Brilliant indeed. But here's a thought. These police are a product of the Patriot Act. They simply USE that and the excuse of "safety" to harass and attack young kids elderly and anyone else who has the GUMPTION to speak up and speak there mind. Un American? Of course the Patriot act is un American. The law enforcement mainly the feds are probably collecting data on all those protesting in Fusion centers. ; ]

Sadly this is the sate of affairs left over from republican rule for 8 years. Besides the economic collapse mass foreclosures absolute corruption you have anti political threats. Which is to say ANYONE who goes against tea bagging republican extremist views. They then USE law enforcement in the name of SAFETY to go after you and your family with death threats lies propaganda and hate. It happened to me before this protest movement existed. So we are prepared indeed. ; ]

What is more is how police are always the uneducated who simply do the bidding of those in there political higher Archy. Never questioning anything . Even when those very people they are beholden to are NOW taking away there unions collective bargaining pensions and pay. I LUV it Maaan ! ; ]

You should ALL be ashamed of yourselves. But I KNOW that you are not.. So SHAME on you!

Cheers

What is more is how police are always the uneducated who simply do the bidding of those in there political higher Archy.

LOL.

Mowdy5gs, and the democrat party was suppose to end the patriot act. Instead they extended it. So please take your party blinders off they are really clouding your judgment. Repubs & Dems are the same now. Both parties are corrupt and paid for. A police state is what both parties have been aiming for and now they have it. People like you are living in the past. Yes Bush passed the most unconstitutional piece of legislature in American history & yes Obama said he would end it, but instead he extended it. They're all a bunch of @!$%#ing liars!

Yes Bush passed the most unconstitutional piece of legislature in American history

Actually the most unconstitutional pieces of legislature in American history were the Alien and Sedition Acts passed during the John Adams administration.

Damn Joe you must be really old. Its sad if you support the UN-patriot act. Hopefully thats not the case.

Wait just a moment Miss. als.. ; ] I was supposed to end the patriot act? Me? Really? Hmm. You must enlighten me to the actuality of the HEIGHT of my power. Des it know no bounds my dear?

And I hope you are not assuming I am a democrat. Especially when all you need do is ask. ; ]

Cheers

Damn Joe you must be really old.

Nope, I just know my US history. You apparently don't. But I don't blame you, I blame the public education system.

Its sad if you support the UN-patriot act.

That's odd, I didn't SEE him say that he supported it. Did you see that? Where did you see that? Point it out.

In my opinion, we will only have a few chances to take America back from the corrupt institutions. If it's not OWS and the original Tea Party that was formed by the supporters of Ron Paul, than the next iteration of protest is going to be a lot more radical and probably violent.

To the witty conservatrolls, how do you support regime change in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya etc, etc, etc... But can't seem to extend any courtesy to your fellow Americans, who are calling for the institutions in the United States to be free of corruption?

To be clear the corrupt institutions I speak of are the corporations, Banks and Financial institutions, our government and the corporate owned media, the military industrial complex, health care institutions, insurance companies, etc, etc, etc...

Note I support our troops, I don't support either corrupt political party, Vote out the incumbents, for true term limits.

To the witty conservatrolls, how do you support regime change in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya etc, etc, etc... But can't seem to extend any courtesy to your fellow Americans, who are calling for the institutions in the United States to be free of corruption?

We are tired of those who demand more and more government and then complain that it's too corrupt. Well, duh! Government is inherently corrupt. And government dependence is inherently corrupting. That is why we should have a limited government.

People complain that corporations are buying political influence. Well ask yourselves, would they be able to buy it if it wasn't for sale? And would they need to buy it if government regulations were applied equally instead of giving breaks to some and not others, or penalizing some and not others?

The problem is government, and too much of it. Until that problem is fixed, there is no reason to expect change anywhere else.

Hey dude calm down, deep breaths and all that. I'm sorry American corporations are corrupt, and Santa doesn't exist, sorry. So have you heard of that thing called the Internet? You know you can do research on the net. Here are some key word searches you might try: corporate corruption i.e. Enron, Tyco, AIG, Goldman Sachs, etc, etc, etc... I really don't have the time, or the place to list all the examples of the last 100 years or so, try that research thing.

I also do not support either corrupt political party, to be clear they are both the same, corrupt. Is government too big, Heck Yeah!

Is this a terrorist manifesto?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Declaration of Independance

I'm confused, why haven't the occupy group spread pepper spray amongst its group and when the police use it, you pepper spray the police. Seems to me if they can use it so can you. If they shoot at you, shoot back. every time they escalate it, do the same. Get a group and remove officials cars from parking lots. Put up signs saying if we cant camp here, you cant park here. Quid Pro Quo.

maybe because that would constitute assault on a police officer which carried jail time and in some places is a felony( usually 1 yr minimum jail time ) , where as a failure to obey is a simple misdemeanor , with nothing more than a fine that is usually suspended , and your back out on the street ready to protest again brenda .

The bottom line in this whole situation is that people do have the right to protest, but not the right to turn a public park into a shantytown. If nothing was said, inside of six months EVERY park would become home for a contingent of "protesters"; you can bet the rent on it...

This is really important for all Law Enforcement to read: All three branches of our government, the Military, all Law Enforcement, all Heads of the States, all federal employees are required to take an Oath to support and defend the US Constitution and NOT an individual leader, ruler, office, or entity.

If you forgot what the Oath was you were required to take said: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."

Notice that protecting the US Constitution is listed as the very first thing you are to protect above the duties of your job. A lot do not realize that by not protecting the US Constitution they are assisting the Domestic Enemies within our government, our country with destroying our nation from within.

"Domestic enemies pursue legislation, programs against the powers of the US Constitution. They work on destroying and weakening the Rights of the People guaranteed by the Constitution. Plus they create laws, amendments, etc that goes against the restraint on the three branches of our government by the Constitution."

The Founding Fathers recognized that a citizen can become a domestic enemy of our country. They even took it a step further, they understood the possibility of a political leader, a soldier, an officer in the military, or even the President could become an enemy of the Constitution.

To some degree, our country and our Constitution have been under assault, domestically, for decades. It appears the progression of the attack has escalated over time to even include a total disregard of the law of the land.

We currently have elected officials who have taken the above oath and yet want to get rid of the protections the Constitution provides to the people. We have those in Congress who have stretched the meaning of certain phrases of the "living document" so that they no longer resemble the written word.

Obama has stated that the Constitution is a "document of negative liberties." What perspective is he looking at the Constitution from, in order to have that opinion? The Bill of Rights is not a list of negative liberties to each of us, but a list of stated restrictions upon the federal government. The "Rights" do not restrict you and me, they limit what the politicians and bureaucrats do to or against us.

In order to view the Bill of Rights as "negative liberties", Obama and his administration would have to be seeing them from the viewpoint of how they limit what they can do to the people.

With adversaries to the Constitution within the highest levels of the three branches of our government, what are we to do? What are the sworn defenders (Law Enforcement and the Military) to do? At what point is non-political action necessary? If there was never intended to be action to defend the Constitution from those who are domestically attempting to destroy its power and authority, why would each oath require that?

So Knine, should all local parks become encampments of "protesters"? While I do agree with the frustrations expressed by the OWS people, you can bet that's what would happen; I've been around for a long time, and I've seen over and over how "good intentions" can get corrupted...

Mark in Wyomingmaybe because that would constitute assault on a police officer which carried jail time and in some places is a felony( usually 1 yr minimum jail time ) , where as a failure to obey is a simple misdemeanor , with nothing more than a fine that is usually suspended , and your back out on the street ready to protest again brenda .

So let me get this straight, you are peacefully protesting and they come along and pepper spray you and physically abuse you and that's OK, but when you do it back its a felony? Doesn't that seem a little one sided?

brenda,

I don't think pepper spraying the police would have much of an effect anyway. If you watched the video, you would notice that the police are all wearing plastic face guards. You would not be able to get the pepper spray into their eyes. Maybe a better tactic would be for the protestors to also be equipped with plastic face guards and maybe gas masks as well. It would be more equal that way. You might want to throw in some bullet-proof vests for the demonstrators, too.

greed extends to all levels of society. is the greed of, say, enron, any different than the greed of a protestor demanding their student loan be forgiven? both want something for nothing, or more than they can legally produce. i say we've all become more selfish as a nation; and a nation of envious whiners. don t tell me people can t "make it" by hard work anymore - look at Jobs, or zuckerman.... what's happened is that people want what madison ave is selling, without having to work for it.

This is a breakdown in Police Leadership. The protesters have the right to exercise their 1st amendment rights. This was not a situation where they were sitting in the middle of a busy highway, or blocking entrance to facilities. The Chief of Police needs to explain with certainty...not guessing...why the use of force was needed if the students didn't fit above. By and large the protests nationwide have been largely non-violent unless Police intervene with force. There has been a complete lack a dialog with the protesters at the majority of sites where violence has erupted. Look at Madison Wi, or Seattle for good examples of crowd control and peaceful demonstration. It can be done, and it needs to be done in this manner.

You take care of your family, you love your children and teach them and you keep your powder dry!

That is really the best thing you can do because things are going to change.

Sure you can gripe and moan but it is what it is, only that and nothing more. it don't mean a thing. If you do your best, stay prepared and draw your lines carefully then at least you can go down with a dog or two at your feet. Heck that is all a man can really ask in life isn't it?

No one gets out of here alive and it is always a good day to die!

Agree totally, but they seem to think that confrontation will somehow get their point, whatever it is, across.

@FreedomRingsLoud: Your comments belie your moniker. You, my friend, are a hypocrite and a sucka$$.

All my recent observations of the "protesters", would lead most to believe that they are in fact NOT protesters at all, but "campers". "Protesting" is one thing, but "quasi-camping" is just wrong!! Whats next, "texting on an empty stomach" or "illegal down loads of It's A Wonderful Life"??? I say pepper spray is to good for the bunch of them. Next time, ZaRex and Pop-tarts, that'll teach-em!!!

brenda @1.19, some places it is a felony to strike a uniformed police officer in the preformance of their job , and thats exactly what these guys were doing , agree with it or not .there is also laws against others interfering as well , i know you have heard of people getting busted for mouthing off to an officer that was busting their friend ?n thats what they get busted for , interference .

brenda , considering what tools the police do have at their disposal , personally I think this particula tool , the spray , lowered the risk of personal injury to the protesters , the way the protesters were intertwined , and locked ridgid , i can envision a lot more broken bones if the spray wasnt used and physically peeling people apart that didnt want to come apart , overzealousness on both sides could have ended up worse . About the only tool I havent seen used yet in any of these protests? water trucks , not nessisarily high pressure fire hoses or water cannons , but water mist , and streams , with the weather , , wet down a protester in even 60 degree weather at night ? and they get cold .whats the forcasts in the protest zones for temps ? that could be used next and isnt life threatening , now if they stay out in the cold when their wet ....

Is this a terrorist manifesto?

@ Jane -- actually, at the time, it rather WAS (had "terrorist" been in the lexicon). But you make an extremely valid point.

There are many similarities between the original Sons of Liberty and other American Revolution era protesters and what the OWS people are doing now, including civil disobedience (sorry folks if you don't like hearing that, but it's true).

For example ... what was the original Tea Party? It was (in British eyes, the legitimate government at the time) a group of thugs who dressed up and destroyed valuable property. In other words, a crime.

Actually the most unconstitutional pieces of legislature in American history were the Alien and Sedition Acts passed during the John Adams administration.

@Joe. Great historical tie in. Might I also add the Espionage Act of 1917 to your list?

And finally @sick of liberals, might I suggest you read a bit more carefully before jumping to assumptions. Just because Joe pointed out some historical facts, does NOT mean he supports the Patriot Act. He might, or might not ... but the post did not say.

@JaneEco- Thank you for the reminder of what our country was supposed to stand for. I personally post the First and Fourth amendment much more often than should be necessary. Unfortunately it seems as though those who disparage OWS and their like compatriots do not know how to read, instead preferring to listen to uber conservative talking heads and watching corporate media to be told what their opinions should be. So here is yet another refresher:

First - Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

Fourth - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I do find some seriously ironic humor in comments by those who complain that OWS hasn't the right to protest and OCCUPY because it inconveniences others. I guess someone needs to explain to them that revolution is often inconvenient.

The police are not harassing the protesters. The article points out that UC Davis officials said that the protesters can stay in the quad as long as they want, but they cannot camp there. The police game them until 3pm Friday to remove the tents. The Protesters refused and the Police had to forcibly remove the tents. This is not an issue of allowing dissent, this is about the protesters refusal to abide by the single rule regarding having a camp in that quad.

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Damn Joe you must be really old.

Nope, I just know my US history. You apparently don't. But I don't blame you, I blame the public education system."

So you assume I don't know my history, thats fine. A piece of legislature that was passed in the late 1700's with the deporting of alien residents whose home countries were at war, is unconstitutional. However the Patriot act takes the rights of every American citizen and flushes it straight down the @!$%#ter. If you support the Patriot act and the rights it takes from you than you sir are UN-American. See I don't disagree with you on the Sediton acts being unconstitutional but to bring up a piece of legislation passed in the late 1700's & compare it to the patriot act is well just asinine.

Mowdy5gs no need to ask what party you are affiliated with. Its pretty obvious by your comments. Believe it or not common sense still does exist with some people in this country.

mowdy5gs

Sadly this is the sate of affairs left over from republican rule for 8 years. Besides the economic collapse mass foreclosures absolute corruption you have anti political threats.

No this is what our country is coming too with people tired of being told what to do by our government. The Government had one purpose and that was to protect the USA, to protect us , and make sure our rights are kept.

The sole purpose of government, as stated in the Declaration of Independence, is to secure our unalienable rights given us by our Creator. When Government grows beyond this scope, it is usurpation, and liberty is compromised.

Your never going to see a harmony in this world or even in this country. Too much greed, to many self centered people.

Dont be surprised if you see another revolution some day.

See I don't disagree with you on the Sediton acts being unconstitutional but to bring up a piece of legislation passed in the late 1700's & compare it to the patriot act is well just asinine.

Why is that asinine? You're the one who said the Patriot Act is the "most unconstitutional piece of legislation in American history". When, in your opinion, did American history begin? 10 years ago?

Uh-h-h, yeah. Some people here need a little education.

In politics, Dem & Rep (Left & Right, Lib/Con) is an illusion. They serve the same masters. (see quotes below) They all promise change, but nothing actually gets better. And usually, things get worse. I read a post elsewhere and it said it pretty well:

Politicians should wear NASCAR racing outfits so you can see the patches of all the company's that sponsor them.

IIRC, there are something like 4-6 actual news "services" in the US. so regardless of how many stations there are, your news is going to come from one of these sources. So as long as you get your information from any one or more of those sources, you won't know what's really going on. (see quotes below) So below is a couple from outside the US. I challenge everyone to watch & LISTEN to them in their entirety. And these just scratch the surface... (see quotes below)

BBC Speechless As Trader Tells Truth Total Collapse (by design) Is Coming - 'Goldman Rules World'

Infamous Trader Alessio Rastani shows his support for the Occupy Wall Street movement

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"Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." -- Henry Kissinger

“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the (US) Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson — and I am not wholly excepting the Administration of Woodrow Wilson. The country is going through a repetition of Jackson's fight with the Bank of the United States — only on a far bigger and broader basis.” -- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Letter to Col. Edward Mandell House (21 November 1933)

"I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank.. You are a den of vipers and thieves. "
-- Andrew Jackson, 1834, on closing the Second Bank of the United States.

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence the claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." -- David Rockefeller "Memoirs" (Page 405)

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

"THE LAW: Policemen so cherish their status as "Peacekeepers" and "protectors of the public" that they have occasionally been known to beat to death those citizens or groups who question that status." -- Anonymous

To those that believe in the coincidence theories propagated by the "authorities"...

Remember the last words that Caesar uttered in the Roman Senate during that conspiracy: Et tu, Brute'? [and then Caesar fell.]

Q: Do you trust the federal government?
A: Ask the Native Americans!

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@ Knine - Good post! When the sheep finally figure out that this Dem/Rep division is just an illusion, I hope it isn't too late. Maybe the "Third Peril" of G. Washington's vision has just started...

Children, Children! ~_o

Unconstitutional is Unconstitutional. All of you involved in that little argument are actually fighting on the same side of the fence. It's like arguing "What's worse, Death by decapitation or death by firing squad?" Dead is dead.

What we need to do now is get people to the realization that the REAL fight is us vs. them. Maybe if people just started to understand that the tail has been wagging the dog for so long that it may be necessary for the dog to BITE the tail back into submission. Learn the Dick Act of 1902(3), and get prepared for whatever is around the corner.

Mark...mouthing off to a cop is not interferance, its freedom of speech. The cops call it interferance, but how does it prevent them from doing their duty? Its like video taping a cop, how is that interferance? To use one of the cops favorite terms...if they have nothing to hide..why do they object or destroy cameras?

You better wise up and quit following the company directives.

So Joe do you support the Patriot act? Do you support the Alien & sedition acts? When is the un-patriot act going to be ruled unconstitutional? Never if you keep electing who the lobbiest tell you to. So maybe try comparing the Patriot act to a piece of legislation that is still used today.
Point being the Patriot act violates every thing this country stands for.

Wow, this was very moving stuff. I usually see this kind of stuff happening in 3rd world countries and thank my lucky stars/god I live in America.

When this happens here in America, I am embarrassed to be American.

Uh, ahelir, the word is "interference"...

I believe some are coming down a little too hard on the OWS people. Although there will always be exceptions with any generality, most of the unemployed want to work, and don't expect to get free stuff. The economic reality has always been a range, and over the last 30 years the range has moved toward fewer jobs, lower buying power in the ones that remain, and college tuition that's in the stratosphere. A good number of today's elderly "self-made men" wouldn't be able to do it, under today's grim reality. And it's going to get worse, not better, in spite of GOP claims that all we need to do is cut taxes for the wealthy.

The students were given multiple warnings to leave the premises and that if they did not, they would be forcibly removed. Yes, pepper-spraying the students may have been excessive, but does anybody have a better idea for the police to use when asking people to leave? Batons? Rubber bullets? Tear Gas? Real bullets? Of all the possible means to forcibly remove a bunch of people (who have been warned to leave or risk physical harm), pepper-spray is probably the best option.

Also, one has to realize that the students had no intention of leaving. They linked arms and refused to move even after multiple warnings. I am sure most of the students knew that violence against them was inevitable and that was their plan: to get these images to the public.

Let us also not forget that the police did not prevent students from protesting. Students are allowed to protest as much as they want, but they are not allowed to camp out. There is a difference. The freedom of speech has not been trampled upon because the freedom to protest has not been taken away.

brenda1964

I'm confused, why haven't the occupy group spread pepper spray amongst its group and when the police use it, you pepper spray the police.

Yeah then the police open fire, great plan.

The most effective way to "clarify" one's opinion on the police's role would be to exclude any support for defending their jobs. Make it a policy to exclude the police forces budget from any efforts involving opposition to civil servants downsizing. It is rather insulting that they are brutalizing the very people that are struggling to defend them and their jobs. The first cuts for all municipal budgets needs to be the SWINES' troft.

Vic EldredThe police are not harassing the protesters. The article points out that UC Davis officials said that the protesters can stay in the quad as long as they want, but they cannot camp there. The police game them until 3pm Friday to remove the tents. The Protesters refused and the Police had to forcibly remove the tents. This is not an issue of allowing dissent, this is about the protesters refusal to abide by the single rule regarding having a camp in that quad.

Removing the tents I can understand, now, explain how casually walking up to the protesters sitting on the ground and pepper spraying them in the face helps them remove some tents they aren't even in?

Neo hippie's? Your really out of the loop! Those were college kids,people's children! And as for me,I support Occuypy Wall Street,and I'm a 53 year old dissabled ex trucke driver. You should get a clue as to whats going on and stop watching FOX News! Wake up! Your being dumbed down and played for a fool!

Those were college kids,people's children!

So were the old hippies back in the day... these are new hippies therefore neo-hippies is an accurate description.

I also don;'t think WMG-21 was taking a stance against OWS... hence his comment of "hang tough".

I respect their right to protest, absolutley. I also don't think they have an effective message - more a primal scream, which is OK as far as it goes, but is really incoherent. I also think most of them have got things backwards - they should be protesting against big federal government, not "wall street". Seems to me it was the feds who bailed out wall street. And except for AIG, wall street has paid back their bailout - only the two unregulated gov mortgage companies are still getting more bailout.

We need to reduce the fed gov by half, or more. The free market works if gov doesn't interfer.

Neo hippie's? Your really out of the loop! Those were college kids,people's children!

And who do you think was killed at Kent State? College kids, people's children. In fact, I would venture to suggest that some of the young OWS protesters have "hippies" for parents and saw that demonstrations CAN bring about change.

LostinWyoming:

You crack me up. First you misread my post, then accuse me of watching Fox News (this is an MSNBC comment thread, last I checked).

And these people are Neo-Hippies. Back in the 60's, they protested against "the man" for their corporate greed, warmongering and the exploitation of the land, the people and the youth. Now, a new generation (along with the old generation) are largely protesting the same things-- but this time around they're not locked in a hypnagogic trance brought on by copious amounts of LSD. Well, at least most of them aren't...

My favorite part of your misguided rant? "Those were college kids,people's children!"

Hahaha.... From what I understand, all of the hippies in the 60's had parents too. Contrary to popular myth, they did not blossom out of the ground after a particularly heavy rainstorm in 1959. Additionally, college campuses were awash with hippies-- Timothy Leary was a professor, for god's sake.

That was the whole point, being disobedient and provoking the police. Notice this was just a small group, probably volunteers, hoping to get police reaction just for the publicity. Well I and most of us real 99% think that if the protesters are violent and disobey the police they deserve to be sprayed and arrested. When you see pictures of the OWS you see that there are only a few hundred and another few hundred watching, taking pictures, and just enjoying the show.
The OWS is less than 0.1% and do not represent anything but the selfish desire to scam the government for welfare, student loan forgiveness, and anyother handouts they can get. The worse part of our society.

MeanGene, the last time I checked the badge isn't the law of the land. Its the piece of paper we call the constitution. You know that thing those uneducated pigs took an oath to uphold but don't know the 1st thing about it. They violate peoples rights all the time and frankly don't give 2 @!$%#s if they do.

I'm always amazed by the "law and order" types who keep saying just follow the police orders and you'll be fine--yet they are (almost) always the same peckerwoods who hoard guns against the day when the "gubmint's gonna squash us". It would be humorous if it weren't so f'ing pathetic.

I'm always amazed by the "law and order" types who keep saying just follow the police orders and you'll be fine--yet they are (almost) always the same peckerwoods who hoard guns against the day when the "gubmint's gonna squash us". It would be humorous if it weren't so f'ing pathetic.

Wow FC, such profound wisdom. Maybe if the OWS people were smart enough to arm themselves, they wouldn't look like a bunch of sissy crybabies.

Had they shown respect for the badge, they'd have never been treated like the outlaws they became.

I learned a new term the other day that sums up your attitude here... badge bunnies. That's what you are Gene, a badge bunny.

Ah, so you'd feel better if it was an ARMED protest? Then have a pitched battle on a college campus?

You might mock my comment; but yours is totally, completely, and unashamedly anti-American and anti-Constitution. Good night, and good luck--to everybody else. To you Joe, I hope you stub your toe going to bed.

S_o_L, the last time I checked the place to argue with the cops is in front of a judge in our nation of laws, not on the street. The Constitution says exactly whom to take arguments up with in our government and it's not the police who work for the executive branch of government. We have a judicial branch of government for a reason, a reason which is lost on the anarchist kooks who argue with cops on the streets.

Yeah, that's a great idea Joe. Let's have students shooting cops who shoot students in a marvelous display of how America respects its First Amendment guarantee of the right of peaceable assembly.

When will you gun nuts realize that solutions to political differences or social problems don't come out of the barrel of a lethal weapon? Do you have a poster of John Wayne on your bedroom wall?.

Joe and FC, things are not so bad that society has broken down to the point that the State is out enemy. The "Kids" have the money to go to a VERY expensive school so they should have the mental ability to articulate what they are upset about AND propose a SOLUTION. Sitting down and complaining about the system is not helpful. They have money, let them fly to Wall Street and really contribute to the demonstration there.

Putting a tent on school grounds really doesn't help. What helps is VOTING!!!

When will you gun nuts realize that solutions to political differences or social problems don't come out of the barrel of a lethal weapon?

The Revolutionary War and the Civil War would tend to indicate otherwise.

Joe and FC, things are not so bad that society has broken down to the point that the State is out enemy. The "Kids" have the money to go to a VERY expensive school so they should have the mental ability to articulate what they are upset about AND propose a SOLUTION. Sitting down and complaining about the system is not helpful. They have money, let them fly to Wall Street and really contribute to the demonstration there.

They should be flying to DC to camp out in front of the Capitol and the White House. That is where the problems originate.

Peter and Sick_of_Liberals I agree with what you are saying, the police may have a lot to answer for some day. Blind obedience to the law is what our country was founded on, hmm.... maybe not.

Seriously, the Constitution is rolling over in its grave, at the way some people here are making up what it says. Which Constitution are you referring to, and what part?

In a sad twist of fate our authorities will lock-up protesters, but not the bankers and elites that economically brought our country to its knees.

Our country's institutions are corrupt, and most American's know this, and some are protesting. I am afraid our country is in for some very sad days. In my opinion if you think what we've seen so far is bad, I'm sorry folks but, we ain't seen nothin yet!

Note: I do not support either corrupt political party. Vote out the incumbents, for true term limits.

Actually, Joe, the problems originate in feeble minds like yours. We live in the 21st Century in a country that putatively allows for non-violent change through voting by the public, and you want to recommend armed insurrection because you claim that the Revolutionary War and the Civil War solved a problem? Resort to violence, especially lethal violence, to resolve human differences is always an infantile indulgence bespeaking of a failure to use our God-given power to reason.

If students followed your recommendation, they'd invite their own slaughter by people who are trained to use lethal weapons to kill who would have much greater firepower. Do you really want to repeat Kent State on a much grander scale? That can't be what you really want--or is it, Joe?

Go ahead, Joe, keep uttering your bombastic nonsense.

For you that say "the way to change is through "voting", or something similar, you are incorrect.

You are allowed to vote from a group of people on both "sides" decided upon by a minority. Usually, or at least most of the time the voters are choosing between the "lesser of two evils" or "not wasting a vote".

The "lesser of two evils"means that neither candidate is actually appropriate for the job, and most of the People realize that but feel they have no recourse but to accept it.

The "not wasting a vote" is the best one for those who are directing our country on it's destruction of America and the Constitution course because then they only have to see that the their is two people who will follow their agenda to get into office.

Either way we are not truly having a voice in what happens in our government. You don't think so, go read what the CIA told Jesse Ventura when he won.

Then we have a bunch of the "evils" over the years which became domestic enemies out to destroy our nation. Something to think about; Charlie Reese, Orlando Sentinel wrote this and he would know.

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.
You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.
You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.
You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.
You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because the Congress created that problem. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party. What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. The Speaker of the House is the leader of the majority party. The Speaker and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.
If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.
If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ, it’s because they want them in IRAQ

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
They, and they alone, have the power.
They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees...
We should remove all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

absolutely

"The OWS is less than 0.1% and do not represent anything but the selfish desire to scam the government for welfare, student loan forgiveness, and anyother handouts they can get. The worse part of our society."

Well that's very interesting UncleSam-2242573! You can make that judgment from what you've seen on TV? WOW! Your sense of perception must be amazing, akin to something like Super Man's X-ray Vision!

I've got news for you, as a person who has actually been there in person, you know like as in Real Life. Yes, some of the type of people you have judged OWS to be totally made up of exist. However the majority of those that I met there were working class family persons, young professional and union workers; 80% had jobs and were attending afterwards or taking vacation days to attend. I don't know where those of you who spout this vitriol that you take as scripture get it from. I can say that I have been to a couple of "Conservative" sites and from the comments I've read there would rather spend my time in the company of even some of the worst of OWS. Nowhere have I seen so many threats of violence, suggestions of using humans as "target practice", because it would be cheaper than "going to the range" and on and on and on.

What these people are willing to assume, which is what you are doing having not investigated it yourself, is amazing. And all because some talking-head on the TV told them so. Perhaps that's why I consider the TV the greatest tool of socialization ever invented and seldom if ever watch one.

Well Pete, my friends and I will have a sit in at the end of your driveway, and send your mom out to feed us when we're hungry.

It's completely ridiculous on the part of the creeps who disobeyed an order they were given.

You know ... the line "just following orders" came up a lot in the Nuremberg Trials. (If you are unfamiliar with that, look it up). It was also used as an excuse for William Calley.

You know who else disobeyed orders? The Sons of Liberty and everyone else who fought on the colonists side in the Revolutionary War.

MeanGene I've read a number of your idiot rants and you are truly an ignorant person.

Joe-294579

I'm always amazed by the "law and order" types who keep saying just follow the police orders and you'll be fine--yet they are (almost) always the same peckerwoods who hoard guns against the day when the "gubmint's gonna squash us". It would be humorous if it weren't so f'ing pathetic.

Wow FC, such profound wisdom. Maybe if the OWS people were smart enough to arm themselves, they wouldn't look like a bunch of sissy crybabies.

WOW yourself Joe I guess you don't know what peaceful protest means.

Someday you may get your wish and then realize how stupid you were.

Actually, Joe, the problems originate in feeble minds like yours. We live in the 21st Century

Maybe you're right. I'm an engineer so my brain is wired to think logically and analytically - identify the problem, determine the root cause, and find a solution. 21st century thinking seems to be based less on reason and more on emotion. Feelings are more important than facts. Self-esteem is more important than achievement.

Rational thinkers like me have no place in the 21st century. I'm a fish out of water here.

Eat the 1%. What a vile thing to say. You probably support the many hateful signs and statements against the Jews also. The police are protecting us, the 99% against you the 0.001%. Being loud, disrespectful, violent, criminal, communist, and stupid does not make converts to your silly pantheon of causes.

Sam, you are right.

We are living in a police state.

Peacefully demonstrating students - get sprayed in the face with Pepper Spray?

The 1% own the politicians and the elites will not tolerate any criticism of their endless greed.

If I was a police officer and had to treat my fellow citizens in this brutal manner - I'd quit!

UncleSam-2242573

Being loud, disrespectful, ...

Uncle Sam -what is disrespectful - the message?

The video will probably only strengthen the demonstrators resolve to bring positive economic, political and social changes to America.

This video shows a BAD display of Democracy.

Peacefully demonstrating students - get sprayed in the face with Pepper Spray?

The 1% own the politicians and these elites will not tolerate any criticism of their endless greed.

LOL, are you serious? The 1% does not give a rat's a$$ about some stupid hippies on a college campus. They are too busy working and making money.

Joe-294579

LOL, are you serious? The 1% does not give a rat's a$$ about some stupid hippies on a college campus. They are too busy working and making money.

Joe - ARE YOU SERIOUS?

I would laugh at your statement - however, I do not believe in laughing at unreflective statements. Do you not know that the police are under command?

Under command from whom and for what reason - take your time in "reflecting."

"Hippies?" I will list for you other well-known "troublemakers:"

Gandhi, Rosa Parks, Susan B. Anthony, Martin Luther King Jr - and of course - Christ!

The 1% are the tiny segment of money-grabbers that looted America and caused our economy to collapse.

Because the Occupy Wall Street Demonstrators are trying to tear down and disrupt the Financial RACKETS that the 1% submerged themselves in - this small but controlling minority is Very Upset about these nationwide protests.

You are right when you state that the 1$% is out working - these robbing elites are busily working at their future schemes that will allow them commit another Grand Theft in America.

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You are right when you state that the 1$% is out working - these robbing elites are busily working at their future schemes that will allow them to commit another Grand Theft in America.

Joe - ARE YOU SERIOUS?

I would laugh at your statement - however, I do not believe in laughing at unreflective statements. Do you not know that the police are under command?

Under command from whom and for what reason - take your time in "reflecting."

"Hippies?" I will list for you other well-known "troublemakers:"

Gandhi, Rosa Parks, Susan B. Anthony, Martin Luther King Jr - and of course - Christ!

The 1% are the tiny segment of money-grabbers that looted America and caused our economy to collapse.

Because the Occupy Wall Street Demonstrators are trying to tear down and disrupt the Financial RACKETS that the 1% submerged themselves in - this small but controlling minority is Very Upset about these nationwide protests.

You are right when you state that the 1$% is out working - these robbing elites are busily working at their future schemes that will allow them commit another Grand Theft in America.

LOL, did you forget to take your medication? Let me guess, next you're going to tell me Bush blew up the WTC.

Yeah 25Walker your an idiot. I am in Davis right now ...They were not peacefully protesting they were disrupting learning THAT IS A SCHOOL what the hell is the school going to do about national issues? STUDENTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO LEARN ON CAMPUS NOT TO PROTEST. I'm a student and if they get in the way i will step on them to get to my class. The laws are the laws you voted and this is what you get. They were not peacefully protesting they were disrupting school people pay a lot of money and worked hard to get into UC Davis it is not fair to them to get that taken away because 10 morons decided it was cool to make a scene.

I had a theory that the 'OWS' movement had as it's ideological roots the 'French Revolution' and the fantasy of the reign of terror.....thanks for confirming that suspicion.......here's a hint, folks.......the government you're claiming is in league with those "1%" is the very government you supported and seek to make more powerful....what kind of idiots actually think they are going to end the corporatist duo of Government/Large Corporations by making government BIGGER?! Apparently the kind who think that camping in tents and voting for Obama is going to change it......you have the wrong idea all the way around.....capitalism isn't the problem, Corporatism and Crony Capitalism, supported by the very candidates who pander to your vote, are the problem......end that government and return the country to a truly capitalist society where large corporations aren't considered too big to fail and are bailed out with your tax money when they do fail....that's what's wrong with our economy, not 'greed'.......greed is a word that many of you use when other people have money that YOU want.

Thank you! I work in Davis and I also know these kids were not protesting peacefully. UC Davis absolutely allows peaceful protesting. It happens daily on campus and the students have every right to speak their mind without disruption. This happened because they were nicely warned several times over the course of two days and they refused to listen to law enforcement and campus officials. I believe this was the whole point of their protest, to disobey and cause physical removal which would be videoed and broadcast. When they were issued reminders of the campus policy they wadded them up and threw them all over the quad (real sustainable...) and hurled insults at innocent campus employees just doing their job.

Joe

did you forget to take your medication? Let me guess, next you're going to tell me Bush blew up the WTC.

I do not take the medication that that "stalwart" of the Right Wing, Rush Limbaugh takes - the Addicting Narcotic Oxycontin.

I will not state that Bush blew up the World Trade Center.

There is a more disturbing Fact to drop on you.

Did not know that in August 2001, Intelligence Information was given to Obama's predecessor? Definitely, the information indicated that Al-Qaeda was going to attack America. Guess what, Joe? Obama's predesesr glossed over the Intelligence report and ignored it.

One month later - we got hit with 9/11/2001!

You keep stating that you are "laughing out loud."

You do not have ANY Facts.

Therefore, you only have one option - keep typing "LOL."

You are rapped up for the night.

Goodnight, Joe!

you are wrong, but you sure sound like you love a dictatorship. congrats! you have your police state!

you are a sick person to believe our police can use chemicals on people who are not being aggresive in any way

outlaws? they are teenagers having a protest o_O do you want cops to come and spray poison in your eyes for speaking your mind?

I got worse for joining the Navy in gas mask training. Bunch of candy asses get a little pepper spray and act like it's the end of the world.

They were ORDERED to move. When police give an ORDER then the options are to obey the order or get your ass a kicking that it truly deserves so that next time when a man with a badge tells you to do something, you will comply with the order.

Look up the Use Of Force model. If you are resistant(active) police can and will use pepper spray... It's not excessive force if you are told to disperse by the owners of the property and you refuse to do so.

Would you say the same thing if it were your child?

If I were pepper sprayed by the cops, my parents wouldn't show me one lick of compassion because they'd say "we brought you up better than that".

There aren't a whole lot of proud OWS parents around. Most are in hiding from the shame of having brat kids throwing tantrums for the cameras.

and you are a close minded sissy,

Short answer...yes.

MeanGene-3334839

MeanGene - your name says much about you - yes you are mean.

The police are not always right - and this video tape proves it.

I wonder if this city will be hit with lawsuits?

"When a cop tells people to move, and the outlaws don't move then they definitely have the right to remove the lawless bastards using any tools necessary.

Cops are always right, and the idiots resisting the law are always wrong."

Somewhere else in your comments you called the students communists, but your words suggest to me that you believe this is a police state. This is America, and America was founded on patriots disobeying authority. If you truly believe that these kids are communists for exercising their 1st amendment right to peacefully (and they were) assemble and protest, then I humbly suggest that you re-evaluate your own vocabulary and then go pick up a book from your local library on American history.

again, if you're told to leave by the people in charge of the property and you physically resist the cops can use pepper spray. Look up the UoF model...geeze

Perhaps MeanGene and the other pro-police violence types were at the town hall meetings during the health-insurance reform debate screaming down elected officials? Or perhaps in DC spitting on Congressmen and calling them "ni****" or "f*g"? Or perhaps at Tea Party rallies defiantly brandishing their guns against the "gubmint"? Seems those situations were a hell of a lot more provocative then a bunch of students SITTING DOWN QUIETLY, DISOBEYING A COP'S ORDER IN AN ACT OF CIVIL DISOBEDIANCE!

Think maybe these law and order fascists might have had a different take if they had been subjected to this police assault? I do.

Mean Gene,

You do realize that what you wrote, "When a cop tells people to move, and the outlaws don't move then they definitely have the right to remove the lawless bastards using any tools necessary.
Cops are always right, and the idiots resisting the law are always wrong" is a prescription for fascism, don't you?

These students were not just protesting. They were breaking the law...whether you like it or not, that's what they were doing. No one ever said they were not allowed to protest. They were told they were not allowed to camp in the middle of the quad on a college campus and they ignored it. The police had, and have, every right to use non-lethal methods, including pepper spray, to disrupt and arrest people who are breaking the law. What if I decided to stage my own Occupy protest in your living room? Does the fact that I'm protesting mean that I should be allowed to do so, with complete disregard for the law? No. And all of you who say the police acted out-of-hand would also be the first to call 911 and have me arrested if I staged a "camp out protest" in your house or on your lawn. And I seriously doubt you would be all up in arms if the police pepper sprayed me during my arrest. There is no difference, whatsoever. Protesting is one thing; and it is protected under the constitution (within reason, in most places you need a permit to do so). However, if you think your right to eat granola, grow nasty dreadlocks, and complain about corporate America while you are getting a useless degree in Art History at an expensive university that Mommy and Daddy are paying for (with money they earned, no doubt, as shills of the corporate boogie-man) supercedes the laws of this land and the constitution, then you are sadly mistaken.

Sorry about that last sentence. It really does make sense, go back and read it again...it was just kind of long and meandered a bit :)

Actually, I suspect that it wasn't "the law". It was likely a pronouncement from the Pres of the University--AFTER the students arrived. Last time I checked, an individual, no matter their title can proclaim anything and have it enforced as "the law". Secondly, as the Judge in Memphis (I think) stated, you can't change the "law" or whatever after the protesting began and then arrest people. He bravely ordered the protestors freed, ordered the cops to cease and desist, and then watched as the cops went ahead with their arrests three more times. I haven't heard of the outcome of that, though.

*Of course, that was in that liberal bastion of Tennessee and not the Deep Red State of California.*

FC, CO---Your post earlier about the spitting, name calling thing is pretty hypocritical. If I am not mistaken, all I have been hearing about is the drugs, people crapping on cars, pissing in the streets, rapes, etc. etc. Sounds like these things are a HELL of a lot more provacative than some name calling, or "spitting". Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure the Tea Partiers didnt actually use
their guns at their protests, unlike the several instances I have read about at the OWS "protests".

MeanGeene says "Cops are always right," Now that there's funny! You're funny also Meangene don't get depressed.

Well Monster, we have the video of the maroons spitting on Congressmen, calling them "nigg*r", calling them "f*g", carrying weapons, also carrying signs with the likes of "we came unarmed...this time".

As far as the "all I have been hearing about..." garbage, maybe you shouldn't be getting all your news from the News Corp propaganda machine or the other fellow travelers. If you don't trust the lazy MSM (no, they ain't "liberal") maybe try the BBC. And BTW, I haven't seen the videos of your allegations--though I have seen ONE picture of a guy crapping on a police car.

Well Monster, we have the video of the maroons spitting on Congressmen, calling them "nigg*r", calling them "f*g"

No, we don't. The videos you are talking about show no such thing. You have bought the lies and exaggerations of the race-baiters, sorry to say.

You need your head examened. Seriosly. Are you off your meds? Its our DUTY as Americans to protest and bring attention to crimes by our Government! Wall Street bribes politicians and call it campaign contributions! Google the last five presidents campaign contributers and youll see they were all boiught by Wall st! Who do you think makes all the money off the wars they start? It aint the 99%! Were the one's who die for Wall St and Washington,while they rake in billions! Get a clue,your only makeing yourself look ignorent and un informed.

yeah so when you see me walking in the middle of the road on the highway don't say @!$%# to me don't honk don't call the police because according to your argument i have the right to walk where i want.

Ryan Waller, do you know what a domestic enemy of the USA is? Domestic enemies pursue legislation, programs against the powers of the US Constitution. They work on destroying and weakening the Rights of the People guaranteed by the Constitution. Plus they create laws, amendments, etc that goes against the restraint on the three branches of our government by the Constitution.

Did you realize that all Law Enforcement agencies take an Oath to protect the US Constitution above anything else, including the duties of the job?

The three branches of our government, the Military, all Law Enforcement, all Heads of the States, all federal employees are required to take an Oath to support and defend the Constitution and not an individual leader, ruler, office, or entity.

Do you know that the reason for that is that without the US Constitution there is no more USA? The Constitution is a comprehensive, document of only seven articles. Within it are the fundamental principles of popular sovereignty, separation of powers, and federalism; yet it allows the amendment process; plus provides a system of checks and balances within our government to stop corruption.

The opening and closing words of the Preamble, "We the people of the United States... do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America" describe “popular sovereignty", our government established by the consent of the people.

America is a constitutional republic where elected representatives swear to uphold the Constitution as they serve at the will and by the consent of the people (A Constitutional Republic is where the officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens).

The most fundamental of the many checks and balances in our system of government is the power to control oneself. At no time is a commitment to this principle more eloquently expressed than when individual officers raise their hands and solemnly swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. May all do so with a firm understanding of the principles we have determined to defend and a clear recognition of the people we promise to protect.

Knine -- excellent points and post. The problem is, not everyone upholds the Constitution any more (and really, many never did).

"UC Davis officials said the group is allowed to occupy the quad for as long as they want, but cannot camp, KCRA reported."

They were told to take the tents down by 3PM, nothing else, that isn't hard to understand. They chose to ignore the order and ask to be removed.

They were told to take the tents down by 3PM, nothing else, that isn't hard to understand. They chose to ignore the order and ask to be removed.

So they sprayed them with toxic chemicals?!? How many excuses can one person create? Another option would be to arrest them like any normal sane law enforcement officer would do, not try to intentionally cause physical harm.

They sprayed them to break them up. Don't worry they'll live.

By the way, there doesn't have to be an armed revolution to change the country. That's why we're given the right to vote. And don't give the excuse "the big companies own all politicians." Because that's all it is.

The supreme court has in previous cases ruled that camping out in a location as part of a protest is expressive behavior protected by the first amendment. Specifically camping out on the sidewalks of NYC I believe to protest rent increases. The tearing down of the occupy camps could therefore easily be argued as being a breach of the first amendment rights of the protesters.

Hey, lostinwyoming...do us all a favor and stay lost, thanks

The thing is that we do have a right to free speech, and we should be able to voice ourselves where every and when ever we choose to. We just did that in Madison, WI today. We had a Recall Rally against Gov Walker, estimated about 40,000 people, non-violent, and in just 5 days we collected 100,000 signatures to recall him. This has taken a lot hard work and very dedicated people, it has been almost a year we have been fighting him and his puppets, but we will prevail in the end. OSW can do this too, most are peaceful demonstrators, and some are not, that is just the way it is. Just like the TeaParty they were mostly peaceful, but they too also had some who were not.

The country does not belong to you, it belong to us. No, you are not free to urinate on us, put a tent in our yard, or yell "fire" in a crowded theater. You are, however, free to learn a trade, get a lawful employment, and vote for whoever you like. If this is not good enough for you, try some other country.

And you are free to watch a tv station that does not fill your head full of hate and lies and to read and learn how to protect your own best interest.

They sprayed them to break them up. Don't worry they'll live.

Again you could simply arrest them. Or do you just get off on violence? Making excuses for causing physical harm speaks more to ones narcissism than any thing else. That and making excuses for totalitarian maneuvers such as spraying Americans in the face with pepper spray.

By the way, there doesn't have to be an armed revolution to change the country. That's why we're given the right to vote.

Oh so now they are armed?!? You got any other strawmen you like to cast?

There's not a single civil rights law that didn't happen without the exercise of free speech. Voting alone isn't enough. You have to be heard and you have to change minds. You can't just vote and expect it will be all roses. It just doesn't work that way. There's a reason why the Citizen's United case focused on money as speech, and it had absolutely nothing to do with voting.

And don't give the excuse "the big companies own all politicians." Because that's all it is.

Got anything to back that claim up? If not then I think you would be the one making excuses. I've never met someone who likes oligarchs, but I guess there's a first time for everything.

I guessed you haven't been reading very many posts Kc77, if you think there aren't people calling for armed revolution. Trust me, I've seen plenty who are.

The police couldn't just arrest them because they were resisting arrest by linking arms. We didn't see the whole story, how do you know the police didn't already try to pull them apart.

My evidence to back up my claim that the system we have in place works is this. This country has stood for 2 centuries on the system the founding fathers put in place. I see happiness and success when I go out on a daily basis. I enjoy freedoms, comforts, and opportunities I know others don't because I've been to those countries in person. I know the difference between America and other countries. The dismal, totalitarian, picture that OWS is painting is a lie.

John Doe- Blacks and women would not even be able to vote if not for exercise of protest. If nt for protest, the United States would still have legal slavery, would have exterminated all Native Americans. The United States would have never recovered from the Great Depression without exercise of the right to protest.

Protest is inherently part of the "system the founding fathers put in place"

"The dismal, totalitarian picture that OWS is painting is a lie" The story was about a video, not a painting.

Seriously, Both OWS and the Tea Party seem to paint similar pictures, and yes, they are dismal and totalitarian. They have wildly different conclusions, but both are working from a similar premise, that the average person is at risk of losing the american dream. Maybe your corner of the world is in good shape, if so good for you, but maybe America extends beyond the gated community.

The police couldn't just arrest them because they were resisting arrest by linking arms.

LOL really?

Rich its A COLLEGE CAMPUS people are there to learn to be educated not to be distracted by idiots. Go protest in the Davis park (and yes i am in Davis right now) not on campus. The police are protecting the 99.9999% of students who don't give a @!$%# about the protesters and want to get an education.

From what are the police "protecting the 99.9999% of students"?

There is more to an education than reading, lectures and getting your ass spanked by your frat brothers. It's also participation. It's action, reaction and interaction. I think a college campus is the perfect place for that part of education.

Darrel B, the police are acting against thieves. These OWS thieves are committing a "theft by conversion" when they use property they do not own for their own selfish purposes. College campuses have dorms which they rent out and it's a theft to camp out on college land for free.

Stinking commies can't just declare every piece of property theirs for the taking or "occupation" and get away with it. They're nothing but thugs and thieves and need to deal with the consequences of their heinous and numerous crimes.

Police have no authority on a college campus in the first place. They can't even enter a classroom and arrest someone. Aren't you familiar with the federal law in that regards?

@ 'rich'...Taking away rights and the Constitution?...What rights would those be, pray tell...The right to obstruct others? The right to disobey a LAWFUL order of law enforcement? The right to do as you please?...Wait, there is no right to 'do as you please' is there?...Not if 'what you please' interferes with other's rights, at least.....The 'protesters' were told they could protest if they liked, but they could not obstruct others or camp...They chose not to accept the compromise, so be it....

@'Darrel B.'...As you surely know, your or anyone else's rights end where they interfere with mine or someone else's....It is amazing to me that all of the OWS protesters (seem to) want to protest where it does little good, doesn't affect the people that they SAY are the problem, but interferes with and hurts those who have nothing to do with the 'problem' they are protesting....Where in the OWS manifesto do they say UC Davis or the students and faculty thereof have taken from '99%' and given to the '1%'?......Why does interfering with the stated purpose of UC Davis (education) do anything for 'the cause'?...It's been years since I attended college, but I don't remember 'Sticking Your Finger in the Man's Eye 101' or 'Camping Illegally to Make A Point or Whatever 220' on the class schedule.....

Mean its clear you didn't attend a college or you wouldn't be making sytements like that. College property is NOT private property unless its a private institution that accepts no federal or state dollars! Go back to school,,,,, oh and stay off the lawn!

DRac do you have some secret list of complaints by anyone stating the protesters were obstructing their rights? Which is about in line with the more B,S. let's make up a story thing aye?

Pat if i could find you I would slap the @!$%# out of you. thugs? really? they are students. go @!$%# yourself

'Squid'....That hard stuff with grass on each side of it is commonly called a 'sidewalk'...The purpose of such things are typically for walking, and even on some campuses for driving utility carts and even vehicles in emergencies, not sitting there blocking the flow of foot traffic.....

....As for secret lists of complaints, and I'm sure you have the inside scoop that NO ONE complained? Seems the Police wouldn't have been there unless someone called them...or was there a law enforcement class going on and they just showed up for the doughnuts and coffee?...

Thugs and misfits,going tp college?Oh yea,I'm always afraid when I use the track at the college near my house,its the thugs you encounter.Have you ever listened to yourself ? Do you have any thoughts O'Reilly didn't put in there?

I'm all for expressing your freedom of speech - but I'm not for this undisciplined crowd of thugs and misfits.

No you're not. Basically your saying they can exercise their freedom of speech as long as it doesn't affect anyone else. What's the point of a protest unless it creates change?

I'll donate to the pepper spray fund if thats what works,.

Narcissism at it's finest.

I see. It's OK to express one's views as long as it's in a manner that you approve of. Otherwise they are thugs and misfits. Hmmm.

Now we can see where all our tax dollars for Homeland Security went. To militarize the police depts -- to be used on our own citizens. Not for defense, but to suppress liberties. Didn't one ever stop to think that the name "Homeland Security" smacked of Fascism -- the hallmark of conservative societies?

it's obvious you didn't even watch the video. it's just college students and they aren't doing anything illegal or unsafe. it's just a bunch of cops abusing their authority.

Ultimately, it didn't work and made the police who used pepper spray look like thuggish numbskulls. Go ahead and waste your money, but people power will overcome your tainted water and mind.

MeanGene your name fits. Pssst they are STUDENTS not thugs and thrives. The campus said they could protest there just not camp. Yet the cops show up a 3:00pm and start pepper spraying? If you dont think this sort of thing happens on every campus every year you never went to college and I'm fairly sure you didn't if you think their actions amount to thief . LOL And another thing Campuses are BIG you can protest on a part of it and not disrupt classes but since you never got out of 6th grade I'm not surprised you didn't know that.

-Draconis- says"@ 'rich'...Taking away rights and the Constitution?...What rights would those be, pray tell...The right to obstruct others? The right to disobey a LAWFUL order of law enforcement? The right to do as you please?...Wait, there is no right to 'do as you please' is there?."

Oh you think your soooo cute don't you?

they are not doing as they please and even of they were I thought this was a country where we were free. I guess that only counts if you agree with them huh? What they are doing is peacefully protesting.

where do they get thet right you ask? It's called

First Amendment!

Try reading it sometime

Here let me help

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

So it would seem to me the, as you put it, "lawful order to move" is unlawful and they have a right to protest. Please note there is no clause that says unless the cops say leave or you don't have a permit.

BTW why do our police, that are supposed to serve and protect us, looking so much like a military force?

The police are idiots! I wonder when they're gonna realize the government is screwing them too. Most of the military already realizes this. Of course, they'll notice when their quality of living begins to change just like the rest of you idiots who think the government can do no wrong.

Pat8 What do you mean thugs the only aggressor were the police not peace officers like their badge says. Whats wrong with you people their protesting to get rid of banks and IDIOTS WITH AGENDAS OUT OF GOV. RON PAUL 2012!!!

what is wrong with them is that they are mesmerized by the white noise 24/7 that is put out there on Fake news. No one in their right mind would be against this now over 200 Millionaires have come forward and say they agree. These folks are just misinformed rubes.

Disgusting, how unpatriotic can you people be. I swear some of you would be happier with a fascist state.

And yet the president you voted for wants to increase public sector jobs, police and fire included. The police enforce the laws something the article doesn't talk about is the permits that are required in order to stage and event like this that were not obtained. If you don't want the police to enforce the laws then i will and i won't be using pepper spray ..something much worse.

Ryan, most police departments have strict rules regarding the use of projectiles and chemical dispersants. I can bet that not one states it is acceptable when the passive resistance is used.

I'm willing to bet you slept through civics classes, or you would know that abuses like this are what lead to revolution. Read the Declaration of Independence.

Ryan, most police departments have strict rules regarding the use of projectiles and chemical dispersants. I can bet that not one states it is acceptable when the passive resistance is used.

I'm willing to bet you slept through civics classes, or you would know that abuses like this are what lead to revolution. Read the Declaration of Independence.

Ryan where in the Constitution does it say you need a permit to protest? I would gladly give them a hammer to give you an attitude adjustment. You are so full of yourself your eyes are brown! Quick get back to your job at Wal-Mart!

Ryan

FYI you don't need a permit for every location to protest. I'm pretty sure the students have a right to be on their campus without one. And in case you missed it the school gave them permission. Do you read? can you read?

Your threats of violence show your true colors. You must be a big fan of dictators?

They shouldn't feel the right to do all the things they've been doing the past month or two expecting people to just put up with it... I've watched a bunch of videos during this time, and if i'd have seen some of these things in person, I don't know that I could have restrained myself... Especially the violence toward women... Thats nonsense

You're talking about the OWS people, right? I mean, there have been numerous sexual assaults and even a couple of murders at these "peaceful" protests.

...kinda funny...but, in reality a bit harsh perhaps...the students & OWS folks don't really have a 'right' to camp where the law or same said ordinance doesn't allow camping...and yet several cities have done their 'best' to accommodate their behavior and such...I prefer that the police dressed to their best in their riot gear could have made themselves and their actions to disperse the 'crowd' by showing up in regular dress (at least many of them with the riot gear protecting their behinds) and just dismantle the campsite...but; just like so many other government employees...be they mayors, congressmen/women, or the like...they'd not even think to stoop so low as to actually do the work that needs to be done as it isn't in their union handbook as part of what they're required to do...so, it's "not my job" is their mantra...

police state and control exerted by the majority of these folks is becoming more than reprehensible...just shows they only have short fuses and lack of understanding basic psychology

It's pretty important to realize that the Three Branches of our Government, the Military, all Law Enforcement, all Heads of the States, all federal employees are required to take an Oath to support and defend the Constitution and not an individual leader, ruler, office, or entity.

Domestic enemies pursue legislation, programs against the powers of the US Constitution. They work on destroying and weakening the Rights of the People guaranteed by the Constitution. Plus they create laws, amendments, etc that goes against the restraint on the three branches of our government by the Constitution.

Some questions you and the law enforcement should be asking themselves about: With adversaries to the Constitution within the highest levels of our government, what is to be done?

What are the sworn defenders (police and military) to do?

At what point is non-political action necessary?

If there was never intended to be action to defend the Constitution from those who are domestically attempting to destroy its power and authority, why would each oath require such?

By the way there are a lot of law enforcement agencies who have realized that we have a government with domestic enemies within all three branches. That the police are likely to be used against the populace to stop those who are trying to save this nation, our Constitution, and our way of life and they disagree.

They take the oath they took seriously and are starting to actually do what they are required to do by OUR US Constitution, It will be interesting to see how many more will make a decision to stand and fight for all of our Freedom, our way of life, our nation, the Constitution.

But it will also be interesting to see how many citizens will just let it all be taken away by the Domestic Enemies without saying a word. Freedom is rarely free.

Wrong govt, I have been pulled over more than once, and I was let go with a warning, and it was simply because I didn't whine or come off like an @ss. They put up with cr@p all day long because of guys like you I think they deserve a raise. People are always challenging their authority.

OK Knine -- that was a good post. But NOT good enough that it bears repeating in EVERYTHING thread. You can quit cutting-and-pasting now.

Steve, if authority hadn't been challenged since this country's inception, you would have the right to neither speak nor post your opinions.

I have no wish to live in a society where a badge means you haven't the right to question the authority of the person wearing it.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

--Martin Niemöller

@ government support to the rich, If you think we live in such a terrible country,MOVE! go somewhere else. I personally am sick of hearing you liberal losers whine because this country affords the opportunity for people to get rich, through hard work, or good ideas, or perserverance, and yeh sometimes a little luck, but we mostly make our own luck. I'm not one of the rich, live mostly paycheck to paycheck, don't have health care except for the va, none for my family, but whining and protesting won't change it. Hard work will, of course we've got problems, but these students should be in class, learning to solve these problems, then they wouldn't be pepper sprayed. There are consequences for our actions, break the rules you get punished, end of story. These losers protesting everywhere, saying the rich should be penalized for their success by giving their money away, sharing the wealth, is ludicrous, at best it's socialism, and more like communism, "you work hard and succeed and then give some to me cause I'm to lazy" BULLS**T. Become part of the solution instead of part of the problem, or move to China or somewhere.

Yes Marni - and you would have supported King George and not those patriot rabble rousers. government support is a true patriot, you are a coward and un-American. It is you who should move since all of the benefits that you enjoy were fought for by patriots! Not people like you who accept suppression and a destroyed America without lifting a finger to change it. After all, "we still have it better than most countries, what are you whining about". Exactly what part of the solution are you?

Sorry gov.supp. You are dead wrong. Where is your support, evidence or proof to back up your claim that "most police officers are narcissistic human beings that have a thirst for power over other". You have none, because there is none. You have no idea the sacrifices these men and women make every day to keep this country same. Did someone barge into your house last night, take all your stuff, and murder your friends? No? Why, because we have police officers who protect us. You fail to realize that the peace we enjoy in this country comes from the police. Either the police run things, or gangsters and thugs run thing. Trust me, believe it or not, the police are much more accountable then a gang. If not, go live in the remote regions of Afghanistan where the Taliban and warlords still rule. You want to see true abuse of power, you'll find it there. Try protesting in those regions, your not gonna be arrested and given a citation, and pepper spray would be the least of your worries. Bottom line, your post is inflammatory. It's full of unsupported and inaccurate statements.

Last of all, those "adults" were acting like children. Crying and screaming, being mellow-dramatic. Pepper spray is no gonna kill them, but they act like it will. Don't worry, I've been through worse.

Then after that they start following the chants of their "leader". Whatever he said, they said. Wow, what a way to show your individuality people....

Hey Hoops did you serve your country, I did, got the scars to prove it. In my America you affect change in the voting booth, you absolutely question our leaders, you don't camp where you're not supposed to, do your best to disrupt people who are trying to make a living, or study, or whatever. Any benefits I enjoy??? I earned. The only suppression in America is for you lazy communist POS who want everything handed to them. My America owes me or you NOTHING! Only a safe place to pursue our dreams and ambitions, morons like you want to live off of everybody else's hard work, if you don't like something work to effect change, but do it constructively, you have every right to sit down and protest, just like I have every right to kick your a** out of my way so I can get to work.

So why is it that schools, cities, businesses, etc. do not have the right to maintain the use of their property as THEY see fit. Does the 1st Amendment give the people the right to violate others' rights as the demonstrators see fit? And Knine, WTH is "your" three branches of government? Are you just making this schtuff up as you go along?

Hey HoopsMacCain, if you ever find your home invaded by a gun wielding nut. Don't bother dialing 9-1-1. You'll just get a bunch of power hungry police officers at your door in 5 minutes. It's not worth it to let those brutes with weapons deal with the home invader threatening your family.

You hide behind words, police officers and the military know how to take action. What have you done hoops? have you ever put your life on the line for someone else? Have you stood your ground against a hail of bullets so you could provide cover fire for your friends? Have you patrolled the most dark and demented streets of this country rounding up those who would do harm to others? Really hoops, what have you done? Who is the real coward?

Hey 'governmentsupporttotherich' - you are a true loser!!! Do you have any inkling of what your are writing about? Your kind love to write about the police but are the first in line to bitch when police or fire or emergency services don't show up quick enough when you complain about being shorted your chicken mcnuggets at McD's. Are we any better than Syria...well, I don't think anyone is dropping artillery rounds into your neighborhood, are they? Why don't you exercise your greatest freedom and leave the country. Oh, but then you wont have a police officer responding to a break in willing to risk his life to save yours, you won't have firefighters showing up in sub zero degree temperatures trying to put out your house fire you started by trying to deep fry your turkey on your porch, you wont have EMS with the most advanced techno wiz bang stuff showing up to save your life when you trip down your stairs on the way to your easy chair to watch cartoons on your big screen TV. And, oh, by the by...in some countries you wouldn't have a computer or Internet to spread your great thoughts...other countries, a big burly guy with an AK would be kicking in your door for what you freely wrote here without fear of prosecution. So, yeah...this place must suck...

marni-3819767

@ government support to the rich, If you think we live in such a terrible country,MOVE! go somewhere else. I personally am sick of hearing you liberal losers whine

Do you really think it is up to the 99% of the population to move out of the country ? I think it is time maybe for the !% to invest in fortifying their moats.

At least you recognize that the government if fact supports mostly the rich.

So Darryl, if you're standing in line at Walmart with your family, and I skip line in front of you and your family because I am running late, and I have less items than you, you call me on it, I tell you and your family to go take a flying (you know what), do you comply and move to the next register?

marni- If it were not for those liberals, you would not have a VA hospital, or a GI bill.

Many veterans felt they were fighting for the rights of citizens to protest. You are entitled to your opinion. So are those of us who have been up against stop-loss repeatedly over a war based on the lie that Saddam had WMDs hidden somewhere.

excuse me sir, you're going to have to leave for using common sense.

The students DO OWN the school!! They PAID for their classes. In FACT the University would NOT exist, ...WITHOUT the PAYING STUDENTS. Again, YES THE STUDENTS ...OWN the UNIVERSITY!!

SIGNED: DANIEL L. BUSHEY

The students DO OWN the school!! They PAID for their classes. In FACT the University would NOT exist, ...WITHOUT the PAYING STUDENTS. Again, YES THE STUDENTS ...OWN the UNIVERSITY!!

The students don't own the school any more than hotel guests own the hotel they're staying at. Good grief.

Go jump off a cliff. End of story.

Umm... as UC is a state run institution and recieves federal money, this makes it a public place. Everyone that pays taxes owns this place. They have every right to protest a public place. If not a public place to protest then where?... In private? Because that makes soo much sense.

Has no one considered WHY the campus policy restricts camping on grounds overnight? - The Bathrooms are locked - There is no ongoing security to ensure safety on all 5,000 acres - Camping damages grassy areas, if it were allowed the campus would have to spend millions fixing it and cleaning up their mess - The campus is not a KOA. If the policy were revoked than anyone could do it. Including local bums. These kids were told they could protest during the day, every day if they wanted to. They were only told they could not camp overnight. Their decision to stay would mean thousands of dollars spent on 24 hour security to ensure their safety. Because you know if one of them got hurt at 3am their parents would sue the school. This was a no-win situation cause by the protesters.

Thank you Dan Bushy. Joe and Mongo are so ignorant that they don't realize that the UCs are indeed taxpayer funded and student funded. They are owned by the citizens.

What's wrong with you people? Ever hear of the Viet Nam war. Yes, that other corrupt and unecessary waste of money and our childrens lives. You know who stopped that war? College protesters! I've been wondering why it's taken almost ten years for our young people to stand up and protest the corruption of the Bush administration and the corporate/lobby/congressional criminals. It's about friggin time! And they are going to fully mobilize come election time. So long tea party and corrupt politicians!

By all means you should do whatever you're told....after all this is America!

We pepper spray in America... If it was China they would have rolled in the tanks and ground the protesters into the sidewalk.

People are still treated better in America than anywhere else in the world..

You have to hand it to the Police, there wasn't any rioting, looting or cars being turned over.. As soon as the crowd feels they can do whatever they want, the bad ones amongst them see how far they can push it..

Harry Butz, what a Putz. , "there wasn't any rioting, looting or cars being turned over" because that wasn't the protesters' agenda you dipstick! But as soon as the wonderful police you adore screw up there will be blood in the streets. Ever hear of Kent State?

What a putz? Wow, you can rhyme... The only thing that rhymes with hoops is poops... Poops McCann..

The looters and rioters are embedded amongst those protestors... Ever heard of the WTO riots in Seattle? It started out as a good thing and escalated into total chaos...

Just because it happens on a college campus doesn't make it any less prone to things getting out of hand..

The most recent example: Penn State.... Over a firing of a stupid coach...

When the police do nothing, then morons like you complain and ask where were they when things get out of hand...

Hey "Hoops" -

Your "ever hear of Kent State?" comment made me think... think of how stupid it is to throw things at people with guns. Ever hear of the Boston Massacre?

You think those cops really want to be there to listen to this crap? They'd rather be home with their families. I think, as "cops" go, that these have been fairly restrained. Look at what happens in Syria or Iran or China when protesters are in the streets.

Harry-

Do you think the LA riots occurred because the police were soft on the rioters. These were college students. I agree, the protest should stop at night and resume each morning, but the pepper spray was excessive and unnecessary. If you were double-parked, would you want to be pepper sprayed, maybe catch some mace for jaywalking. Speeding ticket... and a dose of pepper spray. They should have just picked them up and arrested them, if it was necessary.

We are not in Syria, Iran, or China. That is the point. Americans tolerate dissent. That is the difference. Americans do not tolerate police brutality, that is what makes us different.

Primate- If I was intentionally blocking traffic and wouldn't get out of my car I wouldn't be surprised one bit if I was peppered sprayed...

Those students were intentionally blocking others... Being pepper sprayed is just part of them wearing their badge of honor of being a participant of a sit in...

umm... just a thought pretty sure that was against the pepper spray on q-tips and direct spray into the eyes for an extended period of time. Police were supposed to use the option of the cutting tool.

Yeah, right. The OWS people have already shown that they are willing to use violence. Given this, we have to treat any OWS cell as a threat, just like we would any Al Qaeda cell.

"The OWS people have already shown that they are willing to use violence. G"

But was it really the OWS or people inserted to incite violence to make the OWS look bad?

But was it really the OWS or people inserted to incite violence to make the OWS look bad?

Inserted? No. OWS has welcomed anarchists and criminals into their group to increase their numbers. They have no leadership, no organization, no self-policing, and no guidelines of conduct. This makes them a potential danger anywhere they are present.

I guess Joe hasn't read todays headline that lobbiests have been funding anti- OWS propaganda, etc.

Its funny how the violence only starts when police show up in riot gear, isn't it?

No, Joe, this is corporate tyranny run amok, corrupting politicians to advance their interests at the expense of the middle class. Obama is so intent on placating Independents, he stopped being a Democrat.

"No, Joe, this is corporate tyranny run amok, corrupting politicians to advance their interests at the expense of the middle class"

This is what happens when we have domestic enemies within all three branches of our government.

(Domestic enemies pursue legislation, programs against the powers of the US Constitution. They work on destroying and weakening the Rights of the People guaranteed by the Constitution. Plus they create laws, amendments, etc that goes against the restraint on the three branches of our government by the Constitution)

Remember that the three branches of our government, the Military, all Law Enforcement, all Heads of the States, all federal employees are required to take an Oath to support and defend the Constitution and not an individual leader, ruler, office, or entity.

To some degree, our country and our Constitution have been under assault by domestic enemies for decades. It appears the progression of the attack has escalated over time to include a total disregard of the US Constitution, the highest Law of this land.

Currently we have elected officials who have taken the required oath and yet are working to get rid of the protections the Constitution provides to the people. We have those in Congress who have stretched the meaning of certain phrases of the "living document" so that they no longer resemble the written word.

Obama himself has stated that the Constitution is a "document of negative liberties." What perspective is he looking at the Constitution from, in order to have that opinion? The Bill of Rights is not a list of negative liberties to each of us, but a list of stated restrictions upon the federal government. The Bill of Rights do not restrict you and me, they restrict what the politicians and bureaucrats can do to or against us.

No, Joe, this is corporate tyranny run amok, corrupting politicians to advance their interests at the expense of the middle class.

LOL, right. The politicians were totally innocent and harmless until the big, bad corporations corrupted them.

Joe can't comment on the factual basis of Mark Marowitz's reply to enlighten him. He just comes back with an incredibly STUPID sarcastic remark. What a jackass.

Joe-294579

No, Joe, this is corporate tyranny run amok, corrupting politicians to advance their interests at the expense of the middle class.

LOL, right. The politicians were totally innocent and harmless until the big, bad corporations corrupted them.

_________________________________________________________________

Joe can you read? He said there are "elected officials" within all branches trying take away our rights. In case you can't comprehend that statement it means the politicians were/are not totally innocent. Nor did he ever say they were corrupted by corporations. Matter of fact he never said anything about corporations at all.

If that's the best you have you might want to go back to bed.

Matter of fact he never said anything about corporations at all.

Well, except for the part where he said "corporate tyranny" is "corrupting politicians".

cop lover you need to see one of your own beat to aninch of there lifes or blind by yor pepper spray

First of all, I did not say all police officers had psychiatric issues but many. Of note, police officers are suppose to follow the same laws as you and I and are sworn to "protect and serve." I did not see those students being protected. I also did not see any service they provided. There was plenty of room for others to walk around them. The also were not causing any problem to other students studying or doing what it is they want to do. There was simply no reason to "attack" albeit with pepper spray those individuals that are demonstrating their right to protest and free speech.

I dare to ask do you have a "police officer" in your family? If so, that may be the reason you are so upset. Also, if you chose to be a police officer then you understand the risks of possibly being "shot, killed, etc..." That was your choice. I am not going to think you are any better than anyone else just because you chose that profession. Your profession does not make you the man or woman you are, your actions do. This Lt. and his officers were an embarrassment to America and to human beings.

I am sorry you disagree, but you have that right now. Who knows? They may be over your house soon to pepper spray you because you have your own thoughts. Freedom is given from God, Not Man!! Cause--> Effect

Ill say it again... the police are well within the aspect of the use of force model and did not break any laws... service provided??? how about free eyewash and a ride to the police station.

How about an "apology from the police officers" and a ride to the "civil courthouse for a lawsuit" as that is where its headed!! The protesters may not own UC Davis now, but they will!! All in due time, my friend!!

Although I don't agree with all your accolades for the police I learned a long time ago they're a necessary evil. True their job is to protect you and there are some who will run in the direction of the shots fired to help.

But as you say they are human and not perfect. Unfortunately there are enough bad cops out there (power hungry, chips on their shoulders, w/psych issues etc.) that make the good guys look bad in general. It's a shame but a reality of life and it always has been.

I guess my point is, some use the excuse of having to deal with protesting students and such as reason enough to exceed their authority. In this case the students were asked to remove the tents. 1. They do not have the right to camp out on university grounds. So lets go by the general law of the land concept. Had there not been a protest, would the police, campus or otherwise have let them stay there with their tents?

If the answer is yes! The police (law or not) over stepped the law of the land by using pepper spray. They should have found a better method rather than force.

If the answer is NO! Then the students were out of order no matter how non-violent the protest and forced the police to take a tactical position. They had to remove the students for breaking the law. Strategy, incapacitate them first; then remove them. By doing so you eliminate any violent scuffles which could have ignited the crowd and then all hell would have broken loose and who knows how many people could have been seriously hurt.

In the end...the root of this cause lies in OUR government...VOTE OUT ALL DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS. VOTE AMERICA< VOTE AMERICAN>>>>GRASS ROOTS PASS IT ON.

Perhaps we can vote in people who won't vote party lines instead of voting for bills that help AMERICA and AMERICANS. Whether or not you agree with Occupy or not, it's a fact that these two parties have ran our country into the ground with corruption and greed. There has got to other candidates who are still patriotic! AND not the ones who have been giving us lip service while they screw us into the dirt.

I wonder if OUR FOUNDING FATHERS would call either party patriotic???

Actually, all law enforcement are supposed to protect the US Constitution over anything else. Without it there is no more guaranteed individual rights.

"The most fundamental of the many checks and balances in our system of government is the power to control oneself. At no time is a commitment to this principle more eloquently expressed than when individual officers raise their hands and solemnly swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. May all of us do so with a firm understanding of the principles we have determined to defend and a clear recognition of the people we promise to protect".

The three branches of our government, the Military, all Law Enforcement, all Heads of the States, all federal employees are required to take an Oath to support and defend the Constitution and not an individual leader, ruler, office, or entity.

It's really important to know what is a domestic enemy. Domestic enemies pursue legislation, programs against the powers of the US Constitution. They work on destroying and weakening the Rights of the People guaranteed by the Constitution. Plus they create laws, amendments, etc that goes against the restraint on the three branches of our government by the Constitution.

Because if you do not know what one is, then you do not know if they are destroying your rights "legally" or as a planned destruction of our country, our Constitution, our way of life, our freedoms

@ 'Ms.Cruz'.....Hear, Hear...Well stated and accurate IMO....This was no Kent State, but only 'protesters' who couldn't take 'Yes' for an answer...

UC Davis: "Yes, you can protest, but you can't camp out......"

Protesters: "But I WANT to camp out, you meany..."

UC Davis: "Remove all of the camping gear and you can protest to your heart's content.."

Protesters: "No. You can't make me...Neener neener neener"

Police: "Move or you will be pepper-sprayed"

Protesters :"No. You can't make me...Neener neener, neener"

Protesters: "Pepper spray?...What?...PEPPER SPRAY?? OMG!! Owwwww"

UC Davis/Police: "We tried to tell you....."

There are no good cops. Every one of them would rather be loyal to his fellow officer than follow the law.

Frank-2377283 you need to larn to spel...

you d*ckhead.

StockholmSyndrome,

You've been in the enemy camp so long you've started to sympathize with their gibberish. "There are no good cops" ??? WTF?

Do you know any? I do. You're a horse's ass. I would hope they'd ignore your pleas for help when you're in trouble, but, even knowing your insane views, they wouldn't.

I've always said the police are the enemy of law abiding citizens. They would never do that to gang members or armed thugs.

They would, but they don't want to be accused of racism.

They do, they just whine less than lawbreaking students.

P.S. they shoot armed thugs.

Charles is right. Chicago is ridiculous. The police force there is quite possibly the most corrupt in the nation.

Charles is right. Chicago is ridiculous. The police force there is quite possibly the most corrupt in the nation.

They're merely the enforcement arm of the corrupt city government. It's a shame the people of Chicago keep voting for democrats to run their town.

So "Kulafarmer" (whatever the heck a "kula" is...) you want to, in your words, "take out the cops" ??? I believe that amounts to a terrorist threat against police. I'm going to report you, and your IP address will be tracked. Better hunker-down, because they're going to do more than just pepper-spray your sorry ass.