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And the Americans that take up the offer will be called pussies.

No those are Liberals already here.

the us citizens are called pussies

The only problem is 99% of Americans don't have 250,000.

The 99% are not important to republicans.

Maybe we should be selling citizenship here in the USA, so we can turn it over to the money changers who have us in debt. I could only hope it had a very expensive price tag.

US citizenship from visa to naturalization costs over $10-20K. So yes, they are selling citizenship here in the US.

See this clip from an AP article:

The Congressional Continuing Resolution for the USCIS budget for FY 2011 includes $224 million in tax funding, and $2,806 million in expected fees.. (See p. 144 of the DHS 2012 Budget Request.)

Has anyone checked to see if any or all of the Republican candidated for President has applied for or received citizenship/passport from one of these enclaves. They certainly can all afford to buy one.

I'm not sure where you're getting your information from that the IIP was "abused" from, but regardless, the standards for using it now are higher than EB-5 in the US. The IIP requires an investment of $800,000 and a net worth of at least $1.6 million, which is significantly higher than EB-5.

There have been studies done on the impact of EB-5 and the IIP, you can find them with a web search.

They were working on a scheme here in town to get immigration visas for a bunch of Koreans. They planned to build a residential and office tower in town. People in Korea could invest in it. And for their investment in the project, they would get a free condo. The amount they would be investing in the project would be enough to qualify for the investment visa in the US. So basically, they would be buying a condo, and getting a residence visa thrown in.

The whole thing came crashing down because they could not get enough investors for the project.

Most of us are quite happy with our country.We want to prosper,but we also enjoy liberty that others don't get.That could change someday,and the current administration,along with those of the past,have done it's share to destroy liberty as we have known it.NAFTA didn't help,the healthcare bill won't help,and gun conttrol won't help.The laws that are passed today mostly benefit those that want to make money!Lobbyist trying to ruin your country buy Congress off.How can the working man win?You don't,and you won't.If printing a cartoon in a Danish newspaper ticks off Muslims enough to kill,then what will tick them off here?Do we have to bow to them all over the world,or do we get along?Time will tell,but,I have my doubts.

Then why don't you leave now.

Wait, wait, wait...

So you're ready to give $250,000+ of American dollars to another country just so you can leave. You definitely sound like a Republican!

Well, like I'm used to hearing you and your brethren spout:

WELL THEN GET OUT, AND DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN YOUR ASS!

Before you try to bash somebody else, please check your spelling. Now everyone thinks you're an idiot, regardless of what you tried to say.

So you're ready to give $250,000+ of American dollars to another country just so you can leave. You definitely sound like a Republican!

Compared to what? You liberal Democrats STEALING from Americans in outlandish progressive taxes and giving it away to losers for votes?

Lots of us actually are eyeballing other nations for retirement the further left this nation goes. Hell, just look at how many people choose to retire outside Taxachussetts (even John Kerry parked his yacht in Rhode Island to escape asinine taxation of Mass). You liberal neo-Marxist Democrats can "change" this nation into a great Socialist State if you want where over half the populate is dependent and a minority of the populate is the producer (and good luck with that idiocy long term like Greece).

Ultimately, -iIt won't matter to those of us who can think for ourselves and fend for ourselves and make our own decisions in life. You people can ruin your lives, but you're not going to ruin ours. Yes, I'm your typical Republican and I don't give a flying pig what you Democrat liberals think. About anything.

If enough Republicans leave who will pay for your food stamps? obama is gonna run out of OPM pretty soon!

I doubt any of the republicans spouting off here have enough money to leave the country. "if you want where over half"."loosly"

Figured out my taxes the other day. I actually got back $200 more than I paid in total. So my tax rate is negative. How is that possible? I make $75K plus and pay no taxes? Something is wrong with our tax codes when that happens. I would gladly pay if they changed the rules, but I am not going to donate anything that they don't say I owe.

I hated the idea that 47% of the country pay no income tax. And now I find myself in that group.

See ya.....

I moved years ago...

No taxes and the family has universal health care for $1+USD a visit, with NO deductabliles or premiums...

And the best part is you drug users and people with criminal records can not obtain a visa to come here... Ha! Ha!

Enjoy the UTOPIA, that YOU have created...

the Bush family is investing heavily in Paraguay, several Billion dollars of Barbara family fortune (Zapata oil), is being poured into their holdings, which now consist of close to 40 thousand hectors(160 ,000 acres) of land, and buildings, airport and oil fields, the house alone is said to be in the range of 20 million dollars. More and more of rich Americans are preparing to get out of dodge when the sh..t, hits the fan, the rest of us are just going to have to stay put and duke it out.

Saxon, if by "hectors" you meant "hectares" it's about 2.5 acres per hectare so 40,000 hectares would be about 100,000 acres, not 160,000. just saying.

GCooper: On the other hand, I hear that Obama has used stimulus funds to hire thousands of mercenaries, and they are standing by in Cuba to attack and take over the country if he loses the election. Who did I hear it from? Well, I don't remember for sure. Maybe it was the same episode of "Coast to Coast" that you heard your *news* from.

Saxon, do you mind providing facts. Internet conspiracy blogs are not facts. Provide links that evidence the financial transactions.

robbob;123...; easy, just google , bush investments in south America, add to it later with other high ranking and very rich American family's; they are all getting out of the dollar into hard investments in mostly Latin American country's; Brazil is becoming the new financial house of the western world, just do some research, it is out there for anyone interested enough to discover.

Barry Sotero laughs at these passport shenanigans.

Charles,

Lol. What i wrote was not news, is in no way factional as far as the knowledge i have tells me. It was written for the anti-Romney individuals and merely as humor. I'm sorry if it offended you, however i felt better in some way for sharing it with the world :D.

I don't agree with you Mark. There are many small businessmen/women who see the handwriting on the wall (mostly scribed by the current p(resident) in the white house. Constantly under attack by the "leader of the free world " and his lapdog media, anyone who works hard is successful and pays taxes is demonized as the "evil rich" Recent changes in financial laws under Obama result in LESS financial freedom and LESS ability to move money out of the country. This is EXACTLY what dictators do. The socialization of the US has been a coordinated event and involves the schools and the media (all bastions of liberal thought) . If you wonder why the country is going to hell you need look no further than failed classically liberal cities and states and their social programs. The top 30% CANNOT SUPPORT THE BOTTOM 70% financially, and it is UNFAIR for you to expect them to. We should strive for equal opportunity, Obama wants equal results which is NOT impossible (we will ALL be equally poor) Sucessful hard working people who saved and did all the right things are afraid of a whipped up mob who has been baited into thinking that others who have something must be evil...no most of the time they have worked long hours and studied and invested themselves and their capital in a dream (an American Dream) and now when they are successful those who did not work hard or smart, or were lazy stand ready to take what is NOT rightfully theirs. So the successful being intelligent look for a way out. The rich are leaving or are prepared to leave if things get worse. Who will fund Obama's socialist dream then fool.

Yep, and it's gotta chap their robber baron azzes to know that they are donating $250,000 to the Sugar Industry Diversification Foundation .... St. Kitts counterpart to the union retirement fund.

There are many small businessmen/women who see the handwriting on the wall (mostly scribed by the current p(resident) in the white house. Constantly under attack by the "leader of the free world " and his lapdog media, anyone who works hard is successful and pays taxes is demonized as the "evil rich"

This is about as pure BS as I have seen on these boards. The people "constantly under attack" didn't work hard at all for "their" money. it is the people who work hard that are the ones Obama and we "blood-heart liberals" want to see protected.

Mark You mean the biggest robber baron of all, Obama. He will need to hide when he is through stealing us blind.

Stealth- WTF? BLah blah blah. The sky is falling, socialists, dictators. Please back up ANY of your outrageous claims with fact? Tax's are still at lowest in decades!

I love those words "the corporate robber barons" the LIBBIES like to throw up there ! What a bunch of MAROONS !

There is no pacifying executives of multinational corporations or their Wall Street equity partners. You will find that taxation will be just like labor costs, it can't go low enough for their liking.

For any small business owner that believes that multinational corporations (and their Wall Street equity partners) are beating them in Asia manufacturing for any reason than third-world wages ($400-$450/month USD in China):

farm5.static.flickr.com/4125/4986278246_002692db5f_o.jpg

For any small business owner that believes that multinational corporations (and their Wall Street equity partners) are beating them in Asia Information Technology for any reason than third-world wages ($1,250/month USD in India):

payscale.com/research/IN/Employer=Tata_Consultancy_Services%2c_Ltd./Salary

xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=800000&From=inr&To=usd

stealth1, please define socialism for us?

I'd like to know what it means in that lunatic dreamworld you live in.

Now pay attention if possible.

The stock market is up 4500 points since President Obama took office.

Unemployment has dropped to 8.3%.

Captured Taliban tell us that Al Quida is no more because the Obama administration had ALL their leaders including osama killed.

New housing starts are increasing. (YES they are, and pretty much everywhere)

Manufacturing jobs are starting to come back from China.

We are out of an utterly useless and costly war in Iraq.

Most other nations respect US again and no longer believe we've gone insane.

Qaddafi is deposed without US boots on the ground.

GM is the number one car manufacturer in the world again.

Most of the history of this nation is one of Republican Alice in Wonderland voodoo economics virtually destroying US and Democrats cleaning up the mess and getting the nation back on track.

Listen Conservatives you can live your dream without all this bickering. Just south of the border is a shinning example of your economic theories put into practice. In the United States of Mexico there is no EPA, no government assistance, no minimum wage, no forty hour work week, no overtime or sick time, and virtually no government regulations. It's exactly the sort of free market Paradise you want to turn the United States of America into. Go already!!! Make your fortune!!!

If you value the American way of life vote Democrat in November. If you value the Mexican way of life vote RepubliCON. It really is that simple.

You have taken the bait!!!! HOOK, LINE and Sinker!!!!! This country is DOOMED with the debt ODUMA** accumulated by bypassing congress!!! Enjoy it when you are detained unless you take one of the only jobs available as a DETAINER in one of the FEMA camps that have nice concrete rooms!!! 8.3 % is a lie!!! Truth is more like 12.5% when you count those that left the job market...

John Rational: I can't tell if you're a troll, pathologic liar, or on drugs. Maybe all three. But your so called facts are just a bunch of baloney.

Vote Republican to try and stem the flow, and help preserve the Constitution and the American Way of Life. Vote democrap if you like European Socialism or USSR style social structure.

John Unrational Your way of thinking sounds like it has come from the Liberal Media. I have read all of that crap too. If you would use your brain and actually think and use what no liberal uses COMMON SENSE you would see why you look like a fool. I know there is no trying to convince someone that has been brainwashed to think for themselves.

OH WELL!!!!

John Rational stated facts. Fox fed fools don't have any rebuttal.

@Mark-3766900 Oh, the old tired and continually disproven 'robber barron' mythos beig brought up again. You know, the likes of Andrew Carnagie whose family came to the US with absolutely no money. Who by 18 had become a executive in a major rail road. Who risked his entire fortune and then some putting an oft rejected patent into use to create steel via the 'blast furnace' process. Thus dramatically dropping the price of steel. A man who in his life time directly created tens of thousands of jobs and indirectly millions of them. The same evil man who was purchased 7,000 organs for churches, founded Carnagie Mellon University, endowed Carnagie Hall, founded thousdands of small town libraries around the world. The other 'robber barrons' of the past did much the same. Nope the TRUE robber barrons are the Democrats who want to take all your money because they know better what to do with it.

Carnegie was a great man who created jobs...in the US, not China, without looking for government handouts. He was a prolific philanthropist while paying 77% in income taxes the year before he died. Somehow I don't believe you want to create new Carnegies under those ground rules. Where are today's equivalents?

Agreed, Carnegie is . He favored unions much of the time.

..."We... approve of anything you [Henry Frick] do," Carnegie wrote from England in words he would later come to regret. "We are with you to the end." ...Frick (Henry Frick - general manager of the Homestead plant) moved to slash wages... Frick began closing down his open hearth and armor-plate mills, locking out 1,100 men. On June 25th, Frick announced he would no longer negotiate with the union; now he would only deal with workers individually. Leaders of Amalgamated were willing to concede on almost every level -- except on the dissolution of their union. Workers tried to reach the Carnegie who had strongly defended labor's right to unionize...

pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carnegie/peopleevents/pande04.html

Many were not like Carnegie (Henry Frick being one of them). British Parliament activity decades before Carnegie (1830's):

The testimony of Elizabeth Bentley, before the Sadler Committee, in 1831:

What age are you? -- Twenty-three.
What time did you begin to work at a factory?-- When I was six years old.
What kind of mill is it? -- Flax-mill...

britishparliamentarypapers.com/acatalog/Childrens_Employment.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Thomas_Sadler

Yes he does but ignorant republicans are too blinded by hate to see anything but what they want to see. If you actually read REAL news and not that fake crap from Fox you would know that Obama has been one of the most business friendly presidents we have had. Just look at the stock market it you want proof. If he was anti-business it would still be in the tank under 10,000 like Bush took it.

Sandy I see NO hate in you!!! You're a joke.

Oh!! Wait a minute, you are from Missouri (Missory).

Sandy, if you looked for real news and not the *in the tank for Obama* mainstream news, you would know that all your facts are lies and distortions. When the US, under Obama, winds up in the same fix as Greece and the rest of the failing European countries, write again and let us know how it's working out for you.

In the meantime, you might try some counselling to see if you can learn to handle your own hatred and anger issues.

Stealth 1 When you learn to spell we will begin to respect you. Go back for some new "Fox facts".

stealth,you are drinking to much of that fox kool aid,good luck with that.

Sandy: Well, by all means, do "enlighten" the rest of us as to what real news is. I love liberals who will trash Fox at the drop of a hat, but never seem to get around to telling the rest of us where they get their information.

The reason, of course, is obvious: They don't dare open themselves up to the same disdain they know will follow, by actually listing their sources. They don't want to be told their sources are left wing liberal dog s#it. They don't want to have to face themselves what they are so willing to dish out to others.

So c'mon Sandy, put on your big girl (or boy if that happens to be the case) panties and tell the rest of us what "real news" is. And when you do, then I'll be glad to post my opinion of what you think real news is. But as you have probably already discerned, you most likely won't like what you hear.

My guess is you won't have the guts to do it anyway.

"Obama has been one of the most business friendly presidents we have had."

OMG Sandy, you are absolutely insane if you actually believe this! Obama has done everything in his anti-capitalist mission power to destroy American businesses. Unless, as another poster pointed out, your business gives him suitcases of money for his re-election.

The only time obama is business friendly is when gridlock prevents him from screwing things up even more. That's one way to reduce the uncertainty.

Stealth 1, You have to quit smoking that republican medicine and quit listening to fox fake news, most the time there is no cure for your disease.

Not the same at all. Our government isn't smart enough to cash in. If US citizenship could be purchased, there would be about 250 people left in Mexico and the national debt paid off.

d b 2

actually just google EB-5 program... it is just that. It permits other nationals the opportunity to "invest" in US companies and using that as an anchor, they then apply and usually receive their green cards.

The problem with becoming a US permanent resident is that you are by definition resident in the US for tax purposes. As a US citizen you are also subject to US taxation while living abroad, but there are tax credits you can claim like the foreign exclusion limit. LPRs cannot do that, that is why the naturalization form, N-400, asks for copies of your three most recent tax returns.

As for EB-5, there is considerable risk with it, which is why it is not used as commonly as other investor schemes in other countries. If you invest in say, The Bahamas, or Austria or wherever, the money is still yours and you can do pretty much what you please with it, as long as it stays in that country.

EB-5 requires a qualified investment in an investment approved by USCIS - you may receive some sort of benefit from it, such as interest, but you don't have much control over it. You could lose it if the investment goes bad and it's not clear if or when you would get it back. Also you don't get LPR status - you get conditional LPR status and you have to apply after two years to get the conditions removed - which obviously won't happen if the investment goes bad. So it is risky.

In WA state one can get punched out for jay walking by an officer, and hello he gets a slap on the wrist.

chester12 and for some reason unemployment is low in Germany and they have a great standard of living compared to even the US.

Sandy..

And how many years have you lived in Germany? I wouldn't call their standard of living better than nime here in the US..... and I DO have personal experience.

Sandy, I can tell you have never lived in Germany. But you libs just love to tell everyone in the U.S. how great the standard of living is in Europe. Well I have lived there and traveled there for extended periods of time for work. The standard of living in Europe absolutely SUCKS compared to the U.S. You get a tiny amount of square footage (often run-down and certainly not up to US building codes) for an insanely high price. If you think food and fuel are expensive here, you are grossly mistaken because over there it is insanely expensive. Everything costs an arm and a leg. It's far, far, far from that socialist utopia you American libbies think it is.

In Germany, NO ONE goes bankrupt because of health care costs. I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if I got something for them, rather than paying taxes to send drones to kill other people.

And just screw the kids you created, right?

Let's hope someday when you're drooling all over yourself and laying in dirty diapers in a nursing home, those kids of yours will give you the finger, dead beat dad.

They do that all the time in churches in the US.

I'd like to know how you figure? I'm working to help someone get a resident visa now and that option has never been presented anywhere. His lawyer knows nothing of that deal either. Must be a higher dollar amount.

nita... google EB-5 visa

Australia, too, which was not mentioned in the article; you have to invest A$750,000, I think.

But to get residency in the US you still have to submit police records and undergo a complete physical exam. If you have been convicted of certain crimes or are found to have TB or HIV or a number of other communicable diseases, you cannot get a green card.

No, Scandinavian or Finn or German are the best. You can go anywhere in the world (there are places where Americans cannot go, or if you can, you certainly aren't welcome, but no one minds Scandinavians - except for Danes), and you are guaranteed free or incredibly cheap excellent health care and wonderful social services.

There we go with that FREE bull@!$%# again.

I didn't think L.A. was a small town.

alwell... you are indeed very lucky.

And in truth, as you were physically born here, the citizenship of your mother is irrelevant. You became a citizen by birth.

Lucky you, alwell! I had a friend who had three citizenships - he was born in Australia of parents who were from two different countries!

And XDm, I may be wrong, but I believe I have been told that if the parents are in the US through a diplomatic mission, a baby born in the US cannot get citizenship by right of jus soli. One of the few exceptions to the place of birth rule. So alwell did get his US citizenship through his American mom....

I don't believe that these people are moving " US-source income" around. They can change the apparent source of their income overnight. Anyone who is able to pay for this 'banking' service can do the same.

No, Steven, the US is not the only country taxing its citizens overseas. Canada taxes its citizens on worldwide income, without even an overseas income exclusion (which is why I don't understand their objection to the US taxing its citizens in Canada). My husband (non-Canadian and non-American) and I (US citizen) lived and worked in Canada for two years, and we had to report ALL income (including interest in our investments) from anywhere to Revenue Canada (their IRS).

At least the US has a foreign earned income exclusion of $95,100, which Canada doesn't. I lived in Japan a number of years ago, and my Canadian friend had to pay taxes on her $40,000 income that she earned in Japan while I had to report, but had no tax bill.

First of all, it is dual, not duel.

There are very legitimate reasons for dual citizenship:

1. Your parents from two different countries and so you consider yourself to be of two countries,

2. You marry someone from another country and want to be able to live freely live with that person without giving up the citizenship of your birth,

or

3. You have immigrated and established residence in one country, and are working there, but you wish to retire to the country of your birth; or you have aged parents and other family members back in your country of origin and want to move freely back and forth there. If you don't keep your native citizenship, it can be hard to get back there (i.e., it can be very time-consuming and expensive to get a tourist visa to go to the US, so an American who marries a foreigner and moves to that country might want to keep his/her citizenship so that s/he can get back into the US easily).

People have real lives and real families, and there are many people who move to other countries for work and many international marriages. If you make a blanket law banning dual citizenship, it can makes thing very difficult for people. My husband is from a non-dual citizenship country, it has made things unnecessarily very hard and complicated for us.

LOL! You're funny Mike!

No, Mike, you have to live in the US for 14 years before you can get citizenship (unless you are the spouse of a US resident, then the residency time is only 3 years). And you have to prove that you had your primary residence here. And as a legal resident alien, you have to file an income tax return, same as a citizen. And prove it when you apply for citizenship. Plus China does not accept dual citizenship; if the Chinese government finds that they have US citizenship, it will be a big problem (those rich Chinese moms having kids in the US and returning to China are not thinking this all the way through).

And the biometrics required now are not just a thumbprint.

When people who have green cards are gone from the US for over six months, even thought they by law must return only before a year is up, they get hassled by the border people. I know from personal experience.

So a passport is not just a "few years" away when you get a green card.

A few years ago while in Europe I was in Paris at a cafe and I saw some kids with canadian flags on their backpacks and but they sounded like they were from NJ. I asked them what part of Canada they were from and they said, no, we're not Canadians, we're Americans but they hassle us less if they see the maple leaf flag. What a shame!