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As in the Troy Davis case in Georgia, state-sanctioned killing is simply wrong and does great harm to our reputation in the international community. It is not a deterrent to crime and costs more than keeping a person in prison for life. Duh............Just sayin'.
Obama/Biden2012.
The sad part is it should not cost more than life in prison. With DNA testing now most cases can be pretty open and shut. There is no reason someone should sit for over a decade on death row.
I agree, Jeremy. So light him up already!
You wouldn't feel the same way if your family member was the VICTIM (the man you apparently forget about.) Where's Jimmy Carter for this one???? You would be an Obama supporter. Your "morals" are really screwed up.
Thanks, Bob. It's nice being popular.
I have no problem with the death penalty. Fire up "Old Sparky."
Kill all three of them. Shyt like this needs to be stopped and these kind of hateful people should be forbidden to breed. Hateful SOB's, injection is too easy. Chain their sorry arses to a bumper and kill them just like they did byrd. Rest in HELL.
I'm an Obama supporter.
See ya Lawrence. You too Troy.
Jeremy,
The sad part is, something like this happened in the 1st place
The only reason it cost more is that bleeding heard liberals such as yourself cause the courts to drag out these executions for decades. Just like Troy Davis the cop killer, that has been on death row for 22 years. Good by to the both of them. Rot in hell!
OK, the death penalty may not deter a future crime committed by somebody else, but it sure does deter that criminal from ever murdering again.
I'm with Glenn D. Oughta drag all their a$$e$ to death, but that would be cruel and damned unusual punishment. But then again, they didn't give a hoot in hell how cruel and unusual they were to the poor guy they killed now were they?
gene-
A favorite author of mine once said " It isn't really punishment unless it's cruel or unusual."
I'm with you.
Note there are none of those libs standing in line to get the white racist off. With that said, go ahead and pull the switch.
I'm as liberal as they come in most things, yet I believe in the death penalty if they are sure the guy is guilty.
I guess i don't look at it as justice, or revenge or as a deterrent for all the murdering individuals may still on the outside. To me it's just culling the herd.
In my mind, there really shouldn't be such a thing as life in prison where they will never be a productive individual again. They shouldn't be treated mean, they need to be cared for until they are put down. They should be put down humanely.
Perhaps due to my background (i'm a livestock farmer) I'm pretty callous about the whole thing, but it makes no sense to me to spend bundles of money on these individuals who will never give back and can never redeem themselves for the lives they take. It actually seems more cruel to keep them alive.
If the system is so expensive that it costs more to go to trial than it does to keep them alive for the price of 2 average family incomes for 40-60 years, then it seems to me it's the system that needs to be changed.
It does not cost more to execute someone than it does to keep them in prison for life. That's just a myth and I`m surprised people are still playing that card.
The death penalty may or may not be a deterrent but the one thing it defiantly is, it`s a guarantee that the person will never get out of prison and commit anymore crimes.Some cases are so heinous that nothing short of a guarantee is sufficient.
Byrd's body was left in front of a black church. The trio doing the killing were 'just having them some fun.' Byrd's autopsy indicated that he was conscious and attempting to relieve the pressure from being dragged. His body swung across the road as he was being dragged and as he was being drug into a ditch, his body struck a culvert, severing his left arm under the armpit and diagonally across, also removing his neck and head.
After removing the body and leaving it in the road, one of the happy trio noticed that there was blood in and on the truck and chain. The chain was dumped in a neighbor's shed and the truck taken to a car wash. They neglected to wash the underside of the truck.
Yeah, due process f*cking sucks. Let's just do away with courts altogether and execute people on principal.
With that out of the way, I can't say I'm going to lose any sleep over Brewer's departure from this world. Good riddance. May this provide some consolation to the family and friends of Byrd.
The cost of life imprisonment versus the death penalty largely depends on the age of the criminal at the time they're incarcerated and how long he/she lives once the jail term has begun. If you compare convicts of a similar age/similar life span, the death penalty actually DOES cost more in the long run.
I hope people that disagree with the death penalty change their mind, in my state I have not doubt he go straight to the electric chair. No reason to keep him alive, his live is worthless. F@#% about the world reputation who they are to judge our actions.
Now why would you want to kill a person who could be a top aide for Perry?
This white supremacist should have been executed 13 years ago, or whenever the trial took place. It only costs more to execute a prisoner than to jail him because of the bleeding hearts who have no compassion at all for the victim. There is no doubt at all in this case as to who committed the crime and never has been. Appeals have been a waste of taxpayers dollars and time. Kill this creep as soon as possible.
As for Obama/Biden. Haven't they done a magnificent job. Who wouldn't want more of this. If Obama gets re-elected, there will be no USA at the end of his second term. States will try to pull away from the union, unemployment will be 30% or more and our dollar will be worthless. If you do not believe this, you have not been paying attention.
Pro life, pro death penalty - how can you people be both and then show up to church on Sunday?
I am not a supporter of the death penalty. Simply because it is wrong to kill. Having said that, I would kill someone without hesitation to stop them if they were in a murderous rage and that was the only way they could be stopped. Once the individual is subdued, convicted, in prison and harmless, there is no reason to kill him or her.
Being in prison is the worst thing imaginable. One would have to spend one's time there with people like oneself. That would really suck puss dripping donkey dick.
How can you be pro choice and against the death penalty??? I don't think that babies have a choice???Do you??
Actually, it's pretty easy. You should try it. No qualms whatsoever when this guy (or Davis for that matter) doesn't wake up tomorrow.
Ok Zorra
You want to make this political, let me tell you this, Democrats Governors want to give the right to vote to people in prison. Guess who is going to get the votes
It would be a deterrent if used on a timely basis. It would also reduce costs, if that is a concern to you.
Anyone but Obama/Biden 2012
Yeah, this is what's damaging our reputation in the international community.
Aldo
I think you misunderstood my post if you were referring to me?? I am referring to the lefties that want to kill babies and save death row scum..2morrow they will both be gone I hope..
You had me, right up until the Obama/Biden 2012 line. I wish I could take back that thumbs up I gave you.
It's shocking to see that anyone is still falling for this nickel-and-dime huckster's game.
I don't think State/Federal sanctioned killing hurts our reputation in the International Community or anywhere else. Giving Society the opportunity to have these (so called men) meet their maker as quick as possible gives many of us a warm feeling inside.
John 8
1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
11 “No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
itgranny-
You actually make some really good points on this subject. If a prisoner has no shot at parole, if they will NEVER be a productive member of society- why keep him/her alive to waste their days out behind bars, bleeding the coffers of the state. If there is a glimmer of hope of seeing the light of day outside the walls- then by all means- let them exhaust all recourse.
I am pro-life, and pro death penalty. YES- you can have both- reason is that innocent babies have no choice- adults do.
As to this case- Hang 'em High and Shoot 'em Low! These guys are monsters and need to be put down!
I have to agree with mr Davis and Gene on capitol punishment, make it fit the crime
I just want all of you who are against the death penalty in this case to think about how you would feel if this was your FATHER, SON. BROTHER or HUSBAND.....
I have been there, and if he took a life or helped one be taken then he should get the harshest penalty available.....
Forget the drugs and just use a truck and a logging chain so that his last memories will be what he did to someone else.....
Don't start whinning about cruel punishment because he wasn't worried about Mr Byrds treatment.....
It would be a very cost effective deterrent if the entire sentence was concluded in three years or less no exceptions. The death sentence should be broadened to include child molesters, armed robbers,& aggravated rape too.
Anybody but Obama/Biden 2012
The death penalty is not meant to be a deterrent - there are some crimes that are so horrific that death is the correct punishment.............Just sayin'
For Hilo. So the issue you try to bring up is an emotional one and one can quite easily take the other side with another case.
Let's say instead of an open and shut case we have one that could very well be a case of mistaken identity. It's quite interesting that both this case and the one in Georgia are happening at the same time. One is a pretty clear cut case of guilt without remorse but the other is a case where several of the witnesses for the prosecution recanted their testimony.
My issue with the death penalty is this. If you allow it in one form for the "most heinous crimes" you can think of, it will eventually be used for other things where the case of guilt or innocence isn't as clear as you would like for a death penalty case. I give you the Georgia case as well as the recent illinois death penalty cases as examples of how something that you consider a good thing in this case can be grossly misused in another one. The price of an innocent person being on death row and executed is far to high to allow it's use in this society. The price we pay for the possibility of an innocent person being put to death is not worth the satisfaction of killing someone you're certain is guilty.
Here's an example for you to ponder and illustrate the point. Let's say we have a bus full of death row inmates of the quality of Lawrence Brewer. Is it acceptable to blow up the bus killing them all along with the bus driver? You could bring up case after case of all the victims that we're now caring about by putting an end to the bus full of monsters. But, I would have to ask, what about the family of that one bus driver? Tell me, is putting him and his family through that death worth the satisfaction of killing the rest of them? If you answered no to that question, then you can't really justify a death penalty because you never have had and never will have a flawless justice system.
Lethal injection My Arse, cruel and unusual punishment My Arse!!! They should all ride the lightning fire up old sparky or at-least be hanged right in the middle of the public plaza where everybody can see and learn the lesson... By the way I'm a democrat not a Liberal but above all I'm anti Tea-Publican with that said, "Hang E'm high"
For rightwingnut. You do realize that people have been released from death row well over a decade after being put on it right? You do realize that there have been cases of mistaken identity where it took 10-20 years of time for people to figure out that the person they had on death row wasn't the right person? Is it ok just to kill off all them innocent people so that you can get the one you're sure is guilty quick enough?
@Imatthebeach,
Really now, does it matter what this does to our reputation in the "international community"? What about justice for a brutal killing? I would rather know criminals have to face the consequences of their actions than know that someone in France thinks a little bit better of me because we don't have the death penalty.
If you want to get political I find it hilarious that Obama has like a 90% approval rating in Europe and 40% in the US. That should tell you all you need to know.
Of course it's a deterrent. Lawrence Brewer can never, ever, kill again.
Some crimes are so heinous nothing less than the death penalty will suffice. This is one of those. Good riddance, I just wish all 3 were going bye-bye.
On the political side subject on this thread, my apologies people, I voted for Obama/Biden in '08. I'd hoped they'd reign in medical premium costs, but no, my health care costs more now AND the countries gone to @!$%#. I'm with the other posters saying anyone but Obama/Biden for 2012.
I just can't believe they would execute this poor man. He made a mistake he
shouldn’t die for it. He was just misguided and needed someone to help him in
life. Maybe he didn’t have a dad growing up or he was abused as a kid. So you
just kill him. What a shame.
rightwingnut69: I completely agree with you, pedophiles, rapists and that sort of scum has no reason to consume the oxigen that other good human beings could use for themselves... With that said, Obama/Biden 2012-2016!!!!!!!!!!! No more obstructionists, no more teabaggers.
The difference between this case and the Davis case is that there was physical evidence linking these guys to the crime. There is no physical evidence linking Davis to the crime he was convicted of, they never found a weapon and 7 of the 9 eyewitnesses have recanted their testimony. One of the two that did not recant is the guy who turned him in - Sylvester Redd Cole. That guy was also at the scene of the crime and owned a gun of the same type that was used to kill the police officer. He alleged that he gave the gun away earlier the day of the murder. Cole has continued to be in trouble with the law. I'm no legal expert, but something doesn't smell right. I think some people are upset not because they are bleeding hearts, but because there's no hard and fast evidence proving Davis's guilt. True, he was convicted by a jury of his peers, but we've all seen how reliable that can be.
Glad that you have learned what a loser Obama has turned out to be. Thanks for your reformation, we appreciate your NEXT vote.
And long, that is the exact problem with the death penalty. Even if it's appropriate in various cases you can't rule out it's use in cases that are borderline. You also can never guarantee that the justice will never make a mistake on a person being on the wrong side of that line.
All I can say is good and about time. Same goes for Mr. Davis. If you commit murder in the first degree and are found guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, exhausted all avenues for repeal, then you must face your punishment. No celebrations needed. Life goes on for the rest of us but these folks are done for good. And I am a liberal/democart and support President Obama for re-election.
Now that is this over wonder who the next one will be?
Because just as life goes on so, does the death penalty and the reason people believe there needs to be a death penalty.
Hey! He said he didn't do it! Where's Al Sharpton? Oh yeah thats right, he's helping the black guy who said he didn't do it. Almost the same story too. "I was there, but I really didn't do it." Sorry white guy, your screwed, no delays for you. Both of these wastes on society were found guilty by evidence. They shouldn't have been allowed to live this long. Other country's crime rates are actually lower because of "eye for an eye" justice. We are too easy on criminal's. Don't get me wrong if there is enough significant doubt that the convicted shouldn't get the death penalty, then by all means don't do it. But if you have more than enough people see you do it and the evidence proves you did it then you shouldn't get the chance to appeal and you should be dead within 6 months after the trial. Why feed and shelter them this long? Really... It's not about Christian ethics....read the Bible...all of it, not just certain passages that you feel prove your point. Seriously...
Dano: Thanks for the clarification. Sorry. I agree wholeheartedly with your rationale.
Lawrence Brewer got what was coming to him today, now he is joining Satan in hell for an eternity of being dragged to death, day after day after day.......! Wish I was there to spit on his rotten corpse!!!
When I first moved to the South, I heard someone say "He needed killing". I have to say that in the case of this racist murderer, I do agree.
Ah the weird Obama haters are a hoot. I am fairly liberal and still think capital punishment is necessary. Obama 2012! YES!
MSNBC always draws the political comments. I don't know if that is good or bad. I'm glad the guy is now dead, but I'm sorry that he had to be killed, if that makes any sense.
Here is a question I ponder at times: Knowing that crimes such as this are morally wrong, and 100% illegal and will likely get you the death penalty, can you really consider the criminals to be normal/sane? We all have a moral compass, that is pretty common across most people. But we have a few outliers, like this guy, who just defy everything we have ever known. Why is that? Are their brains chemically imbalanced? Did they learn something wrong when growing up, did they get dropped on their brains, or is it something else?
You know, ImAtTheBeach, I wish I had a nickle for every time I've seen the author of some simple-minded, poorly thought out post end with the phrase, "just sayin", as if they had communicated some profound piece of wisdom.
It costs more to execute murderers than it does to keep them behind bars for life because of the attenuated, single-threaded appeals process this country allows. If a condemned criminal was required to file all appeals within the first 5 years of conviction, we would swiftly cut down the enormous cost of applying the death penalty.
...and while I do not particularly trust our legal system, or any other to fairly administer justice in capital cases, from a moral standpoint, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with executing people such as this condemned man, nor do I see a constitutional issue.
As to how the rest of the world views our system of justice, I can live with their disapproval. We are under no obligation to justify our laws and their enforcement to the people of other nations.
This guy's fate was better than he deserved. Good riddance.
Standing Strong - A "white guy", Cleve Foster way granted a stay by the US Supreme Court yesterday.
And I disagree that the two cases you mention is "almost the same story." For starters, in the Texas case, there was DNA evidence involved.
The death penalty is a sin.
How dare anyone think that our court system is competent enough to deliver the final punishment.
And, why is it, that evangelicals seem to applause the fact that we murder so many people in our country?
Is that what Jesus wants? If so, then your god is a monster.
NRA Member-
For cases that were decided 30 years ago- yes- we probably should take a look at them and exonerate those that are innocent. Then immediately seek to execute those still waiting if the science proves guilt- again.
But in today's society (up to about 20 years ago), we have science on our side and the evidence we find is pretty conclusive- enough so that if the science says it's so- it IS so. I have no problem with letting the science work for the state and putting someone to death if the crime was heinous enough- BUT only IF the science is there or irrefutable eye witness testimony.
Your comparison is apples to oranges- they don't match up in this case.
Were the anti-death penalty protestors carrying on outside of this guy's execution site like they were in Georgia all week....did Al Sharpton march in Texas too? Just wondering.
Jeremy -1479087
The sad part is it should not cost more than life in prison. With DNA testing now most cases can be pretty open and shut. There is no reason someone should sit for over a decade on death row.
Right! I mean, we are only talking about the life of the accused. All accused are guilty. Let's make it simple and let the police shoot the bastards upon arrest.
Grow up. It is expensive, because we are talking about killing a human being.
Where is your heart?
Some of the posters to this article have said that use of the death penalty should continue regardless of world opinon. That is a shame because how your country is viewed by the world is important. Don't believe me? Check out this list.
How does the world community view these countries? How does it feel to find the USA grouped with these countries?
The countries you reference are viewed in many different ways, and on the basis of many different things, their use of the death penalty is way down on the list.
As to "how does it feel"? It feels fine.
I'm personally against the death penalty. But I do not believe it is either unconstitutional or something to be decided by world opinion.
They don't care. The 2nd Amendment solution, rightwing, anti-abortion but hang-em-high types are an inch away from fascist-zealot-terrorists anyway.
Note that all of those countries also harshly treat women and minorities.
I don't think you guys understand the purpose of capital punishment. It is to remove a dire threat from our society. Animals which are rabid or attack humans are killed out of hand. They don't get a chance. These guys are like rabid animals. Sure, putting them behind bars for "life" makes you feel safe, but if for some reason they are ever released... whether on purpose or clerical error... it does NOT change the fact that they will NOT change. They are a rabid predator just waiting for their chance to "bite" someone.
As for all you bleeding hearts that are worried about killing them in a humane way so that we don't lower them to their level, and that the death penalty is a deterent of its own. Please, the only place it is any type of deterent is in Texas, and that is because they have no problem doing it. Every state has a death row that is filled, yet they are so wishy washy as to clear it. Do you want to make death row feared? Make it a horrific way to go. Let them feel the pain that they dished out. Let's face it... they are socio/ psychopaths... sitting in jail and "thinking about what they did" isn't going to bother them.
I know... I'm barbaric. Fine... I can deal with that, but I would put money on the fact that these HORRIFIC crimes that have been happening lately, wouldn't happen as much with the thought of the criminal themselves suffering a horrible death. Do you think those 3 skin heads in Jasper would have done this for fun if they knew that they would get tied up and dragged themselves if they were found out? Huh? Just mull on that.
Oh... who cares if you want Obama or not in 2012? I didn't realize this was suddenly a poll.
Kinko -
One of us needs to re-examine their opinion. Apparently we agree on something.
I don't know, Kinko, a lot of sociopaths & psychopaths think they're too smart to get caught, or else figure they can smooth-talk their way out of paying any serious consequences for their actions; remember, some have been doing it all their lives. I think we'll always have dangerous ferals that should probably be done with, like we put down dangerous animals.
Burn in hell, SCUM!!!
I appreciate the emotion, and the two cases are very different. If the death penalty were a deterrent and if it were moral, this sure would be a case for it. But it's not right and it does harm our reputation in the international community and it is barbaric. Let the gangs take care of this loser in prison, huh? And we get to save some money. Better financially to keep him locked up--providing for the appeals process all the time he's been on death row costs us more.
BS imatthebeach. Do crime pay the price in TEXAS!
Amen! Glenn!
@ Imatthebeach, you really need to check your facts before getting emotionally involved with your wallet. I do agree with you on one point, it costs way too much to keep someone on death row until they have exhausted all their appeals. I think a quick bullet to the head behind the courthouse after the verdict is read would be a lot more efficient!
I'm with Imatthebeach on this one. Killing a killer makes us just as bad as the killer. Rationalize it all you want, but it won't change that fact.
Also, Texas doesn't have a single thing to brag about. Nothing but a big hole that ought to be filled in with something useful.
I agree THammock. It's not like the quality of life is good in prison. Killing him is giving him the easy way out too. I've heard people saying that letting him live is giving him a "privilege." It's no privilege to be locked up for the rest of your life.
That`s nonsense.
The judges and prosecutors were still going to have a job and be collecting a pay check even if this guy was given a life sentence 10 years ago. do you think if this guy was given a life sentence 10 years ago that the appeals court would lay off all it`s employees and send everyone home?
If this guy got life and lives to be 80 years old, the medical costs alone for taking care of him would be massive. older people need huge amounts of medical care and expensive medications. after this guy gets executed the tax payers won`t have to spend another penny on him.
Fascist.
THammock, Oregon
Nobody likes the idea of taking a life - and I see the logic and emotion with that. The problem with this is you cannot guarantee the killer will never kill again - there is no excuse for giving him the chance to kill again.
Amazing the way liberals get all out of sorts when such an animal is being put down but can't care less that 1.3 million babies are killed each year so that they can have free sex without any responsibility. How do you pronounce Hypocrisy?
Convenience of the mother to not take to term mirrors convenience of taxpayers to have have to foot the bill for this gutter trash! It is the victim that is being ignored in this argument.
Abortion has NOTHING to do with this issue Watermoon.
You just said what, a bullet in the back of the head out behind the courthouse is the way it is done in China. They even send the family a bill for the bullet and if they don't pay up they can't have the body to bury. I know we all get angry at things out there in the real world, but sometimes we get angry at the wrong thing.
TexasGirl should be getting angry at those who get angry and who do and say hateful things. Unfortunately, given the way she approaches the world, she might hurt herself by doing that, I think.
So let me get this straight, now, you WANT to be like China?
Yous people are very confoozing
Sorta. At least prisoners get additional years of life after committing unspeakable crimes and endless appeals. The innocent babies get killed before they are born.
Call executions what they are State Sanctioned Retribution.
Executions have NEVER been a deterrent to stop crimes of any nature.
Hello...... I live in Detroit! Here in 6 to 8 weeks its going to get cold. The people who dont want to work (and they do NOT want to work) will be looking for a warm place with 3 meals a day. Some of you want to feel sorry for them and blame society but if you were put face to face with a person like this you would not fair well. The words my neighbor spoke to me " Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, Teach a man to fish and in Detroit he will beat you to death with the rod!"
People are not born with the Hatred Gene. It's a taught and learned behavior.
With the exception of the sociopaths who are born that way, and there are some, most people get their cue from society.
I believe everyone who this man came in contact with that promoted his line of thinking should have been executed with him!
That would have been true justice. Why because he was not the only one infected. It's like the movie: CONTAGION!
Not gonna get into the morality of the death penalty, but I gotta ask one question:
Where is Rev. Al Sharpton on this one?
Where's Amnesty International?
Where's Jimmy Carter?
Where's the freakin' Pope?
Just wonderin'
Too bad they didn't string him up behind the back of a truck and gave him the same death sentencing he gave to the man he killed.
Eye for an Eye. Now that's Justice.
If the death penalty was a deterent, why does Texas have to kill so many of it's citizens? The number of State sponsored executions just seems to be a generaly increasing trend.
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If he was black or a muslim I am sure this would be more of an atrocity as the ni??er that just got the final touch in the other state today.
nice to show WHAT Race you are, and how much hate you have for those maybe better then you....
You must hate blacks cause your wife and daughters love them.... hahahaha
Chickenman, the Pope asks for clemency if almost all death penalty cases. The Catholic Church teaches that:
it does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.
If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.
Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.
So, in effect, we are against the death penalty...and I agree!
Gotta love them America Indian girls.....slither in the bed like snakes. Yum!
note post # 456 ..... post # 2.17 agree.
"nice to show WHAT Race you are, and how much hate you have for those maybe better then you..." Gotta love them American Indian girls...slither in bed....yum.
Chickenmann, that was going to be my exact question. Where's all the whining, crying and outrage over KILLING someone when it comes to THIS guilty murderer? No difference between this scumbag and the guy who just received justice at the point of a needle, but he didn't have Rev. Al out there stumping for HIM, did he?
Chickenmann,
This execution did not get as much new coverage in the DC area as the one in Georgia did, soooooo.........guess where Al Sharpton was..........where the TV cameras were, in Georgia. He is a true piece of work that truly doesn't work!!!
Actually I am American Indian and have been taken advantage of by Jefferson,Lincoln,Custer, and several of your other HEROES. I believe that many blacks were called buffalo soldiers that were PAID to hunt and MURDER INDIANS so sorry if I offend you.
DevilGirl
Slight differnce here, there were not a plurality of witnesses that recanted their testimony in this case.
Car556- WOW! You've been around THAT long? Whats your secret? Will you be writing a memoir? That might be one hell of a read!
OJ was innocent.
His son Jason did the murders.
Google "OJ Guilty but not of Murder"
Our national justice system is a tragic embarrassment.
I live in South Texas, and I remember the huge upset the KKK caused when they tried to rally in my hometown. They were run out, but because of freedom of speech, the police department had to act as a barrier between them and the angry mob they instigated for a few hours...even though it was a message of hate they were spreading. As for Jasper, it's sad that this poor man suffered the way he did. I am for the death penalty when things like this, beyond a shadow of a doubt, can prove someone extremely guilty for crimes against humanity like this.
I just hope that some deity shows him mercy, whether it be God, Buddha, or a deity of his choice, because I know I myself and many other people here wouldn't have. This was a despicable crime that should be punished to the fullest extent.
That is not a fact, but an opinion. To be a civilized society, we must lay down laws and punishments, and then have the guts to follow through with them. This doesn't necessarily make us as "bad as the killer", but is part of the system our country has for keeping order. I don't like having to put people to death as a society, but in a sense they sealed their OWN fate when they perpetrated these crimes. I would like to see executions for more types of crimes. Why? Because there are some crimes there is NO EXCUSE for. Carjacking... Pulling someone out of their car and stealing it at gunpoint? There is no excuse for anyone EVER doing that. One would think that if we put the death penalty in place for that crime, there would be VERY few carjackings..... It wouldn't be worth the price. Our system today fails because we are SO lax on punishment for the first 10 offenses that people begin to believe they can get away with anything. (and they do).....
does anybody on this blog realize that in the case of the man put to death in georgia all but 2 wittnesses (1 of which was the one that all the others actually committed the murder) recanted their testimony, there was no weapon or dna?
just lock them all in a cell and weld it shut. if we find out later we were wrong, tell them were sorry, give them a lot of $$$ to prove we are sorry, and while they might still be bitter, at least they wont be dead. how many here on this blog are christians? if you are- do you actually read the bible- maybe the (God forbid) NEW TESTIMATE? what would Jesus do anyway. killing, killing. killing? whan does it stop. in America we would like to think we are better than the rest of the world- well lets set a good example- fix our own problems, educate our own people, make the wealthy pay a fair share to Caesar (the govt), have elections where we encourage everyone to vote like we tell the rest of the world, stop trying to blow up all that disagree with us, and stop occupying the rest of the world (bases in 170 countries).
They should have chained him to the back of the nearest El Camino, and put the pedal to the metal.
On a tangent here... but you said it. This is part of the US's modern day problems.
As for penalties for heinous crimes. I am a super nice liberal softy, but I do think that certain crimes deserve the death penalty. It just seems like a "natural order of things" kind of situation.
For people to say "Well *I* wouldn't support him being killed, but I do hope that somebody *else* kills him in prison.. well, this seems a bit chickensh*t.
So maybe hard forced slave labour then? Gulag style? Let people know that for rapes, murders, repeated violent assaults... they are going to be performing painful, exhausting work (that benefits society in some way) for the next few decades.
If they cant hack it, tough. They did, after all, sign up for it.
THammock (#2.4)
It already has been...with jobs.
Bill 126009,
Let see you said let the rich pay their fair share the top 50% of wage earners pay 90% of all tax revenues how much should they pay....... what if we took everything they make........... the bottom 30% not only pay no taxes they get money back as refunds every year ............ then what about those who won't (I said won't not can't there is a difference) work who we the tax payers support........... how about we get everyone to put some cash in the game even if it is $100.00 a year
Bill... they PULLED a man to PIECES by dragging him behind a truck for over 3 miles! He wasn't unconscious when they did it... he was awake. He was conscious when that first limb came off. All 3 of those guys had his blood all over them. There was blood UNDER the truck!! Yet, you somehow think we might get this one wrong?!
Then you need to go and play the friggin' religion card. What would jesus do? Is that before or after he gets booted back across the border for being an illegal alien? Well, we know what his "dad" would do. He would raze Jasper to the ground with hellfire and brimstone. He would drown them or maybe turn them to salt. god did a LOT of killing in the Old Testament.
You want us to set an example for the rest of the world, yet we are not even close to the top of the list when it comes to crime statistics. Quit trying to be all holier than thou and get a little medieval on these rabid predators, and then maybe... just maybe... these horric crimes will stop and these other countries that you want to impress won't look at us and wonder how we can let these monsters live.
Mina (#2.5).
How often do you see a person who is about to be executed in the US say "I'm glad it's here, prison is hell"? Very, very rarely.
That should lead you to the conclusion they at least find prison tolerable, and many find it quite comfortable, especially the lifers, or those who've spend so much of their life in and out that they function better on the inside.
So to argue that staying in prison is more punishment for that person versus received the punishment they deserve is really fairly ludicrous if you stop and consider it carefully.
As for the moral ground. I find anyone doesn't support the death penalty in a situation like this to be morally bankrupt personally.
The perfect reason and the perfect opportunity to use the death penalty. It will guarantee that this gutter trash will never hurt another innocent human being.
Again, I appreciate the emotion, Chuck. I feel it. But it is wrong.
Obama/Biden 2012.
Imatthebeach - You're welcome to your opinions - but I believe you may have set the record for the number of wrong opinions crammed into one short post.
And I respect your opinion, Chuck. Thing is, it's just wrong--state-sanctioned killing, I mean.
Imatthebeach.
I certainly respect that fact that you are consistent in your beliefs in both cases.
@proudamericanveteran: Thank you. So far, it hasn't turned into a political debate, either. :) And thank you for serving our country..........if your screen name is true.
Again, imatthebeach, your opinion. My opinion is that what he did is killing, but execution for murder isn't really punishment, it's the disposal of trash - trash that has toxiccapability. It would be unconscionable for the state to allow that trash to kill again - in fact there would be no excuse to allow it to happen.
The difference between your opinion and mine is that the state agrees with mine.
If it's any consolation, this sh!tbag has been breathing 13 yrs longer than the victim he brutally, savagely tortured and murdered.
Life is our most prized possession. This guy took another man's life for kicks, to show off. The choice of the jury was to feed and house him for the next 50 years or execute him. It's a lesson to anyone thinking of killing someone - make sure you're willing to give up your own life in exchange for his.
Perhaps the guy's execution could be considered an act of mercy. They use the same drug to put dangerous animals out of their misery. He won't suffer, I promise!
CatChick74 says:
Apparently that's the way imabch prefers it.
Chuck - Yea, so I read. I on the other hand...There are many who are anti-death penalty, thankfully, just not ALL are.
Several years ago I read about a convicted murderer that broke out of prison and murdered again. Many murders have been committed in prison by convicted murderers - murdered people in prison for lesser crimes. How do we/the state explain that to the families of the survivors?
That is why I view executions as insurance, not punishment.
Beach is right. No matter how angry we get at a criminal, the state murdering one of its citizens is never the answer.
Toasty - It's just your opinion - and the "answer" depends entirely on the question.
The question here is "How do we guarantee this human refuse has committed his last murder?"
Keep him locked up forever. Duh...
I don't have a problem in the world with the death penalty, assuming definate proof of guilt (as this this case)...
The Troy Davis case, however, is one I have a problem with.
Obviously, Imatthebeach is a troll, why else would he / she make so many references to “Obama/Biden 2012”? At least when they remember.
Stop feeding the troll.
toasty mcgrath says:
If you would think it thru before throwing out a "duh" toasty - Murderers escape and murder innocent people. Murderes also kill other inmates, inmates not locked up for murder. That's the problem.
TexasGril Kris says:
Frankly, presenting a silly opinion and tagging it with Obama's name is doing the world a favor - don't you think? Barry's gonna be "one and done".
Keep him locked up forever!!! There is a man here in Florida that just killed his SECOND wife, the first wife was killed some 30 years ago, this guy got life sentence for 1st degree murder, but got it down graded to homicide. Stand in prison for a few months and got released. WHY? No one knows, because the judge and lawyers are all passed away. My point being being locked up forever, doesn't mean FOREVER any more, they always fines some way of getting out sooner.
I love how you lefties want to kill babies, but keep death row scum alive..Honestly, I just don't get that line of thinking...
A life sentence doesn't always mean LIFE anymore. There's too many cases of convicted murders being release on parole when they originally had life sentences, and have gone on to kill again.
There are some crimes that are so heinous that the death penalty is called for, and this case is one of them, IMO.
Except that I don't condone killing babies either.
And before I get called a 'bleeding heart' that doesn't apply either. I could care less about unborn babies and murderers. I'm not concerned about their welfare, nor do I feel for them - it's about my ethics. Wrong is wrong, even when your government says it is right.
RowanMoon-
amen.
Toasty, if I could be sure that they would stay locked up forever, I would be against the death penalty. Remember the Huntsville Seven that escaped from death row? How about the guy that killed a 13 year old and later was let out to become the Yosemite Killer. He was the brother of the boy named Steven that was abducted and eventually returned home only to die in a motorcycle accident. Once executed, we know with certainty that this criminal will never harm another person. I need that assurance. Just one person's opinion and I do understand yours.
So,THammock, you're saying an unborn baby isn't a life? Is that what you're saying? An 8 month old fetus isn't alive? You have NO concept of morals, ethics, nor right and wrong.
If "God" is the final "punisher", what's up with the Government killing people!
Then forget about threatening everyone with "God's" punishment and have people understand that the TRUE punishment will be the here and now.
.....and by MAN!
Colorblind- I think you just hit it on the head- when a person goes to prison for life, that person was sentenced by ONE judge. But another can decide that that was too harsh and set him/her free. There is a chance of escape. There is a chance of actual parole. I am not referring to an overturned conviction.
What I see a need for is a guarantee- that only thing that satisfies that is death.
Death Penalty is NOT wrong.
Good points, geekfish--I was a child when Ted Bundy had been captured, managed to escape, and ended up in FL where he murdered 2 women, brutalized 2 others, and then murdered a 12 year old girl. I was a senior in high school when Bundy was executed. The death penalty was NOT wrong in that case, either.
In North Carolina there is no early release for good behavior, parole, or any b.s. like that. You do at the very least your minimum sentence, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Why on earth it doesn't work that way all over the country, I do not know.
It does not get any worse then this unthinkable brutal totally inhumane torturous crime. These people are monsters, not fit for society and if left unchecked they will definitely kill again. In this case the accused got off easy. He was put to death humanely and did not suffer. To bad for that.
I am sure gald that toasty has a TON OF MONEY to pay for the MURDERERS that the average taxpayer has to pay to support these animals. Although he is probably one of the 47% that doesn't pay ANY TAXES.
@Toasty McGrath - Lawrence Brewer tied another man to his truck and drug him three and a half miles until the guy was decapitated.
Go cry in you beer and get over it. Brewer deserved to die and the state did the right thing.
Any one that could commit such a hateful and brutal crime against another human does not deserve to live. This person, he does not deserve to be called a man, is a sociopath and his thought process is exactly what it is - mean, nasty, hateful, narcissistic. Someone like this will never change because their thought process does not see anything wrong with what they have done. If he were let free it is a known fact that people like him WILL kill again and again if not stopped and thank G-d he was.
locking them up forever doesn,t garuntee that they wont kill again. Some doing life for murder have killed other inmates and guards. Executions garuntee they will NEVER do harm to ANYONE ever again.
j burke you are correct. Assuming that we've taken care of the problem by locking up a killer is naive at best - potentially a deadly mistake.
Geekfish & Chuck in Olathe....FRs have been sent to both of you. Thanks for the excellent discussion on here.
RowanMoon - Thanks for the vote of confidence.
This guy is a special case - this wasn't a crime of passion, a case of self-defense or any else other than a vicious hateful animalistic murder. There is no reasonable doubt of his guilt. I can think of no reason to give him an opportunity to repeat this act.
So I assume you are against government funded abortion as well for the same reason? (state-sanctioned-killing)
Bruce - if you follow the posts you will see the intent was to troll, and to advertise a politician.
Most likely there was no real commitment to a moral cause.
Too bad they can't torture him to death.
SpeakerGeek
When he gets to where he's going torture might just be the last of his worries...??
speakergeek i agree with you completely. i had a family member murdered,and his killer only got 12 years. would have loved for that a-hole to have been put to death .
Ever hear of the old "body found in the trunk of a car" solution?
hey no tea, it's easy to talk s##t while your sitting in your momma's basement. do us all a favor and get off your computer . go outside and learn how to throw a baseball or something.
People who feel and think like this about another race, basically for no other reason, because they are not white, but then make it worse by taking action against those of another race, basically get what they deserve. It is just too bad, that all three were not sentenced to death and execution in "Good Ole' Texas"! The U.S. cannot put to death or execute someone for what they think or feel, but when they publicly speak out or take action, I would put those who speak out in jail for a month and those who took action, would get life without parole or executed. We have no room in the prisons or on this planet for "Redneck White Trash or any other color Trash" to live with us on our street, in our cities and towns, counties, states and country.
'66 was a good year, Retroman. But execution is wrong.
Retro- why are you making this just about white people? Do you not think some black, hispanic etc. can't also hate another race?
Jeremy, the case is about white on black, okay?
Imat- did you read his post? His first word was people, not these people. He went on to say in his first sentence "because they are not white", this goes to show he was talking about white people not black or anyone else.
40 years ago this murderer would never have been convicted. The jury would have been all white.
Such was "justice" for black people back then...
Tina - Let's be thankful that this wasn't 40 years ago and that the horrible beasts that did this to James Byrd are paying for what they did. I am with others on this one - all three of them should have been put to death once they were found guilty. It's a waste of time and money to put people like them on death row and allow them the appeals process. I have always heard that G-d doesn't make garbage, although, in this case I believe He must have blinked because three pieces of garbage/trash got through without Him noticing.
What these three beasts did to James Byrd is unforgivable and regardless of what society does to these three beasts it will never bring back Mr. Byrd nor will there ever be a punishment worthy enough to truly feel justice has been served for James Byrd Jr. My heart weeps for the family of Mr. James Byrd, Jr. It is truly a shame and crime that it has taken this long for this execution to take place.
Lefties??? I am definitely against the death penalty and abortion and I am definitely conservative. What I find amazing is that the lefties say it is OK to kill babies but not those convicted of murder. Hypocrites! Either you are for ALL life or against it! Personally, I believe in the sanctity of life, from conception to grave!
AngelP- you didn't mention gun control, and we all know that guns kill and maim thousands each year.
no guns do not it is people that use guns that do
He should die and deserves to die BUT.....I can't stand this hate crime crap. Look if you commit a crime, you commit a crime. It does not matter why he killed him, he killed him and dragged him in back of a truck. This man is a pathetic, worthless piece of crap.
I agree, Jeremy. It's like the transgender person who was attacked at McDonalds for using the womens' restroom. Take sexual orientation, race, religion, etc out of the equation and you still have a crime. Media loves to sensationalize the actual news. Media is part of the problem.
Cat- media is a big part of the problem. Instead of talking about Americans, they break things into groups for political purposes. If an American commits a crime against an American they should be prosecuted, plain and simple.
Jermey - are you in the US? A citizen? Just curious, based on your phrasing. Alot of people are obsessed with labels. Labels are the birthplace how we perceive that person from that moment on. Very sad. Very inhibiting.
Cat Chick- Ummmmm, yea I was born in America. I was just making a point about the whole hate crime agenda.
I'm going to guess you're a white male, Jeremy. For some reason, they're always the ones that disagree with hate crimes and harassment laws...
Toasty- Thanks for proving my point by your lack of substance. You went right into race. Tell me what the difference in regards to a crime is. Murder is murder, assault is assault and so on. If I am assaulted by a white guy or a black guy due to the color of my skin makes no difference. It is assualt.
Try to make a valid point to why hate crime laws should exist. Then try and explain the difference in crime and make me feel better as a white male as to why if I was assaulted it would be less of a crime.
Something is defined as a hate crime when it constitutes an act of intimidation against an already-persecuted demographic in addition to the crime itself. It is given an appropriately higher sentence to match the severity.
Now where is YOUR substance?
I think we can do away with the hate crime labels when we make the punishment fit the crime. In this case, for instance, he should be dragged behind a truck on the same road; driven by a black man.
The death penalty in it's current form is a joke. Hangings were public for a reason. Make the death look like the crime, and make it public, and people may think twice before killing someone.
And the crime of pickpocketing was punished with public hangings in England up to the 1800s. One of the problems with this at the time was all the pickpocketing taking place at the hangings.
Really? How many criminals do you think believe they will be caught before they commit their crimes? The fact is criminals are thinking they will NOT be caught and thus, the punishment is basically irrelevant. The fact is, violent crime tends to be impetuous and stupid, without any regards to ANY consequences.
I'm OK with the death penalty for the slime that did this particular crime. But let's stop this nonsense about any deterrence factor for others. It simply has never been shown to have any validity and as I state here, it even goes against common sense.
It'll never happen (for obvious reasons) because there is no one, except this piece of trash, that is that depraved!! even though in this case- he deserves it.
Oh come on Toasty!
Are you seriously going to cling to this narrow definition?
A hate crime is a crime against another person that is perpetrated because of a victim's race, gender, religion, disability, age, etc. It isn't about who historically was being oppressive but the fact that the mind of the perpetrator decided that it was OK to commit a crime against another person because they weren't like them.
In this case by your definition, if it was 3 purple men that dragged a green man down the road with a truck and chain because he was green and mentally disabled it wouldn't be a hate crime provided that the green people were oppressing the purple people?
I disagree vehemently. Hate is hate regardless of the source or the history behind the reason for hate. You can NOT decide to label a crime worse or exceptional for one case that was perpetrated because the victim is different and then claim it wasn't worse or exceptional the other way when the tables are turned.
To do so is the worst kind kind of judicial crime. It is institutionalized bigotry.
Yep, where is your substance!
It's my explanation because that's the LAW'S explanation, John. This isn't rocket surgery.
rocket surgery Toasty? We're removing hemorrhoids on rockets here girl, lol!
oops: rocket surgery Toasty? We're not removing hemorrhoids on rockets here girl, lol!
Hate crime?????????? I have never heard of anyone getting murdered because the killer liked the person.
While we are at it..........ALL murders are civil rights violations. Murder should be a federal crime. No state should investigate, try, or punish a murderer. The FBI should take care of all that. Then there would be very few problems.
Back that up Toasty.
I would like to see a link to a law that specifies what you claim. If it isn't being challenged, it will be eventually and would be struck down in either a liberal or conservative SCOTUS.
call it a love crime...some folks just love to kill people...
All people should be the "protected" class. The Byrd case was a textbook example of a racially motivated hate crime. So was the crime for which Troy Davis was executed, though I have doubt's that he was the shooter.
Actually Glo, all people are in a protected class of some sort. That's the point and what Toasty seems to be missing.
No where does it state in the current hate crime laws that any race, religion, ethnicity, age, political party affiliation etc. is exempt from being the victim of a hate crime. That is an assumption and discussed by theorists who claim that hate crime is, among other things, an extension of affirmative action.
John:
Title 18 of the United States Code § 245(b)(2)
Title 42 U.S.C. § 13981
FAILED!!!
It doesn't say ANYTHING about the narrow definition that you prescribe. In fact both links repeatedly use the words, "any person" within the concept of the law.
You fail Toasty!!! Show me WHERE the law says that is it about one section of the populace and not another!!! YOU CAN'T BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST!!!
This is all a moot point because when it comes to murder, hate crimes are stupid. If you kill someone, of course you hate them!! Duh!! Not like you are going to plan out your best friend's murder as a gag. The whole concept is stupid and was put in place to satisfy a vocal minority... as usual.
Toasty, laws are written to be vague so that they are left open for interpretation. They will NEVER be tied down to a certain "slice of the pie". I agree with John... FAIL.
All three should be Hung like the Old Days. Now they are eating and living at Taxpayer expense. Where is Marshal Dillion, he would have them Hung, set example for this type Crime should never happen to anyone. Hell lets get Indian doctor to give the final Shot. I'm White, and it upsets me when People think they are better than anyone else in God's world. Are you better than God I should ask?
David - trying to lend a little levity here. "Hanged" is the correct term. "Hung" is when God gives man a VERY special gift! LOL
Mgrylls - ROTFLMAO!!!!! Yes, I like the word "HUNG!!!
Good riddance to bad rubbish. I am not a death penalty believer, but I am a believer in justice.
This just makes me sick. Now this is how an execution goes down. Unlike the Troy Davis story. Had all the evidence there, DNA, everything. So it makes sense. Texas is pretty hardcore with the death penalty. I hope the Bryd family gets the justice they are looking for, or at least the closure they deserve.
Renee- Justice would be allowing the family to either choose or carry out the death sentece.
Renee, I wish the Byrd family peace--I wish everyone peace. Let's just let the prisoners take care of him. Two wrongs don't make a right, right??
Actually the majority of the Byrd family has asked for clemency.
'Renee36'- "...Unlike the Troy Davis story. Had all the evidence there, DNA, everything...."
What if the DNA evidence was not allowed at the trial? What if, even after being convicted of the crime, these three animals were backed by supporters that who just KNEW they were innocent? What if these three animals got appeal after appeal, even a Federal Judge to review the evidence of the case and he still found them guilty, but the supporters STILL protested the execution fo the sentence?.....
Dont' get me wrong, I think these three deserve to pay the ultimate price for the crime they committed....but...as far at Troy Davis is concerned, research the pair of shorts Davis was wearing the night the officer was shot and killed...The shorts that were found at Davis' mother's house after Davis decided he had pressing business 200 miles away before dawn (when his sister drove him out of town and he disappeared the early hours after the officer was shot)...The shorts that had fine-mist blood splatter on them...The shorts that were NOT allowed as evidence in this crime because it was determined the police didn't have 'proper' consent to search the mother's house when she gave consent....
...These three deserve what they were sentenced..but so does Troy Davis....
The proper sentance is life w/o parole.
If we belive that taking the life of another is wrong then how can we as a society endorse the state taking the life as revenge for a crime? His crimes are heinous but we as a society cannot and should not allow the state to kill in our name as revenge.
Im certain that there are many Christians who believe in an eye for an eye but Matthew 5:38 says that Jesus taught that was wrong.
The death sentence is not revenge. It is a consequence of actions. If you break into my house the consequence could be a bullet in the head (by the way I don't own a gun). In reality though, the possibility still exists. Well when you decide you are going to take someone's life through crime and not self defense, one possible consequence of your actions could be death.
Revenge would be letting the family beat the living crap out of him and torture him themselves....which if the family wants I am all for.
Bravo!! You said it better than I did.
And the bible is a real enigma, no?
The death penalty is 100% revenge, there's just no getting around it. And revenge should NEVER have a place in our legal system.
State execution is state sanctioned revenge. There is no other purpose. There is no attempt at rehabilitation, just good old fashioned revenge. These 3 pieces of scum deserve to die, but so do many other people. Aldrich Ames certainly should have been executed but he pled guilty and copped the death penalty. We should bring back places like Alcatraz for men like these. Keep them in isolation, with only limited access to books - no TV etc. They could then have 40-50 years to find some remorse.
The problem with an eye for an eye is that eventually every one is blind. Surely we as a society have matured beyond what was acceptable to a bunch of nomadic goat herders 2000+ years ago.
Toasty- do you know what a consequence is?
State execution is the only justice the citizens get when these animals commit these type of crimes.
Toasty McGrath & Notanidiotlikeolegunny
The DP is NOT revenge. It IS however a guarantee for the future- to ensure that person is never allowed to even have a glimmer of hope of commiting another crime again. It's what keeps society safe from predators. As long as a death row or LWOP inmate is alive- they have hope- which is something they should never, EVER enjoy!
Oh come on, we definitely have the means to keep someone in prison for life! And all of you judging this man as worthless, that is not true in the eyes of God.
Notan- then be your definition ANY SENTENCE HANDED OUT IN COURT COULD BE LABELED REVENGE. The sentence is considered PUNISHMENT for your crime. You are a tard'.........
I hope he feels the same terror that the man they killed. To bad he will not experince the same pain.
' "I had no intentions of killing nobody," Brewer testified. "If I knew the results, I would have gone to the cops." DNA evidence showed Byrd's blood on all three men's clothing.'
What a pathetic, cowardly, ignorant sh!tbag.
We live in a time when people just have to get along without butchering one another. Having said that, there are some that simply don't deserve to share the same space with the rest of society and must be eliminated. This is a textbook case.
Rush Limbaugh wannabees
Okay. Yours is the first political post. It goes downhill from here.
Imatthebeach- respectfully, you had the first political post with Obama/Biden 2012
Ooops, you're right............So used to using that, I didn't think. I'll have to stop that.
Rush; Now there is a guy that deserves to be put to death for all the Hate speech he puts out, fat druggie.
So much for freedom of speech.
got any x-tre Oxycontin on ya...
Waterboard him...
Nice, troll.
People, please don't feed the troll.
Racism is never going to end especialy in the Senate and the house of Representatives.
Imatthebeach, That's a wonderful saying', something that we learned growing up but there's another one I like better and that is "an eye for an eye".. If you haven't seen the prison population then you really should go have a look at it!! Pretty soon they will start releasing criminals back into society because of overcrowding, some states have already started.. Granted they aren't violent criminals being released, but criminals nonetheless!! Let me know how you feel when some white trash drug addict or sex pervert gets out of prison where you live because of overcrowding and moves in next to you.. BTW from Mr. Byrd's sisters statement in the article, it sounds to me like she may also be pro death penalty.. 13yrs doesn't erase the fact that this man killed another human being with no remorse and no regard, I don't care if he sat in his cell and found god!!!
matthewsmommy, please don't presume to know me, my life experience, or how I would feel if some white trash drug addict, as you put it, moved in next door. There are good people and bad people in all neighborhoods, and color doesn't make one bit of difference. Most of Byrd's family are against the death penalty. I know it's hard staying home with kids but.............
If you can't pay for the crime than don't do the crime he is old enough. He knew it could cost him his life. Some people show more remorse for the criminal than the victims who were hurt by the criminals action.
Sadly he'll get a better death than the man he killed. At least there are humane laws when it comes to death row execution. Can't say the same for the way Mr. Byrd was tortured and killed.
I am not comfortable with the death penalty as it exists. I don't like the idea of a government putting its citizens to death. However, some crimes are so horrible that they merit horrible consequences for the perpetrator.
Saying it harms our reputation in the international community isn't, to me, a reason to eradicate it. To say it's not a deterrent, well, statistics can be shown to support the opposite conclusion as well. To say that it's too expensive seems to make the argument that economics and not morality is informing your opinion. As far as this "loser" being taken care of in prison by gangs...well there are white supremacist gangs in prison as well and this guy is probably a hero to them. I'm sure they'll have his back, so we can't really rely on the other prisoners to do our dirty work for us, can we? And in effect, isn't that murder and brutality by proxy? Are we any less complicit in this criminal's death if we sentence him to "life" with a nod and wink while expecting him to be murdered/raped/brutalized in prison? How moral is that?
The answer is yes, we are. We have a place for people like him called prison. He knew about that place and what it was like, I'm sure. People like him must be removed from open society. We can't do much more than we are doing to "keep them safe" in prison. Death row is the safest place there is in prison, BTW. And I'm not winking.
Let me clarify. I'm against the death penalty as it exists but I feel that some crimes are so brutal and vile that the criminal forfeits their own right to life. This, in my OPINION is one of those cases.
I didn't sugggest that you, specifically, were winking. It was a figure of speech. We all know what goes on in prison.
Execution IS removal from open society.
Death row might be the safest place in prison but nobody stays there permanently. They are either executed or their sentence is reduced and they're thrown in with the general population. Am I correct in inferring from your statement that "death row is the safest place there is in prison" that the jury did him a favor by sending him there?
I am not comfortable with the death penalty as it exists. I don't like the idea of a government putting its citizens to death. However, some crimes are so horrible that they merit horrible consequences for the perpetrator.
Saying it harms our reputation in the international community isn't, to me, a reason to eradicate it. To say it's not a deterrent, well, statistics can be shown to support the opposite conclusion as well. To say that it's too expensive seems to make the argument that economics and not morality is informing your opinion. As far as this "loser" being taken care of in prison by gangs...well there are white supremacist gangs in prison as well and this guy is probably a hero to them. I'm sure they'll have his back, so we can't really rely on the other prisoners to do our dirty work for us, can we? And in effect, isn't that murder and brutality by proxy? Are we any less complicit in this criminal's death if we sentence him to "life" with a nod and wink while expecting him to be murdered/raped/brutalized in prison? How moral is that?
100% of executed criminals never commit another crime.
100% of people wrongly convicted and executed never have a chance of living their lives to the fullest.
These guys are guilty and need to be punished and if possible shown the error of their ways (I know that might well be impossible - but a civilized society should make the effort.)
Perhaps the victim's families should have a greater say in the sentencing.
LOVE IT, old geyser! You are 100% right.
The death penalty is a deterrent to crime and that is a fact! These people who say differently make such nonsense up and say it is true because they hear themselves say it. Sure some Ivory Tower academic will fudge some statistics to "prove" otherwise but there is no doubt that in the real world states with the death penalty have less murders.
Even if it weren't true, the "Obama logic" of today makes it possible to say so anyway. After all, we didn't waste a trillion dollars (800 billion plus interest) on a failed stimulus when 2.1 million jobs were lost! It would have been a lot worse had we not done the stimulus. So even if it is shown that there are many murders in states where there is a death penalty we are noow empowered to just say that it would have been even worse if there were no death penalty! Obama has set me free to lie at will!!!
Yeah, but neither do those who didn't commit a crime in the first place. It's an imperfect attempt at justice. Far too imperfect. DNA now shows us the hundreds in this country put to death wrongly. Is that a chance you're willing to take? I'm not. Plus, it's not a deterrent to crime. That's proven. Finally, we profess to be such a Christian nation. Such crap. Christianity is NOT about killing another for any crime. And don't give me the cliches we see in the bible about an eye for an eye. All historical documents on Jesus demonstrated 100% that he'd never condone the death penalty. Yeah, that scum who did what he did does deserve to die, but not by a state sanctioned penalty of death. We need to be beyond that. But I know we're not and most likely never will be.
100% of innocent people executed never commit one EVER.
100% of all countries that practice capital punishment are cesspools of human filth and degeneracy.
They may be in cahoots with Satan to perform even more heinous acts during their after-life.
I just can't believe they would execute this poor man. He made a mistake he
shouldn’t die for it. He was just misguided and needed someone to help him in
life. Maybe he didn’t have a dad growing up or he was abused as a kid. So you
just kill him. What a shame.
We have a responsibility to the people who are wrongly convicted of a crime that is above the desire to execute real murderers. I have zero desire to see guys like that walk free, ever, and we can do that without creating new crimes by murdering innocent people. Just one is to many.
We know for sure that there are people on death row who are completely innocent of the crimes they were convicted because science makes conclusive evidence available, especially DNA testing, that exonerates death row inmates. Just that fact by itself already makes the death penalty illegal because it violates Equal Protection clause. The government is acting outside of it's powers.
OMG Pedro - you really aren't that naive, are you? Are you like 12 years old or what? We're not killing him because he didn't have a daddy - but because he DRAGGED A MAN TO HIS DEATH WITHOUT REMORSE.
100% of innocent people executed can't either. But the real perpetrators can.
Not everyone executed is guilty. That's a fact.
As evil as this is, I still feel, since there is room for error, there can be no death penalty. Can't overturn death.
Old geyser-damn right! Truer words never spoken!
And Im reading the comment as 'criminals'- as in a person convicted of a crime, not as in "100% of executed people never commit another crime." Slight difference but I think it matters.
If you look to the past, how many times have people been put to death by so called Christians? They are hypocrites and hide behind the cross to support their beliefs.
folks complain the death penelty doesn't work. Well maybe not. but we sure in heck dont see many repeat offenders. and thats good enough for me. somefolks through thier own actions and deeds, effictivly remove themselves from the human race. and should be put down like the rabid dog they are.
100% of executed criminals never commit another crime
Sadly,however,is the fact that a portion of that 100% are never guilty to begin with (i.e Troy Davis who was executed yesterday in GA) While I agree crimes such as dragging a man to death simply because you don't like the color of his skin DOES deserve the death penalty,I do believe it better to abolish the death penalty than have a single person wrongly put to death,and sadly we now know for a fact that hundreds of innocent people have been executed in this country in the past decades..........like it or not some states are too quick to condemn,and in a death penalty case there should be ZERO doubt as to their guilt
Nothing will bring back Mr. Byrd, nothing will lessen his loved ones' heartache and loss. But, if the victim was my loved one, I sure as hell wouldn't want the perpetrator breathing any longer than necessary, getting three meals and bed on my tax dollars.
Do the research--more of your tax dollars were spent keeping him on death row all this time and in his appeals process than would have been spent on a life sentence. Breathe deeply and try to remove emotion from the issue. Just sayin'....
Imatthebeach - Keep your head in the sand.
Texas has the death penalty, like it or not, we use it! When it comes to these types of crimes, it's not about reform, it's not about his momma didn't hold him enough, it's about a criminal who has done something so heinous to a human being (be it black, white, or purple) he will be punished to the full extent of the law. We don't want these people in our existence, so, as with any defective item (yep, I have remove his identity as another human), we get rid of it. In a more humane way than he decided to get rid of someone in the sport of a "Good ol' night on the town."
If you will indeed do your research:
He's 49. Let's say he lives until 79 - Going by 2009 #'s Texas just saved $65,736,025.20 (btw - that's with a MILLION). That's if he doesn't ends up with an illness that needs maintenance through medication, etc. I'm good with the savings. Where are you getting your#'s on the death penalty cost?
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I don't know why it won't print the link -
gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2009/12/can-dewhursts-budget-cut-goals-be-met.html
My apologies, Brewer is 44, and my calculator did something weird. 35 x 365 = 12,775 x $47.27 = $603,874.25. I'm still good with that amount...LOL!
do the research, thats total nonsense.
It's that same attitude of what a person's life is worth or should be worth that led to this horrible murder in the first place. How little did these men think the victim's life was worth, and how joyfully you people put a price on the head or cost savings to the world of the one's who killed him! And just so you don't get the impression that I am some bleeding heart Liberal who hates the death penalty, and I do, but I am also Black!
All three should have been given life without parole and put in a Super Max. To know they will suffer for possibly 50 or more years and would wish for death, is real punishment. What crimes they will or will not commit no one knows. Killing a human being at the hand of another human being regardless of circumstances is STILL murder!
Kenny... Apparently you are not familiar with how TDCJ works. They would not go to a Super Max. They would probably go to a Max prison and be in general population. In Texas you do not get put in Super Max or Solitary (aka Ad Seg) for the crimes you committed on the outside its for things you do on the inside of the prison
i'd rather them spend 20 million.. to prove or disprove someone on death row is truely guilty of the crime.
then spend $.25 keeping some monster who they've proven beyond all resonable dout is guilty, alive and in jail.
the Death penelty is simply humanity saying 'You comited an act that has showen you are no longer a member of the human race. you might walk, look and act like one of us, but inside your a monster, a rabid dog. and we're going to put you out of our missery before you can harm anouther human being."
sounds perfectly resonable to me. some acts, some crimes, once commited bascialy show that your nothing but a hairless tree ape. a throw back. a genetic dead end.
This guy can't ever get what he deserves - but execution is the next best thing.
I agree!
I was appalled when the crowd at the GOP debate applauded at the mention of the number of executions that have happened under Perry's watch. But for this case, I'd applaud with them. Maybe even cheer. A simple execution is too kind for this kind of human garbage.
I'm with you 21stCentury. WITHOUT A SHADOW OF DOUBT(*cough*Davis*cough*)....he murdered that man.
I'm not a big fan of the death penalty because you can't always be 100% sure you got the right guy. But this one was the right guy and we got what we deserved, 1 less racist murderer in our world.
Why do you think a white murder deserved to die when a black murder deserves to be spared? That sounds racist to me. In the case of Davis, that poor "innocent" individual was not a rookie at the murder game and the Georgia police officer was victim #2.
This guy was just another pile of human waste flushed down society's sewer hole, just like Davis was. Society is better off being rid of both of them.
He should be executed the same way he killed his victim- chained to the back of a truck and dragged to his death.
I hear ya!