You all are very sweet, kind people (serious sarcasm). I think if this kid was in his right mind he wouldn't have done this but obviously he wasn't.

My short, non descript story of attemted suicide goes like this. I was an abandon child by my selfish, rotten father, had an alcoholic mother, step father who's 2 bbrother's sexually abused me when I was 12, thieves and liars for sisters, a grandmother who committed suicide, an uncle on drugs and a cheat and gambler as a grandfather.

With that we fast forward to me at 24 years of age. I had such low self esteem and was so screwed up in the head (a product of my enviroment) I got on Alligator Alley in Florida going at least 90 miles an hour hoping someone would hit me with their car not realizing that they may die as well. I had no concept of life being there was no value to mine nor the people that "raised" me. Not all people are raised well. Not all people have a grasp of the value of a loved one if they themselves have never been loved.

NONE of us have ANY idea who or what was behind his suicide. Yes, no doubt, the WHOLE story is tragic but to call him names? Dismissing him in death may just be an extension of his "people" dismissing him in life.

May all parties involved rest in peace.

That may be Nancy, but there is no excuse for this at all. He is a selfish little bastard, period. I have lost the only person in my life that matters to me and makes my life worth living but I won't kill myself and take people with me. I don't have the right to ruin the lives of others. Also they should remove the privacy law so we can see exactly what silly personal problem caused him to do this horrible thing.

"Silly" problems. We have NO IDEA what "silly" problems this kid had for him to want to take his own life let alone others. He may have a "Sandusky" he was dealing with...or a John Wayne Gacy type father...or a Betty Broderick type mother (post divorce) or a Crazy Uncle Richard Speck type...or a nutso Aunt Susan Atkins type. Instead of dismissing him as a kid with "silly" issues it needs to be addressed as what it is, a kid with serious issues. Aren't you even wondering who the real killer is that pushed this kid over the edge? That, my friend, is your real culprit.

I understand your zest for life, your value of humanity but not everyone gets the opportunity to see life through rose colored glasses. Some just see and experience a black, spiraling hole that you don't have the know how to get out of OTHER than death...sad as it may be...no matter what age you are.

There was a little girl, 6 years old, whose mother died. She was so devastated she jumped in front of a train to be with her mommy. Those were her last words....6 years old.

Exactly! If you are suicidal don't envolve others. Don't walk in front of a train or jump from a overpass during rush hour. Just stay home and take a bath with a toaster or suck on a barrel.

My son "Sucked on a barrel" as you so eloquently put it. Suicide is a desperate means of escaping what one feels overpowered by. We get no answers and the anger we feel doesn't ease the pain. It will, given the right insight, let us experience an iota of the emotion that person has to have felt to have taken such an extreme measure. My heart goes to all families concerned, including the guy who caused the accident. His parents do not deserve to live their remaining days with this transfer guilt. My prayers for all concerned.

It has nothing to do with the parents and I can't believe there are idiots out there that still want blood from the parents for what thier kids do! Maybe we should execute Charles Manson's parents for raising him wrong!

He was a minor living under their roof. If his parents aren't responsible for him then who the heck is? Parents need to learn to be parental again. 17 doesn't mean adult.

You know in the "Crossing the Line" case in Montana which aired on Dateline - the kid who killed the family head on sued the family of the dead for mental stress! Check it out on Dateline - I was grinding my teeth through the entire show - it made me so angry and the heart ache of the father and family just brought me to tears. Such disregard for human life. The teenager that killed the family was named Justine Winters and she never took full responsibility for killing them. I cannot imagine their hurt at the loss of four beloved members of their family.

Yeah, ice and Captain, lets sue someone; that's the answer! What a pathetic American mentality. You must believe that everyone throughout time who has committed suicide had @!$%#ty parents. Riiiight. I agree that many parents aren't parents, but people need to take responsibility for their own actions and end this sickening blame game society has been playing for far too long.

I am with "Inh" on this one. Why would the parents be sued? That part I don't understand - yes he was a minor but I don't see how the parents are to blame for this based on what has been presented to us so far. I would hope they were not accessories to his act/crime - I would hope they did not say "Now son - go out and speed to 100 miles an hour and hit another car head-on. You need to make sure it has a lot of people in the other car to make a big impact". Sounds ridiculous doesn't it?

17 might not mean adult, but it also doesn't mean the parents are responsible for EVERY action their teen makes. They're not at the age where they're supposed to be on a child leash. What do you REALLY expect his parents to do? Follow him around 24/7?

Unfortunately parents are responsible for their children's actions until they are legal adults or emancipated by the courts. Although I don't see the point in suing, the parents are responsible for their 17-year-old's actions.

Agreed... my thoughts exactly as I was reading this.

What a complete and total bastard!

If life was that bad for him, he could have easily found a way to 'do' himself without taking out four random strangers at the same time.

Aint that the truth! There are lots of ways to die in car without killing other people.

I'm telling you - they must have been out of pink finger nail polish or out of his color of jeans. I guarantee you it is going to be for something so stupid - that your mouth will drop!

Your comment is not just ignorant, but actually evil. You need help before you become a statistic like this poor kid.

Cleareye [and I use that loosely] - to whom are you referring? If it is to my comment - I am saying that I believe that the issue(s) this kid was facing were not as serious as you would like to make it out to be. Secondly -- you should be able to draw a conclusion from the reference of cause statements I listed above - that they were made as parallel reference to the fact that the issue related to this persons act were not of serious importance.

So I suggest that th person that needs the help is you - because you are not able to see as clearly as your call sign indicates!

I know - very scary isn't it! Very innocent going home and BOOM - you are hit by some fool!

I saw that episode of Dateline, too. The worst part about that whole situation is that she NEVER shows remorse and NEVER apologizes to the family. Supposedly she has no recollection of the crash or the events leading up to it, but a well-rounded person would put two and two together (texts, actions, etc.) and AT LEAST acknowledge that it was a possibilty. She was in complete denial and never once apologized to the man who lost his wife and son because of her selfish actions.

At least in this case, there will be no trial and no chance for the scumbag to try and explain away his actions. I hope that both families will be able to heal after such a senseless tragedy.

I KNOW! That was mess up was it not?!?!?

No Sir! There is no excuse for intentionally taking the life of innocent people! This kid should have known the difference between right and wrong and blaming it on clouded judgement does NOT cut it - whatever the cause! I could care less if he was gay and being bullied and hated getting up each day. If that was the case - take your damn self out - not others who value their life and wish to live it fully!

Excuse murder of random people? I don't know anybody who excuses murder of random people for any reason. Get over your homophobia.

If that turns out to be the case then we are all guilty. To bully a gay kid mercilessly is an act of cowardice deserving of severe punishment as it can lead to events like this, and all because some bully is unsure of his own masculinity and tries to camouflage his weakness with bravado. Pitiful.

Cleareye - you need help! Something is wrong with you - something is serious wrong with you! And you need to change your call sign and picture to some clouds - because in my opinion the picture of "Clouds" and the call sign "Cloudy" will better represent you!

Keep reading. Turns out, I'm right.

Scratch that - that should have read, "Turns out, I'm glad I wasn't right." Or, at least that nobody so far has posted anything like that.

Personally, I think he should have found a speeding train to play chicken with. Trains rarely suffer any damage and hardly ever is anyone on the train injured.

I'd still be very curious about this kid's story - and especially why the police seem to be very close-mouthed about it.

Opinions are always welcome on my end, be it crazy or logical, if you can't handle other people's viewpoints, then you best not use internet forums/bloggs at all. No one's thoughts are "useless", but contribute to the overall discussion.

We're adults. This is a public forum. This story angers us, and we are expressing ourselves. So you may take your holier-than-thou sickness and enjoy it alone.

Thank you,

Sincerely, the rest of us.

99octane adn Alkpaz - while I don't agree with everything you write, you both make good points. I think the story makes me so sick I'm extremely sensitive to particular statements.

You have a point and are so right - I remember the IRS incident - as well as the Columbine one. Is that not scary to you? It just scares the hell out of me that some - in order to make a statement - have to kill as many as possible to get their point across. It is just so sad - that poor family.

The key words in your statement are "kill himself" - but that was not the case here alone -he killed himself and OTHERS! I will be willing to bet that his family had no idea he was having issues or even thinking of a murder-suicide act - some of these kids are great actors. I also believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion and statements.

madmom - nice to know I'm not alone in being "holier than thou". You are absolutely correct in that it is horrible for ALL. Who knows why he did what he did. What he did was so awful. But it still shocks me at times what people write -

Nobody here generally gives a rat's patootie what his parents might feel. He sure as hell didn't! Stop with the sniffling, and the hand-wringing and face up to reality. He KILLED FOUR PEOPLE, simply because his whiney and worthless butt felt offended by someone or some thing. Too bad! He's the only one here who actually deserves to be dead, because he knowingly killed another in an act of narcissism and selfishness without equal.

What a disgusting bunch of apologists, excusers, and self-absorbed whiners you all are, claiming sympathy for ALL the victims, while simultaneously trying to excuse or forgive the crime by virtue of his hurt feelings and pain. If he had chosen an honorable way, like driving into a bridge abutment, or off a cliff, nobody would notice or care much, but he felt he could get the most attention possible by killing others as well.

If it only were possible, I hope he could die twenty times more.

I'd care

Well tell it like it is "My Mom Did Not Raise A Fool!" - you didn't miss a beat!

Mymomdidnotraise a fool...I know for sure I'm not excusing his actions and I believe (I don't know for sure) some who seem to share similar thoughts as mine are not excusing his actions either.

However, we are drawing attention to those who are writing things that shock us with a level of judgement and hatred beyond the pale. So far I've been called a name, along with the young man who killed the four people. That's fine I guess but in my opinion its a simple way of communicating. What' next..nanny nanny boo boo...stick your head in doo doo?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion...including us yes?

"how would you feel if it was YOUR CHILD that had so much pain in his heart that he felt he had to kill himself...how would YOU FEEL"

Considering the fact that he did NOT commit suicide but rather he killed four random strangers, what his parents feel doesn't matter one @!$%#ing bit as far as this discussion is concerned.

If anything they should have civil liability for the costs of the victim families - their kid was still 17 after all and they are responsible for his actions.

His parents should feel like the worst possible people on the planet right now. Regardless of the reason, their numbskull of a kid murdered four people when he wanted to take his own life. Murder. And you expect sympathy for HIS PARENTS? Sure in the general basic humanity standpoint - it always is sad to see anybody suffer... but from a specific standpoint, hell no! In their case there's no reason that you should be laying the wreath on them - think about the four random strangers murdered by the dip@!$%# kid.

They need to feel utterly terrible right about now - their kid is a minor mass murderer, don't you get that??? It doesn't matter that he was depressed - he killed random strangers - it does not get lower than that.

"So far I've been called a name,"

Yes because in your utter naievete, you suggest that we should feel bad for HIS parents and you neglect to mention the actual victims' families one bit. Needless to say, most out here are going to think that you're clueless for having that as an opinion, and quite rightly so.

His parents don't need the sympathy cards now - the families of the randomly murdered strangers do. @!$%# his parents.