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They were Muslim terrorists to white wash it is ludicrous. What is wrong with the truth being put on a plaque? If it was something about christians it would be put in stone with 100 foot tall letters.
Oh really? And how many Oklahoma City memorials say "Christian terrorists"? Call them "terrorists", call them "al-Qaeda terrorists", whatever, but to call them "Muslim terrorists" not only demeans one of the world's largest religious groups, it more importantly gives the terrorists legitimacy as martyrs. They do not deserve to be considered among any religious group.
Is this a memorial for the victims, or for the murderers????
Al Qaeda would love to have "Muslim terrorists" mentioned on this memorial. They would view it as an honor to them, and it would help them sell the idea that we are at war with the Muslims.
They were not Muslims. They did not follow the teaching of the Koran. They were as much Muslim as I am, and I am an atheist. Religious extremists of any kind are not true followers of their religion. They use it as an excuse.
I understand the perspective of the father and that he has his reasons for feeling that the purported religion of the terrorists is an essential piece of information. I can't agree with the logic that the fact that this was a shared trait among all of the terrorists (accepting for the sake of argument that they all considered themselves Muslim). They also were all male, presumably heterosexual, and aged 20-45, etc. By the "common traits" logic, all of these details should be included in the memorial. The only distinction justifying including some of these details and excluding others is the belief that some of the details were the reason for the attack. According to one definition, terrorism is the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or ideological in nature. They committed this act because they were terrorists - and that is how they should be labeled. In considering this, I thought about how I would feel if this were a memorial to a Doctor who performed abortions and who was murdered by people who considered themselves Christians, opposed abortion, and bombed a clinic with the goal of prevention abortions. I don't think it would be appropriate to label them as Christian terrorists or Christian pro-life / anti-abortion terrorists. Terrorists are terrorists, regardless of the justification they give or the claims they make that their goals are rooted in religion.
I know that many will disagree with my perspective on this, and I respect everyone's freedom to maintain their own opinions and to share them openly in public forums. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind - just to give another viewpoint for consideration.
"His son was murdered by Muslim terrorists but we can't put that on a memorial on town property," said Adams, a retired high school history teacher who had James Gadiel as a student. "It's the use of a word that picks on a group of people for the deeds of some."
It would seem to me that the "deeds of SOME people" who are part of "a GROUP of people " , and who are ALL bent on eliminating us , should be carefully delineated as to be accurate. Were those "some" all Muslims? Is the "group" all Muslims? Yes.
That being the case, "muslim terrorists" is accurate, and should be put on the monument.
so... now when a crime is committed in the USA we will tell what religion they are.... better be careful rightwingers..... most of these new signs will say CHRISTIAN..... grow up righties.... someday..... please........ also this thing is blocking NO votes.
the victim of 9/11 and more others are victims of terrorism, you can not specify it as muslim terrosim, bcs if we begin to attach islam or muslim to terrorism we are doing a favor for al kaeda and bin laden. they believe in clash of civilizations and they want us to hate muslims ( I m a shiite muslim and I love america ), they want hatered, war, tragedies, that is what they need to recruit muslims.
more, what would you say of thousands of muslims who died in other countries by terrorist. they are victims too (remember there are hundreds of terrorist attacks in other countries). do these victims too believe that is Islam or muslims should be labled with terrorism.
if we want to fight terrorism, we need to fight their ideas. we should be the ones who control this war, not be enticed by reprisals and labeling.
I guess we need to put a note on memorials to those killed by the KKK that they were Christian Terrorists? The fact that they claimed Christianity did not mean they defined Christian ideals.
It is true that Islam was used to rally people to extreme behavior; but, we have seen the same in all religions or viewpoints. The danger is to allow the blind belief of one group that their religion justifies all their actions to be matched by a similar blindness.
No matter how angry we are, we can not let ourselves become what we condemn in others.
It would most certainlyhelp jihadists to put "Muslim" on the plaque. It could only serve to embolden their efforts by acknowledging an actual "war" between Muslims and Christians, rather than the ideological war it is (between radicals on both sides) I can guarantee that the people who are for putting the phrase on are all Christian or do not understand the Muslim faith. In fact, the Jewish, Muslim and Christian religions all sprouted from the same place, all pray to the same "God," and "radicals" from all sides have been fighting about it ever since (i.e. the Crusades)
People from the Islamic faith are not ALL bent on destroying the west. I am an atheist. I am also an American citizen presently living in Jakarta, Indonesia, the fourth most populous nation in the world, and also the largest moderate Muslim country (90% identify themselves as Muslims) My Muslim friends are like my Christian and Hindu friends, regular people living their lives and practicing their faith privately, all opposed to radicals from either side, wanting the citizens of the world to put aside petty differences in faith and work together. It is interesting that there are more Christians here (6% to 7% of the population) trying to convert people to their faith than anyone else...
If you really study American history, especially from the end of the 19th and beginning of the twentieth century, you will find that America has terrorized other countries and/or their citizens as well: Mexico, Haiti, Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, Philippines, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Egypt, Lebanon (this was, I believe, bin Laden's main reason for becoming a jihad member, where US armed forces killed innocent Muslim women and children in bombings targeting the "enemy'), Iran, Iraq (how do you think Saddam got the plans for WMD's? From the US in the 1980's), Laos, Libya, Cambodia, Indonesia (a million citizens killed with aid from the CIA), and those are just some... If the US likes to spread democracy so much, why have we propped up or installed so many dictators? I believe most US citizens would have opposed it. Terror is terror no matter what you want to call it.
So put up the plaque, just leave Muslim off of it, unless you WANT to identify yourself with terrorists, the ill-informed, and/or religious zealots.
"The historian must have no country." John Quincy Adams
Just a note for those that would like to explain away the tens of thousands of religiously motivated ISLAMIC terror attacks with McVeigh. McVeigh was not acting on scripture, conversely Muslims are. The Quran and Hadith indeed does have prescriptions for violence towards unbelievers, this is just a fact, and Muslims act on them. They aren't crazy, or radical, they are just devout Muslims carrying out the prescriptions of violence as dictated to them through their faith. We presume much to say they misunderstand their own faith. It is in a word, just ridiculous these PC explanations .... just more ridiculous with every passing second.
Admittedly I have not read through all of the posts here. So I don't know if anyone has even brought this point up...
But, why couldn't the memorial just read "Murdered By Terrorists on 9-11-01"?
Does it necessarily have to have the word "muslim" in it?
Just my thoughts on it.
I do not know - so I am asking the question.
What was the terrorist's purpose when they flew into the World Trade Centers? I thought it was a religious reason. I thought they were killing Americans in the name of their Muslim God because they did not agree with our way of life.
Whatever the reason, the reason they bombed us should somehow be memorialized on that plaque so that our posterity does not forget that act of war.
FYI people who are complaining about the religious references - try and look at it this way - we refer to BRITISH SOLDIERS when describing graves where they are buried in our country (yes, during the Revolutionary War).
If the terrorists who flew into the World Trade Center are not MUSLIM SOLDIERS, who are they? They need to be identified on the plaque.
To the people talking about the KKK, just saying the KKK is enough of a description. Get it? There is no need to call them Christian anyway because their actions were not Christian, but if there are plaques involving the KKK, we need to say KKK so we don't forget.
Speaking of the KKK, in CA, that is one combination of letters you won't see on our license plates.
Our license plates are "numbered" as
number three letters 3 numbers such as
6JJJ123
CA has banned KKK in the 3 letter position. There are a few others that have been banned and I can't remember them, but I remembered this one.
wheels
Where did you ever see the term "Christian Terrorists" used on a plaque in this country? The fact is that the terrorists were miniscule in number compared to over a billion Muslims in the world.
Yes, the terrorists are/were Muslim. Should we also change history books to say the concentration camps in Germany were run by Europeans and not Germans? Facts are facts. Now, if you like to do a body count on how many unarmed innocent people have been killed by Muslim terrorists around the world in the past 10 years compared to Christians; the Muslims will win hands down. It's insulting not to mention the terrorists were Muslim; its a fact!
You miss the point. They would ask us the same thing. Take a body count of lives lost by the American military and American foreign policy. There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Even with out nukes they could club us to death. Calling them names and spreading hate toward them is not the way to go.
Bob-Jones: Calling them names? Spreading hate? Excuse me, the Muslim terrorists are doing that all by themselves everytime they detonate a bomb in a market place, school, bus, street corner. Facts are facts; Muslim terrorists flew two airplanes full of innocent people into the World Trade Towers. That can not and should not ever be disputed. If the Muslim community wants to make a difference then they need to pull their heads out of the sand and HELP indentify and prosecute the Muslim terrorists.
Thirsty1964
Of course we should not change the books to say the camps were run by Europeans. The camps were run by the Nazi regime. The German people were powerless to do anything under such a horrible political philosophy.
Why do you people keep referring to Timothy McVay as having done what he did in the name of Christianity?? He didn't do it in the name of religion! The terrorists on 9/11 were Muslim and they did it in the NAME of religion!
i can not votes to yes they are terrorists... this bull. tell me one good thing that muslim have done for any one not a muslim??????????
"Tell me one good thing that muslim [sic] have done for any one not a muslim?"
Lay down the basics of the mathematics we use today, create lovely art work, be early pioneers in architecture, entertain us as actors and singers.
Should the Salem witch memorial in Massachusetts be altered to say, "Murdered by Christians"?
Well Mr. Singh, you must be ill informed about Islamic culture prior to the 20th century, and I sense a bit of native animosity you've taken with you from India.
The Ottoman Empire was instrumental in giving the West modern medical tools, techniques, and modern (as of 1919) technology. The Islamic world has been in such disarray in recent decades because of artificial borders drawn in Southern Asia by the victorious Western nations at the end of WW1.
I can't vote either, but I definately vote no on this for reasons already stated by above responders.
To the gentleman who believes Muslims only help Muslims:
http://www.onenationforall.org/
@henry singh
Obviously you haven't studied history, not to mention the fact (by the looks of it) you haven't studied English either.
So, should the words "Christian Terrorist" be put on a memorial for the Oklahoma City bombing victims?
I would be surprised if it weren't and more surprised if anyone objected.
The OKC bombing had nothing to do with Christianity but with the fact that McVeigh was unhappy with our Government. Stop making it out to be something it wasn't.
Actually, the Oklahoma City memorial dedication reads;
We come here to remember those who were killed, those who survived and those changed forever. May all who leave here know the impact of violence. May this memorial offer comfort, strength, peace, hope and serenity.
The focus of the memorial is to remember the victims - as it should be.
Excellent point RK. To: "The End", The 9/11 attacks had nothing to do with Islam, but rather people who were unhappy with our government. Nobody is really suggesting that we put "christian terrorists" on a memorial.
To think that 9/11 had no relation to Islam is blind. I've said my piece and I'm not going to debate that point here.
With that opinion noted - I think putting the word Muslim is a bit much, and validates the terrorists agenda. But - to NOT put the word terrorist or terrorism on the plaque is another demonstration of Nanny State politics at its finest: Don't annoy or offend anyone, for anything, ever.
The dad has one thing right - this country has such concern for political correctness it's disturbing. Everything is 'spun' not to annoy. Even the term itself is spin.
Political correctness can be translated, by use of a thesaurus to governmental faultlessness.
Excuse me while I go throw up.......
They WERE Muslims....RIGHT??????????
Why not say so! Who do we need to protect?
They were Muslim the way the KKK is Christian.
No Mr McCann the christian faith does not direct you to lie , or kill to gain converts to it, the Qumran does. Please read it and then we will have a conversation. It also direct Muslims not to have associations with Jews and Christians and if they kill another Muslim in war they will be in hell.
Oh yea, Ivonne, there's NOTHING in the bible about god directing christians to kill people! Ha!
And as for converting people by use of violence... ever hear of a little episode called "the crusades"?
Ivonne,
I now expect you to go into your closet. Find all pieces of clothing that you have ever worn. Check the labels. Do any state that the fabric is a blend of some type? If so, you must now be put to death. THAT idiocy is in the bible.
Likewise, have you EVER worked on a sabbath? Has a family member? If so, then ditto. You or they must be put to death. Have you slain and sacrificed an animal for your god? If not... must it be repeated?
Have you sold any of your children into slavery? Why not? It's in your bible.
Read your bible, all of it without cherry picking just what you like, and then let's have a discussion.
Scuba,
Don't confuse the jewish laws with Christian principles. Read a Bible, it looks like you don't even own one.
They were Muslim the way the KKK is Christian
Wrong Mr. McCann
Absolute BS. KKK claims to be something they are not and do so to remain an tax excempt orginization. Their claim to be Christain is aboslute BS. They are not. They as well as the neo nazis of today are Wontonist. Or what they sometimes refer to as Christian Idenititist. Nothing claimed by the KKK to support thier claim to Christianianity can be supported.I can say Im a trunip all I want but it wont make me one. On the other hand the terrorist were Muslim!
WCE,
Yes, the members of the KKK are as christian as any of you, just as the Al Qeada terrorists are Muslim by your own definition. Who are you to say that they (members of the KKK) have not "accepted jesus as their personal savior?" For if they have, they are indeed christian. They can't be denied the "title" of christian just because you say so.
And no, Yetifeo, I did not confuse Jewish law with christian principles. IT'S IN YOUR BIBLE. Oh, it's some of the parts you folks like to skip over all the time. Skipping that is like skipping genesis, right?
Really people, if you're going to quote from the bible all the time in support of your religious beliefs, why do you pick only the convenient verses of scripture? Why do you skip over the ones that make you look stupid? Go ALL IN or go reality.
When an act of violence if memorialized, we don't put 'they were brutally murdered by a christian gunman' or anything of the like. Religion should play no part in the memorial, even if that was their reasoning for doing it. In response to Wheels460, they're right, in a middle eastern country it most likely would be broadcasted if a Christian committed an act of violence. That's not a valid reason for us to do the same though.
No, they leave that to the leftist wingnuts on Newsvine.
I like that screen name. Maybe I should change mine to PistOff4-8 - years that is, with a stupid (REALLY STUPID) repukebican administration that allowed us to be attacked on 9/11 when their "leader" failed to read or act on a Presidential Daily Brief titled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack in the US" a full month before he did.
Ok then you might as well say Christian child molesters and Christian child killers, when talking about the priests and Timothy McVeigh. Give me abreak... They are all non God fearing A**Holes...
Agreed to some extent, however most who commit crimes don't do so in the name of their religion. These men did these acts and proclaimed it as so. Just as many Historical markers across this country mention other battles, crimes etc... and attach the religious or afilliated group. 9-11 was an act of a group not one criminal. Catholics killed millions in the name of religion. Just as some molest children in the name of religion and the news and literary history books have no problem attaching the names of those religious groups AKA Mormon and poligamy fractions. The term and idea of politically correct needs to be banished... call it what it is.
Agreed, sorta. Do YOU honestly believe the murderous idiots that claim to be Muslim really are? Come on now.. There are about 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world and a fraction of a percent are insane and claim to be religious and claim to be true Muslims and they murder innocent people? This is exactly what happens when you are poor and uneducated or are a lost soul. People need to find acceptance somewhere. And when not excepted by normal society, they look elsewhere. Don't confuse radical cultures with religion, no matter what religion it is, or who claims to be religions. Throughout the ages, every religion has killed millions in the name of G*d, and I'm sure the big man isn't happy with any of them. I know a number of good Muslims and would stand by them in a heart beat!
~ peace out
If he had been murdered by a gang, whose particular members were African American, there wouldn't even be a discussion about possibly putting "murdered by a black gang" on the memorial. This should be viewed the same way. It'd be wrong. Put simply "terrorists" or more specifically, "Al Qaeda terrorists." Problem solved, without looking like you're attacking a whole (mostly innocent) group of people.
Gentle Tree is on the right track here. No one is denying that the terrorists were Muslems. However, the real connection is that they were evidently all members of Al Qaeda. Using the term "Al Qaeda terrorists" seems appropriate. That way, those who view the memorial can draw their own conclusions as to where the responsibility for 9/11 lies!
This is not about religion - they just want invaders to get out of their country. Afghanistan was first invaded by Alexander the Great and has had someone in their backyard ever since - more recently the Brits, the Soviets, and now us. We funded the Islamic resistance fighters that let to the Soviets defeat but this created infighting among those same rebel leaders which resulted in the Taliban - and we are still there. And people are still dying. Christianity has a very long and bloody history, so I wouldn't point fingers about religion. Maybe if we got out of other people's homeland, we wouldn't have to worry about terrorists here.
But it still should be a memerial commemorating the victims, without giving any excuse for glorification to the terrorists. Hence, "Muslim" and "Al-Queda" should not be mentoned at all. A-Q would LOVE to see those words set for all time, to commemorate their "victory" and the martyrdom of their "holy warriors". As little mention of the perpetrators should be made, to minimize them as memorable people. History books have the details, the plaque does not need to include such descriptors to give A-Q the satisfaction.
BEBE,
Remember, we weren't anywhere on the ground in the Middle East, we had pulled out of Iraq and were just doing overflights, keeping Saddam from killing other Muslims,when the Muslim Terrorists, attacked the WTC in New York, the Pentagon in Washington, and if the brave people on Flight 93 hadn't fought back....who knows where that would have ended up? The died for their religion as was their intent. It should be marked as such. And I don't proclaim innocent of our history. I find it funny that all the crimes of White Heterosexual males can be paraded across the media in full regal fashion, but heaven forbid (ooops religious reference) that anybody else is pointed out. First Amendment is for everybody, and we should be able to exchange ideas with out shout downs, etc. America needs to remember things as it had happened, not the white wash that is politically correct at the time!!
My brother was killed by Muslim Terrorists on 9/11. He too worked for Cantor Fitzgerald. I am 100% with the father in this case. My father is suffering with cancer now and one of his sons is not there to be by his side, because of Muslim terrorists. I have much anger at those who will lie to the people about Islam. It is not a religion of peace.
You must be honest and look at what these people are doing. It is no coincidence that the attack at Fort Hood was by a Muslim. Read the Koran for goodness sake, it is full of references to killing non-believers and especially Jews. Even the 'moderate islam' is dangerous because it breeds next generation radicals.
The murderers are lying in order to destroy Israel by inventing a 'Palestinian' people. In my lifetime this word has been hijacked by terrorist arabs who are still launching missiles into Israel. They don't want peace with Israel, nor do they want peace with the west. There is no 'peace talk' with those who want to destroy the west for ideological reasons. Being politically correct is a mistake we cannot make because the enemy does not tolerate us, or our religion.
And all of you who hate G-d here, these terrorists are not acting in the name of G-d. G-d sometimes sends us tests, and these terrorists are testing us. We need to deal with them with strength and certainly not show them weakness. There is good which will come out of this darkness and we should hope to be able to witness the new light which will be revealed.
And why is your god the "right" god and theirs is not? Because your bible is 'the word of god" and the Koran is not? Tell me then, why are the first books of your new testament called Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John? Maybe because they were written by MEN called Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John?
Oh wait! That's right. There were men of god. Like Jimmy "Get me a Prostitute Now" Swaggert, James "They Won't Miss a Few Million" Baker, David "It's Barbeque Time" Koresh, and proclaimed by every member of the KKK.
Anyone who proclaims that they worship a benevolent "god" and then has to explain away bad incidents with "god works in mysterious way" or "god is 'testing' us" or "god has a special plan" has basically been brainwashed by religion.
Your brother was killed by Al Qaeda terrorists, who were also Muslim.
There are many more terrorist groups than Al Queda ScubaGolfJim, I hope you are aware. There is Hezbolla, Hamas, The Muslim Brotherhood, Al Aqsa Matryrs Brigade, PLO and many others too evil to even name. What is common about all of these Mr. Jim? They are all fueled by rabid hatred of the non-believer.
I will not argue G-d with someone like you. Free will is the ultimate good which the creator has bestowed on his creations and you will certainly mock him because your religion as taught by your churches is corrupted. You may guess what my belief is but it certainly is not christianity. I believe in One G-d...
Muslim doctrine calls for the establishment of a worldwide caliphate which is ruled by Sharia law. This is the goal of many of these terrorist groups. If you do not open up your eyes to the facts, Mr. Jim, you will be blinded by your own shortsightedness. Hitler did not hide his intentions. As a matter of fact he wrote about them and published them and his goal of annihilation was clear at the beginning. The world sat back and ignored the 'madman' and look what happened. And today we sit as the radical islamic state of Iran is developing nuclear weapons... I hope you are aware of the facts and do not claim ignorance to be your excuse...
first, sorry for your brother, may he rest in piece.
second, we immigrate to America so we have a new life, a new begining.
please do not bring the problems of Israel and Palestine to here, actually that's what terrorist are doing.
if you are interested in defending Israel, go there. do not exponentialy create a catastrophic, apocalyptic image.
in the end we have one earth (as far as I know) and we have to live with each others. if your logic can lead to a conclusion or a solution you are halucinating.
the only way that you fight the terrorist groups that you mentioned is by just creating alternative energy sources, once we are not dependent on oil, all these terrorist groups will be dried up of funding. the real problem is, there is oil money that s trying to transfer to political power.
kill this link and you will end these groups.
"Al Qaeda terrorists." - you're right - problem solved!
For God sake, DON'T OFFEND THEM MUSLIMS. They only killed a small number of AMERICANS compared to the number of their own they kill. What has American turned into? Why are we even talking about this? DO IT!!!!!
We're discussing this because some of use have minds and use them. Hence, there are varying points of view. If you read points made above, you MIGHT learn how including such words works to Al-Queda's advantage.
Hay SH!T for BRAINS. Al-QUEDA is gonna try to kill us (US) no matter what. You on drugs or what. I might learn if ya had a clue. YA DO NOT
Since when does MUSLIM = Sauds from Saudi Arabia -- or are we forgetting where the majority of the 911 attackers came from? When we talk about WWII, we fought Germans but our greatest enemy was NAZI. When we hear "Nazi" or "Hitler", a certain mental picture is flashed. When we say "German" we tend to think of Mercedes Benz, Bayer aspirin and Volkswagens. Did you personally know the 911 attackers? Have coffee with them? Go to lunch? Discuss their political and religious beliefs? If you didn't have that kind of relationship with them, how do you know they were muslims? Muslims as in human beings practicing a religion called Islam. Don't blame the world's religious majority (check your stats) for the actions of a few middle eastern zealots who could have been inspired and motivated by political and socio-economic conditions in their countries.
Thank you for your comments, nonajo. We in America are too quick to stereotype when in actuality we don't learn much about other countries, much less about our own.
Too the watchers of FOX they are Muslim terrorists, to everyone else they are Al Qaeda. Just another example how FOX watchers are living in a fanatsy land.
Not all FOX watchers are living in fantasy land - geez.........
I watch FOX - after I watch MSNBC - then I watch CNN and - geeeeee- then I make my own conclusion..............so therefore, my opinion is just that - MINE!
No, rara, you're living in a fantasy land. Just because you also tune your dial to other stations, makes it no less so. If you use anything at all from Faux News to form an opinion, fantasy land in spades.
Thank you for your opinion..........I respect that.
I stand by MY opinion - It is still a free country!
Too bad you can't agree!
It wont let me vote yes this is ultra BS. i think msn just made the results 50/50 so they wouldn't being showing the real result of probably around 70/30 because hey majority of Americans are not that crazy about Muslims especially Muslim terrorists who murdered so many innocent Americans lives.
And my 'no' vote was not counted either - lose the paranoia. I cannot understand why so many of us aren't happy unless we are pointing the finger at someone else. Hate-filled men did an unspeakable thing, yet we should give them credit on a memorial to the lost? Let go and Let God. Oh, and by the way, He's going to be very upset with those who warp religion, any religion, in His name when it comes time to face Him. We're all praying to the same Higher Power, we just cannot agree on His name.
I don't trust or believe anyone named caleb says. Or any other of what I call "ultra-religious" names. See I have my own mind. I was given a "christian" name by my parents, but I'm sure glad they didn't get to that point of zealotness. If they had, I'd have changed mine long ago, like when I started believing scientific data and saw how ridiculous and hypocritical and hypercritical so many "christians" were.
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Jim, What's your point? I know a couple guys named Caleb, and none are from overly religious families, all are christian.
On the otehr hand, wasn't there a self-appointed religious messianic nut who inspired a large group to mass suicide named Jim? "Jonestown" rings a bell? Maybe we shouldn't listed or trust anyone named Jim.
Deb 382995,
No we are not serving the same God. Some are serving a god of hatred and violence and some are serving a god of love. We must learn to stand or we will fall. If Islam is a peaceful religion then why have we not seen this from them? Why haven't the peaceful spoken out in force and condemned this violence in a more prominent way? It is time for them to prove this; I for one am sick of hearing that they are peaceful. They blow people up left, right and center and then if someone voices this, that person gets attacked. Our country is gone because we have chosen political correctness over common sense. I serve the Lord Jesus Christ by choice; I try to love people and follow Christ's example. I am not perfect, but I wouldn't even wound my enemy, I have followed Christ's example to love them, but we must speak up and show that there is a difference between the righteous and the wicked because the world is so blind that it can no longer see this truth. Not every one who says that they are a Christian is one for real perhaps this is true for Muslims as well. Oh and by the way, Jesus paid the price for our salvation and died and rose again, that is why he is our Lord and Savior.
1.5 billion muslims in the world. millions of muslims in the usa, if we were really commanded to kill non muslims, there would be a significantly larger amount of violence perpetrated by muslims against non muslims than we see. How many muslims in the usa commit violence on non muslims? if there are 5 to 8 million in the usa, you better hope that we are interpreting our religion correctly while types like al qaeda are not.
Cynically ----This is what I do not concern. Americans and those who hate Islam are doing at their own risk. Even without nukes they could club us to death.
Let's see now... are the words "Christian terrorists" inscribed on the Oklahoma City National Memorial at the site of the former Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building?
Why do you people keep referring to Timothy McVay as having done what he did in the name of Christianity?? He didn't do it in the name of religion! The terrorists on 9/11 were Muslim and they did it in the NAME of religion!
We are in the midst of a 40 year surge of Muslim extremism, where terrorists across the world murder innocents in the name of Islam. The violence does not show any signs of dissipating; on the contrary, it is spreading and gaining strength. Why are we so afraid to name it?
After 8 years of failure in the War on Terror you have to ask ??
Calling it a war against Muslims or Evil was flatly wrong & helped to lead to the problems now
Hmmmm. I wonder if that surge is come because someone is always trying to take their land????
Let's just pretend that it didn't happen (what didn't happen?) and stop disparaging the Islamic faith.
Better yet, let's get rid of religion completely, outlaw it, and then we won't have the terrorist attacks in the name of someones obscure god, and people can go back to killing each other for secular reasons.
If there were no religion throughout history, think of all the people that wouldn't have been killed in the name of some god.
Your sarcasm becomes moot when you really consider your statements sir.
Hey, think of all the people that were killed in the name of man. Stalin, anyone? How many millions did he kill in the name of atheism? Or how about the countless lives that have been SAVED by christianity? Or how many atheist charities are out there?
0. Or let me spell it out for you. Z - E - R - O
"We" have been battling muslims and islam for 2,000 years. Now it comes we will not name our historical enemy because we fear to offend them? They continue thier mission to overcome; will we no longer meet the challenge?
See, here's why you and your ilk are idiots. And I'm sorry to have to attack you personally, but people really need to put what you're saying in context.
Fist of all, who is "we". Second, Islam is 1400 years old. If you're so lazy to get even the basics right, just go sit in a corner.
The suicide bombers of 9/11 were Muslim terrorists. Why not call them what they are? While not all Muslims are terrorists, almost all terrorists are Muslim.
Appeasing Hitler did not save the world in 1939. Appeasing Muslims won't save the world now. Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Pakistan, Jordan, Tunisia, Lybia, Algeria, Egypt are all opposed in principal to the United States and the west. The entire middle east regards us and western Europe as the enemy and worshippers of the cross.
I beg your pardon Big Black Dog- since when are all terrorists Muslim??? I'll bet the blacks thought the KKK were terrorists. I'll bet people that live in ghettos with gangs shooting at them think they are terrorists. Anyone that terrorizes another is a terrorist. You show your prejudices. Why don't you read up and figure out why the middle east regards us and the enemy.
Almost all terrorists are Muslims? Have you ever actually opened a book? Start with the Irish Republican Army's more militant members.
They were also all males, should we call them "male muslim terrorists"? I don't think so. It was Al Qaida that funded them and organized this attack, not "Islam", so call them Al Qaida terrorists. Or better yet, "evil black-hearted demons". I don't think demons would object.
My vote wasn't processed - some technical glitch - but I vote "Yes."
If the shoe fits...
I vote no. It's so typical of people since the settling of the US to blame and hate a whoe group of people - The Chinese, Japanese, Native Americans, blacks, Irish - they've all felt this type of prejudice. I'm not responsible for every nut in the United States that does stupid things in the name of Christianity, and I'm not branding a whole nation of Muslim people who had nothing to do with 9/11. We can put that on the memorial and it will be removed in the future - with people wondering what we were thinking of.
Hey BEBE-
they will take it off the monument only if we get as PC as you. It must be strange to be in a world where nobody is responsible for anything, where nobody can be held accountable.
You mention the Chinese. They are spending about 25% of their GNP on their military. Building aircraft carriers. ICBMs. They have the bomb. Whose fault is it going to be when they attack us?
You probably think I'm paranoid, but like the guy said : " A paranoid is simply somebody who has all of the facts. "
Pull your head out of the crystals and incense catalogs and start studying your geopolitics.
Oh Brian,
Did you get that quote from Glenn "Let Me Cry a Little" Beck of Bill "F' IT WE'LL DO IT LIVE" O'Reilly? Seems like a LOGICAL person would say "A paranoid is simply somebody who THINKS he has all of the facts"
Maybe BEBE will get her "head out of the crystals" as soon as you get yours out of your a$$.
If you understood geopolitics, the world pretty much HATED America during Dumbya's BULLYING stage and now we're the MOST respected country again. Take THAT and stick it next to your cheek.