Unfortunately, this type of story is more the norm than the exception in most cities. Copes are a brotherhood of psychopaths. Anyone wanting to join law enforcement to make things better and proper, is quickly recognized as a boat rocker and troublemaker, and is quickly alienated then removed from service. Can't have anyone busting up that policemen's union of psychos. I feel sorry for the naivety of those who still think the police are there to protect them. Despite my detestation of guns, I'd feel safer protecting myself with one than depending on the criminal police to keep the "bad guys" away. Guilty until proven innocent. Politically driven groups who only want money and power, not protection and justice.

What ever Cygnus_X-1, what never heard of the 10%. No matter what job, there is going to be 10% that give that job a bad name. For police I would suspect that its more like 30%, these people took the job for all the wrong reasons and most now days are all Collage Grads with ZERO life Experiences=Recipe for disaster.

A "crime"? Really? Trespassing in a park? We pay hundreds to have her processed and and released? You think this is a good deal?

You still don't have to carry an ID in America. Yet.

I constantly hear we can not afford health care, food stamps, etc. As a tax payer, I can not afford to see my tax dollars wasted so some loser can play bully behind a badge. And all of the other public servants aided and abetted his unethical behavior. If the police want the support of the public, they need to remember who they work for. If they have time for wasting money like this, they are telling me we have too many police, and need to cut their budget.

You do have to carry an ID in America

Show a link to that law

usa is great

I agree. We all want the illegals to produce ID then we must also live tot hat same standard and have our ID on our persons at all times as well. I dont know about any of you but I go no where without my ID. She needs to take this as a lesson learned and dont forget to carry your ID with you all of the time. I thought I read that she had a cell phone but not your ID, I hope that was not the case because if it is the case then I certainly dont have ANY sympathy for what she did and the consequences that took place after your poor decision

during a time i was not employed a police officer illegally took my california id card. i did not at the time have the $25.00 replacement charge for a new id. for many months i was consigned to not having an id card because of the lack of finances to replace and when i contacted the police their response "was why don't you just go and get another id card?" what was my negligence in not having an id card? should i have to stay in jail because of law enforcement illegality?

i was doubly penalized. not only by your standards i should be jailed, in california you have to have state id, either a state id card or a state drivers license to gain employment. so by not having an id card or the means to get another one i could not get a job legally in the state of california. the police know this because one of the first things they ask you is your employment status (this is the reason i have learned to not answer that question). and no, you don't have any legal obligation to answer that question. the officer knew what he was doing when he took my id card. he was keeping me in poverty.

the police only have the right to keep you long enough ascertain your identity. in today's technological policing that takes no time. she should only have been kept a couple of hours max. if she was registered at a nearby hotel they could have verified that quickly with one phone call (most police department pay for their officers cell phone bill in lieu of walkytalkies).

there were many alternative ways to have handled this situation. to intimate that the way the police handled is the only way is misguided at best.

There is NO law that says one must carry an ID. This police arrest is ridiculous and the police officer should be disciplined.

The fact that the judge got rid of the ticket in less than a minute supports that.

You do have to carry an ID in America if you dont want this kind of thing to happen to you.

Please show the U.S. Code requiring that?

You DO have to have ID to: get on a plane, drive a car, get into certain age restricted establishments, buy alcohol or tobacco.

You do NOT have to have an ID to: go for a walk, be a passenger in a car, go grocery shopping, or a myriad of other activities.

She was not charge for not carrying an ID. She was charged with trespassing.

And yes... this was stupid all around.

Having said that, some department policies are to detain that person until ID can be established. I kind of agree with that policy. My brother was arrested for shoplifting. He used my name. Police never bothered to establish ID when he didn't provide one. Then my brother skipped his court date (of course)...

So, a warrant was issued in my name for failure to appear. I was half way across the country. I had to drive (very carefully) back to Florida to prove I wasn't the one arrested.

Again... I'm not trying to troll the thread. I'm just saying... she went to jail for not being able to produce ID, and I had a warrant issued in my name because my brother didn't produce ID.

Which policy is right? Should we start a national database of fingerprints and allow cops to verify ID through a handheld device? Every idea will find a large group of people blasting it as wrong. But until we find a solution that works, stupid things will happen to people.

/I feel bad for her

//I felt bad for me

Which is the more serious crime? In a park after hours, no ID or the police showing how well they are at being pigs? When bogus cases like this are dismissed the officers should at the very least have to pay court costs if not restitution for time misspent.

Good grief! What horrible treatment and this is the tip of the iceberg of the hellish news about what really happens to people.

In fairness to cops, all the ones I've ever met have been very professional. Haven't run into big city cops, but I still look to the police for protection, not a shake down.

Meanwhile, Lindsay Lohan was found with 1 kilo of cocaine in her gucci bag after another car accident she caused, but was released 30 minutes later when she said it wasn't hers.

"In a land that's known as freedom how can such a thing be fair? Won't you please come to Chicago just to sing"

Stupid @ss cops. Don't they realize that once they supress the people their owners/masters will cut their pay and pensions?

@Nick46 #1.3

The only 'crime' she committed was being in a park at 3 a.m. - the lowest level of sub-misdemeanor possible! Not having I.D. on you is not a crime. And, by the department's own statement a person is permitted to have someone retrieve their I.D. if asked for it and not on their person. The fact that Durrel felt compelled to charge her for her non-crime shows a great deal of personal insecurity on his part.

We can always hope the echo of cries of PIG are his guilty conscience. OINK OINK!

I've never encountered such low life cops in NYC or anywhere I've traveled but, I guarantee, if he ever did something like this to me while in the city, he'd be up on charges in a New York minute and he'd be turning in his badge in no time. What he did was, quite simply, unconscionable and beneath contempt. The entirety of New York should be ashamed and embarrassed at this kind of conduct from one of their supposed "finest".

The police conduct personality tests before accepting recruits. They want the 'right kind' of police officers... a good example of which is found in this very headline.

The only effectiveness I've ever seen in changing police is to remove all upper administrative personnel and demand a change from the new administrative personnel, hiring the right people through careful selection.

Usually, the lower ranking employees fall into line quite quickly.

Trespass is a misdemeanor crime. However, the police could have found out who she was, and whether or not there were any warrants out on her just with her name. Unless she was withholding information (like her name), would they have to wait to have her 'processed' by a judge.

I have to agree that it was either a slow night at the precinct, some cops were tripping on their own egos, or they were just being total asses. It cost more to keep her and "process" her than it would have for them to do their actual jobs.

"Papers, Please."

Look out peasants, the "authorities" are here!

Since "We, the Tax Payers" pay for idiots like this to have a job, we should also be able to be the ones that tells him that he is FIRED!!! And to Nick46, you seriously have to be kidding me right? 36 hours in jail because she didn't have her ID on her? That is extremely pathetic and communist to say the least. The arresting officer(douche bag) should be fired and then denied unemployment, let him eat cake. I hope that she sues for undo stress, maybe next time, one of these New York Nazi's will think twice about arresting some one for 2 days because they didn't have their ID on them. That is just another reason to never visit Screw York.

There is not one state in the USA that has a "law" that requires you to have an ID let alone carry one. You need a photo ID to do certain things in this country, however just walking around is not one of them . Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool who does not know what they are talking about.

Try being homeless and then getting an ID. In order to get ID, the state wants an address. No address, no ID...........No ID, no address, no welfare checks or social security checks. The government wont mail a check to you with no address. They like it that way, as then some that would be eligible for a check do not get one as no address. Uncle Sam likes that aspect of no ID, NO address.........It saves them money.

I dated a Sacramento Dispatcher, she told me, the cops she works with are worst then the inmates. For all the people who wrote that she deserved what she got, I hope you are put in a situation where your arrested for something and moved around for days in the jail system until your released so your able to walk in her shoes to know the feeling of helplessness. If I read this story correctly, she said the officer put words in her mouth when she address him as "SIR". as if she was calling him a foul name. This happens, it justifies for the officer to fuel his mean and hateful personality. I was drinking beer and listening to country music and two young men started sh*t with me about the music I was listening too. A fight broke out, a police office came, I was arrested, the officer told me he will have the women with the men testify in court that I pulled my d**K out and have me put away for 8 years. my reply was, "SO O.J. WAS FRAMED". America is not the greatest country in this world, it is just okay. Over 400 innocent people have been freed from prison from DNA. DA's and Police Officers lied in U.S.Court to get a conviction. How many innocent people has the U.S. put to death because of Police Officers and DA's who lied and fabricated evidence to get a conviction. All it take is one Officer (and the ones who watched from the side line) like this one in this article to destroy a lot of INNOCENT LIVES. This women or any other person do not deserve this kind of justice.

Those of you who support the arrest of this young lady are as sharp of a bowl of jello, stupid as a stick, dumb as a brick, or just ignorant.

If it is a crime of "trespass" to be in a public park, then the law needs to be changed. A "public park" is owned by the public. Thus, a person who is in a public park, is in a park that he/she owns. Thus, no trespass. If there is a law not to be in a park after certain hours, then it is a violation of that particular law. However, if the law is not conspicuously placed, then visitors from another state would not know of the law since in most states, public parks are, in fact, public parks. This girl should not have been arrested, and yes you idiots, common sense, does matter. Most people who don't have it can't recognize it.

As to the ID, if it is a law making it mandatory to carry an ID, virtually every American under the age of 15 should be in jail. There is no law that illegal aliens carry an ID. Why you might ask you mental giants? They are illegal, they should not have an US ID.

"Life is tough, it's tougher when you're stupid..."

@Beth & Bart & Starbucks-- if you don't think not having your ID on you anytime you are in public isn't a crime, stay out of the great state of Washington. All the way back in 1987, a co-worker of mine was nearly arrested for just such a thing. We saw a mutual friend in the back seat of a cop car in the parking lot of the restaurant where we worked. We were laughing at our friends misfortune when one of the cops got mad and demanded to see my co-worker's ID!! We had nothing to do with whatever was going on, we just happened to know the person they had in custody. When he asked why, he was nearly tackled by the now-outraged officer! Turns out that cops in WA state have a right to demand to see your ID anytime, for no reason at all. So much for the Fourth Amendment!!!

Sorry, you might not need to have an ID, but she is stupid to not carry one because you don't know what could happen. What if someone had stolen it and then committed a crime, if that person looked like her. I carry an id on me even if I am going a block away. I have been stopped by cops and accused of skipping school (I'm much older than that). What if she had been killed and no one knew her identity? Would that make you feel better if that happened and she couldn't be identified?

Papers...?

We fought a war 60 years ago so that people would not be confronted by officers in uniforms demanding to see our papers...

Didn't we...?

Was it Justified..?

Are you kidding me...?

This is EXACTLY what you can expect with the immigrant laws going on in a few states. No ID... Go straight to jail.

Now I know all you Republicans LOVE that idea, until the bill comes in the mail. THIS COSTS US MONEY!

You complain about spending, then turn around and throw money away for useless, pointless laws. It is NOT a crime to forget your ID... repeat, NOT A CRIME.

So now you want to WASTE MONEY by arresting every forgetful person, all in the name of immigration. And while those cops are busy arresting everyone who forgets their ID at home, real criminals continue to commit crimes.

Great job, Republicans. Way to go. You have successfully passed laws to WASTE MORE MONEY... and passed laws that keep cops busy while real criminals run free. Is that what you call fiscal responsibility? Wasting MY tax dollars on forgetful people?

This is only the beginning christopher. Everyone knows what I am referring to, whether they would deny it or not. This is only the beginning. The "peasants" of this country better start preparing their minds for what is coming with this government.

On top of the cops bad behaviour there is also the forgotten laws of having to cary an ID and not being able to be in the park at night. What happened to freedom.

Just the other day I went to walk my dog in a park a mile away at 7 pm with my son. The park ranger came and told me it was closed after dark. This park has never been closed before and I am a regular who has visited doing night runs for years. This year they added a state fee to use the parks. It must have been enough to afford the park ranger to come tell me I no longer have the freedom to walk in the park at night. Pay more and get less! What makes it worse was that the park area was donated to the county by some nice folks years ago -- not the state. The park ranger of course has a house on the park. I guess someone gets to enjoy the waves lapping the beach at night.

First of all, I had to go to City Search to find out what the hours are for the park. The Parks website doesn't list them anywhere I could see them, and I doubt that any signs posted on the street are easily visible at night. There is no way of knowing what the hours are for an open stretch of land, 4 miles long and only about 500 feet wide. If you're standing across the street you can see the boardwalk and the Hudson. It is simply too accessible if this is the response towards anyone who wants to see the river a little closer.

Taking a simple walk in the city that never sleeps should never elicit that kind of a response from a cop. Any reasonable person who didn't have an axe to grind with society would have simply told the two kids to move along, the park is closed. But instead, this policy wonk with a hard on for throwing the book at every person he meets (because he likes the power) decides he needs to run background checks on every person who jaywalks, walks on the grass, or sneezes without covering their mouth - hoodlums!! He easily could have entertained this girl's need to get her ID from her hotel across the street. But he was a dick instead. Because of a lack of humanity and a zeal for crushing people under his thumb, this idiot pig wasted our money, this girl's time and goodwill, and spread more derision and bad feelings about cops.

Job well done, NYPD! The streets are safe again!

Well it seems clear, officer a-hole from precinct X should not be allowed to tromp on people's rights anymore. Perhaps a nice stint on desk duty will readjust his attitude to Serve and Protect that is the credo of most police forces around the country. A good cop is in a noble profession that doesn't get the respect they deserve most days. A bad cop just needs to find another career. It sounds like internal affairs needs to put an undercover in the park without ID and make sure they've got enough on this cop to show him the door. Even if what he did was technically legal, it showed very poor judgement.

...oh and by the way, not having valid ID on your person anytime you are in public in the State of Washington IS a misdemeanor.

Only experience I have had with big city cops was in Boston, and I could see something like this happening. I was pulled over for a "broken tail light" at about 12am. The officer wanted to search my vehicle for drugs or something but for some reason sped off shortly after asking the question. I checked my lights after the cop left and both my tail lights were working, as were my blinkers and headlights. Guess they didn't like someone with Vermont plates driving around in their city unsupervised or something. Cop wouldn't have found anything if he had searched my car since I have never been involved with any type of drug use in my life, and I have no criminal record. I'm just glad it didn't head in the direction I thought it was going after he mentioned I had a broken tail light.

I feel bad for the girl since right now it is nearly impossible to find any type of Design job right out of school. I have a BFA in Graphic Design from one of the top schools in the country and I am still looking a year and a half and over a thousand applications later. Hopefully the jerk that did this didn't cause her to miss a job opportunity... for her sake.

where in the world did you dream up( blame obama) you need to read the post and stay on point

I guess she'll learn to carry her ID with her from now on.

Nah, probably not.

Ok, ok...there is no misdemeanor for not having an ID - you can be detained as a driver for not having ID, and you can also be detained for refusing to give your name and/or address.

First, what the United States Supreme Court said. What the United States Supreme Court held in Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial Dist. Court (2004) 542 U.S. 177, was that a state could make it a crime for a person to refuse to identify himself (i.e., tell the officer his name and address) when lawfully detained for criminal activity. Note that the Supreme Court did NOT say that any kind of identification papers could be required, nor did they say that police officers could ordinarily arrest someone for refusing to identify himself absent a state law permitting that arrest.

This supreme stupidity is obviously not just on the part of the police officer. The individuals who think this is the fault of the Obama administration need to come back to earth and get their head out of Uranus.

First, it's a bit of a relief that this happened to a Caucasion person...otherwise, the "amnesty for illegals" crowd would be on here throwing a fit about "profiling."

That said, this story should be a very simple lesson for anyone in this country: Carry some form of ID! I mean, they're in a public park after the park is closed, so it's not unusual for the police to ask for ID in a situation like that. And the guy who had ID was let go right away. It's sad that the girl had to go through what she did, but if she had her ID with her, well, problem solved. I wish I knew what everybody's hangup is about having to carry ID on them. That simple act will solve about 100 times more problems than it causes.

When an officer, is violating the Constitutional Rights of another individual, he is NOT protected by Legal Impunity. He can be arrested for assault with a deadly weapon, and charged with as may as 10 different violations, and is personally liable as is his supervisor, the prosecuting attorney's office, and the Department for malpractice. Look out, someone is going to get sued, and I would file criminal kidnap charges with the State Police and ask the Justice Department to handle Federal Charges.

Local Law Enforcement is out of Control.

This is such a blight on officers who are really trying to accomplish something good, that every officer on that force should go home and STAY home (for what this nut-job, gestapo-wannabe has done to their reputations) until he is fired and restitution is made to Ms. Zucker.

They should say clearly through their actions that this is NOT what we are all about, and the force needs to get busy reassuring the taxpayer. Until that time - We're done.

No law says you have to carry ID, period. However, the lack of ID could get you "detained" indefinitely until ID can be established.

Now if she had said "I'm an illegal AND an occupy protester" then they would have let her publically urinate as well as camp out.

I hold the police to a high standard, as I do for all of Gov't.

But once they are writting you a ticket, they have to know who you are. They have to know if you have warrants.

The entire article blames the one cop for the nastiness of the Gov't beurocratic system.

The cop didn't keep her there for 36 hours. The Gov't did.

They should be able to determine who you are and whether you are legal in minutes, not 36 hours.

This is why it is so important for civilians to be able to record on video all encounters with police. They film their encounters with us for evidence, but then they get to control that evidence don't they. If an officer is abiding by the law and conducting him or herself professionally then they have no reason to react furiously to a video. Taping an officer at their job IS NOT resisting arrest or refusing a ticket. It is insurance that you won't be taken advantage of. I think that every car ought to be outfitted with a camera that points towards the side windows. If they know they are on tape, maybe they'll behave themselves a little better.

this is frightening. the police have so much power and they are just as normal or messed up as the rest of the population. I am still fuming that the two rape cops were aquitted! Such a scary scene...getting home drink and two unifromed police take advantage!

TINA in #1.42: Awesome. Thank you. So if they say a state "could" make it a crime, doesn't that mean it has to be a written law then? Or will the state be leaving the decision to the discretion of the arresting agency?

She technically broke two laws here being in a park after dusk and not carrying an I.D.. it is law that all adults must carry a state id or drivers liscence with them at all time. But i do think two days in jail is a little long for this. My biggest concern is with Mr. Dwyer and his editor. Reading this was like reading a 12yr olds account of what happend. i know this post sucks but im not pretending to be smart or a reporter.

Mike, I thought the same thing! How in the world can anyone without a head up the kazoo blame the Prez for this!

So Joe, do you seriously believe that not having ID on you is justifiable for spending 36 hours in jail? I used to think that I lived in a FREE country, I now I seriously having doubts. It would have taken a mere 10-15 minutes for her friend to retrieve her ID, problem solved. And for the dim wits trying to blame Obama, I am pretty certain that New York is not run from Washington. Besides, even though Bloomberg is supposedly an Independent, he was a long term Republican. Wake Up America, our last little bit of freedoms are disappearing every day.

Jim C-3447709

She was not charged for not carrying an ID. She was charged with trespassing.

Why did the officer not charge her friend for trespassing if she was charged?

Does not make any sense at all, and i don't understand why would anyone stand behind this guy?!

nokoolaid - it is not a law that residents of NYC must carry an ID.

Further, the park closes at 1am not dusk. Unfortunately the signs are either not obvious or not present. Also there are clearly no hard barriers such as fences or gates that would keep unwanted people out after hours. I'm sure this cop could make a living kicking people out of Riverside Park on any night of the week. There are likely dozens of "trespassers" a night.

The discretion whether or not to follow through on prosecution of any crime rests with the officer. An appropriate response is to tell them to go somewhere else - not demand ID and take one of them to jail for two days. I have been in plenty of situations when a cop has told me some public place was closed and that I should move along. Never have I been given ticket for trespassing!

G;lad your not claiming to be smart nokoolaid cause you're not. There is NO law that says you have to carry ID at all times..

In the article, I failed to find the arresting officer's ID. I for one, would dearly love to know a lot, a very lot, more about this person.

I have to give credit to someone else because I didn't come up with this, although I wish I did. 99% of all cops give the other 1% a bad name!!!!

it's New York...cesspool from top to bottom

If this happened on October 22nd, why are we just hearing about some 10 days later?

LOL, you libs are something else. We are required tio have an ID. You people will go off for the strangest reasons! Leave it to MSN to blow this out of proportion!

Scratch New York City off the list of places I want to visit.

Allow me to explain in simple terms so that those screeching abouts rights and law suits can understand.

When this young lady was detained for a crime, tresspassing. The police officer had due right to know who she was and to be able to confirm who she was by her producing legal identification whether it be a driver's license or some form of state ID. Without production of said ID she could be and she was detained.

Yes, I agree that this could have been settled in a much simpler manner and would have cost much less on her part and on the part of the city. But, it was not illegal, unconstitutional, or anything similar.

And for those of you who want to roll up every officer and every precinct and label them based on the actions of one officer or the inefficiency of one city's operations; I suggest you get to know some of your local law enforcement. Most are decent hard working people who do their best to treat everyone they encounter reasonably and respectfully. Too bad the people they serve aren't that kind to them

Ok, so she and her friend were unknowingly in the park after closing hours and the police came by. The police have every right to do so, and as these 2 were technically breaking the law, the police have every right to ascertain their identity and check for warrants, etc. However, with that being said, she should have been detained ONLY the length of time it took her friend to run across to her hotel and grab her ID and have it checked. We're talking 30 minutes at most. If the hotel were a ways away I could even see taking her to the station and holding her for up to an hour while the id was retrieved - again, that's all well within the rights of the police on the basis that she was breaking the law in the first place. 36 hours is beyond any realm of reasonable - not to mention the costs of transferring her back and forth between stations (why again?), etc. Other officers were aware of the ridiculous situation, and one would like to assume that they are also aware that the department allows others to fetch id's in these situations, yet NO ONE spoke up?

I don't think this is lawsuit worthy but I do sincerely hope she lodges a formal complaint against the arresting officers and that this gets investigated.

Here is an interesting link, Edward Lawson is the man responsible for us not having to carry ID, This LA Times story is about how he was arrested years later for basically the same thing. The charges were dropped thanks to him and his landmark Supreme Court decision.

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-04-04/news/we-19248_1_edward-lawson

They never mention the cops name of course we must protect him he is a legitimate crime fighter,but if we could research his background we'd find out he was a bully not a red-neck..Bully America is full of them.

Red-neck, A patriot who will kick anyone's ass for picking on his brothers..

A Bully an ignorant scum bag to the world around him who would pick on anyone because he thinks he has the right to..

This is just other example of the fascist mentality running rampant across the country. I guess the cop didn’t want to risk arresting a real criminal [that could be dangerous] it’s much easier to arrest a little girl instead. He and his superiors should be ashamed. I can’t wait for America to return to rational thinking and dump this twisted right wing “Everybody’s a Criminal” thinking onto the trash heap of history.

Jim C-3447709 @ #1.13 - I am sorry that happened to you BUT I don't want to live in a police state just because of your experience.

They were trespassing. They told the officer, Sorry - We didn't know. That should have been the end of it. They should have been told to move on.

But NO, you always have some gung-ho idiot that has to exert his authority. We DO NOT (or not supposed to) live in a police state. If I wanted to live in a police state, I would relocate to another country with LESS freedom.

We had better be very careful about what we are allowing to happen to our country. I don't always have ID on me and I don't intend to do so when I feel it is unnecessary.

the humidity of it all...back to the steam room...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM_f1_-JArM

Well the state I live in its required. I thought it was national.

One peculiarity I have noticed over the years. Most municipal policemen, county sheriffs and sheriff deputies, are generally much sorrier, much more inept, and much more dangerous, than "state highway patrolmen". This seems to be so, at least for me, no matter which state I happen to be in.

So it is A OK to not have an ID if you are an illegal immigrant in the USA, but if you are an actual USA citizen by God you better have that id on you. What's wrong here people? Since when is it ok to be in this country illegally and it be wrong to ask them to see their id, but stopping anyone else and asking is ok. This SUCKS!!!! It is completely wrong, and if I were this young woman I would sue the pants off the police department. Granted it was only one cop, so go after him but this is completely wrong.

Why are so many of you willing to accept that we as Americans no longer can expect the freedom to simply go for a walk without our ID and the fear someone in "authority" might ask for it? This is wrong on principle! None of us must by law carry ID on our person everytime we leave our homes, and no one can ask to see ID without due cause, based on real law. Why does anyone think this is ok, that we who live in a free society should be arrested for having no ID? I show my ID on the rare ocassion I write a check, I show ID when asked if circumstances involve my money and my bank account. I show ID at the liquor store. I carry ID when I drive. And how is it that anyone can be tresspassing on public property? It doesn't sound like the two young people were being difficult, and Bad Cop was trying to goad the young lady into saying something he could justify his actions for. He knew he was wrong, but not man enough to stop.

I would question the constitutionality of a law in any state or city that says everyone must have ID on their person at all times. There are countless reasons why it is a good idea, but there is only one reason necessary to explain why it is must never be law - it is an affront to our rights as free citizens in a free society.

Cygnus #1.1

Can't cop with copes?

Tell that to the one who pulls you, a friend or family member from a burning car wreck, or helps a stranded motorist during a deadly cold winter white-out. I could go on and on with various scenarios, but the receiver probably won't think it a rational retort because of bias.

To all the people who don't know the NYPD, take it from a native New Yorker, they are called "the Gang in Blue" for a reason. They only see 2 things: Blue & you.

Notice that the other cops know this officer is a problem, but didn't say anything to stop him. Hell, even the supervisor didn't stop him from abusing his power. The supervisor should have killed this when it got to the precinct.

As for needing ID, none is required unless he is going to write her a summons. This offense is less than a parking ticket. So why did she go through central booking?

50% of the NYPD are on a power trip, the other 50% look the other way.

magnificent50 - Excellent post. I cannot understand why anyone wants to give up freedom either. It is truly baffling.

This link is from a post above and in this particular case there was a court ruling that ID was not required and could not be demanded.....

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-04-04/news/we-19248_1_edward-lawson

You should have an id if you are a stranger in a big city. She did...left it in her room...her friend should have been allowed to retrieve it and get it to the police.

The fact that they held her for something that could easily have been dismissed as accidental (did the park have signs? If not, how could she have known if she wasn't from around there?) is just another example of bad cops making good cops look bad. He should be disciplined, if not fired, and the others should grow some so they can stop it from happening again.

Yes, there are good cops out there...those that put their lives in danger to protect people like us.

So lay off the cops, guys.

I doubt most of you haters would even be able to do anything remotely similar to what these men and women do every day. I have had to call them several times in my life, and they were always there to help me.

Don't be so quick to judge all by the actions of some.

And to all you police men and women that do your job the way you should, I appreciate what you do. Be careful...and be safe.

There are many good cops and they can isolate the rogues and until they do they'll be seen as encouraging 'known' hotheads.

I'm sure there are lots of good cops but this type of police insanity is happening all too often. A warning would have been sufficient, ID or not. I'm not normally sue-happy, but in this case, I hope some lawyer will give this police department a lot of grief. Apparently, public outrage makes no impression. Let them feel it in the departmental pocket book.

BuffaloRaom....I'll help connect the dots for you. My original comment was pointing out that undocumented residents/illegal aliens have more rights and receive more benefits than most Americans citizens....particularly this visiting college student. How many illegals trespass at your local Home Depot? I don't see the police or INS in the parking lots asking for ID.

People need to accept that we live in a corrupt fascist corporate state and along with it comes a thug/gang type policing system that is made up of stormtroopers that feel they are above the law they are supposed to enforce. I don't know about you, and I don't blame ALL cops, but when I'm out in public I always assume the police are my enemy - it seems clear that police are much more likely to hurt you than the help you... I don't like saying this because my family has a long history of cops, from beat cops to a police chief but I do think this is what America has come to.

I think this woman should lodge a complaint against the cop for harassment (not the ticket but the unlawful imprisonment for 36 hours) and she should sue. She might even win and I hope she does as this is probably the ONLY way to change police corruption and dereliction of duty.

They need to start fining (or firing) the officers that do such foolish things.... why wasn't he out looking for the criminals that were out stealing, raping and murdering others while he was "busy" with this wanton who didn't have her ID handy! Better yet, assign him to a desk job, that way he can still be employed and the public won't have to deal with him!

saxon

She should have told the officer , she was a illegal alien, therefore under the Lawsuits by justice against, Arizona, Alabama, and South Carolina, she did not have to produce any identification. (what the hell is happening to common sense).

No American is REQUIRED to have ID on them.

That was Nazi Germany your thinking of.

So all of you people think that we live in a free country.Think again by the time you wake up and realize it it will be to late.The crinimals in this country have ruined it for all of us.

JmB66 in #1.51: At the state level they can make it a misdemeanor crime. With Supreme Court ruling(s) as precedence, this won't become a new law for US citizens, and I don't see it going any further than it is right now as far as being classed 'misdemeanor' in the context stated before.

As I've posted several times before:

THE LAW: Policemen so cherish their status as "Peacekeepers" and "protectors of the public" that they have occasionally been known to beat to death those CITIZENS or groups who question that status.

The law technically doesn't require you to carry an ID. Otherwise, we would be living in a "police state"... Oh, wait. My bad...

Welcome to the benefits of 9/11 where the hole in the Pentagon is much too small for the the plane they said hit the building and brought to you by your Homeland Security who has stripped you of some very basic rights in order to help keep you safe and secure. Yes, they can now lock you up and throw away the key if you don't have ID thanks to the Patriot Act.

Welcome to America where it is practically treason to question the offical story about 9/11. This is the land where the president can lie to the people to start an unjustified war and no one seems to care. Is it really such a stretch to believe that they have been lying to us all along? We'll try to impeach a president for lying to us about getting a blowjob but we won't arrest a president wanted for war crimes againt humanity.

What this country needs is a new revolution to reclaim our rights and return the power to the people.

@Neighbor ..

I'd like to see some proof OTHER that your "understanding" that an ID is required (and a misdemeanor if not carried) in Washington state.

When researching , here's the law *I* found:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3181871/POLICE-NOTICE-NO-IDENTIFICATION-REQUIRED

You can also look here:

http://flexyourrights.org/faq/120

For bryan-2876208 in post 1.54: please don't refer to Mayor Bloomberg as a long-time Republican. He was a long-time Democrat who switched to the Republican party when he originally ran for mayor and got elected by basically riding the coattails of the last real Mayor this city had, Rudy Giuliani. He then switched back to Democrat when he ran for re-election, then became an "independent" when he went against City law and ran for his third term. He'll basically wear whatever label that suits him best at the time.

Didn't mean to go off-topic there, but I had to address this.

As for the park rules, this is copied directly from nycgovparks.org:

§1-03 General Provisions

1. Hours of Operation
   1. Persons may enter and use the parks from 6:00 a.m. until 1:00 a.m. unless other open hours are posted at any park.

So the office was well within his duties to stop these two people. Again, have ID on you. You'll be surprised how much easier things will be if you do.

Be happy, statists! You got what you wanted.

So the office was well within his duties to stop these two people. Again, have ID on you. You'll be surprised how much easier things will be if you do.

I agree - he was within his rights to stop them as they were in the park after hours. A simple pointing that out would have probably done the trick. But even if he decided to go further, minor trespassing gets a TICKET similar to a speeding or parking ticket. It does NOT get you hauled off to jail.

The was also in his rights to ASK who they were, their address, etc. But as to having ID on them ... that is NOT a requirement in this country. While it may have been easier, the burden is not on the citizen, it is on the officer to behave in an appropriate manner.

You should have noticed the victim (and yes, she WAS a victim) offered to send people to her hotel to get her ID yet NO officer allowed this to happen.

There are a great many good, honest and decent cops out there. I know quite a few. This one, and the ones who stood by and watch, do not number among them.

Jailed for no "ID"? Where I live, if you don't have your ID on you and the cops want to know if you are who you said, they run your SS number. NOT to hard to do. As long as you can answer some questions that pertain to that personal info, usually you are OK. While there are some good cops, there are also bad ones. Not to long ago, where my wife works, was robbed at gun point, The young lady that was working had the gun put in her face then locked in the bathroom while this person took several thousands of dollars.When she got out of the bathroom, called the cops, it took them two hours to respond to a armed robbery! We live in a relatively small town, I have checked and there was nothing else going on that night that would delayed them for two hours. And they wonder why people want to carry guns.

Chadin NYC you hit the nail right on the head. Every cop is a criminal.

Oppressive police? Now I seen everything. You should see the cops here in New Orleans. They murdered innocent handicap citizens on the Danziger Bridge. Then they tried to COVER IT UP. Here's a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danziger_Bridge_Shootings

Why didn't her friend get her ID and go to the police station? Why didn't the friend who got the ticket not ask basic information of where she was going to meet her? I carry my ID to avoid these types of problems because some cops are stupid.

And for those of you who want to roll up every officer and every precinct and label them based on the actions of one officer

No... I base it on the actions of most of the local law enforcement I've had occasion to deal with for most of my adult life.

Some of the highest percentages of mental illness, spousal abuse, suicides... the numbers don't lie. I find most of them to be egocentric, overly-arrogant, downright rude, abusive, and most seem to live in an alternative reality.

And I didn't WANT to feel this way about local law enforcement either. It's only over the past 20 years that their consistent track record of abuses and bullying have caused me to feel this way. I was raised all my life to respect them to honor what they do, and supposedly do for us. But now I just fear them.

"Common sense is never common"

Voltaire

Welcome to America! In the US cops can "detain" you for 72 hours while they "investigate" their suspicions. With the brains some of them have, it could take the whole 72 hours. Some freedom?

@Jim C-3447709

The trouble with sending her to jail for not being able to produce ID is that it's not true that she couldn't produce ID. She just couldn't produce it immediately. Instead of waiting fifteen minutes so her friend could go to the nearby hotel to get it for her, the officer arrested her for not producing an ID that she could have shown if he'd had just a tiny modicum of patience and respect.

Why didn't her friend go and get the id and bring it to the jail?

About 40,000 people a year - the vast majority young black and Latino men - are fed like widgets onto a conveyor belt of court, booking and arrest, after being told to empty their pockets and thus commit the misdemeanor of "open display" of marijuana.

And here's where so much of it starts . Starting with a way to prosecute our assinine "War on Drugs" approach to marijuana, where the main casualty is human rights. Once the precedent is established that basically anyone can be stopped if the officer feels like it, then everything else follows.

One thing is interesting -- it's almost like she looked 'OUT OF PLACE', being that far uptown that late at night. Must be sort of like being black in Westchester!

The cops are under fire from their overlord bosses to get these damn occupy protesters to go home. If they screw with some of them, word gets out, FEAR takes hold, and other would-be protesters stay home. Mission accomplished.

Our occupiers; in my city, are standing on sidewalks and the plaza in front of the new cityhall...which we the voters never voted to build with our tax money. Our city has created loopholes in building laws and they do *renovations* to buildings which include the complete destruction of the old building except for 10% of the structure and all of the original footprint must be included in the replacement building. It is total crap. The gov'ment doesn't even understand why people are sick and tired of it.

I extend my hand in thoughts of help to this young lady, and to her parents, while wondering what they are going to do about what happened to their daughter in NYC.

I think "What if this had been my daughter"?

Thank goodness she was not abused in any way during those 36 hours or there would surely be hell to pay......

JerseyGirl -- in my opinion, this is abuse and there should be "hell to pay." This whole thing is outrageous.

Susi-Oh

You are absolutely correct. She was abused. But what if she had been physically abused and should not even have been there in the first place. It is outrageous. The people in this country better wake up before it is too late. It is almost impossible to regain power after you have abdicated the throne.

As I've posted several times before:

THE LAW: Policemen so cherish their status as "Peacekeepers" and "protectors of the public" that they have occasionally been known to beat to death those CITIZENS or groups who question that status.

The law technically doesn't require you to carry an ID. Otherwise, we would be living in a "police state"... Oh, wait. My bad...

not all policemen are @!$%#s. they just can't think passed the polices that they are told to inforce.this lady needs to sue the crap out of everyone connected with this KIDNAPPING, which is what is ignorance amounts too! this country has become a police state, just like Germany was at one time. the main stream media doesn't know what the truth is anymore.the police departments are full of these communistic @!$%#s,trampling on peoples rights and it's time for us to stand up and show them that they WORK FOR US! the constitution planly states that we have a right to travel without being detained for no reason. this @!$%# isn't a police officer and the IGNORANT people who stood by and let this kidnapping go on,is in fact just as gulity as the dumbass that started everything! so SUE THE #%CK OUT OF THEM, SUE the city SUE EVERYONE THATWAS WORKING THAT NIGHT THAT COULD HAVE STOPPED THIS!WE ARE NOT A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY YET!

Just another thug with a gun and a badge.

James, as someone who ad to put up with such a bogus situation when I was falsely accused of stealing something from a renter IN MY OWN PROPERTY, I understand your anger, but try to organize and better express your thoughts. And I agree, she may need to sue the police involved, but this is apparently only one out-of-control guy, not some conspiracy.

it has nothing to do with common sense. the officer knew full well that he was willfully abusing a citizen. it has to do with the death of common decency.

kraussk you are wrong there is a conspiracy to make these United States a Police State We have no free rights any more there is an agenda on the table for a north american union just like the european union , they want to merge mexico the united states and canada. This police state is just the tip of the iceberg, but dont take my word for it Do the research and learn. Its scarier than you might think

If I am trespassing, breaking the law, I had better be able to prove my identity!

One poster asked why did not the other officers stand up for her?

Unfortunately, if they had stood up for her - by their peers, such officers probably would have been shunned and isolated - for bucking the system.

This young woman is only 21.

This incident can conceivably scar her - for the rest of her life.

Linda you wouldnt want to be a burgler by proffesion then

Common Sense, you would not want to be an English Teacher :))

There is no freedom. We are all just waiting for the fires and riots to start..they are on the way.

This is happening to many people across the country...but NYC? It's all mafia. Mafia cops, mafia Wall Street, mafia banks, mafia courts, mafia govt, even mafia military.

Trespassing is a crime... it was clearly posted. If you read the poorly written story, her date was released with a ticket after showing his ID. Can the girl read? Didn't say she was blind and she is a college student, so I would hope she can read. Point being posted signs in the park clearly state that if she was there after X time its TRESPASSING... which is a... that’s right, Crime. Now, do you think it would be okay for her to have said used her sister’s name, DOB, address etc. fail to appear or pay on the ticket and now her sister is sitting in jail because the cops just took the criminals word for it? That is right; she committed a crime, which makes her a criminal. as for his supposed comments, I pray no one ever gets pissed off at you for doing your job, calls your work, claims that you said mean things to them, calls a TV station, then contacts news paper, and smears your name all over. If there are not witnesses to the claims of what was said, then is it fair to take her side? If he did say something about her date, isn't that freedom of speech? She was accused of calling the officer names, but no one is calling her out on that... something to think about, just in case you find yourself in jail waiting for a hearing because someone claimed to be you and because of uneducated outrage like this, officers just take people's word for who they are when they do something wrong and are pissed. Think about your stance in this case... would you feel the same?

"This is happening to many people across the country...but NYC? It's all mafia. Mafia cops, mafia Wall Street, mafia banks, mafia courts, mafia govt, even mafia military."

Quite so...LMAO!

@DJS... You are "What if" ing.. your totally missing the whole point!!! she was not allowed to produce her ID after she was arrested where did idenity fraud come in??? YOU think about spending 36 hours in JAIL because you didnt have your ID on your person... you must be a cops wife not to see something wrong with that incident!!!

The police are and have been abusing their authority for a very long time.

All this officer had to do was call up the hotel to confirm who she was and the room she was staying at. Then another option would be to run her name, bd, and ss # and confirm it that was as well, or have them call a friend or family member. Arresting her was just wrong and stupid.

I hope this officer loses his job and she sues the pd for harassment, because that is exactly what this is, Harassment.

DJS is an Idiot. Walking in Riverside Park at night is a "crime"? Only a drooling Moron would make such an ASSertion. The first squad car on the scene did the right thing by letting the kids know the Park is closed at night, but the Defenders of All That Is Sacred in the second car (mean-spirited lowlifes like djs) had to make a Federal Case out of it. They're Disgraces to their Badges, and an embarrassment to all New Yorkers.

yeah she is a cop's wife. you can tell.she's so angry.wow.maybe a cop herself. so lemme get this straight-if you're in a park after hrs. but have id-you're NOT a criminal. but if no id-criminal? that pig could've waited or just given her a ticket. i dealt with a bit@h a$$ pig like this one recently. so full of himself. really, it seemed like he hated himself and needed to crush me to make himself feel better. typical bully. i called him asking for help,he in return, charged me with 3 different things. we get to court-he agrees to put everything on stet (which is bs,bcuz i did nothing wrong). he didn't try the case,but i was basically charged and put on probation anyway. f'er! he knows he was wrong. i'm sure there are others out there that have complained about him.serve & protect my a$$!

DAWN

slow down - if you know that with a misdemeanor offense like trespassing AN ID allows the officer to fill out a CITATION and let you go.

But with out an i.d the officer doesnt have to take a risk that your telling the truth and can book you into jail to have you formerly i.d.ed and then the officer is contacted with your id and you get released.

have id --- good

no id---bad

so hope you got it straight-- you are not required to carry an id unless you are driving a vehicle

but an officer is not OBLIGATED to take you at your word if you dont have one to present when a crime has been commited.

A misdemeanor crime is one where the officer is the witness and he doesnt have to take you at your word. Meaning most jails dont intake misdemeanor suspects how have an valid i.d. or d.l

Denise, again I see you have copy and pasted. Just out of five pages I have read this is the fourth time I have seen the exact same thing. Boring.

Bill & Christian,

I take it by your posts that you were both there and "know for a fact" that she gave the officer(s) here name? If you were then your post is valid. If not it is your opinion based on the fact that you'd like to be able to do what you want to do and when you want to do it including breaking the law. Good luck with that and let me know how it turns out for you will you? Speed is a ticket-able offense as is trespass. Yet if you fail to provide verifiable information to the officer who stops you for speeding so they can verify you have a valid driver license, you will in most cases go to jail and post bail. I speak from 26.5 years of experience as a law enforcement officer in 3 different states and not from what "I think is true" or "what I want to believe."

Now the facts are; (a) this young lady failed to properly identify herself and was arrested. (b) She refused to properly identify herself and was arrested. (c) She did something that the writer of this article left out or was not aware of and was arrested. (d) The officer(s) involved abused their authority and the I.A. will prove this.

At this point anything else is pure speculation.....Period....

Denise--yes, the young woman is "accused of calling the police officer names." When a police officer knows darned well that he is doing something he should not, then he will try to manufacture something--they will beat someone yelling "stop resisting" so that the witnesses can be asked "did the officer tell the person to stop resisting" and the witnesses will have to answer "yes."

In this case, any witness would be asked "was the person told not to call the officer X." The witness would have to answer "yes," and would be cut off before the witness could say "but I didn't hear her use the word." Even if the witness said that, the point would be ignored if people (like you) want to assume that the word was used.

There are many fine officers--sadly, there are quite a few others who have figured out what they need to do to get "plausible deniability" in case of a complaint or how to arrest people simply because they want to arrest a certain type of person. Some like to lock up young women because they get off on seeing them locked up.

People scream about "unions" and "tenure," but how often do they scream about police officers' unions protecting officers until the bitter end (even when the officers are obviously guilty) and even when officers have the equivalent of tenure (though it is called "seniority"). If all the unions are to be dismantled and all the teachers are to be denied tenure--can we start making police officers responsible for such complaints and more easily fireable?

If police officers are made more easily fireable for such abuse of power, I think a lot of the rest of us would give up a lot to see that happen. There are enough fine officers left to do an excellent job of protecting us once the bad apples are gone.

All cops are bullies and tattletales. They didn't get into law enforcement for noble reasons, they want to take out their problems on someone else. Yes, there are a few good ones but most are azzholes. Whats worse is someone who couldn't be a cop like a Seminole County Florida Building Inspector.

There is no law in NYC that mandates that a person MUST carry ID. What this creep did does not represent the judgment of the majority of officers.

that's going some when they hold a student like that , and we have the obama white house fighting for illegals .

You lefties are unfreakingbelievable. All you're hearing is her side of the story and you have no idea if it's actually true. If you're in a park that is supposed to be closed at certain hours, you take your chances that you'll have to deal with the law. I'm quite certain that this innocent victim's claim that she was respectful when dealing with the police officer is less than true.

Riverside Park is known for its Drug Activity, illicit sexual activity and various other Criminal activity after the sun goes down. While it's true the girl should not have been jailed for 2 day, the officers may have saver her life. Her "so-called friend" could have gotten her I.D's and taken them to the Police. Again, she should not have been jailed for 2 days but it's better than her being found as an "Unidentified Female Body" in the park.

@Denise

Well, if she is such a criminal that needs to be held for 36 hours and transferred from precinct to precinct, why don't you volunteer all your tax dollars to pay for it? The rest of us can see our taxes go toward something that could actually benefit us as citizens, or better yet, we can keep that portion in our pocket.

That whole ordeal was ridiculous! If you read the article, policy would have allowed that officer to wait while one of her friends got her ID. The 15 minutes it would have taken to wait for that would have saved the city of New York could have saved on processing and court costs.

Yep, common sense isn't so common.

It's part of the new system that's trying to take over this country.

It's called FASCISM.....

It's starting to rear it's ugly head.Remember this word.

Look it up and fear it.

Stop it in it's tracks.

When you read this,there will be no question as to why this girl was detained.

Looks like a very good reason to have a digital audio recorder on your person all the time....... a way to protect yourself from "the law".

If the event went down as this young woman describes, then this police officer is a THUG, and needs to be disciplined. If he has a record of such senseless arrests, maybe he needs to go back to police school, or possibly taken off the streets. In addition, I hope this is an experience that shows other more 'responsible' peace officers to question such a ridiculous arrest before it brings embarrassment and shame to good officers who are trying to do a decent job.

You don't get what really was happening. This is called a shakedown. The bad cop wanted a payoff to let her go. Since she did not offer $100, she was taken in. the reason that nobody said anything is because it is so common an occurence.

I am aware of this exact type of thing happening at least 2 other times - all in NYC. Bloomberg has a very corrupt police force in NYC - and it probably has always been corrupt. The only other place this corrupt is Louisana. Try driving down I-10 with out of state plates and you will find out.

Just remember - you have to always carry a $100 bill on you in NYC - or you run the risk of this happening.

From the treatment of my daughter, who looks Spanish, and some of her black friends from college, we have a serious profiling problem peppered with serious racism within our public safety officials. Until my blonde haired blue eyes husband takes control of the situation the police treat her badly just because of her looks and the company she keeps. Go ahead and deny it, much like Cain does, but all the data show I am 100% correct about this. What mandatory programs do the police have in place to correct this blatant racism? And this girl looks white to me. I guess in New York, if the police are in a bad mood, they'll arrest anyone regardless of race. Your tax dollars in good use New Yorkers! Why would any tourist want to visit New York?

Whether it was wrong or not, she did this to herself. She was in a closed city park after hours with no ID and she expects nothing to happen. Not very bright. If you are not smart enough to stay out of areas that are closed after hours what do you think is going to happen. She should have been arrested for trespassing as the very least.

Black Knight

There is no law requiring a person to show ID in NY state.

Why was her friend allowed to leave unrestricted? He was "trespassing" on PUBLIC property as well. And please, try real hard to remember there is no law requiring you to have papers on you.

Are you a cop?

What's with the whole "brotherhood" gang mentality?

The police regularly do this sort of stuff and you never hear a thing about it. This is the result of YOU. Because it is you that continue to cede power to jack booted thugs that then go around trampling on people's rights. This is the result of a police state.

I remember Ronald Reagan denouncing the Soviet Union for harassing its citizens over their ID papers. Yet, today in America you have the same thing and worst when you have to be felt up at the airport to get on a plane.

The problem isn't just special interest buying off politicians, part of the blame is with YOU for constantly voting thugs into office and constantly looking the other way while they violate the rights of whatever group is out of favor. Now, maybe you see just how screwed up a socialist police state is.

What kills me is my brother in law is a cop in Brooklyn, he is always in a great mood and tells about how much he loves his job. I couldn't tell you a single negitive thing he has done or said since the day i first met him 11 years ago. The only time he hated his job was after 9/11 and spending 16 hours a day at ground zero and seeing the things he had to see...BUT he never lost faith in his work, his fellow officers and doing what he knew was right. This handful of badge carrying jerks are giving the heart of Great Men and Women a bad name and should be punished to the Max of what the law will allow.

Rw...thank your brother-in-law for me.

Everyone...could it be that just maybe because of certain terrorists that have made life on this planet a bit dangerous through the years...could it be a certain date in NYC's history about 10 years ago...could it be that certain haters of their own country have proclaimed an intent to kill any of us just because of where we live...could it be for any or all of those reasons that showing your id is a small price to pay to make sure none of these radicals get their wish?

Try and use your head.

If I am getting on a plane and you get pissed because you think it's against your "rights" to be asked for proof of some kind, I don't want you on the same plane I am on. Do you feel insulted? Too bad. I would feel a lot worse if you turned out to be one of those radicals and you killed me. I don't feel insulted if they ask me. I have nothing to hide. I don't feel my rights are violated. I feel my safety is being looked after.

This may come as a surprise to you, but I am just as important as you are. So stand in line and get over yourself.

The cop should have allowed her friend to get her id...end of story. Instead, he likes to be a bully...kinda thinks he's better than her because he has that authority. Sort of like the one in the airport that stands there and bitches like he or she is the only one that has something to do and isn't this a violation of blah blah blah...

Of course, anyone that has a dislike or, like some, it seems, hatred for the cops automatically thinks all cops are like that instead of using the brains they have developed over the years and actually realizes what's what.

To those who think that they don't have to identify themselves to a law enforcement officer in "any state" in the United States you should read this or you can remain ignorant of the law, your choice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_Identify_statutes. The U.S. Supreme Court says that if you are detained by law enforcement for a suspected crime (trespassing is a crime) then a person must identify themselves to the officer(s) detaining them. If they can not or refuse to do so then the officer has the right to detain for a reasonable period of time to identify the person arrested/detained in the "Terry Stop." Also that same person if the refuse to identify themselves may be in violation of the crime of delaying a police officer or obstruction of justice. The park was apparently closed and the officer(s) were enforcing the law....PERIOD....

Additionally to the person who said that in New York you do not have to identify yourself to the police, PLEASE READ THE ABOVE! New York is one of 13 states that as of February 2011 YOU DO HAVE TO PROVIDE IDENTIFYING INFORMATION UPON DEMAND FROM A POLICE OFFICER. Identifying information includes but is not limited to; Name, date of birth and address. Much like in Nevada (or most other states) a person issued a citation does not have to sign said citation, it is their right to refuse to sign it. However since their signature is simply a promise to appear in court or pay the fine by a certain date, if they refuse to sign the citation they are leaving the officer with no choice but to arrest them, take them to jail and after booking they may post bail.

Now! Having said all this; I was not there, was anyone who posted here, there at the time this young lady was arrested? If not than all we have is he said she said and her friends heard this and that. In other words NO FACTS. The officer, much like the suspect/young lady in this case is innocent UNTIL PROVED guilty, not Guilty until they can prove themselves innocent just because some said it was so. While it "WOULD APPEAR" that the officer(s) used poor judgement in this case, we do not know what department policy is nor what other circumstances may have existed that caused the officer(s) to make the decision to arrest and detain.

If anyone has an true indisputable facts please post them, if not all our opinions and armchair quarterbacking that the officer(s) should have done this and not done that and that the suspect should have done this and not that is pure speculation. All we know is what someone was told happened by one party involved who has everything to gain by lying and nothing to gain by telling the truth, if the truth shows that the officer had just cause to do what they did.

In New York the city that never sleeps, who knows a park closes at 1:00AM. Bogus excuse to harass someone. The cop thought he was dealing with punks. Instead she is a photo-artist looking at the river because that is what she does. She enjoys looking at objects under different light.Unfortunately for him, if her story is true, he is toast. She appears to be a sweet young lady. I am curious what the school and her friends were doing to get her out. He showed his ID and ran off never to be seen? This link on found on the web illustrating some of her photo work.

http://www.behance.net/srzucker

And all you have to do to identify yourself is tell them your name... Papers please, comrade.

As I've posted several times before:

THE LAW: Policemen so cherish their status as "Peacekeepers" and "protectors of the public" that they have occasionally been known to beat to death those CITIZENS or groups who question that status.

The law technically doesn't require you to carry an ID. Otherwise, we would be living in a "police state"... Oh, wait. My bad...

Ernie-201266 having to provide identifying information and requiring to show proof of identification are two different issues. All she is required to do is answer the officers questions as they pertain to her identity. No state or Federal law requires to show proof (papers); officers depend on this ignorance. Detain if they suspect she was untruthful is one thing getting the NYPD shuffle is harassment. Her friends probably could not locate her to provide the Identification and get her released she was being shuffled between precinct's. Like another poster stated we were not there and do not have all the facts. Hopefully Internal Affairs will sort it out.

@Ernie-201266 Well... Let's start with the facts. FIrst of all, it says you have to identify yourself. It then goes on to say that information can include name birthdate and address. It does NOT say you have to show any form of identification. You can give them the information and they are required to ascertain it's authenticity. That would be the part about detaining them for a REASONABLE period. The part about refusing to identify one's self refers to refusing to give your name and other the law information to an officer. It does NOT refer to producing an ID of any kind. Second, The officers were enforcing the law...PERIOD! Give me a break. It's a it's a misdemeanor ticket offense. HE was not enforcing the "law" he was enforcing his will...PERIOD!! Last but not least, don't put YOUR opinions out here and then lecture everyone else not to post theirs.

This is outrageous! Can anyone say this doesn't sound like Nazi Germany? papers or your freedom depending on the cops mood??

Police and their unions are becoming know to cost the tax payers many times what they are told.

Who the hell do these police think they are with this garbage coming out of New York.

People don't realize just how much. Ask yourself when they say they need more taxes if all the Multi-Million dollar settlements may be why.

Ask yourself that question next time your property values suddenly rise.

The same garbage is going on here in Seattle too. Million and Millions and Millions gone.

When human filth gets a badge everyone pays.

Your family member could be next.

This whole incident is stupid....and then the anti-immigration people in Alabama and Arizona want police to arrest every one who does not carry an I.D. in their state. Of course, what they do not admit openly is that their law seeks to apply racial profiling in the request for I.D.

They need a far better personality profiling screen before allowing anyone into the academy. This jerk should have never worn a badge. They need to fire him before he does it again, and allow the young woman to prosecute.

There's no place in law enforcement for abusive types!

AnaBanana-1782128, it's also a fact that "minorities" commit far more crimes than caucasions. Go ahead and look that up. What the hell do you expect?

At least suspended without pay. This is ridiculous and completely uncalled for.

Evidently you never tried firing a union worker. That's the problem with unions now, they protect the ones that should be dismissed and reflect badly on all the other members.

So you walk with her back to her hotel and she gets her ID. You save time (less than booking), money and your department's reputation. All lost now.

Sure. That is just logical, from what I said.

You either are dense, or didn't read the article. She was with someone who did have ID. She was only two blocks from her hotel. On second thought, you are dense...just that simple.

USA is great- In general, you don't have to provide proof of your identity upon demand in New York State. Maybe you would like to make that a law. I believe they have in other states. But it is not against the law to walk around in New York without your identification.

If the officer had some other reason to arrest the woman and wanted to obtain identification as part of the arrest that is one thing. He could have, for example, suspected her of dealing drugs or accused her of solicitation and held her for those actions.

But you can't be arrested merely for not providing your "papers" in NYC in 2011. The woman's point about other officers letting him get away with it are very well taken. Where was his supervising officer?

usa is great, you really are an idiot. #1),why do they need her ID in the first place? If for some reason they suspected her of doing something illegal other than not knowing a park is closed they could have confirmed it with the hotel. #2) BTW, in my town you can call the police, tell them you're drunk and need a ride home and they will be happy to give you a ride, and they won't ask for ID! They work for the people who pay they're wages, what a concept.

A police officer cannot just RANDOMLY DEMAND TO SEE YOUR PAPERS. They're not jack-booted Nazi's, and this isn't a police state. You're not required to carry Identification Papers. SHe was tresspassing,m so they had a legal right to ask to see her ID, though not an ethical one. She had every right to ask to get a friend to bring them to her. Period. Shake-down sounds about right. And yes, the cop should be fired and brought up on charges along with every other cop the world over who thinks his gun and his badge allows him to treat his fellow human beings like sh*t.

Out of a cannon. Into the Sun.

USA is great - you are as wrong as wrong can be. The officer can ask you for your name, but you are not required to provide ID. You cannot give false information, however you don't even have to provide ANY information. It is referred to as the right to remain silent by some........Check it out, it is written on some old piece of paper somewhere............

If you do provide info, it just must be the truth.

Your SS# wasn't supposed to be used for ID either, when the Democrats created it.

Again, she was merely "detained" not arrested. That's what they say it is. In my eyes any cop who handcuffs and takes a person to the station against their will, is called an arrest!

Rigley...if they put you in jail, you are arrested.

Although yes there are bad cops, there are also good ones. Don't forget the ones who go out and catch murderers and risk their lives in stand-offs. Don't assume ALL cops are bad.

Sherry - Why are the bad ones still on the force after they have proven to be bad?

AJ Trespass is to deliberately interfere with the rights of the property owner. She and her companion agreed to leave immediately upon being informed that the park was closed. If the police officer was actually detaining her for the trespass, why did he let her companion leave the scene?

In the days before air conditioning, New Yorkers used to sleep in Riverside Park on hot nights. I don't believe even today anyone would stop you from crossing through the park or taking an early morning jog. It might not be advisable, but it is certainly not illegal.

There are no signs posted that I know of saying the park itself closes to traffic. The tennis courts and basketball courts close. There are hours posted for the skate park and Grant's tomb but not for the park or the bike paths.

He absolutely did not detain her for trespassing.

AJ-10187929, did you read the article? The first officer on the scene was going to right them a ticket and send them on their way. But NO, the second thug with a badge showed up and demanded her ID. Then they proceeded to treat her like a felon. The douche bag wouldn't even let her friend go get her ID which was a mere 2 blocks away. It would have taken ten minutes for him to get it and return, instead, she spent 36 hours in jail, and apparently, in two separateprecincts. That right there is some great police work, this idiot should be promoted to lead investigator, and then on to the Mayor. But I guess people like you and the USA is great, are all for a total Police State ala 1930's-1940's Germany. This idiot so called police officer should be fired, even though as some one else said, he is union, so he will most likely get a raise instead. We American citizens better wake up soon, because we are quickly becoming the exact thing that are Grand Fathers fought so hard against in WW11. You know that old saying, "This aint your father's music", well, This aint your Grand Fathers Country any more either.

The cops in our small town will give people rides home from the bars too. They're our neighbors here. We all take care of each other. Nice to live in a small town. I've lived in NYC, Chicago, and Detroit. Cops are crooked in the big cities, it must come with the territory.

Welcome to Nazi States of America. Arressted for being in a park? Well they should have sent her Gitmo, strip searched, then waterboarded her to find out where her F-in ID is.

Miss... your papers....your papers please. (using my best SS accent)

OOOO No Can Do..... He is a UNION MEMBER.....

The cop needs to be fired. The other ones who knew what was going on and did nothing are equally guilty.

AJ-her friend was also breaking the law but he was allowed to leave. If it's not illegal to not have your id on you in New York, then why weren't they both detained? According to you, she was breaking the law, but according to the article so was the MALE friend she was with who was allowed to leave. Sounds like a cop with women issues. I'm just sayin'......

usa...I was pulled over and didnt have my insurance card...I just got the new one and it was still at home...the cop followed me and allowed me to go inside and show it to him. Then he said thank you (after suggesting I put it in my wallet) and left.

Why is walking her or even taking her to the hotel such a terrible thing to do for you?

You seem tense, hon...

if he let the male go, then he should have taken her back to the hotel to fetch her I.D.. poor example of a policeman.. probable cause, a real officer knows that if she gives her name without proof of verification but her companion provided his then he or she can assume if the two do not meet any description of someone the police are searching for, then its just a simple case of "i forgot my I.D". the officer is a bully, using his badge on a young pretty girl to feel manly..if anything he should have made sure she made it back to her hotel safely and told her to make sure she carries her I.D at all times when out in the big scary city..this officer should be fired..

Remember the 60's? This kind of thing is why they called them "PIGS."

wake up2840 #4.13 - Spot on!

Buffaloes Roam #4.4 - You mean like the good old days? That makes way too much sense...

The sad thing is that most cops are too busy doing their jobs and too few are doing their duty...

As I've posted several times before:

THE LAW: Policemen so cherish their status as "Peacekeepers" and "protectors of the public" that they have occasionally been known to beat to death those CITIZENS or groups who question that status.

The law technically doesn't require you to carry an ID. Otherwise, we would be living in a "police state"... Oh, wait. My bad...

Trespassing is a crime... it was clearly posted. If you read the poorly written story, her date was released with a ticket after showing his ID. Can the girl read? Didn't say she was blind and she is a college student, so I would hope she can read. Point being posted signs in the park clearly state that if she was there after X time its TRESPASSING... which is a... that’s right, Crime. Now, do you think it would be okay for her to have said used her sister’s name, DOB, address etc. fail to appear or pay on the ticket and now her sister is sitting in jail because the cops just took the criminals word for it? That is right; she committed a crime, which makes her a criminal. as for his supposed comments, I pray no one ever gets pissed off at you for doing your job, calls your work, claims that you said mean things to them, calls a TV station, then contacts news paper, and smears your name all over. If there are not witnesses to the claims of what was said, then is it fair to take her side? If he did say something about her date, isn't that freedom of speech? She was accused of calling the officer names, but no one is calling her out on that... something to think about, just in case you find yourself in jail waiting for a hearing because someone claimed to be you and because of uneducated outrage like this, officers just take people's word for who they are when they do something wrong and are pissed. Think about your stance in this case... would you feel the same?

Denise,

yes trespassing is a crime and no dispute that giving them a ticket and paying a fine is justified, but the officer could have let her get her I.D and instead wasted hours of time and court time by being a hard @ss.. as far as i read she was not claiming an assumed name and her friend was given a ticket and provided I.D and was released...in the end her case was thrown out, so shes not even paying a fine, all for nothing...

Denise, wow! I bet you can produce a diamond from a lump of coal in a week! That's two copy and pastes of the exact same thing ON ONE PAGE! This is the seventh time I have seen that same thing. My vinyls don't dont repeat as much as you do.

Bluepanther20, exactly the same thing happened to me 20 years ago -- I was pulled over for a traffic violation at night (forgot to turn on headlights after leaving a brightly lit gas station), couldn't produce my insurance card (it was at home on my desk), but I got arrested, handcuffed, and booked on charges of uninsured driving and RECKLESS driving (a far more serious charge than was warranted). My friend drove to the station with my bail and picked up my insurance card on the way, but since the arresting officer had gone off shift they couldn't process it. I went to court eight months later and all charges were dismissed. The prosecutor told my lawyer the cop was "having a bad night." The whole debacle cost me about $1200 and 4 hours in jail.

I am thankful for the honorable police officers that serve us, but there are plenty of thugs too -- kinda goes with the job, I think...

AJ and USA-

You'll get the Rodney Dangerfield treatment every time you wade onto a leftist seed-No respect! For what it's worth (0), I've got your back.

It's always "one step closer to the police state, one step closer to the police state." I've been hearing it for 40 years.

So where's this police state?

Chris, at least you won't be surprised when it happens!

Chris from Yucaipa you say you have been " hearing" for 40 years about the police state...well if you cant hear it now mister you must be deaf or dumb or both..Open your eyes and ears man...The Police have become the most well armed well maintained "Brotherhood" in the country and "Brotherhood" is just another word for "Gang" and we all pay for their salaries. If you cant see or hear the writing on the wall and the music so loud it hurts..than you sir are just not paying attention.." To abuse and disrespect " should be the motto for most if not all police officers in this country ..they think they are better than the average "perp" as we the average citizens of This country are called by them. Wake up man and start listening because there are millions of us that can hear and see the Police State..it's right at yours and my front door.

I remember being in West Germany 30 years ago and seeing roadblocks looking for DUI and thinking, "Well, we'll never have anything like that at home." And I also remember being in East Germany 29 years ago and seeing the street surveillance cameras just keeping a Big Brother eye on everyone and everything, and thinking, "Well, we'll never have anything like that at home."

boy did you think wrong.

If this BS is common, then it's a police state already. One in which cops pester innocent people and make litte or no attempt to catch actual criminals.

Pretty soon that "big brother" will be inserted in your arm. I am waiting for the day when they implant a device in all of us.

It's always "one step closer to the police state, one step closer to the police state." I've been hearing it for 40 years.

So where's this police state?

We're in it already As they pass more and more laws to take away little freedoms each time, do you think those freedoms will ever be returned to you. The answer is NO. Living in a police state will work well with living as peasants which is what they eventually want for us.

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I remember being in West Germany 30 years ago and seeing roadblocks looking for DUI and thinking, "Well, we'll never have anything like that at home."

Yea because catching drunk drivers is a bad thing right? As for Rik, I won't even reply to your comment since it was nothing more than a childish anti cop rant.

We're in it already As they pass more and more laws to take away little freedoms each time, do you think those freedoms will ever be returned to you.

I can think of a number of laws off the top of my head that were repealed and those freedoms given back. The Jim Crow laws, the 18th Amendment, gay rights, DADT, the list goes on.

Please, instead of some vague "our rights are being taken away" chant, list those rights that have been taken from you, and tell me why it's so bad that they are gone. We get an article here about how a cop has been a d*ckhead to someone and you guys jump on the wagon and start bashing them all. It's ridiculous and more than a little childish.

can think of a number of laws off the top of my head that were repealed and those freedoms given back. The Jim Crow laws, the 18th Amendment, gay rights, DADT, the list goes on.

and for each one of those, a thousand or more laws are passed encroaching upon every aspect of our public and private lives.

Again, name me the laws and why they are bad. I'm fed up with generalities, I want specifics. Not anecdotal statements. Show me a law that's strictly designed to make someone miserable, that doesn't have a legit reason behind it or that isn't designed to combat a problem. Since there are 'thousands' of them according to you, it should be really easy, no?

OK Chris: how about its illegal to sit on a milk crate?

A couple of years ago my wife took a nursing contract in Mesa AZ, our residence is in Mi and that is what license plate we have. We were driving through town around 1am when we were pulled over. He proceeded to tell us that the light for our license plate was out. I thought nothing of it and told him I was unaware of the issue but would fix it the next day. That next day we drove to an auto parts store to get a new bulb. I got out to check the bulb size before going in an d to my surprise there was not one light but two and both were working. Now it was summer and that area has a lot of elderly come from out of state to spend winters there. Many leave their vehicles. I can only guess that he was concerned the vehicle was one of those left behind and we had stolen it. I wish he would have said that because I would have felt like he was doing a good job of protecting and serving. Instead he lied and created mistrust. All it takes is one bad officer to tarnish the many who are decent.

OK Chris: how about its illegal to sit on a milk crate?

The fine was for illegal use of a milk crate if you're referring to the article about the guy outside the hair salon. . Stupid law you say? Try telling that to the dairies who routinely spend over $1 million a year each replacing those stolen milk crates. Information easily Googled. As with shopping carts belonging to the stores, a dairy farm owns them crates and both have to pay their own money to replace them when they are taken.

Want to sit on something plastic? Buy a chair.

I'm fed up with generalities, I want specifics. Not anecdotal statements.

so? I'm fed up with reich-wingers saying how wonderful it is that the government can crawl up our arse with a microscope and it's just fine for them to lie in order to do it.

yeah every law has some "great idea" or something that is being "protected" or someone is "outraged that they let 'them' get away with that" behind it, but the effect is to crush the American people and their sp.irit

Way to avoid the question there dan. What happened? Couldn't find any examples so instead you'll just rant some more?

Chris- "Where is this police state?"

It's the 51st State of Paranoia-founded by the left. Don't worry, we have medication for them.

hey chris, I can't help it that you are blind, deaf and dumb (voiceless). go right ahead and live in your government-controlled, corporate-owned fantasy world.

dan dan dan, you're beginning to look like a child whose fingers are in his ears, eyes closed tightly and stomping his feet, all the while screaming "I don't have to prove anything, it's true cause I say it's true!"

Prove my analogy wrong. Please.

Chris-

Your analogy fits perfectly.

chris, ; "patriot act" and "wetlands protection" as two "specific examples", but it is both right-wing and left-wing laws and regulationsthat are reducing the rights of ordinary citizens and giving control to the government, can you in any way prove me wrong? are you really saying that being detained for 36 hours for walking across a "closed" park and not having your "papers" ready for inspection is acceptable?

funny, but the "papers please" was always the line of the Russian communist or Nazi Police, a not so subtle reminder that we were a fre country that didn't put up with such abuse by authority.

chris and bear, when the saying "all that it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" was coined, clearly it was referring to the likes of you.

you are precisley the type of people that stood aside and let the nazis take control of germany.

Why is there no follow up to this story? Other than the initial NYTimes.com story, I haven't seen any other news organizations report on this. This NY cop could stakeout quiet streets and swoop down on jaywalkers. He could fill the jails with joggers. I guess that is his goal? A policeman should do everything he can to mitigate the circumstance. Instead of producing a revenue, this alleged jarhead cost the city money. If he was so hell bent to write a ticket, 10 minutes of his time would have solved it. Instead he spent more time writing a report and booking.

PATRICK

are your for real, you sound like this is some personal HOW CAN WE UPSET patrick today.

How silly your comment reads, not because you don't have a right to your opinion but because this is our system of justice. The cops have discretion in misdemeanor crimes, and in this case, he had the legal authority to do his job.

You have no idea what other factors made this officer decide to not give her discretion. Meaning you might have to stop the whining that the POLICE have an agenda type thinking(revenue crap).

And maybe think about THE PUBLIC'S expectation that the officer will do his job and not WORRY who it is he is dealing with. Meaning you have no idea how many neighbors complain about, loud or annoying late night goof balls in the park, you have no idea that she was a respectful angel, no have no idea what this OFFICER DOES LET GO.

As other REASONABLE minded people stated, this officer may not like people in closed areas, because HIS EXPERIENCE in dealing with citizens who have had negative issues, fights, assaults, attacks, lost items and so on stem from people in places they legal shouldn't be.

If i seem a bit annoyed, its because i am sick the THIS POOR GIRL CRAP, its not about her, ITS ABOUT ALL THE OTHER NYC citizens that dont go to the park because its closed and appreciate the fact the officer was there, and if she is dumb enough to think being out on the streets in nyc makes sense, well feel free to pull this NY TIMES storys on the muggings, assaults, attacks and such where someone cant be id'ed because ...............................................SAY it with me..............................they didnt ...........have there........................i.d.

UGH

p.s.- this horrible job the cop did is standard any where else in county for a misdemeanor issued citation where someone cant be identified on the street when the officer would RATHER write a ticket. And since arrests are public information WE THE PUBLIC have a right to know who is in custody!!

I see what you are saying. That's why I mentioned the no follow-up to the story. As it reads it does make the cop look real bad. So when I said "this cop", I was talking about the cop in the story. I'm leaning that there is more to the story. I said alleged jarhead because that is how the story portrays him. My revenue point was not to say the police have a revenue agenda but rather point out if the other person went to get the ID then the tax payers save money. That is why I have my doubts about this story. Why didn't the guy show up with ID? I'm thinking this story was embellished and that is why no major news organization has followed up on it.

PATRICK

I gotcha, and please dont take my COPS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT away from my stance i know that there's more to this story and the fact that most jails dont even book in misdemeanors anymore when an id is present unless its a crime of like theft because they use the finger prints to match other crimes.

Yes it bothers me that the guy couldnt seem to find anyone from the trip that knew how to get into her room or could locate her stuff to retrieve her id.

My OWN personal thought is that those two were warned by the first cop and got attitude with the 2nd cop and either both were drinking or her and the dude didnt like how she was acting and said F- it lol lol

but of course thats my own opinion.

And i am not so sure i believe the judges deal, i believe he released her but i am not so sure that he didn't have her a court docketed for a future date and released on her own recognizance.

But thats the great part of one sided stories, i however do stick to my thoughts on the how many people dont get that this is basic misdemeanor action on the part of ANY COP that is going to write a citation. This is not some NYPD tactics

A citation is written in lew of going to jail for identification purposes.

"Puut down your weapons and prepare to be judged!" Has to be the greatest line ever.

No, what about "I am da Lawwww!!"??

and...here come da judge...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hIcKkKID8k

"Go ahead, make my day."

crackin me up!

Your name says it all.

If she was a undocumented alien, she would have received free medical care, food stamps , a green card and encouraged to have an anchor baby ASAP.

You are both sad cases, 1742 and Palin Supporter. They are asking for ID so they can send people back to Mexico. No one gets food stamps for being a illegal, and if they had a green card they would not be illegal. You guys just like to hear yourself talk.

Here in Maryland they do get food stamps if they have kids with them which I would venture to say is around 80% of them . They also get housing assistance and all other "free" perks again because they have kids with them and the illegals know this and therefore the illegals use this as their loop hole.

Again, they don't get the stamps because they are illegal. Which is what they said.

LMAO (They are asking for ID so they can send people back to Mexico) LOL

They ask for ID to see WHO you are, maybe WHERE you're from, whether or not you're a criminal, whether you have any warrants against you, etc.

Buffaloes Roam, in the state of Washington the illegals can get all the benefits of the Social and Health services. It is pretty simple because they don't have to provide documentation of citizenship for benefits. If you doubt me, ask yourself why the Justice Dept. is fighting the newer immigration laws in states like Nevada and SC?

Damn...do you even read? The quote was "if she was illegal" she would have received food stamps. I didn't say an illegal could not get them, I said they didn't get them because they were illegal. He was saying that we look around, ask if you are illegal, and then give you benefits for being illegal. Just crap. Some few have gotten benefits. They risk being deported. As a group illegals pay sales tax, licensing, many time social security. Most are petrified they will be caught.

Buffaloes, do you even read? The original post was sarcasm, nothing more. Your comments were easily misinterpreted as well. My apologies though, I'm not quite as superior as you.

People are not illegal, they are simply undocumented.

This girl was neither.

@Buffaloes Roam--it's not just a few illegals who have gotten benefits. In WA state, it has become a full-time industry. My state is one of the few left where illegals don't have to provide any papers at all to get a driver's license. Not to mention, they can take the written portion of their driver's test in their native language! Aren't all road signs written in English?! Once they have that driver's license, they are AUTOMATICALLY eligible for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, the whole platter of benefits available from DSHS. Couple that with Washington's highest-in-the-country minimum wage, and it's no wonder that illegals from all over the country are flocking to the great NW.

Buffalo, You've been roaming too long. Fact is, if you are an ILLEGAL you can get every FREE Perk given by the US. We as American Born, can't get Help for just a Short Period of Time,FACT. I am a Disabled Vet from Nam era and believe Me, WE DON'T get Anything in the Form of HELP, like the No Hable Engalish Do. So get to Reading about REALITY, and come in from the Range and see what Really goes on in AMERICA.

If you really are a disabled VET then you do in fact get benies from the fed govt.. you got military pay compliments of the Federal government and taxpayer, you got health insurance (and most likely still do) and chances are you get disability. I can't go to a VA hospital and get treated, can you?

Have you ever been to a VA hospial, Sally? Ever tried petitioning the VA Admin for medical care? Been denied care for something that happened to you years ago while on active duty? The "care" we provide for our veterans is pathetic. The conditions in most VA hospitals are atrocious. I have more faith in a Boy Scout with his First Aid merit badge doing brain surgery in a garbage dump with a rusty ice pick during an earthquake than I do with the quacks the government hires to heal our bravest men and women.

Or questioned Palin. Remember, law enforcement cannot just pull you over because you "look" a certain way. (Don't like Palin herself, but totally agree with what you said.

Buffaloes Roam, if you had any respect, you'd stop posting.

Which one did they violate?

I guess the same rights the illegals think they have here in this country! lol

"Which one did they violate?"

Oh I don't know, the 5th maybe? Due process?

Does the Due Process state it must occur within a certain timeframe???? No it does not.

"When a government harms a person without following the exact course of the law, this constitutes a due-process violation, which offends against the rule of law."

Oh I don't know, the 5th maybe? Due process?

Please read the story. She was trespassing that is against the law. The officer did not make up the law just enforced it. And she did not have ID they have every right to detain her until she can prove who she is. That too is the law. Do you just let everyone go or just this poor innocent girl?

Nick the officer was being an ass about it. Her friend had ID and they let him go. So apparently they were not pursuing the tresspaassing thing since they let her friend go. They were just harassing her.

Officers should be expected to use judgement when making decisions, exactly like the decision to arrest this girl. If he had suspicions that she was 'up to no good' then by all means allow her friend to go get her license to prove her identity, question her, whatever, but if she had previously declared that she was unaware of the law and would leave the park peacefully he should have just let her go...

Nick, I agree they had the right to detain her until her identity could be established. HOWEVER, according to their department policy, they could allow her to have a friend bring her ID to her to satisfy that requirement - which they did not allow her to do. Instead they shuffled her around for 36 hours, when this could have been resolved in less than one. I don't see the problem as requesting ID. Right or wrong, whether she realized it at the time or not, she was indeed breaking the law and requesting ID is not out of line. The problem is that instead of letting someone run back and get hers, they kept her locked up 36 hours and wasted her time and countless department resources unnecessarily.

The fact is, the cops can put ANYONE in jail for up to 48 hours without charging them with ANYTHING. This has been the law for longer than I can remember. The Supreme Court has upheld it every time it has been challenged. Furthermore, having been in and out of jail several times, I have first hand knowledge of how long the losers that work at the jails will take to proccess your paperwork, especially when it comes time to release you, usually at least 4-12 hours. Once they have you in the system, they are extremely reluctant to let you go. Why? They get money from the state for every day they keep you under their roof. It is against their financial interests to let you go, and they do whatever they can to maintain solidarity with their frontline cop brethren, i.e., "...if they brought you in here in the first place, you must be guilty of something."

If you're "trespassing", why does simply showing an ID let you off the hook? This wasn't "trespass." It was intimidation. PIGS.

Where I live, we just had a newsflash about a man arrested for his second murder. His first one netted him 20 years. He served 3 and was released, to kill again. But, we're OK with PIGS arresting and jailing people for "trespass" in a public park because they have no ID? Sick, sorry, and don't ask the taxpayers for raises if this is how you're going to conduct "law enforcement."

Amen to that!

she should have told the officer her I.D was at the hotel with her illegal hand gun and cocaine, they would have given her a ride back to her room then..lmao..sometimes you fight bad with bad..then she can say she lied to get her I.D..no gun no drugs no problem...

or she could just join your ranks --never whine, never complain,...oh wait....

Monetary payments are the only language people understand, and yes, she more than deserves compensation for being deprived of her rights as an American.

Not even:

What right was violated????

Did you escape from bingo?

@usa is great- they violated her right to liberty...and if seeing the Hudson was making her happy, her right to pursue happiness was violated as well.

I honestly think what happened to this girl was overkill and shouldn't have happened, but the cop did not violate her right to liberty. She was trespassing in a park after hours. And if seeing the Hudson makes her happy, she can see it in her own town. The article said it runs near her home too. Or she could come back to the park when it is open.

If killing people made me happy (which it doesn't, but this is a hypothetical), and the cops stopped me, would they be violating my right to pursue happiness? Of course not, because I would be breaking the law.

Like I said, I'm not supporting what the cop did, but you're stretching to make this a Constitutional thing... which it is not.

It is clear there are some here who will defend the actions of the police no matter what. Perhaps they are police or a close family member or friend is. I get it. But, allegiance should not prevent you from seeing right from wrong. If they were pursuing tresspassing charges, then logic dictates they "detain" her friend. They did not. They let him go. So too the "tresspassing" charge goes out the window as well. What is left? No ID?? Maybe having ID on you in public is the law, maybe it is not. What we know from the article is the officer, per the department regs., is allowed to let someone go and get the ID they requested. Since the friend was allowed to leave (because he had his ID) they could have easily waited or better yet escorted them to the hotel for the ID. That did not happen. Why? Bad cop or good cop having a bad day and decided to make this person's life miserable for a night (or two). Can you tell right from wrong in this scenario or will you just blindly defend wrong because of who committed the deed?

I agree with the young lady. If so many in the precinct knew what she was being held for was bogus, why keep her there? Even more, why would the DA even consider these charges to begin with?

I don't believe all police are bad. But I don't believe they are all good either. Neither should you.

...and if she does, I hope she gets it. America, Land of the Free, Home of the Brave? Corporate raiders and rich bail-out recipeints: no jail time. University students in the park at night without an ID? ARREST THEM, NOW!

@Magnolia simms, my comment was a tongue in cheek (somewhat) response to "usa is great" asking which rights were violated...and I am not making it a constitutional issues, those rights are guaranteed in the Declaration of Independence...and as for your comparison of killing someone would make you happy, but that is illegal, yes it is because YOUR rights end where MINE begin...you cannot infringe upon my rights to make yourself happy, that is why you get arrested if you kill someone or take their stuff..her being in the park and not having ID did not affect ANYONE else.

in all seriousness, I find it very disturbing that some people here believe that simply being in a public park ( there is no indication that they did ANYTHING else "wrong") and not having ID on her person means that a young woman can be detained by police for over a full day...there are some CONVICTED criminals who do not spend that much time in jail...imo they should have been told to vacate the park, and when she could not produce ID, then the cop could had followed them to the hotel ( a whole 2 blocks) to get her ID...I find it ridiculus that tax dollars were wasted on this, and that the other police knew something was not right but went along with it anyway...you cannot tell me that every person here has not gone out with out ID, either on purpose or by mistake, and that you review all the laws of the towns you ever visit..this whole thing is idiotic and shameful.

She'd have been let go for fear of being accused of racial profiling. Whites are the only ones left that can be harrassed without the ACLU, NAACP or LaRaza getting involved.

She should have said she was looking for the OWS encampment. They would have let her set the whole place on fire if she wanted to.

In Washington DC and New York City it is common (and very safe) for the police to target Anglos, Saxons and Caucasians as these people are the only ones left that are safe to harass. Have you ever heard of the Rev. Jesse Jackson scream racism to protect one of these groups? I didn't think so. By the way, just where is Rev. Jacksons church??

It's the level of anti-Saxon discrmination that is truly apalling!

"The NYC tourist bureau needs to add police stations as 'must see' whether you like it or not."

Hahahaha!! What an excellent idea.

stop it! im cracking up. u guys are fune!

teehee

There are many great ones as well. But it does fall under the category of "...but I wouldn't want to live there."

So after all these useless arrests it takes the arrest of a white college girl to get attention?

Don't forget she was also from westchester county. Lots of money and pampered kids there.

Note to self: "don't carry weed in NYC"....... carry ID"

1742Hawk, or better yet just don't go to NYC. Absolutely no reason to go anywhere near the place.

Only if you are interested in art museums, Broadway, the Metropolitan Opera, the Plaza Hotel, the Bronx Zoo, Flushing Meadows, Madison Square Garden, Grand Central Station, the Statue of Liberty ....

@Riquall--EXACTLY! I would love to visit NYC someday, but you wouldn't catch me in a park after midnite in ANY big city in America, be it NYC, Boston, Kansas City, LA or even Fargo. If the cops don't get ya, the gangs, drug dealers or homeless will.

OMG Neighbor, how prey tell do you suppose those MILLIONS of people live in NYC, Boston (Kansas City and Fargo are just laughable) without getting got by the gangs, drug dealers and homeless? of course you are scared of Fargo and Kansas City, that explains a lot. Crawl back under your bed with your blankie and continue shaking in your boots. LOL

Hawk, just make sure you have a fake I.D

So, Sally, how often do you visit a big city park after midnight? My point seems to have sailed right over your head. I would feel safe in nearly ANY park in ANY city in America--during the day. I all changes after dark. Even in small towns, a lonely park after dark can lead to an unsavory encounter, if not a dangerous one. I do not have my head in the sand, my eyes are wide open to reality. Are yours?

Buffalo.....earlier you posted "Some few have gotten benefits. They risk being deported. As a group illegals pay sales tax, licensing, many time social security. Most are petrified they will be caught."

You're serious? You make it sound like illegal's give more than they take? Are you arguing they stimulate the economy?

Are you drinking again?

Actually 1742Hawk, Buffalo is correct.

Many illegals do pay taxes because it acts in their favour when they try to become legal.

They stimulate the economy by shopping for huge barrels of groceries, clothing etc and shipping back home, some also have businesses that employ people.

They cannot take advantage of the social benefits like welfare, foodstamps and disability insurance because they do not have social security and they live with the constant fear of being caught. The ones who are brave enough or can afford to purchase false IDs are few.

Very many Mexicans in this area have an official Mexican ID card, the Matricula Counselor. They are officially registered as being in this country by the office of the Mexican Counsel in Atlanta, so they can use this to open bank accounts, cash checks, etc. Of course, the Mexican government has no legal authority to allow anyone to enter the U.S. This makes for a very awkard situation. (Can you imagine a U.S. counselar office assiting in Americans being in Mexico illegally and what the outcry would be?) Let's face it, their citizens receiving money from the U.S. is one of Mexico's largest "industries", and without it there would be far more pressure on the government for real reform and the creation of better jobs there.

Do you need to be reminded of the Kent State massacre? That didn't go very well for the protesters once the Guard stepped in.

Well, MassKen, thanks for informing us that corporate forces have no control whatever over the people who ultimately give orders to the National Guard. I had NO IDEA that this was the case.

Those OWS losers need to pack up their tents, get out of our parks so we can take our children to play there, quit whining that they can't find an entry-level job that pays $50k a year and do what the rest of us had to do--get a job flipping burgers or digging ditches or picking fruit or loading trucks or delivering pizzas. You all bought into the liberal lie that college=the good life, then you take classes in Star Trek, Comparative History and The Social Impact of Hip-Hop Lyrics on the Family Dynamic instead of something that will give you a marketable job skill.

Rest assured that there are plenty of current military officers who don't like what they see. They know the difference between fascism and freedom.

Today's Americans are a very weak and brainwashed people who foolishly think they're free.

And what country, pray-tell, are you all from?

Must be perfect and flawless considering you are so quick to point out other's flaws.

And the SCOTUS has almost virtually destroyed Miranda. It doesn't take affect until law enforcement decides to tell you that you're officially under arrest. Most people believe the arrest starts once you're handcuff. Not so according to SCOTUS.

You have the right to remain silent at all times. You don't need Miranda rights said to you. If you are handcuffed then you can ask if you are under arrest. Most people are not handcuffed but depending on the situation an officer can place you in cuffs.

I know that but people watch tv and think otherwise. They also believe they're under arrest when law enforcement puts them in the vehicle.

carmen, they are under arrest, if you think not, try walking away, and they beat you and or tase you and charge you with resisting arrest. also the girl was not arrested for trespassing but for having no id, I see no crime there although its a good idea to have an id for many good reasons,

Why would you visit NYC period? It's a skankhole.

Actually, I have been there a hundred times, and it is one of the finest places I have ever visited. Great food. Great museums. Great music. Beautiful neighborhoods and parks. Are you sure you have been there?

I've been there, not a very nice place to visit. the people there are afraid of their own shaddow

But Nigara Falls is beautiful.

i have only been to nyc one time in my life. the place scared the hell out of me. the people were rude beyond belief. we stopped into a greasy spoon for coffee and a rest and were told there was a cover charge if we weren't eating. i will never go there again. calif. suits me just fine.

Rather visit Florida than California.

veteran husband

OMG not a veteran husband. Tell me did they know he was a veteran? I am one and I don't think you could tell just by looking at me. Why is that fact relevant? And that story as most are is BS.

Considering it was two sandwiches which equates to $10.00 and their grocery bill was $50.00 so they stole/ate 20% of the groceries they bought. I dont know about you but if it was my grocery store I would have had them arrested too. A business cannot run if folks are "accidentally" consuming 20% of what they are spending. How about we make folks responsible for their piss poor actions. The pregnant woman and husband were arrested because they "stole" food from the store and this girl was arrested because she failed to produce an ID showing who she is. No different.

A business cannot run if folks are "accidentally" consuming 20% of what they are spending. How about we make folks responsible for their piss poor actions.

Most people don't consider sampling fruit as stealing. I saw a lady take about ten grapes and she told her daughter these are really good try some so the daughter went and grabbed a handful. Did they buy any NO!!

Well therfore the couple with the sandwiches should be executed. Let's believe they are guilty before believing they probably aren't. Morons.

It was $5.00 for BOTH sandwiches! Didn't you READ the article? That would be 10% of their total grocery bill. Not that it really matters. THAT was crazy & THIS is crazy too!

Um, no, you can not tell that someone is a veteran by looking at him. I just think the fact that he served his country should give him a bit of respect from the jerk cops. The wife needed food, she was faint in her advanced pregnancy. They kept the wrappers while they shopped and intended on paying for the sandwiches, but were not allowed to correct their mistake by paying for the sandwiches, instead they were arrested and their child was physically removed from them by social services. The whole thing is ridiculous. I am totally against shoplifting, but the story about the student and this story just proves that common sense is a thing of the past for law enforcement. During long shopping trips, I have let my kids start munching on a snack and paid for the snack while going through the line. It is a pretty common thing. So the couple forgot, let's traumatize their kid!!!

The article stated that the woman "munched" on the sandwich while continuing to shop. If she were faint she would have "munched" on the sandwich while sitting down. Her husband could have gone to the checkout to pay for the sanwiches while she recovered from her faintness.

I don't think these two cases are similar. If the two were in the park at night they could have easily missed the signs. I've seen some of these signs-very small.

Each individual sandwich was $5.00

They ate two, therefore 5+5=10

And 10 is 20% of $50

I just think the fact that he served his country should give him a bit of respect from the jerk cops.

And they know he served how?

The judge was probably already overloaded with cases but it's a shame he couldn't make a phone call and demand the cop make an immediate appearance in his/her courtroom to explain himself.

Well you see judge, it's policy that when someone breaks a law we ask for ID and if they can't provide one we detain them until we can find out who they are. If you don't like that policy talk to the police commissioner but that's what I have been told to do.

There is no law that says one must carry an ID. To hold someone for such a petty "crime" shows idiocy on the cop's part. I guess that's why he's a cop.

I guess that's why he's a cop.

That and the big bucks he makes.

Also she was not held for the petty crime of trespassing. She was held because she did commit a crime and could not prove who she was.

I think it is interesting that you think they should be able to hold her for a crime they had no interest in pursuing. They let her friend go. They couldn't take his word who she was? Or that she was telling the truth? Back to the USSR.

Nick46, to quote you "Well you see judge, it's policy that when someone breaks a law we ask for ID and if they can't provide one we detain them until we can find out who they are. If you don't like that policy talk to the police commissioner but that's what I have been told to do."

Let's highlight the important part of what you stated in bold... Now, here's the issue, the officer in question knowingly released the young man with her because he had ID right? Now using common sense the officer likely knew that she was a student too, and if he didn't then he easily could have found out that fact for certain in less than two minutes time with a simple phone call, which he didn't do. If he was not inclined to accept a phone call as proof of her ID then he easily could have had the young man who had been with her bring back her ID as proof, maybe taking 20 minutes of his time. Instead the officer chose to spend taxpayer money to the tune of approximately 20,000 dollars after you take into consideration the two nights in cells, two trips back and forth to booking from Harlem, the officer's, who took over for him, time while he was off duty, court cost, and meals.

Her actions may have constituted a crime, I wonder if the time of closing was posted where the young people entered the park, since the officer didn't argue about them not knowing it was closed, but let's be honest, who committed the bigger offense. I vote the officer did.

That girl did not commit a crime...a run in with a pissed off cop with a chip on his shoulder is not a crime...

It isnt a crime BUT it IS becoming an everyday occurrence with the "authorities"

Unfortunately, most police are the kids who got picked on in school and becoming an "officer of the law" is their chance to take revenge. and they take it EVERYDAY!!

Nick46, you are a fool. They committed no crime as evidenced by the almost instant dismissal by the judge. I have the right to carry or not carry ID as I see fit, not some pissed-off-because-I-have-to-work-nights police officer. I hope this young lady sues the officer in question, his shift supervisor, the precinct Captain, the Commissioner, and the Mayor for allowing this individual who is obviously not suited to be a police officer to wander the streets with a weapon and on the payroll of the city.

Nick... You are a cop or a cop's son or both aren't you? I mean, you are going way out on a very fragile limb to defend this one officer's actions. Are you capable of seeing how unrealistic this one officer's actions are? OK, so maybe it is policy, but like most policies, there is gray areas. After all, according to the department rep, he could have allowed the friend to get the ID back at the hotel.

As a cop, please tell us what good reason is there to not allow that to happen in this harmless situation? He couldn't have felt threatened. He was armed. He was not alone (he was the 2nd cop on the scene).

The cop to explain himself? What laws did the cop break?

I think that the responses to this article are completely contradictory to the responses that we normally get in the cases with African-American men that are abused in the same way.

For example, go outside of a club where the majority of the crowd is Black and I would bet more than half of the crimes charged have to deal with possession of marijuana and had only come to surface after a non-threatening and much more trivial offense had been cited (as is the case with this young woman being in the park past its closing). Now, I'm not trying to say that not having an ID is as bad as the crime of possession of marijuana. There's a whole lot more involved in the latter. But I do think the situation here is useful for understanding how a crimes punishment might make a situation worse off. Of course, sometimes there are crimes that need to be dealt with in a harsher manner, but this is not my point.

Why are non-threatening and for the most part "poor-judgement crimes" allowed to be tried so harshly in the justice system, further solidifying the trend that the law is above good judgement? According to NY law, the cop was completely justified in his actions. But interestingly enough, most people can see quite clearly that his actions did nothing to help the situation.

It seems quite obvious that the justice system is broken because it causes people to enter a system that is retributive rather than rehabilitative, even though a vast majority of the crimes that are committed are non-threatening in the way that they do not harm society.I think this story is important, and am actually in a round about way glad that it happened, if not just but to bring to light the harsh manner in which the justice system deals with these types of crimes, many of them committed disproportionately by Black men.

The fact remains that this cop did not break any laws and was fully justified in his actions according to NY law. The deeper and more interesting question however should be, why do we live in an America where this kind of ineffectiveness has been allowed to continue for so long? And speaking even more to institutionalized racism, why is it only when THIS young lady gets put in this position is their such a huge response to the issue?

Even more what I wonder is, how many situations like this have become complete non-issues and altogether dismissed, simply because a police officer decided that the crime a young white woman committed was not equal to the level of punitive actions he were fully justified by law in taking?

@S.T.-3384625..the officer may not have broken any laws, but why did he let the male trespasser go?? why wasnt she allowed to get her I.D. at the hotel??? the trespass was no longer an issue after the other person was let go, but her not having I.D warranted over 30 hours of police time and her time?? it would have been cleared up in ten minutes if they took her to the hotel...i dont think anyone should be treated like a criminal for these kind off little things, and i know what your saying about race playing a big role in those kind of situations..

Sounds like typical young immature officer , Should enforce age limit of 30 to join department.

Your saying exactly the point that I was trying to get across. Sometimes crimes (as in not carrying your ID) are just...well, not that serious. Also, the crime of not carrying her ID was in fact found out only after the non-threatening and more trivial, 'poor judgement crime' of being in the park after closing occurred. This happens a lot. In other words, many times police officers go out looking for trouble thereby actually initiating it, when it most likely never would have occurred in the first place.

To your point though: In this case, obviously the punishment of two nights in jail did not fit the crime of not carrying an ID. Something else could have been done to resolve the situation so that a more positive result could have been achieved. Most people are making this determination with very little effort. But its just funny to me that people are reacting this way, when this kind of situation goes on everyday for Blacks and has been unfair, in this way for years. Basically, I'm just making an analogy.

So then: What would be wrong with legalizing marijuana, and government effort to change the way society views the drug's use? This would actually do a whole lot to counter the effect the justice system has on the erosion of blacks' life chances IMO, and would help to reduce the effect of institutionalized racism.

St - It is NOT A CRIME TO NOT CARRY ID, it is not a crime to NOT have ID. Don't believe me??? If it is a crime to not have ID, then 99 percent of kids between 1 day old and 15 are criminals as most kids don't have ID until they get a drivers license..........Most homeless don't have ID as most states require an address to issue an ID, No address no ID..........are all these people criminals??????????

So then my2cents70, more to your point....If you looked at your rationality behind not wanting to have this young lady treated as a criminal for this type of crime....what I'm saying is..... this same way of thinking would most likely explain quite nicely why drug users (specifically marijuana users) should not be treated the way they are treated in the American justice system.

We can't just have people getting harsh punishments for not carrying their IDs. The intent of a punishment should be to inspire order and obedience toward the law. I'm sure the young lady would have learned her lesson had the police officer had her go to the hotel. In other words, the "punishment" of having her go back to the hotel would have been sufficient to in the future, deter the "crime" of not carrying her ID.

So when I make the analogy to the justice system, saying that the punishments are retributive rather than rehabilitative, I'm merely saying the punishments right now do not reflect a genuine desire to inspire obedience and order.

@J Burk: Whether you agree with it or not, the article implies that legally the police officer was justified.

S.T...what im saying is the crime was trespassing, you dont need to carry I.D there is no law for that, however because she couldnt prove who she is she was detained wich is very legal for the police to do..but she was with someone who could and also could help her get her proof of I.D, that should be enough for her to be done with the situation in less then an hour at most...

I wonder how this would be viewed if the headline was: "Student jailed for two days when she can't show ID turns out to be wanted fugitive".

Your freedom for security right? You deserve neither!!

Amen..

Crap.

LOL!

I don't think police have the authority to detain an illegal. Genius!

what the hell it's wrong with this people, she never said is illegal; the reporter even, so why you talking sh..t about it. You guys need learn to read, before open you big mouth. Dumb..ss !!!

Cool story, bro.

Jesus is an Illegal... He doesn't understand English but he wants you to try to interpret what he is trying to say and he knows how to swear...

I believe next time she won't forget her ID!!!!! I have traveled all over this country and never go anywhere without an ID. It is just common sense!

Common sense maybe but certainly not a crime deserving of two days in jail!!!!!!

Can anyone say fascist.

fastest...

If we say someone made a choice to support this bad decision. At the time of booking she should have been released. :( po po on that officer

I applaud Police Officer Durrell of the 26th Precinct, New York Police Department = he probably saved both of these worthless pieces of shvts lives that night by catching them trespassing there. And these two, woman and man were up to no good, AFTER 3 AM and in a City Park = either going to have sex in the park or do dope and this police officer read right through them and their lies, etc. Way to go, Officer Durrell.

IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO NOT CARRY YOUR STATE PHOTO ID in every State of the United States of America. Besides being common sense. Follow the Law OR get arrested and spend time in jail, etc. A Judge might throw it out = for time served = but that LEO got credit for an arrest; which every department uses toward awarding raises, promotions, etc. and who keeps their jobs in times of cut backs, layoffs, etc.

Where I live now, to be considered for a raise or promotion, etc. LEOs have to issue so many traffic violation tickets a month = yes this includes not using your turn signal, following too closely, going to slow in fast lane, any and all State traffic violations; write so many tickets for failing to wear a bicycle helmet and all other laws regarding riding a bicycle off or your private property = front and rear lights, reflectors, etc; make so many DUI and Drug arrests per year; domestic violence, prostitution and even broken down as to customers and prostitutes; felony arrests a year; etc. It is all broken down. Which I totally agree with because many LEOs choose not to be bothered arresting criminals for certain crimes and some are just down right afraid to.

I guess this idiot student and her idiot supporters would rather that if anything happened to her, she would be left unidentified. Like if her nude, dead body was found in the East River with no ID. No way of knowing who she was after fish ate off fingers , no jaw bone with teeth found and other body parts. Then she would be buried in a pauper's mass grave. Which now-a-days, most State's cremate the body's and throw all the waterproof container of ashes into a mass grave. Saves space.

Back to these idiot students =

This woman and man were trespassing, which is a criminal offense, also in all States of the United States of America. The Park closes at 1 am and then she got him "to walk with her a few blocks to the park, at about 3 a.m." They purposely entered into a closed park 2 hours after closing time and no one thinks this is a crime. Then "We said, ‘O.K., we didn’t know" = what liars these two are. All parks has signs posted at all entrances with the times they are open and closed and most people in any City, especially New York has common sense to know that you do not go walking into or around any park at night time, let alone after midnight; unless you are up to no good.

"She was handcuffed." DUH To the idiot who wrote this article = Jim Dwyer = why don't you find out the "truth" and the "Laws" before writing any article. And try not to be such a "drama queen" and do so much "sensationalizing".

Once arrested, you must be restrained and No one is allowed to be transported = put into a police vehicle, without being handcuffed = again, Law in every State of the United States of America.

"Early in the morning on Oct. 22, a Saturday, Ms. Zucker, 21, and her friend Alex Fischer, also 21, were stopped by the police in Riverside Park and given tickets for trespassing." and then "where she spent a second night in custody." = again, Jim Dwyer sensationalizing like that was illegal; keeping her in custody for two nights.

Jim Dwyer you are an idiot = She was arrested on a Saturday morning so she spent Saturday night in jail and Sunday night in jail = two nights =

DUH = And Do We Know Why = YES intelligent people with a brain knows why = because anyone arrested = and does not bond out = after the end of Court on a Friday night does not get their first court appearance before a Judge until Monday.

So, Jim Dwyer, knock it off with trying to make out like people are idiots (like you) and are too stupid to know or figure out that after the Court closes on a Friday = there will be no Judges available till Monday = or in case of Holidays, not until the day after the Holiday. DUH.

"The judge proceeded to dismiss the ticket in less than a minute." Way to go Jim Dwyer with your half A$$ reporting again and not telling the entire truth of events, etc. No Judge ever dismisses a ticket, a case, etc. without stating the legal reason. DUH again to you. The reason the trespassing ticket was dismissed was because she got credit for time served in jail. In case you do not understand that = instead of bonding out and then paying the fine for trespassing, she did time in jail. Either she choose to stay in jail to make a big deal out of this because she was legally arrested. Or none of her friends or family would bail her sorry A$$ out.

Bet she has a female lover or male lover and did not want her or him or both or her parents to know she was going to a City Park in New York City after 3 AM with another man to have sex or do drugs, etc.

"Here, in the pointless arrest of Ms. Zucker" says Jim Dwyer, the author of this article. Well, again, that is your uneducated opinion, which everyone is entitled to their opinions = just like mine here.

This arrest was legal and not pointless = these two broke the law. They were trespassing on City Property.

Anyone breaking any law is a criminal and guilty and no arrest is pointless.

These two idiots really made their parents proud.

WARNING TO ANY COMPANY this female idiot applies to for a job. Take Heed = do not hire this female because she refuses to follow the Law, breaks the Law, and thinks she is above the Law. Lies and makes up false allegations against Authorities. Yep, just the kind of employee a company wants.

These two should be thanking Police Officer Durrell instead of complaining and especially the female with all her lies and trying to cover up the reason they were there, etc.

BTW, idiots, majority of police vehicles have tape recorders inside and listening devices to those on outside where conversations can be picked up several feet away. So I am sure they have her on recording calling this police officer and any others = names and being belligerent, etc.

This idiot female stated = “no other officer had the courage to stand up against what they knew was a poor decision.” Sure we believe that statement that any other police officer is going to go against another police officer for ticketing a person for the crime of illegal trespassing and arresting a person for breaking the Law and the crime of refusing to carry a State Photo ID on them at all times. Liar, Liar stupid Zucker.

And yes, we also all believe that all of these other Officers said that and also that they just came up to a jailed criminal and volunteered information and made statements against a fellow officer. NOT.

All areas in a police department are videotaped and tape recorded for sight and sound. Especially jail cell areas. Police Officers are very loyal to each other, even when they might not personally stand each other and if any officer spoke out like this idiot, lying female Zucker alleges = they would be put on probation or fired.

Ms. Zucker = next time you want to screw some guy, or use dope, etc. either get a hotel room of your own or one in a different hotel from where all your group is staying. That way you will not be tempted to make up such horrendous lies.

I never knew New York City turned into a police state with gestapo running amok in that place with little DICTATORS calling the whole thing a right and just thing. It is a typical for someone like yourself to say that she lied without you being there yourself to witness the whole event.

I guess that I am glad that I wasnt there. In fact I am more than happy that I don't live in New York City for that matter because of morons like you living there that can't take the word of a visiting person who was out of town and did not know of any such rules.

The Way it is! You are so spot on! Thank you for saying it and keep on saying it.

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@The Way it is & DJS

Come here often?

The Way It Is and Denise are both idiots.

Wow, well said Comrade. The needs of the people are irrelevant compared to the needs of The Peoples Republic of New York. After all, you seriously wouldn't expect the Peoples police to endanger themselves by confronting someone with a gun or knife when there are young Anglos to harass would you? The Peoples police work the same MO here in Washington DC; they protect the thugs from innocents also.

Seriously, how can we consider most cops to be honest when they protect the few scumbags that think a gun and badge justify their attitude and abuse of the system? Police were hired to SERVE and PROTECT the citizens. Instead, we allow local governments to use them as a revenue resource and some forget their lofty reasons for joining the force.

To Denise Hohnson or Johnson or whatever your name is

UP YOURS

Thank you for that lengthy and conclusive demo of the feebleness of your reasoning powers, TWII. What you need to do now is work on developing something resembling a rudimentary sense of proportion. You might also consider reading some real literature to see if you are able to identify with any of the protagonists; perhaps that would help augment your depleted stock of human empathy. Meantime, don't try to think. Every time you substitute the vindictive frothing you mistakenly regard as 'thinking' for reasoned judgment you weaken the social fabric on which we all depend.

well i think the majority of the posts agree that it was a little to extreme for this girl to spend 36 hours in custody over a petty crime off trespass due to not having an I.D..also a waste of law enforcement time, given the outcome... however law enforcement did have the right to detain her to keep the public safe from a possible fugitive on the loose???hmmmm...you may want to know what your fourth amendment rights are if you are found in a situation like this.

a petty crime? oh , its just a class C misdemeanor. Hardly even worth the time of day in jail. But I guess that it all changed when that officer decided to be like Stalin or Hitler and be a cold blooded bastard case. Maybe he should spend 36 hours in a holding cell and see for himself what its like.