But hey don't, and that's the issue.

Funny, I've not seen anyone propose being able to marry your dog or your sister...I'll bet mark believes in all powerful bearded beings in the clouds and that Elvis is still alive. Ignorance is so sad...

AHHH MARK THERE IS THE POINT
A DOG DOES NOT GIVE INFORMED CONSENT

Yes "they don't know" a human does.

That is informed consent

Dogs don't have to give informed consent. We have them spayed, neutered, sell them, and have them put to death without their consent. Being cruel to them is the only unlawful activity, other than possibly beastiality, that I know of and there doesn't have to be sex to be married. So why not?

And I should add...Civil marriage is a contract...dogs don't have legal standing to sign a contract. So, another stupid argument foiled. Next stupid argument??

Could a person marry their own self? I mean isn't this whole marriage thing just discrimination against single people? And what about a corporation? A corporation can enter into contracts, so a real person should be able to marry a corporation.

· Things to To Today - from the desk of God

1. Save starving children from a painful death

2. Eliminate diseases

3. Stop wars

4. Turn New Yorkers into piles of salt

Would be pretty cool if God ever did the first 3 things on that list of yours.

Sooo....what should happen to the people that do engage in incestuous or bestial relations? You have to admit that it does happen. If it's illegal to have relations with a sibling or an animal, should those people be discriminated against? Fired from their jobs? Arrested? I have yet to hear in all this talk about gay marriage, ONE valid reason why we won't eventually see sibling or animal marriages in the near future. Don't give me the consent crap, because that argument is a non-argument. ONE valid argument why we should hate and discriminate against people in sibling or animal relationships or marriages. ONE valid argument why people SHOULD NOT have freedom and equality and SHOULD NOT be able to choose who they want to love. Let's have it.

1. Incest has the potential to bear offspring with autosomal genetic recessive traits (i.e. genetic conditions and diseases that would render the individual less fit to survive).

2. Consent DOES matter in the institution of marriage. In a modern, industrialized nation like America, seldom is marriage the act of only one willing participant. By definition, marriage is the formal union, by law, of TWO people. I don't understand how that is a "non-argument".

New York state ushered in gay marriage at the stroke of midnight Sunday....

I wonder if these newly-weds will be allowed to breast-feed in public?

I see that the Newsvine mafia has deleted most messages that disagree with their "progressive" mindset. To be perfectly frank, I believe that gays should have equal rights under the law but marriage should be reserved for only between a man with a woman. Our moral fabric is declining at an alarming rate. This whole fiasco, calling what these two women have a marriage, is just totally ridiculous! "Civil union" would be much more suitable!

AngelP, I'm sure you're not that PO'd about people using a different word than you would prefer... or are you really that much of a Nazi that you believe you should have total control over every word that every person uses?

I'm a conservative and a regular church-goer. I still can't figure out how this, in any way diminishes the value of MY marriage (to a woman). If two people of the same sex are happy together, then good for them. I think this falls into the category of "none of my business".

AngelP, what's the difference? If a civil union has all the same rights and perogatives as a marrige, what difference does it make what it is called? And, why should the twwo women's relationship be any more a fiasco than yours? You say you believe gays should have equal rights under the law, but your subsequent words (declining moral fabric, fiasco, rediculous) reveal your true feeelings.

It's not a marriage to me. Sorry..

I have a right to my beliefs and opinions. The bigger percentage of America feels just like I do.

TomTom::: I have never seen a heterosexual MALE breast feeding in public-- or in private for that matter.

IT'S NOT A MARRIAGE! 2 PEOPLE OF THE SAME SEX CAN NOT AND ARE NOT MARRIED! Find another name for it when same sex decide to cohabitate, but stop calling it marriage.

Marriage marriage marriage marriage marriage marriage marriage.

Bear Cat
and may God Judge you according to your judgements,

Phil-2518241
and what you are going to change the law Good luck there.

dano-2070101

It's not a marriage to me. Sorry..

do not be sorry be sorry for all the marriages that do not last!
I fear that you may find that these Marriages are a lot more sacred then the average hetero Marriages the vow says till death do us part I for one do not believe in Divorce
that's for weasels and Idiots. Luke The Drifter said: "be careful of stones that you throw"

I for one do not believe in Divorce
that's for weasels and Idiots.

James,

C'mon. Weasels and idiots? If a woman is being beaten by her drunken husband, she is a weasel and an idiot for getting divorced?

Show some pragmatism. High minded idealism only works in a vacuum.

Eff your god and your stupid backward thinking. Instead of believing in a book written by man that is full of flaws lies discrimination murder ect. You should be putting your faith in people. Sadly we forget that and but it into something man created to make himself feel better so he could explain away all the bad things. The world would be 100% better without religion and its hold on the sheeple.

Funny, I've not seen anyone propose being able to marry your dog or your sister...

Ca Bear ... ever notice how the right wing is obsessed with bestiality, incest, pedophilia, etc....? Other than defaulting on debt, sex must be the only thing they ever think about. Their thought processes are very frightening. They shouldn't be permitted to be around children.

Whew!! I do have to disagree with the "two beautiful women" comment from googie. You cant possibly mean the two cutting the cake in the photo. Or did I miss something??? Just sayin.....

So two women get "married" but one looks like a guy. ???????

Cabear: It would be fine as long as the dog is gay. Your sister could marry your other sister but not you because that wouldnt be gay enough Dude. Come on! Think these things through for crying out loud.

Not one of you that are strongly against it can answer some very simple questions. How do two people that you do not know getting married effect your daily life? Who or better what are they harming? What defines marriage? Who are you to say how someone can live or who they can love? How does this change or hurt your choices?

If it harms no one then what exactly is bad about it other than your almighty book says so?

Since we have established a separation of church and state in America, I don't see why any perversion between two or more consenting participants should be illegal.

You know my take on this is that I could care less if a dude wants another dudes shlt stick. But its getting really old all of the Gay this and Gay that. I mean we dont have heterosexual parades as an example. Its just that there seems to be this overwhelming desire to shove this gay rhetoric down all of our throats. I dont have a bumper sticker proclaiming my love of pussy. You know its just over the top. Do gays needs to proclaim they are gay when they go into the military? I didnt sign anything saying I was straight. Its just the agenda is nothing more than a bunch of people saying, Hey everyone look at me I am gay! Who gives a shlt? Keep it to yourself thats all the rest of the country is saying.

One of my favorite TV series is "To Catch a Preditor". And many times the host asks the guy who comes to "visit" a teenage boy is MARRIED and the father of some children. There was one instance where the perp arrived with his 5-year-old son in tow. Good christian, eh? Going to subject his little boy to his play-- and with a son in tow I would imagine he was heterosexual since he said his wife was at work and he couldn't leave his son at home. Fine christian.

Oh, the Norwegian who shot all those children at the camp in Norway is a christian.

gunslingers::: What do you mean. We have parades all the time where there are heterosexuals on parade. And many times homosexuals are not allowed to enter the parade. And have you seen some of the costumes that heterosexuals wear in some parades! There have been heterosexuals marching in gay pride parades-- the homosexuals don't kick them to the curb. They say the more the merrier.

The only time I have seen screwing in public was a heterosexual couple. At least I guess it was-- one was a male and the other was a female. Right out in the open and in a PARK!

I have never heard of a parade that was designed specifically for the purpose of promoting heterosexual activity. Every parade excluding Gay Pride parades are generally for the purpose of entertaining the parade viewers lining the route and for the satisfaction of the parade participants after they have given some form of joy and entertainment for the others. Now maybe I live in a bubble but thats the parades I have witnessed. Now the Gay Pride parades on the other hand are very specific and frankly very graphic. I witnessed one several years ago in SF and that my friend was not family friendly. I was stuck waiting to get to a shopping mall at the end of the cable car line as the parade went by. I also live in a very liberal city that also has a gay pride parade. Now if you have not witnessed one of these I suggest you do so before raising lame arguments about parades and their intentions. Be objective. If you read what I said was that America is tired of all the Hey we are Gay! 90% could care less if you are gay. Its the overt look at us mentality that we are sick of.

You lipstick or butch googie?

no more parades for anybody, those damn marching bands demanding special rights!!!! It's unnatural!!

Really? When was the last time you saw a straight pride parade? Hell, if the straights did that, it would be deemed bigoted, etc. As for that deal in Norway, that could very well happen here also. You never know.............

Yup not one hate monger could answer those simple questions.

A lot of gay people keep quiet about who they are at their work and the like. They don't all come out there shouting gay, gay, gay...look at me...

The reason gay rights are needed is that heterosexuals will start speculating on who they are and treating them wrongly because of it...that's WHY. No, they aren't asking for "special rights" Special implies more than equal. They haven't yet achieved EQUALITY. You have to at least be equal before you can ask for more...

Marriage!? I don't think so, marriage is between man and woman. I don't agree with the new law, doesn't mean I don't like the people, just saying. I hate gay pride parades, think parades should be for anyone and not one particular group picked out. I know now I'll hear anyone can go to this type of parade. No thank you. I think there are more important things to do in this country than marry man/man or woman/woman. Makes no sense to me. In all its time since the beginning marriages are between men/women, but lets change everything around and now let us have families with just females or males oh wait there are some places that teach this in Kindergarten. Crazy world!

Actually, yes, there is now marriage between same sex couples.

Your stance is what makes no sense to me. How does a loving commitment by another couple some how harm you and obviously make you so fearful? Did you just suddenly wake up this morning and realize there are gay people in the world? (what do you think those parades are about if not to wake you up? perhaps you just learned about 'coming out of the closet' and what it means, but that's the point...no one should hide who they are because it simply makes you uncomfortable.) Crazy world indeed.

lemur lady:

You know I have to take exception the the comments regarding special rights. Now based on what I have witnessed over the years and what I see in this world today once someone or a group or a race or a religion receives "special rights" they tend to want more and never seem to lose the special things made to them. Example: Have you ever heard of the United White College Fund? Or White Entertainment TV? That would be racist wouldnt it? How about bending rules for Muslims just to be politically correct. I can list many for that group. How about the illegal aliens that have put a huge burden on our fragile economy. They not only are here illegally they want their own RIGHTS. You see we all have rights as a citizen of this country as a citizen I have a right to not be bombarded with Gay rhetoric. I have worked with gay people. I know there are gay people. America knows there are gay people. What everyone is trying to say is simple. WE DONT CARE! Its as if gays cant stop themselves from making this bigger than it needs to be. Its the over the top hey what about me mentality. Hell gays went from the closet to the pulpit! Get over yourselves. The rest of us have. Truly its not anything anyone cares about unless you are gay. WE accept you already now move on.

Do Christians believe that the only homosexuality permitted is between a priest an an 8 year old boy?

As usual, the bigots are out in force.

Why is is you people are so worried about what goes on in someone else's bedroom?

It's no one's business what goes on in another's bedroom, or their life.

And look up the word MARRIAGE. It doesn't always use the words "between a man and a woman."

NY is broke!! --- It sells dog licenses to raise money, so why not sell marriage licenses? Makes sense.

Gunslingers

I couldn't agree more, I am too am tired of Gay this and Gay that, and your right where are the parades of just heterosexual's. I too want a bumper sticker that proclaims my love of pussy. Oh but we cant have that, but we can have all the damn gay pride and lesbian this that and the other thing too. I do not recall signing any paperwork when I joined the Marine Corps that stated that I was gay or not. I think if someone wants to live that way more power to them, just dont infringe upon my right to enjoy some pussy.

opsman,

No one is infringing on your right to enjoy "pussy" except self respecting women.

How is it, that some random strangers right to marry and love any other consenting adult, is some how effecting all of you right wingers?

It is BASIC CIVIL LIBERTIES, live and let live folks!

religious people are seriously sickening. the morality of our society doesn't depend on what is in the bible, it depends on us treating each other with respect and staying out of other people's business. stop telling people to prove the bible isn't the word of god, and start trying to prove it. it makes absolutely no sense. get a real education and think for yourself for a change. it might make you a nicer and more tolerant person.

"Its as if gays cant stop themselves from making this bigger than it needs to be."

So, exactly what IS the amount of outrage that you believe is appropriate when people are denied their civil rights?

Actually a gay couple aren't really married. They have a piece of paper given to them by "man", to quiet them down and they don't realize it. The very same men that approved it would never want their son to be gay and never properly keep the family name going. Americans will not change their morals and values just because a law changes. We will all forget about it in a week as long as it doesn't affect our families or moral values. Nothing has been won or gained if it hasn't been gained properly in the eyes of God. The President wants gay votes, but he's lost moral American votes unfortunately, which happen to be millions. He's ruining what's left of our country, humanity and reproduction between a man and a woman.

God doesn't acknowledge gay marriage, therefore it's fornication, and fornicators will not go to Heaven, unless they walk away from sin. So I don't know why a gay couple would want to get married, it's not really a marriage and 2 men standing together, both in suits saying vows doesn't even look right. That's strange. God have mercy on your souls.

OK, speaking of God, where is the old slacker when there's a genocide, a plague, a natural disaster, or a war? Or just your average Saturday night triple-shotgun murder?

If your god can't think of anything better than sticking his big old nose into other people's pants, he needs to shake a tail feather and move on to another galaxy.

Carlia, you are truly offensive. You stand with "god" in front of you trying to deflect your bigotry and hatred. To be completely honest, I feel sorry for you. You spend your entire life trying to please an imaginary non-entity instead of enjoying the only life you get. While you're busy trying to impose your hatred on everyone else, I will enjoy my life and be glad I don't know people like you.

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Boy - this guy spends a lot of time thinking about incest and bestiality - watch out family reunion and do not let him volunteer at a animal shelter :)

Heres what I find hilarity in:

People for gay marriage and rights beyond what is currently afforded people who have same sex preferences will continually bash anyone who has religious beliefs, faith or trust in a God or higher power but will become immediately defensive once anyone questions or debates them on their right to marry.

Gay marriage supporters will spend so much of their argumentative time bashing conventional marriage and all its misgivings, saying that if marriage is so special how come the divorce rate is so high. Then why the fight to marry if this is so bad? In addition, take into consideration that since gay marriage just became legal in NY, the gay rate of divorce or infidelity could out pace that of heteros when there has been a census in the future.

Gay marriage supporters rush to counter attack the marry anyone argument with the simple premise of consent. Truth is that the age of consent differs state to state, some states allowing 16 year olds to marry, often in areas where polygamists want to ride the legal precedent of gay marriage straight into state supreme courts, because as they define it - their right to marry multiple partners of the opposite sex is considered simple discrimination, as do men who wish to marry someone that might be considered a minor in a neighboring state but is considered the age of consent in another.

People often consider it common sense that two people of the same sex should be able to have the same rights as the blacks did in the 60s and link their argument to civil rights legislation. No where has there been a legal link between sexual preference and race. This link does not exist but people are willing to piggyback on a milestone of legislation that really doesnt see their plight in the same legal light.

Gay marriage supporters see this NY law as progressive and good for the nation without making any connection to societies from the past and historical nations that have allowed behaviors once considered vices to become normal behavior. Islam as a whole considers Europe and the US to be evil simply because we consistently loosen our tolerance for practices considered selfish or grandiose. Gay marriage supporters will often use the argument that heteros talk about austere sexual practices more than they do, but its clear that something is often discussed more when it is rarely or seldom practiced as this is often the way to understand or rationalize the use of a less than understood act.

People will often blame Christianity or worse yet, God for what they call bigotry or prejudice. They often point to the Old Testament which is not currently in practice due to freewill and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Love and tolerance can be practiced without agreeing to supporting a behavior one deems abhorrent. This doesnt allow for condemnation of others, just a simple agreement to disagree without any judgment. The bible is considered a fairy tale book even though it contains 300 prophecies that have come true since its inception, more that any other book in history including that Quran.

God doesn't MAKE anyone do anything and since we have rejected Him a long time ago to pursue our own way of life because "we know better", He leaves us to it. If it feels good to us then we must rationalize it as a behavior or an act that is acceptable. Weve been doing it for centuries.

Selfishness, it's all about Me Me Me. Love all my dirt as I hate God, you and what you stand for. It's overwhelming in the comments.

"Actually a gay couple aren't really married."

Really? I think the state of NY disagrees.

I would like to offer special congratulations to Divorce Lawyers. Their potential client base just increased.

Do whatever you want with or to yourselves. Get married, pretend you're normal and accepted. It must be true because the government says so now, right? I couldn't care less.

But please don't adopt children and impose your fantasy upon them. I'm sure you would be loving "parents" and all that, but that would be the epitome of selfishness just to make you feel complete - just accept that natural cost of your choice and be happy just as two.

Be honest with yourselves - isn't the whole purpose of seeking legalization of gay mariage really just to feel complete, normal and accepted? If not, why do you give a crap? Just be what you choose to be... or were born to be... whatever.

Do you think orphan kids REALLY want to stay in an orphanage instead of parents? I doubt they honestly care what the gender of the parents they are, as long as they have a loving family.

I'mbored - There's no shortage of straight couples that want to adopt. I have a friend that was on a waiting list for 5 years! Couples often go overseas to speed the process, if they have the money. If this were not the case I'd change my tune on the subject - but your question is moot.

In answer to your question, no - but given the choice, probably (depending on age). Being in a loving family is the most important ingredient, but it's not the only one - given the choice, all other things being equal, why not put the kid in a 'normal' environment?

Do you really believe it wouldn't make a difference in the adopted kid's life? Not the P.C. fantasy world answer, be honest.

Mark and Bill I am with you on this. I don't think it is right. I was scrolling down the msn page on this article and in the video section it said that California is going to teach GAY HISTORY. How is it that San Francisco can ban kiddie meals but not this? I think that the GAY HISTORY class is worse than the kiddie meals could ever be

I have no idea why northern CA people do what they do. Not only did they ban Happy Meals. SAN FRANCISCO BANNED CIRCUMCISIONS.

I am with all of you. I think teaching gay history is a waste of time because none of our students can read or write anyway. But the illegal alien kids (who are the ONLY kids in public school) will learn all about gay history. They'll grow up to be politicians.

I also think that gay marriage is worse than smoking pot.

Sooo....what should happen to the people that do engage in incestuous or bestial relations? You have to admit that it does happen. If it's illegal to have relations with a sibling or an animal, should those people be discriminated against? Fired from their jobs? Arrested? I have yet to hear in all this talk about gay marriage, ONE valid reason why we won't eventually see sibling or animal marriages in the near future.

A couple of weeks after NY passed this law, polygamists filed suit in federal court in UT saying their rights were discriminated against.

So, how many billions were spent to allow the marrying of 800 couples?

Who cares? Obviously the wrong don't. No cost is too high to make sure their agenda to destroy America come true.

heres the problem with adoption most people want a BABY not a child they dont want a child that is in there eyes damaged they dont want to work on that relationship with an older child. And before i get attacked not all people who want to adopt want babies but the majority of them do thats why people are on waiting list for so long as well as how much money they have an what kinds of living conditions they are in. And children in a home environment with two same sex parents dont grow up any differently they are given the choice to be themselves. There not going to be gay because there parents are despite popular belief. Same as a child who is gay with two parents that are heterosexual. You done choose it and i dont care how many of you agree with me or not what you say has no effect on me. And weather they marry or not dosent not effect me. I think that the risk is the same for divorce in any circumstance so i dont belive anyone should get married if they are unshur but things happen and its nice to have a way out if it is really that bad. So thoes of you who dont believe in divorce you can shove it because if i was in a situation that bad then i would want out. I dont know how any of you can think that you better than anyone else. WE all make mistakes and we all want to be treated fairly. I am 24 and i have a three year old daughter and i am not married no im not bragging but i can still raise my chid as good if not better than a married couple. Same goes for gay marraige they have the right to be with the person they want to be with regardless of what other people think so you all need to get over yourselves and move on. there is nothing wrong with wanting to be able to make crutical decisions for the ones that you love.

A couple of weeks after NY passed this law, polygamists filed suit in federal court in UT saying their rights were discriminated against.

Gee, Karen, maybe you should point out Reynolds v. US to them -- being the non-lawyer that you are.

Rebecca

Please make certain your child gets more schooling that you did. There are grammar and spelling errors in your post.

My comment to your post is: If God wanted two men or two women to raise a baby, he would have made it possible for that type of couple to create its own baby.

I also don't agree that it is better to raise a baby without a father. Where is your baby's father? You can get a court to order the father to contribute.

Do whatever you want with or to yourselves. Get married, pretend you're normal and accepted. It must be true because the government says so now, right? I couldn't care less.

But please don't adopt children and impose your fantasy upon them. I'm sure you would be loving "parents" and all that, but that would be the epitome of selfishness just to make you feel complete - just accept that natural cost of your choice and be happy just as two.

Be honest with yourselves - isn't the whole purpose of seeking legalization of gay mariage really just to feel complete, normal and accepted? If not, why do you give a crap? Just be what you choose to be... or were born to be... whatever.

You summed up my opinion succinctly carlmom.

However, we Californians defined marriage as between a man and a woman so gay people can not get married here.

Gay couples can tell the state that they are in a civil union and they will get the benefits of being married. They say they don't have ALL the benefits.

I SAY - WHO CARES - YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT.

At least polygamist families CAN PROCREATE.

Karen, what about infertile heterosexual couples? Should they be prohibited from marrying? Or elderly couples? Or couples who do not wish to have children?

You see, Karen, the fact is that no state in the US requires proof of either the intent or ability to procreate in order to obtain a marriage license -- because procreation is not required for marriage, and vice versa. Furthermore, scientific and medical studies have debunked your "findings":

In 2003, the Canadian Psychological Association (CPA) issued its response to public debate about the effect of marriage of same-sex couples on children. CPA’s review of the psychological research led us to conclude that the children of same-sex parents do not differ from the children of heterosexual parents in terms of their psychosocial development, their gender development and their gender identity. In 2005, the CPA voiced its support to the House of Commons of Bill C-38, legislation legalizing marriage of same-sex couples.

http://www.cpa.ca/cp...6%20%281%29.pdf

In keeping with the broader family studies literature, the literature discussed here indicates that the family factors that are important for children’s outcomes and well-being are family processes and the quality of interactions and relationships. The research indicates that parenting practices and children’s outcomes in families parented by lesbian and gay parents are likely to be at least as favorable as those in families of heterosexual parents, despite the reality that considerable legal discrimination and inequity remain significant challenges for these families. Of particular importance, this review has provided information that can assist psychologists to take an informed approach to some of the important debates that will continue to arise in Australia, as people in same-sex parented families and others advocate the removal of the remaining discrimination in laws, public policies, and social attitudes.

http://www.psycholog...-Lit-Review.pdf

Although it is sometimes asserted in policy debates that heterosexual couples are inherently better parents than same-sex couples, or that the children of lesbian or gay parents fare worse than children raised by heterosexual parents, those assertions find no support in the scientific research literature...When comparing the outcomes of different forms of parenting, it is critically important to make appropriate comparisons. For example, differences resulting from the number of parents in a household cannot be attributed to the parents’ gender or sexual orientation. Research in households with heterosexual parents generally indicates that—all else being equal—children do better with two parenting figures rather than just one. The specific research studies typically cited in this regard do not address parents’ sexual orientation, however, and therefore do not permit any conclusions to be drawn about the consequences of having heterosexual versus non-heterosexual parents, or two parents who are of the same versus different genders...Indeed, the scientific research that has directly compared outcomes for children with gay and lesbian parents with outcomes for children with heterosexual parents has been consistent in showing that lesbian and gay parents are as fit and capable as heterosexual parents, and their children are as psychologically healthy and well-adjusted as children reared by heterosexual parents. Empirical research over the past two decades has failed to find any meaningful differences in the parenting ability of lesbian and gay parents compared to heterosexual parents. Most research on this topic has focused on lesbian mothers and refutes the stereotype that lesbian parents are not as child-oriented or maternal as non-lesbian mothers. Researchers have concluded that heterosexual and lesbian mothers do not differ in their parenting ability. Relatively few studies have directly examined gay fathers, but those that exist find that gay men are similarly fit and able parents, as compared to heterosexual men.

http://www.ca9.uscou...27/amicus29.pdf

There is ample evidence to show that children raised by same-gender parents fare as well as those raised by heterosexual parents. More than 25 years of research have documented that there is no relationship between parents' sexual orientation and any measure of a child's emotional, psychosocial, and behavioral adjustment. These data have demonstrated no risk to children as a result of growing up in a family with 1 or more gay parents. Conscientious and nurturing adults, whether they are men or women, heterosexual or homosexual, can be excellent parents. The rights, benefits, and protections of civil marriage can further strengthen these families.

http://pediatrics.aa.../118/1/349#SEC6

Children and adolescents raised by same-sex parents are as likely to be well-adjusted as children raised by heterosexual parents, including ‘biological’ parents. Numerous studies of youths raised by same-sex parents conducted over the past 25 years by respected researchers and published in peer-reviewed academic journals conclude that children and adolescents raised by same-sex parents are as successful psychologically, emotionally, and socially as children and adolescents raised by heterosexual parents, including ‘biological’ parents. Furthermore, the research makes clear that the same factors affect the adjustment of youths, whatever the sexual orientation of their parents...It is beyond scientific dispute that the factors that account for the adjustment of children and adolescents are the quality of the youths’ relationships with their parents, the quality of the relationship between the parents or significant adults in the youths’ lives, and the availability of economic and socio-emotional resources. These factors affect adjustment in both traditional and nontraditional families. The parents’ sex or sexual orientation does not affect the capacity to be good parents or their children’s healthy development. There is also no empirical support for the notion that the presence of both male and female role models in the home promotes children's adjustment or well-being.

http://www.glad.org/...ma-aff-lamb.pdf

In summary, there is no evidence to suggest that lesbian women or gay men are unfit to be parents or that psychosocial development among children of lesbian women or gay men is compromised relative to that among offspring of heterosexual parents. Not a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents. Indeed, the evidence to date suggests that home environments provided by lesbian and gay parents are as likely as those provided by heterosexual parents to support and enable children's psychosocial growth.

http://www.apa.org/p.../parenting.aspx

In its Resolution on Sexual Orientation and Marriage, the Association resolved, based on empirical research concerning sexual orientation and marriage, “That the APA believes that it is unfair and discriminatory to deny same-sex couples legal access to civil marriage and to all its attendant benefits, rights, and privileges.” And in its Resolution on Sexual Orientation, Parents, and Children, the Association recognized that “There is no scientific evidence that parenting effectiveness is related to parental sexual orientation: lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children.” In both Resolutions the Association resolved to provide scientific and educational resources, such as this amicus brief, to inform public discussion and understanding of these issues.

http://www.courtinfo...uriae_Brief.pdf

Erin

You don't need to direct posts to me because I don't read them.

I get paid to read so I carefully select what I read during my free time.

That's funny, I get paid to read, too: I'm a librarian.

Who explains the big words to you, Karen?

I'm sure you don't read my posts because you're afraid of what they contain: the facts that debunk your bull@!$%#.

"So, how many billions were spent to allow the marrying of 800 couples?"

I don't know. How many billions were spent to KEEP those same 800 couples from being able to marry?

Be honest with yourselves - isn't the whole purpose of seeking legalization of gay mariage really just to feel complete, normal and accepted? If not, why do you give a crap?

Actually, it is more about the approximately 1,100 federal rights and responsibilities that attach to marriage, PLUS the fact that treating people as second-class citizens in this country is unconstitutional.

Gays don't care about the acceptance of bigots like you and Karen in LA; they just want equal rights.

Gay couples can tell the state that they are in a civil union and they will get the benefits of being married.

WRONG AGAIN, Karen: federal law does not recognize civil unions, only marriages, so gays cannot "get the benefits" from the feds that come with being married.

And you STILL call yourself a paralegal? What does a non-lawyer like YOU know about the law?

ErinNJ

That's funny, I get paid to read, too: I'm a librarian.

yawn, I guess somebody has to do it.

And today she gets paid to read. Yesterday she was a paralegal, before that a journalist. Whatever occupation she pretends to be aside, she remains a bigot in all of her posts.

ErinNJ, I don't get paid to read but I still ignore your posts.

So basically you only want to read what you agree with? Oh typical bigot...

@Robin

Do Christians believe that the only homosexuality permitted is between a priest an an 8 year old boy?

That is not homosexuality, that is pedophelia.

Lizzie, that's because people like you and Tired don't want to let facts interfere with your bigotry.

Lizzie, that's because people like you and Tired don't want to let facts interfere with your bigotry.

wowzer - what a comeback. Aren't you clever?

Here is ONE fact that no one seems to mind:

Homosexual couples can not naturally conceive children. THAT IS A FACT.

That fact alone tells me that God does not agree with gay marriage. If God wanted two men or two women to raise a baby, he would have made it possible for them to naturally create one.

Children and family ARE the basis of marriage whether you agree or not with THAT FACT.

PS - I am NOT a librarian.

Homosexual couples can not naturally conceive children.

Karen, you still haven't shown what procreation has to do with marriage -- neither is required for the other.

And what "God" agrees with is irrelevant, since we are a secular nation; God does not make our laws.

Children and family ARE NOT the basis of marriage whether or not you agree with THAT FACT. Show us ONE STATE that requires either the intent or ability to procreate in order to obtain a marriage license. How do you explain the elderly, infertile, and those who do not wish to have children being allowed to marry in EVERY state?

PS: You are not a lawyer, either. If you had bothered to read, you would know that I am a librarian.

from this article

----A recent Siena poll found that 58 percent of New Yorkers support gay marriage. Nationally, the U.S. public is nearly evenly split, with 45 percent in favor and 46 percent opposed, according to a recent Pew Research Center poll.

what happened to the 53% approval that all the liberals keep talking about?

yeah it's right here. christianitytoday.com/ctpolitics/2011/03/poll_growing_pu.html I would like to see a link to this "siena poll" (hopefully it'll show up this time it keeps getting deleted)

Here's Siena's poll: http://www.siena.edu/uploadedfiles/home/Parents_and_Community/Community_Page/SRI/SNY_Poll/SNYJune132011PollReleaseFINAL.pdf
with 54% for gay marriage, 36% against.

Gallup's latest on the topic: http://www.gallup.com/poll/147662/first-time-majority-americans-favor-legal-gay-marriage.aspx 53% for and 45% against.

The ONLY poll that counts is at the ballot box.

Or did Dewey actually beat Truman?

"The ONLY poll that counts is at the ballot box."

Luckily, you don't get to vote on other people's civil rights.

Uh, Karen...did Bush really beat Gore?

Karen, in post #3.90, I believe you are quoting ErinNJ, #3.89) not me. And I agree with you. Be well.

ErinNJ

Gee, Karen, maybe you should point out Reynolds v. US to them -- being the non-lawyer that you are.

#3.75 - Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:42 AM EDT

Interesting that Erin is pro-gay marriage, yet cites Reynolds v. US. The majority decision in that case against Reynolds would tend to undermine the case she's trying to make for gay marriage if the same standards were applied....

From the decision:

"...Polygamy has always been odious among the northern and western nations of Europe, and, until the establishment of the Mormon Church, was almost exclusively a feature of the life of Asiatic and of African people. At common law, the second marriage was always void, and from the earliest history of England polygamy has been treated as an offence against society....

From that day to this we think it may safely be said there never has been a time in any State of the Union when polygamy has not been an offence against society, cognizable by the civil courts and punishable with more or less severity. In the face of all this evidence, it is impossible to believe that the constitutional guaranty of religious freedom was intended to prohibit legislation in respect to this most important feature of social life. Marriage, while from its very nature a sacred obligation, is nevertheless, in most civilized nations, a civil contract, and usually regulated by law. Upon it society may be said to be built, and out of its fruits spring social relations and social obligations and duties, with which government is necessarily required to deal..."

Duh, Jim. That was Erin's point.

Karen in Los Angeles

The ONLY poll that counts is at the ballot box

they didnt poll me, or anyone that I know,,,did they poll you, or anyone you know?How about anyone here, did anyone here participate in this poll?---I know what most on here would say, but regardless, I was just wondering IF ANYONE actually was polled or heard of anyone that they personally know that was polled---be honest...

DrDrGimmetheNews

Duh, Jim. That was Erin's point.

#3.101 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:07 PM EDT

Did you actually read what I wrote in #3.100? Erin is arguing FOR gay marriage. I just countered her position with the same court case she cited, showing how it can be used as an argument AGAINST gay marriage. Please read, think, then post.

Yes. She is being sarcastic because Karen in LosAngeles periodically claims to be a paralegal and the resident Knower-of-all-things-legal AND because people use the polygamy slippery slope argument all the time about why gay marriage should not be legalized when polygamy and gay marriage are not akin and are separate issues. There's history on the vines here you may not understand.

Karen, I thought you are not religious. What's with the "GOD WANTS THIS NOT THAT" argument?

Karen, in post #3.90, I believe you are quoting ErinNJ, #3.89) not me. And I agree with you. Be well.

Lizzie63 - I've been busy reading so I did not see this until today. SORRY FOR CONFUSION and YES, I was quoting Ms. Know It all.

DeeDee - I am NOT religious but I believe in a supreme energy source. Per the laws of physics, energy can not be created or destroyed. If that is the case, HOW THE HELL DID WE GET HERE? I call that supreme energy GOD and I believe in the natural laws of the universe which means that babies are created from male sperm and female eggs. I DO NOT ATTEND CHURCH AND DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO ANY OTHER LAWS EXCEPT THE NATURAL LAWS AND COMMON SENSE LOGIC.

Tired - I can not answer your question because I neither answer polls nor do I pay attention to them. I do use my grocery store card so that their buyers can buy what I usually purchase in bulk. I am frequently polled on the internet but I never answer those polls. I once interviewed with a company that does that. Scary!

Jim - You make very good points re: Reynolds v. US. I guess some people just can not see the forest through the trees. All I know is that Prop 8 will ultimately be upheld.

You make very good points re: Reynolds v. US. I guess some people just can not see the forest through the trees.

What both you and Jim -- in your abundant ignorance -- fail to realize is that Reynolds v. US was a First Amendment case, in which the US Supreme Court affirmed the lower court's ruling that the law did not violate Reynolds's First Amendment right to religious freedom:

Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices. Suppose one believed that human sacrifices were a necessary part of religious worship; would it be seriously contended that the civil government under which he lived could not interfere to prevent a sacrifice? Or if a wife religiously believed it was her duty to burn herself upon the funeral pile of her dead husband; would it be beyond the power of the civil government to prevent her carrying her belief into practice?...To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and, in effect, to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself. Government could exist only in name under such circumstances.

So please: enlighten us ALL as to how that could be applied as precedent by supporters of such laws as Prop H8 -- which, BTW, Karen, will NOT be upheld, despite what you claim to "know". Even the most conservative legal experts feel that the Supreme Court will find such laws unconstitutional by a vote of 5-4 or 6-3, given their recent pattern of rulings.

So, what makes your supreme energy god superior to other's beliefs then, Karen?

How else are you going to explain the naturally occuring homosexuality in the animal kingdom? Would you say that they are an abomination to your supreme energy god?

ErinNJ

What both you and Jim -- in your abundant ignorance -- fail to realize is that Reynolds v. US was a First Amendment case, in which the US Supreme Court affirmed the lower court's ruling that the law did not violate Reynolds's First Amendment right to religious freedom:

#3.107 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:22 PM EDT

I'm well aware that it was a First Amendment case...but you still missed (or ignored) my point.

Try reading the decision again, with the contextual knowledge that homosexual activity "has always been odious among the northern and western nations of Europe [and in the United States]...and...has been treated as an offense against society..." "...Marriage, while from its very nature a sacred obligation, is nevertheless, in most civilized nations, a civil contract, and usually regulated by law. Upon it society may be said to be built, and out of its fruits spring social relations and social obligations and duties, with which government is necessarily required to deal..."

If homosexual activity is considered odious and an offense against society (which the majority of the US populace still believe), there is no historical precedent in common law for same-sex marriage, and the government can impose regulations on marriage (limiting it to one man and one woman), then the government certainly has the authority to prohibit the marriage of two people of the same sex.

If you're going to argue that something as objectionable as same-sex marriage (something that was unthinkable to the justices in Reynolds v. US) has to be allowed by law, then on what legal basis can the government claim authority to prohibit polygamy?

Please don't bother wasting time with the assertion that the "slippery slope" concern does not apply. Marrying more than one person of the opposite sex at least has hundreds of years of historical precedent and acceptance--and is still practiced in many countries...there is no such equivalency for marrying someone of the same sex. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too. If we say that regulating marriage to being between one man and one woman is wrong, and we have to allow marriage between same-sex couples just because those people are "in love" and "want to be in committed and legally recognized relationships", then there is no longer any rational argument against permitting multiple individuals to legally marry for those same exact reasons. Liberal activists pushing for same-sex marriage cannot have their cake and eat it too--if the argument is valid for them, then it's just as valid for the polygamists.

How is it that you can claim it would hurt you to have the guy down the street have two or three wives, if you say it doesn't hurt you to have the guy down the street married to another guy?

DrDrGimmetheNews

Yes. She is being sarcastic because Karen in LosAngeles periodically claims to be a paralegal and the resident Knower-of-all-things-legal AND because people use the polygamy slippery slope argument all the time about why gay marriage should not be legalized when polygamy and gay marriage are not akin and are separate issues. There's history on the vines here you may not understand.

#3.104 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:36 AM EDT

I understand...I just don't find it relevant. The case Erin brought up would actually tend to undermine the case for same-sex marriage if the current court applied the same standards and reasoning to prohibiting same-sex marriage as to prohibiting polygamy (even though same-sex marriage is not a religious practice).

As for your claim that same-sex marriage and polygamy are not akin and are separate issues, how exactly is that? Both situations deal with consenting adults that wish to legally commit themselves to marriage. If we can start marrying two men to each other and two women to each other, then what rational legal argument do you have against marrying more than two people to each other? At least when it wasn't possible for more than one person of the same-sex to enter into a marriage, that provided somewhat of a legal basis to prevent polygamy. But if same-sex individuals can marry, then every person in a polygamous marriage could technically be permitted to marry each of the other individuals...

The simple fact of the matter (an inconvenient one for proponents of same-sex marriage) is that once you start trying to alter the traditional definition of marriage (one man and one woman), then you undermine any rational argument for prohibiting any marriage between two (or more) consenting adults.

I'm sure you don't read my posts because you're afraid of what they contain: the facts that debunk your bull@!$%#.

And yet she responds to them...

I like to debunk Karen's bull@!$%# as well...Right on Erin!

As a firm believer in the Christian way of life, I find the details of this discussion irrelevant. Homosexuality and beastiality are all the same to me. None of these immoral acts are worth any rationalization. Try all you want but it's still just a path to hell.

Ask how well that turned out for Rosie O'Donnal. She is still whining she had no prenup.

NO more than any one else who married and later divorced.

No they can't.

Yes they can and they have
In several states

If only the rest of us had the wisdom and confidence to speak on behalf of a complex and multi-dimensional universe.

On the contrary, there is plenty of room in heaven for loving and caring folks of all manner and stripe. Unfortunately for you Carlia, there is no room in heaven for ignorant bigots, unless you are willing to walk away from you sin of bigotry. Are you or will you cling to your hate a bit longer?

I am "man" and I say "meow" means "I do". Did I just marry my cat? Darn, and what about all it's babies??

advice...I'm sure the two of you will make beautiful kittens.

God says if we love we will follow His commandments.

I'm too seasoned in the word of God to fall for those words, which gays have been using for years to try to get their way. You show so much hatred, bigotry and selfishness when no one agrees with you or will not accept your unclean behavior and you began name calling. You should learn to accept and respect everyone will not accept your actions, nor will our Heavenly Father God. None that are unclean will enter into Heaven. Your consistent name calling will not be tolerated in Heaven, only love for those of us that are saved.

:P Carlia, I just made a family.

Was it ordained by God, in a moral and proper way?

One man married to one woman. One woman married to one man.

Was it ordained by God, in a moral and proper way?

One man married to one woman. One woman married to one man.

Carlia.. It's a blessing to see that a few people have the guts to stand strong and still tell the truth like it is. Homosexuality is an abomination against God and anyone who commits these acts needs to repent of sin, accept Jesus Christ as God of their lives and be set free of that wickedness.

God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and steve. God made MAN for WOMAN and WOMAN for MAN. The fact is that we are living in the end times as written clearly in Revelations in the Bible.

God said wickedness would be called good and good would be seen as evil in the end times and we see this happening today before our eyes in the world.

The wrath of God will come down upon this nation even greater, more earthquakes, crops will die, famine will come, much wrath shall be poured out because the masses turn away from God and accept wickedness such as homosexuality.

Jesus Christ is Lord! :)

Carlia, Marriage as a civil contract predates the Abrahamic religions, and gay marriage predates Christianity.

You might want to read the Constitution and brush up on the Equal protection Clause of the 14th Amendment, and the SCOTUS decision Loving v. Virgina to see how they will rule when gay marriage comes before the nine wise robes.

Have a nice day.

Bestiality and incest predates Christianity too. I'm sure we'll see people marrying their dogs before too long.

Have a nice day.

Mark, I don't know of anyone who wants to legalize incest.

You cannot marry your dog because it isn't human and cannot give consent.

Jesus Christ is Lord and He lives.

@epistomologist~~~There's no such thing as gay marriage. God ordains marriage. Gay people of NY have been given a piece of paper by man, to quiet you all down, and for Obama to get your votes. Which means nothing in the eyes of God, only fornication.

You might want to read and brush up on the Holy Bible and learn the real truth, so that your soul will be saved.

Oh, but how God will rule when you stand before Him!!!

Carlia, I'm truly attempting to respect your opinion here, but..there IS a reason why there is a separation between church and state in our lovely nation.
To get married to the person you love is a basic human right, no?
We're already in the year 2012. What's our business in denying them that right? If people would like to get married, that's their issue; we have nothing to do with that.
In your opinion, is homosexuality really a choice? Why? So that they can be faced with hostility and harassment? Some choice.

In my high school, there are about two that I know of who have recently come out of the closet. It took a lot of strength, guts, and support from family/friends. I've known one in particular since elementary school.
He happens to be one of the amazing guys I know.
So please don't call my friend "unclean." He's a human being - not an alien. You referred to the other poster as a name caller, but with all due respect, I'm calling you out on this one.

(Hi there, RedDash, this includes you as well.)

(Hi there, RedDash, this includes you as well.)

@O rly

Let me ask you a question. If you see a person on the street who is drunk and laying in a gutter, is it fair to call that person a drunk ? Is it fair to say they are unclean? Yes or no... ?

The point is that, calling a person by a name that says exactly what they are is not being mean, it's being honest. It's the sin of homosexuality that is unclean and sinful in the eyes of God and it's being honest to call the sin what it is. It has nothing to do with not liking a person, it's a matter of being strong enough and having moral values to stand strong for truth in the eyes of God.

Nobody said your friend is not a human being... what IS being said is that they need to be set free of sin, repent and receive Jesus Christ as Lord of their life. ALL mankind have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, it's why Jesus died for our sins and overcame death so that we ALL could have the same chance to repent and turn from sin. The key is that we must repent, accept Jesus Christ and TURN from that sin though or else we are lost in in. Without Jesus and repenting of sin, we are ALL unclean before the eyes of God.

I didn't write the Holy Bible, God did. If something was so problematic and took others to band together to help, to try to make it right, painful, takes therapists to deal with, then a person should give more thought to what they're doing. Anything that is proper and right flows with ease and without guilt.

Just because your friend is gay doesn't make it right nor does it make that person a clean and pure vessel worthy of Heaven, in the eyes of the Lord. Anyone that is not clean, practicing fornication, is "unclean". We all love our friends and try to support some of their decisions but it doesn't mean every decision they make is a good one. Homosexuality is an unhealthy lifestyle, spiritually, morally, mentally, physically and most of all it leads a person to eternal damnation.

I respect your opinions, and I respect your religion..but please notice that we have come a long, long way from the Bible. Equality no matter age, sex, race, religion, etc.
Look around, and you'll notice that the world is moving forward every day. Even if I'm not yet old enough to vote, am I happy to know I have the right to vote despite the fact that I'm a girl? You bet I am.
My point is that as times change, we will have to update our views to keep with the times.
If we were gifted with a brain and the ability to think, should we not make use of it? We form our own opinions, we make our own mistakes - and hopefully we learn from them. Either way, we are all gloriously flawed [which beats being boring].
Let's say hypothetically that I have two gay friends that would like to get married. How is it that I have the right to deny them that? To deny love? It's a matter between THEM.
Carlia, he didn't need the extra support because the problem was his homosexuality. He needed the support from his loved ones because there were people against homosexuality that would bully him mercilessly at school for being who he is, that would tell him that he's doomed for hell when he didn't even choose it in the first place. You are who you are; don't we have our own vices to worry about before worrying about someone else's?

To speak the obvious, we are a nation with people who worship different religions. It seems that each would like to believe their religion to be the correct one, but the fact of the matter is that respect for others and their beliefs is a mutually agreed upon matter, or not? (Forgive me if I am not familiar with all of the religions of the world; it only seems fair to respect the opinions of others). We cannot/should not force our beliefs down others' throats.

The only thing man was meant to have up his keester was a thermometer.

Being this is a equal rights issue, don't we also have the right to oppose something we think is immoral and disgusting? Bet your ass!!

Carlia: Isn't it hilarious how people will cheerlead the gay marriage thing just to be cool? Alot of mid-west college students fall for this sh!t.

All I have to say to Gays is have your fun now and shrug your shoulders and say "Judgement Day? What a joke." Considering all the "over the top" bullsh!t thats taking place in the world now and the predictions in the Bible, I'd have to say that makes for a pretty big "what if".

President Obama will have to explain his actions as well. He has no idea what he's done to God!! The Bible denounces Gays just before it denounces the nuclear bomb going off and destroying the world!! Every politician who has supported gay marriage will have to stand before God and answer for their actions.

Prepare... we are all just humans before the eyes of God. No one is above his law!!

RedDash, I feel that to be a completely unfair example. First off, to a drunk I'd say that he's completely wasting his gift of life.
A gay, however, can do so many things with his/her life: lawyer, doctor, soldier, etc. Or even just simply being happy with their life, he/she is doing a lot better off than a drunk you see on the street.

Maybe I wasn't clear, but I didn't mean to claim that people don't see my gay friend as a human being. The point I was trying to make was that it doesn't make him a bad guy if he's gay. Yet people are pointing fingers and judging gays without even KNOWING them as people first.

You religious people are wrong. There is nothing immoral about homosexuality. They are what they are. It is merely a mental illness one has to live with.

I dont understand why gays are fighting to have the right to get married. for one marriage is a God ordained Bible preached institution with strict guidelines. So you not interested in following those guidelines but you want to be married. Marriage was also Gods plan to replenish the earth with human life so how are they going to fullfill that? i know people the world over has used God and God's word for their own purposes but I am remined of God's word; it says the mill of the Lord grinds slowly but surely. I dont hat gay persons but i dont approve that lifesyle and i believe that Jesus is the answer for that affliction. One love in Jesus.

So your god made a boo-boo? He is the one who created humans, isn't he? So you holier-than-thou homophobics better chastise him for making homosexuals. See, your god isn't as good as you thought!

Carlia::: You said that god wrote the bible. Sorry, but you are WRONG! Thousands of years after jesus walked this earth (if in fact he did) PEOPLE wrote the bible. Oh, you question me about my comment "if in fact he did"? Well, I didn't see him, and neither did the jokers who wrote the bible. And you didn't either. So we can't be 100% sure he did.

Someone should've said before this that Sunday School was starting early today. Well, heck, if we're playing by those rules:

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to
teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was
first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. " (I Timothy 2:11-14)

In other words, thou shalt shut thy piehole and commenceth to let the men talk verily, Carla, because the man doth come firsth and women cometh second (and sometimes not at all).

(Or are we just going by the Bible passages we like to obey?)

P.S. Shrimp is sin.

for one marriage is a God ordained Bible preached institution with strict guidelines.

Actually it is a state obtained legal contract between consenting adults that grants certain rights and priveleges such as the right to be present when their life partner is on their deathbed in the hospital.

Susie-2759697

Even gods make mistakes. If gods exist, they are nothing more than another species of animals, maybe with some powers beyond our comprehension. They are not perfect. Even Mercedes-Benz make an occasional lemon.

In New York state fornication between same sex partners is not criminal but in the laws of nature it is. New York says that it's new law takes precidents over nature.

It's not nice to fool Mother Nature!

job seeker::: I thought that there was only one god and he was perfect. He goes by many names but it is the same god, not gods. I guess all these years I have been mistaken. Which one is your god? The one people say is so good or one of the other ones.

This is what God says concerning it;

unlawful sexual relations-

Leviticus 18:22 "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable".

Leviticus 18:29 "Everyone who does any of these detestable things --such persons must be cut off from their people. Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the Lord your God"

In GENESIS,

But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

The man said,

"This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called woman, for she was taken out of man".

For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his
wife, and they will become one flesh.

I never found anything in the bible which refers to a man will be united to his man or a woman will be united to her woman.

I guess most gays don't believe in God and if they do they know what the out come will be. In God I trust

Excuse me, but you cannot believe in the laws of this country, and restrict gay marriage. Fight against it being officiated in your church, but as far as the federal level? LEGALLY your religious views cannot obstruct it. You can spout all you want about how your "god" detests it, but BY LAW, it is illegal to restrict it.

Speaking with people who fall back on "god" or the bible as the argument against gay marriage is horribly frustrating.

For those who are quoting the bible, do you realize that, in some cases, the bible is flat wrong?

We eat pork. We eat shellfish. We don't keep slaves. We allow our women the same rights as men. We don't quarantine women on their periods. Yet all of these things are required by the bible.

Why do we recognize all of the above stuff I've mentioned as the utter silliness that it is, yet still cling to "the abomination" of homosexuality?

Apparently, the bible is an a la carte book from which we can pick and choose what to believe.

Carlia Sanderson

Are you talking about that BIG policeman in the sky ? when did he say that ? you heard that yourself? or some one told you that? you read that in a book that was written by mere mortals 2000 years ago what?

@StephAce,

I didn't write Gods laws nor did I write mans laws just stating the difference between the two. If you believe in God that is your reality. It is not my place to judge anyone just stating what God has to say regarding it. How you live your life is your choice how I live my life is my choice. Like it or not. i'm not restricting anything or anyone. Read the bible if you believe in God don't if you don't once again your choice. Everyone has choices in life, no one is twisting anyones arm. If you want to be gay that is once again your choice, if you are not gay once again your choice. There is a difference between Gods laws and mans.

I have to admit, this is a sensitive subject and yes it seems to stir emotions but you either believe in God or not, once again your choice.

Un-enrolled,

Regarding choice:

Heterosexuality always came naturally to me, so I don't understand this.

At what age did you make the conscious decision to be straight?

Susie-2759697

I thought that there was only one god and he was perfect.....Which one is your god?

There is no god in my mind. But if there is one, he is definitely flaw as evident by him creating humans which cannot decide whether it is male or female, and they let this imperfection eat at them their entire life. You assemble billions of droids, you bound to get a few wires crossed and resulting in mental disorders. You are what you are, and that is not gay. They are homosexuals, just as the rest of us are heterosexuals.

Carlia Sanderson - I didn't write the Holy Bible, God did.

"I don't hate fags, my imaginary friend hates fags."

Carlia, grow up and quit trying to blame your ignorant bigotry on your imaginary friend. Take responsibility for your odious views......and keep your Sharia law out of my secular government.

I am a Christian, and I don't think Carlia is being hateful. I understand what she is saying. We are ALL unclean in the eyes of God, and we ALL fall short of HIS glory, which is why Christ died for our sins. The only way to get to heaven is to accept Christ as your Savior, repent of your sins, follow in Baptism, and then try your very best to turn away from sin. We are all going to sin, over and over every day, because we are human after all , but we just have to repent and try harder the next day.It isn't easy but God loves ALL people, and wants ALL people to love him in return and follow His word.

There is a difference in tolerance and acceptance. I tolerate, quite pleasently I might add, gay and homosexual life styles. I have dear friends that I went to school with that are gay, and I don't think it is their choice to have these feelings. I don't however accept it. It is not biblical to accept sin. But a good Christian will tolerate it because that is the way to lead people to the Cross! Spreading hateful, vulgar words is not the way to stop someone from sinning. Carlia, was simply telling you what the bible says about sin. We can't condone sin, but these people holding vulgar signs bashing gays and lebians is NOT the way to show the love of Jesus. That just makes people defensive. Jesus hung out with some of the worst sinners there were. Did that mean he accepted their sin and turned a blind eye to it? No, but he tolerated their sin so he could be around them, spread his message, and let them know the Father loved them. Once people realize God LOVES them, and WANTS them to be part of His Kingdom, they will start reading the Bible and hopefully trying to live their lives differently.

Point is, we ALL sin. But we must try our very best to turn from sin, to love one another, and spread the word of God in the same way Jesus did. With patience, love , and hopefully by setting an example that make people WANT to follow Him in a way that is pleasing to the Father.

Carlia::: you said something about a piece of paper given to the couple by "man"? What the h3ll do you think a marrige license is? Man issues it, the pastor or someone (many times a JP) signs it-- GOD DOES NOT sign it.

And why so much emphasis on carrying on the family name? What about a heterosexual male who is unable to father children due to some sort of physical problem. Will he be tossed under the bus because he can't pass his name on to a son. How about someone who has nothing but daughters-- they won't carry on his family name. Or don't you think it is possible for a man to have nothing but daughters?

Your christian religion has screwed up a h3ll of a lot of people in the world.

Liz77::: those people who march around carrying vulgar signs condemning homosexuality are christians. Very good christians at that.

Religion is like politics-- three sides. Your side, their side and to h3ll with it. Those of the third catagory are christian enough to love the world-- I don't mean screwing everybody like some christians believe in doing.

I am speaking of the Westboro Church signs. Have you seen thoses...they are filthy? Those people are not being good Christians and need as much prayer as the rest of us.

OOOO, bible quotes, I love quoting the bible. Here is the bible's opinion on abortion:

the bible isn't 100% pro life.

Exodus 21:22-23

If an attack on a woman causes a miscarriage the attacker must pay a fine. If he causes serious damage to the mother it's "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth".... This indicates that a fetus does not have equal standing under God's law.

Leviticus 27:6

Monetary values are assigned to lives according to age and gender. Lives under one month old have no value.

Numbers 5:21-21, 27-28

A potion given to the Israelites by God is used to determine paternity. If the father is not the husband, an abortion occurs. god clearly places no value on a fetus that is not the result of union between husband and wife.

Genesis 38:24

God's law states that if a woman is pregnant and is to be executed there is to be no waiting for the fetus to be born. It is counted as part of the mother and she burned to death with it still in her womb

Well stated, Carlia.

Hatred is an abomination...bigotry, also. Try being a little kinder...you bigots wouldn't know the difference between a straight or a gay person unless they told you what they were, anyway.

God loves everyone....so stop going on about how He will do this or that because He hates homosexuals. And you better hope He is more tolerant than you are...because IF He is, you will all get a very big surprise some day.

Doesn't the bible prohibit working on Sunday? I believe we should ban professional sporting events on Sunday because it's a sin for the players to work on the Sabbath. In fact, I believe we should pass a constitutional amendment against all work on Sunday. No doctors, firefighters, or convienance store workers should be allowed to work on the holy day, because it goes against God's word. No airline pilots, taxi drivers, or nuclear power plant operators will be allowed the sin of working on Sunday either.

That makes as much sense as fighting against gay marriage. If we're going to follow the bible, we should follow it all.

@Susie~~~God did write the Holy Bible. If you were a spiritual person you would understand that God works thru people to get some things accomplished. Man could never have written something so brilliant as the Holy Bible. My belief and faith in a Greater Power than this world could ever offer is the most beautiful and peaceful experience that far exceeds anything on this planet.

A planet that is being destroyed by satan and everyone he dwells inside of. No morals, dignity, constant justification, hatred, lovers of wickedness, no family values and most of all no love or respect for God. A ruined nation. It is beyond me the anger you all show when someone does not go for perverse actions, while most of you know homosexuality is wrong. I don't have to agree with your downfall, nor do you have to agree with my uplifting of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Our merciful Father God in Heaven allows you to wake every morning and breath the breathe of life. A nation of ingrates filled with selfishness. But no stone will be left unturned.

And if you were spiritual you would know that marriage is ordained by God. Not a man who follows his roll on earth and gives the piece of paper which is a law. Gay marriage will never be recognized, and there is no victory for abominations in the eyes of the Lord. Only sadness, grief and an embarrassment before "all" that has to see such foolishness, which you think is correct. But God says in the Bible, "man" will try to make people think "evil" is good". Sad sad sad

It is noticed by most commenting, that most of the gays on here have no spiritual guidance and have the audacity to bash God or anyone that loves Him. Heterosexuals have rights as well and we have freedom of speech. Keep in mind and use a little wisdom, you can't dictate how a message board will go. No need to call people names because they won't accept immorality.

Spiritual warfare, the devil lost the fight, was beat up and thrown out of Heaven and remains angry thru his workers, while continuing to lose.

Lora Quinn

You are correct. It was Adam and Eve; Not Adam and Steve. God does not change; Man does. And continually man twists the laws to suit their own sinful agendas. Homosexuality is against nature and an abomination to God. The laws of God do not change. Only mans laws change.

! - If it were Adam and Eve the entire race would be inbred morons!

2 -God did not write the Bible MEN did and one hopes they wrote what he said??? AND

3 - if you finish the book where God saves Job from the Sodomites you will find he goes up the hill and fornicates with his daughters

Live your live as you see fit and leave the rest of us alone

I'm a Christian and I'm a little surprised how many of my fellow Christians get so upset about gay marriage but don't realize that the constitution of marriage has been made a complete joke in America, mainly by heterosexuals. If marriage was designed to be "one man and one woman" "till death due part", why are there so many divorces and married people commiting adultry!!!!!

Carlia Sanderson says, "God says if we love we will follow His commandments."

You are so right Carlia! America has become very immoral and is ignoring the commandments God gave us.

The government of the United States is just full of sinners. Why that damned Abraham Lincoln took our slaves away from us and it clearly says in the commandments that we are not to covet our neighbours slaves. So if taking our slaves away isn't coveting taken to the absolute extreme, I don't know what would be!

I say all of us good, white Christians should march on Washington and demand the right to have our slaves back. I could sure use some darkies to help plough the fields and pick my cotton.

the constitution of marriage has been made a complete joke in America, mainly by heterosexuals

Even worse is the number of churches putting their blessing on a second or third marriage.

Mark 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.

Mark 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Usually it is those very churches that bless adultery that are the loudest against homosexuality.

Carlia,

If you sincerely believe that god only ordains marriage then does that mean that people who do not believe in the Abrahamic god and atheists/agnostics cannot be married? How can the justice of the peace marry people if you have to believe in God?

How do you explain marriages occurring before Abraham was born or when cultures didn't know about Jesus?

Man could never have written something so brilliant as the Holy Bible.

Have you actually read the damn thing? If it was written today it wouldn't even reach the best sellers list. The document is, at best, an interesting piece of archaeological evidence of the beliefsof an ancient peoples (very similar to Greek myths).

The bible is absolutely FILLED with inconsistency, hyperbole, and scientific impossibilities. To treat it as truth or law is incredibly foolish.

the "bible" is the number 1 selling book in the world today. update your information Brownie lover....

Edgar, I know it is. You obviously missed the point. It only is because of all you brainwashed cultists believe in it.

My very point was, if it were written today, without all the hokus-pokus attached to it, people wouldn't give it a second glance. It is a literary train-wreck, filled with hate, inconsistency and sentences that aren't even properly formulated. To claim its "divine" is idiotic.

Carlia,

Well good thing, all of us American citizens, are protected from you and your concept of God. My God's laws state that anyone named Carlia is dumb as a box of rocks and thusly, should be placed into a sealed burlap sack, with a rabid racoon. Aren't you glad, as an American citizen, that you're free from my religion?

@Sarah~~~Your religion is "PERVERSE" and filled with violent hatred. Are you standing up for gay rights or something because you're gay. You're giving gay people a bad name. I'm standing up for Jesus and commenting. What separates me from you is: I'm loving and will not call you names (as you call me), I'm not filled with hatred (as your words are), I'm not immoral (as you are due to homosexuality). Now you need to read my comments again then read yours. After that read the Holy Bible for wisdom and perhaps salvation.

I'm blessed!!! God loves you, so do I, but as for God. Immoral sexual activity isn't acceptable, punishable by death. It's ignorant to get angry because someone doesn't agree with you.

Liz77::: I know about the Westboro Baptist Church. They picketed a funeral at the veterans cemetery in the town nearby-- the veterans cemetery where I used to volunteer.

I can tell you this. Their chanting didn't make as much noise as 100 motorcycles running wide open-- and the church people were kept back a long distance from the cemetery entrance.

I don't believe they have tried that stunt again-- and they better not because there are more motorcycles that would keep them away!

Carlia,

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My religion is non-exhistant. I'm making an example. Your religion isn't violent??? You follow the Bible???? So all that crap about stoning, and wars, and lobbing babies heads off, and slavery? That isn't violence???

By the way, Jesus is up there right now shaking his dog gone head at you. By the way, quote me something that Jesus said about homosexuality? YOU MAKE JESUS CRY, and you would be the last person to follow him had you lived back then. Not because he wouldn't of taken you, but because you would have had to be accepting and non-judgmental, which you are clearlyu incapable of. And do you eat shrimp, because their as much of an abomination as homosexuals according to your Bible.

Oh, and a quick vernacular lesson. "Morals" are individual. Therefore your morals, have nothing to do with me. When you say something is "immoral" that means in regards to your personal beliefs you don't like it. It doesn't make ME immoral. That can only happen if I do something that's against MY morals. That's why I see you, and the ignorant, presumptuous, ridiculous, assinine crap that dribbles off your fingertips and onto the key board as immoral.

I highly doubt you're capable of understanding the nuances there, but alas, I try.

I can only wait for the day you pass on and are standing in front of whatever God may be. I'm pretty sure the first thing he/she will do is smack you upside the head and yell, "Snap out of it!"

Carlia Sanderson

At least your evil "God" was an abortionist:

"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." - Psalms 137:9

An after birth abortionist, anyway!

joe wobblie

Carlia Sanderson

At least your evil "God" was an abortionist:

"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." - Psalms 137:9

An after birth abortionist, anyway!

#7.62 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:33 PM EDT

Joe, did you actually read Psalm 137 to see what it was about, or did you just pull that quote from an anti-Christian website that told you God is evil and an abortionist?

Fact: Psalm 137 is only 9 verses long, and verse 9 (which you quoted) is referring to the author's hope that the Babylonians someday get the same kind of treatment the Babylonians handed out to the Israelites when they took them captive (i.e. made them slaves). It does NOT say that God wants people to kill babies after birth.

FYI - Aside from the revenge (eye for an eye) factor, the killing of infants was a common part of warfare at the time--keeps the next generation from being a problem and you aren't burdened by raising a child whose parents you've killed or turned into slaves. Ever studied Roman warfare? Greek? Persian? Or just choose to overlook that little nugget?

A little reading and some knowledge of history might be helpful for you when you're going off on Christianity (or Judaism) the next time. Here are some other Bible quotes for you to ponder:

The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. --Psalm 14:1

He that walketh in his uprightness feareth the Lord: but he that is perverse in his ways despiseth him. --Proverbs 14:2

Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people. -- Proverbs 14:34

Jim5769: — Wow! what a bunch of babble!

"God is dead! — But false Prophets and pervert Clerics yet feed of His Corpse!" — joe wobblie

joe wobblie

Jim5769: — Wow! what a bunch of babble!

"God is dead! — But false Prophets and pervert Clerics yet feed of His Corpse!" — joe wobblie

#7.64 - Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:21 PM EDT

I presented a logical and fact-based rebuttal to your statement. You don't like it and apparently have nothing to rebut it with, so you resort to calling it babble and hurling further insults at God. All you accomplished is making yourself look bad. If you have some logical and fact-based statements to reply with, please post those instead of child-like retorts and inflammatory anti-Christian statements. See Psalm 14:1 again...

Jim,

A post of Bible quotes is not fact based. Facts are things you can prove. By the way, proof is not any of the following...

1. Being printed in the Bible.

2. Being the word of God.

3. Being your morals.

You can't even prove that what is written in today's Bible is what was the intention of the authors.

FYI, I have yet to see any of you Bible people quote anything that Jesus supposedly said about homosexuality. Christians pick and choose specific lines from the Bible to justify their hate and fear. The difference is, Joe and us non-Bible people, don't quote the Bible as our basis for our thoughts. We quote it to show how assinine, hypocritical, and inconsistant the religious right sounds.

They are the ones making the assertions of guilt (i.e. gays are abominations and God hates them). They are the ones using the Bible as evidence. They are the ones persecuting a class of people based on said evidence. Ergo, they are the ones with the burden of proof and who had better know their Bible. Not us.

Sarah-3043284:

Bravo, Sarah! — Couldn't have said it much better, myself!

Jim5769: — Better go practice your Sing-Songs a whole lot better!

They don't seem to work so well on us Godless Heathens, do they???

PS: I've written Psalm 14:1 on a piece of toilet paper so I don't forget it!

Sarah-3043284

A post of Bible quotes is not fact based.

#7.66 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:16 PM EDT

Sarah - If you had actually read the post in question, the "fact based rebuttal" portion was in paragraphs 2 and 3 of that post--where I tore apart Joe's assertion that God is an abortionist based on the Bible verse that Joe cited...the Bible quotes that I placed at the end of the post were a completely separate issue....

joe wobblie

Jim5769: — Better go practice your Sing-Songs a whole lot better!

They don't seem to work so well on us Godless Heathens, do they???

PS: I've written Psalm 14:1 on a piece of toilet paper so I don't forget it!

#7.67 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:10 PM EDT

Joe - Are you even capable of providing a logical response? Incoherent retorts and anti-Christian comments do not a counter-argument make.

Sarah-3043284

FYI, I have yet to see any of you Bible people quote anything that Jesus supposedly said about homosexuality.

#7.66 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:16 PM EDT

I've addressed this point already in other posts...I'm not going to repeat the answers every time an anti-Christian brings this question up. Go read the rest of the posts.

Sarah-3043284

The difference is, Joe and us non-Bible people, don't quote the Bible as our basis for our thoughts. We quote it to show how assinine, hypocritical, and inconsistant the religious right sounds.

They are the ones making the assertions of guilt (i.e. gays are abominations and God hates them). They are the ones using the Bible as evidence. They are the ones persecuting a class of people based on said evidence. Ergo, they are the ones with the burden of proof and who had better know their Bible. Not us.

#7.66 - Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:16 PM EDT

Actually, if you read Joe's post again, you'll see that he was attacking Christianity by quoting a verse from the Bible out of context and attributing a false meaning to it. My response was provided to correct Joe. If Joe is going to attempt to use the Bible to attack Christianity, then he is the one that had better know his Bible. If you are going to jump into the middle of an argument, you could at least do us all a favor and demonstrate that you have actually read and comprehend the prior posts...

All the Happy Couples? HAAAAAA! You must be talking about the rest of the country... because we've ALL been catchin' it in the short hairs for years. Now we're about to catch it again. Thanks George W.

Cheers to all the happy couples!

They aren't happy anymore, now they're married... lol

The best way to ruin a good relationship is to get married. The next fight they have, it will be off to the divorce court. Sometimes I think lawyers invented marriage.

oohhh..sounds like being out of work is the least of your problems.

You are creepy!

that's your only insult?

how about lighten up a bit sharpie....does it really bother you to see people feeling happy? It takes too much wasted energy to hate them for being gay. You would have to hate them the rest of your life and guess what??.....they ain't going away anytime soon. You could so much more with that wasted energy.

I second Sharpie's creepy feeling about JKSmiles' post. It's like JKSmiles is implying that all Americans should become gay and get married. I know that's not what's being said, but that's the implication. The wording is just creepy.

And wolfpack, I think you wasted too much energy on that little rant. You're implying that because Sharpie thinks it's creepy that it is synonymous with hate. There are many things that I find creepy about foreign cultures, but it doesn't mean that I hate them. Seriously... you need to lighten up A LOT!

I just HATE the idea that so many americans have fought and died for this country. They stood for the goodness within the american people, the honor, values, decency and pride in being an american.

Uh...you do realize that some of those Americans who have fought and died for this country were gay, right? Oh...and America is capitalized. Any patriotic American knows that.

If we follow we'll all be doomed to hell and furthermore no humans would be left.

Carlia, I am not a doctor, nor am I professionally or legally qualified to make assertions regarding the state of your mental health. However, based on others I have known to have severe chemical imbalances, or in extreme psychological difficulty, I have to say that your comments and behaviors here strike me as alarmingly similar.

Are you telling me that we'd be much better off taking disobedient children out into the town square and stoning them? Is this the society you really want to live in? Because either it's all true or none of it is true.

And could you please tell me where in the hell ..........hell is?

I can find Baltimore on mapquest - I can find Nashville and Seattle..... but other than Hell, Michigan, which I don't believe is the hell to which you are referring.. it's just not coming up.

Miller

You're a bit dramatic don't you think?

Where is hell? It's in your head. Just like gay marriage.

@Mr. Miller~~Ask God where hell is. I don't think you want the directions yet.

Find "AIR" for me, which you breath everyday, yet you possibly know it's there. Your comment makes no sense, so I find no need to elaborate on much of it. But if you don't believe in Heaven or hell, why respond to my comment. We will all suffer for our actions and sins against God. Whether you believe it or not is your business, and the fact that I do is my right. But I do know you'll find out where it is, if you don't change, and I'll never know, praises be to God.

I'll say it again, if the rest of the country follows in homosexual footsteps, that will be the end of mankind. That's common sense, 2 men or 2 women can't reproduce.

Thank you for the compliment of being called "creepy" for speaking my mind. :-)

As for the person that said I'm implying that all should be gay/lesbian, that is not the case at all. I'm implying that every US citizen should have equal rights, and rights should not be based on race, religion, or sexual preference. Love has to do with how you feel when you are a person, not what body parts that person has. It has to do with what is in a person's heart, not if they button their jeans from the left or right.

Again, I congratulate the happy couples that have been given this opportunity and hope to see it become the norm across America. =)

@Carlia, not everyone in the country is gay/lesbian, which is obvious by many of the comments made. No one is saying that everyone should be gay/lesbian. All that's being said is that it's time for equality for all US citizens.

Yes, degenerate All of the united states. what a sick country we will have. so, these couples will make our next generation, can they have babies? did God give them that biological gift.?? can they raise a family and teach their young kids about sexual morality? or will they teach them to be promiscuous like their parents. no wonder you dont want to believe in a God. you want no rules right? want to have sex with your same sex partner right??

Elim...I totally agree. Now, what can be done about all of these heterosexual couples having sex and giving birth to gay babies? Do you think we could get God to ban heterosexual sex so that we will no longer have to worry about homosexuals being born on our planet? I mean, that would be the reasonable way to solve the problem, right?

No they can't "have" kids. But they can and do offer a loving, caring, stable home to children who would otherwise live their lives unwanted and unloved. Where would these children grow up? Would they grow up? Please, no tacky-assed, baseless comments about children living in a gay home.

Mr. Chase...Where would these children grow up? Why, they'd grow up in the homes of uncaring, neglectful heterosexual couples who didn't want them or love them. In the eyes of many so-called Christians, this would be a far better situation for them than a loving home with gay parents.

@carianne~~~ Carianne, Carianne, NO CHILD IS BORN GAY. They don't come out trying to have sex with the same gender. Because being gay means you indulge in sexual activity with the same gender. It is learned sexual activity, which is an action and a choice. Because if you're not having sex, you're celibate not gay. And why would he ban heterosexual sex when that's one of the things he allows us to do, enjoy and also have children. Man created perverse sins.

The reasonable way is to stop all the perverse activity, and stop sinning against God.

And if gay people adopt children, they will teach them everything against God, which He says will send them to hell. That is damaging to their eternal soul. Therefore gays should not be allowed to adopt, many of them are confused, see therapists for years and hate everyone that will not agree with being gay. That child will grow up doomed, confused and taught to hate God, Christians and everyone that stands for what's morally right. While trying to justify. God says the devil will come up with all sorts of twisted words to get people to follow him. Let's use some common sense here.

When I'm wrong I admit it. When I've sinned I've admitted it. I don't justify.

Carlia...fortunately, I don't believe in god...or heaven...or hell. So, you can't scare me into being bigot. Sorry.

OMG....Carlia, you're so crazy....you turn me on.

how about lighten up a bit sharpie....does it really bother you to see people feeling happy? It takes too much wasted energy to hate them for being gay. You would have to hate them the rest of your life and guess what??.....they ain't going away anytime soon. You could so much more with that wasted energy.

A person hates the sin, not the person.

Well with your logic, pedophiles are not going away anytime
soon so what the heck, why not just accept them eh? Drunk drivers are not going away soon BUT we
put limits on all these people and tell them certain things are wrong and if
you do it, it's wrong and you go to jail.

hmmm but wait... think about it before you respond. If there is no God as many homosexuals like to imply then who are YOU or anyone else to tell anyone how to live their lives and what is right from wrong, what is morally acceptable and what is not. ?

You see, God gave a moral compass and his laws to be written inside the hearts of all mankind. We KNOW deep down what is right and wrong because God put that in us. We do however have free will to obey God and do that which is Holy, or deny God and live in sin doing wickedness.

My point is that for myself as a Born Again Christian who lives for Jesus Christ and other Born Again Christians, we will continue to call sin for what it is and not sugar coat anything. If we didn't truly love people then we would just say, yeah who cares, just sin and you will be fine. I love people enough to tell them the truth because I care more for where their souls end up and serving Jesus Christ then I do about being liked by people who don't like hearing the truth.

@Carlia---I totally agree. It is an activity by choice, just like smoking, like drinking alcohol, etc. It does not define what a "person is" it is "what they do". Homosexuals, knowing it is wrong, can choose to be celibate. I choose not to smoke, I choose not to do drugs, I choose not to drink alcohol, I choose not to be premiscuous. One can love a person of the same sex but not have sexual relations (a choice that can be made). The order of humanity is falling--male dogs do not mate with male dogs, female dogs do not mate with female dogs--come on now humans are much smarter than dogs.

Carlia...fortunately, I don't believe in god...or heaven...or hell. So, you can't scare me into being bigot. Sorry.

Because you happen to lack belief in something, it does not take away truth. I can shut of my stove after it was just on very hot. You can choose to believe that if you touch it you won't get burned because you don't see a red coil with your eyes in front of you so you assume something to be false. You would however get burned very bad if you ignored that warning and touched the stove.

Point being... don't ignore something that you believe not to be true without seeking and coming to the knowledge of truth first. Seek God and you shall find him, open your heart to Jesus, repent of sin and he will begin to work in your life and show you many things.

Okay Serina...I dare you to choose to be celibate. Oh...and what's with the "homosexuals, knowing it is wrong, can choose to be celibate" crap? They don't "know it is wrong". It is a relationship with someone they are attracted to. Isn't that how it works with heterosexuals too, or would you not know?

@Carianne~~~Unfortunately, it's obvious you don't believe in God. How is it, you can try everything else that has done you no positive good in life, only momentary gratification, but you won't try God.

Why would you think I was trying to scare you, out of all the things you could have come up with. That's because there is some fear when you hear God or Jesus' name, or the mention of anything spiritual. That was never my point. The Holy Bible tells us exactly who fears their names.

How incredibly naive of you to presume being gay is nothing more than having sex. How....shallow and uninformed. Is that what you actually believe? It's an entire life, a fabric of this humanity. It joy, sadness, accomplishment, loss, just everything. Just, well, just like you. I've been gay for much longer than you've been alive, I'd bet. And I assure you, we do have lives. Rethink your perspective, please.

Uh...Carlia...because I don't need to live my life believing in a sky fairy who will send me to burn for eternity if I don't do what he wants. If that's your idea of a kick in the pants, more power to you.

Oh...and I didn't think you were trying to scare ME. You all just like to throw around the threat of hell to people who don't agree with you. I'm just saying, since I don't believe in hell, you won't be able to use that to try to bring me around to your hateful religion.

tell that to that idiot in Norway. He accepted god and he went on a fuking rampage and slaughtered 96 innocent victims.

@theycallmemrchase~~~Definition of gay/homosexual: A person who has active sexual relations with the same gender.

Turn to celibacy and you're just a person, of the human race like the rest of us. A person with a belief in God, love, fear, compassion, anger and all the rest of the God given emotions. Men putting one pant leg on at a time, comb hair, on on and on. We're all people and you say you've been gay a long time, but you don't even realize there's more to you as a person. Not your sexual orientation.

@carianne~~~Are you trying to bring me around to be gay?

I could accuse and assume that of you, but I'm not paranoid. That's because my mind doesn't assume untruths. I will use wisdom and ask. I don't care if you have faith in your shoes or socks. I'm not trying to get you to do anything. And out of all the things you could have thought of, why would you think I'm trying to get you saved, just because everyone else has tried and failed.

Now, don't get angry, get Jesus.

I'm so sick and tired of hearing all these holier-than-thou supposedly christian hatemongers spouting a man-made religion. God didn't make christianity-- neither did jesus. MAN made christianity. Jesus wasn't a christian-- and god didn't write the bible either.

No, I will not say what I was going to-- after all, it is Sunday and I wouldn't want to say anything about homophobes and people who say they are christians yet they condem fellow humans for being what god made them.

I am so glad that homosexual couples in New York have been given the right to marry-- a right that has been denied them for so many years. Now if other states would get their heads out of their asses and quit denying homosexuals the same right that heterosexuals have had-- but they are playing at being god and showing off their religion.

If you don't want to marry a homosexual then just don't, but let them marry the person they love.

You say it isn't what the bible teaches? Oh, then the good christians should just LOVE the kind of life Charlie Sheen has been living-- his little boys in a house with two prostitutes and a drunk druggie. Fine christian life, isn't it!

sharpie::: Get over the idea that only heterosexuals fought AND DIED for this country. If that is your idea of war, you sure don't know much of anything do you. How many wars do you know about?

Homosexuals fought AND DIED for this country and earned just as much as the heterosexuals.

Next time you get ill and have to have EMS haul you to the hospital are you going to ask any of them if they are homosexual? They might be, you know, and living with a person of the same sex. I can hear it now--- "Don't touch me doctor, your homosexuality might contaminate me". Chances are if he did touch you it wouldn't contaminate you. Oh, maybe if you breathe the same air it might?

Bet you wouldn't complain if a blacvk or asian touched you. So maybe they are different than you are and they were born like that. Well, homosexuals are born that way and there is nothing you nor I-- nor your god-- can do about it.

there are many things in this world that defy sex and sexuality some monkeys will have sex with anything that moves. I just learned that Marijuana Female plants that do not get fertilized will develop male branches flower and produce pollen and fertilize themselves WOW Homosexual Marijuana go figure,,

and another thing there are those that believe that there is no heaven or hell. but that when you die that's it. You die the end no spirit nothing adios, its like a deep sleep but you never wake up no where nothing "Chew on that awhile".

I'm too seasoned in the word of God to fall for those words, which gays have been using for years to try to get their way.

I am pretty sure you meant to say brainwashed instead of seasoned. It really make the sentence stand out.

One of the couples who got married today, two women in their 80's. My VERY BEST WISHES to them. May they have a years of wedded bliss-- with the same kind of love that others can have.

I am all for gay marriage, and commend those states who have now allowed it. But do not loose in this joyful moment all reason and sanity - Equality for All is a very frightening prospect. "All" would include many for whom there should never be any equality; pedophiles, pluralists, animal preferences.

Deviancy in this respect should not be discounted as non existent simply because homosexuality was once listed among it. Deviancy is a terrible thing in its many forms and should never ever be permitted - the key differences here are that we are sure that people who are homosexual lead normal lives and are not co-opting or coercing others into the union, by definition of their sexual proclivity. It has been a long road to wrest homosexuality away from this category, and properly so, but it does not make the category any less loathsome.

FlyOverMe really? So you are afraid that the Gay couple down the street will turn more people Gay on your street? Been watching some videos have you?

Pray tell, Professor Carlia, where is your peer-reviewed medical evidence suggesting that sexual orientation is a choice? I invite you to present.

That's right; I didn't think so.

Flyoverme: that's quite a piece of tortured logic you have going there. Legalized marriage means legalized marriage. Quite simple really.

Carlia: Darlin' you are doing your fellow Christians no service by this rant. You simply further isolate yourself and your holier than thou finger waggers as a version of the American Taliban. In this country, we don't legislate bibles.

Why, Toasty... How silly of you....

It's in the BIBLE!

Look it up. It's in there somewhere.

Adam and Eve, not Adam and steve

Christian soldiers.... ribs

Sin.... pedophiles.... beastiality.

I'm dripping.

Uh, dude? The bible is a collection of bronze age desert caveman fairy tales. This is the real world we're talking about.

I love these discussions. To all those who like gay people and think God should just take a giant chill pill, thank you for your comments. To all you lovely religious people, I also thank you, but suggest that in the interest of human progress, you should all take vows of celibacy and silence.

You're a bit dramatic don't you think?

Here's the deal - I can't just come out and say to her: "You're clearly insane", so I have to choose my words very carefully. Believe me, the short version would have been Much more to my liking. But I'm glad you liked it .....Thanks! ;)

@Mr. Miller~~Ask God where hell is. I don't think you want the directions yet.

Carlia ...

I HAVE tried that - for many years. But oddly enough, He just doesn't seem to be returning my calls.

And even if the Grand Old Story of a big Lightning Bolt in the sky were true - there is absolutely NOTHING about your sanctimonious, spiritually blackmailing, judgement-passing, pathetic attempts at rational dialogue that would EVER compel me to sign on.

If you are the perfect example of the glorious life which stems from knowing the Creator, I'd rather just stay on the outside, thank you - I don't want ANY part of a God who would condone Your particular brand of enlightenment. Ughh....what a way to live!

(Imagine - Two consenting, loving, committed adults saying to one another.. "I love you, I'm here for you, I will always be in your corner and support you, build a life with you, face the storms of life with you, share the joys of life with you - Your happiness will be my happiness, your sorrow will be my sorrow, your despair will be my despair, and when this life is over I'd like for you to be the one holding my hand as I leave the planet."

THAT ...is IMMORAL? Wow - the things you learn on the Internet! LOL)

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@Susie and all that disagree~~~Your views are yours and mine are mine. But in all wisdom, please don't talk against God and you've never had that ultimate divine experience or opportunity to get to know Him. Or speaking against the Holy Bible and you've never read it front to back. Stop dogging Christians because they follow Christ. Everyone knows someone gay and love them, but do not accept those activities, they're heart wrenching. You all are so touchy and cry out for help because, unfortunately, all this most likely started from abuse from someone you trusted. No baby is born gay, wanting to have sexual relations with the same gender.

I'm going to tell you what heterosexuals don't like. I will always know right from wrong and 2 men "entering"each other is defiling and unclean, everyone knows that. And 2 women laying together is unclean. If all of that makes sense in your eyes, then ask God to open your eyes, from darkness. The thought of a son doing that to himself with another man is frightening. Most of us have better dreams for our children, not a life of focusing on, who likes what I do or who doesn't. God says He is love, therefore if you don't have God inside, you're not able to love. All your caring is misdirected, filled with a life of misery.

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"Why, Toasty... How silly of you....

It's in the BIBLE!

I'm dripping."

Why Insert - i do believe that dripping may be Gonorrhea

Carlia Sanderson says, "Find "AIR" for me, which you breath everyday,..."

Uh Carlia, just blow some of that air that you think is so intangible against your hand and you will feel it. Ever hear about wind? Tornadoes? Hurricanes? That's air sweetie. Easy to find because it's wrapped around the whole planet about 100 miles deep. Air is certainly a LOT easier to find than your invisible "God".

Carlia also says, "We will all suffer for our actions and sins against God. Whether you believe it or not is your business,..."

No, I don't suffer anything in any way from anything connected with your nonexistent "God" because it doesn't exist. But yes you are correct it is our business what we believe. So how about if you go off and believe in your "God" and leave us to our own beliefs as we leave you to your own beliefs?

Carlia also says, "I'll say it again, if the rest of the country follows in homosexual footsteps, that will be the end of mankind. That's common sense, 2 men or 2 women can't reproduce."

I've had a vasectomy myself, so I can't reproduce. Do you want to deny me the right to marry? Too late sugar because I've already married. I think insane religious fanatics like you should not be allowed to marry or reproduce. Is it okay if I demand you be deprived of equal rights because of your religious beliefs (as insane as they are)? Since we have 6.5 BILLION people on our overpopulated Earth and at least 85% of those people are heterosexual and breeding to beat the band; I don't think we will be short of human beings any time soon.

I think it's about time that you and the other religious fanatics woke up and realised that your day is done. Gay people are getting the same rights as the rest of us, slowly but surely

People like you will join the dust heap of history along with those who thought slavery was the "will of God" or women being denied equal rights because it was the "will of God".

You and your bigoted kind are losing day by day.

Get used to it because it's not going to stop.

Let me break this down to you slowly, y-o-u/ c-a-n-t/ s-e-e/ G-o-d/ o-r/ a-i-r, but you know they're there.

Now you call me a religious fanatic on this open message board, then what do you call yourself, because you're commenting as well as I am. Since we're labeling people. No one says people can't have rights. I said a gay marriage isn't ordained in the eyes of God. And I'll say it again. The best it can do is get you all some medical and dental insurance when your president approves that in NY. And as long as I follow God and stand for what's right, I ALWAYS WIN!!!

Oh it's going to stop. The devil isn't running anything. Jesus will be here to get His children and you all will be left behind to sin, for a season and then thrown in a pit of fire. You can take God or leave Him, your choice. You can hate me, but I'm on here because I love. Most of you all are lost and don't realize what you're doing to yourself or how much you're grieving the Holy Spirit of God. I'll never get used to sexual perversions, you don't get it.

"You all are so touchy and cry out for help because, unfortunately, all this most likely started from abuse from someone you trusted. No baby is born gay, wanting to have sexual relations with the same gender."

Absolutely false. There is no scientific evidence of your claim. And how many babies do you know who are born wanting to have sexual relations with the other sex?

"You can hate me, but I'm on here because I love."

Right. All those posts above where you talk about gay sex as disgusting and immoral, say gay parents should not be able to adopt children because they will teach them things that will send them to hell. That's love, in your book? Wow.

@Dale-2938433 and AP-1414066 : Perhaps you both share the same reading comprehension problem? My statement was pro gay marriage and stated that deviancy here was misapplied to gay unions.

The point is that the original thread calls for "equality for All" - and that "all" is not a supportable or reasonable call here. I do support singular marriage for hetero or homo sexual people, but NOT for other "different" forms beyond that, who also feel themselves to be part of the "all".

Stop dogging Christians because they follow Christ.

Again, Carlia - what on Earth are you talking about? No one here is dogging Christians because they follow Christ.

They are dogging ANY judgemental, sanctimonious, dogma-totin, delusional enemy of reason who keeps insisting that their way is the ONLY way.

Two people having sex is Unclean? Well I should certainly hope so... Believe me when I tell you that "Nasty" is MUCH better ;) You really oughta try it some time before you go knockin' it. And if God didn't want people to experience pleasure then why did he create mankind with such great capacity for it?

And just to be clear....no one here hates you - they pity you. Imagine,,, having studied all that religion business all these years.. but never having studied joy :(

Shame.

Let me break this down to you slowly, y-o-u/ c-a-n-t/ s-e-e/ G-o-d/ o-r/ a-i-r, but you know they're there.

I can't see air (well, unless there is a temperature gradient and the light is refracted, but who gives a hoot about accuracy, we are discussing the bible after all). But I can feel air, chemically react it, weigh it, determine its volume and boundaries, etc. I can't do any of those things with god.

Lastly, a little question for the religious crazies out there: Is god 1) omnipotent, 2) omniscient and 3) all-just?

Carlia says, "Let me break this down to you slowly, y-o-u/ c-a-n-t/ s-e-e/ G-o-d/ o-r/ a-i-r, but you know they're there."

Let me explain to you once more Carlia since you are obviously not too quick on the uptake: Just blow some of that air that you think is so intangible against your hand and you will feel it. Ever hear about wind? Tornadoes? Hurricanes? That's air sweetie. Easy to find because it's wrapped around the whole planet about 100 miles deep. Air may be transparent to visible light but it can be perceived with other senses like touch. Your "God" cannot be perceived in any way unless you think the voices you hear in your head are "God".

Carlia says, "Now you call me a religious fanatic on this open message board, then what do you call yourself, because you're commenting as well as I am."

No I comment much better than you because I make sense. You only have your insane religion to support your conclusions. I have actual facts and reason on my side. You only have the delusory, 4,000 year old writings of a small tribe of nomadic Arabs to base your ideas upon.

Carlia says, "I ALWAYS WIN!!! (..) ..,you don't get it."

No you and your bigoted, fanatical "religious" brothers and sisters lost in the State of New York and you are gradually losing across the planet as more and more countries and jurisdictions give gay people the same rights a the rest of us.

You don't get it Carlia because you are insane. You rant and rave your "religious" nonsense and can't accept that others don't accept it and have every right not to accept it. Believe any stupidity you wish but have the courtesy to keep your bizarre "religious" beliefs to yourself and wake up and realise that you are losing.

Poster marked as "Ignore This Author" because there is no point in listening to the ravings of a lunatic.

Carlia::: You said something about that homosexuals should not adopt children? I don't see that some heterosexuals do any better than your idea of homosexuals' children.

Heterosexuals see therapists for years-- tho I'm afraid it is TOO LATE in your case. You should have started seeing a shrink when you were a year old and kept on seeing the shrink.

@Susie~~~No, homosexual couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt children, the children will be confused through childhood. Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman and children should be taught the truth, not immorality which causes confusion and pain.

I've never had to see a shrink (only seeking God), grew up with a wonderful father and mother, by God's grace never abused by anyone, attended a loving huge beautiful church from childhood, went to an awesome college, have an excellent husband, and children attending college. My parents never believed in immorality therefore I've held on to those values, which I'm proud of. You all can be as cruel as you'd like, but that won't change me or my spiritual views. I've seen the sadness sin can cause, and I personally don't care for it. I'm proud to be a Christian and love the Lord!!!

I'm now a Minister.

"No, homosexual couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt children, the children will be confused through childhood. Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman and children should be taught the truth, not immorality which causes confusion and pain."

Not according to the scientific evidence. Children of gay parents are at least as well adjusted as those of heterosexual parents. See here for a comprehensive review of the literature: http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/parenting.aspx

No, homosexual couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt children, the children will be confused through childhood. Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman and children should be taught the truth, not immorality which causes confusion and pain.

Wow, someone needs to tell my best friends. They adopted a little boy, the son of one of their cousins, a heterosexual female who dropped 5 kids before she was 22 and abandoned all of them to different family members. But not before 3 of them were molested by her heterosexual boyfriends. Yeah he was confused for a long time, but not by his adopted Moms.

@Carlia Sanderson

Thanks for the laughs, you've made my day.

You really should think about putting out a comedy CD. I think it would do well.

Carlia dear, what have you been smoking?

Regarding children adopted by gay parents. You mentioned they will teach them everything to be against your god.

If the parents are non-believers, why would they even bother to mention to their children a deity they don't even think exists?

Well with your logic, pedophiles are not going away anytime

This is Patently False - your supposition is a great disconnect from reality - There is a MAJOR distinction between freaks who prey on innocent children and CONSENTING ADULTS who enter committed, supportive loving relationships.

Drunk Drivers? How on Earth can you compare two Consenting Adults reaching a mutual understanding and commitment with someone who drinks to the point of losing ALL ability to control their actions? Pure desperation and folly on your part. You are comparing apples and bulldozers. Please help me understand how the two are even remotely similar.

Let's examine your other painfully uninformed quote:

A person hates the sin, not the person

Uhhh .....correct me if I'm wrong...... but there IS no sin apart from the SINNER... Without the sinner - there IS NO SIN.

God gave a moral compass and his laws to be written inside the hearts of all mankind

You sure about that? Even the bible says that "....the HEART is deceitful, and desperately wicked above all things: and who can know it?" ~Jeremiah 17:9 KJV

If there is no God as many homosexuals like to imply then who are YOU or anyone else to tell anyone how to live their lives and what is right from wrong, what is morally acceptable and what is not.

In the first place, please provide compelling evidence that 'many' homosexuals do not believe in God. I think you just assume that, because if they do not agree with YOU then they must not believe in God.

And in the second place - do you even read what you write? Did you actually ask

"....then who are YOU or anyone else to tell anyone how to live their lives and what is right from wrong..."

I think that question should be addressed to you and your judgemental ilk, as it is not the homosexual community who take issue with they way that you live YOUR life - it's more the other way around here, isn't it?

Amazing.

sharpie::: AMERICANS have fought and died for this land and our values war after war. Yes, and I would bet you that many of those AMERICANS who fought and died for this land were homosexual. You have never met one American that thought this type of behavior was exceptable (and that is NOT the proper word for this case)? I guess you haven't met any Americans who accept others as humans and not as second-class citizens.

How many wars have you lived through? Not that many I would imagine. So how do you know what they fought for. Maybe they fought so that YOU could remain with your head stuck in the ground.

This is not a religious issue, this is a moral issue.

If it isn't a religious issue, then by what standard is same-sex marraige immoral? It doesn't hurt you, or anyone else, in any tangible way if that nice gay couple across the street gets married.

What's "moral" about discrimination, Sharpie?

sharpie-3744187 gay marriage is legal in Canada, Norway, South Africa, Sweden, Iceland, Portugal, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium and Argentina. Its not performed in Israel but is recognized if preformed in a place that does it. So I would have to say the USA is slightly behind the times thanks to people that think like you.

You must have gotten lost on your way to the Fox website.

Well considering you cared enough to read and comment on it...

Just because I comment doesn't make it news.

Randy, I won't go to Fox website. They're as big of a$$holes as the crybabys on MSNBC's newsvine. Starting with you.

Yabecco, you took time and energy to read and comment on it, it must be news then. Afterall would you waste your time with something as pointless as you claim it to be?

It is a story! News or not, it is a story. A good one too. I wish all the couples able to marry a long loving life. Gay OR straight. 6 down, 44 more to go!

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• newly received or noteworthy information, especially about recent or important events:I've got some good news for you
• (the news) a broadcast or published report of news:he was back in the news again
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It's what the Oxford Dictionary calls news, too.

yabeco: I take it you are NOT an editor, a journalist, a consumer of news, or a reader period...Just a poster. The first same-sex marriages in the US' largest state don't fit the definition of "news", then apparantly, you don't know what "new" or "news" is.

She's a troll.

What's wrong with a little happy news?

this NEWS made me very happy, a long hard fight in my state has finally been won...now we will help win in every state....the Homophobes Dominos are falling faster and faster.

See Johhny Boy, basic civil rights are the most important issue to the people being discriminated against, it goes to the very core of their being. If you are not an equal citizen, then the rest is very secondary. If you had ever been truly discriminated against, or beaten bloody for being gay (And NO I did not even look at the persons who beat me--did not even see them coming until I got hit the first time; you might get that.

There is pleasure in sin for a season, but you will reap what you sow. A marriage in God's eyes it between a man and a women, it doesn't matter to God what the law says, because God's law is higher and His judgement will be based on His laws not mans. For it is appointed unto man once to die then the judgement. How long will be your life before you are judged by God. Jesus was beaten and bloody and hung on a cross and shed His blood for you so that you could be free from sin, but it's your choice. Life is short, eternity is for ever and ever. Will you destiny be eternal damnation I certainly hope not. For while you are still alive you have time to repent. All your protests and reasons why you say you are what you are, God still calls it sin and if He calls it sin, He will not change it just because you and others think it's ok. Even if the laws of this land allow you to marry, doesn't make a bit of difference to God, because You have chosen to break the laws of God. That will always be what we are judged by. How very sad that so many are deceived into believing a lie. During the time of Jesus the law was to stone a women caught in adultery. The people took a women to Jesus and told Him she had been caught and because there was sin in their own hearts and they wanted to show Jesus and they wanted to see what He would do with the law. They all had rocks in their hands ready to stone her, but Jesus knowing their evil motives, said "you without sin cast the first stone" they dropped them and left, but Jesus went on to say to the women, where are your accusors, NOW GO AND SIN NO MORE. What she did was in the eyes of God was sin, fornication is sin, stealing is sin, and same sex relations is SIN. Notice what he said to the woman "GO AND SIN NO MORE" that is the critical statement. So it really doesn't matter what the law of the land is, since it doesn't seem to matter anymore whether you commit adultry, fornication or steal or murder, our laws ignor many of these and allow people to go free who murder if they have a good lawyer. God's laws never change no matter what man thinks or wants them to be. By the lust of one's own heart they are condemned. God will be the final judge, not this world. So enjoy you life for whatever time you may have, because there will be a judgement day and you will never be justified. The only thing that will justify me on the day of judgement is that God will see that it's His Son, Jesus christ, who I have accepted as my saviour and I do not stand before Him with anything good in myself, only what Jesus did for me. He died a terrible death, overcame death and was totally sinless, so His sacarfice was for me and I accepted that.

Lil::: How do you know what god meant by marriage? Did he whisper in your ear? And he didn't write the bible. It was written many thousands of years later by MAN-- men who were not thought of at the time of christ let alone the time of god. You say that your bible said that christ said such-and such? Oh, were those men who wrote the bible around when he supposedly said that? Did they have their tape recorders with them-- or did christ have a tape recorder with him? Those men slept twice since then and they forgot an awful lot of things they never heard. I just hope that when you get to the gates your christ will not condem you for your hatred of people that god made.

That was a stupid comment. Susie, you are the supreme example of people on this vine who are CLUELESS on the things of God. Lil is telling the TRUTH. She is giving scriptural references on what the Bible has to say on the matter. Either you are going to believe on God's word or you are not. And she is absolutely correct in saying: "It doesn't matter what man's law says". Susie, God has the final say so. And HIS word is clear on the matter of homosexuality and homosexuals themselves. They are in SIN and rightfully called PERVERTS !! Look up the word PERVERSION and you will understand what it means to be one.

Elder V

What sins can you commit that are OK?

Adultery?

I am surprised the religious are so upset by this.

Many of the churches that protest the loudest, such as the Southern Baptist, will preform marriages in their church when at least one of the people is divorced.

Mark 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.

Mark 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

I think God is going to be much angrier with those that claim to be in the body of Christ and bless sin, than he is with those that are not part of the body of Christ and follow the orientation they were born with.

I am a Christian, I know the bible.

The Gospel was NEVER about pointing out the sins of others, unless they were part of the church, as Paul did at Corinth.

The idea of focusing on individual sins was never the message of Christ.

The Good News (Gospel) was deliverance from sin. Both the penalty of eternal death and the grip of sin in life.

It is the focusing on individual sins instead of the salvation from sin in general that has lead the church of today away from Christ. These churches that focus on homosexuality are very much antichrist (against Christ).

Hey elder sorry to say but susie is right there is a reason they call it faith. there is no proof that god exists and that he wrote the bible you guys are quoting the bible and its faith your going off. you can have faith in anything that dont make it right. im not against any person wanting equal rights im a black person and it was one point where society believed we were inferior and it was proven wrong obviously but back on the bible you guys need to stop quoting things and judging people for things you dont understand it doesnt matter if gay is a choice or your born that way thats what that person wanna do and its not hurting anyone else so i can care less. and some of you who talk about revelations that book wasnt even in the first bible it was later added bottom line is man had his hands on all these things you guys believe in and it is def possible that it was tainted somewhere along the line by your thought process i should just have faith and believe something that i cannot prove yet. there will be a day when all said and done and i dont think your god is gonna be upset because some of his sheep was confused the idea of the bible is that its a tool to help u live a rightous life not to be judged by others when you do something that different then there norm.

Elder what'syourname-- I understand what a pervert is, and I also know what a bible-thumper is. The trouble with the latter is that they many times become the former. But I guess her god and yours overlook that.

I had always thought that it took LOVE to make a marriage and not screwing. But I guess I have been mistaken all these years.

Take LOVE out of a marriage and all you have is two people screwing. Guess that is OK tho as long as the screwer and the screwee are christian.

I'm sorry I do not believe in your narrow-minded idea of love. It IS possible for a homosexual couple to have LOVE without the screwing. And if they are having sex, it it you can MYOB.

Oh, go to the wedding og one of those couples and don't forget to BYOB!

Really doesn't matter what anyone says or thinks, the ones that have no wisdom what so ever about the Bible and want to say it is written by men so that they and others can do as they like, thinking they have no consequences to have on them in the end is just a sad thing to happen because I would pray everyone to be saved and not to have a final death, and these people have nothing to lean on but each in times of distress. I would hate to know I did not believe and was not saved and thought I could control my life. But when it is all said and done everyone and that includes all...........every living breathing thing will acknowledge and fall to their knees and praise God, glad I will be on the saints side. I ask now for God to come into these hearts all over and convict them so that they can know the peace and joy of believing in and having God to lean on and have faith in. For those who will surely will have something negative to say about this i will still always pray for you as he tells us to. God speed be with you all.

Sheree: Now you've really proven the stereotype---Please learn to speak, type, and communicate in standard English if you are really seeking to communicate. Otherwise, this kind of ill-written, sanctimonious rant merely comes across as another mindless spew of hatred from yet another uneducated and very frightened simpleton.

Sorry skippy but this is a secular nation. Don't jam your religion down our throats. Nobody says you have to have a gay marriage, but let others do.

The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster says its ok. His Noodlyness doesn't judge others, He's very open minded like that.

i'mbored stop jamming gay rights down ours. no one says we have to aggree with it also.

How am I cramming it down yours? Am I FORCING you to get married?

Why are so many teabagger-types so obsessed with this idea of having things crammed down their throats? Oh...never mind...I get it.

I really wish more people would embrace the FSM's message of tolerance.

Cramming, forcing, jamming...this sounds like soft porn. Congrats to the newly weds. May their marriages be as exciting as all of these verbs.

Please treat your religion like your penis--don't whip it out in public and don't shove it down my throat unless I ask you to. Just play with it in the privacy of your own home like you ought to.

God creations engaging in the most insidious form of sexual behavior and now allowed to legally boast about it. Let's dance in the streets and celebrate...NOT!

The Government has given its blessing. But satan will not receive God's blessing, as they can not create life amongst themselves. Have mercy on us Lord!

Don't worry...the rapture is coming soon.

(Dear gawd...if you could take your followers home sooner, we'd sure appreciate it. Love, The Heathens)

Well, geez......I'm not a tea-party member, first of all. However, when the government says you have to accept this, even when you don't agree with it, then what in the hell do you call it? Public referendum?????

Well Skippy, the problem is the Bible is not part of our Constitution (neither is God).

Therefore it's a moot point.

IF you wish to live by those rules ... as long as you don't hurt anyone, or try to make it civil law ... go ahead.

Same sex marriage hurts no one ... and no one is forcing YOU to indulge.

The government doesn't say anything about you having to "accept this." Their just saying that the fact you don't accept it doesn't mean no one can do it. Here's a news flash--universe doesn't revolve around you.

Insidious form of sexual behavior? Have you ever seen two straight people in BDSM?? Or how about people like good ol Republican Senator David Vitter of LA...He likes to get dressed up in a diaper and have his mommy spank him. Have mercy on me, Lord....For mine eyes will be burned out of their sockets if I should see such filth and debauchery performed by straight people. Voice...LOL!! And I want to join the Church of the Spaghetti Monster...Free meatballs at services??

13BVET...you mean like we have to accept churches on every damn corner and allow hate-filled christians the freedom to practice their religion whenever they feel like it?

Let every Christian think in terms of "Thy Kingdom come thy will be done" So, no this should not be a secular nation. But rather one rule under and by the will of the almighty God. This is what that verse means. Gay marrage is going in the opposite direction. Where Sodomite are, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone

Tookmaker:

How is the nation you propose any different from a fundamentalist Islamic nation, except through a Christian perspective? Why would that be any better then what happens in those countries?

Tookmaker...uh you mentioned where the sodomites are, can you elaborate...I could use a major sodomizing tonight!
Yeeeaaahhh that's the ticket.

BTW Heterosexuals engage in Sodomy too, and fellatio, and toe sucking, and S & M, and Transvestitism....of course I am sure you only have sex with the specific purpose of conceiving children...you check the ovulation patters first? No? Well you must not engage in any foreplay? You do! Oh....

F O R N I C A T O R

Thou shalt not enter the kingdom of heaven!

Let every Christian think in terms of "Thy Kingdom come thy will be done" So, no this should not be a secular nation. But rather one rule under and by the will of the almighty God. This is what that verse means

Well, that verse isn't in the Constitution ... neither is God ... and this IS a secular nation. That's why YOU have the freedom to be a Christian.

Islam is essentially a very obligatory system, therefore burdensome, you wouldn't want to live in country like this. In contrast, go live in a solid protestant community in the south of the united states and see where you find it more pleasant to live.

The Bible always trumps any man made document. It never the will of the people it should always be the will of God, as revealed plainly in scripture, its not complicated, and no it doesn't have multi interpretations. Democracy works so long as the people on the whole are not like Nazi Germany or the emperors Japan brainwashed. And to the franklytrue, I'm single christian and only had sex once before so I try to keep myself pure. and as a result, I have zero problems in that regard. You can't hid from or avoid the Kingdom of Christ. You better make peace with God now. Its coming down on you regardless...so....hay....it His world not ours. Once your dead you can change your mind and come back.

Has anyone stopped to think how utterly pointless all of these posts are?

Tookmaker, I don't care for your imaginary friend. I am so glad he lives in your head.

Mr. Bimbo lives in my index finger.

@ I'm bored... well how does it feel? This same sex marriage deal is being crammed down my throat and I don't like it.

Islam is essentially a very obligatory system, therefore burdensome, you wouldn't want to live in country like this. In contrast, go live in a solid protestant community in the south of the united states and see where you find it more pleasant to live.

If you followed EVERY rule in the Bible (not just those you want to) you'd find Christianity to be a very obligatory system as well. But you'd rather pick and choose. That sir, is hypocrisy!

The Bible always trumps any man made document. It never the will of the people it should always be the will of God, as revealed plainly in scripture, its not complicated, and no it doesn't have multi interpretations

Your problem here is the Bible was also a man made document. It's always been the will of the people -- right down to the pope who picked WHICH of the multitudes of documents would be included (only those that favored the up-and-coming Catholic church were selected of course, the rest were "heresy".)

Hey you and the rest are going to be the burning. Not me.

Tool:: The Bible always trumps any man made document. It never the will of the people it should always be the will of God, as revealed plainly in scripture, its not complicated, and no it doesn't have multi interpretations.

That thinking has lead to the tragedy in Norway and countless other tragedies. You sir, scare the crap out of me.

Secondly, you are sexually repressed and should look into actually enjoying life, because contrary to your idiotic notion that there is more after this life, this is your one shot.

I have a gay brother. Thank you.

My Body is he cute?
Give me his number!

Ever wonder why the Sharpies of the world are so obsessed with other people's sex lives?

Melissa...I'm guessing because they don't have one of their own to focus on.

Because they don't have any of their own?

There is pleasure in sin for a season, but you will reap what you sow. A marriage in God's eyes it between a man and a women, it doesn't matter to God what the law says, because God's law is higher and His judgement will be based on His laws not mans. For it is appointed unto man once to die then the judgement. How long will be your life before you are judged by God. Jesus was beaten and bloody and hung on a cross and shed His blood for you so that you could be free from sin, but it's your choice. Life is short, eternity is for ever and ever. Will you destiny be eternal damnation I certainly hope not. For while you are still alive you have time to repent. All your protests and reasons why you say you are what you are, God still calls it sin and if He calls it sin, He will not change it just because you and others think it's ok. Even if the laws of this land allow you to marry, doesn't make a bit of difference to God, because You have chosen to break the laws of God. That will always be what we are judged by. How very sad that so many are deceived into believing a lie. During the time of Jesus the law was to stone a women caught in adultery. The people took a women to Jesus and told Him she had been caught and because there was sin in their own hearts and they wanted to show Jesus and they wanted to see what He would do with the law. They all had rocks in their hands ready to stone her, but Jesus knowing their evil motives, said "you without sin cast the first stone" they dropped them and left, but Jesus went on to say to the women, where are your accusors, NOW GO AND SIN NO MORE. What she did was in the eyes of God was sin, fornication is sin, stealing is sin, and same sex relations is SIN. Notice what he said to the woman "GO AND SIN NO MORE" that is the critical statement. So it really doesn't matter what the law of the land is, since it doesn't seem to matter anymore whether you commit adultry, fornication or steal or murder, our laws ignor many of these and allow people to go free who murder if they have a good lawyer. God's laws never change no matter what man thinks or wants them to be. By the lust of one's own heart they are condemned. God will be the final judge, not this world. So enjoy you life for whatever time you may have, because there will be a judgement day and you will never be justified. The only thing that will justify me on the day of judgement is that God will see that it's His Son, Jesus christ, who I have accepted as my saviour and I do not stand before Him with anything good in myself, only what Jesus did for me. He died a terrible death, overcame death and was totally sinless, so His sacarfice was for me and I accepted that.

Lil::: God's law is written in that book that was written by MAN many thousands of years after the fact. Most people can't get their story to read the same two times in a row, let alone thousands of years after the fact.

I know about the weakness of man-- and that would cover a book that was written by MAN after thousands of years. The only way you can get it straight is to tape record it-- and bet there were no tape recorders or batteries in existance at that time. Why do you think cops record conversations with perps-- so that they can hear the story as it is told.

Seriously, it's a book of fairy tales from the Bronze Age written by nomadic desert cavemen.

Wow Rob, what a very Christian thing of you to say. RepublicanJeebus must be very proud of you!

Rob - Read your post again. YOU can't fathom YOUR Bible you ignorant hypocrite!

EXACTLY why I use "" when I use the word "Christian" - if you follow the path - great for you - but it also doesn't take long for the hypocrites to come out.

Judge not lest ye be judged...eh Rob?

Funny. Refers to me as Judas - betrayer of Jesus.

Without Judas - no crucifixion - no Christianity based on Jesus dying for our sins.

Judas - always referred to as a bad guy. If Jesus had lived his life and died NORMALLY - where would Christianity be? Seems they need to pick another enemy.

Rob-3639839 - Do not belittle my Religion because you fell from grace,have some decorum.

Thankfully your bizarre cult is irrelevant to our secular government. Keep your Christian Sharia law to yourself, Rob.

Rob, Rob, Rob .. such jewels of Christian sentiment falling from your fingertips! And you wonder why so many people think religion = hypocrisy!

The only judas i've heard of is Judas Priest and they fuking rule!!!!