Basic Firearms Training Course should be mandatory BEFORE you can purchase a gun.

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You can't fix stupid.

I go to a gun show this Saturday, I'll be heading to the RANGE afterward, not the HOSPITAL.

You can't fix stupid.

Well, he almost fixed it.

If that was an I.Q. test...............................he failed!

Ready. Fire. Aim.

Interesting how "gun culture" attracts an inordinate number of idiots.

What is really sad is the fact he was aiming for his other leg.

Thank goodness it was aimed at his leg. He could be a eunuch now.

He didn't shoot himself at a gun show; he shot himself in a parking lot. Still pretty stupid. Had his finger on the trigger when he shouldn't have.

This is the price of freedom, though - same reason we allow skinheads, black panthers, etc. Rights mean nothing if they only apply to "acceptable" people and things.

My question is why did he feel the need to load it in the parking lot?!?

JK, had he become a eunuch, at least he would've done the world a favor. No need to procreate that stupidity.

the most important firearm safety device is the one between your ears

...unfortunately, this guy's failed, miserably

Interesting how "gun culture" attracts an inordinate number of idiots.

Even more interesting is how the "anti-gun" culture attracts an inordinate number of victims.

Every day there are more and more stories of home invasions. The funny ones are those that end with a dead perpetrator. The sad ones end with a homeowner being the victim of a crime that could have defended themselves if not for their bias against the very tool the criminal is using against them.

If the deadliest weapon we had was a club, there would be an "anti club" lobby too. Some people are just predisposed to be that way I guess.

At least he didn't shoot himself in the arse!

This guy needs protection from himself! Tell him to give the gun back to grown ups.

Interesting how "gun culture" attracts an inordinate number of idiots

Just how do you come to this conclusion? There are MILLIONS of people with guns in this country.

Gun users have a phenomenal safety record. Give the average person a car and a gun, and he's far more likely to cause harm to someone else with the car.

I heard it was Dick Cheny's grandson. oh

Lake was taken to Memorial University Medical Center with an injury not considered life-threatening.

Although he may still die of embareassment.....Putz!

You just proved the point of the original poster. Now, Einstein, go have someone explain to you what I mean.

One must always be smarter than their tools, and this guy shouldn't be allowed to own a rock.

Sounds like he may not have much business owning a firearm??

Great post NRA Member. Kinda sums it up, but the loony lefties still won't get it..

ALWAYS, put brain in gear, before putting hands in motion.

lol It was probably a Glock. Glocks have a very soft touch and some people who are used to heavier triggers forget to leave their fingers off the trigger on a glock when handling it.

No Glock I've ever handled had a soft touch (this includes the 4 I own). In fact, they have one of the heaviest, least crisp triggers I've ever felt.

And why is this news?

Oh yeah! The media wants to reinforce the stereotype of gun owners from the south as complete idiots. Got it!

I would prefer a complete ban on all guns but the least we can do is require bi-annual psychological testing.

think that if you shoot yourself , the state should at least make you pass a gun safety course, at the VERY LEAST

A few months ago, a fourth grader was found carrying a grenade.

If only all the other fourth graders had grenades to defend themselves, too.

Have a nice day.

Oh yeah! The media wants to reinforce the stereotype of gun owners from the south as complete idiots. Got it!

Doesn't seem too far off, lmao.

The guy's hands weren't shot because they were armed.

Makes as much sense as any other Pro gun argument.

Have a nice day.

Dano: You've exposed yourself as a prejudiced troll. I'm a Democrat and have more guns than I can count, and I support the castle doctrine. Sorry it wasn't you in that car.

I don't really mind this because it mostly eliminates the morons like the guy in the article.

If I had a gun, I would take it to Church every Sunday, to protect those week minded people from the priest.

Oh really Romney? Who is the moron? The a key is pretty far from the e key, eliminating a typo. To me, it looks as if you actually meant to describe a period of seven consecutive days in the place of what was clearly and contextually meant to be weak.

Romney,

Congratulations for being pro second amendment without actually knowing you are.

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -- Mahatma Gandhi

Really?:

Please give the source for your comment: "Every day there are more and more stories of home invasions."

I keep hearing this and have yet to see a report of any other than the less than a few high profile cases like the one in Conn.

The fourth grader that was carrying the grenade wa going to dye it with Easter egg colors and give it to his local priest.

Statistically, as a gun owner you are more likely to shoot yourself or a family member than get shot by someone else.

This is probably one of the most played out myths of all time, right up there with the shooter on the grassy knoll.

The "statistics" you are referring to, are by a study done in 1986 by Arthur Kellerman...his study was extremely biased. Kellermans study looked a group of people who were victims of a homicide, he excluded any non homicides, which meant anybody wounded by a handgun or scared off by a handgun, and he said, "who are these people that are the victims", and decided that "family members" were anybody living in the house, or known to anyone living in the house...so a drug dealer and a junkie would be "family", so many seedy relationships were included as family....He excluded all the positive uses of a handgun in self defense, which eliminates about 92% of self defense uses, based on the Klegg study from the Univ of Florida, which determined how many times a weapon was used in self defense in the home, and 92% of the time, a weapon was displayed, no shots were fired, and no one was killed.

Even looking at raw numbers, there are about 300 million people in this country, and approximately half of them have guns, and in order for your statistics to have validity, we'd be seeing huges numbers of homicides or mass killings.

For the record (because many people don't seem to know this): Ghandi's first name wasn't Mahatma. It was Mohandas; Mahatma was an honorific that means "great soul".

Oh, and who else supports gun rights for self-defense? The Dalai Lama. Said so in an interview.

Hillbilly, you have a point,but remember this is the home state of the NEWT, GINGERY,CHABLIS and lets not forget DR.BRAUN, makes for a clown car full of KNUCKLEHEADS ! Don't believe it's the WATER,or the PEACHES??????GENETICS !

I AM NOT against responsible people having guns. I am all for very strict gun laws, however.

I grew up in a household of guns, hunting rifles, BB guns, hand guns etc. For as far back as I can remember, my dad taught us that ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED. In our household, ALL guns were always looked at as if they were loaded, whether they were or not. They were always handled as if they were loaded. This was a safety feature that was drilled into our heads, that taught us to be VERY CAUTIOUS when handling/cleaning guns. And of course, we never handled the guns without my dad permission and presence.

We were taught to treat guns with great respect, and you would NEVER EVER point a gun at anything unless you were prepared to pull the trigger. And you would NEVER point a gun at a person. In fact, my brother and I were never allowed to have 'toy guns'. My dad taught us that there is no such thing as a toy gun. All guns were dangerous, and they were to be used for hunting, or target practice prior to hunting. PERIOD! They were not for show and tell.

Like robbopaloobop said, this guy FAILED half of the test.

1. Treat every gun as if it were loaded. -------------------------------------------- FAILED
2. Always keep a gun pointed in a safe direction. ------------------------------- FAILED
3. Always make sure a gun is empty before handling or cleaning.
4. Don't trust the safety mechanisms. --------------------------------------------- FAILED
5. Keep your finger outside the trigger guard until ready to shoot. --------- FAILED
6. Be sure of your target and beyond. --------------------------------------------- FAILED
7. Always wear eye & ear protection.
8. Don't run, jump, or climb with a loaded firearm.
9. Be sure barrel is clear before shooting.
10. Don't drink alcoholic beverages before or during shooting (or reloading).

NRA Memeber: Spot on! I was thinking the same thing.

Romney (CWQ): Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt........ Oops. Too late!

Been around guns ALL of my life. ALWAYS taken the commandments seriously. NEVER overestimated abilities, or underestimated situations. Had a couple of accidental knife injuries in the kitchen, though... Maybe we need to ban kitchens?

D'oh!!!

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndpur.html

"But if someone has a gun and is trying to kill you ... it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." -- - Dalai Lama

He should get at least 6 months jail time for endangerment. he just haaaad to load the gun for his ride home, and put on in the chamber. hahaha! yeah sometimes you don't get a chance to cock it when granny cuts you off in traffic, better to always be prepared. wh-owww and it happened in GA! too funny. and its just more regulation that sensible people want. You realize that if there was a law against driving around with a loaded weapon this guy wouldn't now have a gangster limp.

Reni-1459961

I'm smiling at your comment and "training"... We were raised the same way with the exception of we played with toy guns... But, the treat all guns AS IF THEY ARE A LOADED GUN was so deeply ingrained, even with the bolt out for cleaning, I, did not like looking down the barrel when cleaning the weapon.... I, did look, but triple checked before, I, did so... WE even when hunting, did so without a round chambered...

Hurray for parents who teach their children how to safely handle ANY weapon, instead of teaching FEAR and IGNORANCE..

LarBear

Hey Reni-1459961, Did we have the same Dad??!! lol I was brought up the same exact way! Don't play with guns and NEVER, EVER point at anything you don't want to kill, including yourself, even if the gun is unloaded or you THINK it's unloaded. Too bad this guy didn't remember that "rule" of handling guns.

I had to click on this story to make sure it wasn't my ex. A few years ago, while travelling alone at night, out of state, he shot himself in the leg with his Glock while driving and playing with his pistol. One bullet put 4 holes in his leg and he almost bled to death. Sadly, he did live and has since procreated (accidentally) but that's his problem and stupidity, not mine. If only he'd been a little further to the right and up a bit.......

stoopid

You can't fix stupid.

Well, he almost fixed it.

Good shot, stoop...

As always.

A little low, Mr. Lake.

Try again.

One thing I forgot...

People often say, "Ya can't fix stupid."

While this is true, I generally like to add, 'Ya can't legislate stupid, either.'

And while I'm here, I read this a while back, and thought it befitting of the anti-liberty/pro-big bro groups:

"Currently, counting all Federal, State, County and Municipal gun laws, there are over 27,800 gun control laws on the books. Clearly the criminals don't see this as a deterrent. Of course if these laws were enforced it would help. How is it exactly, you would keep all guns out? Hmmmm? Prohibition didn't work in the 20's, made the Kennedy's and the mobsters rich, aside form that is was a total failure. There are currently 111,000,000 military weapons in world wide circulation. The majority supplied by the U.S. government, the largest arms dealer in the world, as it happens. The guns are already there, so what?, you want them being smuggled into the U.S. on the black market? Oh wait, too late. Stop trying to vilify legal, reasonable gun owners. Remember when concealed carry was introduced? Your side said there will be killings in the street, it will be the wild west. It was nothing of the sort, It turns out reasonable people are just that, not matter how your side tried to demonize them. Out of the 1.2 million carry permits issued in the U.S., only 126 of these people have committed a crime while they had them. A far cry from the 100% of armed violent criminals. Go after them, why don't you. Again, criminals don't get the guns legally, they steal them or buy them from those who do. Or they get them after they are brought in over our open borders, along with drugs, people coming in illegally, as part of their payment to get here. There are vast sections along the border in the national parks that are now closed to U.S. citizens because they are firmly in the hands of the cartel drug runners. Nice huh? Wake up and see the real world, not the propaganda fed you by those who don't have our best interests at heart." -- Unknown

Couldn't remember the handle of the OP at the time. But it's block-quoted.

Romney = (Corporate) Welfare Queen

Persons in favor of gun rights:

• Jared Lee Loughner
• Seung-Hui Cho
• Osama Bin Laden
• Sarah Palin
• Glenn Beck

You forgot: The founders of this country, I'm with them.

DOH

Better than the dealer at the gun show who shot himself....twice. then he had two guns stolen from his display.

http://www.macombdaily.com/articles/2011/06/29/news/doc4e0a211c6892a081854850.txt

Last year we had a pair of knuckleheads shoot themselves after buying a gun and pulling over into a parking lot to load it. Did did so while looking for the non-existent safety.

http://www.wmur.com/news/25417093/detail.html

As far as the Glock, the average tripper pull is about 3.5 to 4 pounds. Light by any standard compared to a DAO type.

I no longer attend those shows. too many putzs attend and few decent dealers.

Great post NRA Member. Kinda sums it up, but the loony lefties still won't get it..

And what makes you think many of us "loony left" don't own guns? This "loony leftist is a Vietnam vet, owns several firearms, anf firmly believes that some idiots shouldn't be allowed to own a fork, let alone a gun.

Romney

Pleeeeeeeeeese don't by a gun.

@Romney,

Glad to hear that you don't own a gun. Thank You.

I think it was the guys other leg that made him shoot himself, Maybe one leg was longer or something and the other leg was getting even? ha ha ha ha.

There's really nothing more stupid than playing with a new gun in a parking lot at night these days, I'd hate to be around this fool on Christmas morning if he just got another new gun~

Better that he shot himself rather than someone else.

I generally like to add, 'Ya can't legislate stupid, either.'

Sure you can. There's plenty of stupid legislation on the books.

As they say.....guns don't shoot people....people shoot people. This is just one of those things that proves that the saying is correct! What an idiot!

The story says he went back on Sunday to buy another gun. He needed it to protect himself from himself.

NRA Member, given that Obama has exanded gun rights, how does your post hold water? Wait... don't tell me... he's waiting for his second term to do what he really wants to do, right? I remember you tools saying that about Clinton first term, then Clinton second term, then Obama first term... lol. How pathetic you fear-mongerers are.

See; even Right-wing persons need National Health Coverage.

When NRA members post - there is always one given - they never post any source of their BS. Making a list might be all you need to be convinced of your own reasons to believe in something - but self made lists are usually only good for buying groceries.

bigaura Interesting how "gun culture" attracts an inordinate number of idiots. #1.7 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 9:58 AM EST

Interesting how "anti-gun culture" attracts those who are convinced that the police will just automatically show up every time a crime is being committed. Try this old experiment sometime: Call the police, the fire department, and the local pizza-delivery place at the same time -- and see who shows up first.

The truth is that by the time the police get around to showing up on a burglary and/or home-invasion call, the crime has already taken place, and YOU are likely already critically injured -- or dead.

NRA Member-1019361, I find it EXTREMELY interesting that you choose to automatically equate "Liberal Democrat" with "Totalitarianist/Communist Dictator". How about we all just use your same sense of il-logic and just automatically equate "Conservative Republican" with "Theocratic/Totalitarianist Dictator" -- since the MAJORITY of Conservative Republican Political Candidates seem to want to control which RELIGION people are allowed to follow, as well as what they may think?

Please get your head out of your butt and start learning the TRUTH about what is REALLY going on in the world of Politics. Here's a clue for you: The "Brady Bill", which supposedly keeps guns out of the hands of the mentally deranged, was proposed and passed into Law by CONSERVATIVES. It's one of those "anti-gun rights" laws you claim to hate so much.

A clear case of natural selection in progress.

Agreed. And I can't see how the NRA doesn't understand that gun control simply means keeping guns out of the hands of idiots like this. I'm very much in favor of gun control. And there are guns in my house. However...my husband and my son know how to use them, how to store them, and how to respect what they can do. Morons like this guy only make responsible gun owners look stupid.

Pedestrian,

Guess you haven't noticed that the DOJ and ATF are using the "Fast and Furious" op where they intentionally allowed guns to walk across the border to clamp down on the rights of people in southern border states. You probably don't realize that there are e-mails from admin sources that suggest this be done.

Probably the only reason that this isn't being done on a broader basis is because their little op blew up in their face. And it blew up in their face because the folks at the gun stores and the folks that were a little further down the chain of command realized that what was going on stunk and they came forward to get it stopped.

braindamage,

So, how do you feel about your friend Romney's list. He states that Beck and Palin are for gun rights... not hard to prove since they are for the Constitution.

He also states that Loughner and Cho are for gun rights... are you sure? I mean one is a dead lunatic and one is a lunatic. Do you really know what they are for? Do they know what they are for?

As far as Bin Laden is concerned, do you think he would want everyone to have guns? No, probably not. He would want them certainly, but that would be so that he could rule over those that didn't have them.

Then of course you have his "anti-gun" section listing Ghandi. I knew off the top of my head he was wrong and a two second Google search got me the quote I needed to prove my point.

AS to the list made by NRA, he pretty much nailed the list. It would take a few minutes and a rather extensive post of comments to prove that considering the length of the list but here's one entry for you to consider -

‘‘When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans ...... And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities.’’

— Bill Clinton, 3-22-94

Give guys like these their own island, and let them have all the guns, religion and no taxes they want.

Great post, NRA Member! I'd like to know who decided to collapse your post and why. Was it because you were telling the truth? Was it because they disagreed? Was it because you made sense? Actually, I know the only one's capable of collapsing a post are the Newsvine editors or their employees. Therefore, I can conclude they just don't like what you said. Isn't that censorship? Isn't that unfair to not allow both sides of a story? Doesn't that show Newsvine to be biased towards more gun control and more gun bans? As someone else said, we have 27,000+ gun laws in the books, counting local, state and federal laws. None of them have stopped the criminals from getting guns and none ever will. They're ctiminals! They don't follow the laws in the first place. Why does anyone think they'll follow a new law? Probably 75% or more of those 27,000+ gun laws on the books are NOT enforced. Why put any more on the books that can't be enforced either? The gun grabber's only want the general public to be defenseless and the criminals to be the only ones armed! If the remaining 1/2 of the population took gun safety courses and legally obtained their CCL, it would prevent many home invasions, car jackings and muggings and take a few criminals off the streets! OK, Newsvine, you can collapse my post now, too, since you disagree with me! You're supposed to be a news organization, not a censor! Have you ever heard of Freedom of Speech? It's supposed to apply in the US under the 4th Amendment. Don't you believe in that or do you toss it out along with our 2nd Amendment rights? Please prove you can and will do the right thing and 'uncollapse' NRA Member's post.

As for that list of "gun-rights supporters".....

• Jeffrey Dahmer
• Lee Harvey Oswald
• Timothy McVeigh
• Terry Nichols
• David Burke
• Martin Bryant
• George Jo Hennard
• James Oliver Huberty
• Charles Whitman
• Thomas Hamilton
• Michael Ryan
• Genildo Ferreira de Franca
• Pat Sherrill
• Marc Lepine
• Eric Harris
• Dylan Klebold
• George Banks
• Howard Unruh
• Eric Borel
• Mark O. Barton
• Charlie Starkweather
• Caril Ann Fugate
• James Ruppert
• James Edward Pough
• Richard Durn
• Wade Frankum
• Julian Knight
• Carl Brown
• Gian Luigi Ferri

All the names on this list are found here: http://www.mayhem.net/Crime/murder1.html While many of the people on this list were definitely "certifiable", they ALL supported the Right to Possess and Bear Arms -- meaning GUNS.

Oh, and let the Conservative Pro-Gun Rights Republican Tea-Party folks never forget about John Hinckley, Jr. -- the pro-gun guy who "just happened" to be the one who shot President Ronald Reagan....and was the reason for the famous Brady Handgun Law. p.s., the prosecution said Hinckley was sane, and 100% responsible for his actions.

sparky1028, how about you at least TRY to tell the 100% unvarnished complete truth? Here's a hint, and this is for only ONE of your dumb-bass claims: That "Fast and Furious" debacle you highlighted blew up, not because gun-rights folks "got suspicious", but -- and here's the TRUTH of it -- GUNS THAT WERE SEIZED IN PREVIOUS ARRESTS WERE FOUND DURING ARRESTS OF DRUG CARTEL MEMBERS!!!!

Given that you can't bother to tell the TRUTH about that, the rest of your post is likely as full of deliberate lies as well.

I like reading these posts. The guy wasn't really shot at a gun show (I've been to many and they don't allow loaded weapons); he was outside, but it's a catchy headline.

I'm a liberal, lawyer, democrat that worked for Obama as a volunteer.

Romney CWQ - When I called 9-1-1 on July 15, 2005, in Houston (4th largest city in the USA) as a convicted felon high on drugs and delusional was trying to push his way into my home at 4:00 a.m. I was told that there were no units in service to help me. So much for just calling the police for help. I tried to talk him down for 15 minutes: leave your car in my driveway, I'll pay a taxi to take you home, think of your family, I'll give you money to just leave, etc. He knew better! He announced he had a Glock in his car and was coming into my house (he heard the conversation that the police weren't coming until after their breakfast). I told my family not to stand behind me as he may actually have a gun; he did. When he pulled it out from behind his back, I shot him 3 times in the heart at 21 feet. I called 9-1-1 after the shooting; they still did not have any units in service. The operator actually asked if I still needed the police. Another 15 minutes passed before the police arrived (the guy was already getting cold). The local news reported my death. The NRA national radio (CAM in the morning) interviewed me. If I didn't have handguns, that worthless thug would be alive. My reward is that I now have a permanent criminal record for murder (though no-billed, and 90% of the population doesn't no what no-billed means).

Lastly, in my 40 years of law enforcement and criminal defense law I know of no defendant that acquired his weapon legally.

correction "know" not "no"

Quacked,

Couple of problems with your posts. First, the Brady Bill was intoduced by Chuck Schumer D of NY and passed a Democrat controlled house and senate in 1993 (Republicans took control in 1995). The vote count on the bill would suggest it was largely along party lines but I have not verified that information.

As to your list of "supporters", you do realize that several of them, while they may have possessed guns at some point in time, they did not use a gun to commit their crimes. Perhaps if you listed only people that committed crimes with a gun your argument would support some conclusion. The problem is that in your own list you prove that people can kill with or without a gun.

As to your assertion on John Hickley; to this day he is serving time in a mental institution because he was found "not guilty by reason of insanity". It would truly help your case if you got at least a few of your facts right before you blather and whine about everyone else being wrong or ignorant.

Quacked: So...you believe that John Hinckley Jr. was sane? A guy who thought it would be a good idea to shoot a president to impress an actress, Jody Foster, that he had a crush on? Because the prosecution SAID he was sane?

I guess if it was said by an attorney during a trial, it HAS to be a fact, huh?

Quacked,

The person that doesn't know John Hinckley was insane is calling me a dumbass. That has got to be the funniest thing I have read all day.

One thing I do know is that this guy is a republican

NRA Member, I was referring to your collapsed post at 1.18. I haven't read all these pages, You may have more but there are just too many pages to read them all.

If gun owners are responsible, then why shouldn't they be able to carry loaded guns at a gun show? Or why when purchasing a gun at the show can't they just load-up right there? I have read that people say loaded guns should be allowed in schools, churches or just about anywhere. If its supposed to be safe for the public to have loaded guns at other venues, then why aren't the pro-gun lobbyist be calling for the right to carry at gun shows? Its puzzling and counter intuitive don't you think?

@ P. Heckler: Though I'm not an attorney, and you probably already thought of it, my first question would be, 'Is there any way to get the record expunged? Even if it's through the Governor's office?' Just a thought.

Give guys like these their own island, and let them have all the guns, religion and no taxes they want.

Dem in Texas - they won't be happy until this country resembles a Yemen or a Somalia - everyone armed to the teeth and no government to speak of.

Amused,

That would probably be because at a gun show pretty much anyone from little Cindy Loo who is only two to Great Grandpa Joe who is ninety fo can come in and pick up a gun and look at it. If the show operators and patrons all have guns that are empty then it makes it irrelevant who picks up the gun because the worst thing they can do is be forced to buy it if they break it.

As far as guns in other venues; in my state, I can carry a loaded gun into any building except a police station, lock up facility, or a court room where a trial is in session. That includes schools of all levels, churches of all denominations, sporting events of all types and I could even carry at a gun show because they have no legal authority to ask me for my weapon or to even ask me to unload it at this point. However, I do refrain from carrying most of those places for the sake of civility and because I don't want to answer questions from anti-gun zealots or the police in the event someone accidentally sees my weapon or one of my loaded mags.

P.S. My state is not the only one like this. You may even be living in one and not know it.

Sparky, any Church, bar, sporting event location and gun show may, at any time, at any location in ANY state prohibit you from carrying a gun into the building. They are private businesses which can choose to not allow guns into them.

The same thing applies to any location. The owners/operators can choose to not allow guns in them. As owners of the builiding, they can require that you submit to a search in order to enter. So long as it is not a publicly owned and operated location, there is nothing you or any other gun owner can do about it. If you attempt to force your way in with a gun, you would be tresspassing, and become a crimininal. If you strike someone, while holding a gun, that is a felony. If convicted, you lose your right to own a firearm. So, if you want to keep the right to carry a firearm wherever you want, don't try to carry a firearm where it is not wanted.

As to this person, it just goes to prove the gun owners motto "guns don't shoot people, idiot gun owners do."

Guess you haven't noticed that the DOJ and ATF are using the "Fast and Furious" op where they intentionally allowed guns to walk across the border to clamp down on the rights of people in southern border states. You probably don't realize that there are e-mails from admin sources that suggest this be done.

Sparky. Sweety. I'll type real slow for you. There is no plan, secret or otherwise, to repeal the right to bear arms in this country. There is no plan to take away your guns, or the guns of any red-blooded American in any state, border or otherwise. Effective licensing is meant to keep guns out of the hands of kooks and criminals - unfortunately the desire to make a buck by some of our stupider "patriots" means that anyone can do a deal out of the back of a pick-up in a parking lot and people that really shouldn't have weapons end up with them anyway.

Fast and Furious was a sting operation meant to track the movement of guns from this country to Mexico. It was mishandled and is now being misrepresented by the hysterical gun lobbyists in order to generate $$$ and votes. The "dey's gonna take ur guns!" fear mongering done by the rw and the NRA in this country is shameless and unnecessary. Knock it off, would ya?

Pedestrian,

Thank you for the condescending tone, but you really haven't got a clue do you? If you did I wouldn't be able to go out and read the e-mails from admin officials that have been made public by CBS and others. You know, nasty little e-mails discussing whether or not the case could be used anecdotely to restrict the sale of guns.

Now tell me, has CBS suddenly become a Right Wing news outlet? Nope, didn't think so.

While they may not actually remove the right for you to purchase or bear arms, they can, as they have in some areas set the bar so high that the average Joe or Jane does not have the ability to purchase or bear arms. Take for example I beleive its Washington DC. You have the right to purchase a gun so long as you take a class in the use of firearms. However, in order to take the class you have to travel outside the city because shooting ranges are not allowed in the city. And if you wish to purchase a gun after you have received said training, you also have to go outside the city because gun dealerships are not allowed either. And if you dare to manage to pass the class and acquire the gun; it can't be stored in operable condition (loaded) in your home.

OF course let's turn back to "Fast and Furious" for a moment since you say it was a "sting" operation. Was it really? I mean did they tell the Mexican government that they were doing this and to be ready in case a few guns escaped past the border? No. Did they actually try to intercept the guns at the border before they crossed into Mexico? No. Have they arrested hundreds of straw buyers to stop further sales? No. Have they arrested anyone in connection with this operation? Perhaps I missed it, but as far as I can recall I have only seen record of one person being arrested. So, lots of operation, but very little sting.

dirp,

You are actually incorrect. The places I mentioned with the exception of schools are open to the public and generally must allow public access to the extent that it is not detrimental to the activity going on at the location. This means a law abiding, gun carrying citizen may enter. And no, the security guard standing watch at the door does not have the authority to lay hands on you for any reason unless you are being a detriment to the activity going on at the location. And since I have a written ruling from the state AG to back that statement, I don't think you're going to overrule the AG.

Sparky: Lucky guy(?)! Let me guess. The state with pretty much no restrictions on a law abiding citizen owning a gun, the lowest gun crime rate in the nation, and begins with the letter 'V'.

Am I close? ~_o

{Okay, maybe AK or AZ. But doubtful...}

are you talking about the link between US guns in Mexico making the case for restricting sales on multiple "long gun" sales, Sparky? Is that your "smoking gun" so to speak? I can't imagine why anyone would have any objection to someone walking in to a gun dealer and buying 20 or 30 rifles at once. No ulterior motive there, just another fine upstanding citizen, eh? And I'm sure it would make everyone feel much safer if they knew their neighbors had a stockload of dozens of guns and thousands of rounds of amno tucked away. You all have lost your effing marbles if you think that any communication to come out of F&F in any way implies that the Obama administration plans or even wishes to keep Americans from exercising their right to bear arms. As usual, you have to take things way too far and try to whip up hysteria among the masses. It's disgusting how the right uses this to manipulate people.

Oh, and about that DC example you use? What is your objection to gun safety classes? A quick google search shows that it's not quite as difficult as you suggest.

Sparky: I, as a building owner, can decide what rules apply to anyone entering my building. If I decide that each and every person entering my building is subject to search, if you want to enter my building, you will be subject to search. If you don't want to be searched, you don't have to enter my building, very simple.

I, as a private building owner, get to decide what is or is not allowed in my building. As such, I get to decide that I don't want alcohal, hazardous materials or firearms in my building. There is no law, in particular the US Constitution, which requires that I allow some gun toting yahoo into my building without my permission.

Didn't take Plaxico Burris long to become a repeat offender.

Agreed that he may need to take an additional safety course or refresher. However, accidents do happen and he showed enough sense to not aim the gun towards others and attempted to hold the muzzle down which is how he shot himself in the leg. Accidents inevitably happen but compared to other topics like driving, firearm accidents happen in relatively low percentages in comparison with the number of firearm owners per capita. Saying that he should never be allowed to have a firearm again or that someone "should take his guns" from him for this is as unfair as permanently confinscating someone's car and DL for being in an accident.

cnorton- hahah. He showed sense by not pointing the gun at others, huh?

This is why we don't want too many gun control laws...in the end, the herd will thin itself out with its own weapons.

That's actually true. Very rare is the occasion where a gun is used in self defense. If you own a gun, the likelihood of you shooting yourself (Or your children shooting another) is far greater.

Give them to the altar boys at the Catholic Church

hey norton - you need to change your moniker! The snake is now eating its tail! You need an update! The t-party fad is over! gone....kaput!

BTW: how did that work out for ya? give palin and Dick army lots of your money?

You're right. The gun is rarely used, as in "fired". Showing that you are armed usually makes the problem find somewhere else to be.

orisis-667199...Very, very dangerous comment to make. Even implying that is foolhardy.

I have instructed many people in the use of firearms for self defense. The rule is simple: You do not brandish a weapon/firearm in the hope of intimidating an assailant. Once the weapon clears the holster, you are already past the point of negotiating, intimidating or reaching a mutually beneficial compromise.

You never pull a weapon that you don't fully intend to use for its intended purpose.

You never pull a weapon that you don't fully intend to use for its intended purpose.

This might be a dumb question but are there training facilities that teach how to draw a gun in certain scenarios (car jackings, abductions, etc.)? We have ranges around here that train on gun safety, but I'm more concerned about protecting myself outside of the home...

Everyone that misspells or uses bad grammar on this post should have their computer taken away from them.

CNORTON

Agreed that he may need to take an additional safety course or refresher. However, accidents do happen

So you also call this an ACCIDENT ? Really ?

I pray you don't own any guns.

There's a difference between an 'accident' and NEGLIGENCE !

You know maybe there's more to this story than we know. Maybe this guy was reacting by pulling the trigger because he felt threatened. Perhaps the voices emanating from inside his tin foil hat warned him that his leg was about to kick the crap out of him and that deadly force was needed. They teach us in CHL class to try to negotiate out of a potentially dangerous encounter. But, sometimes the other party is beyond reason and you have to take action. I think this is called Advanced Restless Leg Syndrome. There is medication available to treat this condition that doesn't contain gunpowder and or a full metal jacket.

AnIndividual

What does CNorton's moniker have to do with the Tea Party?

It's called a Gadsden Flag. A very important "symbol" of our country's history! Might want to look it up!

Journal journal You must be read The Brady Bunch's misinformation booklet. "Guns" are used for self defense and in the defense of others about 2.5 million times a year. The largest majority of the time they are never fired, just shown.

Journal Journal (Et al.)

Repost from #1.41

This is probably one of the most played out myths of all time, right up there with the shooter on the grassy knoll.

The "statistics" you are referring to, are by a study done in 1986 by Arthur Kellerman...his study was extremely biased. Kellermans study looked a group of people who were victims of a homicide, he excluded any non homicides, which meant anybody wounded by a handgun or scared off by a handgun, and he said, "who are these people that are the victims", and decided that "family members" were anybody living in the house, or known to anyone living in the house...so a drug dealer and a junkie would be "family", so many seedy relationships were included as family....He excluded all the positive uses of a handgun in self defense, which eliminates about 92% of self defense uses, based on the Klegg study from the Univ of Florida, which determined how many times a weapon was used in self defense in the home, and 92% of the time, a weapon was displayed, no shots were fired, and no one was killed.

Even looking at raw numbers, there are about 300 million people in this country, and approximately half of them have guns, and in order for your statistics to have validity, we'd be seeing huges numbers of homicides or mass killings.

No need for me to restate what's already correct....

OverPaid - You are correct. Accidents are the results of deliberate acts/chain of events with unintended outcomes. A drunk speeding down the wrong side of the road is not involved in an accident. However, the other car that he hits is involved in an accident. Had the drunk changed any part of his actions (broke the chain) he would not have caused an accident (for the others).

gj Mike for pointing out what the guy had done wrong for starters. watch him end up a posterboy for gun control. he'll be on some talkshow looking for donations to end what rights to bear arms. might have done it intentionally for all we know. who's that stupid?

lets see if i earned postin priviee's yet.

I know a cop who shot his foot when he put his gun in it's holster. Something on the belt triggered the gun. Weird....but true. Does not have to be your finger. This guy is as cautious as they come and really smart and down to Earth.

Just sayin......be careful out there.

I always love that argument. How about "Don't have a gun and this won't happen?" That works pretty good too. I can do anything I want, all day long, with my trigger finger, and nobody gets shot. Not me, not you, and not the guy across the street.

Or the Barney Fife Award

Honestly, there's not enough info in this story (MSNBC, what are the odds of that?) to warrant jumping to any conclusions.

Was it an accidental discharge due to weapon malfunction? Was he hit directly or from ricochet?

What's wrong with reloading in the parking lot? He couldn't have a loaded weapon in the gun show, so he probably unloaded it in the parking lot, went to the show, then reloaded it in the parking lot. So what? Should he have reloaded the gun sometime in the future when he really needed it? An unloaded personal defense weapon is just a really pathetic boat anchor.

If you've handled weapons for a long time, you've had an AD. If you've driven a car for a long time, you've had a ticket. If you've been married for a long time (or any time at all), you've had an argument. @!$%# happens. Get over it.

Couldn't agree more Mike...couldn't agree more!

bobmck-751368,

Agreed , we have not been given enough details to determine exactly how this "accident" occured.

I'm amazed at all the comment's that conclude that this guy mis handled a firearm.

There could have been fault or malfunction of the weapon / firearm? Or possibly the ammunition used could have been defective ,,,,or as you mentioned it could have been a misfire or riccochett of a round ??

A loaded weapon that has the action or trigger jarred could also cause the a misfire ( colt revolvers ,"leave the hammer on an empty chamber ")

I feel bad for the guy , he's certainly got a lesson in fire arm safety ( he's got a good point of refernce !) Glad he did not injure anyone else

Bobmck- I totally disagree. I have been around weapons / firearms all of my life and have never had an accidental discharge (AD). I would agree that some folks become complacent when handling firearms and that can lead to tragic outcomes. Precaution is the standard. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded, and keep the muzzle pointed downrange and not at anything you do not intend to shoot. Always know your target and a safe backstop beyond it. Keep your finger out of the trigger guard until you are ready to fire the weapon. Follow these tenets of basic firearm safety and eliminate so called "accidental discharges" completely.

@Mike,

I had an accidental discharge in the back of my 56 Chevy one time, and thank God it was a blank...Close call!!!

dano- Good one! This is my weapon. This is my gun. This one's for killing. This one's for fun.

The report explains why he shot himself. He was reloading. He should have been unloading.

Mike-2522242:

You don't need this guy to make gun fans look bad.

Uh, the point of a Darwin Award is the person has to die, genius.

"If you've handled weapons for a long time, you've had an AD. If you've driven a car for a long time, you've had a ticket. If you've been married for a long time (or any time at all), you've had an argument. @!$%# happens. Get over it."

Perhaps the most moronic comment I've ever read. If you own a gun then I pity the people on your immediate vicinity, because with that "get over it" attitude you are utterly unqualified.

People don't die from arguments.

People don't have accidental discharges because guns or ammunition are defective, half-wit. They have them because of complacency. They have them because their idiot finger was on the trigger when it shouldn't have been. Which is why you keep the gun pointed in a safe direction and keep your idiot finger off the trigger unless and until you're in the process of shooting something.

What if a child of yours had been in that parking lot, half-wit? What if he/she were six feet under right now because of that idiot?

"You don't need this guy to make gun fans look bad."

No, you just have to read bobmck and carribeanslim's imbecilic comments above. They, along with the idiot in the parking lot, are the best friends the anti's could have.

Get over yourself Mark C,!!!

What I was saying is there is not enough information that describes how this accident occured. You sound very ignorant yourself making the statements that you make ,,,,,,,i don't know how you could come to such a conclusion unless you have all the facts ,,,do you Mark??? ,,,,,FYI ,,I've seen a persons break action shot gun go off accidently ,when closed, he placed reloaded shotgun shells placed in the barrel and it went off,,,!!

That's an example where I "did" see an "accidental discharge" !!!

Eugene Sax- I am not sure I understand your ambiguous post. Are you saying that everyone who likes guns are inately bad people?

MarKC - I did not realize that there was a hard and fast rule that a person must die in order to win a Darwin Award. It would seem that self inflicted mutilation of any part of the body would be a qualifier.

Regarding so called "accidental discharge", there is a known history of mechanical failure specific to the action of the Remington 700. Though I believe that many of the cases involving said firearm probably included factors contributed by those in possession / control of the weapon at the time of "accidental discharge". Regardless, the following of rules specific to keeping a weapon pointing downrange, treating it as if loaded, knowing the intended target and a safe backstop, are all critical to minimizing gun related injuries.

Mike-2522242:

No, I know better than that; it's just hard to tell from the pro-gun crowd that hangs out here.

Eugene Sax - I am certainly what I would consider pro-gun as opposed to anti- gun, however, I would consider myself pro-constitution first. As mentioned, I am a former law enforcement officer (retired), and fully support the right of citizens to lawfully bear arms.

And there lies the problem IMHO.

The Constitution was ratified 225 years ago, during a time when men had enough balls to go face-to-face if they wanted to shoot each other. Of course, they also used single-shot weapons that took forever to reload, and gave no guarantee of killing even if a direct hit were made.

Fast-forward to now: A modern handgun can have its clip emptied and replaced in the same time it took to fire those old-time weapons, more accurately and with more potential victims.

The Founding Fathers didn't consider scientific progress in granting 2nd Amendment rights, nor did they consider America would become a hunting ground for psychos, drug dealers, and high school kids that can't handle a break-up. They were smart enough to leave the Constitution open for "updating", maybe it's time Washington regained some that intelligence and looked into updating some ancient laws, as does happen on a regular basis across America.

Eugene Sax - What you say is only a partial truth. You fail to mention that the founding fathers did recognize the right of an individual to self protection, and the right of the people to defend themselves from the tyranny of their own government. As well, the founding fathers recognized the rights of an individual in his or her pursuit of happiness. Not every firearm owner is interested in self protection nor are they the member of a militia. Some owners are collectors, others enjoy hunting or competitive shooting sports.

With regard to the Constitution, I think it is important that we remember that many Americans have sacrificed to defend and protect all that it guarantees. How could we expect others to do the same if such guarantees were subject to change? With regard to "psychos, drug dealers, and high school kids who can't handle a break up", we will always have those and similar segments of society, and certainly they are reasons for an individual to have the ability to protect themselves. There are also laws on the books to address such malicious people, and it is up to our government to uphold such laws. Certainly crimes commited while in possession of or use of a firearm should be dealt with harshly so as to have a deterrent value. But let's not go down the slippery slope of meaningless "gun control" laws that would deprive lawful citizens of their rights including firearm ownership, by enacting more laws that would do little to protect us from violent crime.

You want self-protection? Get a taser. No blood, and you get to laugh as the tased wets himself and jerks around horribly. Also, since burglaries normally occur when nobody's home, exactly how much "protection" does a gun provide? Absolutely none, but that gun is a nice prize for the guy robbing you blind.

Collectors can remove firing pins. Problem solved.

Hunting/target practice: You have plenty of options there, you don't need a handgun.

"There are also laws on the books to address such malicious people, and it is up to our government to uphold such laws."--Fantastic, said laws really work wonders AFTER someone is killed with a handgun. Or do you mean the laws preventing the sale of handguns to "dangerous" people who always manage to gain possession of a handgun anyway?

"I think it is important that we remember that many Americans have sacrificed to defend and protect all that it guarantees. How could we expect others to do the same if such guarantees were subject to change?"--Not everybody who has sacrificed for "the document" believed in everything "the document" said, nor does everyone alive believe in "the document" verbatim. Parts of it are simply outdated and non-applicable in modern society. It needed to be amended for Prohibition, and again when Prohibition failed miserably. It was modified to allow women the right to vote. It can be amended again to do something about handguns. But NO! We refuse to admit/discuss that, huh? We just look the other way and shout "Constitutional rights!" as another child gets mowed down in a drive-by.

The other issue with the Second Amendment right to bear arms is that the SCOTUS, and most modern readers, forget the first part "A well regulated militia..." At the time, most countries did not have standing armies. None of the colonies or states had a permanent, professional army. The country needed its people to have arms so they could be called up, fully armed, ready to go to war.

That was the point of the Second Amendment. Not so that the 90% of gun owners could run around sayin' that they own a gun and if someone broke into their house they'd kill 'em. Certainly not to allow the gang bangers, drug dealers and other criminals to have guns so that the "innocent people won't have theirs taken away by the gubment"

That was the first thing I was ever taught, and taught repeatedly.

No big deal, he just had an "accidental discharge." It couldn't have been his fault, he did nothing wrong, he was just standing there and "pow," the gun accidentally shot him. No big deal.

Next thing on his shopping list will be full body armor....

He should just buy a cap gun and save the real ones for people who know how to use them.

Not many, other than maybe the kid behind the counter selling the Cokes.

Or the one who was "the only one professional enough to handle this Glock".

That guy was classic! LOL

Or the DEA agent who perforated himself at a school while 'teaching' a class.

That's the "professional" guy I referred to. It was just as he was saying this that he fired the gun into his foot. It's not hard to find the video on the internet. I believe the guy's name was Paige. He later sued the DEA for "blowing his cover" by letting the video get out.

That was a hilariously scary vid.

I would say it might be "ironic" but why karma. Was the retired cop deserving of the hit?

Also (sorry about the split)

I KNOW same thing happened in St. Paul in the parking ramp at the "festival of Nations". Are you sure your story might not be this one a little detail adjusted?

Or is Minnesota in need of a heavily funded study of some kind?

"Bottom line it can happen to anyone." No, it can only happen to people who play with guns, especially those who play with guns without proper care and/or training.

I own a Glock 23. Never had to worry about an accidental discharge when (re)loading it, because my finger is not inside the trigger guard unless I'm pointed at a target and intending to fire.

My guess is, you don't own a Glock.

You really have to work at shooting yourself with a magazine loaded semi-automatic. And if you carry with a round in the chamber, you're a fool.

As a law enforcement officer, I carried a Glock as a service weapon and also owned one as a personal carry / off duty weapon. Over the years on the job and after, I loaded and unloaded those weapons much more frequently than the average owner. I used a standard method of loading and unloading and could do it blindfolded. It is simple to avoid such incidents by keeping your finger outside the trigger guard.

Did it not occur to him to make sure the chamber was empty before reloading? What happened to basic gun safety?

@Brian: I know a Marine who's owned 2 gun shops in his life. Both had their share of holes in the wall from people bringing in their "unloaded" gun to sell. Not surprisingly, he credits those experiences for his misanthropic tendencies.

@Brian1075075

You don't know much about guns do you? This is the preferred method for concealed carry, condition 1, especially for 1911 style semi autos (cocked and locked with one in the chamber). If you have to take the time to rack a round during an emergency, you'll probably die.

Chuck -

I know a fair amount about guns. This is only the preferred method to carry for the paranoid or trouble seeker. If you don't have a second to draw your weapon and chamber a round from an otherwise peaceful setting it's because you're not paying attention.

it doesn't say what kind of gun it was , depending on the year it was made or who made the gun, it might not have a safety

ChuckinOlathe, your telling me you need to pull and fire in less than a second, and you can determine who the good guys and bad guys are in that period of time. Or do you just shoot first and let God sort 'em out. It takes less than a second to pull and rack a shell if you're practiced. This also gives you time to determine who you're shooting and what's beyond it. Carrying cocked with one in the chamber is a great way to shoot yourself as you're hurriedly drawing in a tense situation. Even a cop, who may have one in the chamber, because they know they may be going into an unstable situation, isn't going to walk around with their sidearm cocked.

Hope you don't shoot yourself, the gun control nazis don't need anymore help.

@ChuckinOlathe - you may have a problem, but by the time I have brought the weapon (1911 model 45 semi) up to fire, I have "sling shoted" a round into the chamber, all in one motion. But then, I am kinda an old fart and this was the standard side arm when I was in the military so I am pretty familiar with it.

Jeremiah77 - while I totally agree with most of what you say, I have seen numerous law enforcement officers carrying their 1911 style 45's cocked - has to do with the grip safety and the fact that this weapon is single action and not double action as numerous newer semi weapons are.

Im guessing he was probably unloading rather than loading the weapon when it discharged.

Pray tell us: How does one reload a chamber that is NOT empty to begin with?

How else do you shoot yourself while you're reloading a gun?

Glocks (17, 22, 19, 23, 21 etc) come with a standard factory 5.5 lb. trigger installed you can change it to 3.5 lb.....or any heavier or lighter you want, just like almost every other gun/rifle in this world..........

If a semi-auto I would guess he had chambered a round in the barrel .....or he had a revolver and was possibly de-cocking it(loaded of course).......

Brian, have you ever heard the 21 foot rule? An assailant can cover 21 feet before you can draw and aim your weapon. How much ground do you think they could cover if you add chambering a round? Maybe an extra 15 feet? That could be the difference between life and death.

If you dont feel comfortable carrying with a round in the chamber, switch to a revolver. Claiming that people are paranoid for carrying with a round in the chamber is ignorant and offensive. Please, for the safety of yourself and those you may someday have to defend, rethink your entire carry system, and get some reputable training!

lolfatty: I think the point was that you cannot REload a weapon that was never properly UNloaded. If there's a round in the chamber, it was not unloaded to begin with...it was still loaded, therefore, not able to be reloaded.

I think the point was that you cannot REload a weapon that was never properly UNloaded. If there's a round in the chamber, it was not unloaded to begin with...it was still loaded, therefore, not able to be reloaded.

So you're just whining over semantics? Or do you not understand that someone could have a round chambered in the barrel while they had otherwise removed the magazine?

Well, there's always bound to be at least a few people dumber than he is, so.....

Who would ever trust you after that.

Gun toting, trigger happy NRA members, thats who.

Time to take your medicine Mr. Meanest one. You'll have to get get off the computer now because your group therapy is about to begin. Don't forget that today is visiting day here at the Asylum.

"Gun toting, trigger happy NRA members, thats who."

That would be a joke.....right???

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't these the kind of things that NRA members detest the most?

There's no reason to carry an unloaded gun that's used as a concealed (or open, where legal) carry weapon. Had he encountered a situation where he needed to defend himself, an unloaded gun becomes a really expensive rock.

I keep my concealed carry weapon loaded at all times.

Trampa,your liberalism is showing again as it does in everything you post on a daily basis.

There's no reason to carry an unloaded gun that's used as a concealed (or open, where legal) carry weapon. Had he encountered a situation where he needed to defend himself, an unloaded gun becomes a really expensive rock.

I keep my concealed carry weapon loaded at all times.

Unless you're a complete F**k wit.

"I keep my concealed carry weapon loaded at all times."

It's likely the reason I am a liberal but I never wake up in the morning wondering where is my gun? Nor do I ever miss not having one during the day. And in my 50 + years on this planet cannot recall an instance in my life where a gun was needed. That includes stints working in South Chicago, Compton (LA) and Wynewood Village (Dallas, Tx).

Oddly I never wake up in the morning feeling oppressed by my government either? The only reason I have ever considered getting a gun is because of my crazy right leaning neighbors who own arsenals. In the end I decided I was not joining their insecurity and paranoia.

Vox, I used to agree with you. Being from NYC, the last thing we needed was concealed weapons in the streets, loaded or not.

I've since moved out of the city and now I can understand why people want guns. Not long ago, a girl near my age (25) was picked up outside a bar, gang raped in a car and dumped in the street. They found one of the rapists. He was sentenced to one year in prison, despite adequate evidence. This happened about 15 minutes from where I live in an area of town that's gentrified. It's an absolute disgrace.

Had she had a gun, she could have put him where he belongs: six feet under.

I'm young and I live alone. I have a security system but, realistically, how quickly can the police get to my house? I kind of want to learn how to shoot a gun.

The only thing that is preventing me from taking the first step towards gun ownership (whatever that step would be - anyone know?) is the fact that I live in a townhouse community with a lots of people.

Ah,yes, the "I've never been a victim" mindset. Hope you never have the experieince that makes you change your mind.

I'm a conservative and I wake up every morning thankful for all of my MANY guns. In my 24 years on this planet I can recall 1 time where I wish I had a gun and 1 time where I was glad I did. I live in a small, safe town in GA. I watched a man put a gun in my dad's face. No one had a gun on them so we were all just thankful to GOD dumba$$ didn't pull the trigger. Will not happen again!!!! The other time my gun stopped some cracked out idiot from robbing my business. I thank GOD I didn't have to pull the trigger, just made a show. Don't ever think it will not happen to you.

One could presume that he may be safe at home...it's the getting there part that is the worry.

Vox-- I'm glad you have never had the need to own or even use a firearm in self defense. But I am 35 years old and have had to use my weapon to protect my family in our home. I also carry concealed not because I think I am Rambo or want to kill someone, but I also keep a fire extinguisher in my home. Not that I am paranoid of fire, but I'm not stupid enough to believe that something bad will never happen. I would rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. Keep living in your bubble, I'm sure there arent anymore drive bys where you were in LA either, just when you left because they were so scared of you and your fists and cute blue Prius.

Tampa / Vox

You make it sound stupid or paranoid....... I used to feel the same way about seat belts..... :)

.....by the way shooting sports are very popular and getting more popular everyday/weekend..... so not everyone buys a gun for just protection.......USPSA/IPSC

PH: if the girl had had a gun, she would likely be dead and yet another criminal would have a gun. If she was not paying attention to her surroundings such that she was "picked up outside a bar" she was likely intoxicated and would not have been able to use the gun.

Look at statistics, stories where gun owner actually defended themselves with gun 2-3, people wounded or killed accidently, thousands.

The mis-interpretation of the second amendment by the US Supreme court is the worst tragedy this country has ever had.

If the girl had the appropriate training, she'd shoot to kill. If she was carrying a weapon, she would most likely be trained to be aware and probably careful about the amount she was drinking. Of course, we can't go back in time to her particular situation because she didn't have a gun and was likely drinking but, personally, it makes me want to learn how to carry a weapon so that I can better protect myself.

Call me naive but it's a big deal for an average, law abiding woman to train, purchase and carry a gun! A woman already in that frame of mind isn't going to be stumbling drunk out of a bar.

And, in fairness to this girl, she wasn't wasted. She went out the front door to take a phone call.

PH, if you're thinking in terms of possible gun ownership, I would suggest going to a gun store, not to buy, but to get information on available classes that address home security issues, teach beginners to shoot, or whatever other information you need. Take at least one class so you can get professional advice on your concerns & have facts on the issues, so you can make up your mind concerning your particular circumstances.

That and teach your women to stay out of bars. Nasty places, full of low lifes intent on drinking and picking up women.

BTW.... see you tonight at the Do Drop Inn, they're having a special on Margaritas.

Thanks Bubbacat! Great comment. I need to explore this much more. I'm not sure I'd actually have the guts to own a gun, but I've been thinking about it lately. Guns are pretty common where I live - it's a hunting state.

My boyfriends cousin loves to go to the range - he and his wife keep a gun in the home under lock and key as well. She has trained extensively on it because she is most often home alone with the children.

Before I did anything, I would seek out professional help and advice. I may even take a martial arts course as well, since I have experience with kick boxing and that feels more natural.

No, Ol' Forrest knew how to handle a gun. Remember, not only was he a grunt fifleman, but he was also a tunnel rat.

I second that motion. But ask this one question. Who loads a weapon of any kind with their finger inside the trigger guard?

You have to remove yourself from the gene pool by killing or castrating yourself to qualify for a Darwin.

Sorry my bad .

I wonder how many gun owners drove their guns to work? I'll bet it was zero.

Have a nice day.

Thank you, there is no such thing as an "accidental discharge". Safeties are mechanical devices that can fail, safe gun practices can never fail. If more people took the time to learn the rules of gun safety things like this would never happen.

And here come all the gun lovers to quickly blame this guy for Not Knowing The Rules..

Maybe he KNEW the rules.

Maybe he was human and assumed that he was immune from accidents because he never had one.

Maybe the odds that he would slip up just caught up with him.

Maybe he was tired and sloppy.

Maybe he was in a hurry to load because a shadow spooked him.

Maybe people shouldn't be carrying around dangerous guns.

If my kids were anywhere near him when it happened, he wouldn't ever need to worry about ever loading a gun again.

Have a nice day :)

shut yer yap-

It's 4 simple rules.

Modern firearms DO NOT discharge unless the trigger is pressed. Next to Rule #1, Rule#4 is the easiest one of all of them to follow. Your comments are just irrelevant.

I think people need to give credit to Philosopher Ron White a man who studies human behavior and made the observation " You can't fix stupid. There's no pill you can take; there's no class you can go to. Stupid is forever.

Adam, And it took that many comments to see the Lefty media spin.

Yes. He was not "at" the gun show.

Hopefully for his sake this idiot had a CWP to carry a loaded gun in his vehicle.

Hopefully for the rest of use his local sheriff will revoke it till he can prove he's

been apparently re-educated on proper gun safety.

It would have been more accurate to say that "Police: Man shoots self in leg outside gun show."

A more accurate headline would be "Police: Man shoots self in leg in the parking lot of a gun show." Unfortunately, that would be too long. Editors, and readers, want the short sound bite.

It doesn't even have to be a 'lefty' media spin if the police are being quoted. Gun shows do need parking as well as display spaces and people can be sloppy with their phrasing. Not all police are trained in semantics or media presentation. It would be very easy to say "at the gun show" and be talking about the show itself, the surrounding grounds AND the parking lot.

lp,

Many states don't require a CWP to carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle. In NM you don't need one to conceal a loaded gun in your car or on your person while in your car or at home or at your business (if you own it or have the owner's permission). We also have NO licensing and open carry is allowed anywhere that concealed carry is. It hasn't been a problem.

Dual posting.

Man on the phone with his wife: "I'm not at the strip club. I'm in the PARKING LOT of the strip club."

This is getting too easy. I'm bored.

Have a nice day.

Because of the number of comments on it. Relevance is unimportant.

because. the anti gun folks want to gloat.

simple.

this IS great news for them.

..."because. the anti gun folks want to gloat"....

Yeah. Because "gloating" to anti-gun people is more important than fighting against dead children, violent domestic incidents, rising crime rates, teenagers with Uzis, armed robberies...

It's the GLOATING. That's what we want.

Have a nice day :)

violent domestic incidents, rising crime rates, teenagers with Uzis, armed robberies...

All of which are an every day occurance in housing projects, which we all know are just filled with Republicans.

because it's msnbc and they are anti gun, liberal nutjobs who want to support the second half of the list on post #1.18.

Two idiots at play here: (1) the gun owner, and (2) MSNBC.

Housing projects aren't usually the setting for idiots shooting themselves, or their hunting dogs doing the job for them, are they?

I'm still trying to figure out your point, Steve...

Is it that democrats are heavily armed, or that Republicans visit housing projects often enough to be scared silly enough to risk shooting themselves?

Is it that there are no poor republicans, or is it that RICH republicans are afraid of POOR Republicans?

I'm confused. Help me out.

Lots of smart people on here, today.

Have a nice day..

NC Vet: ..."Two idiots at play here: (1) the gun owner, and (2) MSNBC"...

I guess NcVet's comment is supporting the theory that corporations are people, too.

These are the people they let carry guns..

I'm amazed.

Have a nice day :)

Steve: ...."All of which are an every day occurance in housing projects, which we all know are just filled with Republican".....

You sure have learned how to dance around your inherant bigotry, haven't you? I'll pretend to be blind to it.....

....Gee Mr. Steve. Is the phrase "Housing Projects" a metaphor for something?

And, while you're at it please share with the rest of the bloggers, YOUR daily housing projects visiting routine.

LancePilot.

Us "antigun liberal nutjobs and MSNBC (BOY, they really DO think that corporations are people, don't they) are just jealous that we can't shoot ourselves in the leg like you guys, right?

Thank you, kind sirs.

Have a nice day.

Shut yer yap: thank you for those comments, so true! Steve needs to be educated to the fact that STUPID is not synonymous with any particular class or socioeconomic strata of society OR political party. In fact, Steve proves that very point by his bigoted and clearly stupid remarks!

Shut yer yap and catgoddess

Thanks for your comments. Many of these postings seem to miss the point, and to quote the NRA: guns don't kill people (and my addition) it is the idiots who use them. Here is a guy who just bought a gun, wanted a second, and shoots himself while apparently trying to re enter the show. Hm, was he so afraid of the people attending the show that he felt the need to immediately load up upon leaving the facility? I guess even gun nuts are afraid of the types of people who hang out at these shows.

Shut yer yap

It doesnt suprise me one bit that youre confused.