It is always tragic to hear about fires where there is loss of life. This one sounds like it took most, if not all, of a family. My heart goes out to the survivors and the family(ies) of those lost this morning.
Its truly sad how many house fires start during Christmas, due to the nature of the holiday. Whether its the tree catching fire. Or the electrical shorting out. Or that extra heater malfunctioning. Or a candle falling over. etc. etc. Even the number of kitchen fires goes up, because of the extra cooking most do. Condolences to the survivors and their family and friends. This is no way to remember Christmas..
it isn't so much that fires happen on x-mas as the whole medias combing through literally thousands of stories to bring us the "gloom and doom report" gotta have that whole "dirty laundry " thing as the song says dont ya know....... bummer........:(
I have to agree. Hopefully they were out before the fire came. The neighor heard screaming, I hope that they didn't suffer and went quickly. Such a horrible & tragic way to pass. My prayers to the family & friends of those involved. I hope the survivors have a swift & painless recovery.
Just because alarms may be mandatory, doesn't mean they were used, were functioning properly or were in the correct placement to even detect the smoke.
The people who find this humorous have obviously never experienced a tragedy in their life.
Dani....who wouldnt see the humor in the fact that young children were probably in there beds excited and dreaming of what santa might of brought them, instead woke to the horror of their family members burning to death???? Some people hate themselves so much they can find humor in other peoples misery.
Your spot on SPF. It never ceases to amaze me at the callousness of some people. They either really hate themselves or have too much free time on their hands, to mock others or stir up people emotions with stupid comments.
I wonder how many times that poor neighbor will relive those screams.
This is such a sad story, for any day of the week.
Some people hate themselves so much they can find humor in other peoples misery.
What's ironic is -- you just described American mainstream christianity. Of course, they go out and CAUSE the misery in millions of lives, and THEN find joy in it...
Wow, a cult book's creature says "later on, people will not believe in me, and some of you will be hated for following me."
And something like that ends up being true -- because cult members from one cult ALWAYS hate the members of another cult (which christians themselves show continually). WOW! WHAT A PREDICTION!! AMAZING!! WHOOOPPPEEEEEEE!!!
DMorgan sounds jealous because he doesn't have the capability to believe in a religion :D may the ONE true God bless you on his Son's birthday, I hope you find peace, and I am not being sarcastic...people like you reinforce why Christians are seen as over zealous...we must defend ourselves vigorously against people like you.
You "nailed" it right there. Religious cults is what founded this country, it is also the reason for most of the hate and anguish in this country, but most humans have evolved to not believe in fairy tales after age 8-10. Unfortunately not everyone has yet. They have come very close to proving what is responsible for the universes creation, but you have the nuts that say, " well then what created the particle that creadted the universe? It must be god". "Well then who created God to create the particle" is the next question. Nutcases.
How awful! My prayers for the family & friends of those involved. I hope the 2 that made it out have a swift recovery. This is such a tragedy for the family & the town they live in. I think it's sick that people can find humor in such a tragic event. There is a special place in hell for people with no heart or soul.
Lisa... there is no 'special' place in hell. This is why Jesus wants all to come to the knowledge of the truth and is not willing that any should perish. It is sad that people use a tragedy such as this to spew hatred though.
Yes there are. And I'm sure it's Mayor, Penny Nemeth, would disagree with you. They have one of the best Ice Cream places anywhere, and a cool little mini-golf course, too. There are several special places to go there. I've been to Hell, MI, twice now. It's a cool town...
...or, wait a minute. Were you talking about another mythical place that your cult wrings its hands about all the time, scares children with, and yet, you cannot prove it exists?
DMorgan - Since you know all about the afterlife or lack thereof, please enlighten us more about it. Since you cannot prove that it doesn't exist your argument is futile.
Laura there actually is a special place in hell. Read more and understand that there is a place in hell that makes the other part of hell look more like earth than hell. My prayers to everyone who lived through that awful experience and to those cold hearted people who need more prayer than anyone else.
Crying shame. Why do you need to LIE in order to debate? I have NEVER said I know all about it. Why do you need to misrepresent what people say in order to participate? Isn't their something in your Cult Book about Bearing False Witness? Is your cult's jesus-creature OK with you telling lies like this?
I have ONLY said that there isn't a shred of proof to support the cultist and divine claims made by your cult and your cult book, BuyBull. There is no proof of an afterlife. Just as there is no proof of an easter bunny or Odin or leprechauns. I am not obligated to follow cult nonsense in this Country, and neither is anyone else. There isn't any evidence to suggest that the BuyBull's outrageous, divine claims are factual or real. Period. It rates right up there with leprechauns and anything else mythical.
Also, the burden of proof isn't upon "everyone else" to DISPROVE when people come along with some outrageous claim that an invisible cult creature exists somewhere, and is listening to everyone's hand-mumbling. It's YOUR claim, it's YOURS to prove... Likewise, it isn't up to "everyone else" to disprove claims of leprechauns oe the easter bunny or Odin, either. If someone wishes to claim they are real and factual, it is up to THEM to prove their outrageous claim, not others to disprove it. (Let me guess -- you failed Logic 101, and likewise failed any class where the Scientific Method was applied...)
If your own argument had any merit, perhaps you would have no need to lie about what I've said in order to try and make some reply to me? Try being honest once. Try Living Your Values Every Day, instead of just pissing on your jesus-creature and everything he's supposedly taught you, every time someone challenges you. That would be a neat trick -- something I've never seen any christian do so far: actually Living Their Values Every Day.
DMorgan, we are not perfect, just forgiven. When we fail ( and we do ) to live out our daily values we are forgiven by Jesus and encouraged to try again.
Just as Jesus wants to forgive you..........all you have to do is ask for it.
if there is no God, hell, Jesus or heaven, and we all go to nothingness when we die-what does it matter how anyone lives....those children who perished in the fire went to the same nothingness that a Hitler or child rapist/mass murderer did,....they never knew they lived or what they done in life was wrong or right....history may record events just for the living but if our planet dies completely there will just be nothingness and this moment, these comments will be nothing as if they never existed......BUT............ if there is a God, Jesus, heaven hell and all those other things you claim mythical, then those children are now in the arms of a loving God. Or do you blame that mythical God you claim does not exist for that fire? Actually, on the judgement day, I cannot stand behind or blame anyone else for my sins, beliefs or lack thereof(the bible says all men will give account) I will not be able to say to God, I believed what Dmorgan said. I may not be able to prove there is or is not a God to you or anyone else but there is tons of evidence. Just like you look at those who claim to be christian and do not act like it you come to the conclusion there must not be a god based on their misactions. Do you stop using electricity because of some electrician messed up your wiring? Do you throw out all your toilets and faucets because a plumber messed up your plumbing? instead you go out and find someone who can do those jobs properly and restore your utilities! I wish and pray the best for you and that God's Holy Spirit will show you the truth. Will you believe in God if you find good christians living like they should? there are many out there!
DMorgan, I can't understand why you would seize onto the tragedy of the deaths of five people in order to spew your venom onto everyone else. Can't you just show compassion to the people who lost their family members? I am not a churchgoer or avid believer in God but I definitely don't discount the idea that something more is out there. I also agree that there are many terrible things done both in the name of Christianity and by Christians by terrible people, who can be part of any religion or belief system. That doesn't mean that all Christians or non-Atheists need to be tarred with the same brush. It also doesn't give you the right to come on here and try your hardest to be horrible to people. If someone wants to say God, then let them. If they just want to wish the family well and put them in their prayers, then let them. If you want to just wish the family well but not put them in your prayers because you don't believe in God, then we would let you without attacking you as you've done to others. I believe firmly in freedom of speech but your posts are not so much in defense of your beliefs as they are designed to upset those whose beliefs you deride so harshly. Have you considered that you are as much a part of a cult as those you ridicule? Look in the mirror before you post again you troll.
God Bless the people who were killed in the fire, help the survivors and help them get through this. Also please pray for the remaining family members what a terrible thing to happen even more tragic on Christmas. People please have compassion on articles like this not some of the crude hateful comments. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL OF YOU AND GOD BLESS THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS OF THOSE IN THE FIRE.
nice "god blessings" there... but if your cult god was really interested in their welfare, maybe he wouldn't have let two parents and three little kids burn to death in a house fire.
however, the next day comes along, and some of you will think your cult god randomly and occationally spares your 67-year-old Aunt Phyllis from colon cancer, when you can't explain otherwise how it happened, because 11 of you were sitting outside her door hand-mumbling to your unprovable cult creatures....
ugh. the mindless religious nuttery and whack-jobbery that you people portray on a daily basis. the miracle is that some of you can feed yourselves and wipe yourselves without help from someone else!
Yeah -- it's a shame when anyone comes in here and:
1. speaks factually
2. points out the hypocrisy of people who claim to be cult followers of a "creature of love and brotherhood" and yet, say things like "If you would die a horrible death it would be a Big Plus for all of us" (and) "You are a douche bag and I hope that if this ever happens to your family, some a-hole will blame you for it. Merry Christmas @!$%#!" (and) "Too bad you werent in the house too" (and) well, and on and on and on with all the Really Impressive things that christians say to other people, while clothing themselves in the name of a Teacher who taught NOTHING of the sort.
Some of you people don't even grasp what lowlifes you are to your own cause and to your own values. There isn't a single one of you who can Live Your Values Every Day. So, you get pissed-off at people like me for pointing it out!!
DMorgan, as a atheist all I can say is shut up. In America people are free to believe as the choose. Merry Solstice to one and all and a better New Year to all!
Life sucks regardless of a higher power or not. I don't know about anyone else's, but I know that my life pretty much bites the big one most of the time and from what I read on here, most other people's lives suck too. Except for that rich Indian guy. His life rocks.
Thank you Devil's Son...i am a Christian, but you are the kind of atheist like my two dear friends. Respect in a world where it is rare. Indeed, there is still hope for the world.
As an atheist my self I can say Dmorgan doesn't need a hell in an after life. With his attitude he has created a hell in his own mind he has to live in everyday.
It always makes me laugh when GODhaters and non believers start spewwing diarrhea of the mouth, especially Dmorgan. Maybe he's p!ssed because he can only allow hate to flow in blackness that used to be his heart. I THINK I WILL PRAY FOR HIM. People shoud not ram their beliefs down others throats, it only confirms their lack of RESPECT AND INTELLEGENCE!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS AND GOD BLESS EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY THIS FAMILY, EVEN YOU DMORGAN!!!
DMorgan, I cannot believe that anyone could be so unmoved by the death of five people - the better part of a family! All so that you can come online to promote your own beliefs at the expense of others. I am by no means an active Christian (haven't been to church in fifteen years) but I do believe that there are many things out there we still do not understand, including possibly a God. Does that make me one of your cult members then? If so, I'd be proud to call myself one if it means I'm nothing like you. I wish the best for the rest of the family and survivors.
Dry Christmas trees, candles, electricity, and the basic jimmie-rigged nature of cheap holiday decorations might have played a part in this.
Add to that an old house that probably had knob-and-tube wiring, old wood windows painted shut, balloon framing with no fireblocks, and you've got a prescription for disaster.
Let's all learn a lesson from this. Fire safety is only useful if it's done BEFORE a fire.
Thank you for sharing some details regarding older housing... It can help me and others what to inquire if shopping and/or renovating. What happened is a tragedy and I'm sadened by the loss of a family.. I live in New England and I see many homes evoking concerns about safety particularly the typical designs involving shingles.
Most community fire departments will give you a no-cost fire safety review of your property. They are all about preventing these things from happening too.
Alternately, a city building inspector might be able to do it as well, depending on your community (it's a requirement of most commercial properties to have a fire safety inspection/review).
Here too, DS and it always amazes me that they are that careless. My house is 156 years old....my Dad is an electrician. Needless to say, I've learned to never leave anything that is unnecessary turned on....not to overload circuits and, never take a short-cut on electricity.
Reading that this home was under renovation makes me think that maybe a power tool or something that was misued caused this tragic fire. How sad this happened on Christmas. God does not cause the pain and suffering people have, people cause it. There are people starving to death in this world, not caused by God but by those of us who stand by and do NOTHING! We let those people starve to death, we who have so much, such excesses, we let it happen. Did you ever see what restaurant rhrows out, each piece of lettuce must be perfect or it's thrown away, The wasted food food could feed many people for a week. That's my point, we let people starve, go homeless or without clothes, books, medical treatment, and yet people blame God. He gave us our abilities and when we misuse them, others suffer. We are our Brothers' keepers. God Bless those who died in this fire and I pray those who were injured recover quickly. Merry Christmas!!!!
God does not cause the pain and suffering people have, people cause it.
You can't even prove your god-creature exists, but you can sit there and proclaim what he is responsible for? Yet, any time that people think someone was cured of cancer (or something questionable) -- and they can't exactly explain it, members of the christian Death Cult jump aboard the miracle-train and start demanding that goddidit. yet, their god creature will NEVER go into a veterans hospital or childrens hospital, and cure someone's lost eye, or missing arms or legs. why not? gee, i wonder... (answer: the BuyBull is a fraud.)
christians are often such hypocritical whack-jobs.
your god creature is said to be all-knowing and all time. he is also said to have created evil, and to have created your mythical satan creature -- with full knowledge of what would happen. and he isn't to blame for it? nice logic, folks. if your cult god is all about miracles, why did those two adults and three kids have to burn to death on the jesus-myth's "birthday, but not-birthday"?
@DMorgan - I am not going to try or attempt to tell you about God or Christianity. I see that no matter what is said you have your own theories to "rebut" others beliefs. However, I would ask you to let us all "fools" who do believe share the good word and spread some words of hope for those in need or pray for those who have suffered in this or other tragedies. I do respect that you do not believe, now you please respect us who do. Before I forget, no, there is no need for you to comment on this. Thank you.
@DMorgan - I am not going to try or attempt to tell you about God or Christianity.
Good - already have a Masters in religious history. You'd only look foolish.
I see that no matter what is said you have your own theories to "rebut" others beliefs.
The only "theory" i have is the fact that not one shred of proof exists to support the divine cult beliefs of ANY of the world's cults. Period. And that isn't a theory, punkin! Odin, leprechauns, jesus, zeus - I don't care what mythical creature you subscribe to, there is no proof to support the divine/magical claims of any of them.
However, I would ask you to let us all "fools" who do believe share the good word
The BuyBull is mostly bad words. And nobody is stopping you from spreading the mythical nonsense. Theire is a tax-free BuyBull-based cult building on practically every street corner in America. Are you stoned??
or pray for those who have suffered in this or other tragedies.
How am I or anyone else stopping you from hand-mumbling to your cult creatures? You really are a silly little thing...
I do respect that you do not believe, now you please respect us who do.
If cultists feel that they need to jump on the shoulders of tragedy to preach their mythical nonsense to everyone, fine. If you can't hand-mumble in silence (which, by the way, your jesus creature commands you to do!) --- but you feel the need to jump on the shoulders of tragedy to preach your inane crap to the world, then in a Free Country based upon many rights including Free Speech, be aware and cognizant of the fact that others (who believe in such crazy concepts like logic, reason and critical thought) also get to speak -- and often will speak their counterpoints to the illogic and cultist nonsense that you people continually yap about at every opportunity.
DMorgan I can't prove you exist either, as you are only words (hateful ones at that) on a page. What is evident though, is that the words God wrote and the words that you write speak volumes about who each of you are!
People like DMorgan do not belong on a public site if all he wants to do is use it to torture other people and overlook the real significance of the story - that 5 people died horribly. Nothing else matters.
Except for weddings and funerals, I haven't set foot in a church in well over two decades. Organized religion holds little appeal for me, but I have no problem with those who do enjoy church and get something out of it. I do believe in a higher power, but I also believe that the God who is worshipped by Christians, Jews and Muslims is the same God. Each society develops its own customs. The only time it's a problem is when those customs cause harm to others. Why do you find it so hard to respect the religious rights of others? It seems to me that although you spew your hatred of religious people, you're the one who has a problem. You have nothing but hateful comments for anyone who doesn't believe what you want them to believe, and you have no respect for the rights of others to believe in and practice their chosen religions. If being "educated" and "enlightened" means that I would have to be like you, all I can say is......NO THANKS.
How utterly awful... I hope the survivor's condition isn't critical and they can physically have a productive life and if they're a relative they can have a nourishing environment to recover within and live out a fruitful life with good intervention and/or counseling. May the Love of God richly influence them and provide reasonable peace in time for their recovery and sincere condolences to the family.
You are a sick SOB...People died, Innocent children.. The two individuals who got out will live with that horror until the day they die... You aint funny...You need to see a shrink!
I saw a real tree go up in flames in the window of a home. It took less than one minute for the entire tree was gone and the living room in full flame. So I took my real tree down, put it out in the yard for the birds and bought an artifcial tree. So very sad for that family.
Stamford is where I was born and raised, and although I live somewhere else now, it is eerie to say the least, when you see or hear about something like that. My heart goes out to the families. Nothing worse could have happened.
So they don't know yet what caused it? I'll put odds on a Christmas Tree fire. Ever seen one of those go up? Used to burn ours after season by fire pit....WHOOSH like a roman candle doused in gasoline!
Selmers - I'm betting you're a simple little person who doesn't have empathy for anyone but expects everyone to mind their way when around you. Someone who thinks they have the power to decide who is good and who is not. A very unhappy person who feels cheated out of the "Good Life" by all the others around you who seem to be happy. Go out and get some self esteem @!$%#.
Thanks for another Golden christian comment, Carl. There's nothing quite like the death-wishes from another member of the most tragic Death Cult to ever occupy the planet.
Wow! Carl and DMorgan are quite a pair of humanists. You two ought to get together sometime. These people suffered an awful tragedy - the survivors, the families of those who were lost, those who died possibly dying an excruciating death. Who cares about religion or effing pollution - their families have to deal with a devastating loss. Do you even know what's that like? To lose the people whom you hold dear? To know that for the rest of your life on every single December 26th you have to think about your little grandchildren, your daughter, your son, whatever relation they may be - burning to death or choking to death on smoke??? Have some freaking compassion. There are people in this world who have to deal with unfathomable pain and all you're out here doing is putting your little anti-human, anti-religion diatribes out there. Grow up! There is real suffering out there in the world. You're lucky you've never had to deal with it!
May I suggest that on this Holy Day, those of us who believe in a higher power, pray for the people on this forum who are obviously very ill in spirit and morals.
A lot of people who do believe in a higher power don't see this day as a holy day. But just another day when some people, who are members of a silly bronze-age death cult, think everything is "all about them" and everyone else can f/o. Wow, come to think of it, most mainstream American christians think that way EVERY day.
Would say for someone who earlier in these boards claims to have a Masters in Religious Theory DMorgan really doesn't have a clue. What did a Christian ever do to you personally or a Muslim or a Buddhist or Judaism. By all of your arguments you have something against each of these religions because all believe in a higher power over our lives. And yes I have studied all of these religions you may be atheist that is your right just as it is my right to be a Mormon. Better yet look into Scientology since its obvious you believe in the equally unprovable THEORY of evolution.
Would say for someone who earlier in these boards claims to have a Masters in Religious Theory DMorgan really doesn't have a clue.
Well, first of all, I said i have a Masters in Religious History. So, when it comes to having a clue, try a class in Reading Comprehension...
By all of your arguments you have something against each of these religions because all believe in a higher power over our lives.
Oh, that's what you concluded, aye?
And yes I have studied all of these religions you may be atheist that is your right just as it is my right to be a Mormon.
Oh, you studied them all, and the most reasonable one you came up with, for your life, was the story of Smitty's Golden Tablets, huh? LMFAO! And, next, you go on about Scientology, because you think that one is more whack than your own cult?
Wow, this place just gets more and more funny with each poster...
I have been watching your comments for awhile now and it's ok to have your opinion, but there is no need to disrespect others. I don't care what degree you have because that is only a piece of paper and a joke! Intellegent people are able to converse in a respectable matter and that is NOT obviously you, so if I were you I would realize how much of an a$$ I am and do the right thing and log off and throw your laptop out the window!!! God Bless and Merry Christmas Ebenezer Douche.
Once again, all your posts show me how easily you toss your values, and refuse to live your own mythical jesus' Golden Rule. why don't you go find his tomb and pee right into his grave, and show your mythical jesus how you really feel about his teachings? it's what people like you do every day!
What's funnier is I'm reading Danny and Best Destiny with every single obsessive post on every article that you've created your usual angry disturbance on because you really are disturbed, aren't you Danny???
Would you please get some help??? REAL help...soon.
What a horror! Peace to the souls of the deceased on their journey to the beyond and healing to the survivors as they make their way through pain and suffering toward love and life. Blessings to all!
Its amazing how many idiot people find humor in this sad story...Another reason why the United States will eventually fall like Rome....and I will be laughing at all the FAT Americans who call themselves Christians when this happens!!
No offense, but I seriously doubt god was paying any attention to them. If there was a god blessing their souls, he should have done it before they burned to death. Blessings now? Too little too late.
No offense, but I seriously doubt god was paying any attention to them. If there was a god blessing their souls, he should have done it before they burned to death. Blessings now? Too little too late.
It is always tragic to hear about fires where there is loss of life. This one sounds like it took most, if not all, of a family. My heart goes out to the survivors and the family(ies) of those lost this morning.
Heather, I agree with your post.
My heart and prayers also go out with yours to the family(ies) of those lost...their friends as well.
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Its truly sad how many house fires start during Christmas, due to the nature of the holiday. Whether its the tree catching fire. Or the electrical shorting out. Or that extra heater malfunctioning. Or a candle falling over. etc. etc. Even the number of kitchen fires goes up, because of the extra cooking most do. Condolences to the survivors and their family and friends. This is no way to remember Christmas..
it isn't so much that fires happen on x-mas as the whole medias combing through literally thousands of stories to bring us the "gloom and doom report" gotta have that whole "dirty laundry " thing as the song says dont ya know....... bummer........:(
Amazing- some people can find humor (dark and sick) in something as tragic as a house fire killing several people.
I just hope the smoke got them before the fire did.
I have to agree. Hopefully they were out before the fire came. The neighor heard screaming, I hope that they didn't suffer and went quickly. Such a horrible & tragic way to pass. My prayers to the family & friends of those involved. I hope the survivors have a swift & painless recovery.
Horrible tragedy. Of all days to happen, but today. Might be from decorative lights or circuit overload. Aren't smoke alarms mandatory in CT?
Just because alarms may be mandatory, doesn't mean they were used, were functioning properly or were in the correct placement to even detect the smoke.
The people who find this humorous have obviously never experienced a tragedy in their life.
Dani....who wouldnt see the humor in the fact that young children were probably in there beds excited and dreaming of what santa might of brought them, instead woke to the horror of their family members burning to death???? Some people hate themselves so much they can find humor in other peoples misery.
Your spot on SPF. It never ceases to amaze me at the callousness of some people. They either really hate themselves or have too much free time on their hands, to mock others or stir up people emotions with stupid comments.
I wonder how many times that poor neighbor will relive those screams.
This is such a sad story, for any day of the week.
What's ironic is -- you just described American mainstream christianity. Of course, they go out and CAUSE the misery in millions of lives, and THEN find joy in it...
Wow DMorgan... you are proving Jesus right. "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.."
Wow, a cult book's creature says "later on, people will not believe in me, and some of you will be hated for following me."
And something like that ends up being true -- because cult members from one cult ALWAYS hate the members of another cult (which christians themselves show continually). WOW! WHAT A PREDICTION!! AMAZING!! WHOOOPPPEEEEEEE!!!
DMorgan sounds jealous because he doesn't have the capability to believe in a religion :D may the ONE true God bless you on his Son's birthday, I hope you find peace, and I am not being sarcastic...people like you reinforce why Christians are seen as over zealous...we must defend ourselves vigorously against people like you.
DMorgan you are an idiot
@DMorgan,
You "nailed" it right there. Religious cults is what founded this country, it is also the reason for most of the hate and anguish in this country, but most humans have evolved to not believe in fairy tales after age 8-10. Unfortunately not everyone has yet. They have come very close to proving what is responsible for the universes creation, but you have the nuts that say, " well then what created the particle that creadted the universe? It must be god". "Well then who created God to create the particle" is the next question. Nutcases.
How awful! My prayers for the family & friends of those involved. I hope the 2 that made it out have a swift recovery. This is such a tragedy for the family & the town they live in. I think it's sick that people can find humor in such a tragic event. There is a special place in hell for people with no heart or soul.
Ah yes. More BuyBull threats from the Death Cult members...
Lisa... there is no 'special' place in hell. This is why Jesus wants all to come to the knowledge of the truth and is not willing that any should perish. It is sad that people use a tragedy such as this to spew hatred though.
Yes there are. And I'm sure it's Mayor, Penny Nemeth, would disagree with you. They have one of the best Ice Cream places anywhere, and a cool little mini-golf course, too. There are several special places to go there. I've been to Hell, MI, twice now. It's a cool town...
...or, wait a minute. Were you talking about another mythical place that your cult wrings its hands about all the time, scares children with, and yet, you cannot prove it exists?
DMorgan - Since you know all about the afterlife or lack thereof, please enlighten us more about it. Since you cannot prove that it doesn't exist your argument is futile.
Laura there actually is a special place in hell. Read more and understand that there is a place in hell that makes the other part of hell look more like earth than hell. My prayers to everyone who lived through that awful experience and to those cold hearted people who need more prayer than anyone else.
Crying shame. Why do you need to LIE in order to debate? I have NEVER said I know all about it. Why do you need to misrepresent what people say in order to participate? Isn't their something in your Cult Book about Bearing False Witness? Is your cult's jesus-creature OK with you telling lies like this?
I have ONLY said that there isn't a shred of proof to support the cultist and divine claims made by your cult and your cult book, BuyBull. There is no proof of an afterlife. Just as there is no proof of an easter bunny or Odin or leprechauns. I am not obligated to follow cult nonsense in this Country, and neither is anyone else. There isn't any evidence to suggest that the BuyBull's outrageous, divine claims are factual or real. Period. It rates right up there with leprechauns and anything else mythical.
Also, the burden of proof isn't upon "everyone else" to DISPROVE when people come along with some outrageous claim that an invisible cult creature exists somewhere, and is listening to everyone's hand-mumbling. It's YOUR claim, it's YOURS to prove... Likewise, it isn't up to "everyone else" to disprove claims of leprechauns oe the easter bunny or Odin, either. If someone wishes to claim they are real and factual, it is up to THEM to prove their outrageous claim, not others to disprove it. (Let me guess -- you failed Logic 101, and likewise failed any class where the Scientific Method was applied...)
If your own argument had any merit, perhaps you would have no need to lie about what I've said in order to try and make some reply to me? Try being honest once. Try Living Your Values Every Day, instead of just pissing on your jesus-creature and everything he's supposedly taught you, every time someone challenges you. That would be a neat trick -- something I've never seen any christian do so far: actually Living Their Values Every Day.
DMorgan, we are not perfect, just forgiven. When we fail ( and we do ) to live out our daily values we are forgiven by Jesus and encouraged to try again.
Just as Jesus wants to forgive you..........all you have to do is ask for it.
Is that honest enough for you?
Those are just more unprovable cult claims. No more factual than if you made the statement that Odin was going to forgive you, or leprechauns will.
Unprovable, non-factual cult gibberish. So sad that you need the crutch of cultism to get through life...
to Dmorgan-
if there is no God, hell, Jesus or heaven, and we all go to nothingness when we die-what does it matter how anyone lives....those children who perished in the fire went to the same nothingness that a Hitler or child rapist/mass murderer did,....they never knew they lived or what they done in life was wrong or right....history may record events just for the living but if our planet dies completely there will just be nothingness and this moment, these comments will be nothing as if they never existed......BUT............ if there is a God, Jesus, heaven hell and all those other things you claim mythical, then those children are now in the arms of a loving God. Or do you blame that mythical God you claim does not exist for that fire? Actually, on the judgement day, I cannot stand behind or blame anyone else for my sins, beliefs or lack thereof(the bible says all men will give account) I will not be able to say to God, I believed what Dmorgan said. I may not be able to prove there is or is not a God to you or anyone else but there is tons of evidence. Just like you look at those who claim to be christian and do not act like it you come to the conclusion there must not be a god based on their misactions. Do you stop using electricity because of some electrician messed up your wiring? Do you throw out all your toilets and faucets because a plumber messed up your plumbing? instead you go out and find someone who can do those jobs properly and restore your utilities! I wish and pray the best for you and that God's Holy Spirit will show you the truth. Will you believe in God if you find good christians living like they should? there are many out there!
DMorgan, I can't understand why you would seize onto the tragedy of the deaths of five people in order to spew your venom onto everyone else. Can't you just show compassion to the people who lost their family members? I am not a churchgoer or avid believer in God but I definitely don't discount the idea that something more is out there. I also agree that there are many terrible things done both in the name of Christianity and by Christians by terrible people, who can be part of any religion or belief system. That doesn't mean that all Christians or non-Atheists need to be tarred with the same brush. It also doesn't give you the right to come on here and try your hardest to be horrible to people. If someone wants to say God, then let them. If they just want to wish the family well and put them in their prayers, then let them. If you want to just wish the family well but not put them in your prayers because you don't believe in God, then we would let you without attacking you as you've done to others. I believe firmly in freedom of speech but your posts are not so much in defense of your beliefs as they are designed to upset those whose beliefs you deride so harshly. Have you considered that you are as much a part of a cult as those you ridicule? Look in the mirror before you post again you troll.
Nope! Very silly thing to say...another mindless defense mechanism...
God Bless the people who were killed in the fire, help the survivors and help them get through this. Also please pray for the remaining family members what a terrible thing to happen even more tragic on Christmas. People please have compassion on articles like this not some of the crude hateful comments. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL OF YOU AND GOD BLESS THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS OF THOSE IN THE FIRE.
nice "god blessings" there... but if your cult god was really interested in their welfare, maybe he wouldn't have let two parents and three little kids burn to death in a house fire.
however, the next day comes along, and some of you will think your cult god randomly and occationally spares your 67-year-old Aunt Phyllis from colon cancer, when you can't explain otherwise how it happened, because 11 of you were sitting outside her door hand-mumbling to your unprovable cult creatures....
ugh. the mindless religious nuttery and whack-jobbery that you people portray on a daily basis. the miracle is that some of you can feed yourselves and wipe yourselves without help from someone else!
DMorgan, You sir/maam are a nasty specimen of a human being.
Yeah -- it's a shame when anyone comes in here and:
1. speaks factually
2. points out the hypocrisy of people who claim to be cult followers of a "creature of love and brotherhood" and yet, say things like "If you would die a horrible death it would be a Big Plus for all of us" (and) "You are a douche bag and I hope that if this ever happens to your family, some a-hole will blame you for it. Merry Christmas @!$%#!" (and) "Too bad you werent in the house too" (and) well, and on and on and on with all the Really Impressive things that christians say to other people, while clothing themselves in the name of a Teacher who taught NOTHING of the sort.
Some of you people don't even grasp what lowlifes you are to your own cause and to your own values. There isn't a single one of you who can Live Your Values Every Day. So, you get pissed-off at people like me for pointing it out!!
What a colossal joke you are!
dmorgan is a souless troll who is off his meds and who posts under many names.
I pray for you
Clearly, there is no "great plan" or meaning when things like this happen. Bad things happen to good people, and there is no trying to figure out why.
DMorgan, as a atheist all I can say is shut up. In America people are free to believe as the choose. Merry Solstice to one and all and a better New Year to all!
Life sucks regardless of a higher power or not. I don't know about anyone else's, but I know that my life pretty much bites the big one most of the time and from what I read on here, most other people's lives suck too. Except for that rich Indian guy. His life rocks.
Thank you Devil's Son...i am a Christian, but you are the kind of atheist like my two dear friends. Respect in a world where it is rare. Indeed, there is still hope for the world.
As an atheist my self I can say Dmorgan doesn't need a hell in an after life. With his attitude he has created a hell in his own mind he has to live in everyday.
It always makes me laugh when GODhaters and non believers start spewwing diarrhea of the mouth, especially Dmorgan. Maybe he's p!ssed because he can only allow hate to flow in blackness that used to be his heart. I THINK I WILL PRAY FOR HIM. People shoud not ram their beliefs down others throats, it only confirms their lack of RESPECT AND INTELLEGENCE!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS AND GOD BLESS EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY THIS FAMILY, EVEN YOU DMORGAN!!!
DMorgan, I cannot believe that anyone could be so unmoved by the death of five people - the better part of a family! All so that you can come online to promote your own beliefs at the expense of others. I am by no means an active Christian (haven't been to church in fifteen years) but I do believe that there are many things out there we still do not understand, including possibly a God. Does that make me one of your cult members then? If so, I'd be proud to call myself one if it means I'm nothing like you. I wish the best for the rest of the family and survivors.
i never said i was unmoved. that's ridiculous.
but it also doesn't mean i'm incapable of discussing other topics.
cheers!
Dry Christmas trees, candles, electricity, and the basic jimmie-rigged nature of cheap holiday decorations might have played a part in this.
Add to that an old house that probably had knob-and-tube wiring, old wood windows painted shut, balloon framing with no fireblocks, and you've got a prescription for disaster.
Let's all learn a lesson from this. Fire safety is only useful if it's done BEFORE a fire.
Thank you for sharing some details regarding older housing... It can help me and others what to inquire if shopping and/or renovating. What happened is a tragedy and I'm sadened by the loss of a family.. I live in New England and I see many homes evoking concerns about safety particularly the typical designs involving shingles.
Most community fire departments will give you a no-cost fire safety review of your property. They are all about preventing these things from happening too.
Alternately, a city building inspector might be able to do it as well, depending on your community (it's a requirement of most commercial properties to have a fire safety inspection/review).
Most community fire departments also give away free smoke detectors. If you don't have one or you're not sure if yours is working - go get one.
A lot of people where I live actually go to bed leaving their outside and inside lights on.
Here too, DS and it always amazes me that they are that careless. My house is 156 years old....my Dad is an electrician. Needless to say, I've learned to never leave anything that is unnecessary turned on....not to overload circuits and, never take a short-cut on electricity.
Amen to all the caring posts about this tragic event. For all of you who make jokes and light of this, GO AWAY! your comments are not needed here.
Reading that this home was under renovation makes me think that maybe a power tool or something that was misued caused this tragic fire. How sad this happened on Christmas. God does not cause the pain and suffering people have, people cause it. There are people starving to death in this world, not caused by God but by those of us who stand by and do NOTHING! We let those people starve to death, we who have so much, such excesses, we let it happen. Did you ever see what restaurant rhrows out, each piece of lettuce must be perfect or it's thrown away, The wasted food food could feed many people for a week. That's my point, we let people starve, go homeless or without clothes, books, medical treatment, and yet people blame God. He gave us our abilities and when we misuse them, others suffer. We are our Brothers' keepers. God Bless those who died in this fire and I pray those who were injured recover quickly. Merry Christmas!!!!
You can't even prove your god-creature exists, but you can sit there and proclaim what he is responsible for? Yet, any time that people think someone was cured of cancer (or something questionable) -- and they can't exactly explain it, members of the christian Death Cult jump aboard the miracle-train and start demanding that goddidit. yet, their god creature will NEVER go into a veterans hospital or childrens hospital, and cure someone's lost eye, or missing arms or legs. why not? gee, i wonder... (answer: the BuyBull is a fraud.)
christians are often such hypocritical whack-jobs.
your god creature is said to be all-knowing and all time. he is also said to have created evil, and to have created your mythical satan creature -- with full knowledge of what would happen. and he isn't to blame for it? nice logic, folks. if your cult god is all about miracles, why did those two adults and three kids have to burn to death on the jesus-myth's "birthday, but not-birthday"?
@DMorgan - I am not going to try or attempt to tell you about God or Christianity. I see that no matter what is said you have your own theories to "rebut" others beliefs. However, I would ask you to let us all "fools" who do believe share the good word and spread some words of hope for those in need or pray for those who have suffered in this or other tragedies. I do respect that you do not believe, now you please respect us who do. Before I forget, no, there is no need for you to comment on this. Thank you.
Good - already have a Masters in religious history. You'd only look foolish.
The only "theory" i have is the fact that not one shred of proof exists to support the divine cult beliefs of ANY of the world's cults. Period. And that isn't a theory, punkin! Odin, leprechauns, jesus, zeus - I don't care what mythical creature you subscribe to, there is no proof to support the divine/magical claims of any of them.
The BuyBull is mostly bad words. And nobody is stopping you from spreading the mythical nonsense. Theire is a tax-free BuyBull-based cult building on practically every street corner in America. Are you stoned??
How am I or anyone else stopping you from hand-mumbling to your cult creatures? You really are a silly little thing...
If cultists feel that they need to jump on the shoulders of tragedy to preach their mythical nonsense to everyone, fine. If you can't hand-mumble in silence (which, by the way, your jesus creature commands you to do!) --- but you feel the need to jump on the shoulders of tragedy to preach your inane crap to the world, then in a Free Country based upon many rights including Free Speech, be aware and cognizant of the fact that others (who believe in such crazy concepts like logic, reason and critical thought) also get to speak -- and often will speak their counterpoints to the illogic and cultist nonsense that you people continually yap about at every opportunity.
Cheers!
DMorgan I can't prove you exist either, as you are only words (hateful ones at that) on a page. What is evident though, is that the words God wrote and the words that you write speak volumes about who each of you are!
Wow Laura! Great logic!
(laugh)
Fourth grade must've been the best three years of your life...
DMorgan = petty little thumbdick
Anal_Ream? There is no way that could be a real name.
Haha. Im with this guy ^
DMorgan, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
Glad you suspended Morgan, Sally!!!!!!!!!!! don't wait so long next time..Thanks!
People like DMorgan do not belong on a public site if all he wants to do is use it to torture other people and overlook the real significance of the story - that 5 people died horribly. Nothing else matters.
torture? LOL. Drama much?
I feel sorry for those who feel the need to post such comments in light of a terrible tragedy. I can only hope you find your way back to the light.
maybe it's cloudy outside and the sun isn't visible!
God bless the silly little athiest for he not knows what he does..
to DMorgan:
Except for weddings and funerals, I haven't set foot in a church in well over two decades. Organized religion holds little appeal for me, but I have no problem with those who do enjoy church and get something out of it. I do believe in a higher power, but I also believe that the God who is worshipped by Christians, Jews and Muslims is the same God. Each society develops its own customs. The only time it's a problem is when those customs cause harm to others. Why do you find it so hard to respect the religious rights of others? It seems to me that although you spew your hatred of religious people, you're the one who has a problem. You have nothing but hateful comments for anyone who doesn't believe what you want them to believe, and you have no respect for the rights of others to believe in and practice their chosen religions. If being "educated" and "enlightened" means that I would have to be like you, all I can say is......NO THANKS.
He should go to a country that he feels thinks like him and live there.....get our of America.
How utterly awful... I hope the survivor's condition isn't critical and they can physically have a productive life and if they're a relative they can have a nourishing environment to recover within and live out a fruitful life with good intervention and/or counseling. May the Love of God richly influence them and provide reasonable peace in time for their recovery and sincere condolences to the family.
So trajic to hear this frommy home town, May God please bless the family's give them peace in mind. My prayers are with you....../
DougCoe22201
You are a sick SOB...People died, Innocent children.. The two individuals who got out will live with that horror until the day they die... You aint funny...You need to see a shrink!
I saw a real tree go up in flames in the window of a home. It took less than one minute for the entire tree was gone and the living room in full flame. So I took my real tree down, put it out in the yard for the birds and bought an artifcial tree. So very sad for that family.
Stamford is where I was born and raised, and although I live somewhere else now, it is eerie to say the least, when you see or hear about something like that. My heart goes out to the families. Nothing worse could have happened.
So they don't know yet what caused it? I'll put odds on a Christmas Tree fire. Ever seen one of those go up? Used to burn ours after season by fire pit....WHOOSH like a roman candle doused in gasoline!
RIP.
The way our government looks at it: 5 less tax payers
The way our planet looks at it: 5 less polluters
The way I look at it: 5 Less a-holes I have to deal with
Selmers - I'm betting you're a simple little person who doesn't have empathy for anyone but expects everyone to mind their way when around you. Someone who thinks they have the power to decide who is good and who is not. A very unhappy person who feels cheated out of the "Good Life" by all the others around you who seem to be happy. Go out and get some self esteem @!$%#.
Merry Christmas!
If you would die a horrible death it would be a Big Plus for all of us
wow...how obtuse...seek professional help
Thanks for another Golden christian comment, Carl. There's nothing quite like the death-wishes from another member of the most tragic Death Cult to ever occupy the planet.
Very impressive!
You guys are a REAL home run!!
Um, how do you know if Carl is a Christian or not? He didn't throw his religion or non religion into this.
To Carl, How shameful a comment. May God have mercy on your soul.
Wow! Carl and DMorgan are quite a pair of humanists. You two ought to get together sometime. These people suffered an awful tragedy - the survivors, the families of those who were lost, those who died possibly dying an excruciating death. Who cares about religion or effing pollution - their families have to deal with a devastating loss. Do you even know what's that like? To lose the people whom you hold dear? To know that for the rest of your life on every single December 26th you have to think about your little grandchildren, your daughter, your son, whatever relation they may be - burning to death or choking to death on smoke??? Have some freaking compassion. There are people in this world who have to deal with unfathomable pain and all you're out here doing is putting your little anti-human, anti-religion diatribes out there. Grow up! There is real suffering out there in the world. You're lucky you've never had to deal with it!
Fact is, you all suck! The only thing that would have made this story better is if it was you and your family too.
Marked inflammatory. Very sad.
May I suggest that on this Holy Day, those of us who believe in a higher power, pray for the people on this forum who are obviously very ill in spirit and morals.
A lot of people who do believe in a higher power don't see this day as a holy day. But just another day when some people, who are members of a silly bronze-age death cult, think everything is "all about them" and everyone else can f/o. Wow, come to think of it, most mainstream American christians think that way EVERY day.
DMorgan - Please explain further who this silly bronze-age death cult is exactly.
jb: Well said. Pay no attention to those that will never pass up an opportunity to promote their Godophobic bigoted beliefs.
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let me just say I will pray for your soul.
Can you prove a soul exists, and that your cult creatures somehow have supreme, sovereign control over it forever?
yeah ... i didn't think so...
ROFLMAO! Yeah, I'm afraid of your mythical cult creatures...along with leprechauns and the easter bunny. Harry Potter scares me, too!
LMAO!
dmorgan, would you please get real ?
guys please dont feed the trolls...they may multiply and there are enough of them here to begin with........:)
Don't even call him a troll...he deserves no title.
Would say for someone who earlier in these boards claims to have a Masters in Religious Theory DMorgan really doesn't have a clue. What did a Christian ever do to you personally or a Muslim or a Buddhist or Judaism. By all of your arguments you have something against each of these religions because all believe in a higher power over our lives. And yes I have studied all of these religions you may be atheist that is your right just as it is my right to be a Mormon. Better yet look into Scientology since its obvious you believe in the equally unprovable THEORY of evolution.
Well, first of all, I said i have a Masters in Religious History. So, when it comes to having a clue, try a class in Reading Comprehension...
Oh, that's what you concluded, aye?
Oh, you studied them all, and the most reasonable one you came up with, for your life, was the story of Smitty's Golden Tablets, huh? LMFAO! And, next, you go on about Scientology, because you think that one is more whack than your own cult?
Wow, this place just gets more and more funny with each poster...
I have been watching your comments for awhile now and it's ok to have your opinion, but there is no need to disrespect others. I don't care what degree you have because that is only a piece of paper and a joke! Intellegent people are able to converse in a respectable matter and that is NOT obviously you, so if I were you I would realize how much of an a$$ I am and do the right thing and log off and throw your laptop out the window!!! God Bless and Merry Christmas Ebenezer Douche.
Once again, all your posts show me how easily you toss your values, and refuse to live your own mythical jesus' Golden Rule. why don't you go find his tomb and pee right into his grave, and show your mythical jesus how you really feel about his teachings? it's what people like you do every day!
What's funnier is I'm reading Danny and Best Destiny with every single obsessive post on every article that you've created your usual angry disturbance on because you really are disturbed, aren't you Danny???
Would you please get some help??? REAL help...soon.
Our condolences to the remaining family members.
What a horror! Peace to the souls of the deceased on their journey to the beyond and healing to the survivors as they make their way through pain and suffering toward love and life. Blessings to all!
It seems to happen every year. So so sad. God bless their souls.
A family wiped out. So sad.
Its amazing how many idiot people find humor in this sad story...Another reason why the United States will eventually fall like Rome....and I will be laughing at all the FAT Americans who call themselves Christians when this happens!!
Some of the heartless comments left here are beyond disgusting. It goes to show some of you are nothing more than a poor excuse of existence.
How very sad this Christmas Morning. may God bless their Souls and a special prayer for the whole Family
No offense, but I seriously doubt god was paying any attention to them. If there was a god blessing their souls, he should have done it before they burned to death. Blessings now? Too little too late.
Bad things happen all the time.
Well said!
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