Sydney, read the post next time (if you can). I said PUBLIC property owned by TAXPAYERS who also have rights under the constitution. Rights to be able to control the property for TAXPAYERS from a bunch of kids who have nothing better to do because they crapped away their college loans on some worthless degree so they could party harty at college and now want the loan forgiven. Let me guess, your 99 weeks are about up and you will be forced to go out and look for a job? Try appying at one of those evil corporations whose tax dollars paid to maintain those public spaces these morons are destroying.

They can prevent it by denying permits. This is exactly the tactic being used by police and mayors of these cities. Every spot the occupiers choose is "not good enough" for a permit. They have violated their rights!

sidneyhop-1120722

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What happen to free speech...

tony

sidney used this term in response to matt's post where he used the term. is it right? maybe not, but it was not an unsolicited comment.

sidney, So you're saying that any group who wants to can obstruct traffic and commerce, throw bottles at police and cause the city to incur the costs of cleanup and security- both getting overtime? The KKK? The Billy Graham Ministries? They all get the same treatment? What about the "teabaggers" that you like to bash? Do they get the same rights? Yes, they did, and they left the locations spotlessly clean and there was no sex or drugs. These little loud mouths are bored and think they are joining some kind of grass roots movement that will change the world. Too bad these punks missed the march on Washington or Selma. Go have a Woodstock of your own and stop being wanna-be's. (If you can arrange it from your mom's basement.)

Every city these so-called 'protesters' move into is losing a bundle of money on police coverage and handling sanitation problems. Taxpaying businesses are complaining to city halls because they are losing business due to the mess outside their doors. Citizens are having their movements blocked on the streets of their own cities...and their taxes pay for those streets.

The "protesters" have proved their point...or actually 'non-point'. It's time for them to move back in with mommy and daddy...except for the homeless people hanging around the tent camps...they'll miss the free meals.

THIS is how it should be. Civil on both sides.

http://www.mydesert.com/article/20111028/NEWS01/110280302/Occupy-protesters-speak-before-Palm-Desert-council?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage

These clowns don't even know what they are protesting. Only that they want more freebies. This is a weak liberal attempt to come up with a movement like the Tea Party, but without trashing the location they were at, or clashing with the police. It didn't work. It's a small number of people plus the left wing media attempting to dictate policy for the majority of us.

These protests are disrupting normal peoples abilities to feed their families and are harming businesses not involved in banking theft.

Worse they are demanding freebies from local businesses intimidating anyone who refuses to give them freebies and following some shop owners to their cars.

The fringe thug element is causing problems and this is no longer about protesting it is becoming a justification for lawless behavior.

Leftist rabble rousers always attempt to get violent....why?

We need to see some CEOs being dragged out of their offices.

Seems like a lot of you are ok with the state implementing a curfew to specifically target the protests. That is Un-American to the core and a violation of the Constitution.

Like the way Mayor Bloomberg removed the generators because they were a "safety hazard"? Really? Bit of a stretch Mr. Mayor.

The current polarization of social activism in US reminds me of the situation in 1920's Germany, where international socialists (communists) and national socialists (nazis) fought street battles in order to force their program of reforms. If it gets substantially worse here in terms of economy, I can easily see the Tea Party folks and OWS folks duke it out in the streets. Maybe this is the ONLY way to make meaningful reforms in this country.

Steven B

Why do liberals want censorship?

Poor trolling. Work harder.

So Tea Partiers are allowed to show up to protests with assault rifles, which directly influenced the shooting of Gabby Giffords, yet college kids get assaulted and beat down by police for peaceful assembly? Hmm, something stinks with this situation. All you people talking about the protestors doing drugs and such are way off base. If police see anyone doing drugs they should arrest them, not just start grabbing and beating anyone they see.

Another idiotic, pointless diatribe from MadisonFromNY. Laws on the books need to be upheld (that includes collecting taxes among many others), but ramming a law through so you can attack a group of Americans you don't agree with hardly seems what our founders intended.

I find it a bit humorous when tea party supporters object to OWS protests because they aren't respectful of business interests and property.

Didn't you name your movement after an act of protest that involved the illegal confiscation and destruction of the property of British business interests, actions that you apparently believe are, in retrospect, examples of courage and laudable political speech?

Steven B wrote:

The First Amendment is not carte blanche to conducting public temper tantrums.

Wow. That's how you would describe OWS or any other protest?

That, sir, is the epitome of a fascist attitude.

Just because you don't agree with them does not make them wrong or irrelevant. If you feel that way, then you need to take your individualism to an island - someplace where your one singular opinion actually means something.

This is America, where we are governed by majority, by passionate opinionism of groups of people like protestors, not indifferent or crude individualism. If you don't like that, or if it's inconveniencing you, then find the nearest exit.

Matt-3468366

I love how people assume because I disagree with this OWS nonsense, that somehow I'm a "right winger" or, more frequently seen as of late, "reich." How clever. No really, it's so incredibly clever to equate conservatism with the Nazi party.

No more or no less that equating socially liberal movements with the Communist party regimes.

It's really not offensive to both the memories of those that lived through the atrocities committed, nor offensive to those that died from them.

Take the strawman elsewhere. Seriously.

For the record, I am a Libertarian. We few value personal liberty more than anything else.

Ok ...

What the OWS movement wants is emphatically *not* liberty, but more government meddling.

Wrong. in one sentence you've displayed your complete lack of knowledge of the movement. What the OWS movement -- at its core -- is about is fair and equal representation of People by eliminating the influence of big-money in Congress and the White House.

I stand by one set of laws, those set in the Constitution, and if you take a closer look, the founding fathers set a framework for a libertarian-based country. But let's forget all about that.

No, let's don't. Let's make damned f*cking sure you can walk the walk. If you're truly a person who backs the Constitution, you should be pissed as hell that someone with a bigger bank account can buy greater influence on The Hill.

Instead, let's get everyone free college educations and free healthcare and free this and free that. We need to take money away from people that earned it, because it's unfair to the people that didn't.

You don't have a Goddamned clue what you're talking about. The few true Libertarians I know are extremely well-versed in topics pertinent to our freedoms and the Constitution. You're as much of a Libertarian as I am a 1%er.

I'll save you the 5 seconds to Google:

"Occupy Wall Street is a people-powered movement that began on September 17, 2011 in Liberty Square in Manhattan’s Financial District, and has spread to over 100 cities in the United States and actions in over 1,500 cities globally. #OWS is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations. The movement is inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, and aims to expose how the richest 1% of people are writing the rules of an unfair global economy that is foreclosing on our future."

I would be willing to agree with OWS if they simply said one thing: Simplify the tax code.

Nobody seems to realize, all the corporate-pay-to-play and lobbyist-influence comes from the complicated tax code. Politicians write bills with complex loopholes, add to the tax code, and that's where the money is coming from. If there were a 10% income tax on all people making up to $100k, and 20% on every dollar over $100k, a 15% corporate tax, and a 10% VAT, there would be no place for loopholes. It's my 10-20-15-10 plan. Tax code could be reduced to about ten pages, not 20,000 pages or whatever it is now. We don't need *more* government programs and *more* government spending.

To those that oppose the OWS movement, I have a question:

Why do you support multi-millionaire freeloaders?

Yes, you heard me. The very wealthy 1% didn't get their money all by themselves. They got rich by owning companies that have THOUSANDS of delivery trucks tearing up the roads that *MY* tax dollars paid for. Those companies make incredibly heavy use of police, fire departments, our court system and, indeed, EVERYTHING that our tax dollars pay for.

If you get rich by owning a company that uses the commons many thousands of times for every time I do, then I don't think I'm out of line to ask you to pay much higher taxes.

Also, if the 1% wants a decrease in government regulation, then they should stop doing jaw-droppingly evil things that can only be stopped by regulation. In short, take responsibility for your own actions. If you're not willing to do that then don't complain when people ask for regulations to compel you to stop acting like a five year old.

If you want examples:

1. Let's talk about the tobacco industry doing everything in their power to dispute sound science showing that smoking causes cancer. Why? Because they would rather see thousands of people die than to lose a little of their precious money.

2. Let's talk about the bosses that find lame excuses to fire women as soon as they get pregnant.

3. Let's talk about my first boss that paid my pearly white caucasion self nearly twice as much as an African American with MORE experience working the SAME JOB for the SAME RESTAURANT.

4. Let's talk about the health insurance companies that take people's premiums for decades and then flat-out cheat to try to get out of paying when the time comes to fulfill their end of the bargain.

5. Don't even get me started on the things the banking industry has done.

6. While we are at it, let's talk about the scumbags that try to con job-hunters out of the few dollars they have.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but with freedom comes responsibility. If you're going to act like a greedy 5 year old that wants all of the toys for himself, then don't you DARE complain when people want laws to compel you to stop acting like a _____.

Wow. I feel much better now. :-)

Spotless. Really. Where were you protesting? How many people were there? My guess is not very many if it was spotless. A small group of people in a theater for a two movie leave it a mess.

Maxwello - That kind of logic would undermine their entire argument, thus they will act as if it was never said.

Their off-the-wall reaction is a bit much. However, I'm certain they'll come up with other delightful methods before they begin bashing those who are conducting themselves clearly within the law!

Ah, "America the beautiful"--don't get me wrong, for I love my country. but right now, I don't like her very much at all. Isn't it grand when the pious and self-righteous leaders in this country yak endlessly about the 'democracy' people half a world away are fighting and dying for (and then) meet us with a slience that is so deafening and ignore our cops who bash our heads in?

I'm a semi-retired elder who has held up my end of the deal; worked for more than four decades, paid my taxes, and have been a 'good American.' Right now, I support and am a part of the 'Occupy Seattle' band of American citizens who are expressing ourselves lawfully.

I am the 99%--rather than ridicule us, at the very least, support us, even if you do so silently!

I know, in Tennessee, the judge released everyone who was jailed because they were not given adequate time to obtain permits.

The Tennessee Reich lost that 1.

If people are causing a disturbance you either give them a ticket or arrest them individually. You don't implement a state wide curfew and violate the constitution and violate the rights of the citizens that are peacefully protesting! That's what CHINA DOES!

I am 62 years old. I am going to an "Occupy" event tomorrow. Why? Because even though I am doing very well financially, I am FED UP with Wall Street's greed, it's influence over American life, and its unbridled, unregulated freedom to lie, cheat and steal. These jokers brought down the American economy and yet many fear to regulate them. Those of us who are taking to the streets are not afraid to regulate. No freedoms will be lost; at least one freedom will be gained: freedom from fraud.

Clear enough for ya?

Lord forbid any business loose any money while people protest their greed. I'm sick to death reading you right wingers whine about the saintly Tea Party, a group who held the country hostage while a small minority had their day in the sun and then denigrate those who now take their turn to say ENOUGH of the greed, enough of the corporate welfare, enough of the stacked deck.

This comment demonstrates everything that frustrates me about the OWS movement. Do you realize that most of those businesses that are being disrupted are small businesses? Small business owners are not in the 1% - most live month to month just like everyone else. The financial losses that they may realize as a result of people camping and littering in front of their doors have the potential to be devastating. Small business owners used to be, and still can be, the middle class in this country. Most economists would agree that it's these small businesses that fuel economic growth in this country - not the mega corporations.

I am so sick of the OWS movement lumping everyone who makes any kind of money together into the 1%. Guess what folks? The more people you lump into the 1%, the more you dilute your cause. Yesterday, someone posts that anyone making over $50,000/year should be considered a 1%-er. That doesn't even make any sense. Those small business owners that you couldn't care less about because they are just "so rich" sit very firmly in the 99% of the population that you claim to be fighting for.

Yes, God forbid those small business owners, make any money at all. After all, there should be no middle ground right? Only the super-rich and the poverty stricken are the ones that matter in this debate....

The issue is that Republicans and Tea Party supporters have never once actually listened to what OWS is really about.

They don't care. All the GOP/TP see's is that a non-Tea Party group has assembled, thus this group is bad/wrong/crimminal/etc. The GOP/TP has ZERO interest in the real message of OWS... they will not listen, they will not research, they will not learn. They will stereotype the entire movement and ignore any rationale debate.

Do you think ANY Republican will care about the real message? "Eliminate corrupt money from our government, from BOTH parties." No, they will not listen and do not care.

Hell, one of the biggest complaints from OWS is the corporate bailouts which were used to inflate the pocket books of the 1%. The Tea Party had this EXACT SAME complaint. But when OWS says it, they are wrong... even though it's the SAME F---ING MESSAGE.

This is why you can not reason with a Republican... because even when you both agree on the exact same message, a Republican will still say you are wrong.

I am so sick of the OWS movement lumping everyone who makes any kind of money together into the 1%.

Lmao. One is a number. You can't 'lump' any more into it. :D

If you don't see these actions as trying to stop a lawful protest then congratulations you are a proud member in the new Functioning oligarchy that the 1% is trying to form again. Yes again there was one before in the late 1800s/early 1900s and it took a great depression to take power back from those few. Unless you want to repeat histroy you should be joining or supporting OWS.

Steven B, I take it you have been to a KKK protest? Taken part in the KKK obtaining the proper permits? Cleaned up after a KKK protest? When was the last time the KKK obtained a permit? Just answer one IF you can.

They are becoming health hazzard!!!

Steven B wrote:

Jump to conclusions much?

Even the dastardly KKK gets the proper permits and cleans up after themselves.

Don't try to back-peddle by adding some misleading retort. Who do you think you're hoodwinking?

You said "temper tantrum" in describing Americans petitioning the government. That's un-American.

fomer-GOP,

This is why you can not reason with a Republican... because even when you both agree on the exact same message, a Republican will still say you are wrong.

Spot on. This is how Republicans have behaved toward President Obama when he proposed EXACTLY what they previously proposed. Why? Because they don't care about us. They care about HIM. Destroying him, that is. It is their only mission, and it is about time the public woke up to it and voted them out. Reps in Congress are literally "do-nothings". They don't care if Wall St rides roughshod over most of us, they really don't. They only want to make Obama look bad, even if it means preventing economic recovery. Shocked? It's true.

If Obama walked on water, Republicans would say, "Hah, he can't swim!"

@James - That was kind of my point :-P

If you added up all of the people being accused of being 1%-ers but some protestors (not all, SOME), you would have far more of the population than 1%.

It is amazing how many cannot read and understand a simple statement.

Congress (and past court rulings pretty much extend this to all government bodies) shall pass no law...

It is pretty clear that as soon as a law is passed to prohibit these assemblies, that law is unconstitutional. That is why the judge in Nashville let the people go. He can read.

These kind of things always happen at night because the police know they are violating the Constitution and want to reduce the chances they will be caught on tape. They do not want any footage for the Justice Department to pinpoint individuals that violate any persons constitutional rights. The next step is to take the cities and police departments to court for violating our rights.

If you do not believe this can happen, watch what two pillars of our society have to say about the right to assemble.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGRXCgMdz9A&sns=fb

I believe the Justice Department works for him.

Steven B, I take it you have been to a KKK protest? Taken part in the KKK obtaining the proper permits? Cleaned up after a KKK protest? When was the last time the KKK obtained a permit? Just answer one IF you can.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=110x10527

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/10/22/nyregion/court-orders-city-to-allow-protest-by-ku-klux-klan.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

phillyfan - i was at a harley-davidson 100th anniversary party downtown Indianapolis at victory park down the street was a black panther demonstration- up the street was a kkk rally - the cops where everywhere ...all three had permits

Their right to free speech has not been removed.

For all of the money that they have spent living on public property (at least NYC), they could have rented a public auditorium or other place where conventions are held and had a rally to air their grievances without all of the additional trouble.

Justoneguy,

I am an "Occupier."

My student loans are paid off. I have a home. I am retired on a very good income.

I support the young of this country who can see that things are very, very skewed in favor of the wealthy. And they can see why. Because corporate America exercises shocking influence over our government. Period.

It is quite a commentary when we treat our protesters the same way or worse than they are treated in Tunisia and Egypt, countries we look down on because they are dictatorships.

What are you afraid of? That they could be right? That you may have been taken in by the crowd that doesn't care about you but uses you to guarantee its obscene profits? Why do you care if people protest?

Oh, wait, are you one of THEM?

All of this criticism over OWS is not new or even special. This same rhetoric was used during all of the protests over Vietnam. They were staged by groups simliar to OWS. In the US they have a constitutional right to do this. How does anyone think that the authorities can repress this? The Solidarity movement in Poland did it under Communist rule, protests were held in Russia during Communist rule, several regimes in the Middle East have been overturned by protests and the Syrian protests are continuing even though many have died fighting for change. So again, how will these protests be stopped or contained in America? The Marine vet in Oakland is just one of the first whose injury will further strengthen these protests. I will not be surprised if some of these protestors will end up killed, this when the majority in the US will demand change and look for politicians heads to roll.

Current government officials and big corporations, America's youth is mad, America's middle and lower class is mad. Take notice, change is coming, like it or not. This appears to be a populace protest and there is always change with these types of protests.

Steven B wrote:

Jump to conclusions much?

Even the dastardly KKK gets the proper permits and cleans up after themselves.

Don't try to back-peddle by adding some misleading retort. Who do you think you're hoodwinking?

Can't handle the truth? You alleged that I was against all form of protest.

Ergo, you jumped to a conclusion. I am hoodwinking no one. I am espousing the truth.

You said "temper tantrum" in describing Americans petitioning the government. That's un-American.

No, I do not equate a 'petition' to a non-permitted, sometimes vulgar protest.

Expecting others to pay for yourself is the epitome of "un-American"

Wow! A Harley Davidson anniversary party, a Black Panther demonstration and a KKK rally all on the same day on the same street. Gotta love America.

justoneguy

This isn't about "free speach"!

Yes it is. "Speech," incidentally.

A) The only 'agenda' that's been voiced is that they don't want to pay back their student loans. It's a DEBT that THEY aquired.

Not true. The baseline demand is equal representation in our government, regardless of financial standing. All other demands are derived from that principal.

B) They're setting up homes and permanent camps on public and private property. They have no "right" to do that.

Permanent? That's a tad overstated, don't you think?

C) Most are breaking established laws that are enforced DAILY all around the world in order to protect parks and property from damage and abuse.

Actually, no. If you read the article, you'd be aware that knee-jerk, 11th hour laws are being shoved through in order to circumvent Constitutional rights to free speech and assembly.

They'd start to build homes if allowed to go unchecked.

I'm sincerely questioning your reality.

The protesters must go.

... and they will, once they are assured the 99% will no longer be used as a doormat for the 1%.

Obama must go

Your statement is completely unrelated to OWS, but sheds some light on your character.

P.S. If these occupiers did not have a permit, why did the state implement a curfew to get them to leave?

THE WORLD IS WATCHING

...............America become a communistic 3rd world county

@NHLucky,

This is nothing like Egypt, Lybia or Syria. I've said it before and Ill say it again. Anyone who comparing Oakland or Nashville to the atrocities that happened in those countries are sorely mistaken.

In fact, your comparison is an insult to the many people in these countries who have suffered far worse treatment than some tear gas (for many, many years)....indignities that you could never even imagine being an American. You should be thankful for that.

If you want to do a comparison study, I suggest you go spend sometime in North Africa to learn what real tyranny is. When you are done, go visit the Sudan.

Anyone who is comparing what happened in Oakland to what is happening in Egypt, Syria, Lybia, etc. should be ashamed of and embarrassed by their ignorance.

The police are part of the 1%. How's the Patriot Act treating you now?? State law does not and should never supersede the U.S. Constitution at any time and neither should the fu*king UN-Patriot Act!! "Occupy, Occupy, Occupy, whenever and wherever you can and keep it going, it's working!!"

Steven B

All of this criticism over OWS is not new or even special. This same rhetoric was used during all of the protests over Vietnam.

Do not equate people protesting an un-declared war to greedy parasites who want all kinds of things given to them.

Yeah, equitable representation in the Federal government is a completely reprehensible concept.

justoneguy, "This isn't about "free speach"!

A) The only 'agenda' that's been voiced is that they don't want to pay back their student loans. It's a DEBT that THEY aquired.

B) They're setting up homes and permanent camps on public and private property. They have no "right" to do that.

C) Most are breaking established laws that are enforced DAILY all around the world in order to protect parks and property from damage and abuse.

Either you really have no idea what is going on and are "trolling". Or your here as a shill.

First, the US Constitution is the highest law of this land. The Bill of Rights gives all American citizens the right to assemble and protest our governments actions. Occupy is asking for:

Campaign finance reform so that corporations could not buy OUR politicians;

Repeal of the Citizens United rule that designates corporations as 'people';

End to wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and no further involvement in foreign countries until the needs of Americans have been addressed;

Stop spending American taxpayer money on foreign countries, and instead use that money to help America to repair our failing infrastructure, build schools so our children can get a decent education, take care of our seniors who have to choose between food and medicine;

Bring down the cost of health care so that more Americans can afford it;

Close tax loopholes for all, from the top to the bottom;

Make college education more affordable so that more middle class Americans have a chance to improve themselves.

All reasonable requests. The problem is that our government, all three branches of it, are Domestic Enemies of the USA.

Definition of Domestic Enemies: Domestic Enemies are those within our own government who pursue legislation and programs that are contradictory and/or against the powers and principles held within the US Constitution. They are the individuals who create laws/etc in a manner that goes against the Constitution's restraint on the three branches of our government; plus destroys or weakens the Rights of the people as guaranteed by the Constitution.

The description describes a huge part of our current (and previous) administration.

So why am I accusing all of being Domestic Enemies? Because Not one of them has kept the Oath as they are required to do to keep the office/position they are currently in. The POTUS takes an Oath to "Preserve, Protect, and Defend the US Constitution". He has done the opposite of all three. The rest take an Oath to "Support and Defend the US Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic... " They have either actively went against the US Constitution, plus tried to dump our Constitutional Rights which makes them Domestic Enemies of the USA. The rest passively allowed it to happen.

Operation Gunrunner (Fast and Furious) for example. Supposedly Obama, Holder and others did not know until recently about it. Unfortunately in 2009 a press release from POTUS Obama about the funding shows that to be a lie. First he tried to pass H.R.495, but it didn't pass. So next he he rolled into the stimulus package a month later.H.R.1 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, "$10,000,000 shall be transferred to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Salaries and Expenses for the ATF Project Gunrunner". (take the space out of the link to the Presidential press release.)

ube.com/watch?v=-PNhYk9NuNc&feature=player_embedded#

That makes POTUS Obama, Holder, and the rest Traitors, Domestic Enemies, and Murderers under our laws. Traitors and Murderers for getting weapons to a foreign enemy who then used the weapons on our soil to kill American Citizens.

None of this administration, including the Supreme Justices are legally in office/position anymore. Once they did not keep the Oath, they lost the ability to legally remain in office/position.

So, the choice is ours, "We the People..."; do we allow them to continue to destroy our country, our Constitution, our freedoms, or do we have them removed from office? Prosecute the ones who actively went against the US Constitution/our own Country, and stop the one who allowed it from ever serving again, loss of citizenship (for all of them), and kicked out of the USA.

Ro, the only health hazard is our current medical system and trade agreements that only benefit the wealthiest at the expense of both the exporter and us the importee. Our wages stagnate and finally drop or simply no wage at all and they are exploited-- if wages increase there, they ship it to somewhere else. Pleanty of people to exploit around the world.

And when it all comes crashing down, the wealthiest will still have enough wealth to weather the storm.

Actually, Ph, I have every right to compare the way our police treat us to the way protesters are treated in other countries, and it is your smug reply that justifies it.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. We brag about how wonderful we are and try to force others to be like us, and we can't even tolerate a few people with legitimate criticisms?

We are defined by the way we treat our citizens, and what is happening is wrong. I don't disagree that the degree of treatment is different; nevertheless the principle is the same.

PS I have spent quite a bit of time in Egypt. I guess that counts as North Africa, doesn't it? Don't patronize.

Junicon

Yes, you heard me. The very wealthy 1% didn't get their money all by themselves. They got rich by owning companies that have THOUSANDS of delivery trucks tearing up the roads that *MY* tax dollars paid for. Those companies make incredibly heavy use of police, fire departments, our court system and, indeed, EVERYTHING that our tax dollars pay for.

Road taxes are paid every time you put fuel in your car or a commercial delivery truck. Just to let you know, Class 8 trucks, (better known as 18-wheelers), make up about 3% if registered vehicles but pay about 40% of all road use taxes. That does not include what the Class 6-8 vehicles pay, those are the small semi's and straight trucks. So please, we do pay our fair share of road taxes.

Everything else you complain about is all funded from local and not federal taxes, so at least know how those entities are funded before you complain about federal tax dollars.

This country is becoming more and more like a third world country that attacks it's citizens and doesn't allow them their freedom of free speech. Remember this on election day. I WILL>

I was listening ot MSNBC last night and they were upset that not one Wall street executive had been prosecuted to date. I laughed for an hour thinking that it is Eric Holder's job to do so if he felt they should be prosecuted. But his boss (Obama) will make sure they are not prosecuted because all of them are his supporters. Then Obama gets behind the OWS people who are wanting his financial supporters to go to jail. Maybe the liberals should look into the mirror once to see who are the evil they are protesting.

You know what, your response says it all. I don't even need to patronize. Anyone with a decent knowledge of foreign issues would agree with me. And, yes, Egypt is in North Africa. Try looking at a map before you trivialize their law and order problems by comparing them to ours.

NHLucky-661693

Justoneguy,

I am an "Occupier."

Hey...good for you NHL...please keep my tag and PERSONALLY let me know how occupiers have improved your life in about 10 years vs. them going out and LOOKING FOR A JOB!!! In the meantime, get them the ---- off our property!!

Wizard, I think you should dig a bit deeper. Funding for firefighters and police does come mainly from local and state taxes but are subsidized by federal funds, too. Federal revenues are down since "W the Divine" cut taxes for the rich. My property taxes and sales tax rate were increased just to keep the police and fire protection at the level we had before "W the Divine" was elected. And the police officers' and firefighters' wages have been stagnant, just like the rest of the "working class".

Oh, PH! No need to get nasty! Guess my little attempt at wit went over your head.

I guess we disagree if you really do think it is fine for our police to use tear gas or water cannons on protesters, drag them away, put them in jail, etc.

I never compared the underlying brutalities of other regimes with here, you did that. I simply pointed out that I find it ironic that we preach to the rest of the world and then attack our young, who have the nerve to tell the truth.

I find it disingenuous to advance the argument that because other societies are more brutal than ours, we can't criticize bad decisions about using police power here at home. Do you see my point?

PS I actually knew that Egypt was in North Africa. Just a little tweak, that's all. It's hard not to spend time there and not know where it is. :)

Steven B wrote:

"'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.'

That's the First Amendment.

This pertains to Congress. It also pertains to petitioning the Government and assembling peacefully.

It does not condone or legitimize squatting on private property, having sex in public, doing recreational drugs or causing a disturbance.

Nor does it prevent keeping of the peace by local authorities.

The First Amendment is not carte blanche to conducting public temper tantrums."

And, so far, 51 people up-voted it. They must have missed the 14th amendment that states:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

To say that the constitution only applies to the federal government and not to the states or local governments is taking us back to pre-civil war constitutional thinking. Our constitutional rights can not be violated by government on any level: federal, state, or local.

It is quite a commentary when we treat our protesters the same way or worse than they are treated in Tunisia and Egypt, countries we look down on because they are dictatorships.

Your words....

For the record, I don't necessarily condone tear gas or water cannons. There shouldn't be unnecessary violence anywhere in the world...ever. But, saying what is happening here is the same or worse as what happened in Egypt is dramatic and inflammatory. And, simply, not true.

PH, all individuals that suppress free speech and the right to assemble are the same. They are trying to force you to their will. It really does not matter what country you live in. Tyrants are tyrants. There are many different ways to take them down. Eventually, they all get taken down. Your fear may force you to give up your rights for laws that are unconstitutional, but not everyone will. Those that do not will preserve your rights and freedom.

My fear? Please.

Before you start to compare the U.S. to places like Egypt, Syria, Lybia and many more I suggest you go there and talk to their people. Please do come back here and tell us all about the reaction you got when you tried to tell them that people in the U.S. suffer from similar abuse.

Steven B:

"Do not equate people protesting an un-declared war to greedy parasites who want all kinds of things given to them."

Do I even have to say this? Well apparently I do. There are quite a few protesters that have joined the OWS movement that are in fact there only to protest undeclared wars. They in fact stand with the OWS movement. You need to inform yourself on what is actually going on. You may still have the same stance once you do but at least you wont look dumb by saying things like that.

Instead, let's get everyone free college educations and free healthcare and free this and free that. We need to take money away from people that earned it, because it's unfair to the people that didn't.

Ant and the grasshopper, that's all I'll say about the USA today.

When your skull is fractured and you are unconscious, it is difficult to recognize the difference in local.

That should have been a block quote ^^ Good one, Matt.

The reich keep getting richer...

WeNeedReagan wrote (a lot of crud):

Here we have the main problem in our country. The ignorance of how we are governed.

By a majority? Really? I hope you just had a typical Liberal TIA (Transient Ischemic Attack), this is akin to a brain fart.

Explain exactly how we are not governed by a majority? We, the people, elect representatives by a majority consensus. When people get a popular opinion, that tends to change the voting habits of those representatives (look no further than the Civil Rights movement).

To expand the majority thought, laws are passed through both houses of Congress (and similarly in all states) by a majority vote. Rulings are determined by the Supreme Court by a majority consensus.

I can't tell if perhaps you have no grasp of the American political system and its history or just an inferior working knowledge of the English dictionary.

"Peaceful assembly" does not give you the right to create shanty towns or obstruct the Rights of other citizens to use and enjoy the property, private AND public.

Oh yes, because that's exactly what is happening... *cue the eye roll*

And actually it does. Those people have a right to peacefully assemble. You do not have a Constitutional right to always be able to eat your sandwich in the park. And even if you did, your right does not outweigh theirs (especially if you're haphazardly going to go with the fallacious argument of the 9th Amendment).

You're really trying to debate someone while both of your lobes are tied behind your back.

A Republic is the equivalent to the Majority Limited. Under the Constitution safeguard are implemented to protect the Rights of the ultimate minority, the individual. A Democracy, on the other hand, is the Majority Unlimited, where majority, or mob, rules. Under a Democracy the ultimate minority, the individual, has no Rights. The Framer's made explicit mention of this at the Federal (framing) Convention in 1787 and warned about the Tyranny-by-Majority and the "excesses of democracy".

You also need a refresher as to the other thing they feared: the tyranny of ONE.

They may have made laws to limit the reach of mob-rule, but they fought a revolution to limit the laws of individual rule.

As a fascist, I can see how this fact doesn't appeal to you.

You Just Said What and Observer_1 you guys are great. It would be fun to sit in a pub and talk with you guys. Maybe, someday.

You do realize in your entire diatribe, you didn't address one single thing I said, right?

Hypocrisy so thick you could walk on it.

The Occupy Wall Street folks are asking that security be tightened because thieves and the homeless are now showing up at the camps, stealing valuables and taking advantage of the free food and blankets. In other words, they're redistributing the wealth and the protesters are complaining! LOL

I support the people having their voice heard. I support peaceful assembly. I support human beings advocating for themselves, and others, when there is unfair advantage, disparity and inequity.

I hope that the many voices are heard and that there is a paradigm shift on what it means to be a human being not just our country but our world.

Humans were born to both lead, or follow--I believe they can do both. Which one are you? A leader or a follower? And if you follow--who do you follow? Who, or what do you stand up for?

collapsed comments = unarguable facts that Liberals can't stand.

Laws,laws, laws.

Many on here whine about not being able to enjoy their park.Is it just theirs?Many complain that their stores are losing money,and they are the 99%.Why not have a OWS sale.Profits would soar.Sympathy can go a long way.Hotels and motels will be filled.Good for the economy.

What if NY didn't have gun control, like Texas,and everyone carried a gun?What law is broken when a private citizen has an abortion? Are they in someones way?Who has the right to tell anyone what to do?

The FASCHIST RIGHT is coming into play.Read all about it.The word says it all."Faschism". This is what the country is becoming.Instead of "No child left behind", it's "All 99%rs will be left behind".

Far as trash,it's like that with every event.The city could use a few hoppers at various locations to keep sanitation workers on the job.The OWS people have policed their trash,but if there's nowhere to put it,and someone litters,fines are levied.A seemingly smart move by local authorities to squash the protesters.

A New Years celebration parade,World Series,Mardi Gras,car show,or even a political event, brings in business AND lawbreakers as well.Clean up is a disaster.Why and where is this any different?

A permit stands in the way of Democracy?With so many different complaints,there would be a never ending line to issue these permits.Maybe that's the answer.

The OWS movement is for the benefit of all people in this country,not the chosen few who frequent just the events mentioned.The other events don't benefit me,just this one.Think people,who's side you really are on,and who's rights are REALLY being stepped on..

For clarity:

The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The Constitution has a filter-down effect that also applies to all states and localities. If Congress is prohibites, all other governing bodies are also prohibited."

If you look up "abridging" you will find it means: "1) Shorten (a book, movie, speech, or other text) without losing the sense. 2) Curtail (rights or privileges)."

Using gas, water cannons, and potentially lethal force against people for "suspected unlawful tenancy" is a clear violation of the First Amendment. Any opinion to the contrary is idiotic.

And for @Tyler -----

Guy, have you people made the notifications that FaceBook is now mining NewsVine and selling the information to authorities? This started in London and has spread to New York, Oakland, Chicago and most probably others. FaceBook is actually selling the information about people using the social media and "affiliated sites" (which includes NewsVine) to the police and the information has already been used in Manchester, England to send numerous people to prison.

Chris,

When you quoted the first amendment, you mentioned the word peacably. Throwing rocks and bottles negates their first amendment rights. They are not being peacable.

I wasn't there during any of the crackdowns, however, it is my understanding that in Oakland, some of the people began to throw rocks, then the cops came in and began to make arrests. Well withing the legality of the constitution if that is the case.

As for Nashville, I completely disagree with most of the Wall Street movement, but I disagree with them making the curfiew law. However, that is also within their rights as a government to change laws. The people in those parks are allowed to speak and assemble, as long as there are no laws being broken.

If the park has posted hours or there is a law stating that parks close at dusk (for example), then after dusk, those people are breaking the law and can be arrested for trespassing. If they want to gather on a public area (like sidewalks or a lawn), they are welcome to.

In my opinon, peacable also means that a person is not breaking laws.

It amazes me just how clueless some of you are about the OWS movement. The banks successfully lobbied the government to remove regulations that protected America, and then they abused the system to enrich themselves leading to the crash of the real estate market followed by the economy.

Millions of Americans lost their income and their homes. When I hear some clueless person go on about how the OWS protesters need to get a job, I think it is time they got a brain. If the jobs were there, they wouldn’t be protesting

I am not asking the rich to give me anything for free. I just want back the $75,000 in home equity that was taken from me, and the six figure income I had as a contract television engineer/real estate developer. I moved out of my home two years ago and accepted a job earning less than half what I used to make just so I could put food on the table.

The only government assistance I have received is the IRS is allowing me to make payments with interest on part of my 2009 taxes for 3 years. There were no tax breaks for lost equity. There was no unemployment insurance that would have allowed me to stay in my home.

Two years later Bank of America still has not finished the process. They took possession of my home last May, but still have not told me if they are going to accept my offer of Deed-in-lieu or just foreclose. I just got my fourth “Workout Negotiator” this week.

While I struggle to pay taxes on an income I no longer have, I see the government giving money in battery rebates to people who can afford to buy a $40,000 hybrid car. It’s like some backwards Robin Hood story.

I don’t expect much understanding from bank investors, or renters whose jobs were unaffected. The system works for you. But those of you who lost your home equity or have lost your jobs, I would expect you to understand what OWS is all about.

It should be no surprise that the majority of the OWS protesters are young unemployed people. If I didn’t have to work to provide for my family, I’d be there too. I am grateful for these people. They represent people like me better than anyone I helped send to Washington.

You name callers are part of the problem. To claim month after month you don’t know what these people want only proves that you do not care what they want. The information is there if you only open your eyes and your mind. A crime has been committed and the only ones paying for it are the victims.

If you think you are going to change the world by voting for the choices the Republicans or Democrats present you in a system that requires our representatives to solicit campaign funds from the wealthy, you are sadly mistaken.

Those of you who think obeying a city ordinance is more important than our constitutional rights to peaceful assembly for the purpose of airing our grievances need to get a clue. Our rights have been chipped away by bureaucrats so much that we are subject to violence and arrest by our own police force for the crime of camping in the park!

Yes, we are afforded a right to protest and assemble, but not "anywhere anytime." Do you think I could camp out on the White House lawn and call it a "protest"?
Police and city officials have been VERY patient with the gang of OWS fools and whiners, but their aim is not to make their case, but to make a nuisance of themselves.

WeNeedReagan -

You sir, are exceptionally good at twisting the truth around to make it appear to mean something it doesn't.

You say the government is at fault for the housing bubble - I agree, but for very different reasons. You say the private sector is not at fault - I disagree.

You offer up the infallibility of the free market, then condemn the government for failing to enforce the regulations on that free market. If the free market worked as theorized there would be no need for regulations at all, much less bailouts. If it takes an economic crisis of this magnitude for the free market to regulate itself, then it is already too late and far too high a price.

Only one other time in US history have we faced an economic situation as grave as this - October 24, 1929. The government did as you would have had us do - nothing. They believed in the free market. After all, they had no reason to doubt it. For their faith, they received roughly a decade of unemployment at around 20%, massive deflation, 9000 bank failures, and a 50% reduction of international trade.

We, on the other hand, can not claim ignorance. Our Republican president at the time did the opposite of what his predecessor did some 80 years ago, he gave the banks everything they wanted. Now, whether his decision was right or wrong is not 100% clear. I personally believe there was a better way to manage the crisis, but what was clear was that he could not do nothing. We have seen where that road leads.

The government is at fault for repealing the regulations that would have prevented this crisis. It was a Democratic administration. The new Democratic party had jumped into the pocket of big business, following on the success of your namesake. Prior to the 80's and 90's, Democrats had stood for government regulation of the private sector - Ralph Nader comes to mind. However, the Democrats bought into the lie and were persuaded by campaign contributions from the same business they should be regulating. They let this happen (additional responsibility lay with the Bush administration for not fixing it when they had the chance). This begs the question: Who will regulate the private sector if Democrats or Republicans won't? The private sector answers: We will!

The government deserves blame, but not more so than the private sector. They claimed to be able to regulate themselves, that government regulations were unnecessary and restrictive (much as you claim). They have proven themselves false. Who will regulate the private sector if Democrats or Republicans won't? Answer: nobody.

Of course, there can be too much regulation - I will acknowledge that. Apologies for corrupting a famous quote but, pure capitalism is the worst economic model, except for all the others. However, I believe that we can improve on that model by adopting elements of socialism and government regulation. In fact, we already have. Many of the elements of our society that make us stand out in the world come from a blend of capitalism and socialism. Let's not move backward. A hybrid economic model based on capitalism and socialism seems best.

TYLER! Why was my comment (1.32)collapsed?
It was a simple question and nothing more? WTF?
Funny thing is, nobody has an answer!
All I wanted to know is what their demands are, JEESH!

I think that comments are usually collapsed when enough people vote it down. Meaning that they report it as No Value, Inflammatory, or Advertising.

It doesn't mean that there was anything offensive in the post, just that lots of people disagreed with it enough that they reported it and so it got cancelled.

Just read the post and you have nothing to worry about. It is just the wall street supporters trying to hide your post. Just like the wall street opposers try to hide other posts. It is the only way that the moderators have to try to keep converstations civil.

@PH-3046605

@NHLucky,

This is nothing like Egypt, Lybia or Syria. I've said it before and Ill say it again. Anyone who comparing Oakland or Nashville to the atrocities that happened in those countries are sorely mistaken.

In fact, your comparison is an insult to the many people in these countries who have suffered far worse treatment than some tear gas (for many, many years)....indignities that you could never even imagine being an American. You should be thankful for that.

If you want to do a comparison study, I suggest you go spend sometime in North Africa to learn what real tyranny is. When you are done, go visit the Sudan.

Anyone who is comparing what happened in Oakland to what is happening in Egypt, Syria, Lybia, etc. should be ashamed of and embarrassed by their ignorance.

Apparently you are not aware, or do not care to acknowledge, that the protestors of Tahrir Square in Egypt have themselves expressed the likeness of the OWS movement to their own movement. Here is a link to the letter if you haven't seen it yet.

So, before you try to speak for another country's protestors, try listening.

There is no one person that can truly speak for each person's reason for participating. Each one has been affected by a different aspect of the "Greed Machine". There are common themes however, that have come through as a result of extensive debates among the protestors. One such theme is a desire to remove corporate power from politics by removing access to corporate money by politicians. We, as a people have been conditioned to believe that you must have money to be in politics. This is simply not true - IF the system is changed. By removing profit from politics, only the people that have a sincere desire to move the country forward will delve into politics. Political ads should be free, and limited by frequency and quality of content. Wasting money on smear campaigns is futile. Only private donations excepted, and a limit on the dollar amount per private citizen. Career politicians will by nature, become extinct. Each candidate will have to hold a job, before AND after their service. There should be no one holding a public office that has not been an ACTIVE participant in the same social and economical system sustained by the people they represent.

WeNeedReagan,

The economy is not fixed, clearly. However, that doesn't mean it hasn't been getting better. The stock market has roughly doubled since its lowest point in 2008. Unemployment is steady - not good, but it could be worse. Unemployment is the slowest indicator to respond to positive economic factors because employers do not want to invest in new workers if they have to lay them off again in a matter of months.

Look at some graphs for the stock market during the great depression. It keeps getting worse and worse until around 1933. After 1933 we see improvement. I know the stock market isn't the best or only barometer of economic health, but I'll give credit where credit is due.

The fear that the government has created by convincing most people that the only way we can exist is with an ever-expanding government controlling everything we do.

I disagree with you here. I don't believe anyone serious is advocating an ever-expanding government controlling everything we do. Rather, they are advocating for responsible regulation of irresponsible business practices. I feel the fear coming from the other direction. They try to tell us that if we allow the government to regulate businesses, the next thing we know, we'll be living in Soviet Russia! The advocates of regulation don't have to spread fear, it is evident from our situation that regulation is necessary. It's the opponents of regulation who are spreading fear - fear that the government will somehow take over our entire lives.

I'd be careful about holding up pre-1913 business practices as the best economic model. Federal child labor laws weren't created until 1938 for crying out loud! Prior to 1938, such laws were declared unconstitutional because it denied the children their right to contract their own labor! I mean, that's really twisting reality, "We're doing this for the children, not for the businesses benefiting from low wages" (children got paid significantly less than adults). Not to mention it isn't even correct. Teddy and Taft busted those monopolies up pretty good before 1913. I bet those monopolistic tycoons were saying much the same thing you are. Free market, etc., etc.

Why on earth are you guys arguing with WeNeedReagan? Do you really think anything you write is going to somehow induce enlightenment?

It's like honking your horn in traffic. So maybe there is an idiot on the highway and you honk your horn at them. Did you honking your horn somehow make the idiot's IQ go up a few points? No, it didn't.

I'll argue with WeNeedReagan for the same reason I'll argue with you. I do believe that people can change their minds about controversial issues when presented with sufficient evidence - I have done it myself, many times.

In summation, I reject your cynicism. You have named yourself well.

HChris, you have had your mind changed many times?

Yes. I have held a position, on some controversial topic, and was convinced that the position I held was either wrong, or needed to be amended to fit new evidence or at the very least that the issue wasn't as black and white as I originally thought.

Honk.

Ah, trolls are different. Won't argue with a troll, only human beings.

Wow. Well can't say I didn't see that coming.

Yeah....perfect..."the government needs to go..."...shear genius. Let's not have any government whatsoever.

Well maybe we could change the status quo eh? Maybe quit letting lobbyist write the laws and hand them to congress. Drag some of those crooked bankers down to the court house.

They should be easier to find now that many of these urine-soaked tent encampments have decided to reduce the amount of food being served each day in an attempt to get the homeless people to stop hanging around for the free meals.

Can you provide a link to that? I haven't seen that in any of the OWS articles. And I try to read them all.

Tony: I think you meant to say "sheer genius". A shear genius is an intelligent barber.

Thanks Bob...my brother-in-law is a barber, but he's certainly not very intelligent. My "rampant corruption" is befouling my spelling.

Lamont - the medications are on the counter next to the kool aid. Put down the kool aid, pick up the meds.

Almighty...

I read two newspapers every morning...article about the food/homeless issue ran yesterday or today, in either the 'Hartford Courant' or 'Middletown Press' (Connecticut).

Sorry...I don't do links to something after I have read it with my own eyes.

Are San Diego and Oakland in the south? I'm confused... no, wait, you are.

Is this #2 thread about Nashville ?

"Lamont, you big dummy". lol

Liking Obama is one thing, but that is way over the top.

The TEAPARTY movement is about reducing all government power; not simply imposing republican values with more aggressive government power. The TeaParty movement is about freedom; not right wing tyranny.

No government - isn't that the GOP/Tea Party platform?

They want anarchy since they have enough money to buy themselves a personal army. Oh, that is what is called a War Lord, just like they have in Afghanistan.

But, the GOP/Tea Party doesn't want anyone else to cause anarchy, just them, hence the raids by the GOP controlled law army.

No JEM, the Tea Party is about right-wing tyranny. They only want freedom for themselves. Everyone else will be a slave.

Gee whiz, let me think, where else do governments attempt to break up demonstrations? Hmmm...

the judge released everyone jailed in Tennessee because they were not given adequate time to obtain permits.

They changed or wrote a new law? Which is it? What is the Law\Ordinance that was changed/wrote? Does this changed/wrote law actually exist or is it an urban rumor spread to foster outrage. Or, did the law always exist and the protestors didn't do their homework to figure out what they could or couldn't do. I agree with the general idea that the disparity in income and wealth in the US needs to be addressed. More importantly, corporate greed needs to be addressed. However, there are laws people, abide by them and you can peacefully protest for the next decade.

Sorry...I don't do links to something after I have read it with my own eyes.

Oh ok I'll just take your word for it then. I was interested in purchasing some property. You wouldn't happen to have any for sale would you?

They changed or wrote a new law? Which is it?

For three weeks they've sat up there and protested under no admonition whatsoever that they were violating state policy regarding camping out on Legislative Plaza or that they were committing a crime."

He said he understood that the state had changed its policy on Thursday, but "they (the protesters) have to be given the opportunity to comply with those rules."

It apears they changed it thursday and enforced it friday at 3am.

zoroaster

Those arrested were taken to Davidson County Night Court for booking, but were freed by Night Court Commissioner Thomas Nelson.

"You have no lawful basis to arrest and charge those people," Nelson said to state troopers.

"For three weeks they've sat up there and protested under no admonition whatsoever that they were violating state policy regarding camping out on Legislative Plaza or that they were committing a crime."

He said he understood that the state had changed its policy on Thursday, but "they (the protesters) have to be given the opportunity to comply with those rules."

I see these demonstrations as only a good thing.

Our government has gone wild, and no longer listens or cares about "we the People". Granted, the republicans basically show their cards with every decision made, and their supporters wear blinders because there is one subject or another that they agree with. But let me say, the democrats aren't much better, but the lesser of two evils in my eyes.

It's a shame that we must choose between the less of two evils, huh?

"We the People" need to start and continue to stand up against this bullsh!t, or we will soon be a 2 class society. If you are not in the top 1% or better, and nothing changes, keep kidding yourself that your children and grandchildren won't be corporate slaves one day.

TN is truly home of the confused citizens. They watch way too much Faux News down there and actually agree to get paid less and less each year, go without health care, and give huge breaks to the richest among them. They'll tell you why they won't take a raise if it means their owners will get less. They go to church on Sundays and thank God for life and Walmart. I'm really surprised there are Occupiers in TN, but proud there are still many who spreading the word of the U.S. Constitution.

And how about that judge. Kudos to him.

phillyfan,

The judge's comments would seem to imply that once given the opportunity to comply, this judge would find them guilty of disobeying that new law. He wasn't saying that the law violated their rights, only that they had not been given sufficient time to comply with new rules.

I don't remember any teabaggers arrested when they disrupted the town hall meetings. The first ammendment should apply to all. So should being arrested for being disrupting.

poor Tyler, working so hard to clean this up & keep it civil. I hope you get paid to Mod!

The police are defending the corrupt system because they are part of it. Even if a cop knows what they are doing is wrong, they dont care because they are only a cop for the retirement pension. Police are no longer people you can count on, no matter what city. If they were out protecting the camps, then all would be good. But to kick people out and arrest them because they are trying to make a statement that the country if fed up with the feds, its just wrong.

So when the TEA Party wants the US Gov't to follow the Constitution, that means they want no Gov't?

Funny, I thought the Constitution just limited Gov't authority to certain activities. Now the occupiers are saying the Constitution outlaws Govt?

Same people that want more Gov't regulations, but then won't even follow basic laws such as no public urination, throwing rocks/bottles at police, and no camping in downtown parks.

We are seeing the true face of the occupiers now. They want regulations on other people's behavior, but not their own.

They want taxes raised on other people, but not themselves.

They want to be able to break laws, but not face the consequences.

You have never been allowed to camp in any downtown public park. Otherwise the homeless would just take over the parks.

Heck, I could just drive an RV into Central Park and save alot on NY rent.

Face it, the occupiers are the problem, not the solution. They simply want to take what others have - like any common thief. Take away the jealousy and class warfare and redistribution just means taking what someone else has.

Joemike404, I fully understand that. I also understand that the US Supreme court would be the ultimate decision maker regarding the constitution and any violation thereof.

"I live in Nashville, they changed or wrote a new law so they could justify removing the OWS. I guess they think it superseeds the constitution...How ugly the government is...They (the government) need to go..."

They can write all the illegal laws they want, but it is still illegal under OUR Constitution, the highest law of this land. It just made them clearly actively Domestic Enemies of the USA.

We have all kinds of Domestic Enemy action throughout our time as a nation, including putting in the Federal Reserve. It doesn't matter how long they have been allowed to be there, they are still a criminal organization with NO Constitutional right to be here. Any amendment, law, etc that weakens or goes against the Constitution is illegal.

Domestic Enemies are those within our own government who pursue legislation and programs that are contradictory and/or against the powers and principles held within the US Constitution. They are the individuals who create laws/etc in a manner that goes against the Constitution's restraint on the three branches of our government; plus destroys or weakens the Rights of the people as guaranteed by the Constitution.

It is time to no longer allow the few to destroy our nation. They are currently illegally in power here and destroying our Constitution, our Nation, our Freedoms, our Lives and Livelihood more every day.

All three Branches of our government, the Military, all Law Enforcement, all Heads of the States, all federal employees are required to take an Oath to support and defend the Constitution and not an individual leader, ruler, office, or entity to get into the Office or Position they want; and they must keep it until they leave office to be able to stay in that position.

By not "Preserving, Protecting, and Defending the Constitution", this POTUS made himself a Domestic Enemy of the USA. Other things he has done while in office has made him a Traitor, and a Murderer under our laws, as is the VPOTUS and Holder, probably others.

By not "Supporting and Defending the US Constitution", the Senate, the Congress, and the judicial branches made themselves Domestic Enemies of the USA.

The Amendments/laws/etc in place that are going against or weakening the US Constitution are not legal unless we are no longer under the US Constitution.

Those who have taken an Oath and then enforce those Un Constitutional Amendments/laws/etc are made criminals.

It is time to get corruptness out of our government. Long Live the USA! Long Live the Constitution of the United States of America! Long Live our Freedoms!

"Joemike404, I fully understand that. I also understand that the US Supreme court would be the ultimate decision maker regarding the constitution and any violation thereof."

Not when the Justices of the Supreme Court itself are Domestic Enemies of the USA.

Domestic Enemies are those within our own government who pursue legislation and programs that are contradictory and/or against the powers and principles held within the US Constitution. They are the individuals who create laws/etc in a manner that goes against the Constitution's restraint on the three branches of our government; plus destroys or weakens the Rights of the people as guaranteed by the Constitution.

All three branches of our government, the Military, all Law Enforcement, all Heads of the States, all federal employees are required to take an oath to support and defend the Constitution and not an individual leader, ruler, office, or entity to get into the Office or Position they want; and they must keep it until they leave office to be able to stay in that position.

They are Domestic Enemies of the USA and no longer legally Supreme Justices, and we need to replace them with those who actually follow our Constitution.

Ryan - great post.

It really is sad. There is no real message here. How can this protest get support from Obama, David Duke, The Communist Party, The Nazi Party, etc?

They are getting support from people whose fundamental views are polar opposites. So what does that say for the message they are sending, or the clarity of the message they are trying to send.

What message do they send when the complain that the homeless are getting in line for their food? They don't want to share with the homeless because they are not supportive of the message; in other words - they aren't doing the work so why reap the benefits?

When conservatives complain about welfare programs, they are unamerican, racists, greedy, selfish. What does not sharing food with the homeless say about OWS protesters?

Another point - in Houston there was a lovely couple that would cook meals and bring them down to the city park to feed the homeless. They paid for everything, nothing came from the city/government. The local city administration had them removed because they didn't purchase the permit needed to give out food on city property, yet this same administration allows OWS to continue without permits. Kind of makes your head hurt.

they were not given adequate time to obtain permits.

Then they should have put their rally off until they got them.

He said he understood that the state had changed its policy on Thursday, but "they (the protesters) have to be given the opportunity to comply with those rules."

Nowhere in this entire article did anyone ever say they did not have the right permits! The state implemented a curfew on Thursday and on Friday morning at 3 am they enforced it! Even if they had a permit, which I dont know if they did or did not, it would not have mattered!

how about OWS being changed to Occupy a Work Station!

Kyot, you must have been living in a cave for the past month. Lots of the protesters do in fact have jobs so the whole "get a job" comeback is lame at best.

Knine, you've got some great posts here. I've only seen a few. It's unbelievable that a large majority of People don't know that Free Speech is not just simply a tit-for-tat gambit. But it is "Believable" once People start looking at what is really going on here and how so many People have been fraudulently misled (and shown, as here in this article) that they better believe it, or else. How many obviously don't get it that it's not a "Chicken or Egg" conundrum and that "The Constitution", and the RIGHT of the People, undeniably came first; (Way well before 2011); no tit-for-tat; no six ways "to" Sunday questioning; it's six ways "from" Sunday (The Constitution) questioning.

I saw a lot of other great posts on here, too. I hope I can get back to reply to some of them to give them their due credit and acknowledgement and great appreciation for them putting it out there.

how about OWS being changed to Occupy a Work Station!

We tried, but due to the job-creators (a.k.a the out sourcers) those workstations are now in countries like China and India.

John Doe... Great idea! The communists otherwise known as OWS should move there since they are so set against free enterprise and capitalism.

Oh and by "job" you mean the SEIU and other government employees... yeah, I knew that. I guess they still get paid as "no shows" ... crooked union has its bennies.

Probably never. People working hard don't have time for this nonsense -- they're at their jobs.

Curiously, do you even work or does you husband bring home enough from his corporate / financial job to afford vacation homes for every season?!

You sound like someone who hasn't worked a day in their life and just spouts regurgitated BS that you have no actual knowledge of.

Shhhh, Bloomberg is busy trying to grow a pair!

Madison: I thought Mayor Bloomberg was supposed to represent all the people, not just those that you agree with. They do in fact have a right to peaceful assembly. From what I have been able to make out of the videos I have seen are an overly zealous police force attempting to subdue those that are trying to exercise their first amendment rights. I would be just as incredulous to their actions had the police been in such strong support of the liberals and it was the Tea Party that was getting jack-booted.

Be very careful what you wish for. As you read through these threads, think about how many of those commenting are willing to subliminally forfeit their constitutional rights just because they might disagree with some particular group.

If you want to get these people to move, all you have to do is bring a Job Fair to their location. You will see them disappear in record time. I am not part of the 1%, but I am too busy working two jobs and taking care of my family to sit around and wait for someone to give me something I didn't earn!

Go Home! Take a Shower! Type up a resume! Get a Job!

So DKWOG.What are you going to do when you lose your 2 jobs or better than that your bosses decide that they are paying you way to much and are going to cut your medical and pay.What are you going to do.

I'll tell you want DKWog will do, he/she will go around and cut lawns or wash dishes or get a job at McDonalds. Oh, wait, everyone on his street has the same plan since they were laid off. Hmmmm, where can they find enough lawns to mow? McDonalds has a waiting list of 10,000 for the burger flipper job at his local store. Hmmm.....

dancebisqit- what a christian thing to say...pot meet the kettle

Yeah I think they should arrest all those bums.

We should only allow those tiny little tea party rallies. I mean thier so small they don't do any damage or generate any interest and are over so quickly. A few photo opps and done.

We have to get rid these OWS rallies because they represent too many people and they care too much oh and they are so messy. They are also so embarrassing to the tea party people make them feel so insignificant.. (roll eyes)

First of all, I work 2 jobs by choice to make a comfortable life for my family. How many children I have is certainly none of your business either. Spouting your foolish garbage about birth control and your hatred of religion should be kept to yourself or maybe you should ask your parents why they didn't use birth control before you were conceived.

As for me losing my 2 jobs, I don't see that happening, but if it did, I would certainly pound the pavement and use my resources to find another job. I guarantee that I would not be out of work for more than a month.

It is called "Drive", "Ambition" , "Self Respect" and all of those fun words and phrases that are used to describe a decent American.

Any time a society is forced to turn tear gas or water cannons on its young, it is a sign of major problems. I know, I was young once, in the 1960s. And there were major problems. Just like there are now. Perhaps there are those who just don't want to face up to the reality that in terms of income equity we are the same as Nigeria.

american#1/dancebisqit- i think you are both jealous because dkwog has a job and is providing for his family what an UN - American thing to do

dkwog, I commend your dedication and your work ethic. But how can you

1. Be sure that you would be able to find work if you lost your jobs, and

2. Be so sure that those who have been unable to find work aren't just like you? The average person is out of work for way more than one month these days, and it is NOT because they arent' trying to find work.

Just askin'

I don't understand the rules on this site. When do the PC police get involved? I didn't make any personal attacks on anyone. I simply asked the person who made a snide remark to me to ask his parents about the views they were spouting out. I bet if I said something bad about conservatives or Teapartiers, there wouldn't be a question about flagging my comments!

Get a blessed education you dolts. The unemployment rate for college educated individuals is still in the 4-6% range. Yes, in the global economy a high school diploma isn't enough anymore. Quite your liberal whining.

Take the dang entry level job as well. Work your way up the ladder. Stop expecting to keep up with the jones'. Stop expecting the tax payer to fund you stupid movement with porta-potties and police security. Fund you own dang movement you lazy bums.

Bloomberg and Jerry Brown are pretty much equals in the idiot class.

tyler.....( NEWSVINE ) Supercop.... I know i'm going to get in trouble for this, but your doing your job and trying to keep it clean.... but REALLY, LET US DECIDE!!!!!! Thats what we are complaining about !!!!!!! TOO MANY PEOPLE, TRYING TO CONTROL ON OUR RIGHTS.... Stop being a NANNY.......................

NHLucky- I appreciate what the unemployed are going through. I don't think it is easy to find a job in this market. I am one of the lucky ones. My comments were stated as a generalization of a lot of people, some of whom are friends of mine, that if the government is going to allow them to stay on unemployment, then they will accept it.

These people that are protesting are not looking for work. They are using an excuse not to work. What do they expect to receive from these protests? $50K+ jobs? Free healthcare? Student Loan forgiveness?

I do believe I would find a job within a month because I wouldn't pigeon-hole myself to one thing. If I had to stock shelves, flip burgers, cut lawns, shovel driveways, I would do it. I do have a family and I would do whatever it took to make sure I could provide for them.

Make sure Newsvine sees that I was sending out personal attacks on my post please.

Branden,

I will be sure to deliver your very kind message to the carload of well-off retirees that will be in my car on the way to our Occupy event tomorrow. This is about way more that some students you don't like the looks of. It is about all of us and the way Wall St. gets away with murder.

Probably it suits your argument better to try to ridicule OWS rather than to address the real concerns that we have. Don't like the message? Attack the messenger.

The Napoleonic we call a mayor here in NYC has said time and time again that as long as the protestors don't break any laws, they'll be left alone. Well, let's see...they're squatting in a park, they've held marches without the proper permits and blocked traffic, they're urinating and defecating in doorways (according to those who live and work within the boundaries of Community Board 1 in NYC, which is the zone where Zuccotti Park is located), they've injured police, and they've engaged in drug use. Hey Mayor Mikey...sound like a few laws are being broken. Don't stop with confiscating their generators and fuel...get them out of the park completely.

And for anyone here who's going to respond with the typical "let's see a link/proof of what you're saying," well, I'm ending my 10-minute break at work now and don't have time to lead you by the hand. Check out the websites for the NY Daily News, the New York Post, or any of the local news stations in NYC (7online.com, myfoxny.com, etc) and look for yourselves.

Well Said DKWog.....

We have to get rid these OWS rallies because they represent too many people and they care too much oh and they are so messy

I don't know about the messy part, but I do know that it is going to cost at least $450,000 to replace the grass and repair the landscaping they destroyed with their encampment here in L.A.

@Joe B: looked all over for any video or photographic evidence of protestors defacating, urinating or throwing bottles and/or rocks. None to be found.

These protestors have rights. The right to assemble, the right to petition government. Both guaranteed in the First Amendment to the Constitution.

The 14th Amendment precludes states and localities from divesting citizens of their rights, under the Constitution.

George Carlin is a spiritual Godfather to this movement. His bit on Ownership of America is enlightening and amusing. Check it out.

WWJD? I believe he would OWS

agree with lobolemuz. I have checked out the accusations that ows people are defacting, urinating, using drugs injuring police. I have NOT seen any proof in the pudding.

And for DKwog: how do you know that the protestors are not looking for work? Have you gone and interviewed ALL of them and in EACH state? I don't think so.

NHLucky, seriously, what's your message? Do you even know? Well off retirees, probably ticked off that the market is down and their 401Ks lost a ton in value. They don't dislike wall street, they just dislike that it's down. It's down due to government interference and remains down due to government interference. Listen, the list of demands I've heard are completely and utterly insane. I don't know if these demands speak for all the groups but you can't expect to be taken seriously when someone throws out a $20 minimum wage.

Secondly, what has wall street gotten away with? If it has anything to do with the finacial crisis we are in here's a clue-- THEY DIDN'T GET AWAY WITH IT!!! We all know about it. You got a beef, take that up with the government that didn't prosecute those that should have been. The problem isn't wall street, the problem is the gutless politicians/prosecutors.

So, briefly NHLucky, state your message. What is your goal?

Branded: Why are people upset? Because there are so many obtuse people out there who conveniently forget the deregulatory atmosphere, the unethical decisions, the rampant greed, that lead to the Thrift Crisis in the 80's and again to the collapse of the global economy in '07. Don't you remember? Then the Greenspan, Paulson, Bush bailout, the TARP? Neurons firing yet? Then the haughty bonuses, as though they deserved recompense for almost blowing up the world? Bank card debit fees after we bailed them out? Laying off workers after we bailed them out? The list goes on and on; these are just the beginning of what popped into my head. I am sure if you put your mind to it, you can probably think of a few. WWJD? OWS. Shalom. Semper Fi.

ever watch a movie call the grapes of wrath.the rich have always controlled the government and they always will.when threatened they call on the police to protect their interests and the people get beaten into submission.id like to see our government represent all the people not just the rich.but i think ill see pigs fly before that

Not if you spray it with a water canon.

LOL!!

Water hoses now? Isnt that what they did to the civil rights protestors back in the day? Man, more. Things change, the more they stay the same.

No, the water hoses will be just after the attack dogs. That way the cops can was away any blood or dog poop.

Nothing has changed. It's just old tricks with new adaptations.

Marie Antoinette thought she was safe.

Comparing OWS protesters to civil rights protesters? Really?

No, I'm comparing the actions. Wow, Try to keep up now, its not that difficult.

yabecoo, I think comparing the OWS to civil rights protesters is accurate. They were/are protesting inequality in our system. Once it was a racial issue, now its a matter of how much money one has to buy the system. It is still inequality and it still needs to be addressed.

agree with ross: yabecco just does not like OTHER people to express their views, only hers counts. I grew up in the 60's and remember the protests. I back them 100% It is in our constitution and the states can't override our constitution, but they sure are trying!

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
Mahatma Gandhi

That pretty much sums up whats been happening here. Looks like they're on stage 3

You forgot Gandhi's famous stage 5:

"They shoot you in the head and you die"

NuffSnuff: Well said.

Whether I agree with what the OWS group is attempting to do or disagree with it, that is irrelevant. The important factor that is playing out here is the strength of the Constitution. These people have the right to assemble peaceably. Any efforts made by the local authority to stifle their First Amendment rights is shameful at the very least.

We The People - must be able to see the forest for the trees. Do not lose sight of that which is most important.

Why are the Tea Party members not on this thread screaming in outrage. They should be supporting the rights of those to assemble. Isn't that what being a Tea Party member is all about? Total subscription to the Constitution and limited federal government?

This is an issue where the ACLU and the leaders of the Tea Party should be in lock-step harmony.

Do you agree or disagree?

We are lacking a lot here in America, but we are plentiful in those who hide in the bushes and grin while taking cowardly potshots at any attempt to clean some of the filth off our country's controls.

actually enuf.The states will bow to thier masters and call in the national guard like always.It's how through US history they stop what they don't want to see.

Our "press" seems to only report the wish lists of the OWS protesters with agendas similar to the communists. Those with saner wish lists are not getting enough attention.

so you saying coal miners who fought for safer conditions better pay for a dangerous job are communist? Next.

Please people, stay strong. It's time to take our country back from a socialist and greedy government.

You're at the wrong protest Bagger. You're looking for the little old ladies in the big ole hats.

I'm a little old lady and I will be Occupying tomorrow. All old ladies are not the same, you know!

I thought that's what OWS was about? To destroy Obama and the Goverment for making Wall street so poweful for receiving political contributions?

I will tell you that I support the Occupy Wall Street groups right to free speech.

I do not support them when they state they want to over throw the Government, Destroy public property, deficate in and on public property.

I do not support the demand that the tax payers support them in their rantings.

A retired teacher stated that he thought the Government should fail, I wonder who is going to pay his $7k a month retirement if the Government fails.

nac5660, you almost got it right. It is to destroy those who have made Wall Street and the wealthy way too powerful; allowing them special privileges. Both parties are responsible, but right now it is the Republicans who are pushing this agenda the strongest. Oh, and yes, I know you said what you said tongue in cheek.

I don't think Jesus would be walking around with a cardboard sign that proclaims "Eat The Rich".

@tony...

Many can see how the rich have been literally and figuratively eating the poor and middle class for quite some time!

Many people of faith are in solidarity with a movement...

And many are not!

And many are not!

I guess that would depend on how you do math.

People of faith don't generally have a grasp of reality anyway.

Wanna2Know...What "literally" means? You are suggesting that some (or any) rich people are actually cannibals?

Amen! Great post!

tony - i seem to recall hearing something about Jesus kicking the money changers out of the church. I think that, yeah, actually he would wear a sign saying "eat the rich".

wanna...

The "poor" should be thanking the "53%" of Americans...including the "rich"... who pay federal taxes and everyelse who pays state and local taxes since about one out of every five tax dollars in this country are spent on dealing with issues related to the "poor".

Then there are those like spider who PRETEND to be of faith, but whose words and actions say otherwise. Just like their pathetic party hiding behind God....... who by the way knows and will deal with you accordingly.

The "poor" should be thanking the "53%" of Americans...including the "rich"... who pay federal taxes and everyelse who pays state and local taxes since about one out of every five tax dollars in this country are spent on dealing with issues related to the "poor".

I wonder just how many of those dollars are going to our military and to military and economic aid to foreign country's?

I know at least 4 billion of those tax's dollars goes to companys making almost a billion dollars a week. I guess they should be thanking them as well.

tony-268769

wanna...

The "poor" should be thanking the "53%" of Americans...including the "rich"... who pay federal taxes and everyelse who pays state and local taxes since about one out of every five tax dollars in this country are spent on dealing with issues related to the "poor".

Give the farce up. Poor people pay a disproportional amount of their earnings in taxation in sales tax. The "poor folk boogeyman" needs to be retired.

I'm embarrassed to share a tax bracket with whiners like you.

It is not the "Rich" who wrecked our economy; it was our government. CEO's like Steve Jobs GRHS are what made our country rich. Government officers at the Federal Reserve and SEC are what is driving the American people to poverty.

Stop blaming the "Rich" for the sins of the STATE

Matthew 19:23-24

And the 53% should be thanking the poor for being the 1st to step up and volunteer to join the military, in the hopes of improving their social and economic status in this country. While the " 53% sit back, along with the rich " and pay for junior to go to colledge and avoid service.

The poor are the first to spill their blood dealing with issue's concerning the rich man's wars.

Actually, JEM, it is the "rich" at the big investment banks who pushed bad investments, along with the stooges they paid in the government who trashed the economy. Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, the folks at Google and a number of others did innovate and improve the US economy.

Anyone who thinks OWS is just class warfare against the rich has not been paying attention or else is stupid. It is the excessive greed and "rigging the game" by certain of the rich and the folks they paid off in the government who are the problem. Just being rich isn't the issue.

Many people of faith also advocate granting sanctuary and amnesty to illegal immigrants, so I don't put much faith (pun intended) in things that a lot of "people of faith" say...and I myself am a baptized Catholic.

Time for truth, Tony:

Please reveal exactly how you got the figure of 53%/47% on how many pay or don't pay federal income tax. You do realize that the statistic doesn't include any other taxes like sales taxes, gas taxes, cigarette taxes, alcohol taxes etc, right?

Where did you get that number? How was it calculated?

How many of the 47% who pay no federal income tax are under 18 or over 65?

How much do the earners who pay no tax make per year? How many of them work for GE? (Just kidding, couldn't resist)

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

NHL, he said specifically "federal income tax." Logic would tell you that this doesn't include sales tax, gas tax, etc., since those are not income. But hey, why let logic get in the way of a good rant, right?

Thanks, Joe. I was just trying to emphasize that there are other taxes, that's all.

My question still stands as to where those numbers come from and how they are calculated.

It's pretty easy to sling a statistic like that around without really knowing what it means. For example, how many of that 47% are either children, students, or elderly? Or, was the number calculated by some formula that approximates the number of people living in a household and multiplies by the number of returns filed with no tax due? In other words, are we talking about hard data or not?

Oh, and Joe, he actually didn't say specifically "federal income taxes."

wanna...

The "poor" should be thanking the "53%" of Americans...including the "rich"... who pay federal taxes and everyelse who pays state and local taxes since about one out of every five tax dollars in this country are spent on dealing with issues related to the "poor".

So, technically, the federal portion of the gas tax, say, is a "federal tax."

If you want to be technical.

These protestors have rights. The right to assemble, the right to petition government. Both guaranteed in the First Amendment to the Constitution.

The 14th Amendment precludes states and localities from divesting citizens of their rights, under the Constitution.

George Carlin is a spiritual Godfather to this movement. His bit on Ownership of America is enlightening and amusing. Check it out.

WWJD? I believe he would OWS

Another PRETENDING to be something they are definitely NOT. You are all so sad we pray for you.

Most people already do: OWS is a real grassroots movement and the tea party is a phony, bankrolled astroturf movement.

Get a job?
When the true unemployment rate is near 18%.
You are the problem.
And completely out of touch

That is what the protests are about. Rampant corruption and incompetence.

Here is an good article for you sir,

http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/tea-party-wants-same-1210273.html

Then let's work together to get rid of our failed 'leadership'.

Vote them out next November.

The goal of the current administration is to get as many people dependent on Government as possible.

That's not the way it's supposed to work.

The goal of congress is to destroy america just to get make Obama a one term president. They've been quite open about it too.

Bob...

You are "rampantly corrupt" and the cause of all the world's problems. Congratulations man...that's a lot of power to carry on one man's shoulders, but you seemed to have destroyed the planet splendidly !

Tony, ouch...that stings! I guess I am corrupt because I work for a living and pay taxes to support your unemployment benefits. You have to admit, you love those checks and take them to the same corrupt banks you are protesting!

Vote them out next November

And vote who in? Name me one elected person who has not lied to get elected.

Tony, ouch...that stings! I guess I am corrupt because I work for a living and pay taxes to support your unemployment benefits.

Well Bob you have to hold a job to get unemployment. And here is the shocker, you pay into unemployment so you can draw it when your laid off, because the company only made 20 million dollars profit and not 25 million.

By the way I get no unemployment nor do I get and government help. I certainly do not begrudge people that do. That's what it's for, and a simple turn of events could put you in those shoes as well.

Bob...

You read me wrongly...I too am "rampantly corrupt" and also a source of the world's problems.

And those "taxes" you wrote about...I pay far too many of those for the benefits provided.

And I like the bank I have used for 30 years !!!

Tony..Sorry, I thought I was the only one here who was so corrupt that I actually kept my money in those evil, corrupt banks who pay me to keep it there and give me the loans that I pay back!

Bob you most likely paid them money they never had. You are aware of fractional lending aren't you?

It's called fraud and scams when any one but a bank does it.

Governments have been corrupt since ancient times. Wasn't Jesus nailed to a cross by a corrupt government? If it wasn't for Romans 13, Christianity would be a far more productive force and the world would be a better place

Tony and Bob,

Sometimes it is just easier to attack, when that is what your desire is. Now you can tag team!

Glad you have found each other.

Peace

LOL bob and tony, Take that act on the road. "Waaaah it's obamas fault"

And the home of the brave.

And the home of the slave.

TFTFY

The only ones who are whining are the entitlement crowd.

The fallacy of the '99%' is being carried by the media.

The 53% who are actually producing and paying taxes won't put up with these bums much longer.

Bring it, loudmouth.

Hahahahaha; I think there will be plenty of po-po bringing it yabecoo. Have fun in the pokey.

Steven...

Thanks for clearing things up for me. I am not one of the evil and despised "1%"...but I am insulted that these tent-people think I belong to the "99%" they claim to represent, when not peeing in an alley or behind a bush.

I'll make a cardboard sign that states "I Am The 53%".

Maybe all of us 'fiftythreers" should get out there and form our own protest.

All these protesters have is a common hand out. They expect you to give to them, because they think things are 'unfair'.

Time for these people to grow up and deal.

Steven..

So....I'm guessing you don't agree that all student loans should be forgiven ???

Man...you are harsh. What about the $20 minimum wage...I bet you disagree on that too !

Life's starting line seems too difficult and needs to be moved for our current generation. Could they possibly see that most were in their place at one time in their lives starting out with these same difficulties. Do they not know this is not the first time this country has suffered in bad times.

@Steven, Tony, et. al.

I'm firmly in the 53%. I have a decent, though not great, job. I struggle to pay bills, but I don't expect an entitlement.

What I do expect? A level playing field. A country where those with the biggest bank balances cannot buy laws favorable to them, and unfavorable or unfair to the rest. Money and religion do NOT belong in politics - both must be removed if America wishes to see a future for her sons and daughters.

THAT is why I support OWS. Go ahead, lambast me - do your worst. Here's the thing that should scare you: when those with moral fiber have finally had enough, there will be hell to pay.

This to Steven B.You have no fricken idea of what you're blathering about.

Comment 1.The only ones whinning are the entitlement crowd.

Comment 2.All the protesters have in common is a hand out.

Comment 3. They expect you to give to them because it isn't fair.

Well Stevie here's my answer to you! BULL SH IT!

By the way Stevie I'm working and paying taxes also.

That's right. The people cheering this on don't realize, that sooner or later is will bite them on there arse. I'm betting on sooner rather than later.

Bad laws normally take a long time to show themselves. It is the children of those cheering who will pay the price.

really? protesting poor government policy is foolish and pointless?

Oh, sorry. I thought they were protesting the "1%". Whatever, I guess.

Then why aren't ALL of these idiots in D.C. where our President resides? Maybe because he and his union backes are organizing this embarassing display of ignorant fools that have no central cause, no spokesperson and not one of them will give you the same answer when asked why they're out there.

Please watch this short video: Goggle:

The No I idiot of occupy wall st

This is what they all look and sound like. This is what others are seeing. Please view; it's great.

Then why aren't ALL of these idiots in D.C. where our President resides?

It seems to be having a much better effect right where there at. Would not agree?

Not to mention the people protesting probable don't have the cash to fly drive or even walk to D.C.

I believe that's part of the protest, every dime you make goes to the bills and you still come up way short. While banks are to big to fail, the American people are not.

We kmow who started the violence. It wasn't the protesters.

@Still Working

Be glad you're working. That could change in a instant. And then the only sympathizers you'd find would be the OWS group. Everyone else will look at you as a dead-beat bum.

Try to have some perspective.

What's the matter, are you afraid of change? People are being hurt every day. Don't you think it is time to stand up to injustice? I gave up 3 1/3 years of my life to protect you as a veteran of Vietnam. Time civilians get to see some of the horrors of real life. Be a part of it. Take a stand. Liberty is not free. Ask any veteran. Scott Olsen - get well soon, brother.

Rocky racoon: agree. Scott Olsen served our country and came home. He can home and found himself having to stand up for his and our rights, here in America. He again fights for justice and fairness. How sad that this came to be. God Bless Scott Olsen.

well said. these people are the ones being affected by poor government miss management and policy. people will eventually have enough of caring inept politicians and their rich friends.

I second that, very well spoken. And you right wing teabaggers need to come out from the bubble of right wing la la land and understand that in the real world, the middle class is getting screwed because of these big business idiots you voted into power. If you're rich, hey at least you have an excuse to be against the protesters. But if you're not, you're incredibly stupid and naive to think these republican nitwits care one bit about you or your familes or jobs. They are interested in money over country and their own humanity. So keep being the seals arfing for a fish while they get rich and cut off social services. Or maybe when one of your homes is on fire the fire department won't put it out because they're understaffed. Thanks to budget cuts to infrastructure and tax breaks to the rich. Yeah, keep on yacking your nonsense but in the end, you're just a bunch of fools. Either be a part of the solution or shut up, period.

There is this old saying that may may make a come back. "Lead , follow or get out the way!"

This is how change happens and it is odd to see the reactions against it are nearly identical to the ones in the 60's. I'm sure someone will start spouting off about a "silent majority" any time.

The "silent majority" is the "53%".

I am one of the 99% in the Occupy Seattle protest. I remain steadfast under any and all duress!

Sure has been a lot of change, hasn't there. After all this time. We are seeing the protesters for what they are. They have no leaders, no goals, just making a nuisance of themselves for the working people. That Obama and the gang are supporting them is not going unnoticed by the American people.

Tip to the OWS's...get off the streets and organize, then make a difference in the upcoming elections. This street theater is not going to get the job done.

Wally-1853299 - rather than your ridicule and 'quarter-backing' from what you're seeing on the tube, how's about some intelligent contributions for the cause?

(Referencing the Constitution would be a great start.)

Tony, that 53% is a figmation of your imagiment. It's like the easter bunny or the second coming...

.....but aren't the policemen commie, socialist, union, scum too, just like firemen and teachers and most defense workers?

Waiting for the snow to hit NYC this weekend. Then we'll see a park full of poopscicles.

The only way that could happen is if teabaggers occupied NYC parks this weekend.

Enough with the childish "teabagger" crap. I'm guessing the only ones who want to use that term have a fettish for the actual act.

Graceland is in Memphis--not Nashville.

Thanks. Then I'll cancel my trip to that grand old opry.

You're welcome. I wouldn't want you to get lost.

Dude, seriously - just cancel your trip to TN all together, especially if you're anything other than rich white bread. You can thank me later.

If you're not rich white bread and you still go - well, don't call me for bail money.

(TN resident for 10 years; left march of this year - best decision ever!)

You see exactly what you want to see.

Keep trash-talking cops... until you need one.

Pfft. Go to work.

@!$%# that. I never trusted a cop. You can wait for hours for one to show up while someone is breaking into your house and raping your wife and daughter, i choose to defend my own.

In my experience, police officers have been nothing but professional. I guess my opinion is skewed because I tend to follow laws.

TheBMOC, I obey the laws too. And i support cops that do their job professionally. But when their strings are being pulled by the government, they are no longer cops but mercenaries.

skewed because you are a blind to anything outside of your little circle. it doesnt take a law breaking citizen to see the corruption and abuse in the police force. no its not all the cops, but it happens and its statements of ignorance like yours that just really piss some people off, disappoint others, and downright shame others who actually choose to acknowledge the realities of their fellow americans whether it directly affects them or not.

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You see exactly what you want to see.

Keep trash-talking cops... until you need one.

Pfft. Go to work

Though I show respect for the police, I find it to be only in order to not have them pull a power trip and threaten me with harassment/arrest. It is not a game I see as a choice. He/She with the Gun and Badge makes the Rules up as they feel quite often.

Fifty years old, and I have NEVER had the need for the cops. Reported a wallet theft as well as having later tracked down the user of the stolen credit cards and the cops said they couldn't do anything to help, despite concrete proof in hand and an address of the thief using them.

I took care of it myself with a few friends.

Pfffft to your statement. I have a job, and am a responsible adult, but have seen Police Brutality several times in my life, and it ain't pretty. I also have a gun, which I have used to successfully defend my self and property, WHILE a crime was under way. Only called the cops to tell them which way he ran and a description. I could easily have shot him, but did not wish to get the Police that involved, due to previous experience mentioned above.

Stop making 'felonious' statements.

fe·lo·ni·ous

(f-ln-s)
adj.
1. Law Having the nature of, relating to, or concerning a felony: felonious intent.
2. Archaic Evil; wicked.

Peace

NWA=FTP

lol dave. Exactly what i was thinking.

To BMOC, Keep trash talking cops until you need one.There's an old saying sir or madam,and here it is.

WITH FRIENDS LIKE THAT WHO NEEDS ENEMIES.I think that applies to these kind of Gooney Cops also!

TheBMOC, I see what you don't want to see, take off your muddied goggles look in the mirror and with a hand on your heart you will see too. This is the epic battle of Globalization. Yes that's the word. Corporate globalization took off some years ago, it led to greed and more power for the 1 percent. You don't need X-ray vision to see what I see today as the People's globalization of the 99% to fight the greed, the inequality and injustice that has spread like a virus through the corporations and has infiltrated the people's structures of freedom and the inane minds of the weak, in particular the right wing.

We don't thrash-talk cops who we employ to protect the people, its the renegade cops who have been corrupted by the evils of money and who need to be thrashed.

And pfft, I have been working successfully with my own efforts and dignity in my own business, and will continue to protect the 99%. I salute the 99! Mind you its not the 9-9-9 you will, I suspect, detract and misinterpret my response as.

The troops will be here soon, we shall overcome the injustice. Truth prevails.

interested observer says: " Time to return fire on big business."

Now, this is where the people can find power. We may not have much money as individuals, but, collectively, we control lots and lots. Netflix and BofA are realizing that their arrogance is costly. Netflix has lost over 800,000 customers so far and more leaving everyday. The rich have ruined many lives while they themselves get bailed out. While they receive bonus's for turning the world economy upside down. Let's just "occupy" our money. This looks like a good weekend to stay home and do a puzzle.

And let us find a puzzle made in America!!!!!

In Nashville they'll use horses (probably in NYC as well) and helicopter-borne police sniper's from Serpas' private air force.