Obviously, whites/blacks/asians have some sort of gene disorder, their bodies can't handle meth, only Lations can, right? It's ALWAYS Latinos. It was a Latino that abducted Jaycee Dugard, a Latino that killed the person in Hollywood Park, etc.

Drugs don't kill people, people kill people. Drugs don't cause psychosis, but they will expose them. Alchohol or drugs can only bring out the real you.

Isn't it ironic that ALL the ingredients can apparently be legally purchased anywhere in America? Even in the do-gooder, rural counties of the American Bible-belt in the 'DRY' (where PROHIBITION still rules) counties, every WALMART probably has all you need... and then the high-school flunkies with barely a skill, and lacking any sense blow up their trailers and even their cars as they cook up batches before and after church...

The true causes for this 'urge to pickle their brains' maybe somewhere between widespread boredom, being stuck in poverty, a cycle of domestic violence and crime, destitution and despair over that 'the dream isn't happening'... Add to that hypocrisy, perceived and real injustice, poor education and widespread ignorance that allows a self-respecting person to get hooked on CRAP while trying to 'experience FALSE JOY in a short, miserable life'...

While this story happens to be COINCIDENTALLY about Latinos, false fingerpointing as well as the drug itself is really 'METHED-UP'....

While I agree we need to close the borders the meth problem in Northern California has nothing to do with mexico, when I lived in Redding you could walk down almost any block and smell it being cooked, I got out of there as fast as I could.

Interesting evolution of drug usage from a recent study:

Blacks --- Crack, Marijuana...addiction Numbers have been dropping since the late 90s

Whites ---- Heroin, Meth...Heroin addiction #s have dropped but Meth use steadily rising especially in the South

Hispanic---- Meth, Marijuana....Numbers for both Meth and Marijuana are rising with addiction to heroin rising among hispanics in the West coast

No solution to this unless the government tackles the illegal smuggling of drugs into the country a priority and illegal immigration, otherwise drug users are exterminating themselves with more powerful and potent emerging drugs....

That is absolutely daft. Did you not read that there are people making it IN Walmarts, homes and in cars? They aren't driving to Mexico, they are doing it right here. Your comment makes no sense other than to reveal your personal distastes for races not your own.

In the time it took most of you to read that article the U.S. spent $ 360,000.00 on the war on drugs . The war is lost . De-criminalize NOW !!

the article is about methamphetamine, which is easily cooked up in the heartland of america. farms have many of the ingredients needed and the rest can be purchased at drug stores. people can make it themselves. How would closing the borders help curb use of a drug that can be manufactured by the user right her in the good old usa. plus the majority of meth users are white, not latino. get your facts straight, you reactionary racist moron.

We are talking about meth. it is mostly cooked up in the farmlands of America because many of the ingredients are available on farms and the rest can be purchased at any drugstore.Meth is so easy to make users can cook it up themselves in their own kitchens. how would closing the borders solve the problem? That just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Also, the majority of meth users are whites from rural mid-west areas, not latinos, you reactionary, racist moron.

Ron in Seattle-2190928-2190938

If you simply hold up a mirror to all you've said then you would be correct.

Read a little more and think critically for a change.

If you want to control the meth problem, fence off the ozarks, not the mexican border. I guarantee all of you far more meth is made in Arkansas and Missouri than anywhere else in the world combined. This is a problem indicative of the poor, not of any race or creed. Meth is cheap to make and the effects are very long lasting. Folks resort to using back home because there is nothing else to do. They work, so they can pay bills, so they can get to work. What kind of life is that? So, they cook up meth to make ends meet. It is symptomatic of a much much larger problem that has absolutely nothing to do with drugs.

The war on drugs is going awfully well, isn't it?

Good thing it's criminalized, and users are treated like criminals rather than addicts, right?

Meth - not even once.

Optomyst-You're an idiot! Closing the borders has nothing to do with a bunch of trash smoking and making meth here in the US. Get real, and start making sense, you ignorant fool!

Rant! Rave! Rail on about illegals- the root of all evil!

What we really need are suicide booths, like in Futurama.

Some of you may have missed the part of the article that states that the super-labs and the nation-wide distribution is controlled by Mexican cartels.

Some of you characterize the fact that drugs are generally illegal as an American 'war on drugs' as if every country in the world doesn't also criminalize drugs. Countries recognize that these substances are harmful to its citizens individually and collectively.

rwalker-2504195

"Folks resort to using back home because there is nothing else to do. They work, so they can pay bills, so they can get to work. What kind of life is that?"

You're right. I'm just curious why those people keep voting for the right wingers that perpetuate this cycle?

Good to see politics has finally entered the conversation. Now only if someone would blame Obama or Bush.

I blame Obama..

So you think they should vote for the Dems, who will promise them never-ending Section 8 housing, food stamps, EBT cash, free cable and cell phones, free medical...the list goes on and on. Yup, things are working out real well for folks sucking off the teet of the 53% of us hard working TAX-PAYING Americans. Fact is, we've spent trillions on the War on Poverty since LBJ's presidency, and the poverty rate is still about the same. Funny how that works, eh. But just keep on circling in the oval by the candidate with D after their name. Heck, we only have to borrow 40% of what we waste....er spend, on this crap.

you people seem to think only the yahoos are doing meth. You would be very surprise who's doing meth. Football players, Baseball players, Hockey players and Baseball players. People been doing meth since the 70's and i don't remember anyone screaming about closing the border.

If you want to control the meth problem, fence off the ozarks, not the mexican border. I guarantee all of you far more meth is made in Arkansas and Missouri than anywhere else in the world combined

I call BS -- have any facts to back that up?

Here is ONE bust in Mexico for 194 TONS of precusor chemicals and this is only one of many multi ton busts lately.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2012/01/194-tons-of-precursor-chemicals-seized.html?showComment=1327014339463

Wolf

In the 70's it was Pharmaceutical Amphetamines, totally different breed of cat.

This stuff is a witches brew. Most of the ingredients are pure poison.

Similar but different, this isn't like taking a few greenies.

That being said, there are still as lot of well to do, educated people, destroying their lives with Meth.

I experimented with Meth in the late 80's for a couple of summer but never really constantly doing it. After that i didn't care for it.

I think it's up to the person's will and mind as to how much or how they're willing to go.

hi! you're a piece of shyt!

@JOregon, THANK YOU! Meth or crank from the 70's or 80's that many of us used is akin to cocaine - Crystal Meth is a whole different, dangerous beast. and yes, it is the "hillbilly cocaine" that is just making it's way to Latinos.

I say if you want to win the war on drugs, every drug user in the United States, no matter what drug it is, needs to be taken into custudy and summarily executed. The problem starts here in the US with the people who have no regards for the laws of what is right and wrong, not the people who supply them. CUT OFF THE DEMAND THERE WILL BE NO SUPPLY.

@ Optomyst- Meth is not imported from Mexico in any kind of quantity. It is so much easier to just make it here and certainly does not need importing. People make it in their house or garage, even in their car or vacant homes, in the woods or any other place they can set up their equipment. It doesn't take much and propane bottles are portable. They don't need electricity- just a place to cook up their poison. The borders have nothing to do with it.

Sunny

I wasn't thinking about the Crank of the 70's or 80's, so much as the Amphetamines of yesteryear. The athletes Wolf was talking about were mostly using Greenies. Others were using Cross Tops. Both pretty mild, even though this Chrystal stuff is certainly one of the worst things to have ever gone down the pipeline.

Lord never ceases to amazes me how many of over medicated left wing radicals jump on the bandwagon to decriminalize drug use and to legalize drugs. So in your little minds does it even register that this lady was already on drugs - murdered 4 innocent people before taking her own life. Do you honestly believe in your drug addled minds that legalization of drugs will result in less crime by those under the influence of drugs? lord you need to go to a rehab program, take off those rose tinted glasses, get a job, take some responsibility for your to date worthless existence and then perhaps might actually make a contribution to our society.

The only victims are the 2 children, the husband and cousin that were murdered by this worthless piece of @!$%#. So save me and everyone your bs arguments about legalizing drugs and decriminalizing drug use.

Actually, Ternan, decriminalizing would be a RIGHT WING thing, as well. You know? States rights, keep the GOVERNMENT out of your body, etc......

You are so obviously ignorant about your own political party, its no wonder our country is so messed up!

Ternan

2 Words

Ron Paul

(I don't support him for several reasons. He is a GOP candidate that wants to legalize the drugs)

Optomyst,

Try getting the racist myst out of your eyes. Lots of Latinos do meth there because lots of Latinos live there. That would be why all shark attacks happen in water, Duh!

What about the rampant meth problem in the rustbelt/Midwest for the last thirty years? I suppose that's the Latinos too.

Simple minds see simple solutions.

Steph: You do leave yourself open for ridicue when you actually write about topics you obviously know nothing about.

Now I on the other hand do actually know a fair amount about not only the Republican but also the Libertarians, socialist, Democratic and several other less mainstream political parties in the United States. No major political party in the United States supports the decriminalization of drug use or the legalization of currently illegal drugs. There has been legislation to provide balance in criminal sentences awarded for criminal use of illegal drugs essentially equalizing the penalties for all kinds of cocaine not eliminating them.

Republicans by definition support a strong interpretation of the US constitution and strongly support the Rule of Law to include strict enforcements of all laws governing the illegal use, manufacture, importation, sale and distribution of illegal drugs.

Now the issue appears to be you have little to no knowledge of our political system, and how and what our various political parties support. Easily rectified - try actually reading a book on US history, political science, US Government and its institutions and the the rise of political parties. Some additional references would be "History of the Republican Party", you could even use the WEB since I suspect reading a book might be much to much of an endeavor for you.

Now I on the other hand do actually know a fair amount about not only the Republican but also the Libertarians, socialist, Democratic and several other less mainstream political parties in the United States. No major political party in the United States supports the decriminalization of drug use or the legalization of currently illegal drugs.

Ron Paul Libertarian/GOP candidate, South Carolina GOP debate:

Q: You say that the federal government should stay out of people's personal habits, including marijuana, cocaine, even heroin.

A: It's an issue of protecting liberty across the board. If you have the inconsistency, then you're really not defending liberty. We want freedom [including] when it comes to our personal habits.

Q: Are you suggesting that heroin and prostitution are an exercise of liberty?

A: Yes, in essence, if we leave it to the states. For over 100 years, they WERE legal. You're implying if we legalize heroin tomorrow, everyone's gonna use heroin.

How many people here are going to use heroin if it were legal? I bet nobody! "Oh yeah, I need the government to take care of me. I don't want to use heroin, so I need these laws!"

The Republican Liberty Caucus

BE IT RESOLVED that the Republican Liberty Caucus endorses the following [among its] principles:

1. While recognizing the harm that drug abuse causes society, we also recognize that government drug policy has been ineffective and has led to frightening abuses of the Bill of Rights which could affect the personal freedom of any American. We, therefore, support alternatives to the War on Drugs.

2. Per the tenth amendment to the US Constitution, matters such as drugs should be handled at the state or personal level.

3. All laws which give license to violate the Bill of Rights should be repealed.

I'm thinking you don't understand the Libertarians as well as you think you do.

You guys are blaming illegals for meth? That is funny. Meth has been in the US for a long time. Where in the hell have you been. I have a friend who is a doctor in the midwest who used to say that he had a ton of people coming from hotels, the good ones, who were burned from making meth. That was in the early 90's. Most of the folks who use meth are white and yes, now it is getting into the latino community.

desertzonie - i have no way of proving that people are in the backwoods making meth, but i can say you should take a walk in the mark twain national forrest around siloam springs, mo and use your nose. you will smell it. don't forget body armor and your gun. and don't bother calling the cops. they are in on it.

When these draino smokers are arrested, they should be treated like the animals they have turned themselves into.

Put in leg irons and chained to a heavy concrete anchor in a field. Give them a small portable cover, and feed & water once a day.

In my area this drug has become an epidemic. The jails are full of draino smokers, so they have to turn these animals loose in society..

My neighbors and I go junkie hunting every night. If we didn't do the patrols our selves we would have nothing left..

You guys are pathetic.... You think people really want to voluntarily ruin their lives? You keep up your judging...thats just fine.

rwalker

This addiction is self inflicted by weak minded individuals.

Don't judge me until you are forced to deal with a "DRAINO JUNKIE" in your own family.

These junkies have Swiss cheese for brains, and are a Danger to everyone they come in contact with..!!

You think people really want to voluntarily ruin their lives

Well..If they didn't then why are they doing drugs...duh...And just think if it were legal how many more junkies would we have shotting their children and stealing manhole covers

It is a epidemic and people need something to believe in and they self medicate. Meth/heroin are cheap drugs. The real victims are the children. People should not be alowed to have children until they are proven responsible adults. If only there was an on/off button......

It is easy to go down the wrong track in this world. The only thing that has helped me in the most difficult times in my faith in Christ. It is the constant in my life. People on these drugs need intervention but they also need something to believe in.

Some rational, intelligent commentary would be appreciated. None of that here.

ban handguns and automatic weapons.

You think people really want to voluntarily ruin their lives?

Ummm.. rwalker, if you are voluntarily making the CHOICE to do drugs, then yes, you are volunteering to ruin your life. Pretty simple. Geez...........

Jac-931625

" if you are voluntarily making the CHOICE to do drugs, then yes, you are volunteering to ruin your life"

Your assumption is that we are always rational 24/7. If you've ever been drunk, then you've had plenty of opportunities to make bad decisions. If that bad decision alters your rational thinking, then you're on a downward slide. Addictive personalities are perhaps more prone to this.

I have been drunk and I made a choice to drink. So if something bad happened, it would be my own fault for choosing to get drunk in the first place. Bad decision on my part would result in something bad happening.

I do not feel bad for the homeless, junky, bums on the street because for the most part they are there based on their own decisions. I feel sorry for those that became homeless because they lost their jobs, but I have no doubt that those people are working and doing whatever they can to get back on their feet, whereas the homeless, junky, bum is content so stay on the street.

To: Jim in Auburn

I disagree with your above statements because logical decision making can be impaired.

Most importantly, the drug epidemic needs to stop and be undone. The problem isn't going away, and society, as a whole, is paying a price. Pointing blame can be useful in detering future drug use, unless that pointing blame is just saying, "well they shouldn't have done that". If you're hoping that junkies would all just die, and then the problem will solve itself, then... of course you don't think that, because it aint happening.

So, rather than us arguing about something as stupid as whether or not they should've done it in the first place, people should discuss how to best reverse the drug epidemic.

rwalker: drug use is a voluntary activity - freely entered into and freely continued. Don't want the issue of addiction then don't use drugs - not a difficult concept. No one can plead they had no idea of the dangers of drug use. No sympathy for people who chose to willingly destroy their lives and the lives of those around them. They can serve the greatest good to themselves, their family, their friends, our country and our society by completing their self induced destruction as quickly as possible.

rwalker, really? of course they don't voluntarily want to ruin their lives, but I don't see anyone being forced into doing it either. Its a personal choice and when they become a danger to themselves and or society they need dealt with. Alcohol is actually one of the worst, addictive drugs around. Alcohol has ruined more lives than meth or coke or heroin. ect...

Ternan, et al

I am totally sympathetic to your concerns, but not your lack of knowledge. Are you saying that everyone who drinks alcohol or coffee, smokes cigarettes or eats sugar to excess is on their own, without any support from the society?

Are you really saying you have no sympathy for a teenager who falls under the influence of bad associations and finds themselves overwhelmed by drugs that have overwhelmed many adults? That we should just pay the tens of thousands of dollars it takes to keep them incarcerated every year, instead of making any attempt at making them tax-paying members of society?

Your conclusions are not only heartless, but counterproductive to the society at large. It's not like I don't know the toothless, staggering, violent, thieves you are talking about. Yes, let's get them off the streets. But does every 17 year old girl who made the wrong choice of a boyfriend have to pay for your anger at them? Your solutions aren't just without compassion, they make no sense and cost millions.

You sound like you have gone through this personally, with a family member. So have I. My sister-in-law hit rock bottom on alcohol a few years back and called me in tears, wanting help. I spent the next three hours on the phone trying to find her some, and I'm in a major metro area with a recognized drug problem. I couldn't find her anything, neither inpatient or out;

Until this society offers treatment-on-demand for drug abusers, we can't talk about taking the drug problem seriously.

I'm so glad that you were born with the sense not to fall into anything over your head, all during your teenage years. That's quite some feat! I'm glad you never ever made a bad judgement, never thought you were too smart to get caught up in something that was more powerful than you ever imagined. Congratulations! Now maybe you can use that infinite wisdom to cut some slack for those people not as perfect as you.

Yes, there are some really disgusting druggie slimeballs out there. So do we throw away our children trying to clean it up?

What I'm getting at is that no one who starts using drugs is consciously doing it to ruin thier lives. They get into it because there are no alternatives in their own mind. With something like meth is involved, they introduce it into their lives to replace something else, and before they know it they are addicted. Way too many of you folks only see white and black. I'm not posting here to be sensational. I'm posting to provoke thought. To say someone who starts using drugs is weak, or stupid, or not a good person, is judging them. They are trying to fix something in their lives, if it looks like it or not. The same could be said of anyone taking any type of drug prescribed or not.

nobody - that is my point exactly. why is meth illegal when alcohol is not? Answer - alcohol is one of the socially acceptable drugs in our culture. How far down that hole does someone slide before someone suggests AA. Is alcohol more damaging than some of the other drugs? - Yes.

Also peole on here saying it is voluntary to become a drug addict. -FALSE. What prescriptions are your kids on? Did you ask them before you sent them down that road? If you ask me what the gateway drug is, I'd say caffine. Maybe Tylenol. We get our children addicted at a very young age. It is terrifying to hear how young children are taking ADD/ADHD drugs like Ritalin or Aderol these days. How are kids supposed to act? Like a drugged out zombie? Or are they supposed to little free spirits who haven't been indocternated into this crazy world. But we tend to put the blinders on when a doctor says its ok. Do you think Lush Rimbaugh got his first Oxycotin from a drug dealer or a legal drug dealer...oops i mean doctor?

back in the day...i used to say I feel a need for speed. Now a day, i find myself saying, i feel a need for an aspirin.

We called it the "Jenny Crank Spin Fast System, give us a week we'll take off the weight, the house, the kids, the car"

Stem fast!

Rots yer teeth, rots yer brains....cuca rotcha !!

We called druggies pumpkin heads.....in my day

Meth was called the hollywood diet........Actors like charlie sheen kinda looked and behave like he was on it. Dramatic face change, weight lost and personality disorder.

If the problem could be resolved by something as simple as alllowing drug users all the drugs they want until they overdose then I woulld certainly support that approach. This benefits society the following ways:

1. Eiminates the need for any expensive drug rehabiitation program

2. Reduces the cost of drug enforcement by simply giving drug users their drug of choice.

3. Eliminates the drug smuggling business by taking the middle man out of the business.

4. Eliminates a segment of society that frankly has no redeeming value to the Country or American society.

Now to enforce this program we would institute the following:

1. Put these folks in a controlled environment to prevent them from damaging property and harming anyone else other than themselves.

2. Give them their drug of choice and in a sufficient quantity to assist in their pursuit of the life here after.

3. A time limit is established to ensure the process does not go on forever - a week or perhaps we could extend it out to even a month to complete their journey to nirvana through a drug overdose.

Ternan,

And if your otherwise Innocent 16 year old daughter was slipped drugs by a boyfriend and because of her innocence, found herself quickly over her head, then your solution is to give her drugs until she dies from them, without any of this 'expensive drug rehabilitation program' crap.

What a truely compassionate human being you are.

20 years ago most Latino's did not even know what Meth was

Ah, yes, the sweeping BS generalization based on nothing.

20 years ago, Angeles National Forest was FULL of Meth labs, Randog.

Most of the methamphetamine available in the Los Angeles HIDTA region is produced in Jalisco, Sonora, and Sinaloa, Mexico, and is smuggled across the California-Mexico border for local and national distribution.

h-t-t-p://www.justice.gov/ndic/pubs23/23937/product.htm

What was that you were you saying again?

Yes, if a Latino is here legally, it's okay to call them American.

And yes, 20 year ago, things were different. That was then, this is now.

RandogM: You may not know this but you go back 50 years, before crystal meth was popular, it was all speed in pill form. Bennies, dexies and black beauties. They almost all came from Mexico, smuggled across the border and very much in demand with truckers. They usually came in jars of a thousand pills. I don't know how many Latinos were using them but they sure as hell were selling them. So your little tale of 20 years ago and Latinos didn't know what speed was is b.s. I speak from personal experience, not anecdotal stories or fantasy like you. If you are going to make a statement make sure it is factual.

HAHAHA
what another load of wishful thinking & dis-information there AZ"native"...!
Yes Speed did come across the border but it was TOURISTS from the USA bringing the cheap & Pharmaceutical manufactured drugs back across because they needed NO prescription !
AND, just FYI... Smith-Kline-French, the biggest Pharma making Dexedrine & amp; Benzedrine & Methedrine, used to have their Sales Rep's GIVE Doctors & clinics 1000 dose JARS for free, I saw MY Physician receive 10 jars w/100 doses each of the 10 strengths & types of Speed..... all of them handed out to housewives whose " neurosis " & overweight issues were driving their lives.
OH AND one more thing.... The US ARMY handed out several types of Dexi's to servicemen in COMBAT, to "sharpen their awareness & skill" in firefights....along with Amyl-Nitrate & several other mind altering substances whose labels were never visible.

Do NOT FORGET...
the SOLE reason LSD became available to the American public was that the CIA was doing illegal experiments with it on unsuspecting human subjects, sometime captives as well !

Good research Mister Fids; enlightenment's is to free ourselves of the proproganda

Don't forget the Iran Contra affair.

Mr. Hero Reagan and Daddy Bush used CIA planes to fly Cocaine into the US contributing to the Crack epidemic of the 80's.

Of course Reagan may not have known about it. Alzheimer's possibly? Bush knew everything, as we found out AFTER he was elected President.

Legal latino does not automatically imply American. Some are here with work visas, other's are green card holders. They're legal but not Americans.

FYI, the first illegal aliens were the British, etc from overseas who murdured and raped their way across this land of Native Americans. That's how Latinos came about-the Indians and Spanish hooked up. The "illegal aliens" have a right to be here, idiots.

marlane, then why does Mexico deport the people from central and south american countries that are in their country illegally? They obviously don't have a problem with mexicans living illegally in the United States. F@cking hypocrites.

Those "Native Americans" are not indigenous to this country. The so-called Indians came across the Bering Sea from Asia which refutes your claim the British were "illegal aliens". If you are interested in rape and murder during the time of the early settlers, you might want to read the history of the internecine wars conducted by the "Indians".

No illegal alien, Latino or otherwise, has a right to be here. The word illegal should tell you that.

The Mexican's figure if they keep supplying the dumb old Americans they will all turn into meth-heads and die off and then they can just move into the land. What a way to win a war without an army, let them kill themselves.

@ Denver Native...the meth that is being supplied by the Mexicans is for monetary gain...not some sort of pharmacuetical warfare...if all Americans were to "turn into methheads and die off" there would be no reason for Mexicans to come here...not only would all Americans be dead but the opportunities our country offers ppl of all nations would cease to exist as well..that is the sole reason immigrants have flocked to America since its birth...not for the love of the land...they love the land they come from.

Has everyone forgotten that during the the speed craze of the 50's 60's and 70's, where, as Mister Fids notes, all the speed was in pill form, that the pharma corporations were manufacturing ten times the amount of amphetamines being prescribed? Something that probably was hard to do, given the level of prescriptions.

Because all the theft and misappropriation happened on the retail level, they were making THEIR money. Ninety per cent of all the speed being produced was specifically made to be stolen. I grew up in the Midwest where I was never more than one person removed from a 'bennie'. In a lot of cases, that person was my mother. That was fifty years ago, before I knew what a Latino was.

Maybe that's the problem in Az. I don't live there and can't comment. But my mother had a 'doctor-feel-good' where she got her 'mother's-little-helpers' (remember the song of the 60's?) all through the 50's and 60's. I assure you, no Latinos were involved.

Tell you what, I won't blame it all on the drug companies and you don't blame it all on one ethnic group, Deal?

Yeah, because if people if people can't start their drug life using "less dangerous drugs", then they go straight to the dangerous ones like meth, heroin and crack.

BTW, were you high when you wrote that post?

Doug

I wish that were true, but it's not. The "milder" drugs only serve as gateways to the more terrible ones. I agree that these substances should be avoided at all costs. I have a family, why on earth would i even risk using a gateway drug? It would ruin not just my own life, but many others. I don't understand why people even get involved at all.. maybe they're the children of users and never had a chance? Why would you risk everything like that?

My heart just sinks for the babies and children in these situations...

I don't believe in the term gateway drugs, I've been clean for almost 16 years now and I have only smoked pot once in my life and I hated it, meth/coke were my drugs.

Softdude-Your pic tells tells the story.

No, but I think Coke would be used way more than Meth, if cost was not so much of an issue. One tends to hear much more about problems with meth on the news than coke. From what I've seen the stuff really robs people of their souls, ethics, and general regard for anyone around them.

I know several people that would never smoke pot and only drank alcohol (mostly beer)moderately. Each one of them damn near destroyed their life with cocaine. "Gateway drugs" is just another GOP/Conservative myth. Just like how they are "fiscally conservative" inspite of the fact that the accounting ledgers say they spend like a bunch of drunken sailors.

The longer semi-literate conservative theocrats and the completely illiterate PC police remain in control of the U.S., the more I'm tempted to START doing drugs.

What moron still believes in the gateway theory. People started on milk, is that a gateway too?

softdude - Maybe if people were allowed to get high with less dangerous drugs, they would leave the really bad ones alone.

Or, you could try dealing with life without drugs and without endangering other people's lives. What a novel idea!

You mean like alcohol?

Or, you could try dealing with life without drugs and without endangering other people's lives. What a novel idea!

So it is ONLY DRUGS that cause endangerment...? More BS from the "knee-jerk section"

Did you happen to read the article this week that said...

" According to a new study from the University of Colorado-Denver, the 16 states that have legalized medical marijuana have seen an average 9 percent drop in traffic deaths since their medical marijuana laws took effect. The study analyzed data from 1990 through 2009."
LINK: http://www.insurancequotes.com/marijuana-traffic-safety/

"Softdude" that's what happens when you smoke too much weed, makes both your heads soft! You are a complete IDIOT!

Oh man, the gateway theory. You know it's good medical science when it links coincidence to causality with absolutely no physiological proof to back the findings up!

Gateway drug? Get real. The gateway is poverty and boredom. Drugs are lumped together because they are mostly illegal. BTW caffine and alcohol are drugs, you druggie... I bet your morality is fine with those.

softdude, really? are you that much of a window licker that you think people are doing meth because pot is illegal? NEWSFLASH: even though it's illegal pot is readily available for somebody that wants to do it.anybody that says marijauna being illegal is the cause of people doing meth has to be seriously LOST. that thought process implies that meth isn't illegal. what a douchetard!

I believe in the gateway drug theory. It's not whether all people start out on Marijuana - it's whether people who do start with Marijuana go on to 'harder' drugs. I think there is some validity to the gateway theory, not because it just leads to harder drugs, but because getting Marijuana necessitates having interactions with drug dealers who are likely to pressure their buyers to try harder drugs that actually create a chemical dependency, thereby ensuring repeat business. So, in theory, legalizing marijuana might end the gateway effect.

Maybe if people were allowed to get high with less dangerous drugs, they would leave the really bad ones alone.

You can't fix stupid

Lot's of angry responses from self righteous people. What they don't realize is that THEY can't start THEIR day without less dangerous (maybe, but at least legal)) drugs- caffeine, tobacco, alcohol in the evening (or earlier) Even salt, sugar, and high fat food are drugs. Prohibition doesn't work. If you aren't educated enough to know what happened in the 1920's, shame on you. My dad grew up during prohibition, and used to say that there were two classes of people who opposed repeal- preachers and bootleggers. Today, the two classes who oppose repeal of the war on drugs are law enforcement thugs who make a career of busting people, and drug cartels who are getting rich. We should stop this insanity.

The Buddha said it was best to refrain from intoxicating substances. The reason is that any intoxicant messes with your mind--and some more than others. Getting high is just a way to put off having to deal with the fact of our impending death. Maybe if we just get high enough it will go away?

If You believe in the Gateway Drug theory as the Government has Preached ever since I was a kid & that was many years ago, Then You Should Be Mad at Folgers Coffee & all Those "Best part of Waking up is Folgers in your cup"!!! Commercials. it made me want to start taking Caffiene, then it led to cigarettes & Mom & Dad's Alcohol, then Marijuana. I Never was Addicted to Marijuana though. I Believe I became an Alcoholic & was able to Quit Drinking & Cigarettes,but There is No Way I could Give up That Folgers Coffee though...

Soft, we are allowed to get high on other drugs, it's called alcohol. I don't think that has stopped anyone from trying other drugs. Granted, you did say "less dangerous drugs." Alcohol is a lot more dangerous than most other drugs, but I'm not sure if that's because of what it does to the body or, simply because it's legal and easy to abuse. I don't believe in the gateway theory but I do believe that a bit of alcohol reduces a person's won't power to the point where they may try something they wouldn't do otherwise.

We've got enough problems with alcohol. Most people who want to do drugs, already do them. The only ones who done are those who respect or are afraid of the law. Making drugs legal will only get the ones who are already doing drugs to do more and those who weren't because of the law, will now feel free to go for it. Why do I see a big increase in emergency room visits, to be paid for by tax payers.

Yes, if we legalized marijuana then people would not use the illegal drugs. After all, it has worked for alcohol. Since alcohol is legal, no one ever uses the illegal drugs.

there's an old saying....with booze you'll lose, with dope there's hope.

Mr. Fids - the 16 states that have legalized medical marijuana have seen an average 9 percent drop in traffic deaths

One cannot glean what you are implying from these statistics. There is no correlation.

wolfpack - with booze you'll lose, with dope there's hope.

Please don't smoke around your dog.

I love my dogs. I would protect all my dogs til the last drop of my blood and i don't smoke......well, at least not in the house, hee hee.

People who are looking for relief- whether it be for pain relief (not physical pain) because of bad situations in their life, needing to feel more secure or socially accepted by those around them or just a method to bring their spirits up are the ones who will go from one drug to another; not that one drug is a "gateway drug". It is more likely smoking pot will not do enough to give them the escapism they seek so they continue to look for something that does- hence they go to harder drugs, If they could stick to the pot, their life would be measurably better, as many people who smoke marijuana lead normal lives- with jobs, school, families, homes and all the rest. And most are even tax payers.

Meth is popular, particularly among those with less money because it is cheap, gives the kind of high they seek and evidently is a drug many learn how to manufacture. The fact that you can make it from readily available products off store shelves is what makes it so much more popular. You don't need to grow opium poppies, you need not be a chemist and you don't need coca plants. You can go to the store and buy what is needed to manufacture meth. If you have mastered the manufacture- you can make money selling. The fact that people are radically changed by meth demonstrates how dangerous it is. If they legalized marijuana, it would take the crime segment out of it, reducing the crime at our southern border and the cartels influence in this country and could even make money off taxing and regulation. They could spend that wasted money on tracking meth and helping the people who are addicted to it. Maybe even help with the clean-up of the places that have been poisoned by the cooking of meth. Many of them are so toxic they have to have all the walls, floors, ceilings and insulation removed and sometimes the entire structure must be torn down. So fighting meth should be a much higher priority than going after those who smoke pot- whether it be recreational or medical. Taxpayer dollars would be better spent, because pot smokers don't go around killing their family and themselves in a "pot rage" like the woman in this story did to her family and herself. (I'm talking about people who single substance and not mixing pot and alcohol or other drug against people who use only meth.)

I agree. and it is helpful to keep in perspective Afghanistan is the largest heroin dealer in the world, and we can see how wonderful they are as neighbors...

Wm Sanders; I agreed with your meth part but I think the bulk of your last paragraph is based mostly on emotion.

Aspirin, hydrocortizine and marijuana are clinically less dangerous than meth. And regardless, anything from a lamp cord to a toothpick could be harmful if one was properly motivated.

It also seems pretty obvious that many animals including humans have a predisposition for mood altering substances. Donkey's get drunk on fermented apples, elephants raid beer supplies from villagers, cats enjoy catnip, birds eat fermented berries, etc. Humans are no different as marijuana, wine and other substances have been proven to be used by various civilizations all around the world, and assuredly there is much more lost to time and the elements. That in and of itself isn't bad, just like it's not bad for speed racers to drive insanely fast. Some people can do and some can't. It's knowing one's limitations. It's taking responsibility. For the most part nobody is hollering for liqour establishments to be closed because there is a mighty large amount of it purchased and drank in a single year. That is a more dangerous drug than the ones I listed and it's perfectly legal in America. Prohibition of alcohol to the War on Drugs the same thing happens because the demand is there. And I'm not seeing my town become an opium or beer village.

I can't agree enough with your meth comments however. It is something I've been affected by from the people around me and it never ceases to amaze me how utterly destructive that stuff is. One of my best friends admitted to me that he wished he could get me hooked on it so that he could make money off me. By this time he was pretending to sleep the entire night so that his wife wouldn't know he was tweeking. He ended up in prison for 10 months and he's back to his old self again finally. The transition was like Jekyll and Hyde and that's no hyperbole.

The only reason "gateway" drugs are "gateway" drugs is because you have to buy them from drug dealers and can't get them in a legal setting, therefor you are exposing yourself to a criminal elemnt and meeting questionable people and becoming part of a drug culture. if you could smoke weed in coffee shops legally like in amsterdam, the whole gateway drug thing would be moot--and btw, use of marijuana is LOWER there than it is in the USA.

Also, I would say that the DARE program did more to create drug problems than to help them. They came to my grade School and basically acted like all drugs were equally bad, and implied that smoking weed was addictive,would kill you or make you crazy or something, and equated it on the same level as heroin or cocaine. Then at 12 i smoked weed--i didn't die, i didn't go crazy, I smoked occasssionally for years and didn't become addicted, my life didn't fall apart. it made me wonder what else they were lying about in terms of drugs, and led me to try harder drugs because I thought it must all be bull@!$%# propoganda, like the horror stories about weed were. only I found out thru experience that SOME drugs are in fact worse than others, very dangerous, very addictive, and very life-destroying.

it was very hip to try heroin in the 90's when i was in college, what with all those romatically tortured grunge artists using it, and manymany high school and college students were snorting it, thinking it was not addictive if snorted. Almost invariably they graduated to needles and a hell of a lot of them are dead now--and these were white, middle class college students from good families. At least on the east coast, heroin use is rampant among young, middle class whites, methy use is not really that prominant yet--thank god, because from what i've seen, meth is probably the worst drug in the entire world.

The only reason "gateway" drugs are "gateway" drugs is because you have to buy them from drug dealers and can't get them in a legal setting, therefor you are exposing yourself to a criminal elemnt and meeting questionable people and becoming part of a drug culture. if you could smoke weed in coffee shops legally like in amsterdam, the whole gateway drug thing would be moot--and btw, use of marijuana is LOWER there than it is in the USA.

Also, I would say that the DARE program did more to create drug problems than to help them. They came to my grade School and basically acted like all drugs were equally bad, and implied that smoking weed was addictive,would kill you or make you crazy or something, and equated it on the same level as heroin or cocaine. Then at 12 i smoked weed--i didn't die, i didn't go crazy, I smoked occasssionally for years and didn't become addicted, my life didn't fall apart. it made me wonder what else they were lying about in terms of drugs, and led me to try harder drugs because I thought it must all be bull@!$%# propoganda, like the horror stories about weed were. only I found out thru experience that SOME drugs are in fact worse than others, very dangerous, very addictive, and very life-destroying.

it was very hip to try heroin in the 90's when i was in college, what with all those romatically tortured grunge artists using it, and manymany high school and college students were snorting it, thinking it was not addictive if snorted. Almost invariably they graduated to needles and a hell of a lot of them are dead now--and these were white, middle class college students from good families. At least on the east coast, heroin use is rampant among young, middle class whites, methy use is not really that prominant yet--thank god, because from what i've seen, meth is probably the worst drug in the entire world.

My take on drug addiction is that it almost always starts with " peer pressure ". There are just not that many people that one day decided to get high on their own. I believe that most drug users also use with others. Your best friend may not really end up being your best friend.

Wm Sanders outline with different words... see if this sounds dangerous to you..?

This is precisely why INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM SHOULD BE illegal...because the alternative would be that this scourge would literally be even worse.

FREE THINKERS are the worst...I was robbed by one. They will sell their soul to RETAIN THIER FREEDOM. Heroin and cocaine are bad enough, but at least they are harder to get. Thanks to the easy availability of FREE SPEECH, and the BOOK STORE & LIBRARIES reluctance to control it, you have tragedies like this.

There is no such thing as a less dangerous RIGHT OF FREE THOUGHT, SPEECH OR LIBERTY...if there is a pattern of abuse, then it should either be closely regulated or banned altogether. That might not be popular, but it certainly wouldn't be the end of civilization as we know it. The alternative would be having your town become an "FREE village" where practically everyone is a FREEDOM junkie. Just imagine that little scenario, with all the aforementioned tragedies in this article.
I am GUARANTEED the RIGHT of freedom of thought, speech & needless intervention by my government & to do with my life & body , that which I care to as long as it does not impact anyone else's right to do the same thing.

Honestly folks meth is one of the most dangerous substances in the world, however we can't control it, or it would have been wiped out already. Legalize everything and the problem will go away if a few months. Sounds backwards, but look at alcoholism in Europe. Harldy an issue at all.

Actually, there is no evidence that what you claim is true. You are making an assumption. There are several studies that show no significant increase in drug use with legalization. One of the studies was done by Rhode Island Hospital which studied marijuana use among adolescents. There were 32,500 test subjects. It proved what intelligent people already knew instinctively- that legalization does not increase use, people inclined to use drugs will do so regardless of the law. Prohibition actually makes the problem worse.

rwalker - I have read most your posts, why I don't know, I guess I just am easily amused. I can tell unequivocally though that you have a drug problem that you justify with what is referred to as denial. I wish you health & happiness in your future.

Wm Sanders outline with different words... see if this sounds dangerous to you..?

This is precisely why INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM SHOULD BE illegal...because the alternative would be that this scourge would literally be even worse.

Nice try at the spin but it does not fly, When was the last time someone broke into your home to steal your property or money to buy their individual freedoms...Fact is people become addicted to drugs and when they can no longer function at their jobs if they even ever had one then they resort to criminal activity to finance their habits, Making their habit legal would not reduce their need to finance it.

gary, i smoke pot. pot isn't addictive. i have not smoked for month on end, and didn't have any withdrawl except boredom. thanks for the wishes of happiness and health though, i wish you the same. what makes you think i'm a drug addict btw? the fact that I lean left?

gary, i smoke pot. pot isn't addictive. i have not smoked for month on end, and didn't have any withdrawl except boredom. thanks for the wishes of happiness and health though, i wish you the same. what makes you think i'm a drug addict btw? the fact that I lean left?

gary, i smoke pot. pot isn't addictive. i have not smoked for month on end, and didn't have any withdrawl except boredom. thanks for the wishes of happiness and health though, i wish you the same. what makes you think i'm a drug addict btw? the fact that I lean left?

gary, i smoke pot. pot isn't addictive. i have not smoked for month on end, and didn't have any withdrawl except boredom. thanks for the wishes of happiness and health though, i wish you the same. what makes you think i'm a drug addict btw? the fact that I lean left?

gary, what in the world would make you think I have a drug problem? The fact that I lean left politically? I smoke pot. I may drink a beer a couple of times a week. other than that I don't even like to take advil when i have a headache. I take no subscription drugs. I do have a powerful passion for cookies though.

I hope you are healthy and happy in your future too, friend, but i don't have an addiction. I have in the past, but I beat those demons. What is it about my posts that makes you think I have an addiction?

newsvine smoke monster got me again. alas i still await your retort fair gary.

newsvine smoke monster got me again. alas i still await your retort fair gary.

what? not even any crickets. Gary gary gary...you don't get to throw around accusations like that and not defend yourself. You get to have the honor of being the first on my ignore list.

the drug dealers in america will tell the politicians, "say we'll be copying china which is too horrible a thought". I don't think china has a bad policy when it comes to large drug crimes and mexico would be better off. the death penalty is a true deterrence but uncle and grandma drug addicts around here want to avoid that so they say it isn't. it really is though.

i hope you mean to include docters, pharmacists, and those "pain management pkaces

yeah, because it is the drug dealers responsibility what users choose to put in their own bodies. No one forces anyone to do drugs. Drug dealers are just capitalists who supply a huge demand. drug users are responsible for their drug use, not dealers. what ever happened to taking personal responsibility for your actions.

This is the same type of KNEE-JERK brained person who called for
a LAW to PUNISH anyone
whose rendition of the National Anthem was not EXACTLY as the original song was published.!
The Indiana Capitol IS the funny bone of the universe !

ximmeron, you can add the workers of all the beverage companies that have caffine in their list of ingredients to that list. All the employees of Phillip Morris, RJ Reynolds, and Winston-Salem as well. Oh, don't forget about Anheiser Busch, and all the other alcohol companies. While we're at it, lets add Astra Zeneca, Mereck, Pfizer...do I really need to go on? Almost every American is a drug addict of some sort these days... More laws and punishment are contra-indicated. We've tried and it DOESN'T WORK. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

It's long past time all states have an automatic death sentence for all drug dealers.

How about you go over to Somalia and take care of the pirate problem, then if you are successful, come on back and we will listen to your ideas.

Reading through these posts I see many people who seem to have a very narrow view of the world around them and are forming very uncompromising opinions through emotion rather than objective thinking.

Here's something most people don't realize, There are more individuals who are drug users than most realize. For some its recreationaly and others its habitual. You would never realize it because drug use is so stigmatized they hide it from view. I know people like this, they are perfectly functional and in control of themselves.

I won't deny that drugs can cause problems, drugs have the capability to push people out of control, especially but not always, when use turns into addiction, addictiong enerally results from a lack of anything else to place attention on. However, we see tragedies happen everyday which are the result of one factor or another, the factor at play is only brought into light if it is illegal or will elicit emotions from the public. As a society and as a species we continue to approach problems by focusing on the easiest solution and then highlighting what we believe to be a consistent variable amongst the perpetrators. Human beings are complicated and the while our society increases attempts to control one another we see more erratic behavior arising. What does that tell you, circumstance, people are individuals and should be judged by who they are as a whole, not which laws they break. To make sweeping generalizations about entire populations is dangerous, i say this in regard to race, culture, lifestyle choices etc.

Our society is very flawed in that we spend more time trying to punish and demonize eachother rather than understand one another. This is not to say we shouldn't punish people for their actions but watch how people will take any news report and respond as if it is an absolute, and I don't mean this article in particular. What scares me is how many people are so ready to post suggestions of murder and will even develop tortures in response to a very vague scenario being told to them by a third party. If that aggressive reactionary attitude is your reflex response to anything you don't like or understand then you're just as dangerous as those you condemn. The individuals who commit crimes like the one from the article share a similar mindset as you, the only difference is that one or several aspects and circumstances have pushed them into action. Your not as far removed from them as you perceive yourself to be.

Are you including Coffehouses? Do you really think we'd all be drinking this bitter fluid if it didn't have drugs in it? Let's string up the tobacco growers in Virginia, As a lung cancer survivor, I want in on that one. Of course, we can't leave out Liquor store clerks or Bartenders.

Hey, if we have public executions for cocktail waitresses in those skimpy outfits, and make it pay per view, we could cure the national debt. Don't forget to execute the 7-11 guys for selling the energy drinks, not to mention the cigarettes and coffee.

Does excessive sugar count as a drug? It's about time The Krispy Kreeme guys answered for their sins. I want to string up Ben and Jerry.

What does or doesn't constitute a drug in this country has always depended on how much money your lobby has.

We don't execute them because their drug might not be a drug tomorrow, no matter how much harm it does.

David, it really isn't that bitter if you put cream and sugar in it. A friend of mine puts a little coffee in his sugar.

And yes we do like Bitter. My kids loved Bitter candy.

David, Sugar used to be considered a medicine. I believe it was the 1500s...Islamic doctors would perscribe small amounts of sugar for heart conditions. It is a crystaline molecule that packs quite a punch. We of course grosly abuse it in this country, and pretty much everywhere in the world now. Somehow we are fatter than ever as well. Hmm...can't figure it out.

Queen Elizabeth ate so much sugar her teeth turned black.

She also smoked marijuana to releave her menstrual cramps.

Tell that to all the legal drug companies. They make lots of money too. Drugs aren't necessarily always bad, drug abuse is always bad.

how ironic, I'm actually considering moving out to California because of all the good weed they have out there.

That's why you want to move to N. CA Wolf. That's where Oaksterdam and Humboldt are. The crank is all in the South and East (Fresno-Stockton) You want to move to the Coast anywhere from Santa Cruz to Humboldt.

They were just the ones getting caught. If the law enforcement in the Ozarks of Missouri and Arkansas weren't running interference, it would be known to the world to be the capital.

I disagree Moose. Ever seen the movie Idiocracy? We're headed there at light speed if we continue down the path we're on.

College educated people are reproducing at an all time low. The non- and under educated population in this country are the fastest growing segment. Most of the meth users in this country are poor and under educated. The breed like rabbits to get the checks coming in so they can stay home and make more meth and meth babies.

Kinda makes you wish the other mothers detailed in the article would have killed themselves first too.... horrible.

Agreed!

I noticed, too, that your's was the first comment on the victims in the story. The one lady only got nine months for stabbing her infant?? What?!

So sad.

Bless those little ones.

Doolittle 13- I also noticed the same thing. I have no sympathies for junkies, my sympathy is for the victims that they make. 9 months? That kind of sentence makes me want to puke! The moment you want to been a doper, give your children up. Once you start doing that crap, you don't care about anyone or anything, it's all about getting high.

Anyone who would stab a defenseless infant in a drug-induced psychosis or not is a complete waste of a human being.

After her measly nine months, sterilize her and take the baby and any other children she's not taking care of away forever.

Game over.

No second chances in the parent department.

AGREED. Alcohol is a whole terrible category on its own. Drunk driving, alcoholsim, impaired judgment, abuse... there are just so many problems that could potentially come from it that I avoid it entirely.

Yes, because Prohibition in the 1920's worked really well, duh. As for meth, what a silly statement. That's like saying, "Get rid of the sun, and it will be dark."

@su: yes, there are many problems that come from alcohol, but there are plenty of instances of impaired judgment by people who haven't even been drinking. Let's try to cure stupidity.

OK Derek alcohol is fine. Maybe it's time you went on the wagon. This type of lashing out and belligerance is typical of those with an alcohol problem. Face the facts - when it comes to societal damage by drug abouse alcohol is 100X worse than everything else combined. There are proabably more people killed in car accidents and bar fights evey weekend than a year's worth of meth addicts. And an eternity of cannabis smokers.

Alcohol kills 1000x more people than all illegal drugs combined.

http://www.insurancequotes.com/marijuana-traffic-safety/

DAMNIT! You folks never learn a thing. Prohibition brought on the worst organized crime syndicate (beside the politial system) in US History.

AL CAPONE? look it up...

MISTER FIDS, I can't friend you for some reason... Would you please friend me?

People commit Suicide everyday...
people SPEED on the highway every day
Politicians LIE & steal everyday
WE as individuals or as a Nation CANNOT prevent these things from happening, nor, evidently do we even care to because there is NO national movement to do so & they continue to occur just as they have for over 100 years !

Gordy-1086228
YOU SIR, have the most common sense of anyone posting here....
LIFE terms for those who sell or provide drugs to minors & free access to adults...
$25 an ounce tax on Cannabis & the national debt is GONE in 3 years..
in 10 Social Security is completely funded & the Education budget allows a FREE college education at a State Univ.
And the use of Hemp replaces trees as the source of ALL paper products .
THAT's the type of AMERICA I can believe in !

LOGIC!? REASON!?? THE LIGHT IS BLINDING ME!!!!!!!! and thank the maker...

$25 an ounce tax on Cannabis & the national debt is GONE in 3 years.

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Hilarious. Anybody who thinks that people would just meekly line up and pay their $25 an ounce tax on cannabis MUST be "getting high on their own supply".

Having a little rage yourself?

Kevin..........You don't see the correlation? No wonder we have a drug problem in the US.

This is NOT the fault of the Republicans!! How many times do Obama supporters and all of the Democrats in Washington, DC have to realize that the current administration that no borders and letting illegals into and living in our country is the fault of the Democrats!!! They are the ones keeping the drugs flowing into this country and it will not change until we have a new president on board to alleviate the problem!!

Kevin-747617

Oh puhleeeezzzeee! Can you get any more ridiculous than that? LMAO! Talk about the shallow end of the gene pool.

Can we just keep the partisan squabbling out of a discussion just once? People make their own decisions to do drugs. We need to be accountable for our own actions, not shove the blame elsewhere.

Are you ok? Should we call some people and have them send assistance your way? Cannot figure out how you blame political party for illegal drug use since all have opposed it.

Take your issues up with the music and movie industries that have glorified drug use. Take your issues up with video came companies that glorify violence and criminal activity.

Take your issue up with groups that try to decriminalize drug use instead of attacking those that try to enforce the laws against it.

NEITHER BUSH POTUS did one damned thing to STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION..
AZ was completely over run with Mexicans during GW's tenure....
that has BEEN STOPPED since
the Communist, Nazi, Socialist, Community Organizer
that the REPUBLICANS COULD NOT BEAT
IN A FREE & FAIR ELECTION WITH A WAR HERO & A HOOKER was ELECTED
WE GOT CHANGE HERE PAL....
400,000 less illegals a year walking up I-10 to PHX
looking for work that Americans will NOT accept !
How do you like the 100% increase in the price of domestic veggies since ..?

Go ask Mississippi what happened to their Apple crop when there was NO ONE to pick it this past fall...
the industry TANKED along with many other crops.

Its the opposition that is making kids want to do it. The quickest way to get a teenager to do something is to tell them not to do it. Can't you folks realize that? I wish it was legal to SHAKE PEOPLE....maybe some sense will get in there somehow...

KEVIN You're soooooo full of sh*t. I am aso tired of hearing your kind of drivvel. You need to go back to school and pay particular attention to American history. The party of YES has bankrupted this country. Yes we will give you handouts for life. Yes we will raid your social security. Yes we will do everything in our power to make you dependant on the government. Yes we are idiots, and yes we are democrats. We started ALL the giveaway programs in this country and we will tax you to death to make sure those programs get funded. And Yes we are dumbing down America by lowering school standards. After all if we teach you to be smart, you might vote independent or republican.

Excellent post jim overlin. Couldn't have said it better myself !!!

another comment from the brain dead

Son

They will just make a new hub, they always do.

Besides there are lots of hubs, probably one in your neck of the woods.

people with any diagnosed mental illness use drugs at twice the rate of "normal people". 80% of dx'd manic depressive abuse drugs on and off. the deprerssed have hugely higher rates of alcoholism. people use drugs to self medicate mental illness or to temporarily excape an unbearable life situation. For example, after leaving an abusive ex, he began relentlessly stalking, harassing me, intimidating me, breaking into my apartment, attacked me physically twice, and generally ignored the protection from abuse order and the courts did nothing. i thought if this is how my life is going to be, I would rather be dead--but I didn't have the balls to kill myself. So i started using drugs because at least for a while i could escape from the absolute horror that wqas my life--they were my only rlief from constant fear and hopelessness. People who become drug addicts are in general feeling hopeless and despairing, and quite often suffering from a psychiatric disorder. (I am also manic-depressive, on top of the stalking thing, but it was not until the stalking that I ever abused drugs, just took my psych meds as prescribed). Many mentally ill people are not in treatment because they cannot afford it or because they will not admit they are sick. if you really care about the explaination of why people use drugs, there it is.

I disagree smub. Being a non has helped me find my old self again, clean clear young and sharp. Coping with the changes, facing realities, making smart moves, and good associations.

The whole group of 'misfortunes' that I encountered, my own, were entirely self inflicted character builders.

I'm glad that's over.

To properly describe it, find the antonyms for the above. Dirty, foggy, weathered and dull. Escapist, dodgy, shifty losers. Those describe several of my years in life, but that's all it took.

Hope you get it figured out, dialed in. Strong arm your way back. Just have to be your own #1 fan. Look out for #1. Be in it for the long run. 'You' matter most.

Snuzeyaluze....
I don't think anyone NEEDS to get "High"
I think it is more of a DESIRE to feel less pain or stress..
not every human has the ability to do so to their satisfaction...
You ask questions expecting answers...
they live life wishing for small escapes from the hell they experience.

"people with any diagnosed mental illness use drugs at twice the rate of "normal people". 80% of dx'd manic depressive abuse drugs on and off. the deprerssed have hugely higher rates of alcoholism. people use drugs to self medicate mental illness or to temporarily excape an unbearable life situation."

Not true about people with diagnosed mental illnesses, I am bi-polar manic depressive, NO WEED, DON'T DRUNK, DON'T DO DRUGS...Hell I don't even take those crazy meds they prescribe me. CHRONIC PAIN and they won't give me anything so I don't become an addict...LOL! What a joke!

(so if you see a few contradicting posts from me, you now know why) LOL!

Won't work. Besides we have a constitutional right that keeps us protected from draconian measures. I think you may be happier living under the chinese system if you like ideas like that. Just trying to help

Oh my gosh I feel very bad for you. Im so sorry. Im not quite sure I would know what to do either. If at all possible remember that its the drug not your son talkin and walkin. Lock down is the only way. I had a friend who took their addicted son out on a boat for weeks until the withdrawls stop. The routine, friends, lifestyle must all change to break them away from it. If all else fails.....for sanity......and your own health....bring in help.

Bwana, you have my deepest sympathy. I know it is no consolation, but some people, even sometimes our children, have a Karmic load that even the most steadfast parental love cannot lighten. In a situation like yours, I say protect yourself and the rest of your family first. You already have enough sadness. Good luck.

bwana-1943868
you & your wife are emotionally over invested in your dangerous son...
if he refuses professional mental help he NEEDS to be incarcerated for his & YOUR own health & well being...
it IS the RIGHT thing to do..
for yourselves & him .
I AM sympathetic to you situation BUT you NEED to realize that you cannot change him..
and you HAVE to SAVE YOURSELVES !

agreed..turn his ass in.

Turn him in.

Hard love is the most difficult thing to dole out.

Your wife's love for your son is admirable, but she or both of you are in denial.

This does not end well if you let it continue.

Turn him in, so he hates you when you do. It's a hate I could live with if it meant saving his life.

As being naive of the danger may just get you killed in a fit of rage.

bwana

drug dealers is not your problem, It's your son. How often do you see drug dealer banging on your door asking your son to buy their drugs? The problem could be his home life or you and the wife. There's a reason why the boy is doing what he's doing.

I know you know that until your son is ready to quit that it won't happen, so you have my sympathy. Until that day comes for him, you need to protect the rest of your family. I know that your wife does not want to practice tough love, but it is the only option now. Perhaps the two of you need to get help for yourselves so you can handle the situation until your son can get where he needs to be. You really do need to quit allowing him to use your home. You will have to tell those collection calls that he is not there and they need to stop calling for him at your home. You have to stop allowing your entire life to be impacted. I know it is difficult but I have had to deal with a child with a problem and you have to make them understand that they can no longer impact the rest of the family like that. Pay for a month or two at a cheap apartment or rooming house, tell him he has to pay for himself after that. Change the locks on your house and anything else he has keys to and make it stick. If it makes your wife feel better, get him a pre-pay phone that you can buy phone cards for. You can set up the phone with an online account where you can go online and enter the refill cards or payments and you won't have to have the phone to do it. That way you have a method of keeping in touch with him and gives him a phone for the job hunting he is going to have to do. It isn't fair to any member of your family to continue to allow this situation to happen and it will not help your son. Tell him you love him but you don't like the person he has become on drugs and that you can no longer enable his habit. I can't imagine any help you seek for yourself will tell you anything different and it is one of the hardest things a parent has to do, but you have to take action to protect your home and family from the person your son is on drugs. Good luck. I hope you get the boy you raised back.