I just can't decide if this is a funny story with a tragic ending or a tragic story with a funny ending! Now that this is over both sides can peacefully go back to committing crimes. WOW, what a country we have, right?
Oh hi, i broke into your place to barrow an iron so i can press my shirt. I have a job interview in a bit and wanted my shirt to look nice. Oh you have one? Thank you so much..wait, what are you doing?..OH GAWD! NOOOOOOOOO..
KSAZ said the funeral was for a 20-year-old man, Moses Taylor, who was killed last month after allegedly breaking into an apartment. The TV station said he was hit in the face with a clothes iron by a man who lived there.
Moses would have wanted that fight. Right "BRooooAH"
While I do a great job with an iron, give me a cast iron skillet any day!
Careful there, phinephancy, don't give the anti-freedom of self defense liberals any ideas about taking my 80+ year old family heirloom cast iron skillet away.
I once thought I might retire in Arizona... Ive changed my mind... Too many crazies living and running the place...
Now that I know that a liberal wacko like Terry-Ca isn't planning on moving to Arizona. My wife and can again make arrangements to relocate there! Glendale, AZ!!!! Golf, Sun, Spring Training and fewer libbies that have ruined California and Colorado....woohoo!
I really can't say much. I was ready to beat the hell out of my friend's mother at his funeral. She was the one that got him hooked on cocaine at 13, and kicked him out when he got too out of control. Being that he had basically nothing, he ended up killing himself. It took someone basically shoving a a cut up xanax down my throat to keep from placing my hands around her neck. Her other son, who she also got hooked on drugs, just got sentenced 25-life. She never took responsibility for what she did to her children, and from what I hear from my dearly departed friend's cousins, she still is doing drugs, drinking heavily, and is still playing the victim. Even her family says that she belongs in the ground, or in prison, not her sons.
I can just picture this guy ironing his pants, smoking a cigarette and talking to his mother on the phone. Then he says hold on one second Ma, he walks over to the window and bashes the head poking through. Then goes back to ironing and says Ma I told you don't call a plumber I'm coming over.
fenderbluesjr, I have to agree with you about Irish wakes.... The article said no one was injured... Punks wouldn't stand a chance at an Irish celebration of a passing.. Everything that everyone ever had against or for that person or his family comes out and the row is on.. Many times the women start it. Either way there are always injuries.
Perhaps it would be best to research the supposed B & E story first from other sources before making judgement that the deceased got what he deserved etc.
From another news source it states that the 20 y/o man wearing only a shirt and boxers was breaking into the apartment through a bedroom window waking up the 29 y/o man inside who yelled this to the man, woman and child who occupied the other bedroom. They escaped through a window.
During the struggle with the 'intruder' the man hit the 'intruder' in the head with a clothes iron. The 'intruder' was taken to the hospital where he later died.
The report did not state whether the intruder had a weapon.
Question, why not escape through the window of the other bedroom like the other residents did, why stay and confront the intruder in the first place?
Is a clothes iron the only weapon that the man could find to defend himself?
The story sounds ....odd... hmm
It was also reported that the police believe that the intruder was under the influence of drugs, although they did not state that they came to that conclusion based on the results of an autopsy or a drug test.
The police also stated that they believe that the apartment resident was acting in self defense...... but that they are investigating it because there was a homicide.
Why did the apartment dweller who hit the guy with a clothes iron attend the funeral in the first place? Did he know the intruder? Why go to the funeral of a person who broke into your home? Was the window panes broken or was the window pried open? If the window glass was broken, did it fall inside the room? Why was the intruder wearing only a shirt and boxers at 2.30 in the morning?
Yet again nothing was mentioned about the intruder having a weapon......
1 intruder wearing only a shirt and boxers versus 2 adult males, 1 adult female and a child..... hmmm.... odd...
Questions upon questions upon questions and the other person involved who could give his side of the story is dead....
Hope there is actually a thorough investigation.... not holding breath for that though.
In another article, a former soldier who had served 2 tours of duty in Iraq or was it Afghanistan or both.... anyway this former soldier was killed by the police swat team who fired 70 bullets 60 of which hit the intended target and bullets also hit the neighbor's home.
The vet was left unattended for an hour where apparently he bleed to death, as the EMTs were not allowed into the house to attend to the injured man, apparently because the swat guys were trying to secure the house......
Who knew it would take an hour to search a house? Perhaps it was as larger the shopping mall where Gifford was shot and at that site it took only 12 minutes to secure that place and provide medical help......
None of the police officers involved in the shooting were put on suspension or desk duty pending the results of the shooting....
It was originally stated by the police that the soldier had poimted his weapon and had fired at them first, yet upon inspection of the soldier's weapon the safety was found to be still on.
It seems that they are also mounting a smear campaign on the dead soldier, who had no record of illegal acts and who was honorably discharged from the Service and was apparently working more than 1 jobs saving to buy another house. Now a young woman and child is now left without a husband and father.
Arizona seem to be a strange and frightening place to live...especially if you are a minority.
wow. so the victums of the break in should just leave and let hime robb them? is that their responsibility? i am glad i am not a pathetic weakling like you.
BZe1, I believe you are focusing on the moot points and missing the main points. 1) The intruder who died was BREAKING INTO THEIR HOME. It doesn't matter who he was or why he was breaking in. And 2) The Swat team, from your other ramblings, in any police department does not just randomly show up for no reason at someone's house. It does not matter WHO this man was, he clearly instigated a hostile situation. There is no conspiracy, like it or not, in either story. Both of these men are still at fault, no matter the outcome. The end.
Anyway, I am not at all surprised at the conduct at this man's funeral. He died breaking into someone's house, and clearly had the same kind of upstanding citizens for family and friends. Criminally minded people lack common sense.
All people are entitled to dignity, without exception. Not all people are entitled to be free in society. Even those we punish are entitled to dignity in their punishment, including those we kill. If we removed a person's fundamental entitlement to dignity based on what they do, no one would ever be entitled to any dignity after the age of about 3 and we would live in a world where no one gets treated like a human being should be.
The most profound and moving statement that I have ever read in more than a decade---I wish THIS Jim had written it.Your opinion is clearly in the minority in a society and world that is so cocksure that a return to middle-ages morality is the solution to all problems.Forgive the stupid...they get the ultimate 'pass' (they are stupid).
Comommy, There are those who state the intruder deserved to die and deserved no respect blah blah blah.
As the intruder is dead, his side of the incident will never be known as he cannot speak up for himself or give his side of what occurred.
If I heard someone breaking into my home I would be calling the police while looking for something to defend myself if I could not exit the property or find somewhere to hide etc. But then I live in a multistory house... so exiting through a bedroom window would not be an option unless I was on one of the lower floors. LOL
But if someone was crazy enough to climb up to the bedroom window, I would be decking or shoving the person back out the window before he could get inside.
Anyhoo, it must not have been one of these energy efficient windows because those are difficult to break through unless one has a glass cutter, it would still be awfully loud the banging on the glass to break it. Unless the window was already open trying to release the latch which is on the inside of the window would be difficult too.
All this breaking in would be loud and take a while to do, especially seeing that the apartment dweller was awake and shouting to the other occupants of the apartment. No mention is made of the intruder having a weapon or being used to theaten the apartment dweller.
Like I noted before, before a rush to judgement about whether the 'intruder' should die or not, more info is needed imo. Like did the intruder know the apartment dweller? What was the relationship between the intruder and the apartment dweller? Why was the intruder dressed only in a shirt and boxers at 2.30 in the morning? Was the window open a crack? Was the intruder really high on drugs? Why go to the funeral of someone you supposedly do not know and who broke into your house? Is there more to this issue than meets the eye? All these questions and then some would have to be answered before making a decison about the guy being an intruder. What if this was a domestic issue?
A homicide occurred, because the guy died from his head injury. The question has to be answered whether this was self defense, manslaughter or murder.
That is why one should not rush to judgement until all the evidence is collected and after a thorough examination a decision is made. It is not for the police to indicate that the person was high on drugs without a drug report, or that it is self defense when the investigation is not done or complete imo.
But then I tend to look at both side of an issue then come to a decision. I do not just listen to a 'talking head' and simply accept his/her point of view. As they say there is alway 2 sides to a story etc....
When you BREAK INTO SOMEONE'S HOUSE then you deserve EVERYTHING that happens to you. You are asking to get the @!$%# beat out of you by the homeowner or hit with an iron and YES EVEN KILLED. So shut your pie hole and stop allowing criminals to get away with whatever they want. You do the crime then you pay for it.
We don't need to look at both sides of the story to come to the conclusion that: THE STUPID CRIMINAL DECIDED TO BREAK THE LAW and TOOK A CHANCE OF BEING KILLED BECAUSE HE'S AN IDIOT. A law abiding citizen has the legal right to protect himself and his home if he fears his life is in danger and I'm sure in a struggle with this CRIMINAL he did what he had to do to protect his own life. It comes down to KILL OR BE KILLED. If this happened to your wife, daughter, or son would you tell them to hit the guy lightly??? C'mon.........................
BZe1 - go back and read the story - it says NOTHING about the resident that killed this fool being at the funeral. Embelishing on stories about which you have no direct information about truely is a representation of the general public that are ignorant and believes everything they read.
Comommy, one other thing... regarding the vet being killed by the swat team, why not look up the various news reports from various sources on same before coming to a trite decison that the vet was in the wrong?
Hope that was brief enough.....
PS. Wonder how the commentator at CNN feels about his tweet now? Seems like brevity can cause misunderstanding and loss of employment.
A fight broke out during a funeral at a Phoenix church after a friend of the departed punched a man who had reportedly been fighting with the deceased before he died.
One could say that the last person the deceased had a fight with was the apartment dweller who hit him in the head with a clothes iron.....
It the deceased had gotten into another fight with someone else that should have been noted in the article.
Brevity is not all that it is cracked up to be.... and can lead to misunderstanding.
If the guy punched at the funeral was not the apartment dweller whose house the deceased broke into, then......so sorry...
BZe1 ur para #3 if someone was breaking into ur house, u called police, ur looking for something to defend yourself , u couldnt exit ur property or find a place to hide(what a punta) and all u found was an iron what do u do? hit him w/the iron or just say im worried about hurting u please leave, he was in a place he was not invited,what does how he was dressed ,if he was high or even if he knew thr guy have anything to do w/it,,another bleeding heart,geez give us a break
bze1 you commented on the fight being with someone who was fighting with the deceased previously.....how would a friend know what the home owner looked like unless he was there as well. i hate to have to say this but i hope someone breaks into your house and your neighbors watch you get raped and killed because the criminal has right. do the whole world a favor and jump off a bridge.
Jb et al.. I do not have a problem with someone defending him or herself to the best of their ability at all.
There was an article last year where a senior citizen heard a noise in her basement and went down to investigate and was killed by the intruder. There have been reports of home invasions too. That was not the first time this sort of thing had happened either.
So yes, protect yourself at all cost. If someone is going to be injured or die I am going to make certain that it is not me. A bat, poker, broom, flashlight whatever is handy will be used to defend myself, even if the intruder has a gun, and even then if I know I am going to get killed anyway I am going to try to do some sort of damage to the person on my way out. :)
But it is hard to agree with those folks who every time you hear about a situation like this or any other they talk about killing the person and even seem to be glorifying the killing of the other person or that the person should die, as if killing is no big deal and as if killing solves the problem.
I have relatives and friends who have been in the armed services and have been to war, and others who are police officers.
A lot of folks where I live are city, county, state police officers, military and various other services.. If your house alarm goes off you get a visit from the police..LOL
Anyway, having seen too many folks injured or dead from all sort of violence and the effects on the ones/family left behind gives me pause. It is like enough already.
it is hard to agree with those folks who every time you hear about a situation like this or any other they talk about killing the person and even seem to be glorifying the killing of the other person or that the person should die, as if killing is no big deal and as if killing solves the problem.
The crash roused him from his sleep. Someone was trying to come into the window. He shook off the remnants of drowsiness that still clung to his consciousness like a web of fine spider silk and shouted to his companions: "Flee! An intruder is upon us! Flee and make haste!"
The abrupt announcement, called out in the still of the desert night, shocked them to waking. They proceeded with all diligence to escape the small room they inhabited, while our hero stalked out into the hall-- to buy them time to exit through the fire escape.
He moved softly through the hall, a dark silhouette in the shadowy room. There before him, eyes wild and white, his mouth agape, stood The Intruder. His legs and feet were bare and he left bloody prints wherever he strode; broken glass from the window lay scattered across the floor. Gathering light from the bright moon, the shards glimmered dimly as the open window sucked the cool, refrigerated air out into the heat of the Arizona night.
The Intruder moved erratically. Some psychotic, perhaps. A threat to all who called this space home. Our hero knew he had to act swiftly to protect his family, his home. Swiftly, he advanced into the room and drew upon his weapon, his Excalibur: a vintage Black & Decker Steam Iron. It's considerable heft felt comfortable to his hand. He prepared his offense.
"Avast ye Intruder!" He announced. "En guarde!"
The mighty Iron swept through the air in a wide arc crashing into The Intruder's face with the energy of a locomotive. The Intruder jabbered something incomprehensible and flailed madly with his arms, clawing and striking at our hero! Again the Black & Decker struck, this time a glancing blow to The Intruder's shoulder. He crumpled to the ground, demanding crack and welfare favors. Our hero gave him none.
"Nay, sir. No quarter shall be given unto thee, an Intruder!"
The Black & Decker Steam Iron fell once more upon the defeated man, a mischief-maker of ill-repute known for violence and theft. The Intruder fell to the ground, his head cracked like a fallen cask of ale, adding his vital head-blood to the prints from his lacerated lower-extremities. He lay there, sucking his last drug-tainted gasps of air as our hero phoned the sheriff.
WMG, I really enjoyed your account. You paint quite the picture. LOL
Regarding the glorifying killing thing etc, I have seem quite a few postings on other message boards where the writer even state what calibre pistol they would use to blow the person/offender away etc. That was what I was referring to, and not someone in actuality protecting life and limb from harm because they must.
In those posts I often ask how many people do keep their gun and bullets in the same place, or a loaded gun where they can get it quickly -not locked up-, especially if there are children in the house.
The guy used what was at hand and hit the other guy in the head with the clothes iron.
BZe1, allow me to clarify: nowhere did I say that these people "deserved to die." I was simply stating that no matter the outcome, they instigated the events and were the ones at fault. No one else is to blame just because they ended up dying. Regardless of the reason, people that place themselves in risky situations such as these need to recognize the fact that they are placing themselves in harm's way. Those who begin the hostile actions are the ones who have the ability to stop and think things through first. Those on the receiving end of the same actions do not have that luxury.
BZe1, I'm sorry, I forgot to say something else. I read about the vet who was killed. So, I must correct and retract my former statement since the SWAT team was there for a drug raid and not in response to him personally. However, he still instigated the hostile action when he decided to pick up a gun and aim it at them. Police are trained to open fire when the intent of a person is to cause them harm and kill them, which can be clearly discerned in this instance. It should be common knowledge that if you don't want to die, you should not aim a gun at a police officer.
Comommy....Where was it stated that swat identified themselves as such? If the police was in the right why did they wait an hour before allowing EMS to attend to the vet?
Does it really take an hour to secure a small house?
Why state the vet shot first, when it was not true? When the safety was still on his weapon?
I suppose if someone was breaking down your door in the wee hours of the morning waking you from your sleep, and you do not know who it was, you would not arm yourself.... even with a clothes iron....
It is like the case in England that started the rioting... where the man that was shot was reported to have had a gun and had shot at a police officer which turned out to not be true, as it was later learned that the bullet came from a police issued weapon...
BZe1, they stated that the vet didn't shoot first, just that he grabbed his gun and aimed it at police. In case you didn't know, that implies major intent to cause harm and the police have the right to open fire at that point. Anyway I'm not sure if you continued to follow the story all the way through, but the video of the raid and shooting was released that showed the police blaring their sirens and pounding on the door announcing themselves before they kicked it in, so I don't see why you say they failed to identify themselves. Just because the wife SAID they didn't doesn't make it so. Anyway they exited the house right away after that, it was never secured, which is why he laid there for over an hour. They sent in a remote controlled robot to secure the scene because they did not know if other hostile persons were in the house. You may criticize the precautions and safety practices of policemen but it is necessary action, still no conspiracy.
And I'm not really sure what you were trying to say when you stated: "I suppose if someone was breaking down your door in the wee hours of the morning waking you from your sleep, and you do not know who it was, you would not arm yourself.... even with a clothes iron...." Are you now defending the owner of the house who hit the man that died, or saying he shouldn't have grabbed an iron, or what? Your wording is confusing. But, I absolutely would arm myself, with whatever I could find, as someone would be BREAKING INTO MY HOUSE and I have two children.
As I stated, the only ones to blame are the ones who instigated the hostile actions... It's not that they deserved to die, it's just that they are the ones at fault and it so happens that their deaths were a result of their bad choices.
Gotta go with Allison on this one, but Arkansas is definitely a close second. I went to funeral in Prescott and the police were called because the deceased's daughter got all drunk and out of control. Puts the fun in funeral.
What's funny is the Arizona Republic has a column called The Buzz that lists all the strange and weird things that happen. They post things from everywhere but....Arizona. If they would accept how whacked out that state is they'd have to cancel the column.
We never would have heard about this Ironing if it wasn't for the fight at the fun'eral, had it been a shooting it would have made national news, and then we would have footage of the fight as well, this is as good as the thief that broke into a New York apt and got mauled to death by a Lion, oops wrong window! well sorry can't cry over this one, why doesn't the media give us more stories like this one? and who was that Iron Man. I guess he ironed out his differences whith the intruder very well. Iron Man I like it.
Lived in AZ for 4.5 years. Believe me when I tell you it was the happiest day of my life when I drove out of that hell hole! AREA 51 is NOT in New Mexico as you have all been led to believe ... it's right in the center of a slum town called Yuma.
Arizona is the best thing to ever have happened to Florida...
Is it a coincidence that both states have beautiful weather with a steady influx of people from around the country and around the world moving to either of these locales??? Do us all a favor...STAY HOME!!! Watch how fast crime rates and "strange" articles dissipate with other states becoming the new "star" in the Weird News section.
At the end of the day, we're all still Americans. Imagine that!!!
Every day there is some crazy story of some idiot getting himself whacked or whacking someone for no apparent reason.
Like the guy yesterday who drove from Port Orange to Deerfield Beach, drove into an RV park and shot a total stranger in the chest and head, then forced his family into the mans RV, holding his girlfriend hostage. She escaped when he turned on his family and himself with a steak knife.
In the end, 4 dead, including the man who started it. His wife and one son survive, but barely.
He drove 200 miles and attacked a complete stranger.
Crazy....
Oh, and he was Hispanic, not that this is important.
"Arizona is the best thing to ever have happened to Florida..."
I live in Arizona, and love it; but I got to admit that was a good one. It's like we used to say back East: The only reason New Jersey exists is to give New York something to feel superior to.
I don't care who you are, that there's funny. Lord, I apologize
collectively these responses have got to be the greatest & funniest ive seen on here in ages,the only problem w/it is the same nuts who want to ban guns will start a new lobby to ban irons
Killed with an iron...my sympathy for the family, but I busted out laughing when I read the whole story...irons don't kill people, people kill people...we MUST ban clothes irons...the only question is if steam was involved and if it was plugged in at the time...could be considered a loaded weapon...
Hey Chi town you know if that happened in Chicago the rainbow colalition would be demanding that all irons get registard with the authoritys, and don't forget the required background check!
Yuck, Yuck, Yuck! Seeing as how this happened in Arizona I am surprised that there wasn't a shootout? Where were the CWP holders? Or the felons packing heat? I suppose out of respect for the deceased (as if he deserved any) they left their guns at home. This was a funeral fit for Westboro Baptist.
And how do 30 people get into a brawl with no injuries? This whole story seems concocted like something from The Onion.
LMAO Chi-Town. I'm shocked no anti-gun rights whiny liberal has chimed in yet with an opinion.
Rumor has it the Obama administration will be flooding the market with irons targeted at illegal Mexicans so they can clamp down on iron owing rights and the stores that sell them. It will be called "Operation Slow And Starch."
As a liberal in good standing, I think we should strengthen iron possession laws throughout the country! The fees raised from this effort can help the government print more food stamps.
We need to sue all the clothes iron manufacturers for the carnage their implements are used in all these crimes of passion. Let's pass some legislation and name it The "Moses" Bill outlawing any clothes iron that holds more than 6 ounces of water or that can be concealed inside your pants. We need to demand the immediate registration of all clothes irons. Join the mother organization Clothes Iron International or Clothes Iron Control... lol. I can just hear Dirty Harry ask a criminal... "Well punk! You have to ask yourself. Did I iron 5 shirts or six? Well?... do you feel you're lucky PUNK!".
Thats it! I'm keeping my iron on the bed stand, and you can bet it will be pluged in, hot and ready. if you want my iron you will have to pry it from my cold dead hand.
An iron doesn't kill groups of people, or at a distance of hundreds of feet or randomly or in drive bys or ends up as weapon of choice for right wing racists who register Republican. But lacking any logic, the National Murder and Criminal Association resorts to silly jokes and comments, only funny to the toothless and potbellied.
@dano marinmom is just up set over the cross dressing issue in the public schools she is worried she will have to by her son a new wardrobe, and the other kids might laugh at him if he wears pants.
Hey Mr. Beck hack...Fast and the Furious was started by none other than...."Meester Buch". You righties are hilarious!!
Here's what Reagan would do.....he actually tightened gun laws in California when he was gov. there. That's what happens when the Black Panthers started buying guns to "protect" themselves and Mr. Whitey got a little scared.
Fast forward 2012....Mr Brown is buying guns and weapons, thanks in large part to Mr. Whitey's children, and their insatiable need to medicate themselves, and if you all keep spouting off all of your racist spit, some of them may see thier way over to you to give you a chance to act on all of your tough talk.
I see the childish right wingers are out calling names today. No surprise there!
Haha-- you act as though you have some superior moral authority when in your own post you call an entire demographic of Americans "childish" -- so much for taking the higher ground. Liberal hypocrisy "No surprise there!"
@SKVAM
An iron doesn't kill groups of people, or at a distance of hundreds of feet or randomly or in drive bys or ends up as weapon of choice for right wing racists who register Republican. But lacking any logic, the National Murder and Criminal Association resorts to silly jokes and comments, only funny to the toothless and potbellied.
Wow, take a chill-pill, killjoy.
The manner of death is humorous for a number of reasons. 1) justice was served and the bad guy got whacked. 2) the implement used to take him out was a household appliance. 3) his funeral was a continuation of the idiocy that ruled (and ended) his life.
Judging by the fact that you suggest--no, scratch that-- state plainly that firearms are the hallmark of racist republicans, with no mention at all of the seething masses of left-wing gang-bangers who rely on liberal handouts from the nanny state to fund their crack addiction, clearly paints you as a bigot of another stripe with the blinders strapped so firmly to your head that the blood supply to your brain has been compromised. Congratulations! You get a multiple choice:
I am placing you on "ignore" because: A) You have no sense of humor B) You denigrate the toothless and pot-bellied C) You're a partisan hack incapable of independent thought D) All of the above
Please submit your answer to someone who gives a damn.
@everyone else (with special mention to Chi-Town Vet) who can take and make a joke: you all made my day. Thanks for the smiles!
Great post! (Rubs belly, raises beer can in salute, spits through his tooth, fires off a round through the living room ceiling, returns to watching the race on 85 inch screen, then tells his wife, "Hey, cous', go fetch this man a beer! He's earned it!")
Well duh, they are the family and friends of this douchebag:
KSAZ said the funeral was for a 20-year-old man, Moses Taylor, who was killed last month after allegedly breaking into an apartment. The TV station said he was hit in the face with a clothes iron by a man who lived there.
You expect class from the friends and family of such a lowlife? He didn't turn out that way by being surrounded by wonderful people you know.
Something is a little bit odd about the story. How does one hit another with a clothes iron in the face? What, Moses did not see it coming and did not think to duck?
If it was a clothes iron, the other person wielding the iron had to be in close proximity to the guy that was hit. Was it 1 hit or several? Could see broken facial bones but killed by a hit in the face?
The 20 y/o must not have been very fit or agile....
Probably was a domestic issue that got out of hand, story made up to cover manslaughter. The guy is dead anyway , thus can't give his side of the story...thus who is to say that the B & E story is even true etc.
The report state that the another man at the funeral punched the person (iron wielder)who the deceased was 'fighting with' before he died.
Why was the person who wielded the iron at the funeral anyway? Seems like he knew the deceased.
Anyhoo, it seems that the 'B&E' matter was still under investigation if the reporter etc is using word like 'allegedly', as it shows that the b &e story has not been proved to be the case ...yet
Well that funeral is not one anyone who attended the funeral will ever forget any time soon.
Moses seem to have gotten quite the send off on his way to the promised land .....
Your better off to kill a intruder then to mame him, otherwise he can sew you! just kill them and be done with it. and one hit with a Iron should do it but give um 4 or 5 extra hits to make sure. and its best to use the pointy end. its more efficient if you have two irons.
(A)by the results we can assume he failed to duck(B)he was close enough to hit him w/an iron(C)who cares if the guy was out of shape bottom line he got clocked (should have said ironed)(D) it doesnt matter what the issue was he broke in where he shouldnt be theres no coverup here just the facts(E)maybe they knew each other and the guy felt remorse who knows(F) can u say for sure hes going to the promised land?some would ? that
i agree w/Dbuck-2239568,someone breaks into my home their going out in a bodybag,not giving some 2 bit lawyer a chance to get him off because he had an unhappy childrhood
Southpaw, I thought capital punishment was the appropriate punishment for burglary in places like Iran and Syria, not the US. The comments here are disgusting and show nothing but a total lack of regard for human life. You are as bad, if not worse, than the people at this funeral.
Ummmm, self defense and capital punishment are not the same thing by any means. That said, if anyone breaks into my home and threatens me, I will make them pay the same price this moron did. You got a problem with that?
Good call joemike, bacause I'm sure when he came through the door he announced his presence with "Hey folks, I'm just here to take some stuff, and I don't mean anyone any harm."
This isn't about what that young man deserved. It's about the conduct of the people there.
They should have maintained dignity for the sake of the young man's living relatives. How do you think the mother, father or others feel about it. They didn't ask for any of it, but yet during their time of closure and grief, a bunch of idiots start a brawl.
Wow, such casual attitudes about the taking of a human life. There may be more to this story, like the fact that police reported the deceased was wearing only a t-shirt and boxer shorts when he entered that apartment through the window.
His family claims he was banging on doors seeking help after having been beaten and robbed. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe he was just high as a kite, somehow lost his clothes and was looking for a place to warm up. Clearly something was amiss, because even in sunny Phoenix, it's way too cold at 3 a.m. on a January day to be outdoors in your underwear. It's hard to imagine that his intent was simply theft -- what kind of burglar, high or sober, would decide to do that in his underwear on a freezing cold night?
It's tragic that a young man was killed over this. It's even more tragic that so many of my fellow citizens think he got what he deserved.
Southpaw, I thought capital punishment was the appropriate punishment for burglary in places like Iran and Syria, not the US. The comments here are disgusting and show nothing but a total lack of regard for human life. You are as bad, if not worse, than the people at this funeral.
Hey joe, liberals like you are what is all wrong with America. You people don't like the fact that Americans have the RIGHT to self defense in their OWN HOME. You people just want us all to depend on the government and 911. What is the homeowner to do while on the phone with 911 when the perp is IN his home? Tell the punk to sit on the couch until the cops arrive? What idiocy.
Sorry pal, but the real world doesn't work like that. There really are bad people out there that want to KILL you. Thank God we have officials who still believe in the right to defend ourselves with lethal force if necessary. Now go back, crawl under your covers, and wet your bed little man.
And your comments comparing these comments to Iran or Syria are about as anti-American as it gets. Own it.
Somehow I feel that this LL's father (if present at all) or mother care much about him anyway. And have you ever seen a NYC housing project elevator or a stairwell?
azdad---
You are absolutely right when you say there may be more to the story. He may have been going door to door (or window to window) begging for pants. Or he may have been on a mission to obtain more money for his drug of choice by whatever means necessary. The homeowner may have hit him with an iron because that was all available. The homeowner's wife may have handed him the iron she was using to iron clothes for the baby that was playing on the floor nearby. Personally, I will believe that the homeowner, who was there, reacted appropriately despite what the criminal's (yes, the minute he came into the house uninvited, he became a criminal) family, who wasn't there, says in his defense. That is, until somebody presents me with facts that suggest otherwise.
DanSok101 Only in pictures, but that has nothing to do with it. How you feel has nothing to do with it either.
We can act like animals, or choose to not act on impulse alone.
Really, what was that person thinking? "There's that guy my dead friend was fighting. I better punch him out in honor of my friend." Oh yeah! That is real freaking intelligent. If he had even a sliver of brains, or self restraint, he would have waited till after the funeral.
Do a little research. This is the same person who a couple years ago pointed a BB gun at the cops and got shot. His mother got on tv and yelled they shouldn't have shot him. Looks like there is more but its all sealed in juvenile records
JoeMikes problem is the idea of private property "rights" and the one of right of self-defense. He's from a more "enlightened" group of our citizens who see themselves as "citizens of the "world" where the rights they enjoy are "granted" as privileges by government that can and do arbitrarily withdrawn them as easily as they were dispensed upon it's citizens like the Feds or the United Nations and NOT bestowed by their Creator on His Creation as so eloquently stated in our Founding Documents and thus inalienable. Quick JoeMike... scurry to your master and lick his hand that cares for you from cradle to grave. Or at least that's what he wants you to believe... lol.
Mom didn't do a very good job did she, theysay he had a rap sheet as thick as a book! well this was bound to happen, the guy just wasn't quit right in the head, well his troubles are over. its possible that allot of people may rest easier now that they don't have to worry about what this person will do next, face it Moses was Trouble. for you liberals just think of it as an abortion, just 20 years late. that should make it OK.
20 years old, 3AM, wearing nothing but underwear, breaking into someone Else's house, why would you have a problem with this, personally I don't see any other course of action, and when the toxicology report comes back you will probably see he was on crack. there is a difference between having a life and just existing. what would you do if you woke up at 3AM and found someone rummaging around your house dressed in underwear? I don't think you will waste any time before you react when you think this may be your final moment. in a life or death situation you better act fast without hesitation or your dead. Moses found out the hard way that you can't just do whatever you want there are consequences. just because you want to do something doesn't make it right. don't blame Iron Man blame the system for allowing these crazies to run loose. there were lots of warning signs.
D Buck I agree, this guy wasn't quite right in the head. If he broke into my house at 3 a.m. in his underwear, I would protect my family as this guy did. If a clothing iron were the only available weapon, I'm certain I would hit him with it to stop him. The key words in that sentence are "stop him." Would I intentionally try to kill him? No. Did "iron man" intend to kill him? Perhaps we'll never know, but I'd like to think he did not.
Justifiable? Absolutely. Most desirable outcome? I think not. Whatever people might think of the dead man and his rap sheet, addictions or mental health issues, he was not the only victim. "Iron man" killed a man with a clothing iron blow to the face, and he has to live with that for the rest of his life.
I drove past 2 funeral homes on my way home from work each day many years ago. I saw the police called at home home due to what seemed to be a fracas. At another some guy with several kids in his SUV wrecklessly cut me off as if he was heading for a violent confrontation. I'm willing to bet that statistics would show higher rates of traffic accidents around funeral homes even though it would seem the opposite is true. It would probably be better to find another route home from work.
I'be been watching 'Spartacus.' That's what we need-a big cage where this ilk of people can squeeze in, as many as will fit, and pummel and kill each other to their heart's content. Hey, it would keep them off the streets.
Really mentally sick and deranged people do that to their kids, but it's an isolated incident. There's the difference. The behavior described in this story is not an isolated incident.
All the kid-touching catholic priests aren't white? Domestic terrorists who blow up buildings like Timothy McVeigh with kids in it? Yeah I call that a pattern. Maybe they can't help it. Maybe it's just flawed DNA.
Really........ you seem to have forgotten or you are just too uneducated to know what somalians and other africant tribes with machetes and knives do to their elderly and young...pffft.disgusting.....watched first48 last night......4 black thugs lit up a house with ak's and handguns and murdered a 2 y.o. boy and his mother in their sleep,for nothing.......yeah ,real civilized.
The truth is awe-inspiring. Go to the US DOJ website. Look up Infantcide, filter by race. (shame I have to teach you how to research something a 9 y.o. could have found out.)
Results: 77.6% whites
Thats right. More than all the other races combined.
First 48.... bwahaha. My source trumps yours. Try again.
Been there a few times and up at cave creek I saw 2 armed guys fight it out with fist only. Not the yahoo gunslingers the libs like to portray you all as. I have been looking at Payson and Flag Staff as maybe a place to retire.
I believe they try to iron out their trouble, instead. Pressing issues can up the fracas component. However, letting off steam without firearms is a definite plus.
The consequences of such actions could be a little stiff.
You obviously are refering to the Gabby Giffords case in which one of her obsessed fans felt she slighted him do to his excessive failed attempts to contact her. This is fact and Lauffner was not a right winger, but a looney left winger who felt he deserved attention from her and when he didn't get it he decided to punish her. Much like the obamacare stipulation where you will be punished if you reject his health care plan.
black has nothing to do with it. stupid people comes in all colors. did a white man just not kill his 2 boys and himself by blowing his whole house up. nothing to do because he was white he was just selfish and stupid. stop with all the hate.
I do not see GINZO's statement as one of hate, as much as i do reality, and characteristics of the breed, mostly violence and hatred for anyother race.
The country people I know are lovely - help you in a minute. It would be better said, "you can take the boy out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the boy".
I don't base my opinions on what I see on a tv show. Good Grief!
I don't believe I know of any Irish throwing grenades at any funerals I have attended. Sigh......
The topic is over a fight at a funeral..
We know that you believe all whites are pedophiles and kill their children. Now we also know that you believe most/all Irish throw grenades at funerals, and that you base your opinions from what you watch on a tv show called "To Catch a Predator".
meanest one Whats the matter? you sad ovet the death of another gang banging black punk that are on the news everyday killing eachother and filling the jails, re-producing with no plans of having a family. Facts hurt? Where in this country has an irishman thrown a grenade at a funeral, tell me that story...
All of you "tough guys" with your little White man complex about blacks.
You can come out to AZ, places like Apache Junction, Downtown Phx, Maricopa and see your "Cowboy" superior race. Meth junkies, pedophile trailer nations, and toothless wonders living off of the Goverment all the while complainin' bout "Obamanation".
10 to 1 says old Moses was parting some "Barbie"'s red sea while her boyfriend was watching MMA or Nascar or "fixin" up his Camaro!
Demographic characteristics of child molesters: 77.6% white
(source: us doj)
The fact thats out of all cases of infanticide Whites commit more acts than all the other races COMBINED!
(souce: us doj)
@Reaganwannabe
Whats the matter? Are you sad over that another wannbe cowboy, budweiser guzzling, tin-foil ladden pointed white hat wearing, calling your sister mama, sick-o parent didn't beat the case like Casey Anthony?
@ Not so mean one...the you tube vid you sent was from Northern Ireland, a long way from the US. The English/Irish troubles have since ceased pretty much about 15 years ago. You have a computer so use it to find facts. Secondly, I'm from Boston, not a redneck or a Hillbilly that cares about NASCAR which you sterotype about...Why are you always talking about pedophiles? This story is about a braindead moolie, looking for crack money that got smoked with an iron.
@poncho...You're probably right...maybe he was tapping someone's wife or girlfriend which makes an even more of a descent guy...Seems to me that most moolies only care about busting their nut and making fatherless babies as opposed to getting educated, getting a job, starting a family like the hillbillies in the rest of the country do.
Need I mention the shooting and killing by the HA motorcycle gang. Yeah, a lot of fine upstanding citiznes there. Or do you not consider HA bikers white?
@poncho...You're probably right...maybe he was tapping someone's wife or girlfriend which makes an even more of a descent guy...Seems to me that most moolies only care about busting their nut and making fatherless babies as opposed to getting educated, getting a job, starting a family like the hillbillies in the rest of the country do.
Not much in-breeding going on up here in Massachusetts Moolie Boy....Wow the hells angels now how? what happened to the video from 3000 miles away you sent earlier? You give up on that one? HA are mostly white i guess, what about Your common street gang though? Mostly moolies...
At over 250,000 active members, I would say the ALL WHITE criminal organizations of New York far outnumber and are far more dangerous than any street gang.
No go tell your mama-sister what you learned today.
At least i know who my daddy is Moolie Boy and Your Momma smokes crack and buys fried chicken with food stamps. I'm not looking at Your YouTube Vids anymore...You already had Your chance and @!$%#ed it up by sending stuff from Ireland and saying it happened here in America. I didnt open your vid but if you are saying that a motorcycle gang outnumbers Crypts, Bloods, and all that bull@!$%# than you really are high.
So Chim-Chim, what you're saying is that there are more mafia members in NYC than all inner city thugs combined across the nation? You really are thick-skulled. Secondly, never tried meth but I'll take your word that it's pretty good and cheap to make like the moolie drug of choice-crack, it's Funny that you know what website may have pedophiles... maybe a site you checked out. I really think You are a homo now. Lastly, the thing in N. Irealand you keep talking about was an act of terrorism during a time of war, not a bunch of moolies in the inner city killing eachother. Later Chim Chim
Is the new moniker really nessesary? I think you were doing better by just referring to me by the "N" word. It shows everyone else what your true colors are. It makes it a lot easier to spot your ilk.
You may frequent sites such as NAMBLA and Stormfront but you should check out dailystrength.org It may help you with your misguided hatred. You should be mad at your pappy-uncle-brother or whatever you call youselves these days. I'll opt for Tea Party member.
Stormfront? Dude never heard of it. If it is a pedophile site then it's all on you. I've heard of NAMBLA on the news but it sounds like you have them all down. Are you mad i called called you a homo? You are one messed up dude. Call me a racist if you want, but your posts to other bloggeers go on calling ALL white people pedophiles and terrorist because 1 incident in Oklahoma, you need to look in the mirror. Stop calling tea kettle black. Nothing wrong with the Tea Party either not wanting to support welfare sucking scumbags of any color for the rest of their lives.
Why would I be mad at you accusing me of being homosexual? Was that suppose to be an insult? You don't even know me, let alone my sexual orientation. Know a bigot like yourself getting upset I would understand. Thats all you bigots have going, hate and anger.
I never said all white people. Show me which one of my post said all. I specifically said 77.6% of pedophiles are white. This is not a stereotype, it is not a made up fox news "fact". It is a statistic, provided by the US DOJ. If you read into that and see all then maybe its because of your environment.
You've used deragatory names to refer to different groups of people , so yes you're a racist.
So if you would like to continue to play the stereotype game thats fine, as I have tons of ammunition as your comments alone give me plenty of fodder. ENGUARD LE DOUCHBAG!!!
Now I'm sorry if I brought up repressed agression in you because your mommy hurt you but you are an adult now and they have support groups to help you.
Big Al....let me break into your house in the middle of the night while you are sleeping and see how real you will keep it....if you break into my house while I am home, you can best believe you will be leaving in a body bag.
I hope that the Iron was not damaged in this story. If so the bill should be sent to who ever raised this Young Man. He was probably looking for an entitlement
Ron,you're right, irish people like to drink but they work for a living and do not rob eachother's houses...they may rob a bank or two in Boston, but ususally don't commit home invasions, we leave that to the blacks. Pog Mo Thoin!
No self-respecting Irishman that I know would cause a fracous at a funeral in the first place..it would interfere with the drinkin'!
If one did start, it would not be with weapons - it would be a good old-fashioned Irish fistfight.......while the rest watched, took bets, and finished their drinkin'.
If someone pulled a weapon, the others would take it from him - probably his older sister - tell him to finish the fight like a man with his fists, then continue drinkin'. His relatives would lay into him later for embarrassing them by trying to cheat in a fistfight.
If one did start, it would not be with weapons - it would be a good old-fashioned Irish fistfight.......while the rest watched, took bets, and finished their drinkin'
You must have missed the video when the hairy apes were throwing grenades at each other during a funeral. Bwahaha.
Well, once Ron read the article and saw the name was "Moses", that disqualified the possibility of it involving any Irish if you know what I mean... (hint: the Irish tend not to name their kids 'Moses')
Thats funny, a moolie calling a white guy a hairy ape. By the way the people tossing those grenades were English, not Irish. Get it straight Crack Smoking Thick-Skulled Eggplant
Well being those of your kind typically have more body hair, it does show which race has evolved further from the fully haired ape.
The director of a New York treatment center, Dr. Arnold M. Washton, among many others, said there were more crack addicts among white middle-class people than any other segment of the population, ''despite all the poor black crack addicts you see on TV and Page One.''
Sorry whites are ahead in this catagory too.
Now go back to your cave blowing pictures of your hand on the wall.
Dude, @!$%#s look like apes, monkeys and gorillas, sorry to break it to you. From now on i'll call You Chim-Chim. Another thing Chim Chim, there are 5 times as many whites than there are blacks (thank Christ) so any time you say more whites do this more than any other race I am not listening because your information is wrong.
and Oscar- you're right about being right is all right -it is what it is...
ok chim chim, go hang out with Michael Jackson, a well known black pedophile...i will enjoy my budweiser, enjoy your colt 45 in a 40oz and cheap ass wine. sorry things turn out better for you chim-chim, then again i'm not sorry monkey boy, later Nig
Just remembered MJ is dead, killed by another m***e. I told You that n*****s keep killing eachother....I love it....Later again N**.
Wow. You must be snorting your meth now. Your mom-sister really needs to start setting limits for you. Now, we know your type loves killing it's indicitive in your flawed DNA and you can't help it (a testament to your un-evolved full body fur). You know who else loved it? Hitler.
Dignity for a thief who broke into someones house and got punched in the face with a clothes iron...I don't think so.
Thought your bible says not to judge....oh well, that's religion for ya
Institutional Church? Another tax-free haven.
What in the hell has this have to do with this story you stupid troll. Get a fricken life !
Now on a side note, ole Moses decided to live a life of crime and paid a heavy price, his life, end of story. I love happy endings.
Big surprise that a thug criminal comes from a family of thugs. No class.
I hope they ironed out all of their differences in the end. Ohhhhhhhhh.... Hey, I'll be here all week, folks!
Way too much starch! Now he's too stiff.
The full story only came out after witnesses were pressed by the investigators.
A police spokesperson says there was a laundry list of other crimes the decedent may have been involved in.
And the story doesn't say if it was a shooting iron.
Seems there were a few wrinkles in Moses' B&E plans.
I just can't decide if this is a funny story with a tragic ending or a tragic story with a funny ending! Now that this is over both sides can peacefully go back to committing crimes. WOW, what a country we have, right?
Oh hi, i broke into your place to barrow an iron so i can press my shirt. I have a job interview in a bit and wanted my shirt to look nice. Oh you have one? Thank you so much..wait, what are you doing?..OH GAWD! NOOOOOOOOO..
Personally I would say "this was an IRON clad case of the end justifying the means".
While I do a great job with an iron, give me a cast iron skillet any day!
Never go to a "clothes iron fight" armed with only your face!
Moses would have wanted that fight. Right "BRooooAH"
Hopefully this can be "IRONED" out.
Maybe they can "IRON OUT" their difference's.
@denverbill2 "Seems there were a few wrinkles in Moses' B&E plans."
I think they have been "ironed" out!
Make that "allegedly" hit in the face with a clothes iron............
Careful there, phinephancy, don't give the anti-freedom of self defense liberals any ideas about taking my 80+ year old family heirloom cast iron skillet away.
I once thought I might retire in Arizona... Ive changed my mind... Too many crazies living and running the place...
I love a DRT (Dead Right There) story!
That guy put the FU in funeral for sure.
You just can't fix stupid losers!!!
I've been to some pretty intense Irish wakes. This seems mild by comparison.
It's true. A lot of emotions come out at funerals and weddings. Sometimes it doesn't feel real unless a fight breaks out at least once.
Was it a 9 iron or a wedge? A black guy gets it in the face with an iron....where was Elin Nordegren when all this went down?
Now that I know that a liberal wacko like Terry-Ca isn't planning on moving to Arizona. My wife and can again make arrangements to relocate there! Glendale, AZ!!!! Golf, Sun, Spring Training and fewer libbies that have ruined California and Colorado....woohoo!
Yeah, crazies. Most of them came over from Cali.
I really can't say much. I was ready to beat the hell out of my friend's mother at his funeral. She was the one that got him hooked on cocaine at 13, and kicked him out when he got too out of control. Being that he had basically nothing, he ended up killing himself. It took someone basically shoving a a cut up xanax down my throat to keep from placing my hands around her neck. Her other son, who she also got hooked on drugs, just got sentenced 25-life. She never took responsibility for what she did to her children, and from what I hear from my dearly departed friend's cousins, she still is doing drugs, drinking heavily, and is still playing the victim. Even her family says that she belongs in the ground, or in prison, not her sons.
These thugs do not even know what dignity is. Nothing but a bunch of young punks. That is all. Faced smashed in during a burglary. To bad.
(Insert name here) Irons... they take a beating and keep on heating.
I find this whole story to be ironic
He really died of anemia---not enough iron.
No starch at all needed he's plenty stiff about now.
I can just picture this guy ironing his pants, smoking a cigarette and talking to his mother on the phone. Then he says hold on one second Ma, he walks over to the window and bashes the head poking through. Then goes back to ironing and says Ma I told you don't call a plumber I'm coming over.
fenderbluesjr, I have to agree with you about Irish wakes.... The article said no one was injured... Punks wouldn't stand a chance at an Irish celebration of a passing.. Everything that everyone ever had against or for that person or his family comes out and the row is on.. Many times the women start it. Either way there are always injuries.
Perhaps it would be best to research the supposed B & E story first from other sources before making judgement that the deceased got what he deserved etc.
From another news source it states that the 20 y/o man wearing only a shirt and boxers was breaking into the apartment through a bedroom window waking up the 29 y/o man inside who yelled this to the man, woman and child who occupied the other bedroom. They escaped through a window.
During the struggle with the 'intruder' the man hit the 'intruder' in the head with a clothes iron. The 'intruder' was taken to the hospital where he later died.
The report did not state whether the intruder had a weapon.
Question, why not escape through the window of the other bedroom like the other residents did, why stay and confront the intruder in the first place?
Is a clothes iron the only weapon that the man could find to defend himself?
The story sounds ....odd... hmm
It was also reported that the police believe that the intruder was under the influence of drugs, although they did not state that they came to that conclusion based on the results of an autopsy or a drug test.
The police also stated that they believe that the apartment resident was acting in self defense...... but that they are investigating it because there was a homicide.
Why did the apartment dweller who hit the guy with a clothes iron attend the funeral in the first place? Did he know the intruder? Why go to the funeral of a person who broke into your home? Was the window panes broken or was the window pried open? If the window glass was broken, did it fall inside the room? Why was the intruder wearing only a shirt and boxers at 2.30 in the morning?
Yet again nothing was mentioned about the intruder having a weapon......
1 intruder wearing only a shirt and boxers versus 2 adult males, 1 adult female and a child..... hmmm.... odd...
Questions upon questions upon questions and the other person involved who could give his side of the story is dead....
Hope there is actually a thorough investigation.... not holding breath for that though.
In another article, a former soldier who had served 2 tours of duty in Iraq or was it Afghanistan or both.... anyway this former soldier was killed by the police swat team who fired 70 bullets 60 of which hit the intended target and bullets also hit the neighbor's home.
The vet was left unattended for an hour where apparently he bleed to death, as the EMTs were not allowed into the house to attend to the injured man, apparently because the swat guys were trying to secure the house......
Who knew it would take an hour to search a house? Perhaps it was as larger the shopping mall where Gifford was shot and at that site it took only 12 minutes to secure that place and provide medical help......
None of the police officers involved in the shooting were put on suspension or desk duty pending the results of the shooting....
It was originally stated by the police that the soldier had poimted his weapon and had fired at them first, yet upon inspection of the soldier's weapon the safety was found to be still on.
It seems that they are also mounting a smear campaign on the dead soldier, who had no record of illegal acts and who was honorably discharged from the Service and was apparently working more than 1 jobs saving to buy another house. Now a young woman and child is now left without a husband and father.
Arizona seem to be a strange and frightening place to live...especially if you are a minority.
BZe1, a clip for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4SJ0xR2_bQ
wow. so the victums of the break in should just leave and let hime robb them? is that their responsibility? i am glad i am not a pathetic weakling like you.
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BZe1, I believe you are focusing on the moot points and missing the main points. 1) The intruder who died was BREAKING INTO THEIR HOME. It doesn't matter who he was or why he was breaking in. And 2) The Swat team, from your other ramblings, in any police department does not just randomly show up for no reason at someone's house. It does not matter WHO this man was, he clearly instigated a hostile situation. There is no conspiracy, like it or not, in either story. Both of these men are still at fault, no matter the outcome. The end.
Anyway, I am not at all surprised at the conduct at this man's funeral. He died breaking into someone's house, and clearly had the same kind of upstanding citizens for family and friends. Criminally minded people lack common sense.
All people are entitled to dignity, without exception. Not all people are entitled to be free in society. Even those we punish are entitled to dignity in their punishment, including those we kill. If we removed a person's fundamental entitlement to dignity based on what they do, no one would ever be entitled to any dignity after the age of about 3 and we would live in a world where no one gets treated like a human being should be.
The most profound and moving statement that I have ever read in more than a decade---I wish THIS Jim had written it.Your opinion is clearly in the minority in a society and world that is so cocksure that a return to middle-ages morality is the solution to all problems.Forgive the stupid...they get the ultimate 'pass' (they are stupid).
Thank You jim-4120631
Comommy, There are those who state the intruder deserved to die and deserved no respect blah blah blah.
As the intruder is dead, his side of the incident will never be known as he cannot speak up for himself or give his side of what occurred.
If I heard someone breaking into my home I would be calling the police while looking for something to defend myself if I could not exit the property or find somewhere to hide etc. But then I live in a multistory house... so exiting through a bedroom window would not be an option unless I was on one of the lower floors. LOL
But if someone was crazy enough to climb up to the bedroom window, I would be decking or shoving the person back out the window before he could get inside.
Anyhoo, it must not have been one of these energy efficient windows because those are difficult to break through unless one has a glass cutter, it would still be awfully loud the banging on the glass to break it. Unless the window was already open trying to release the latch which is on the inside of the window would be difficult too.
All this breaking in would be loud and take a while to do, especially seeing that the apartment dweller was awake and shouting to the other occupants of the apartment. No mention is made of the intruder having a weapon or being used to theaten the apartment dweller.
Like I noted before, before a rush to judgement about whether the 'intruder' should die or not, more info is needed imo. Like did the intruder know the apartment dweller? What was the relationship between the intruder and the apartment dweller? Why was the intruder dressed only in a shirt and boxers at 2.30 in the morning? Was the window open a crack? Was the intruder really high on drugs? Why go to the funeral of someone you supposedly do not know and who broke into your house? Is there more to this issue than meets the eye? All these questions and then some would have to be answered before making a decison about the guy being an intruder. What if this was a domestic issue?
A homicide occurred, because the guy died from his head injury. The question has to be answered whether this was self defense, manslaughter or murder.
That is why one should not rush to judgement until all the evidence is collected and after a thorough examination a decision is made. It is not for the police to indicate that the person was high on drugs without a drug report, or that it is self defense when the investigation is not done or complete imo.
But then I tend to look at both side of an issue then come to a decision. I do not just listen to a 'talking head' and simply accept his/her point of view. As they say there is alway 2 sides to a story etc....
permit me to correct your statement: "Arizona seems a strange and frightening place to live ....because of all the minorities"
@ BZe1,
When you BREAK INTO SOMEONE'S HOUSE then you deserve EVERYTHING that happens to you. You are asking to get the @!$%# beat out of you by the homeowner or hit with an iron and YES EVEN KILLED. So shut your pie hole and stop allowing criminals to get away with whatever they want. You do the crime then you pay for it.
The corpse had to be mortified. Bet this is the last time HE'll ever have these sum-bitches to any funeral of his making.
ooohhhh the irony...
@ BZe1,
We don't need to look at both sides of the story to come to the conclusion that: THE STUPID CRIMINAL DECIDED TO BREAK THE LAW and TOOK A CHANCE OF BEING KILLED BECAUSE HE'S AN IDIOT. A law abiding citizen has the legal right to protect himself and his home if he fears his life is in danger and I'm sure in a struggle with this CRIMINAL he did what he had to do to protect his own life. It comes down to KILL OR BE KILLED. If this happened to your wife, daughter, or son would you tell them to hit the guy lightly??? C'mon.........................
BZe1 - go back and read the story - it says NOTHING about the resident that killed this fool being at the funeral. Embelishing on stories about which you have no direct information about truely is a representation of the general public that are ignorant and believes everything they read.
Comommy, one other thing... regarding the vet being killed by the swat team, why not look up the various news reports from various sources on same before coming to a trite decison that the vet was in the wrong?
Hope that was brief enough.....
PS. Wonder how the commentator at CNN feels about his tweet now? Seems like brevity can cause misunderstanding and loss of employment.
Peace....
One could say that the last person the deceased had a fight with was the apartment dweller who hit him in the head with a clothes iron.....
It the deceased had gotten into another fight with someone else that should have been noted in the article.
Brevity is not all that it is cracked up to be.... and can lead to misunderstanding.
If the guy punched at the funeral was not the apartment dweller whose house the deceased broke into, then......so sorry...
BZe1 ur para #3 if someone was breaking into ur house, u called police, ur looking for something to defend yourself , u couldnt exit ur property or find a place to hide(what a punta) and all u found was an iron what do u do? hit him w/the iron or just say im worried about hurting u please leave, he was in a place he was not invited,what does how he was dressed ,if he was high or even if he knew thr guy have anything to do w/it,,another bleeding heart,geez give us a break
Sure gives a new crease to breaking & entering...
bze1 you commented on the fight being with someone who was fighting with the deceased previously.....how would a friend know what the home owner looked like unless he was there as well. i hate to have to say this but i hope someone breaks into your house and your neighbors watch you get raped and killed because the criminal has right. do the whole world a favor and jump off a bridge.
Jb et al.. I do not have a problem with someone defending him or herself to the best of their ability at all.
There was an article last year where a senior citizen heard a noise in her basement and went down to investigate and was killed by the intruder. There have been reports of home invasions too. That was not the first time this sort of thing had happened either.
So yes, protect yourself at all cost. If someone is going to be injured or die I am going to make certain that it is not me. A bat, poker, broom, flashlight whatever is handy will be used to defend myself, even if the intruder has a gun, and even then if I know I am going to get killed anyway I am going to try to do some sort of damage to the person on my way out. :)
But it is hard to agree with those folks who every time you hear about a situation like this or any other they talk about killing the person and even seem to be glorifying the killing of the other person or that the person should die, as if killing is no big deal and as if killing solves the problem.
I have relatives and friends who have been in the armed services and have been to war, and others who are police officers.
A lot of folks where I live are city, county, state police officers, military and various other services.. If your house alarm goes off you get a visit from the police..LOL
Anyway, having seen too many folks injured or dead from all sort of violence and the effects on the ones/family left behind gives me pause. It is like enough already.
Peace.....
One nice thing about living in Nevada is if someone is breaking into your home you get to choose which type of iron you get to use on them.
The crash roused him from his sleep. Someone was trying to come into the window. He shook off the remnants of drowsiness that still clung to his consciousness like a web of fine spider silk and shouted to his companions: "Flee! An intruder is upon us! Flee and make haste!"
The abrupt announcement, called out in the still of the desert night, shocked them to waking. They proceeded with all diligence to escape the small room they inhabited, while our hero stalked out into the hall-- to buy them time to exit through the fire escape.
He moved softly through the hall, a dark silhouette in the shadowy room. There before him, eyes wild and white, his mouth agape, stood The Intruder. His legs and feet were bare and he left bloody prints wherever he strode; broken glass from the window lay scattered across the floor. Gathering light from the bright moon, the shards glimmered dimly as the open window sucked the cool, refrigerated air out into the heat of the Arizona night.
The Intruder moved erratically. Some psychotic, perhaps. A threat to all who called this space home. Our hero knew he had to act swiftly to protect his family, his home. Swiftly, he advanced into the room and drew upon his weapon, his Excalibur: a vintage Black & Decker Steam Iron. It's considerable heft felt comfortable to his hand. He prepared his offense.
"Avast ye Intruder!" He announced. "En guarde!"
The mighty Iron swept through the air in a wide arc crashing into The Intruder's face with the energy of a locomotive. The Intruder jabbered something incomprehensible and flailed madly with his arms, clawing and striking at our hero! Again the Black & Decker struck, this time a glancing blow to The Intruder's shoulder. He crumpled to the ground, demanding crack and welfare favors. Our hero gave him none.
"Nay, sir. No quarter shall be given unto thee, an Intruder!"
The Black & Decker Steam Iron fell once more upon the defeated man, a mischief-maker of ill-repute known for violence and theft. The Intruder fell to the ground, his head cracked like a fallen cask of ale, adding his vital head-blood to the prints from his lacerated lower-extremities. He lay there, sucking his last drug-tainted gasps of air as our hero phoned the sheriff.
The end.
(How's that for glorifying?)
WMG, I really enjoyed your account. You paint quite the picture. LOL
Regarding the glorifying killing thing etc, I have seem quite a few postings on other message boards where the writer even state what calibre pistol they would use to blow the person/offender away etc. That was what I was referring to, and not someone in actuality protecting life and limb from harm because they must.
In those posts I often ask how many people do keep their gun and bullets in the same place, or a loaded gun where they can get it quickly -not locked up-, especially if there are children in the house.
The guy used what was at hand and hit the other guy in the head with the clothes iron.
Anyhoo, that was a fun read... and re-read... lol
Peace....
BZe1, allow me to clarify: nowhere did I say that these people "deserved to die." I was simply stating that no matter the outcome, they instigated the events and were the ones at fault. No one else is to blame just because they ended up dying. Regardless of the reason, people that place themselves in risky situations such as these need to recognize the fact that they are placing themselves in harm's way. Those who begin the hostile actions are the ones who have the ability to stop and think things through first. Those on the receiving end of the same actions do not have that luxury.
BZe1, I'm sorry, I forgot to say something else. I read about the vet who was killed. So, I must correct and retract my former statement since the SWAT team was there for a drug raid and not in response to him personally. However, he still instigated the hostile action when he decided to pick up a gun and aim it at them. Police are trained to open fire when the intent of a person is to cause them harm and kill them, which can be clearly discerned in this instance. It should be common knowledge that if you don't want to die, you should not aim a gun at a police officer.
Comommy....Where was it stated that swat identified themselves as such? If the police was in the right why did they wait an hour before allowing EMS to attend to the vet?
Does it really take an hour to secure a small house?
Why state the vet shot first, when it was not true? When the safety was still on his weapon?
I suppose if someone was breaking down your door in the wee hours of the morning waking you from your sleep, and you do not know who it was, you would not arm yourself.... even with a clothes iron....
It is like the case in England that started the rioting... where the man that was shot was reported to have had a gun and had shot at a police officer which turned out to not be true, as it was later learned that the bullet came from a police issued weapon...
Peace.... respect..... sanity
BZe1, they stated that the vet didn't shoot first, just that he grabbed his gun and aimed it at police. In case you didn't know, that implies major intent to cause harm and the police have the right to open fire at that point. Anyway I'm not sure if you continued to follow the story all the way through, but the video of the raid and shooting was released that showed the police blaring their sirens and pounding on the door announcing themselves before they kicked it in, so I don't see why you say they failed to identify themselves. Just because the wife SAID they didn't doesn't make it so. Anyway they exited the house right away after that, it was never secured, which is why he laid there for over an hour. They sent in a remote controlled robot to secure the scene because they did not know if other hostile persons were in the house. You may criticize the precautions and safety practices of policemen but it is necessary action, still no conspiracy.
And I'm not really sure what you were trying to say when you stated: "I suppose if someone was breaking down your door in the wee hours of the morning waking you from your sleep, and you do not know who it was, you would not arm yourself.... even with a clothes iron...." Are you now defending the owner of the house who hit the man that died, or saying he shouldn't have grabbed an iron, or what? Your wording is confusing. But, I absolutely would arm myself, with whatever I could find, as someone would be BREAKING INTO MY HOUSE and I have two children.
As I stated, the only ones to blame are the ones who instigated the hostile actions... It's not that they deserved to die, it's just that they are the ones at fault and it so happens that their deaths were a result of their bad choices.
No problem, BZ. I enjoyed writing it ;-)
Arizona is the best thing to ever have happened to Florida...
That was an unexpected laugh :)
lol. yep. i have lived both places :P
lol
it's like california ...finally got some relief...
No Florida is worse.
i'm from arkansas...we could give'm all a run for their money...
Oh come on. Nothing beats the moonbats and freaks of California (and their idiot politicians...especially from the San Francisco area). Nothing.
Gotta go with Allison on this one, but Arkansas is definitely a close second. I went to funeral in Prescott and the police were called because the deceased's daughter got all drunk and out of control. Puts the fun in funeral.
What's funny is the Arizona Republic has a column called The Buzz that lists all the strange and weird things that happen. They post things from everywhere but....Arizona. If they would accept how whacked out that state is they'd have to cancel the column.
We never would have heard about this Ironing if it wasn't for the fight at the fun'eral, had it been a shooting it would have made national news, and then we would have footage of the fight as well, this is as good as the thief that broke into a New York apt and got mauled to death by a Lion, oops wrong window! well sorry can't cry over this one, why doesn't the media give us more stories like this one? and who was that Iron Man. I guess he ironed out his differences whith the intruder very well. Iron Man I like it.
Stories like this give me hope.
Hope that other idiots read them and choose not to become a statistic.
How many people are killed with irons every year anyway?
Would the manufacturer of the iron used advertise this incident as an example of the durability of their product?
"Gives a lickin and keeps on tickin!"
Lived in AZ for 4.5 years. Believe me when I tell you it was the happiest day of my life when I drove out of that hell hole! AREA 51 is NOT in New Mexico as you have all been led to believe ... it's right in the center of a slum town called Yuma.
Is it a coincidence that both states have beautiful weather with a steady influx of people from around the country and around the world moving to either of these locales??? Do us all a favor...STAY HOME!!! Watch how fast crime rates and "strange" articles dissipate with other states becoming the new "star" in the Weird News section.
At the end of the day, we're all still Americans. Imagine that!!!
I live in Florida.
Every day there is some crazy story of some idiot getting himself whacked or whacking someone for no apparent reason.
Like the guy yesterday who drove from Port Orange to Deerfield Beach, drove into an RV park and shot a total stranger in the chest and head, then forced his family into the mans RV, holding his girlfriend hostage. She escaped when he turned on his family and himself with a steak knife.
In the end, 4 dead, including the man who started it. His wife and one son survive, but barely.
He drove 200 miles and attacked a complete stranger.
Crazy....
Oh, and he was Hispanic, not that this is important.
Every day there is more craziness.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46347136/ns/local_news-orlando_fl/#.TzaU44E9xBE
http://www.wesh.com/news/30421358/detail.html
Now THIS was funny!
Seems the could not iron out their differences and one decided to press on. To bad he used to much starch and made the other a stiff. Crazy stuff!
Oh you left out Texas - Arizona, Florida and Texas!
howmanyfingers - such a CUTE picture!!!!
"Arizona is the best thing to ever have happened to Florida..."
I live in Arizona, and love it; but I got to admit that was a good one. It's like we used to say back East: The only reason New Jersey exists is to give New York something to feel superior to.
I don't care who you are, that there's funny. Lord, I apologize
collectively these responses have got to be the greatest & funniest ive seen on here in ages,the only problem w/it is the same nuts who want to ban guns will start a new lobby to ban irons
The corpse was so embarrassed He nearly died.............again.
My iron is registered.
Area 51 is in Nevada. New Sheepico has a ripoff named Roswell.
Area 69 is in several South Carolina "mens" sunday school classes. Fact, It's in several such southern states.
I carry mine concelaed.
Killed with an iron...my sympathy for the family, but I busted out laughing when I read the whole story...irons don't kill people, people kill people...we MUST ban clothes irons...the only question is if steam was involved and if it was plugged in at the time...could be considered a loaded weapon...
Hey Chi town you know if that happened in Chicago the rainbow colalition would be demanding that all irons get registard with the authoritys, and don't forget the required background check!
Also in Chicago, the irons get to vote multiple times in every election.
Yuck, Yuck, Yuck! Seeing as how this happened in Arizona I am surprised that there wasn't a shootout? Where were the CWP holders? Or the felons packing heat? I suppose out of respect for the deceased (as if he deserved any) they left their guns at home. This was a funeral fit for Westboro Baptist.
And how do 30 people get into a brawl with no injuries? This whole story seems concocted like something from The Onion.
Chi-Town, did you register your iron yet?
Crap that was funny...
LMAO Chi-Town. I'm shocked no anti-gun rights whiny liberal has chimed in yet with an opinion.
Rumor has it the Obama administration will be flooding the market with irons targeted at illegal Mexicans so they can clamp down on iron owing rights and the stores that sell them. It will be called "Operation Slow And Starch."
Jhawke, FU.
-a liberal
@Bob, FU too.
marinmom - nice manners! Did your mom teach you that?
-an American
Oh, and GFY and have a typical miserable liberal day.
It doesn't say in the story if the homeowner was ironing out whites or blacks that day...
As a liberal in good standing, I think we should strengthen iron possession laws throughout the country! The fees raised from this effort can help the government print more food stamps.
"When irons are outlawed, only criminals will have irons"
With a name like "Moses" and a brawl breaks out at a funeral in a "Babtist" church. He was clearly ironing out the blacks.
BOB and JHAWKE - now boys....- marinmom just doesn't like all the diversity in here ...can't be a real liberal with too much diversity-
If it's not THEIR diversity, it's not allowed.
Now that we've ironed that out --- party on!
We need to sue all the clothes iron manufacturers for the carnage their implements are used in all these crimes of passion. Let's pass some legislation and name it The "Moses" Bill outlawing any clothes iron that holds more than 6 ounces of water or that can be concealed inside your pants. We need to demand the immediate registration of all clothes irons. Join the mother organization Clothes Iron International or Clothes Iron Control... lol. I can just hear Dirty Harry ask a criminal... "Well punk! You have to ask yourself. Did I iron 5 shirts or six? Well?... do you feel you're lucky PUNK!".
@marinmom,
Why are you so bitter all of the time? I hope you day gets better for you. Enjoy your day.
God Bless!!
dano
Thats it! I'm keeping my iron on the bed stand, and you can bet it will be pluged in, hot and ready. if you want my iron you will have to pry it from my cold dead hand.
With a name like "Moses" and a brawl breaks out at a funeral in a "Babtist" church. He was clearly ironing out the blacks.
You can have my iron when you pry it from my
cold deadstartched hands?An iron doesn't kill groups of people, or at a distance of hundreds of feet or randomly or in drive bys or ends up as weapon of choice for right wing racists who register Republican. But lacking any logic, the National Murder and Criminal Association resorts to silly jokes and comments, only funny to the toothless and potbellied.
@dano marinmom is just up set over the cross dressing issue in the public schools she is worried she will have to by her son a new wardrobe, and the other kids might laugh at him if he wears pants.
BOB AND JHAWKE: Marinmom just probed you two right, liberals are morons. Hey MARINMOM, your name should be MORONMOM.
SKVAM: Look up!
I see the childish right wingers are out calling names today. No surprise there!
Eric Holder's Fast and Furious scam to destroy the 2nd Amendment failed..
Can we now expect from him a new scam called 'Fast and Wrinkle Free' to supply the Mexican drug cartels with American made Irons and ironing boards?
Nothing from this administration would surprise me anymore, lol!
Hey Mr. Beck hack...Fast and the Furious was started by none other than...."Meester Buch". You righties are hilarious!!
Here's what Reagan would do.....he actually tightened gun laws in California when he was gov. there. That's what happens when the Black Panthers started buying guns to "protect" themselves and Mr. Whitey got a little scared.
Fast forward 2012....Mr Brown is buying guns and weapons, thanks in large part to Mr. Whitey's children, and their insatiable need to medicate themselves, and if you all keep spouting off all of your racist spit, some of them may see thier way over to you to give you a chance to act on all of your tough talk.
Tootles!!
Wow I'm sure glad that the Hispanics and the African Americans don't use drugs it would cause problems in their Barrios.
Roger-
So are you a liberal or just a moron?
@ SKVAM: Lots of toothless and potbellied showed up for this party. Now if you could only construct a grammatically correct sentence ...
Love and kisses,
Signed, "Toothless, Potbellied, and Proud Of It"
SKVAM has dentures, watchs car races, drinks beer and owns more than one unregistered iron.
DUCK, its a drive by ironing complete with starch!
@seeking sanity
Haha-- you act as though you have some superior moral authority when in your own post you call an entire demographic of Americans "childish" -- so much for taking the higher ground. Liberal hypocrisy "No surprise there!"
@SKVAM
Wow, take a chill-pill, killjoy.
The manner of death is humorous for a number of reasons. 1) justice was served and the bad guy got whacked. 2) the implement used to take him out was a household appliance. 3) his funeral was a continuation of the idiocy that ruled (and ended) his life.
Judging by the fact that you suggest--no, scratch that-- state plainly that firearms are the hallmark of racist republicans, with no mention at all of the seething masses of left-wing gang-bangers who rely on liberal handouts from the nanny state to fund their crack addiction, clearly paints you as a bigot of another stripe with the blinders strapped so firmly to your head that the blood supply to your brain has been compromised. Congratulations! You get a multiple choice:
I am placing you on "ignore" because:
A) You have no sense of humor
B) You denigrate the toothless and pot-bellied
C) You're a partisan hack incapable of independent thought
D) All of the above
Please submit your answer to someone who gives a damn.
@everyone else (with special mention to Chi-Town Vet) who can take and make a joke: you all made my day. Thanks for the smiles!
WMG-21:
Great post! (Rubs belly, raises beer can in salute, spits through his tooth, fires off a round through the living room ceiling, returns to watching the race on 85 inch screen, then tells his wife, "Hey, cous', go fetch this man a beer! He's earned it!")
When cowards are outlawed, SteveH USA will be in irons.
Sarcasticus, forgot living in a trailer.
Roger-2701654, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
No arrests? Are you kidding me? In New Mexico the cops would've shot at least two people and arrested a dozen. Quotas are such a heavy burden.
morale of the story ;; you don't mess with the the man with the big iron..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGmUsJvRv7U
I did. I laughed my a$$ off. Great post Plain Bob... lol.
Unbelievable bob...you couldn't have done better if you had performed this yourself. Where do you find this stuff???
thanks...i listen to lots of different music...wanted to be a radio person ...growing up...
Good job, bob, made my day!!!
You don't fight at a funeral. That's not emotion, that's just no fscking class.
Well duh, they are the family and friends of this douchebag:
You expect class from the friends and family of such a lowlife? He didn't turn out that way by being surrounded by wonderful people you know.
I went to a fight and a funeral broke out. How pathetic.
How ironic. Too many irons in the fire.l Does anyone see the irony here? Okay, Ill stop.
Something is a little bit odd about the story. How does one hit another with a clothes iron in the face? What, Moses did not see it coming and did not think to duck?
If it was a clothes iron, the other person wielding the iron had to be in close proximity to the guy that was hit. Was it 1 hit or several? Could see broken facial bones but killed by a hit in the face?
The 20 y/o must not have been very fit or agile....
Probably was a domestic issue that got out of hand, story made up to cover manslaughter. The guy is dead anyway , thus can't give his side of the story...thus who is to say that the B & E story is even true etc.
The report state that the another man at the funeral punched the person (iron wielder)who the deceased was 'fighting with' before he died.
Why was the person who wielded the iron at the funeral anyway? Seems like he knew the deceased.
Anyhoo, it seems that the 'B&E' matter was still under investigation if the reporter etc is using word like 'allegedly', as it shows that the b &e story has not been proved to be the case ...yet
Well that funeral is not one anyone who attended the funeral will ever forget any time soon.
Moses seem to have gotten quite the send off on his way to the promised land .....
Your better off to kill a intruder then to mame him, otherwise he can sew you! just kill them and be done with it. and one hit with a Iron should do it but give um 4 or 5 extra hits to make sure. and its best to use the pointy end. its more efficient if you have two irons.
(A)by the results we can assume he failed to duck(B)he was close enough to hit him w/an iron(C)who cares if the guy was out of shape bottom line he got clocked (should have said ironed)(D) it doesnt matter what the issue was he broke in where he shouldnt be theres no coverup here just the facts(E)maybe they knew each other and the guy felt remorse who knows(F) can u say for sure hes going to the promised land?some would ? that
i agree w/Dbuck-2239568,someone breaks into my home their going out in a bodybag,not giving some 2 bit lawyer a chance to get him off because he had an unhappy childrhood
BZe1, in keeping with your bold crazo conspiracy theories,
I heard that the iron wasn't registered, the serial # was scratched out and the steam sprayer had been bored out
The dude broke into someone's home, and got killed in the process. He doesn't deserve dignity. He got what he deserved: Killed in the process.
you might say he got his problems ironed out...
Southpaw, I thought capital punishment was the appropriate punishment for burglary in places like Iran and Syria, not the US. The comments here are disgusting and show nothing but a total lack of regard for human life. You are as bad, if not worse, than the people at this funeral.
Ummmm, self defense and capital punishment are not the same thing by any means. That said, if anyone breaks into my home and threatens me, I will make them pay the same price this moron did. You got a problem with that?
If anyone breaks into my house while I'm at home, they'll meet the same fate.
I've got an iron too, And it's in the shape of a S&W .357.
Kudos to the homeowner for ridding society of another lowlife, no matter what weapon was used.
Good call joemike, bacause I'm sure when he came through the door he announced his presence with "Hey folks, I'm just here to take some stuff, and I don't mean anyone any harm."
This isn't about what that young man deserved. It's about the conduct of the people there.
They should have maintained dignity for the sake of the young man's living relatives. How do you think the mother, father or others feel about it. They didn't ask for any of it, but yet during their time of closure and grief, a bunch of idiots start a brawl.
I think they were very uncool.
Wow, such casual attitudes about the taking of a human life. There may be more to this story, like the fact that police reported the deceased was wearing only a t-shirt and boxer shorts when he entered that apartment through the window.
His family claims he was banging on doors seeking help after having been beaten and robbed. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe he was just high as a kite, somehow lost his clothes and was looking for a place to warm up. Clearly something was amiss, because even in sunny Phoenix, it's way too cold at 3 a.m. on a January day to be outdoors in your underwear. It's hard to imagine that his intent was simply theft -- what kind of burglar, high or sober, would decide to do that in his underwear on a freezing cold night?
It's tragic that a young man was killed over this. It's even more tragic that so many of my fellow citizens think he got what he deserved.
Let's see. He got high and lost his clothes. If it wasn't for that robbery thing, it had all the makings of a really fun night.
Hey joe, liberals like you are what is all wrong with America. You people don't like the fact that Americans have the RIGHT to self defense in their OWN HOME. You people just want us all to depend on the government and 911. What is the homeowner to do while on the phone with 911 when the perp is IN his home? Tell the punk to sit on the couch until the cops arrive? What idiocy.
Sorry pal, but the real world doesn't work like that. There really are bad people out there that want to KILL you. Thank God we have officials who still believe in the right to defend ourselves with lethal force if necessary. Now go back, crawl under your covers, and wet your bed little man.
And your comments comparing these comments to Iran or Syria are about as anti-American as it gets. Own it.
JamesP
Somehow I feel that this LL's father (if present at all) or mother care much about him anyway. And have you ever seen a NYC housing project elevator or a stairwell?
azdad---
You are absolutely right when you say there may be more to the story. He may have been going door to door (or window to window) begging for pants. Or he may have been on a mission to obtain more money for his drug of choice by whatever means necessary. The homeowner may have hit him with an iron because that was all available. The homeowner's wife may have handed him the iron she was using to iron clothes for the baby that was playing on the floor nearby. Personally, I will believe that the homeowner, who was there, reacted appropriately despite what the criminal's (yes, the minute he came into the house uninvited, he became a criminal) family, who wasn't there, says in his defense. That is, until somebody presents me with facts that suggest otherwise.
DanSok101 Only in pictures, but that has nothing to do with it. How you feel has nothing to do with it either.
We can act like animals, or choose to not act on impulse alone.
Really, what was that person thinking? "There's that guy my dead friend was fighting. I better punch him out in honor of my friend." Oh yeah! That is real freaking intelligent. If he had even a sliver of brains, or self restraint, he would have waited till after the funeral.
Criminal did not have to break into the house. He CHOSE to.
Man with iron did not have to defend himself or his home. He CHOSE to.
Choices, they make the world go around.
Criminal could have chosen to do something else that day.
Man with iron could have chosen to exit his home.
Choices, they determine where we end up on a given day and time.
Choose wisely.
Do a little research. This is the same person who a couple years ago pointed a BB gun at the cops and got shot. His mother got on tv and yelled they shouldn't have shot him. Looks like there is more but its all sealed in juvenile records
Really? That makes sense. Criminals don't start out as masterminds, they have to work their way up. Thankfully this moron's career was a short one.
JoeMikes problem is the idea of private property "rights" and the one of right of self-defense. He's from a more "enlightened" group of our citizens who see themselves as "citizens of the "world" where the rights they enjoy are "granted" as privileges by government that can and do arbitrarily withdrawn them as easily as they were dispensed upon it's citizens like the Feds or the United Nations and NOT bestowed by their Creator on His Creation as so eloquently stated in our Founding Documents and thus inalienable. Quick JoeMike... scurry to your master and lick his hand that cares for you from cradle to grave. Or at least that's what he wants you to believe... lol.
Mom didn't do a very good job did she, theysay he had a rap sheet as thick as a book! well this was bound to happen, the guy just wasn't quit right in the head, well his troubles are over. its possible that allot of people may rest easier now that they don't have to worry about what this person will do next, face it Moses was Trouble. for you liberals just think of it as an abortion, just 20 years late. that should make it OK.
20 years old, 3AM, wearing nothing but underwear, breaking into someone Else's house, why would you have a problem with this, personally I don't see any other course of action, and when the toxicology report comes back you will probably see he was on crack. there is a difference between having a life and just existing. what would you do if you woke up at 3AM and found someone rummaging around your house dressed in underwear? I don't think you will waste any time before you react when you think this may be your final moment. in a life or death situation you better act fast without hesitation or your dead. Moses found out the hard way that you can't just do whatever you want there are consequences. just because you want to do something doesn't make it right. don't blame Iron Man blame the system for allowing these crazies to run loose. there were lots of warning signs.
D Buck I agree, this guy wasn't quite right in the head. If he broke into my house at 3 a.m. in his underwear, I would protect my family as this guy did. If a clothing iron were the only available weapon, I'm certain I would hit him with it to stop him. The key words in that sentence are "stop him." Would I intentionally try to kill him? No. Did "iron man" intend to kill him? Perhaps we'll never know, but I'd like to think he did not.
Justifiable? Absolutely. Most desirable outcome? I think not. Whatever people might think of the dead man and his rap sheet, addictions or mental health issues, he was not the only victim. "Iron man" killed a man with a clothing iron blow to the face, and he has to live with that for the rest of his life.
Well that Rap Sheet is closed out and sealed with an iron.
I drove past 2 funeral homes on my way home from work each day many years ago. I saw the police called at home home due to what seemed to be a fracas. At another some guy with several kids in his SUV wrecklessly cut me off as if he was heading for a violent confrontation. I'm willing to bet that statistics would show higher rates of traffic accidents around funeral homes even though it would seem the opposite is true. It would probably be better to find another route home from work.
I'be been watching 'Spartacus.' That's what we need-a big cage where this ilk of people can squeeze in, as many as will fit, and pummel and kill each other to their heart's content. Hey, it would keep them off the streets.
Put it on pay per view so it can fund itself. God knows the prison guard union is a burden to the taxpayers here in California.
I'd pay good money to watch that.
good grief...I just bought Spartacus last night on an impulse. Great movie. Haven't seen it in ages.
seems ol Moses "pressed" his luck a bit too much with that last B & E.
B & E is what they call it when nobody is home... what he did was a home invasion. Personally I'm glad the little @!$%# is dead.
Hey don't laugh it causes wrinkles and then you'll need to be hit in the face with a iron to get them out>>>LOL
I know this church. The congregation is, well.... 98% African American. Never dull.
I was going to say ban handguns but I could see the irony of the situation.
Nice pun
Would have never guessed that. Bahahahahahahaha
At least he didn't chop his kids head with an axe before torching his home. What type of people do that to there kids? 98% White people. Go figure.
Really mentally sick and deranged people do that to their kids, but it's an isolated incident. There's the difference. The behavior described in this story is not an isolated incident.
Isolated Incident? Really?
All the kid-touching catholic priests aren't white? Domestic terrorists who blow up buildings like Timothy McVeigh with kids in it? Yeah I call that a pattern. Maybe they can't help it. Maybe it's just flawed DNA.
And maybe evil doesn´t have a color.
At least he didn't chop his kids head with an axe before torching his home. What type of people do that to there kids? 98% White people. Go figure.
Really........ you seem to have forgotten or you are just too uneducated to know what somalians and other africant tribes with machetes and knives do to their elderly and young...pffft.disgusting.....watched first48 last night......4 black thugs lit up a house with ak's and handguns and murdered a 2 y.o. boy and his mother in their sleep,for nothing.......yeah ,real civilized.
@Spearwithnopoint
The truth is awe-inspiring. Go to the US DOJ website. Look up Infantcide, filter by race. (shame I have to teach you how to research something a 9 y.o. could have found out.)
Results: 77.6% whites
Thats right. More than all the other races combined.
First 48.... bwahaha. My source trumps yours. Try again.
This is the time to point out: In Arizona half the people are armed, and yet during fist fights we don't pull guns.
Been there a few times and up at cave creek I saw 2 armed guys fight it out with fist only. Not the yahoo gunslingers the libs like to portray you all as. I have been looking at Payson and Flag Staff as maybe a place to retire.
No they don't , they hold off their quickdraw instincts till they can attend a political event .
I believe they try to iron out their trouble, instead. Pressing issues can up the fracas component. However, letting off steam without firearms is a definite plus.
The consequences of such actions could be a little stiff.
(Okay, sorry, I just couldn't resist.)
@ Bleumoine
You obviously are refering to the Gabby Giffords case in which one of her obsessed fans felt she slighted him do to his excessive failed attempts to contact her. This is fact and Lauffner was not a right winger, but a looney left winger who felt he deserved attention from her and when he didn't get it he decided to punish her. Much like the obamacare stipulation where you will be punished if you reject his health care plan.
Moses is sure to be a Darwin Award winner.
This has "black" written all ove it.
This got stupidity written all over it comes in all flavors and colors let's not have a
contest nobody's gonna win...and just entering it proves only one thing..YOUR STUPID...
Moses Taylor......all you need to know
Steve Graves- All you need to know. Is ignorance bliss? Ask Graves.
Ginzo -- That's exactly what I thought too as soon as I saw the headline.
Hey, it's "you're stupid" not "your stupid", stupid.
I am confused- Who's stupid is it? Whose stupid now?
Whatchu talkin' bout Ginzo??!!
black has nothing to do with it. stupid people comes in all colors. did a white man just not kill his 2 boys and himself by blowing his whole house up. nothing to do because he was white he was just selfish and stupid. stop with all the hate.
I do not see GINZO's statement as one of hate, as much as i do reality, and characteristics of the breed, mostly violence and hatred for anyother race.
Arizona... and still haven't blamed it on illegals? What? He was American? Oops...
Agree with porschemirror -- not hate, REALITY!
American? Go ahead and say it, he was African American maybe? You're right, Arizona has no problems with illegals at all...go back to sleep.
'You can take the boy out of the country but you can't take the country out of the boy."
The country people I know are lovely - help you in a minute. It would be better said, "you can take the boy out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the boy".
I agree Cats eye..something tells me that moses wasn't a good ole cowboy hat wearing country boy...in fact I'll bet a thousand bucks he was black
I bet he was an Irish cowboy.
At least he wasn't a pedophile coach or preist. We know which race reserves those positions.
meanest one:
Yes, we know that you think all pedophiles are whites. Now, stay on topic!
This post is about a man who was killed, and a fight broke out at the funeral. Most people guessed that it was a black or hispanic funeral.
It has nothing to do with pedophiles or whites killing their children.
I thought it was the "we throw grenades at funerals" Irish.
Statistics show the vast majority of pedophiles in this country are white. Have you watched "To Catch A Predator"?
Sorry if you can't handle facts.
meanest one:
I don't base my opinions on what I see on a tv show. Good Grief!
I don't believe I know of any Irish throwing grenades at any funerals I have attended. Sigh......
The topic is over a fight at a funeral..
We know that you believe all whites are pedophiles and kill their children. Now we also know that you believe most/all Irish throw grenades at funerals, and that you base your opinions from what you watch on a tv show called "To Catch a Predator".
meanest one Whats the matter? you sad ovet the death of another gang banging black punk that are on the news everyday killing eachother and filling the jails, re-producing with no plans of having a family. Facts hurt? Where in this country has an irishman thrown a grenade at a funeral, tell me that story...
All of you "tough guys" with your little White man complex about blacks.
You can come out to AZ, places like Apache Junction, Downtown Phx, Maricopa and see your "Cowboy" superior race. Meth junkies, pedophile trailer nations, and toothless wonders living off of the Goverment all the while complainin' bout "Obamanation".
10 to 1 says old Moses was parting some "Barbie"'s red sea while her boyfriend was watching MMA or Nascar or "fixin" up his Camaro!
Here you go murderous bloodlusting devils. Throwing grenades at a funeral.
source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTz6xYVtPKE
@cat
Base it on fact then:
Demographic characteristics of child molesters: 77.6% white
(source: us doj)
The fact thats out of all cases of infanticide Whites commit more acts than all the other races COMBINED!
(souce: us doj)
@Reaganwannabe
Whats the matter? Are you sad over that another wannbe cowboy, budweiser guzzling, tin-foil ladden pointed white hat wearing, calling your sister mama, sick-o parent didn't beat the case like Casey Anthony?
@Pancho Villa
Or they can just ask their Pappy-Uncle-Brother.
@ Not so mean one...the you tube vid you sent was from Northern Ireland, a long way from the US. The English/Irish troubles have since ceased pretty much about 15 years ago. You have a computer so use it to find facts. Secondly, I'm from Boston, not a redneck or a Hillbilly that cares about NASCAR which you sterotype about...Why are you always talking about pedophiles? This story is about a braindead moolie, looking for crack money that got smoked with an iron.
@poncho...You're probably right...maybe he was tapping someone's wife or girlfriend which makes an even more of a descent guy...Seems to me that most moolies only care about busting their nut and making fatherless babies as opposed to getting educated, getting a job, starting a family like the hillbillies in the rest of the country do.
@reaganwannabe
Need I mention the shooting and killing by the HA motorcycle gang. Yeah, a lot of fine upstanding citiznes there. Or do you not consider HA bikers white?
Aww. Did your Pappy-uncle-brother teach you that?
Not much in-breeding going on up here in Massachusetts Moolie Boy....Wow the hells angels now how? what happened to the video from 3000 miles away you sent earlier? You give up on that one? HA are mostly white i guess, what about Your common street gang though? Mostly moolies...
Pocho- I want to see your green card, or are you like your hero Hussein Obama, illegal...
Fine. Here is your proud species at its best:
source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaNpW95Nt1U
At over 250,000 active members, I would say the ALL WHITE criminal organizations of New York far outnumber and are far more dangerous than any street gang.
No go tell your mama-sister what you learned today.
At least i know who my daddy is Moolie Boy and Your Momma smokes crack and buys fried chicken with food stamps. I'm not looking at Your YouTube Vids anymore...You already had Your chance and @!$%#ed it up by sending stuff from Ireland and saying it happened here in America. I didnt open your vid but if you are saying that a motorcycle gang outnumbers Crypts, Bloods, and all that bull@!$%# than you really are high.
Yeah, you're brother.
Fine, go back to your NAMBA site then.
All I did was point out, whites get violent at funerals, weddings etc. as well. You do know the Irish are consodered white don't you.
Actually I said members of an infamous New York mafia... thats not even counting the other states.
There are 5 times as many white drug addicts than black. So that meth you are smoking is doing more than just making you type faster.
So Chim-Chim, what you're saying is that there are more mafia members in NYC than all inner city thugs combined across the nation? You really are thick-skulled. Secondly, never tried meth but I'll take your word that it's pretty good and cheap to make like the moolie drug of choice-crack, it's Funny that you know what website may have pedophiles... maybe a site you checked out. I really think You are a homo now. Lastly, the thing in N. Irealand you keep talking about was an act of terrorism during a time of war, not a bunch of moolies in the inner city killing eachother. Later Chim Chim
Is the new moniker really nessesary? I think you were doing better by just referring to me by the "N" word. It shows everyone else what your true colors are. It makes it a lot easier to spot your ilk.
You may frequent sites such as NAMBLA and Stormfront but you should check out dailystrength.org It may help you with your misguided hatred. You should be mad at your pappy-uncle-brother or whatever you call youselves these days. I'll opt for Tea Party member.
Stormfront? Dude never heard of it. If it is a pedophile site then it's all on you. I've heard of NAMBLA on the news but it sounds like you have them all down. Are you mad i called called you a homo? You are one messed up dude. Call me a racist if you want, but your posts to other bloggeers go on calling ALL white people pedophiles and terrorist because 1 incident in Oklahoma, you need to look in the mirror. Stop calling tea kettle black. Nothing wrong with the Tea Party either not wanting to support welfare sucking scumbags of any color for the rest of their lives.
Why would I be mad at you accusing me of being homosexual? Was that suppose to be an insult? You don't even know me, let alone my sexual orientation. Know a bigot like yourself getting upset I would understand. Thats all you bigots have going, hate and anger.
I never said all white people. Show me which one of my post said all. I specifically said 77.6% of pedophiles are white. This is not a stereotype, it is not a made up fox news "fact". It is a statistic, provided by the US DOJ. If you read into that and see all then maybe its because of your environment.
You've used deragatory names to refer to different groups of people , so yes you're a racist.
So if you would like to continue to play the stereotype game thats fine, as I have tons of ammunition as your comments alone give me plenty of fodder. ENGUARD LE DOUCHBAG!!!
Now I'm sorry if I brought up repressed agression in you because your mommy hurt you but you are an adult now and they have support groups to help you.
Jesus @!$%#ing Christ, what is this a goddam Klan convention? Where did all these inbred racist @!$%#ers come from all of a sudden?
I dunno man! You are the liberal blackman, so you tell me.
It is a shame that someone as young as 20 died, but when you break into anothers home, you can expect to get things ironed out in a hurry.
Hahaha.
This is what happens when people are not properly medicated for their complicated grief.
Hmmmm .... note to self .... find out how much it costs to have the funeral director add a bowl of Prozac at the chapel door.
Sooo, was the home owner "packin heat" or "packin iron"?
Both if the iron was plugged in.
Thank-you, lpf1359, for the coffee up my nose! I'm still laughing, and gurglin' a little.................
my guess is he was swinging iron
held by the cord and ....well you get the picture ....
If a funeral was held for a dirtbag, what kind of people would be likely to attend it?
More Dirt Bags.
I say good riddence. One less lowlife on the streets!!!!
Well, his family probably attended. Maybe even his dear mother. She's a dirtbag, too?
They just need to all sit down and iron this thing out......
There was no reason to kill this man just because he was burglarizing. He was just keepin' it real.
You will get my iron when you pry it from my cold dead fingers... (was it a steam iron?)
Big Al....let me break into your house in the middle of the night while you are sleeping and see how real you will keep it....if you break into my house while I am home, you can best believe you will be leaving in a body bag.
I think Big Al was being sarcastic.
I certainly hope he was!
Normally when you get the jump on someone and their pants are down it is a big advantage...not in this case.
I don't personally carry an iron but I salute those who do. Keep the bad guys guessing.
.......when keeping it "real" goes wrong.
I hope that the Iron was not damaged in this story. If so the bill should be sent to who ever raised this Young Man. He was probably looking for an entitlement
Before I read the article I was wondering if there was beer there. Thought it might be just another Irish wake, Top o the marnin to ya
My guess would be lots of Colt 45 ... and a few 9mm's ... and plenty of coke.
Ron,you're right, irish people like to drink but they work for a living and do not rob eachother's houses...they may rob a bank or two in Boston, but ususally don't commit home invasions, we leave that to the blacks. Pog Mo Thoin!
No self-respecting Irishman that I know would cause a fracous at a funeral in the first place..it would interfere with the drinkin'!
If one did start, it would not be with weapons - it would be a good old-fashioned Irish fistfight.......while the rest watched, took bets, and finished their drinkin'.
If someone pulled a weapon, the others would take it from him - probably his older sister - tell him to finish the fight like a man with his fists, then continue drinkin'. His relatives would lay into him later for embarrassing them by trying to cheat in a fistfight.
You must have missed the video when the hairy apes were throwing grenades at each other during a funeral. Bwahaha.
Well, once Ron read the article and saw the name was "Moses", that disqualified the possibility of it involving any Irish if you know what I mean... (hint: the Irish tend not to name their kids 'Moses')
The article isn't titled with the deceased name. You would have to read to see it. Ron commented on the title.
Thats funny, a moolie calling a white guy a hairy ape. By the way the people tossing those grenades were English, not Irish. Get it straight Crack Smoking Thick-Skulled Eggplant
Well being those of your kind typically have more body hair, it does show which race has evolved further from the fully haired ape.
Sorry whites are ahead in this catagory too.
Now go back to your cave blowing pictures of your hand on the wall.
That sounds about right. They just don't want you to know how much whites do drugs because it don't look right. after all if your white you all right.
Dude, @!$%#s look like apes, monkeys and gorillas, sorry to break it to you. From now on i'll call You Chim-Chim. Another thing Chim Chim, there are 5 times as many whites than there are blacks (thank Christ) so any time you say more whites do this more than any other race I am not listening because your information is wrong.
and Oscar- you're right about being right is all right -it is what it is...
Bwahaha. Ok the meth, budweiser and overly tight tin-foil laden pointed white cap is affecting your ability to think again.
I agree with your statement:
Right is right and left is left. Bwahahaha.
No go back in your cave and wax you continuous chest/neck/nose hairs.
ok chim chim, go hang out with Michael Jackson, a well known black pedophile...i will enjoy my budweiser, enjoy your colt 45 in a 40oz and cheap ass wine. sorry things turn out better for you chim-chim, then again i'm not sorry monkey boy, later Nig
Wow. You must be snorting your meth now. Your mom-sister really needs to start setting limits for you. Now, we know your type loves killing it's indicitive in your flawed DNA and you can't help it (a testament to your un-evolved full body fur). You know who else loved it? Hitler.
Is that someone you admire and aspire to be like?
Comment # 28.13 deleted, really racist remark from What Would Reagan Do?.
You are suspended for a week for violating rule # 5 of the Code of Honor.