It must have been heart wrenching to be a juror on this awful case. My heart sunk listening to the closing statements by both sides, but the defense won on the reasonable doubt. I believe in my heart of hearts that Casey caused the death of her child, but understand why she got off. Life is never fair, and our judicial system has set high standards, as they should, to prove one's guilt. So, we must live with the verdict. What really makes me ill, is Casey will make a lot of money off this fiasco, but she will always live with this crap hanging over her head. It is the only thing that helps me, is to know her life will never be normal again. She's a loser, will probably spend herself into bankruptcy soon, good!
I agree and I hope that she doesn't make any money from this whole tragic fiasco. I would NOT listen to her or read anything that was written by her. I think she probably did get away with murder but it was a hard case for the prosecution to prove.
Those issuing death threats against her are NO better than she is; murder is murder! Sickening indictment of the mindset of too many Americans!
This case makes me sick--because there are SO many other issues in this country that need to be addressed, and the media and the public are fixated on this one blip on the news radar.
It is sad that a child died, but there are tens of thousands of homeless children in this country, more go hungry for lack a food. Each year, children die from lack of heat, lack of proper medical care, and exposure to toxins in the air and the water and in the environment around them. Last Saturday, one of the news networks devoted twelve minutes on the nightly news, almost half of the show's time, to this case; with that same time dedicated to almost any other issue, they could have saved twelve living children.
The people who follow this case freak me out. I studiously avoid these types of issues because I think they are counter-productive, and I still had to listen to it being discussed on TV, on the radio, at parties--I couldn't turn the channel, punch the button, or move away fast enough to avoid you people. If you spent as much time on real issues instead of this Nancy Grace stuff (not the word I wanted to use) that crops up a couple of times a year, we could start doing some real good.
Unfortunately, if her story makes it to print or film, people will watch..it is the nature of people. Look at the rubberneckers on the roads for something as simple as someone changing a tire or my personal favorite, the 20 mile backup on "my" side of the road for an accident that occured on the "other" side of the road.
Society will always be nosey and want to know "why." If there is a snowball's chance in Hades that the "why" (and in this case the how and who as well) will come out in the book, people will buy it. Problem is, Casey has beeen so much proven to be a constant liar, who will know what to believe when it comes out of her mouth.
NO, the media is fixated, I wish they would just STFU about the little B!TCH that worked the system!
Defunct court system strikes again!
Oh and hey Jared Loughner I hope you're doing well out in Arizona, nice room, TV, AC, food and the rest of America is going down the toilet paying your way...... Too bad you didn't use one more bullet in YOUR HEAD!!!!
No sorry Michelle honey... the defense didn't "win on reasonable doubt"... rather, the Jury Lacked Reason.... The gullible masses such as yourself did the same thing in the OJ trial...
the defense would throw out any-old "Man-in-the-Moon" or "Aliens-from-Space" type theory and then say..."hey, maybe, maybe not, but its REASONABLE doubt". In other words no matter how ridiculous, whacky, far-fetched or fairy-tale the doubt was... they would just simply attach "reasonable" to the front of it, then the masses start buying whatever they are selling. Same thing here... Oh the baby drowned did she ?!!!? Who exactly found her ??? What adult took the body out of the pool and decided not to call 911 ??? Where exactly was the body 'hidden' around the house before it was decided to dump it? What adult then duct taped her face and threw her in the woods ? Oh..fuhget about it, we don't have to ask any of those questions..."hey, it may have been Space aliens and there's your 'Reasonable doubt' baby..." On and on... it is difficult to believe the stupidity sometimes
I find it most telling that so many are willing to use the unsubstantiated "stories and accusations" thrown out by the Defense as reasonable doubt. Without proof, the information should not have been considered, and should have been struck from the record by the Judge. So, in essense, the Defense used the same tactic Casey did. Lie to avoid the truth.
I wish that the prosecutors had been able to bring a more provable charge--sadly, they were pushed by the media and the public to pursue a charge that they could not prove. They did try--but they did not have the data and should not have brought the case until they had something better (like a confession to someone else--which probably would have happened if they'd waited).
However, at this juncture, what I hope will happen is that they figure out who the little girl's biological father was. He is really the only one who can sue for wrongful death--and he can sue the entire family for wrongful death.
Watch them turn on one another when they realize that their million-dollar windfalls from the books they will "write" and the films they will authorize will go straight to the father. There is plenty of evidence of wrongful death--and the father will be able to collect for that and for being lied to about paternity (apparently, he was never told).
A wrongful death suit is what got OJ. This is what really should happen in the Anthony case. Or, well, I hope that Casey gets a whole lot of money, blows through it quickly, and then winds up jailed because of things she does with the money (drugs) or what she does after she gets used to the money and has lost it all (fraud, kiting checks).
Karma will get her in the end--if she's guilty (and I'm sure she is), karma will get her.
More like 'unreasonable doubt'.... I think that people have forgotten the meaning of 'reason' or something.
I mean on here the other day someone was arguing about the hair in the trunk, "oh it could have been Casey's since the DNA was only familial"
For some reason they seemed to forget (as well as the jury apparently) that not only was it a familial match but it had something called POST-MORTEM banding on it (ie it came from a dead person)...
So I guess Casey had other dead family members with long hair in her trunk? I mean wtf...
Seriously this jury entertained any bull@!$%# excuse the defense came up with as a 'reasonable' explanation. Morons, the lot of them, a jury of our peers is made up of morons, we are a country of morons.
"In a 2010 jailhouse letter to a friend, Anthony said she would like to adopt a child from Ireland "accent and all.""
I hope that nobody would be stupid enough to let this woman anywhere near a child again. I had also heard a report saying Casey would like to HAVE another child also. Sickening.
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"The people who follow this case freak me out. I studiously avoid these types of issues because I think they are counter-productive"
You avoid these issues so much that you read another story about it then take the time to write a nice long comment about not only the case but how you despise it so much that you avoid it?
Currently living in Florida but not from here, (yes, I always HAVE to say that I'm not from here because it makes me feel better) I have had experience with a certain school district. Let's just say that when the teachers can't get the curriculum correct that they are supposed to impart, this is what can happen. 12 people worried more about money than the death of a baby. Casey is a dropout herself. Many of those here. And a lot of cheating on standardized tests to get the teacher bonuses. Ah yes, Florida, land of sun and fun. Life's a beach!
oh she'll make money off of this. the first "real" interview with her will probably net her a cool million.
it all reminds me of the movie Natural Born Killers. "we" (the people) are the ones who make these people infamous. we have to feed our need for tragedy and the blood of others.
casey anthony is pathetic in numerous ways. we all know she did something to her daughter. we all know she just got away with murder. i say that because i don't hear investigators saying: "we have to now get out there and find the REAL killer." and while she may have dropped out of school, she was brilliant in the fact that she waited 30+ days before even mentioning her daughter was missing ... and then it was another 6 months before the body was "discovered". who knows where she kept Caylee during that time. but it was certainly long enough for the body to be completely decomposed. she knew that no one would ever be able to determine a cause of death .. and she would get away with it.
can you imagine if she DOES have another child? what that child would have to grow up with? i'm certain she wouldn't give that a second thought; however, because Casey has never thought about anyone but herself.
also: if she didn't commit a crime (found not guilty) how can she be charged with lying to police? what did she lie about? if this brilliant jury [insert sarcasm] found her not guilty then doesn't that mean they believe everything she said and she didn't do it??
Agree w/BananaJama against Michelle! You can put reasonable doubt into any situation!! No matter what the story is!!! The prosecution should have charged her with all the little matters, ie, not reporting a child missing MUST be a crime!!!! We all know the more time a child is missing the less likely you WILL have evidence into, WHO, WHAT, WHEN & WHERE!!! THIS IS SO DISGUSTING!!! AMERICA-LAND OF THE FREE HOME OF THE MURDERER!!
So, this pathological liar wants to write a book? And who would believe a word she has to say? She has lied so ridiculously - the nanny took the little girl, she was working at Disney World, and who in the world could believe the child drowned in the pool and that Casey was molested by her dad and brother! More wild lies. And if they did molest her, why did she continue living at the home with them? She was an adult and could have gotten her own place.
Such a pathetic liar! Her life is such crap and I think her head is so screwed up that she doesn't even realize it.
Well, it's 9:03 Thursday and I see the slut is all dolled up and ready to go. Watch out boys, she'll chew you up, she's a maneater! Apologies to Hall and Oates.
Looks to me like it's time for Mr. Baez and family to take and extended vacation and leave his children in the loving care of Casey Anthony. He should have no problem with that, and it would give her a place to stay. A win win situation..
Society and the media say Cassey was a bad mother, murder, party drinker & dancer, etc. So they wish her ill, violent actions, and send death threats all from facts involving emotions, over amplification and vilifying by the media to make a profit while subliminal promoting violence in our society, etc. So do all these acts made by Cassey and our society make all of them "Murders" as well"? Is the behavior by the media and our society any better than Cassey? Why is it that the media and so called "Professional Experts" never brought up questions like: Why did Cassey stand so stubbornly firm on accepting none of the plead deals??? Why was the media and experts so spontaneous with giving the prosecutors (who did an extremely lousy job--except for the Grandstanding-- and couldn't wait to be the first one on National TV the very next day after the acquittal ) their daily "A's" and the Defending Attorney his daily "F's" with ever so few "C's"?? Were the media, legal, police, society quick to judge and convict long before the trial? How many convicted criminals as much as 20 plus years later have been found innocent after such over zealous grand standing tactics for show or advancing of their career by the prosecutors or police? Shouldn't they, too, be held responsibility to pay restitution as well to the tax payers? Society expects Cassey to pay restitution for the Search Party when she was not the one to make such a request for the search. Who did make the request and should they be made to do restitution as well (police and State Legals)? A lesson learned from this over publicized event is: No one is perfect, nor does it make them "murders", which includes the: frequent violent and flippant society, the overzealous and profit promoting media, Anthony family, attorneys, overzealous prosecutors & the police (who provide little to no protection for the neighborhood long before the trial), Cassey's Obstruction of Justice, the court ticket observers with nothing else to keep themselves busy, and most importantly when Cassey waited so long to report her missing daughter. Now it's time for everyone to move on down the road to become more productive citizens in our society, and leave the Anthony family members alone to deal with their dysfunctional problems possibly with the help of professional counselors.
It doesn't matter what those idiot jurors felt now. I don't feel sorry that they had to go through this crooked trial and not convict her. If she was convicted I would feel for the jury. Since they didn't convict her, it doesn't matter how they felt and how bad they had to go through the trial. The most idiotic jury that I know of. Totally found Casey Anthony of not guilty of anything.
Oh Nick - you got it. The court of public opinion is far harsher than the court of law. We have so many armchair lawyers sitting here saying SHE'S GUILTY! yet they were not there.
If they've ever served on a jury, they'd understand that the jury can only deliberate on the facts they were given. They are instructed to convict only if the evidence proves BEYOND ALL REASONABLE DOUBT that the suspect actually committed the crime. If there is any REASONABLE DOUBT - they must vote to acquit. Once cannot vote to convict a suspect on emotion alone.
Our justice system isn't perfect, but it is still a hell of a lot better than in many other countries around the world. Think about that.
Casey got away with something here. The prosecution did a horrible job which may have set a murderer free! As an attorney, I know what the juror's had to do. I also know what the prosecution should have done.
I pray this family, like "Octomom", does not make a killing in the media circus now. No movies, no book deals, no profit from Caylee's death!
Society expects Cassey to pay restitution for the Search Party when she was not the one to make such a request for the search. Who did make the request and should they be made to do restitution as well (police and State Legals)?
No, Casey did not request the search party because she had the body hidden somewhere and didn't want the body found. Casey's murdering of her daughter caused the search party. When the publlic finds out that a child has been missing for over a month, guess what happens? People start to care and want to find them and they start search parties. Casey brought that and everything else that has happened on herself. She is NOT an innocent victim in this mess - Caylee was!
I watched juror #3 last night giving her interview. And they quoted her in this article saying:
"If they want to charge and they want me to take someone's life, they have to prove it. They have to prove it, or else I'm a murderer too."
Very telling here the words "...a murderer too." The word too implies that she believes Casey is a murderer. At least that's my interpretation.
I am now watching her on TV and so far she hasn't stopped playing with her hair not to mention that she is far too upbeat and smiley. Like this newscaster said, the show's over, she has nothing to lose now. Remember, this person, Casey Anthony, is a high school dropout with no real usable employment skills, her family has rejected her (gee I wonder why), Vivid Entertainment has retracted their offer for her to make a porn movie, death threats are pouring in by the thousands, she alienated most of her friends, she lied countless times through implication about her fictitious nanny, her brother and dad molesting her...we all know the list so I won't go on.
Her licentious ego and narcissistic demeanor will most likely lead her to her ultimate and final end, whatever it may be. But for now she is content to believe she is free to regain her position in life she held prior to this trial. She is so narcissistic she has no idea what is in store for her - for the remainder of her life. I don't see a long life for her and from how she looks today at her sentencing she won't get by with them either. She's a sorry mess and deservedly so. She looks old. She will have to look over her shoulder for the rest of her life.
As for the jury - their comeuppance is on the way too. I see very bad things for their karma. Patience is the key for karma.
Rest in peace, dear Caylee, truth and justice will come in time.
If you compare the evidence with the Scott Peterson case...you have the same. No blood, no fingerprints, no DNA. Guess Scott Peterson wishes he had had Casey's lawyer.
However, the sad fact is a little girl is dead and apparently no one will pay. At least not on this earth.
It's different evidence and a different case, with somewhat different laws, and a completely different jury who knew what had to be done...in this case. Plus a WAY better motive for Scott Peterson to kill...money.
What good does it do to convict someone who MAY not have done it? I think Casey's guilty but there simply was no proof of it. Caylee is dead...it makes no difference to her if someone goes to prison or gets the death penalty. She isn't coming back, either way.
Our system failed Caylee Anthony and the rest of us. Is it because it was a Florida jury? The verdict would have been different in the northeast, I bet. As for death threats, this cannot be a surprise for this family, or the jurors for that matter, so everybody better stay out of sight for a while and keep their mouths shut. I don't believe in vigilante justice but there are plenty out there who do and they scare me to death.
And the four years can be served consecutively. So one year max. And the high possibility of early release. So she's looking at a few months in prison.
I'm not upset with this. I'm happy to see the courts not exaggerating a sentence just because she was acquitted in a murder trial. She's getting the propper sentence for what she was convicted of.
In general, I think this case has demonstrated a triumph of our justice system and the values that were established within it.
Whether she did it or not, the prosecution was unable to provide anything other than hearsay or circumstantial evidence. Neither of which is even close to enough of what it takes to convict one of 1st degree murder, manslaughter or the other felony crimes Anthony was accused of. No motive, no cause of death, nothing substantial other than "she lied about X, therefore she killed her daughter." Which is a flawed argument by itself. Yeah, I personally think she did it, but I must ask myself "how do I know this?" And I don't. None of us except Anthony know the true answer. I'd rather have any jury use the facts of a case instead of guessing the guilt or innocence of an individual. Better ten criminals walk than one innocent person be sent to prison.
"I did not say she was innocent," Ford told the network. "I just said there was not enough evidence. If you cannot prove what the crime was, you cannot determine what the punishment should be."
Let's see, "Innocent until proven guilty in a COURT OF LAW". Very simple statement I wonder why people don't get it?
so you're saying if i lie to the police about where i work, i'm going to be charged with a crime? really? wow!
You DO need to provide basic information to the police like your name, address, and place of work. How else can they do an investagation is they cannot even find you?
Sad thing is, it seems easier and easier these days to get away with murder. All you have to do is lie, that puts reasonable doubt in the case. So long as you were not nabbed holding a smoking gun with a dead body lying at your feet, you can get of scott free. Even then, you would probably still get off, because nobody actually saw you pull the trigger. Sad.
Me too Maureen, me too. If we're all patient life will take care of itself. But I'm willing to bet there are people out there planning their attack on Casey. She will live the rest of her life looking behind her. Not very appealing is it?
I agree with the person hoping the child's father comes forward with a wrongful death suit and sues for so many millions she never sees a dime. Trouble is, she lies so bad the real father probably never even knew he had a daughter.
I have not really payed attn: To this case. However today was in a waiting room and seen it on TV. The Judge said that Casey told police she talked to Caylee on the phone in July 2008. So if that was the case, Caylee was in a trash bag in the woods in July 2008. Not child abuse? Not murder??? Why in the hell would the prosecution set out to prove this statement was a lie? Strange Days Indeed.
What surprises me is that since it was told in court by Casey's attorney that Caylee drowned and panic drove her to dispose Caylee's body in the swamp. Why was there not any charges against Casey for tampering with a body. I've seen those types of charges in many other cases. I'm appalled by her acquittal of all charges except for lying...REALLY. The only good that came from this is Caylee is in a beautiful place right now and experiencing more than than she ever received here on earth. As for Casey, I doubt her life will be an easy thing for her. I wonder if she will be offered a new identity since she has had death threats? I don't hate Casey, I don't feel anything towards people who don't own up to their bad deeds. Soon she will realize that life out of prison will be the hardest thing she will ever face in life. Even though she seems to have no conscience, we are all born with one and with that said Casey at some time in the future will be haunted by the evil she committed, and it won't be brought on by herself. Why do you think OJ wrote that book "If I had done it.....', he is haunted by what he did....
Why could the jury not convict her on the lesser counts of child abuse/neglect, etc if they were so hung up on having to dole out the death penalty based on the little bit of circumstantial evidence they had? They could have sent her away on that if they, as Jessica the jury pointed out, didn't believe she was innocent. They didn't have to acquit her of all but the misdemeanors.
Scott Peterson's jury convicted him based on what evidence was available and his behavior. People who are not guilty don't behave like they are. They don't lie to police and they certainly don't wait for 31 day to report a missing child they reportedly loved sooooo much. Is that love? You give a child absolutely no chance of survival if she's gone missing (and you didn't have a hand in it) so that professionals could possibly get her back alive. If it was indeed an accident, then why the cover up? Why not tell the police what happened? Because you think they'll accuse you of murdering her?Yeah because covering it up with the eventual discovery of her body will put you in the clear....what? C'mon people, innocent people DO NOT behave this way!
I understand that we don't know what happened, none of us were there but let's think here...as a reasonably sane person do you actually buy that she had no involvement in this? Do you really?
Amanda and BananaJama, funny you should attack me. I said I thought she was guilty. I would have never made the jury because I'm sure she's guilty. I don't set the standards for reasonable doubt, I didn't pick the jury, and I'm not responsible for her getting off. Her money she makes from this fiasco, will be reduced by all the costs and fines, and the real Zanny's lawsuit, which I believe she will win. I hope the real Zanny wins all of the money she gets, for screwing up an innocent woman's life. Casey Anthony isn't going to be rolling in money when all is said and done, and she will get to spend some more time in court, and I hope she is miserable. You owe me an apology, but I'm not holding my breath.
I was also appalled by her acquittal until I saw the interview of Juror number 3. I still cannot believe that not one person on the jury understood that if they found Casey guilty of any of the lesser included offences that Casey would not get the death penalty?????!!!!
The juror stated that they the jury did not find Casey guilty enough to give her the death penalty and that the verdict would have been different had the State taken the Death Penalty out of the equation. OH MY GOD!!!
Heart wrenching to be a juror? What about Caylee? The jurors did the wrong thing. If keeping your kid dead a secret for a month while you party and then finding the dead child in a ditch somewhere isn't reasonable doubt then I don't know what is.
Just because they found the body too decomposed to find out how the child died does not mean the child was NOT murdered. The child was found with duct tape and her death was not reported for a WHOLE month. What more do you need?
Thousands of men and women are in jail on circumstantial evidence right now. What magic thing did they do to deserve jail when Casey just walks free to make money on the case and, dare I say, live to have another child? If you think that idiot of a woman has sense not to have any more children you are sadly mistaken.
Our system failed Caylee Anthony and the rest of us.
... and this is where I take issue with nearly everyone who has followed this case with such fervor.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU.
Look, I'm sorry. It's a tragedy what happened to that poor little girl. However, @!$%# like this happens every day in America. The only reason any of you care is because of the national coverage.
THE ONLY INVESTMENT YOU HAVE IN THIS, IS YOUR LOSS OF TIME WITH YOUR TRIAL OBSESSION.
Please, for the sake of driving that little murdering bitch into obscurity ... move on.
Let's see, "Innocent until proven guilty in a COURT OF LAW". Very simple statement I wonder why people don't get it?
"Innocent" and "not guilty" are not exactly the same thing. "Innocent" would mean that Casey Anthony had no involvement whatsoever in the death of her daughter - and despite the verdict, I'm sure that many people will go to their graves believing that was NOT the case. "Not guilty" only means that the prosecution did not produce a strong enough case to warrant conviction. It might be helpful if courts brought back the third option that used to be available as a verdict - "not proven". That would have been the appropriate verdict in this case - that despite what the jurors' personal feelings may have been in this case, there wasn't sufficient evidence.
And speaking of the jurors' feelings - for me, it speaks to the integrity of their decision that they DID vote to acquit Casey. I have to believe that emotionally, all or most of the jurors must have WANTED to be able to find her guilty - but they put those emotions aside and made a decision based on the evidence, which is what they're supposed to do. Am I happy with that verdict? Hell, no - I still think Casey was complicit in some way in Caylee's death. But I wasn't on the jury, and I didn't hear all of the evidence.
Why isn't the whole family being charged with desecrating a body, filing false police reports, staging the scene of a crime, failing to report a crime etc...?
Their defense was that they staged the accident to look like a murder right? Those are completely different charges for a completely different crime, a crime which they have already confessed to.
Sad thing is, it seems easier and easier these days to get away with murder. All you have to do is lie, that puts reasonable doubt in the case. So long as you were not nabbed holding a smoking gun with a dead body lying at your feet, you can get of scott free. Even then, you would probably still get off, because nobody actually saw you pull the trigger. Sad.
Thankfully, this is not always true. We had a case here in Colorado where a father reported to police that his six-year-old daughter had run away from home after an argument with him over a cookie. (You can't make this stuff up.) When it turned out that no one had seen the little girl for a considerable period of time, the police started looking into the situation. Despite the fact that the child's body was never found, her father was found guilty of child abuse resulting in death and was sentenced to 114 years in prison. Google "Aarone Thompson" if you'd like more information on this case.
Because just because Casey, a convicted liar, said that's how it happened, does't make it so. And there is no independant proof that's how it happened.
she lied to the police about working at Universal....so you want to kill her for that?
FedupwithFed, people generally get to emotional and obsessed with trials like this and everything else goes out the window. Look at how many times the cops lied in courts settings (Mark Furman) and allowed to walk and still have a career. OJ Simpson lied in his statements in the death case of Nicole Brown and Ron and walked.
As for the judge in this case. He needs to be tossed out for turning this into a media mess and three ring circus. for me, he's just another Southern Attention Ho looking for as much atten he can get in the media.
We need to remove all cameras from the courtrooms.
Why isn't the whole family being charged with desecrating a body, filing false police reports, staging the scene of a crime, failing to report a crime etc...?
When you don't have proof then there is no case. At this point everything is speculation.
The police botched the investigation and the prosecutor was incompetent.
Police: the body was discovered and reported to the police less than 2 months after the child disappeared,the police FAILED to recover the body in a timely manner. The body was ONLY 19 feet from the road and yet it was not recovered until 4 months after it was discovered and first reported.For 4 months the police knew the EXACT location of the body but never made ANY serious attempt to recover it.
prosecution: The prosecution allowed witnesses to create reasonable doubt by perjuring themselves.The prosecution was negligent by not requesting a mistrial after it was discovered that witnesses were perjuring themselves.
The sentences for the 4 misdemeanor charges is clearly just another example of how spiteful,petty and unprofessional the judge is.
all in all it was a shameful display of how NOT to conduct an investigation and trial. Judge cosby and the laughingman prosecutor should seek a refund of the money they have spent on their legal educations and law degrees, because they just got OWNED by a 25 year old, white trash, high school drop out, party girl.
PS: on a side note, maybe Florida should consider seceding from the union again,I think your chances of succeeding this time are considerably higher then they were in 1860.
I guess you all didn't read the story. Let me inform you: Casey Anthony was found not guilty of killing her daughter. NOT GUILTY!!! This means that the state did NOT prove that she killed her daughter. You may not like the verdict, but the state failed to prove its case. The state proved that Casey Anthony is a lier, but did not prove her to be a killer.
This judge, in imposing 4 seperate terms for the maximum, is just pandering to the public. She should appeal her sentence and get out early. Anyone else charged with these misdemeanors would have been given concurrent sentences and be out.
What I don't quite comprehend is the logic behind some of these juror's explanations.
They believed that Casey killed her daughter, but they don't think it was proven sufficiently.
Why would they believe she was guilty but that her guilt was not proven sufficiently? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Wouldn't believing someone is guilty result from a sufficient amount of proof? Isn't that kind of the whole point of proof?
Do we need a Hi-Def videotape to prove pretty white girls guilty in this country?
Nancy Grace is having eat some serious crow now and hear it tastes like chicken.
Although I don't agree with the verdict, this I do enjoy. I hate that woman.
Casey Anthony should take Nancy Grace to court for slander. She has repeatedly called Casey Anthony a killer (and other things.) Nancy Grace should have to prove everything she has said. IMHO, Nancy Grace has a very annoying tone and is just another talking head that should be silent.
For all of you asking about Caylee's Dad according to Cindy he wasn't involved in any way with his daughter and had recently passed away. Accident or not, no good mother is going to pack her dead child in a trash bag and chuck her out like a bag of garbage.
Are you some kind of qualified lawyer??? If you are so knowledgeable as you proclaim to feel, then how come you weren't on the investigative committee, legal team, etc.? Or were you one of those court observation ticket holders with nothing else to do? All of this limited "Court of Public Opinion" comments proves the point I made. There are hundreds of cases out there that were found guilty when in fact they were innocent. They were victims that were originally found guilty because of overzealous prosecution not doing their homework properly and prejudiced people, who felt the person was guilty even before the trial started. The convictions were based on false facts and not concrete evidence. I just wonder how you'd feel if you found yourself in some legal mess, trumped up charges, or caught lying to the authorities, etc. No amount of money or time served in jail will bring the innocent child back to life. "No", Cassey is not innocent and was found guilty on 4 accounts of lying to the authorities (So stop playing the role of a Judgment Maker. That is God's final judgment job and not ours.) Cassey will pay a fine and serve the time for her 4 convictions. We don't always like the outcome with some decisions, but now it's time for you and society to move on and stop blaming the jury and others with emotional public opinions that lost control over the outcome.
In general, I think this case has demonstrated a triumph of our justice system and the values that were established within it
The intent of the Justice System is to dispense justice. In this, they failed.
The justice system worked as designed, sure, but in this case it only points to the glaring flaws in said design.
When people as obviously guilty as Casey are set free because the system's 'design' was not sufficient to provide an avenue of proper conviction for her crime - that is a broken system.
Not to get off topic here but Nancy Grace keeps harping about how much money this 'killer' will make with book deals , movies etc......
As opposed to the prosecution's "unsubstantiated stories and accusations"? That's all you people have is a theory and 80%+ convict Casy of murder. Just simply outrageous. Nobody even knows for sure how the kid died! How can you convict ANYONE for murder when you don't even know how the kid died?
You people just have chip on your shoulder and are taking it out on Casey. Worst of all, you all know it. So many leaps of logic it makes my head hurt. I am ashamed to live in the same country as you people. We're still just barely one step ahead of burning witches...
The intent of the Justice System is to dispense justice. In this, they failed
We don`t have a justice system in america we have a legal system. our system was designed to uphold legalities not to uphold justice. if by some fluke justice is served while the legalities are preserved and upheld then that's just a pleasant by product of the legal system.
Casey may be out from jail, but she will never be free---things like this work out in "odd" ways.
Now she will have to worry about saving her own life, as well as the parents.
What she has to offer to Society is a big question.
Who in America will ever Forgive her for "Innocent Before Proven Guilty", that she did indeed have something to do with killing her own child, Caylee--
Mothers, Fathers, and others, who murder their own innocent children, small or any age are the worst of humanity.
Her road after being out, will be the road to "Hell".
There is no repenting from Casey that will heal anyone's heart.
So now we have a second miscarriage of justice. She was sentenced to four years but given credit for "time served" and "good behavior". For one, I didn't know she's been in jail for four years already, and for another she had to be on her best behavior, she was on trial for her life and her legal team coached her to be on her best behavior!
So in a week she'll be free to resume her life as a party girl, dancing the nights away, having one night stands with anonymous guys, while forgetting she was once a mom who was responsible for no less than covering up her child's death while she partied and danced in clubs, and very possibly being a child murderer of the worst kind. Maybe she'll run into someone in the clubs who'll recognize her and perform "vigilante justice" after the fact...she'd be well advised to hire a bodyguard to walk behind her to keep an eye on her back...
How can you convict ANYONE for murder when you don't even know how the kid died?
Happens all the time. People can be convicted of murder based off skeletal evidence that shows no obvious signs of trauma if a person's behaviour indicates that murder was a likely cause of death (ie hiding the body, motive, suspicious behaviour) and also if the victim was believed to be otherwise healthy, which is more evidence that the death was likely murder or negligence, possibly accidental but hiding the body is considered indicative of guilt and can be used as evidence to support a murder conviction.
Interesting, shrink after shrink interviewed, believed Casey is a sociopath; in other words her mind is warped and she is a psycho. Fortunately, the vast majority of Americans in varying polls believe Casey is guilty of murder. I don't see how anyone can believe differently. How can she not be guilty - if the individual has the reasoning powers of, at least, a four year old.
Before juries are selected, they should undergo IQ tests and sanity hearings. NOw, another psycho has been unleashed. Don't ever forget, sociopaths can be very charming; therein is the clue. In criminal cases, psychos frequently receive lesser sentences because they can be so charming and good. They have no conscience and have no problem with lying, anything to achieve their desires.
We don`t have a justice system in america we have a legal system. our system was designed to uphold legalities not to uphold justice. if by some fluke justice is served while the legalities are preserved and upheld then that's just a pleasant by product of the legal system.
That's just symantecs. There is indeed a justice system in America as much as there is a legal system.
Here's a nice little paper on it, notice the first sentence.
But to follow that line of argument, it is logical to assume that the whole purpose of creating 'legalities' and the judiciary is for the purpose of dispensing justice in the fairest and most efficient way possible, otherwise what is the point?
eapeau - Yeah, you're workin really hard to avoid people that watch this when you're reading & commenting on the story. Just sayin.
& to all you nit wits saying she's being charged with lying because she lied about just her job, wrong. Did you not hear that idiot Baez say in opening statements that she knew Caylee was dead from day one? That's why she's charged with lying. All her lies about, Zanny the Nanny, the phone call, where she worked, everything. It was all even mentioned in the article. Glad people pay attention.
And she might get money eventually, but I'm not too sure considering Vivid entertainment (XXX company) had offered her a deal, but as soon as they saw the public reaction, retracted it because they realized NO ONE wants anything to do with the little bitch. In the words of Nancy, "So people like their porn, just don't want to see tot mom in it? That would bother them." lmao I love Nancy
Miss Anthony may be guilty of murder, or she may not be guilty of murder. The fact is: You really don't know. The prosecutor failed to prove his allegations of murder. He presented no witness, no strong motive, no evidence compelling enough to get a conviction. You make allegations against someone, now prove it. The only thing the prosecutor was able to prove was that Miss Anthony is a fool and that he is an even bigger one. If he really believed that she is guilty then he should have waited until there was evidence enough to prove it. His primary motive should have been to find out who the killer really was, or if it was accidental. He should not have proceeded with what he had. Thanks to this nitwit, we may never really know.
If what you commented is true, then she will wind up back in jail. People like this, who have no conscience, trip up on themselves thinking they are above the Authorities/ Law, and have no moral rules to follow. One Mentally Ill individual.
Casey has just been thru H------------------; hopefully she will have grown up a bit, and make some kind of contribution to Society--this would be the other option.
I personally think she will disappear from sight. That is the only way she can survive. Her attorneys by report are going to protect her, find her a home, and make sure for the safety of her life---the parents as well. Legal business with Casey hasn't ended yet---more money to be made.
People are fixated on this case; rightly so, because all Americans want to see Justice for a Mother killing her own child. Did she do it, or did she not?
People and families, alike are interested in this case because most families hin America are Dysfunctional, but unlike the Anthony's lives.
It is beyond belief that all of them would lie to save Casey--Casey included.
We are talking about an innocent child who was disposed of like a piece of garbage--the trial 34 days long, 66 witnessess, over and over again appearing on the witness stand. In Legal terms, that is unheard of in a Court of Law.
The Trial, the Prosecutors where shoddy at best. It peaks the interest of all Americans, because this is not a Movie Star, nor Pro Athlete, nor a killing Rapper.. She is one of us in our American Society.
Also, the dysfunctional family is very related to all our lives.
It was absolutely a SHOCKING Verdict. It will be remembered as one of the biggest, unjustified Verdicts of the Century.
Now isn't that important? Lies, and Innocent as an ending--No proof beyond a reasonable doubt. The Jury was responsible to follow the Law for deciding absolute evidence of a murder, and have no emotion toward Casey.
The Jury did their job. No proof or evidence.
Would you not say this is of importance to all people? No Justice and all the findings were there..
Interesting, shrink after shrink interviewed, believed Casey is a sociopath; in other words her mind is warped and she is a psycho. Fortunately, the vast majority of Americans in varying polls believe Casey is guilty of murder. I don't see how anyone can believe differently. How can she not be guilty - if the individual has the reasoning powers of, at least, a four year old.
Fortunately, in our justice system, these things alone do not prove someone has committed a specific murder. Anyone can find a shrink or shrinks who will say something like that, and (thankfully) polls of Americans certainly do not decide the innocence or guilt of anyone on trial.
It is very interesting to me how many of you who were NOT in the courtroom seem to feel you know everything about the trial. You also seem to know everything the jury knew or didn't know. Don't forget that they were completely shielded from the media assault. The media tend to speculate an awful lot in order to make that next scoop, or hadn't you noticed? I paid minimal attention to the trial itself but it was impossible to escape it completely, and I was interested in the verdict. I just know how the media work and I know something about the law-there are several lawyers in my family. I may feel that Ms. Anthony was guilty as could be-and her behavior certainly did not appear innocent-but the evidence has to specifically link HER to the murder. If there is reasonable doubt that someone else could have used her car or computer or gotten duct tape or whatever-even if she did lie-the jurors may have felt unable to convict HER. (I know, that's not what the defense said at least according to the comments on here-but do we know EVERYTHING the defense said every minute of the trial or only what the media wanted us to know?)
We don't know that this whole thing is over at all. There could be civil suits or forthcoming charges against the family regarding other things that may have been said or admitted under oath (based on what I'm reading in the comments, anyway). It wouldn't be unheard of.
As for the bloodthirstiness of some of the postings, I am appalled. Do you guys really think you would be any better than Casey, who you consider a murderer, if you murdered HER or her family? I do realize most of this is a cry for justice and vengeance, but at least think about what you are really saying. Do you really wish for the curses you are calling down on Ms. Anthony? I'm certainly not defending her, but I do have a problem with seeking someone else's murder or with calling down curses on them. I'm far from perfect myself.
To believe that "Reasonable doubt" existed in this case is to excuse reason altogether. NO ONE loses a child and Say's nothing for 31 day's unless they are guilty. NO ONE who lies about what color the sky is (Sarcasm) should be allowed to make false accusations against another in open court without one shred of evidence.
I have read several posts here now from those willing to believe the "fantasy's" of this lair and murderer.
I doubt very seriously that the original foundation laid for our system and the idea of "Reasonable Doubt" was to give credence to unbelievable stories about people who did not exist and the excuses made for why this piece of human fith made them up. How many times will we have to sit through the "Daddy molested me" defense before we REQUIRE that allegation to be a proved "beyond a reasonable doubt? Do "The Menendez Brothers" ring a bell? At least that jury was not buying their line of shiznit.
I believe in our system of law, I believe we should be willing to explore every avenue of possible innocence or guilt... but to look at the circumstances and truth surrounding this case and allow that bitch to walk away a millionaire is an absolute failure and lack of common sense and decency on the part of the 12 idiots the sat for the jury.
Reasonable Doubt?..... I don't think so. What I saw was a Jury that bought the lies of a proved liar (found guilty and sentenced for it) and the fantasy her egotistical lawyers spun... Fools the entire lot.
One can only hope Casey Anthony steps in front of a speeding bus or falls down an dark and dank elevator shaft... That would be justice.
Your posting was good. The last paragraph, of which most Americans cannot relate your ration re: this subject..
The most heinous crime is to kill your own child, innocent, young and not having a conscience about the miserable outcome.
Of course, the posters are as you called them, "bloodthirsty".
This crime is vicious, unconscionable, and there was no Justice for whomever killed or helped Casey rid of the body. Everyone from the family lying to protect themselves from guilt.
There is no zeal in your postings for such a horrendous murder like this.. It's not like stepping on an "ant" and the ant dies.
The thing everybody who is RAAAGGGEEEing saying that it didn't forget that it works like this:
Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
The prosecution didn't provide enough evidence to nail her. Prosecution has the burden of proof, not the defense. That means it is up to the Prosecution to prove guilt. All the Defense has to do is show there is room for doubt within reason.
The one everybody should be mad at is the Prosecution. They are the ones that failed. They are the ones that messed it all up. They are the ones that let her go because they did a half-arse job. They are the ones that blew it by providing insufficient evidence.
I am sorry, she isn't worth the rage. I hope she does get cancer and die a painful death and I'll laugh my ass off. (To anybody that bawws to that comment: Cry more. Your tears are delicious! LULZ@U) Or maybe she will die in a fire... or AIDS... or in ways that will make Freddy Kruger blush in shame.
"Casey Anthony was sentenced to four years in jail Thursday for lying to investigators, but she will be released July 13 due to credit for time served and good behavior."
Amazing. Little miss prim and proper and tidy dressed decided to show up today with her down looking like the murdering slut she is. Now the jurors say it made them "sick to their stomachs" to have to let her go. They just needed the guts to say guilty and they didn't have them.They didn't find her innocent,just not guilty. What a bunch of fruits. I just hope everybody who can sue the hell out of her does. Maybe she will be like OJ then. What ever she manages to get will belong to some one else. A killer getting time off for good behavior. What a disgrace.
Either she is the smartest dame on the block (laf) or there was far more to this than was uncovered. In any case the prosecution should have set the expectations to the tax payers that she had to prove "Living the party life" can be considered a motive for murder. If she would have we, the tax payers, could have saved about 250K USD.
Bottom line...
She got 3 hots and a cot w/healthcare for 3 years+ to set her up for her million dollar paydays. Gotta love our system.
Its a shame that that incompetent bitch got away with MURDER! She chloroformed (sic?) that little girl and killed her. It may have been an accident that she killed her. She may have wanted to just knock her out for a while, while mommy went and got laid. Then she drives around with her in the back of the car decomposing for days, then abandons the car? That is evidence enough for me to say she is guilty.
Also, the police should be held liable for the failure in this case. If they would have gone into that woods and done a thorough search, they would have found Caylee while there was still usable evidence and her horrible mother would be on death row today. Instead, they didn't go in there because of rattlesnakes? What the hell?!!! What a bunch of wimps. You mean to tell me they would break into a house after a wanted crimnal that may have a gun, but they are afraid of a poisonous snake. Fire them immediately! Hell, call me on the next search in a wooded area with snakes and I will go in there and look. If I get bit by a damn snake, I will just go to the hospital and get some anti-venom.
Hawg....she cannot be tried for anything relating to the death of her daughter. Or for any of the 'not guiltys'. Double jeopardy. If she had taken the stand, however, and lied and was found to be 'not guilty' on the charges relating to her daughter's death, they could have charged her with purgery and locked her up for that. That is probably why she didn't take the stand. I've seen that happen before. But then she can't open her mouth without lying. And, yes, I think the police dropped the ball, BIG time. When child is missing, don't they normally search around the home-especially since they knew she was lying right away about the nanny. Even if they think the child is 'just' missing? AND when Roy Kronk called in August, they should have investigated properly. There may have been evidence to help prove the case better. The officer that went out for that call in August was fired. He should have been, for God's sake. He should be in trouble for hindering an investigation. AND, Casey, in one of her jail time videos, she told her parents 'I know she is close to home'......my first thought was of those woods. It was reported that one of her old friends, not the girl she buried her pets with, but another guy who had since moved from the area, said that they used to play in those woods and they should search there. I can't figure out why they didn't do all this right away. I think there is a HUGE problem in that. My son was missing 20min, and I had the police at my door and at the grade school-the school made an 'error' and 'lost' him $$^%$. I would have called after 10 min if I had known sooner. I wouldn't wait 31 min. to report my child missing. My point is that the police asked me for a piece of his clothing that had NOT been washed, in case they needed to have the dogs look for him. I nearly passed out when they asked for that. My son is special needs and he was found sitting in the office at school 45 min. later but that was the longest 45 minutes of my life. Long story about the school. Yes I was extremely livid. Long story. BUT, I called after 20 min. and they were already going to start searching the area. I can't figure out why they wouldn't have done that for Caylee.......just a thought...
Derek, good post and excellent powers of reasoning and logic. I know, the defense does not have to prove anything as the burden rests with the prosecution; however, did the defense prove Casey innocent of murdering her child?
I thought the prosecution vastly more credible than all the fiction created by the defense. I thought the defense told fairy tale after tale, about as credible & reasoning as Casey's lies.
I would think basic reasoning and logic would overshadow reasonable doubt. The root word here is, reason and reasoning, and the jury reflected none of this. I have not a shred of doubt she murdered her child, none, and I fail to comprehend how anyone could believe and think and reason differently. I think jurors should be given IQ tests and sanity hearings before taking a seat in justice and protecting the public from sociopaths and murdering psychos.
Derek - The jury obviously didn't believe comments made by her and that is why they convicted her of lying to the investigators. However, the prosecution obviously wasn't able to convince the jury that she was guilty of murder. Your mind was made up long before the trial started so it comes as no surprise that you are angry.
skor -
I know, the defense does not have to prove anything as the burden rests with the prosecution; however, did the defense prove Casey innocent of murdering her child?
Huh? If the defense doesn't have to prove anything, why should they have to prove her innocence?
I'm sorry....but she was the last person to be with the child. The child was her responsibility. The child ended up dead.
Did the child kill herself and stuff herself in plastic garbage bags? I don't think so. Casey should have at LEAST been convicted of manslaughter. Now there will be no justice for this small, innocent child.
This is a sad day for the justice system. Do I think she did it? Without a doubt. But look at O.J. It took 12 years for karma to catch up to him. I pray the same for Casey.
The thinker, so whom do you think was more credible, more reasoning and reasonable and logical -- the prosecution or the defense? I rest my case. And, 80% of all Americans believe Casey murdered her child.
The defense was comprised of fiction and smoke screens to direct common sense and reasoning and evidence from the redneck, white trash jury. Some of the defense theories reminded me of smokey opium dens and pot parties.
The prosecution was not only more credible, but more intelligent in proving this sociopath guilty of murdering her little girl or only an idiot would think differently. No one had to be an Einstein to deduce Casey killed her little girl with premeditation.
When you or anyone offers to do something because of sincerely caring, then you should not expect to get paid for the task. To do so is superficially shallow, selfish, self-serving, self- righteous, and seeking out public attention to say the least. You offer out of the goodness of your heart, or sincerity of the objective. Furthermore, it is not physically possible for Cassey to have moved her daughter's body, since she was constantly monitored by the police and the their jail TV, unless you believe in a unique or futuristic skill of telepathic transportation, or whatever. Therefore, another person or persons were involved with moving the child's body (apparently not once, but at least twice or more times). Why did they move the body? Why wasn't Crock (or however you spell his name) questioned far more thoroughly over his finding of Caylee, especially when his ex-wife reported on record that she had been severely beaten and duct tape placed over her mouth by her ex-spouse (Mr. CrocK). That right there is indeed a peculiarly, strange sicking coincidental fact. And he even admitted on record that he found the little girl's body twice at a time when the area was so thoroughly scoured numerous times by many people. They couldn't find the body, but he did, twice. Was he guilty of "Obstruction of Justice"? Or others that may have moved the body at different times? Certainly the moving of the body is sicking as-well-as strange; but the police appears not to have followed through with more due diligence on the facts surrounding Crock's similarities, or other person's possible involvement in the death of Caylee. They just couldn't seem to concentrate beyond Cassey being guilty. To further comment on your above remark, Jesus in the Bible says: "Let anyone without sin be the first one to throw the first stone." The Public Court of Opinion has been very quick in doing so when they are not qualified as an expert, or worked on the case, or presented with ALL the so-called circumstantial or concrete facts (other than what was reported by the media, or leaked by the attorneys to the public). So it's time to stop fueling the fire with out of control emotional judgments. We don't always like the decisions made and we especially don't like to see the death of an individual regardless if it is an accident or murder. The latter just makes the event more profound. Also, I disapprove of anyone(i.e. alleged prisoner, police, investigators, experts or general witnesses, family, jury, court clerks, possibly the media in some respects, and all court officials) involved with the case should be allowed to greedily profit from the case. Such actions is nothing more than greedy hypocritical with self-serving intentions (i.e. A perfect example is the grand-standing prosecutor, Ashton, who was way too busy being out there on tours to be the first one televised nationally for paid interviews; but too busy to be in Court for today's sentencing as was Biaz in spite of his hectic schedule. Ashton just couldn't wait to profit, and possibly too busy before the trial ended with setting up the interviews rather than concentrating on the case. You'll notice, too, that Ashton (in denial) on National TV during the interview spoke very adamantly and was quick to blame the Jury for their decision (based on the Constitutional Laws over emotions) rather the truth of accepting full responsibility of himself or his teammates for their incompetent/incomplete work as-well-as simply did not meet the standards of concrete proof instead of all circumstantial evidence. Everyone needs to not fall prey to twisted or manipulated rumors regardless of the source and to keep emotions in check over the outcome. In a way this whole event has worked much like politics attempting to advance their point that is often with very good and lawful intentions, but too often with devious ways to obtain the outcome they believe it should be. Yes, we do not like the outcome, but all the Jurors did what was legally correct and for that alone I can show full respect. Now move on and leave all involved alone to recuperate and heal from an unfortunate event. Some will never live a normal life again. In the end God knows the truth and will deal with the final Judgment ("There's an old saying: "What goes around, comes back around !!"). Finally, God Bless little Caylee, who is now in the care of very good and loving hands.
My bad!! I forgot to include veryblessed's quoted comment in her post:#1.39 at the beginning of my posted response (# 1.116) to some of her statements, etc. Here is veyblessed's comment as follows:
"No, Casey did not request the search party because she had the body hidden somewhere and didn't want the body found. Casey's murdering of her daughter caused the search party. When the publlic finds out that a child has been missing for over a month, guess what happens? People start to care and want to find them and they start search parties. Casey brought that and everything else that has happened on herself. She is NOT an innocent victim in this mess - Caylee was!"
When the death of an individual occurs, accidental or murder, all of us should care from the very beginning without the intentions of seeking fame or profit, and not waiting until after it has reached the public via media around the world.
Were you there personally involved as a qualified expert to read and legally investigate all the so-called evidence that was not completely privileged for us to have ??? Both sides showed their inefficiencies and the prosecution proved nothing concrete by law. Therefore, I rest my case with the "Court of Know it all and emotional Public" opinions. Know for sure what you speak of, before spouting not proved circumstantial facts, and to quickly calling others idiots, which only reflects back to your naive remarks.
The state were Dante Stallworth ran down a guy while driving drunk and it was the poor immigrant workers fault for having the audacity to cross the street in front of DS's Bentley.
And if you low life know it alls cant tell someone is guilty from her mom's 911 call, the only true piece of evidence in the whole case, you are a low life pos troll.
Sure no evidence for Murder 1 or Manslaughter, but no child endangerment? I suppose in Florida there is a special law for people in Orange County, that own pools. I suppose when you live in the rarified air your kids can accidentally drown in a pool and it isnt anyones fault. It must be the euphoria of living in such a wonderful party town, that was Casey's excuse, right?
I have watched that juror Jennifer a few times on FOX. I find her smug and in denial, a dangerous combination.
No justice for poor Caylee. A baby gets killed, the media whores it up, the whore herself gets off, and Geraldo gets ratings.
It's all about profit and fame with media attention at the expense of innocent persons. It's amazing how the prosecutor in less than 24 hours is first on national TV with his snide, snickering laughing grin ( the same one that was shown) during the attorney's final summary comments.
"The root word here is, reason and reasoning, and the jury reflected none of this. I have not a shred of doubt she murdered her child, none, and I fail to comprehend how anyone could believe and think and reason differently. I think jurors should be given IQ tests and sanity hearings before taking a seat in justice and protecting the public from sociopaths and murdering psychos."
It's a good thing you do not sit on the juries in FL, because your emotional opinions indicates a medieval witch hunt for Jurors in the "Court of Public opinion" that definitely would not pass the tests which you suggest. Both sides of attorneys as a rule have an expert on hand for selecting potentially good jurors based on their responses, etc.
she is so dam fine id love to hook up with this smokin hot lady , she is a very lucky lady and i would love to close to that kind of luck and that hot body , she is certainly a 10 on the ten scale any man that says different says so just because hes afraid of his girl and wears them strap on nutts...
The Jury acted in a sophisticated, mature, professional manner without the out- of- control emotions, and followed the law (although not always perfect). They served society (while giving up their work or personal time) to do a job well done under the legal guide lines. We don't have to like the outcome. However, we do need avoid calling the jury or others invalid and derogatory names. Otherwise, those bullying, schoolyard tactics, attempting to downgrade others with the grand-standing name calling only reflects back on those name callers. Especially, when the Jurors were the ones taking the time to serve society knowing that they'd most likely have to face an already unqualified, prejudicial populace, who were often informed by rumors or some very biased media information put out for the purpose of profit and ratings. These tactics of illogical thinking are so similar to what is done in politics and voting. Move on to something more productive and leave the Jury alone! They did what they were required to do.
The hanging judge media have been disappointed. They have tried with this and the O.J. trial to make the public as blood thirsty and contemptuous of the law and democratic principles as they are but they failed. The verdict proves some part of the public is uncorrupted by the endless stream of garbage and lies that flows from the corporate media.
Good going to the Casey Anthony Jury! You did your job in spite of a lot of pressure not to.
The acquittal of Casey Anthony
By David Walsh 8 July 2011
The acquittal Tuesday of 25-year-old Casey Anthony in Orlando, Florida, on charges of murdering her young daughter in June 2008, points to a fact of some social significance. While the authorities and the media in the US regard democratic norms and elementary legal safeguards as obstacles to be gotten around, the population by and large still takes these matters seriously.
The Anthony case has been at the center of the most recent American media frenzy, by now a thoroughly predictable and deplorable phenomenon. Cable television talk show hosts, such as Nancy Grace of CNN's Headline News, did everything in their power over the course of months to blacken Anthony's name and bring about her conviction. These are scoundrels without a shred of decency.....
....There is no shortage of mass anger and dissatisfaction in the US, whose principal source, in the final analysis, is the rapid deterioration and even breakdown of the conditions of everyday life. The monopoly of the political discourse by two right-wing, pro-business parties, impervious to popular suffering, precludes honest and healthy debate over any important social matter. Desperate to divert attention from the growing social disaster, the media seeks to provide seething discontent a malignant outlet.
Individuals who may feel helpless about the overall state of life or their own personal circumstances are encouraged to vent their frustration at officially chosen scapegoats. The American mass media, useless as it is when it comes to presenting the truth about contemporary events, is skilled at sniffing out the vulnerable, the wretched, the damaged soul whose personal misfortunes will serve for a week or a month to distract the most confused layers of the population—those layers, ironically, most similar in their social and psychological vulnerability to the chosen victim! Many of the individuals now shouting or emailing "Justice for Caylee!" are really demanding, only falsely and not understanding why they are outraged, justice for themselves. The only consequence of such a campaign is more law-and-order hysteria, new reactionary laws, and the further mystification of social reality....
.....Reuters points to the role of Headline News (HLN) and Nancy Grace in particular. "When the trial started in late May, HLN was mired in a ratings slump, facing a double-digit dip in ratings year-to-year. Grace's passion became the channel's way of ending its slump."
Al Tompkins, senior faculty member for the Poynter Institute's broadcasting and online group, told the wire service, "It's just unforgivable the amount of vitriol that has come from her show [and] that has now permeated the entire channel … There was no room for them for anything other than a guilty verdict.".....
....Grace, a former prosecutor in Georgia who was cited three times by appellate courts for misconduct (a Bush-appointed judge wrote that she "played fast and loose" with the rules), has made a name for herself as a demagogue and scandalmonger....
....The venom continues unabated. Her thorough discrediting in the Anthony case will have no effect. And there is nothing to choose between Grace and a dozen others. These are the professional befoulers of the public consciousness, viciously anti-democratic zealots, fascistic elements.
The main body of the American media, including Grace and her ilk, embody what is worst in American life. They relish the spectacle of a death sentence, to gain ratings, to demoralize the population. Part of Grace's verbal violence is aimed at intimidating juries. Fortunately, the overwhelming majority of the American people do not operate at the moral level of these figures.
The Casey Anthony jury followed its best instincts, but to defeat hardened reaction in America demands more than that, the growth of socialist understanding and conscious opposition to the rotten social order that breeds such filth.
An -- Well, you can classify this anyway you wish, but Einstein, you represent the minority, the low minority of thinking, reasoning and basic logic of most Americans. Casey had motive and opportunity, and just based on common statistics, most murders are committed by people who know the individual, and family comes in first. With murders of children, mothers present first. Just like Susan Smith who fell in love with a man who didn't want her children, and all the pyscho mothers who kill their children, and Casey is a sociopath or psychopath. duh
Everything presented pointed to Casey -- from the 5 weeks she failed to report her baby missing to lie, after, lie, after lie. To her partying and living it up, to everything wrapped around this rotted child's body taken from Caylee's bedroom, including the surround on the crib and the blanket, and the laundry bag to her own mother frantically saying on the 911 tape that something was terribly wrong, and the car, duh, Einstein, Casey's car smelled like a dead body, duh and many murderers have been sentenced to murder one without even a dead body and with pure circumstantial evidence. Far less evidence presented in this case. Duh, what a bunch of idiots, who cannot margnally deduce, reason and present logically and normally.
Based on statistics, evidence and circumstances and motive and opportunity, how could Casey not be guilty unless the jurors are utterly and completely, rednecks and white trash and dumb as dog poo poo.
Outstanding comment and thanks for presenting the excellent article from David Walsh, which I had not read. The explanation hits the target dead center with the problems in our complicated society. And then we wonder why there is so much bullying and murder in schools while the adults are too often acting like childish fools. The children just follow the role model adults they see at home, in the neighborhood, in politicians, and especially in the media. Our adult society needs to set far better examples of appropriate behavior for the children to see, respect, and hopefully follow as they mature. One just has to look at public role model behavior in Congress, among other politicians (local, State, or National), among big businesses, etc. to grasp this concept of not presenting good, decent behavior for observation by our children, the future adults, who will someday lead this great Country to it's success or demise.
Read carefully skor 154 and then you may have some idea of why this behavior is not acceptable and 100% not appropriate. The names you call others only reflects back on your insecure deficiencies.
Your comment in post #1. 128 to quote you just proves the point I made about the lack of respect and poor behavior in our society.
"Based on statistics, evidence and circumstances and motive and opportunity, how could Casey not be guilty unless the jurors are utterly and completely, rednecks and white trash and dumb as dog poo poo."
The Jury followed the guide lines and the Constitutional Laws as provided by a very strict Judge.
The posting I made about your last comment should have been written as # 1.126 and not as I incorrectly wrote (# 1.128) in the first line/sentence of my comment posted #1.129.
1. Find out what law school these Prosecutors attended and make sure you never hire anyone from that school. Obviously, they're not teaching their students well enough to properly try a case like this.
2. I'm betting that laws are going to start popping up designed to get convictions in other cases like this. Like for concealing the death/disappearance of a child, whether accidental or purposeful.
There's been no justice for Caylee, but that doesn't mean this mistake needs to be repeated.
I have tried to understand how the jury could acquit Casey, from any responsibility, for her daughter’s death, and now I finally understand…
Last night on the News, one of the Jurors actually said that “We could not convict Casey of 1st Degree Murder, so we had to come back with - Not Guilty”.
REALLY… You mean to say that they slept through ALL-OF-THE-OTHER charges that the judge read, that they could have found Casey guilty of.
I think it is a stretch, but I can see how they might have doubts about the 1st Degree Murder charge. But the jurors even said they believed she was guilty, to some degree.
I still have to say that the jury was baffled by the BS, and they bought into it.
Well, to all you jurors - I hope you remember for the rest of your days, that from the MISTAKE you made, you GOT IT WRONG, and cut a Murderer loose.
Looks like too many people just hit the 'Reply' button. It's hard to navigate this thread when so many posters piggyback off the same original post. To look at it, 133 people replied to just one comment. Each progressive post ends up being a 'reply' to the one before it, making it impossible for anyone to reply to any other comment inside of those first 1.133.
Thanks, Rockjock, for taking some initiative and ending the trend.
Are you a legal expert on the Constitutional Laws ? If you don't like the laws, then do something legally about changing it, which is what I understand that FL is now trying to do with the Caylee Law. The Jury followed the Law versus showing their emotions such as you. Were you out there on a daily basis doing the investigating? Are you some kind of technical criminal expert, who had the privilege and access to all of the information? Probably not from your comments. Even the Jury had to leave the court room several times and were not privy to what was then discussed. So why would you or the rest of the public be granted access to all of the information? The only concrete evidence was the lying to the authorities, and she was found guilty on all 4 of those counts. Get over it because emotions do not rule; but the Law does even though most the Right Wing and some on the Left may think differently when it applies to them. I suggest that you try reading the post # 1.125 by ArchStanton again more carefully. Do you vote in the same emotional judgmental manner based on all that media, ads, or rumors have to say?
2. I'm betting that laws are going to start popping up designed to get convictions in other cases like this. Like for concealing the death/disappearance of a child, whether accidental or purposeful.
I hope you`re wrong. We have enough damn laws already controlling and restricting the lives of honest people. We need less government intrusion in our lives not more!
One last time, for the several people above who mentioned it: the defense DOESN'T HAVE TO PROVE INNOCENCE. EVER. They could sit there on their hands and wait for the prosecution to fail all on it's own. Virtually every defense involves presenting an alternative set of circumstances and facts designed to get jurors thinking, but they don't HAVE to prove ONE SINGLE THING in court. It is SOLELY on the prosecution to PROVE GUILT, period. If they can't or don't prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt - of which there was PLENTY in the case of Casey Anthony - then the accused walks.
That is the way it has been forever, all across this land. You can complain or moan or bitch forever, but it won't do you any good. Even after this verdict, we still have the fairest and best overall system of justice in the world. That doesn't mean it's perfect, or that it ever will be. But there is no better way out there, as of yet.
Because I openly admit that I could be wrong, in my deduction of what transpired. And I welcome a point of view that Logically & Reasonably Proves me wrong. But, thus far I have NOT seen one.
Do I feel strongly about this? YES I DO…But only because I have seen all the FACTS (as I am sure you have), and I can come to NO OTHER Logical conclusion.
Consider this:
- Casey was Solely Responsible for this little girl - who DIED - on Her Watch.
- Casey NEVER reported Caylee missing, and in fact it was only her mother Cindy that reported Caylee missing.
- Casey Blatantly LIED about the reason behind Caylee’s disappearance. She held on, and embellished this LIE until it was proved a LIE.
- Casey Blatantly LIED about working as an event planner at Universal Studios.
- Searches were found on her computer for – “how to make chloroform”.
- Casey was out Partying like she just didn’t care; following the Admitted date that Caylee DIED.
- Cindy Anthony committed perjury to protect Casey.
These are just some of the FACTS – And they are “Undisputed”.
This paints a picture of Casey’s attitude, and the kind of life she was living. So, the question is - why did she do this.
Defense presented an Explanation – at the last minute – that the reason for Casey’s actions was because of Abuse. This really becomes the deciding factor, and is the only thing that makes the Defense’s theory work. Obviously you believe that abuse is/was the cause of Casey’s Web of Lies, and the ultimate cause of Caylee’s Death.
Well, I DO NOT!
Just because Defense throws this story against the wall and it sticks, does not make it so. It is BS, and it stinks…
Thus, these are the Undisputed Facts, and they all point towards Casey’s Guilt.
And then I watched an interview with a Juror yesterday, and she said that the reason they came back with a NOT GUILTY verdict was because they couldn’t convict Casey of 1st Degree Murder, implying they did not even consider the other charges that the Judge explained they could use.
So, these are the reasons I feel the way I do. Prove me wrong…
This whole story is sad. A mother who parties and lives it up drinking and dancing in bars for about one month while NOT reporting her baby girl missing is not just a bad mom but is criminally guilty of SOMETHING and in this instance is guilty of murder IMHO. I hope that any money she makes is taking away from her for investigation and legal costs and/or in a potential civil suit. Also, I couldn't believe that the defense attorneys were drinking champagne across the street from the courthouse and high-fiving each other celebrating their win in their case in which a baby girl was killed.
Is it disgusting to you that the defense attorneys did their job in representing their client to the best of their ability? Or is it disgusting they were celebrating their success in representing their client in much the same manner as every other person in the US celebrates major career successes?
Or is it more disgusting that the DA's office, who had unlimited resources at their disposal to obtain evidence and witnesses that would secure Ms. Anthony's conviction, failed to do so, and utterly failed to present a competent case for the jury to consider?
Or is it disgusting that forensic evidence experts were unable to link Ms. Anthony to any piece of evidence tied to the child, given the youth and ignorance of the suspect?
Is it disgusting that the jury found the DA had failed to prove anything more than a suspicion that Ms. Anthony had something to do with the death of her child, and therefore in good conscience could not convict her of the charges?
It is possible - hell probable - that you are disgusted about something of which you have very little, if any, understanding or knowledge, and about whom you are willing and ready to believe anything which casts them in a bad light.
People who are disgusted by the actions of others - who invest themselves emotionally in others' actions for whatever reason - tend to be disgusted by those actions because they see something similar - some similarly disgusting action - in themselves. Hmmmmmmmm....
Not defending their actions but if you were Baez and you just pretty much tripled your going salary in 3 months work you would be drinking champagne too.
Dean what a cold stoned good little Liberal you are. Maybe you are fixated on a whore load catcher, some how hoping this scumbag will call you. Maybe you and the load catcher could have a child together, see how that works out.
LIBERAL??!!!! HAHA! Realist, yes! Emotionally motivated to call people names and threaten them with all manner of harm? Nope!! I have no emotional investment in this matter, and I have seen too often the role emotions play in the stupidity of people. Before the days of civilized humanity, hominids responded to every occurrence in their lives with unfettered emotional outbursts. Civilization indicates a people who are sophisticated enough to avoid being stirred up by someone who would manipulate them to act using emotional ploys and plays. If you aren't sophisticated enough to see the truth without becoming emotionally vested in something, you are nothing more than an uneducated, ignorant, and used redneck, now aren't you?
Dean, you took the words right out of my mouth. Most of these idiots have been whipped into a frenzy by Nancy DisGrace. People, does this affect you or your family? No? Then STFU and get on with your lives. None of you actually know what happened, and just like the prosecution, you can only SPECULATE. And that's exactly why she was found NOT GUILTY. Ah, mob mentality is surely a thing to behold.
First of all Baez did not win because "he did his job" he actually won because the prosecution just could not prove their case and had no evidence proving she actually did in fact murder her child. He was a joke of an attorney. Pure luck.
I believe Dean is correct. All the legal pundits view the verdict as correct based on facts and evidence presented. The justice system worked as designed. If you accuse me of a crime then prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Not evidence that says I may have done it or probably did.
soupy55 - why is that when a lot of people are put in their place and have nothing intelligent to contribute, they further prove their ignorance and immaturity by name calling and finger pointing?
Has anyone here ever served on a jury? If so, then you'd realize the jury can only deliberate with what facts they were given. The prosecution didn't provide the evidence to convict BEYOND ALL REASONABLE DOUBT. There were far too many holes and the jury really didn't have a choice but to acquit. This is the way it should be.
You should never, ever convict someone on emotion alone. EVIDENCE is what the jury is told to work with.
If you hate our justice system so much - then you are perfectly welcome to live somewhere else and see how good (or bad) that country's justice system is.
To threaten the family is just plain wrong. People need to get a grip. Yes, it is sad this little girl is dead - she never should have died. I wish we could have gotten some closure on this, but we may never know just what happened.
In a country like Iran I can go to an official plant some "evidence" saying you committed a crime worthy of death (which can be so simple as you were spying) slip him some cash and you are gone. I personally like the justice system we have in the U.S..
Most of these idiots have been whipped into a frenzy by Nancy DisGrace.
Exactly! And how much money has Nancy made off of this little girl's death? But the mob doesn't ask that question, because Nancy feeds them what they need.
Go get a life people. And if blame is indeed your game, blame the prosecution. They are supposed to represent the victim. But that's not what they did for little Caylee: they chose notoriety for themselves instead. If they'd gone after Casey with third degree murder, they would have gotten a conviction.
Everybody has used this little girl for their own gain; from the mother on down to you, the mob. That's the most sickening part of the whole thing.
Good for her. In a couple months she will be free and able to make her millions. He lawyer wil be rich soon too now that he has proven the Chewbacca defense truly is applicable to modern day Legalities.
I think that the point in the original post was that the defense should have shown some tact and discretion in their celebrating since the case was over the death of a small child. Do they have the right to celebrate their win? Absolutely. But they could have been a little more sensitive and done it in private.
This case is over. Done. Nothing can be changed. It's time to move on. There is zero doubt in my mind that Caylee was abused/neglected at some point in her life before she died. So, let's focus on protecting the kids are haven't yet been killed by their abusive parents/family/guardian/teacher/caregiver/priest/coach. No one was able to save Caylee, but let it be a lesson to us all to pay attention to what is going on around us and TAKE ACTION when a child is abused and/or neglected before they end up dead with their picture paraded around in a global media circus! You people really should stop fighting.
What I find interesting is that all during the trial, she sat there with her hair pulled back, in a neat little bun, looking like the picture of sedate innocence. On the from page of MSN today, where they show a picture of her coming to court for this sentencing, she has a sweater dress type outfit, long ponytail slung over her shoulder. Now she looks like the tramp she is, ready to party, and move along.... if I had any doubts this removed them all. I realize court appearances are essential because we do judge on appearance, and to go from "libarian lady" to "ready to be free" shows what kind of character she has... or does not have.. she didn't even make an attempt to look like she was sedate..
Nick opines: "Maybe one day you will be convicted of a crime that no one can prove you committed. And you were innocent. I can hear the whining now."
No, sorry....not going to be in the position of having to explain why my kid was missing for 30+ days while I was partying or why my car was abandoned with the smell of a corpse evident to even laypeople or why my kid was thrown in the woods to rot or why the nanny I made up was a lie...etc etc. So law abiding citizens people get caught with such troubling facts damning them everyday enough that this case should give comfort? Try again, apologist.
I would not put someone to death if I had a doubt the size of a mustard seed as to their guilt or innocence. Death is too final to be flippant about it!
I think that the point in the original post was that the defense should have shown some tact and discretion in their celebrating since the case was over the death of a small child
My thoughts exactly. I think Dean just wanted to try and show off a little uber-intellectualism.
While celebrating a win is never a bad thing, the manner in which the celebration is what is in question with the above poster's remark I believe. Mr Baez threw enough scenarios out there and got the jury to question the prosecutions case....kudos to the defense team. To raise a toast directly after winning of a case in which your client is accused of murdering her little child? Meh, sorry Dean & Co but I think there is a tremendous lack of tact with that gesture. I'm not implying that the defense team shouldn't congratulate each other but let's not do it while the wound is still fresh, hmm? It just seems callous.
What I find interesting is that all during the trial, she sat there with her hair pulled back, in a neat little bun, looking like the picture of sedate innocence. On the from page of MSN today, where they show a picture of her coming to court for this sentencing, she has a sweater dress type outfit, long ponytail slung over her shoulder. Now she looks like the tramp she is, ready to party, and move along.... if I had any doubts this removed them all. I realize court appearances are essential because we do judge on appearance, and to go from "libarian lady" to "ready to be free" shows what kind of character she has... or does not have.. she didn't even make an attempt to look like she was sedate..
That was my first reaction to the picture of her in court as well. All during the trial, she had her hair pinned up and wore these demure little outfits so the world could see what a "good girl" she was. Now that she's been acquitted, she shows up in a skin-tight, low cut, mini-skirted outfit. Guess which one of these images is the REAL Casey Anthony?
A mother who parties and lives it up drinking and dancing in bars for about one month while NOT reporting her baby girl missing is not just a bad mom but is criminally guilty of SOMETHING and in this instance is guilty of murder IMHO.
Wrong. Partying while your daughter is missing is NOT criminal, though it is disgusting and heartless. It is not illegal to be disgusting and heartless, and it does not make you guilty of murder.
Can you imagine what this country would be like if we could charge people for crimes they didn't commit simply because they didn't behave 'appropriately' and as expected? A mother is expected to show concern and use every available resource to find her missing child. If she doesn't do so, that doesn't automatically make her guilty of murder, no matter how disgusted we may be with her.
The justice system did its job, and did it successfully, without the influence of popular opinion.
I think that the point in the original post was that the defense should have shown some tact and discretion in their celebrating since the case was over the death of a small child
"Wrong. Partying while your daughter is missing is NOT criminal, though it is disgusting and heartless. It is not illegal to be disgusting and heartless"
WRONG, Accipiter. It IS criminal - children come with responsibilities to take care of and not endanger them as enforced by our laws. And even if you'd rather believe the defense, who didn't prove their wild story & allegations and where Casey's Mom was clearly perjuring herself, a parent is not allowed to judge if a child is too past dead to not call the paramedics/rescue. Or to conspire to cover up anything criminal like neglect or dumping the kid in the woods. Am speaking to your assertion about that "not being criminal" only.
Fishmail - can you show me the law that states it's criminal to not show a certain level of concern when your child is missing? Yes, parents are required to care for their children, but it is NOT illegal to be happy when your child is missing instead of upset. There are no laws criminalizing partying instead of searching.
It IS heartless, but as I said before, being heartless is not illegal. I'm not defending Casey as a mother - I think she is a terrible person for her reaction (or lack thereof) of her child's disappearance when it happened, but that doesn't automatically make her the murderer.
RN in Philly People don't understand the subtle difference between doubt and reasonable doubt. You can have some doubt and convict. There was no reasonable or sufficient doubt to not convict in this case, unless you are so literal and basic that you can't grasp it. Stuff the jury with the simple and easily confused, and you can commit the worst crime imaginable. This is not how the jury system is supposed to work. America failed here.
I really get tired of individuals who feel they have to go after the jury when they don't like the outcome of a trial. That some how, without even knowing those individuals, they just have to be "confused", or some state stupid, ignorant etc. The juror just can't understand it as good as they do! Especially when those individuals see snit bits on the news. More than likely have never ever been on a jury in a Death Penalty case or probably not on a jury at all. For some reason believe that 12 people + alternates who sat through the trial and were face to face with ALL the evidence, no far less then they do. Now who's the confused ones????
In this country we are not suppose to determine guilt from snit bits in the news, which everyone on this board is doing. In this country it is not up to the jury to make the case of each individual charge. That is up to the prosecuting attorney. This prosecutor & coroner did not supply evidence needed to link to one of the charges other than lying. We all including the jury know she's involved with it, but to what degree? When? Why? & Where? Three adults lived in that home, had access to the car, garbage bags, & duct tape. How are you so certain that it was Casey? What proof do you have?
While you debate this case, which is only on TV because its a middle class disfunctional family in a middle class neighborhood with a cute little girl, not to mention to many people in this country just love a great reality show these days, according to the American Anthropological Association, more than 200 women kill their children in the US each year. Three to five children a day are killed by their parents. Homicide is one of the leading causes of death of children under age four. And I am sure, there are many of those that walk away, not because of the jury, but because the prosecutor did not prove his case based on the charges the prosecutor wrote. So since this crime was committed...approximately 3285 children have been murdered by a parent.
That's what you should be spending your energy on, finding a way to stop this from ever coming to trial. Pay attention to what's going on in your own neighborhood, not in another state that is 1000's of miles away from you.
Fishmail - can you show me the law that states it's criminal to not show a certain level of concern when your child is missing? Yes, parents are required to care for their children, but it is NOT illegal to be happy when your child is missing instead of upset. There are no laws criminalizing partying instead of searching.
It IS heartless, but as I said before, being heartless is not illegal. I'm not defending Casey as a mother - I think she is a terrible person for her reaction (or lack thereof) of her child's disappearance when it happened, but that doesn't automatically make her the murderer.
Sure - but it sure does put an enormous blinking light-up sign above her head that says MURDERER. I mean really now?
Child missing for over a month and doesn't tell anyone, when question she makes up bullsh!t stories, shows little to no worry about her daughter's whereabouts, impedes the discovery of her child's corpse by providing false information, abandons her corpse stanking car, hair found in the vehicle with matching familial DNA with post-mortem banding (ie corpse hair), more lies and made up bullsh!t than one can believe....
I mean really now guy... really? really.... what about that can be contrued as anything other than guilty behaviour?
All of that evidence screams guilty, and don't forget all the research about a drug that can conveniently be used to sedate a person, especially a small annoying child.
Casey...Is that you???? HAHA! You are ridiculous! You are sooooooo on Casey (a cold hearted killer)'s side! WOW! You must not have kids...or a soul. People like you, heartless and idiotic are what is wrong with this case.
Oh well, there's a place for people like you :) Enjoy! Hahaha!
blah blah blah....The prosecution never produced any credible material evidence so you guys can say whatever you want.... the fact is she definitely did something...there's no denying that but the court and the legal system determined she's not guilty of murder so...no matter how you cut it, by law, she's not a murderer. crappy mom yeah, liar yeah, screwed up yeah, murderer no.
I get such a kick out of your comments. She's in a blue sweater with her hair down that is far from revealing. My boss wears far more lower cut blouses all the time at work. What is so wrong with you people that you actually pysically SEE things different than a normal person?
You are so convinced of her guilt that somehow your screwed up mind sees a person dressed normally, you internally scale down their dress, and then write a post declaring as fact that she's dressed as a tramp. I mean you actually have serious psychological issues when that's happening to you. That's not even a tounge in cheek joke. You're actually seeing things different than normal people because you're clouded by rage! It's insane!
We watched every minute of this trial. No one has to be an Einstein to logically and sanely see that this sociopath killed her child. Therein is the problem. A crime expert maintains that psychos receive lesser sentences because they are charming and lie so well. People like individuals without consciences because they are human charmers. And, have no problems lying...
The good news is, in poll after poll, the vast majority of Americans believe this wacko is guilty of killing her child, and everyone is maintaining, the jurors are low IQ'd, white trash. Perhaps, jurors should be submitted to IQ tests and sanity hearings.
It is time, this nation's intellectuals stopped wiggling out of jury duty because psychos are a real threat to society, and not every American possesses the brains to unfold the truth. Frankly, I am stunned, anyone would find her not guilty of murder.
Brooklyn, I highly disagree; I don't see how anyone, with the logic and reasoning at the level of a 5 year old, could find her not guilty. I thought the prosecution produced much logical evidence while the defense produced many smoke screens to obfuscate the evidence. What real, hard evidence was there, Casey is innocent? Even Casey's own mom in her 911 call when she discovered Caylee had been missing for over a month said "something is wrong here" and Casey's car smelled like a "dead body". Well, who was it that had died? Who had motive and the opportunity?
And the Anthony's own attorney let it slip, even her own parents thought she was guilty! Basically, I cannot understand how anyone, with even limited logic and reasoning, could find her not guilty of first degree murder.
For me, the prosecution overwhelmed all the little contrived ramblings of the defense. Crafted to direct attention from the prosecution and their evidence, and to steal the focus of idiots and low IQ's on supposition and lies. Duhhh, countless dysfunctional families exist but never produce a sociopathic, child murderer.
The prosecution's evidence was far more credible than the heresay of the defense...
And honestly, while this is a real travesty, I don't think this has much bearing on anything in the 99.9% majority of people's lives. We all need to let this case go away, because 1) It doesn't help anything; 2) Not give this b!tch any more attention.
Aceipiter challenges w/"Fishmail - can you show me the law that states it's criminal to not show a certain level of concern when your child is missing?"
Way to soften what she did into a passive act and not showing a "certain level" of concern when it was proven that she not only provided ZERO concern (more like elation) until caught but that she actively hid that the kid was missing for weeks before and after being caught in lies. And was impedeing an investigation over the missing child. CAPTA, which Florida takes part in, inspired laws that define mandatory reporting and criminal neglect when not reporting it leads to harm.....wanna bet death by either the defense's drowning claim or the prosecution's asphixiation & anesthetics claim is covered as harm?
But of course you're an apologist again only making it into Casey "not show a certain level of concern when your child is missing". What an understatement.
Sure - but it sure does put an enormous blinking light-up sign above her head that says MURDERER. I mean really now?
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I mean really now guy... really? really.... what about that can be contrued as anything other than guilty behaviour?
All of that evidence screams guilty, and don't forget all the research about a drug that can conveniently be used to sedate a person, especially a small annoying child.
And this is why you would - suitably - never be allowed to serve on a jury in the United States.
And Fishmail - My responses to you are from the viewpoint of someone concerned with the fairness of the justice system. If we allow mob mentality into the justice system, everything falls apart. Consider this quote from Voltaire: "It is better to risk sparing a guilty person than to condemn an innocent one."
Soupy55 you are right. They probably have a stiffy for little miss prim and proper. She should take the job the low lfe trash at vivid offered her. She would fit right in. Then all of her admirers could see it all and have a whacking good time.
"And Fishmail - My responses to you are from the viewpoint of someone concerned with the fairness of the justice system."
And my responses were calling out the injustice to the child - that her mom did worse than not call for help but covered up whatever happened and that impediment to the investigation and non reporting it - that was arguably criminal, wasn't argued or charged effectively, and was botched by the DA going for all or nothing charges.
"If we allow mob mentality into the justice system, everything falls apart."
I agree but why leap to citing mob rule to me in our debate? I didn't call for any pitchforks or torches when calling out your apologist statements as just that.
"Consider this quote from Voltaire: "It is better to risk sparing a guilty person than to condemn an innocent one.""
Am well aware of that famous quote (Franklin, Voltare ,et al) and it is a good rule of society and jurisprudence HOWEVER don't let quips like that be any excuse for what happened and the overly optimistic charges made on a guilty person not convicted of that...one just guilty of things not charged and certainly not defended. You might consider Horace's caution that “Acquittal of the guilty damns the judge(s)” and more recently MLK's admonishment that “One who condones evils is just as guilty as the one who perpetrates it”. That there was perjury involved in defense testimony makes this disturbing at best. That and legal parental criminality what some of us are arguing....to bring up "mob rule" in such debate is throwing in a red herring as again I never called for any mob like actions. You claim your responses to me are "from the viewpoint of someone concerned with the fairness of the justice system". Well mine are in observation of the INjustice to the kid tossed out and lied about by her mother like she was rid of some unimportant disposable garbage. That's not a lousy mother - it's a monster. Was "justice" really served or was a court-room play - played out despite justice for the real victim. That's where many feel there was a gross failure to justice.
As to those saying she did not report her child missing..
Where was DHS during all of this? DHS takes your kid if you are guilty, innocent, whatever. They can do what the courts cannot because they fabricate reports via "professionals".
But we are completely missing the point here. The lawyers high fiveing was cool. They used the Chewbacca defense and it worked. If you are not familiar with the Chewbacca defense Southpark put it in its simplest form.
Cochran
...ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!
Gerald Broflovski
Dammit! ... He's using the Chewbacca defense!
Cochran
Why would a Wookiee, an 8-foot-tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of 2-foot-tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.
The defense is genius in this case. They managed to get this hottie off on a murder charge that 87% of America (Chicago Trib poll) say is guilty as sin. i would be high fiveing and scheduling my private time with her on July 13 after she is released to start paying her bill Monica Lewenski style.
Brooklyn, did you know, many murderers have been convicted of first degree murder with far less evidence, including never finding the body? IMO, I think the jurors were total idiots. Normal reasoning, common sense and logic should prevail over so-called reasonable doubt. I watched the entire trial and had no doubt, none so whatsoever.
An eighty percent conviction rate is the norm when they find a body that is nothing but a pile of bones and has been found after six months, with NO CAUSE OF DEATH. And, they gather circumstantial evidence, and most murder cases are, circumstantial as it is uncommon for a murder to have credible eyewitnesses. An 80% conviction rate without cause of death, and 80% of the American populace believe Casey is guilty. REgardless!
What do you call someone, with an equally limited amount if information, calling out others for something that they themselves lack?
I guess you call yourself Dean.
If you support the defense then say so. We dont need nor care to here your idiotic opinion that people that arent like minded somehow lack information.
You sir are an elitist.
Oh and I find your support for the baby killer abhorrent and I personally hope you are a Christian. Im sure your maker will appreciate your views.
"That was my first reaction to the picture of her in court as well. All during the trial, she had her hair pinned up and wore these demure little outfits so the world could see what a "good girl" she was. Now that she's been acquitted, she shows up in a skin-tight, low cut, mini-skirted outfit. Guess which one of these images is the REAL Casey Anthony?"
Take a good look at what daughters wear to school with their parents' approval which is far more skimpy, and far more revealing than what Anthony wore at the sentence hearing. Then take a good look at what the sons wear to school, also, with their parents approval of baggy torn pants hanging on the ground and rear cracks showing publically to the rest of the children. I'd call that indecent exposure that calls for an arrest. Does that make them murders or whores? Do we judge those same children or adults wearing inappropriate clothing to school or work in the same way you judged Cassey's clothing at the sentencing hearing (that appeared more decent than what many wear to school, publicly, or in the office)? Try answering those 2 questions for yourself before becoming the Judge of what Anthony wore versus the adults' acceptance of such indecent school clothing, or work office apparel.
"On the from page of MSN today, where they show a picture of her coming to court for this sentencing, she has a sweater dress type outfit, long ponytail slung over her shoulder. Now she looks like the tramp she is, ready to party, and move along.."
Now go back and look again at the video on the msnbc site (at the very bottom of this posting) that was taken at the same hearing which you are referring to:
First and most importantly: The video shows that Cassey is not wearing her hair in a pony tail slung over her shoulder as you claimed in your post.She does have a very small bun at the top of her head in the back.
Second : The v-neck in the front of Cassey's top reveals none of the skin on her bosom (as you so often see at work, in public, or in school). Some of the collar bone is about all that is seen. Nor is the top skin tight fitting as you so suggest. In fact it looks rather loose or too big since it is doubled up near her hands. All of which is certainly not risque.
Third: It is hard to say that the top was a mini dress, since to me it looked upon reviewing that it was a long shirt top over slacks or leotards, which seems to be the style these days. Also, quite common is wearing a mini dress over tighter slacks.
Just considering #'s 1 and 2, but ignoring #3, you both were so self-righteous in calling her a tramp ready to party and move along based on her hair and what she wore. Invalid facts used to justify calling her names based on what she wore is just one example of how overzealous rumors spread in the community as-well-as media speculation reporting about the circumstantial evidence in the trial. You must base the convictions on the facts and not emotions or rumors, etc., which is something that Nancy Grace simply did not understand and exactly why she got into trouble 3 times for bad behavior in the past while serving as a prosecutor. The impression was given that she could no longer serve as their prosecutor. What she is doing now as a commentator to raise the station ratings and profits is no better, and at the expense of spreading more extreme hatred and divide in our communities, which is something our Country does not need now during hard times.
Now I suggest that the both of you take a look at the video on the web site below.
People who are disgusted by the actions of others - who invest themselves emotionally in others' actions for whatever reason - tend to be disgusted by those actions because they see something similar - some similarly disgusting action - in themselves
That's not going anywhere, Dean A. Glenn. Keep the psychoanalysis to yourself. Not restoring.
Independent... take a second and get off your high horse, will ya?
What I saw is exactly what every single attorney on TV, not to mention just plain TV anchors and people I know, saw immediately; the contrast in her appearance overnight. All during the trial she was the picture of conservative dress, neatly done hair, then not guilty and voila, the different image.
Get over yourself please. I was not the first, last, or only person who was VERY surprised by her overnight change in appearance. You are taking this whole thing into your own twisted web, calling me and Vicki a variety of unpleasant things, and in the end, we ALL saw the contrast, we ALL meaning anyone with an IQ over 78..... Her demeanor did a 360.
We are not talking in the least little bit about what teens/young people wear every day. We are not talking about the way people dress, or don't dress, on a daily basis. I was talking about this sudden swing in her entire appearance, from the image she tried to create as the "puritanical mom" to the one the day after the verdict.
If you don't think for one second her lawyers told her EXACTLY how to dress, behave, look, and do her hair throughout the trial to create an image, a false one at that in my mind, you're living in fantasy land.
Casey Anthony walked. It bothers many of us, but that must be the end of it. It's over and she cannot be re-tried. However, there is something that should have come out of this case that I have not seen in a single one of the thousands of posts on this issue.
The ONLY reason we ever knew about the murder of Caylee was because Anthony's mother pressed her repeatedly as to her whereabouts. Even then, a month passed before authorities were notified.
Consider this. Had Casey Anthony simply moved away from her parent's house, no one - not a soul - would have suspected there might be a problem. No one would have known there was ever a little girl named Caylee. She would simply have ceased to exist.
Ponder this for only a moment. Can you really imagine this has not occurred before? The horrifying truth is that while this is probably not an everyday occurrence, it would be foolish to imagine what happened to Caylee Anthony is an isolated instance.
Agreed, shel, and if people would spend HALF the energy they waste hating Casey and filling their brains with violent and disgustring thoughts, and channel it into helping the thousands of other needy children in this country, we would all live in a better world.
HLN said they intentionally search the country for news of this nature that can "stir" the emotions in people, for "ratings".
They said the most likely next case will be Michael Jackson's doctor.
The tragedy here is it's all about the "court of public opinion" and not the Constitution and Law.
Plato said "Democracy turns into anarchy, with mob rule". This is the real tragedy of the Anthony trial.
American Citizens are thumbing their noses at the "Constitutional System of Trial By Jury"
Let's hope no one here is ever put in the position where they need a JURY to decided their FATE based on the COURT OF PUBLIC OPINIONS and Circumstantial Evidence!
Throwing the book at Casey was also precipitated by the reaction of the people from the not Guilty verdict.
Casey will probably be out in 6 months or less and with out PROBATION or some legal authority looking over her shoulder. No "pee" tests or reporting to a Probation Officer and she will be able to LEAVE the STATE.
Maybe the judge did her a bigger favor in his sentencing today!
The only way Casey, the lawyers and the jurors will get rich from this is if the buying public run out and buys the books and pay to see the movie. And the sad things about it, is that with all the disgust and anger the public feels right now that is exactly what will happen. It is a sad state when the public makes crime pay. And because of the publics short memory, they will forget the anger and disgust and make everyone involved a very rich person. And everyone that reads my comments know that what I say is horrible and painful truth.
If there ever was a case of FAILED prosecution, this was one. Over 400 pieces of evidence presented to the judge & jury and they could not present burden of proof. Blame the prosecution if you want to blame anybody, this was the worst effort ever. Young trial lawyers and law students take note...this is what NOT to do!
That was an idiotic thing to say! There's stories about black families all over the news! Who cares if it's a black child or a white child? YOU are a racist to say something like that!
People have been convicted with circumstantial evidence everyday to say you can't convict is ludicrous. The fact she put her into a trash bag and dumped her like a load of garbage seems like child abuse to me
I don't think it's a racial issue but a gender issue. The juror said we can't convict Casey because we think she look like she did, but in the same breath said the father look like he did something. If this was Caylee's father on trial I think the jurors would have convicted him. Society can't fathom a woman being capable of murder or molestation, but we can see a man doing this. Also, I think society has a hard time putting a woman to death.
Calling Shel an idiot and "racist" because you didn't agree is tasteless. I happen to agree with Shel. If the accused or the victim is a young, pretty, white woman, we get these media circuses. I cannot think of a single case involving a non-celibrity that recieved this level of attention without a pretty white woman involved somehow.
David, They found a way to sue O.J. in civil court, and much less evidence is required in civil court. I don't envy the sociopath; she will live a life of constantly looking over her shoulder and watching shadows move through the night, right?
This is the sickest result to happen next to freeing Oj Simpson! How can our Justice system be that pothetic to free a woman who absolutely murdered her child and call that justice, that is why our justice system is the worst in the world should of sent her to Russia
Can you really imagine this has not occurred before?
Even before this I've been convinced that much wiser heads have done a great job of getting away with murder. Only the truly careless, stupid or unlucky ones get caught. Even then it's not guaranteed they'll serve time. But yeah. I'm sure there are plenty of killers out there who'll never be uncovered because they hid it better.
I think you hit the nail on the head there. My brother said at the beginning of all this that she'd walk because she is a young, moderately attractive female. Someone on one of the other threads pointed out that there have only been 2 women executed in FL in recent history and most of those sentenced to death are re sentenced to life w/o possibility of parole. I do believe is it a lot harder for a jury to sentence a woman, and a young one at that, to death. Maybe it's hard to believe that a mother would do such a thing to their child. Who knows...
bologna sanwhich take that racists pointing finger and scratch your ass with it. People have a right to like and dislike whoever they want. That's their business.
Maybe it's hard to believe that a mother would do such a thing to their child. Who knows...
It`s that antebellum southern mentality that still permeates the southern culture.
"i do declare good sir I would neva harmmm my baby"
" you are a fineee upstanding southern belle and I have no doubt that a delicate flower such as yourself would neva do such a damn scoundrel thing as to harmmm your baby.'
'"indeed good sir! and thank you, may I go now?"
'"you may depart now, dinna will be at my house at 6 sharp, do be ontime my dear"
LMAO @ race. While we are talking about race how is that guy that got stabbed by that Mob action up on Halsted during the 4th I wonder. Good shot of it on You Tube just search for Halsted Boystown stabbing. Just like when you throw a banana in the monkey house and one monkey gets it and 50 other monkeys clobber him. I digress....
I wonder what really happened in this case. Oh to be a fly on the wall and see what really went down.
@stayoutamine-perhaps you should stayoutamine-i like nb. we have been on the same page, so to speak. it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. btw, i'm from texas not florida nb. we see justice a little differently there :-)
This is a thread where we have no knowledge of who knows whom. Maybe, just maybe, if you want people to "stayoutayours" perhaps you should denote that you are only joking around on your post, other wise get used to people telling you to to loosen up a bit.
On a much lighter note, I ain't got no problem with Texas justice and only wish others sought justice the same way Texas does. Lived there when I was young and I understand the saying "don't mess with Texas" is not just a euphemism.
@stay-you should lighten up with a name like stayoutamine, replying to a remark not made to you, expect some jabbing. also, i would expect when someone says they are "dang smart", they wouldn't have to denote with an lol.... you cool now?
now, on a lighter note-don't mess with texas and don't throw your trash on the highway yall ;-)
@cc-"likely in the lead"? do the research on that unsubstantiated comment and get back with me. Texas is a BIG state so be sure to take that into account.
Likely doesn't mean certainly, and indicates that it was an unsubstantiated comment. It was based on my recollection over the last couple years of how many innocent people have been set free in Dallas. But thanks for pointing that out and making me go through the trouble of Googling it, I was feeling lazy, you know. If you believe the media, Texas is #3. But that may only be because not all states require that evidence be held for so long. I wasn't saying anything against Texas, I think Texas is one of the best and (contrary to popular belief in my neck of the woods) brightest states - oh, and I'll acknowledge that it is indeed "BIG".
I just hope I never get put in a position where I have to judge someone without sufficient evidence being presented by the prosecution. If I'm not comfortable with it, I'm not going to say "guilty" just because there's a drama-queen lynch mob waiting outside the courthouse and on the interweb screaming"It's so obvious" - based on what they've seen on TV and read in the newspapers.
She's probably guilty. How's that for an unsubstantiated comment? I don't assume to know what I can't prove, hence the "probably".
@cc-well, thank you for the research." if you believe the media", then casey is guilty as well, right? oh well, lets not quibble. btw, i think the jury got it wrong but i don't think it was entirely their fault. from the comments of one of the jurors, the instructions they were given were either stupid or not clearly understood. anyway, its done. and i don't have any friends in that lynch mob just to be clear..lol.
It`s that antebellum southern mentality that still permeates the southern culture.
"i do declare good sir I would neva harmmm my baby"
" you are a fineee upstanding southern belle and I have no doubt that a delicate flower such as yourself would neva do such a damn scoundrel thing as to harmmm your baby.'
'"indeed good sir! and thank you, may I go now?"
'"you may depart now, dinna will be at my house at 6 sharp, do be ontime my dear"
" *giggle*giggle*giggle* thank you good sir"
You have GOT to be kidding me! I think someone has watched Gone With the Wind too many times. I am originally from Mississippi though I have lived away from the south for a long time. If you think people still act like "southern belles" you seriously need to fast-forward your reality. The south is certainly not perfect and needs to grow in certain ways, in my opinion; but it has changed quite a bit just since the Civil Rights Movement in the 60's. (I never said it was perfect! It still needs more change, definitely.) One of my grandmothers was a college professor in the 1970's in Mississippi. The other strongly supported civil rights against her friends. I remember her once taking action when some African Americans were denied entry to somewhere-she marched to the back of the building and personally escorted the black family to some seats while everyone else stared at her. Not exactly what I would call typical "southern belles." If every woman had acted like a "southern belle," the Civil Rights movement would have never succeeded.
Besides, aren't you forgetting a huge part of southern culture? What about African American culture? We had a housekeeper who was like a surrogate mother to me. I doubt I would have survived my childhood without her, in fact. She told me that before she worked for us she worked in the cotton fields. Kids in high school when I was there, white kids, also worked in the cotton fields in the summers, chopping cotton (chopping weeds in the cotton fields). Some were girls, though my dad only let boys do it on his farm. (Of course the high school kids were likely going to get off the farm one day unless they returned as farmers, unlike the regular farm workers, unfortunately.) Years after our housekeeper retired we still visited her every Christmas even though she lived far away-we made sure to fit it in when we visited family in the area. We only stopped after she passed away. Do you not think African Americans contributed tremendously to southern culture (ie, it's far more than just "southern belle" culture)? If not, then you must not have ever listened to blues music. Not to mention jazz and much, much more. And what about Native American culture? The area where I'm from is full of mounds built by Native Americans that vanished years ago. The Choctaws and Chicasaws remain. Southern belles, my foot! Like the rest of us, you have no idea of the makeup of the jury. And can you see a "southern belle" chopping cotton like some of my friends did?
Seen too Much: You, to me, sound like a TYPICAL Southern Belle! My 'Mammy' was my surrogate mother. My Grandmother championed civil rights! I'm so 'DOWN, Dudes with Native Americans'. I LOVE jazz! "Some of my friends' chopped cotton".
Did YOU have to stripe those pretty hands by chopping cotton yourself?
Now, I understand your issues about "Southern Belles" but what have YOU had to do to earn your living (Your friends aside, I have lots of Jewish friends, but I never had to live through the Holocaust).
Now, I'm not intending to insult you, but I'm 53 years old, and I LIVED through the Civil rights era, the time of the Black Panthers, and Patty Hearst and her "Symbionese Liberation Army". In 1965, my Mom and I took a two week train trip to upstate New York to see her family. In New Mexico, My Mom made friends with a Black woman, with a son who was 8, as was I. He had a very pretty older sister who was 10. We became fast friends, as did our mothers, and our mom's corresponded for many years. So.. Should I be proud because My MOTHER was a kind person, as was their mom? No, I was just a kid, unaware of "social currents" and just happened to make friends with two kids near my age while traveling.
Do You get it? I am not proud, NOR ashamed about making friends with black kids ( I know now that the socially conscious say African Americans, but in 1965, they chose to call Themselves Black.. Like I was White). To me, You sound prideful that you're such an open accepting and loving person.. If I am wrong, I most HUMBLY apologize for misunderstanding you. Please forgive me if I'm wrong. It just sounded to me like you were being a bit condescending, as only one who considers themselves superior can be.
i agree with some of what both of you had to say. actually, there are women from the south who are very proud to be "southern belles". (i brought up that term to tease nb) they just aren't scarlet o'haras! it has nothing to do with pre-civil war area south, but pride in where they come from. there are many wonderful southern traditions that all people from the south, black and white want to keep alive. one of which is good manners which we could use more of these days. if anyone thinks being a southern belle these days means being racist, they are very wrong.
besides, i don't know how we went from n.b.'s comments making fun of the jury to chopping cotton. i guess its all in what you take from what someone has to say.
Di, all I can say is you have no idea what I went through and therefore have no right to judge me. My statement that I doubted I would have survived my childhood without our housekeeper should give you a hint; however, no doubt if I attempted to tell you you would say I was bragging about it-so let's just let it lie.
I wasn`t trying to be racist or imply that southern women are stupid.
Actually my comment was meant more to poke fun at how a lot of men are suckers for a pretty face and the damsel in distress act.
I think casey fooled a lot of people, including her defense team and the jurors, with her story about "daddy molested me" and forced me to cover up an accidental drowning. She gained a lot of sympathy from a lot of suckers by playing the damsel in distress.
I have a lot of respect for people from that era, those were dangerous and difficult times to live in but they had a very strong sense of personal honor,honesty and integrity,if people today had even 1/10th of that sense of personal honor,honesty and integrity the world would be a better place and We wouldn`t have lawyers engaging in drunken celebrations to celebrate a mother killing her child getting away with it.
Seen too much: As I said before, I did not mean to insult if I may have misunderstood. To me, it seems I obviously did. I humbly apologize. I am sorry for whatever happened in your life I don't know about. Kindly, with typical Southern Generosity, Forgive me. Di
@dis....lol...you are making friends over here now I see! <being humorous>
Loved your logic on the use of "dang"
@NBF... another "fineee" example of your ever sparkling wit! Loved the dialog and the rabble rousing you do at times.
You make a good point about people not always seeing the person for who they are because of their appearance. (I won't say men only because women do it as well)
thanks nb- i didn't think you meant to be offensive. as i said, i was just teasing..lol. i think some people from the south are sensitive to the stereotype that the slow drawl makes them sound dumb. funny, i had an experience with a friend working with a client from the south. she was from the midwest and not used to the way "we" talk. she told me this story. she said to a co-worker-"well, from the sound of him, he's no rocket scientist". the co-worker who knew the guy well said "well, actually he IS a rocket scientist"..haha..lesson learned for my friend.
Makes me sick! She murdered her child and will be a millionaire before the end of the day today. This is what our country is coming to. Absolutely pathetic.
Well, Rob Rich, it sounds as though you should have been charged as an accomplice to Ms. Anthony!! You obviously have personal knowledge as to what happened to the child, meaning you obviously were present when the child died. Since you weren't called to the stand as a witness against Ms. Anthony, and since you did not give testimony regarding the murder of the child by Ms. Anthony, I have to conclude you never reported the event - what you witnessed and what you know - to the proper authorities. And by failing to do that, you have aided and abetted Ms. Anthony, and have thus been an accomplice to the crime. I will ask the DA to prepare the indictment against you immediately.
Otherwise, you're just running your mouth about something you know nothing about and breaking the law in doing so. Your statement is libelous and slanderous, and I hope Ms. Anthony makes a million dollars suing you and others who insist on publishing unbased, untrue and defamatory comments about her.
Dean, the load catcher is not reading the vine and will not call you unless you have dough. Stop sucking up to this scumbag, she will not call you. I hope her father and brother sue her and Baez for making false accusations of molestation in a court of law. And before you ask me if I have special knowledge of it not happening, prove to me it did happen suck up
She'll only be rich if we allow it. Don't buy books or see movies. That won't help her.
After seeing her parents show zero emotion and then get up and leave after the verdict, I wonder what happens today. Does Casey just go back to her parents house or do they meet her at the front door with a suitcase and a wave goodbye? Casey did accuse her father of terrible things (and there's zero proof) so does he let her back in?
I wouldn't be surprised to see her parents file a wrongful death suit against her. I believe they could win. They could stop any money she'd get.
Soupy55 - your ignorance and stupidity are magnanimous - I don't "suck up" to anyONE for any reason whatsoever. Obviously, you think everyone is available for a price - probably because you are. I'm quite certain, based on the intellect you exhibit by your comments, the demand for you works with the supply of you in such a manner as to ensure you are available at the lowest possible price, and to the largest number of buyers. Too bad you haven't a chance in hell of changing that reality...
Makes me sick! She murdered her child and will be a millionaire before the end of the day today. This is what our country is coming to. Absolutely pathetic.
What a great country America. You put someone on trial with flimsy evidence and you lose. Now you're pissed at the defendent? She spent 3 years in jail on trumped up evidence and you're pissed.
If you think you can do better then by all means go down there and run against the DA for their job.
Show them the evidence they missed. Show them how Calyee was murdered, who did it, what they did it with, and why they did it...and remember it must be provable beyond a reasonable doubt.
The mob rules seem to becoming more and more common here in the US but it's still not the Constitutional way we convict and punish for crimes.
I agree. Innocent or guilty, we do promote villianous type personalities over good. Toby Keith nailed it in his country song American Ride. We are giving her credit (either way) for covering up a death and without doubt . . neglect. Manslaughter should have still been considered either way. We imprision drunk drivers for it constantly and they do not make the news or get contracts for books, movies, etc. Our values and rewards system has really crapped out. No wonder other countries find us obnoxious. We have great citizens in our country but because we do not sensationalize them, this is the image we project to the world.
Dean and JW - why don't you 2 get a hotel room and invite the load catcher over for a 3 some. I think the 3 of you would enjoy that. Dean, I do think you protest to much about sucking up. Just ask JW, he knows all about sucking up. Magnanimous, really Dean, I think you may be out of your element using words like this.
Definition of MAGNANIMOUS
1: showing or suggesting a lofty and courageous spirit
2: showing or suggesting nobility of feeling and generosity of mind
Thank you Dean, you blithering idiot, I will take that as a compliment from a complete moron
RN - Circumstantial evidence is just that circumstantial. For example, lets say you walk into a starbucks. Circumstantial evidence says that you ordered a coffee, yet the facts may actually show you ordered a cup of tea. You just can't convict on circumstantial, you need to build a preponderance of that evidence, which the prosecution failed to do.
like it or not people, our justice system works. Do I think she did it, probably. But if you can't prove it, then you have to let them go. And fortunately the justice system doesn't let the media try the cases for them, because they had Casey tried convicted and hung before the case even started.
you people who feel sick over this is ridiculious, how do u know she done it?.maybe she really didn't do it.just because she partyied and lied does not necisserely mean she did it..it could have been someone close to her.and yea maybe she even knows who?.but maybe is scared to say.. seems to me there is alot of covering up going on..maybe she is guilty of covering up a murder after the fact..but prosecuters did not prove thier case..either way..it's god who judges in the end... and the person who did it and god only knows..they will be accordinly judged in the end...
I'd like to know why RN keeps making this political. RN...you keep basing the "liberals"..do you know the jurors? Do you know the prosecution? Do you know the defense? Quit with the politics, please!
Makes me sick! She murdered her child and will be a millionaire before the end of the day today. This is what our country is coming to. Absolutely pathetic.
Then leave, Rob. I'm sure you can easily find a country, especially in the middle east, where the judicial process accepts "I just KNOW she's guilty".
A jury of us found her not guilty. Accept it and move the f*ck on.
RN: Leave politics out of this. The "liberal" comment suggests that you belong to that spewing hateful bunch called conservatives. Go look to Rush, Palin, or Bachman for your paradigm of hope.
Rob doesn't have to leave. Just by reading the comments above, this country accepts "I just KNOW she's guilty". There are cases that are tried all of the time that end up with defendants being found not guilty based on the way the prosecutors office presents their case. Proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt gets convictions. Emotion cannot be the deciding factor.
Circumstantial evidence is evidence, and if there is a preponderance of that evidence, that may leave doubt, but not enough to fail to convict.
It's the Civil Court that accepts the preponderance of evidence not criminal court. Criminal court insists on beyond reasonable doubt. Because a preponderance leaves reasonable doubt, it is not enough to convict of a crime.
I think where this case was tried had a lot to do with it just like the OJ trial (the first one). The systems in Florida and Cali as actually set to allow a lot of"rough" things to happen before a law is actually broke. Now if this happened in IL I guarantee she is behind bars for murder. This is due solely to the natives here have an IQ approximately 104 points below the average IQ....yes that is below 0 IQ. Yes it would require you to be dead to have less than 0 IQ. Yes dead people vote and stand jury duty in Chicago. Once Cali and FL learn how this stuff is really done then we will be MUCH better off.
The jury did not have enough doubt to fail to convict, but were convinced in their simple minds by the defense
No offense, RN, but are you saying you can read minds? You know exactly how much doubt they had?
Why automatically label something you dislike or disapprove of as the opposing political side? It really weakens your argument, especially since this had nothing to do with politics.
I'm certainly not saying Casey is innocent, but how can even people who claim they watched the whole trial be certain they saw every second of it? Maybe you saw only what the media wanted you to see. Also, none of you know what instructions were given to the jury. And you know that every single thing you saw was endlessly commented on by the media. The jury was completely shielded from the media and may not have known some of the things the media brought out. For all of you, your perspective on the evidence and the trial was not the same as that of the jurors! YOU were constantly bombarded by media and their opinions and analysis. You can hardly claim you were not affected. THEY were not, and in fact were not exposed to ANY of that. ALL they saw was what was shown them in court-that's it. No opinions other than the lawyers and witnesses, no analysis other than the lawyers and witnesses. Surely you can see the difference. For all of you screaming about logic, common sense, and people with simple minds-at least look at this reality.
RN in Philly, you always present intelligent posts. Therein is the problem. The root word of reasonable is reason, based upon common sense and logic. In my opinion, the prosecution presented a far more reasonable case than the defense that presented nothing that proved Casey was innocent -- even though, they didn't have to legally.
Most murder cases are circumstantial as few murder cases have eyewitnesses that can corroborate the crime. Even then, witnesses view incidents and evidence differently, and many witnesses are also not credible. Many murder convictions have resulted from not even having a body to convict, and 80 percent of murder convictions result from mere skeletal remains without CAUSE OF DEATH, which are very applicable in this case. 80% of all Americans believe Casey is guilty of murder, the same percentage of murder convictions with less evidence than this case. This concludes with 80% of every American thinking and concluding vastly differently than this jury. Only 20% of all Americans fail this IQ test of being utterly un reasoning and utterly idiots.
The judge should sentence her to more time for the charge she was found guilty of and she should be with the general prison population. They'll see that justice is served.
I have already thought that if she actually got to prison...she would not want to be found in the shower stalls. Everyone has heard how bad life can be for someone who has harmed a child in prison...but women can be more brutal. I hope that she will always be looking over her shoulder and not have peace.
Yes, in general, those who have killed or molested children fare poorly in prison, and yes, women are more likely to be abused in prison than men. However, women who harm children are typically not vilified in prison because a large percent of the violent inmates are in there for child abuse, neglect or murder. Unfortunately, she would just be another inmate in gen. pop. It would be much worse for her personally to be held in solitary where she is not able to be the center of attention.
The judge should sentence her to more time for the charge she was found guilty of and she should be with the general prison population. They'll see that justice is served.
She got the maximum sentence possible for the crimes she was convicted of. As for wanting her to be killed, why? Over 4 misdemeanors?
lol i have to say this is funny (totally true) and i agree but funny! I think they should put her in a room full of moms (not women who have kids and murder them or harm them but MOMS) Lets us give Caylee justice :)
The jury SHOULD HAVE found her GUILTY of Charge #2 - AGGRAVATED CHILD ABUSE
How could they NOT ?? She did not report a TODDLER missing for 31 days ??? She did nothing BUT lie, deceive and evade her family and law enforcement ... she hindered the investigation and the recovery of Caylee's body with her lies and deception.
How could this half-witted jury NOT find her guilty of AT LEAST the child abuse charge ?? Their verdict is truly mind-boggling ...
This is a petition to have the law changed regarding the time a parent has to report their child missing. It is getting congressional attention. It is after the fact in this case, but at least it could prevent another Casey from murdering their child and hiding it.
Hun laws have a burden of proof attached to them. Did you know that if you pushed a guy down with your hands to his chest that is a felony sexual assault? It is because it meets the criteria of the law. We might not see it as so but the law is the law.
With no established cause of death there is no way you could pin murder or child abuse on her. The prosecutor KNEW this and still went forward trying to make a name for herself.
I am personally appalled she got the max on her 4 charges. I hope she appeals them, gets time reduced in the appeals process, and the state has to pay her for false incarceration or something to that tune. I see monkies here in Chicago robbing, killing, and mobbing .... when they are arrested they get a suspended sentence and are let roll again.
No doubt, books will be written, profits will be made & she will become wealthy. Her jet set party lifestyle will end though. The ridicule and the hecklers will force her to live a life in seclusion. Too bad, at least in prison she would of had company.
Baez's kid, 'Daddy, what did you do today?' 'Well munchkin, daddy got off a murderous, thieving, lying POS, sorry I mean a kind hearted, intelligent young woman and guess what? Just as soon as we get rid of mommy, ummm drown her in the pool, oh sorry, what I MEANT to say was, just as soon as Casey can make mommy take a dirt nap, err NAP, Casey said the three of us can have a great big party and write a book, would you like that, apple of my eye?'
What' the mattter Sandie & soupy55, you don't like the US justice system. Well I suggest you try to come up with a better one. Guess what, there isn't one.
The prosecution could not prove its case, I imagine that if there had been any evidence, they would have tried Mickey Mouse for this. That's the problem when you rush to judgement have the media whip the public into a frenzy, the media usually fails to deal with facts. I guess CNN decided that the ratings were too good to have to deal with facts. Well, I imagine Nancy Grace will have to deal with the fact that she was wrong, Casey Anthony was not proven to have killed Callee Anthony.
Actually people can have any opinion they want, if they're living in the USA.Casey won't serve time for the crime but the public's entitled to believe what they want - about her or Michael Jackson or Robert Blake or Lindsay Lohan or anyone they like. We don't have thought police in the US.
She can move to Chicago and shack with me. We will go do shots every night and I have NO issues with a lil girl on girl.
Wlee
It has nothing to do with what people believe...it is what you can prove. You can believe there are martians forging your signature on your checks and bouncing your account. If you don't have a photo it didn't happen. Same principal. I personally believe 9/11 was an inside job. I can provide as many demolition specialists that will attest it appears that way to them also. I am a conspiracy theorist because I do not have the smoking gun. Just how the world works bro.
Don't let it get you down. Far worse and nefarious things occurring in the country ...in DC...than this.
Look , more than 50% of the public believe that the world was created in exactly six days roughly 5000 years ago. A whole load more sit in churches every Sunday just telling themselves over and over that a little piece of bread is really God and that there is something more than its atomic structure that defines what it is. And they all like to burn witches.
Evaluating EVIDENCE is not really an option with the American public. They wouldn't recognize evidence if it bit them in the xxxx. This is why I was so surprised by this jury decision.
David, I know lots of people in several churches; but no one I know wants to burn a single witch! When was the last witch burning you heard about in the US? How often do you hear churches literally cry for witch burnings? Give me a break! The churches I know are busy helping the homeless, visiting people in jail, helping with food banks, partnering with disaster relief, and the like.
Perhaps you haven't spoken to enough people. Try a few more right wing Conservatives. Try Pat Robertson for example. He has mellowed somewhat since he actually met some people on death row, but he still believes that certain moral violations should carry the death penalty, although he admits that it would not be right to enforce it. There was an interesting discussion recently between Justice Scalia and the Pope and US bishops, where Scalia claimed that his pro Capital Punishment position was actually consistent with Catholic tradition, and it was the Pope who was out of line, and in a sense this was true. As regards burning witches, fortunately the rule of law has stepped in in this country to prevent that happening, but it was eventually the secular authorities that stepped in to stop the religious nuts spreading the Salem witch trials round the rest of the country. They were on a roll.
I certainly don't disagree with you that there are many wonderful religious people as there are also many wonderful atheists and humanists who enjoy helping others, but the churches probably deserve a lot of credit in that area. But I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. People can belive that the moon is made of blue cheese and still be nice to other people. Holy cow, the Pope only just acknowledged that the Church was wrong to imprison Galileo!!!
In reality, I really do believe there are a lot of positive things in religion, but I could reconcile myself better to it if religious people changed their attitude a bit and viewed their religion as God giving them a mandate as how to live their lives as opposed to God giving them a mandate to tell other people how to live their lives.
If you think Pat Robertson speaks for "all" churches, you don't know much about church or even "right wing conservatives." If you have to go all the way back to the Salem Witch Trials to defend your statement that "all" people in the churches want to burn witches, then I'd say you have a pretty weak argument. I'm not in any way justifying what was done, but things have changed a lot in the CENTURIES since then. It appears that you are equating support for the death penalty with "burning witches" which is disingenious at best, especially since apparently the so called witches were not supposed to be guilty of an actual crime. So don't be ridiculous. And only Catholic churches (perhaps a few others) recognize the Pope as an authority. That leaves many that don't.
There are many things for which you can legitimately accuse the church-some you mentioned. You don't need to get inflammatory about it.
I certainly don't disagree with you that there are many wonderful religious people as there are also many wonderful atheists and humanists who enjoy helping others, but the churches probably deserve a lot of credit in that area. But I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
My point was that the churches I knew were too busy helping people to take the time to call for witch burnings, even if they wanted to do so. And I assure you they don't. Right Wing Conservatives do not equal "people sitting in church." Not all conservatives even go to church, and not everyone who goes to church is conservative. We have had good friends in church who were staunch democrats. I certainly don't consider myself "right wing conservative"-in fact, I cringe at the words; but I go to church. I have a relative who is a faithful church member who has a sign in her house that reads, "The Christian RIght is neither." (I'm not sure exactly what the "Christian Right" is and I don't feel qualified to judge who is a Christian or not, so I can't comment on the sign itself.)
You do realize that there are tons of African American, Korean, Hispanic and other churches that may not fit your stereoype, don't you? Do they not count? Do you think President Obama's church in Chicago fit your stereotype or still does? Do those people not count as a church? And what about the President himself? Do you think he is lying when he says he is a Christian? Does he not count in your estimation of the church? Give me a break! You spoke about American people having trouble evaluating evidence. What about you?
Those making death threats are no better than the people they are threatening. Can't understand why they would threaten Goeroge and Cindy in the first place..neither were on trial or considered suspects. That family will always remain fractured...the defense's use of some of those accusations, completely unfounded accusations as well, will always hang over that family's head.
I agree..Casey should probably leave Florida never to return but I can't see her getting an overly warm welcome in too many other places. Baez is right about one thing anyway...she is probably in danger upon her release. Emotions are still riding very high, especially in Florida, and even if she is released in a secret location out of the way of the public eye, it won't be long before some reporter manages to ferret out her location.
I didn't agree with the verdict but as was already said, it's done. Casey is only what, 25 now...her life is effectively over before it has really begun. It may be worse for her to try to live out her life in a society that, at least right now, has no intention of helping her to "heal" (as Baez put it) and instead may try to make her life more complicated. I have comments about Baez that I won't mention here...wrong place.
No, she will be far from free when she finally walks away from prison.
Far too many people have been caught up in the media attention and have become emotionally invested in Casey Anthony and her crimes. Yes, there are crimes and they aren't just the ones she was found guilty of. They include the murder of her child and who knows what else.
But, it's over. A jury found her not guilty. It's time to move on & forward. This is not the last you'll hear of Casey. Karma is waiting for her and at some point will catch up to her.
.her life is effectively over before it has really begun.
Oh, you're right. There is no place that she can go where someone won't know her or resent her for what has happened. There will no job for her; there will be people talking behind her back, whispering and pointing. She'll have few friends.
I believe in karma too...she'll get hers at some point.
You are correct. This case has been a ratings bonanza for the media. They may not create the stories but they damn sure profit from them, and now they (Media outlets) are milking the outcome for all they can.
bepatient...would you prefer if the country didn't have any laws? You are advocating violence, possibly murder here which last I looked is still illegal. If people do take action on this they are still subject to the laws which means they would be tried and convicted since "I think she killed her child and she wasn't convicted" excuse probably wouldn't work as a defense. It wouldn't change the outcome except Casey Anthony would still be out, and now a vicitm, while the person who tried to harm her would be in jail....yep..makes sense to me.
Dean, chill out ,these are just people's opinions just like yours,so because someone disagrees with yours it makes them stupid? It's all in the way people look at the evidence. Some people insisted it smelled like death in the trunk and two cadaver dogs also hit on the trunk, still others said they didn't smell anything which do you believe?
That is incorrect ... actually the Prosecution sought to have at least 4 people struck from the jury ... but the judge denied it. Both sides were NOT in agreement on all the jurors.
EVERY law person that looks at this case agrees there was NO motive in this case. Saying "she wanted to get back to partying and could not do it with a rug rat" without proof of such is just silly. She was parting just fine the whole time form her facebook posts. The prosecution was clown shoes and the defense did not have to say a word...because the prosecution did not prove motive..it is that simple.
Disagreeing on the jurors and having a legit reason to disagree are two different things. If I was up for murder I would want the following:
1. No African Americans
2. LOTS of women 41-55 yrs old
3. Middle class and white collar people
etc etc...I can disagree and say I do not approve of juror # 43 because they are...BLACK...that does not get you very far. The judge gets to call BS on the rejection of jurors.
Why has there been so much interest in this case anyway? There are over 300,000,000 people in this country, and murders happen every day. Each one of these murders lead to a murder investigation and usually a murder trial. Of those cases, I am sure a lot of them are children. So, what made this case special enough to have caused the intense public interest?
I bet you $5 that if Casey Anthony were black, it would have gotten 5 minutes of local news coverage in Florida, no one would have cared, and she would already be convicted and on death row - guilty or not.
It was probably the convoluted twists and turns in the story. You have a child who has been missing for over a month before it is reported and then it isn't even the mother. The mother comes up with a stupid story about a kidnapping and "I was trying to find her myself" type excuse. Then enter the smell of human decomposition story in the trunk of the car and finally, the remains of said child are found some 6 months later in a swamp with duct tape attached to the skull and the guy "discovering" the remains who says he notified police at least what, 4 times (?) previously and they blew him off.
Most murders are solved fairly quickly and are pretty straight forward. When society finds a case like this the ongoing mystery and more discoveries make it a media sensation. Remember the Scott Peterson case...that one had just as many mystery twists and turns which is why it was also popular in its day. Given the Anthony case in the time of social media and, well......you have a lot of people able to rapidly and/or immediately give their ideas on what happened.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with your theory about if Casey had been black, she would have been found guilty. As for why people are so fascinated with this case, again blame Casey. No sane person, no real parent would do the things she did in those 31 days before Cindy called 911. People whose barometers are working correctly knew right then that she killed Caylee. We wanted to know what could possibly be said to explain that. Then, when Caylee was found where she was (around the corner from home) AND all duct taped up, well that was just too much. People wanted to know. Yes many, many children are killed and they don't get nearly the attention this case did and that is a sin and a shame. But also I think something of a "safety mechanism" if you will. If we had to be this close to every case of a murdered child, our collective minds and spirits couldn't handle that. Just my take on it.
Okay, the system worked and worked well for Casey Anthony, but the evidence was largely circumstantial much like the Scott Peterson case as you said -- which had a drastically different outcome. I agree that Capital Murder was truly over-reaching by the prosecution, but what about involuntary manslaughter and child-abuse? That's what was truly shocking.
When you don't know where your 2yo child is for 31 days how can that not be child-abuse? Jurors are human beings, and they bring their own biases and prejudices to court with them, that's why Scott Peterson was convicted. It is a heinous crime to kill your pregnant wife, but is it any less heinous to kill a 2yo child?
Oh yeah, and the fact that Jose Baez stated Casey Anthony's child drowned in a pool under her watch, and the grandfather discovered her wasn't enough for involuntary manslaughter? Sure it was likely a lie and no proof of sex abuse or drowning was rendered, but they were willing to admit to involuntary manslaughter, clearly the jury was ignorant.
I do have to admit I was shocked that Casey was found innocent of manslaughter and felony child abuse. The murder charge, carrying death penalty specifications, was too much of a reach but the other charges were definitely viable. What was wrong with that jury?
Dollar signs obfuscating their common sense is what was wrong with them. The mighty, mighty O'Jays explained it all 30 plus years ago in a song......some people got to have it, some people really need it. Do things, do things, do things, bad things. For the love of money!
Not found innoncent found "Not Guilty". There is a difference. Anthony showed signs of being a sociopath and she will be back in the news one day for committing another crime. Sociopaths think they can out smart people and get away with things. She did not out smart most of us but she certainly did get away with murder this time. Very very sad.
yeah.... great point. A two year old dumped in a swamp in a trash bag with FRICKING DUCT TAPE over her little nose and mouth... and these 12 idiots really aren't too sure about felony child abuse !??! Like somebody else posted..." I see why they don't want to show their faces"...
Will and Sandie, thanks for playing the race card, I was wondering which liberal would bring it up. Thanks for being the first 2 idiots to do it. Can always count on a good liberal.
Get over this "black" thing. OJ Simpson was black and he got away with double homicide. As for the biological "father" in this and being able to sue? He obviously cared nothing about this child so why should he get rich off of the baby now? Brilliant.
im trying to understand where a child was murdered and that skank b*&%$ walked has anything to do with race..c'mon people gernerations after generations have passed since it matters ur race! we are all equal and that is just an excuse for people to pitty themselfs. i understand blacks were used and slaved but who many of you were alivre through that??? hmmmm! okay now days whites marry black black marry white (how ever you wanna say it) im a american ?(white) woman, so is my daughter but she has never looked twice at a white man! okay so no judgement here but really let the lack/white racial s&%# go!!
agreed, the race issue is a non issue in america now, it`s all about class warfare now the upper class elitist against the rest of us, the have`s against the have nots.
Man, I thought I was a conspiracy nut. If the prosecutor does not cover the burden of proof ...the defense has already accomplished its task. This woman should have never been put on trial for most of the charges per how Florida Law is written.
I'm black and you madam are obviously living in some bizarro world run by unicorns and fairies. I'm not in the habit of throwing pity parties either. Unlike you, I just live in the real world.
With the money she's going to make on the interviews, the movie, the book, and the centerfold pics, she will be able to change her face , change her name, and buy her own island somewhere in the south pacific.
Every human event has some degree of doubt about who, what and why. Please don't ask us to check our common sense at the door when we take on the job of juror.
There are a few undisputed facts about this case.
Casey Anthony's child, Caylee, is dead. Caylee went missing while in the care and custody of Casey. Casey gave several patently false statements about the time, place and circumstances of Caylee's disappearance. Casey never did report her child was missing to authorities. When Caylee’s grandmother finally called to report the child missing she stated that Casey's car trunk stunk like the smell of death.
These facts alone without any other piece of evidence point to Casey Anthony as being the one responsible for Caylee's death beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe not all doubt but DNA and video tape evidence is sadly lacking in this case.
Gotta love the OJ comments on other threads -- Anyone who viewed the reactions to the OJ trial in the Black sections of this benighted land knows that very large majority of the Black population rejoiced, celebrated and danced for joy at the verdict. It was seen as a Black man finally getting away with the murder of two whites to somehow even the score for their past grievances against whites. The Blacks on the OJ jury would have had parades in their honor in south LA if such a thing were remotely practical.
"If it does not fit you must acquit!" Is simply one fool telling a panel of twelve other idiots "Here's your chance to stick it to the man!"
It was because it was easier for the jurors to think Casey's father had something to do with it. If he was on trial with the same evidence, he would had fried.
Again I say that you CAN convict on circumstantial evidence - as seen in the Peterson case for crying out loud. Too much CSI - that is not the real world!
Ms. Ford needs to stop being a freakin liar like Casey, I hear that she and the rest of her immediate family will enjoy an all expense paid trip to Disneyworld courtesy of ABC. Wonder if the network will issue a statement regarding that. One of the male jurors is fielding offers in the five figure range and yet another of these "jurors" won't talk at all unless there is a monetary offer on the table. I wonder why people continue to say that this system of justice is the best in the world when obviously, "justice" can be had for a trip to Disneyworld. If this is the best system in the world, well then we need to come up with system 3.0! Isn't it bad enough the our political system is bankrupt of any morals on both sides? Now we have to have the BS going on? Justice isn't just blind anymore (if indeed, it ever was) but the very legs have been chopped off by the so-called "jurors" in this case. How is it that millions of people feel that this woman is guilty (even some who say the prosecutor did not present a strong enough case feel she killed Caylee and even some on the jury as well, if one can believe the Disney bound Ms. Ford) and these 12 people let her walk? It flies in the face of all common sense. I won't even mention decency as it appears none of these people have the faintest idea of what that is. Then you have Mason Cheney showing his redneck roots, flipping the finger. The whole defense team.....nothing but a bunch of lucky a_— clowns who celebrate their win, and by extension, Caylee's death. For their win cannot be separated from the horrible death of that baby. As for the death threats, I am sure that the Anthony's went through that when Caylee's remains were found. I am also sure the police anticipated that this could occur if Casey got off. Guess the'll have to handle it as best they can. They enabled the psycho they raised for many, many years. They knew she was a thief because she stole checks from them as well and I have NEVER known a thief who was not also a liar, and they let her get away with her BS until she finally thought she was smart enough to get away with killing a baby. Damned if she wasn't! The jokes on us but this crap ain't funny! Let them all lie in the crap they created. Please do not support any of these people in their attempts to pimp Caylee. Not the "jurors" not any of Casey's family, former boyfriends, friends and certainly not Casey, the high school dropout that caused all this mess. Somer Thompson's killer will be tried soon, I can't imagine how her mother felt hearing this verdict. I wonder if blood sucking leeches will let him off too for the chance to make some money. My guess is yes.
Jurors are usually prohibited from profiting from a trial--at least for a certain period of time. If this isn't the case in the given state--then perhaps that needs to be changed.
When jurors can expect a payday from giving an unexpected verdict in a sensational trial, we all lose out. I think that jurors should be prohibited from EVER making money off a case.
If you think this too, then it's time to call your representatives and do something about it.
Too bad some reporter wasn't able to speak with the jurors on their way out of the courthouse. If they had I suspect the following dialogue would have transpired:
Reporter: "Juror #3, what are you going to do now?"
Ms. Ford: "I'm going to Disney World!"
Quite apropos considering that's where Casey said Caylee was when she damn well knew Caylee was dead, decomposing in a swamp. Plus, it's the land of "magical thinking"!
Kinda figured Sandie, since you and Willie were the first to play the race card. Can't call me a bigot or a racist cause I'm black too. I'll settle for Uncle Tom
I don't know the rules regarding juror exposure to the news regarding their case, but I suspect the jurors in this case were probably not aware of the extent of the media frenzy until after it was over.
@soupy55, they way you keep accusing people of being racist makes me suspect you have issues of your own. It seems that whenever someone mentions the possiblity that a black suspect or black child victim would have been treated differently, you jump in with race-baiting comments. Is it racist to state the belief that a black woman might have been treated differently, or a statement that our nation still has a ways to go regarding race equality?
Soupy..lol...you are great. I want to be black now so I can talk shat about negroids and not be called a racist..that is a sweeet gig you guys got lol.
I digress
A lot of hate here over an innocent verdict. You got half the country out of work, Your POTUS giving billions away to multiple countries, and you are outraged at this to the point of threatening an innocent lady.
First, she was convicted of lying to the police because there was direct proof of that. Didn't matter that she was found not guilty on the rest. She still lied to the police and there was direct proof of that. Second, don't mistake consious (sp?) with intelligence. Sociopaths tend to be very intelligent. Third, common sense does not win a conviction. Proof does. It ísn't Guilty or Innocent, it is guilty or not guilty, or it is proven or not proven.
Ms. Ford may have gotten a trip to Disneyland, but she also said that they wanted to find her guilty, they all did BUT, there were too many questions. Who did it, how it was done, was it an accident, where did it happen, etc....she said that you cannot connect the proven events with question marks and that if there is one shred of doubt, you cannot convict. They did what they were instructed to. They did their job. Do I like the verdict??? NO! We all know she did it, in our guts. but 'in our guts' isn't good enough. The state couldn't prove the case. It has been said that had they charged her with lesser crimes as well (like obstruction of justice, etc...) that they could have had her in jail for years but the state went for the big guns and on a death penalty case, you have to have solid proof. The state didn't have enough proof and you can not convict on a gut feeling.
If you all are upset that she might make money off this, don't buy what she is trying to sell. But, please for God's sake leave the jurors alone. They all said that they cried and prayed and wanted to convict but according to our law, they could not and I belive them. And, whether you think so or not, we do still have the best judicial system in the world. If not, we wouldn't be able to protest and say how we feel. Same laws provide that.
If you are really angry, do something good with it. Donate to a children's organization in Caylee's name or help get the Caylee's law passed which will make it a felony (?) to not report a child under a certain age missing. There are many other people going to jail and being prosecuted for murdering their children or another person's children. We only heard about this one. There are also thousands that are in prisons and are actually innocent. Do not take anything she is selling or anything that $%$## Baez is selling. I found him to be a pathetic little worm and completely tactless for taking his team just one block from the courthouse within and hour after and whooped it up, right in front of the public and news medias. I thought his opening and closing were horrible. He threw so much into the case just to confuse the jury. It worked.
Anyway, don't yell at me over my typo's. I know some of my spelling is off and have mis-used some words here and there. I type faster than I think......
Go do something positive in Caylee's memory, Casey will get her punishment eventually but don't take it out on the jurors.
Let's turn this anger into something positive. We all know in our guts that she did this-most of us-but, it's over. There is nothing that can be done. With any luck she will commit a non-injury crime and end up in jail for a very long time (OJ), before she tries to reproduce. Her mental state-sociopath narcicest (again, I am not sure of my spelling); she will go back to her old ways....stealing and partying and find somone else to obsess about. Her ex-boyfriend said she broke up with him because she accused him of loving Caylee more than her.
Whoever said that about being black, etc.....it is proven that black men and women convicted of the same offense as a white woman, get more years and the higher convition. It is the truth. Do your research. And I am not black but, I know the statistics.
Just reading another comment. AGAIN, common sense doesn't win a case. AND leave her parents alone. Yes, they lie and their family is disfunctional and you may not like them, but for god's sake, not every mean person comes from mean parents. She was also old enough to know right from wrong too. And YES from what I saw, she is a product of her disfunctional, crazy family full of liars, but she is also old enough to know better.
Know what bugs me? How did her parents not know the nanny? A nanny she 'had' for 2.5 years? My parents knew my babysitters and on occasion had dropped off or picked up my children one time or another. AND, the million dollar question that I never heard an answer to.....WHERE did she go every day for 2.5 years when she said she was going to work and leaving Caylee with the nanny. I believe exactly what Ashton said-Caylee was getting old enough to start talking and she would be able to rat out her mom and her mom couldn't let that happen......
You wonder why someone would think you to be a racist? I don't know if anyone else caught on to your little bit of racism you posted on a different topic so I decided to enlighten you as to why people might think you to be a racist by posting another of your remarks for their inspection:
"Pandering to the Messicans. The funny thing is this guy was afforded every right a US Citizen would be in his trial. What would Mexico have brought to the table? Total pander for votes. I sense strange fruit in 2012" ~ Mark1219747
To those who wonder what he is advocating, it is the hanging of the POTUS with his "strange fruit" comment. Here is a little history behind the remarks:
This was a song written by a white, Jewish schoolteacher and union activist from New York City named Abel Meeropol, who was outraged after seeing a photograph of a horrific lynching in a civil-rights magazine. The photo was a shot of 2 black men hanging from a tree after they had been lynched in Marion, Indiana on August 7, 1930. The 2 men are the "Strange Fruit."
Hey Uncle Tom (that is what you said to call you, is it not?)
The "race card" as you call it brought up earlier was a comment referencing a hypothesis along the line of if Casey was black, she would have been convicted of way more than lying to the police. I happen to think that is true, you don't. No problem, Uncle Tom as opinions are like, well you know. And everyone is entiltled to their own opinions.
Mark,
Unfortunately for you, you are just an ahole born of aholes. Just my opinion.
marklepew,
You are correct sir.Billie Holiday made the song famous. "Southern trees bear a strange fruit, blood on the leaves and blood at the roots." "A strange and bitter crop" The song has a beautiful but the meaning of the lyrics and the feeling they impart.....I don't have the words. India Aire sang it on the Lightning in a Bottle soundtrack. Great version.
Why is what 'way' said an idiotic thing to say? The trial is over. Can't be changed. Move on and do something positive, like what 'way' said. Stop being livid and do something positive for abused children or whatever it may be, but do some good and do it in Caylee's name or someone else's name or anything positive. Something productive is better than just sitting around being pissed off. I say 'way to go' to way2go.
I can't believe we've gotten so high minded that a child murderer gets off scott free because the jurors saw some technicality that absolved them of doing their job! We watched the defense attorney create lie after lie to confuse the public, the child's grandmother lied time and again to protect her daughter from justice. Now look at the net result and tell me justice was served. Murderer, liar, perjurer - they all get a free pass and the jury feels they did their job!
That wasn't high-minded. It was our Constitution. If you would prefer lynch mob justice, there's lots of third world countries that will satisfy blood-lust.
I think maybe he was just trying to point out the total lack of accountability that has pervaded so much of our society. This case is full of examples.
It's a sad situation. I believe she is guilty and I don't think I would have had any trouble voting for that, though I do agree with the juror that said it's difficult to name a punishment when you're not certain what the crime was. I do find it hard to believe that all 12 jurors unanimously agreed to a not guilty verdict in just 11 hours. I believe even the Judge was surprised.
This jury had at least 2 people on it who didn't graduate from High school, another person had family who'd been in prison, and another woman who said "she didn't like to judge others" ... ?? The prosecutors tried to have these 4 struck from the jury, but the judge refused and allowed them to remain.
I think that tells us a LOT about WHY this jury failed to bring even the Child Abuse charge against her. From the comments of the two jurors we've already heard, I don't think half of them UNDERSTOOD the parameters of the case, how they could charge her separately, and the difference between "reasonable" doubt and "any" doubt !!
John, tragically, this was all about jurors whose views represented the 20% minority of American thinking -- you know, white trash, rednecks and brainwashed drones -- that have failed testing on basic reasoning and common logic or this nation's idiots. Anyone with one molecule of brain matter got it.
This is one of the times when you see all that Sunday school training going out the window. It amazes me how many people claim to be "christian" on these blogs wanted her dead, or hoped she fried, and now they're threatening her family.
I hope the law acts swiftly and to its fullest extent for anyone taking the law into their own hands.
Actually, I am a Christian as well, and I don't think Casey deserves to die. I do think she deserves to be held accountable for at the very least negligence in some form or fashion. The child was in her care, and is now dead. There was some middle ground available, but I do not know if the charges were presented in manner that allowed for such.
Also, it's a fairly broad statement to assume everyone who is calling for her head is "Christian". I'm sure many are, and if they actually had the power to put Casey to death by their own hand, my guess is most would not be able to do so. They are just venting their frustration at a story that has received a lot of media exposure.
Wow Sandie, whoa girl...calm down! And what exact harm here was done to you by little Caylee's death that has you so enraged? You act like it was your daughter that this happened to. I'm not in favor of vigilante justice either, but your rage is taking it to a whole new level. Back down!
If you don't understand the harm done, I certainly cannot explain it to you. I do not take orders from anyone and certainly not the likes of you so backing down is not in my immediate or long range future. Now, go play with your toys and leave the grownups alone.
The only thing I can say is that jury was not listening to Jeff Ashton and Diane Burdick's closing arguments because they went through every point and even went through evidence that both sides agreed on like the chloroform in the trunk of her car, both sides agreed they found traces of chloroform in her trunk. Also, the prosecuting attorney pointed out if Caylee drowned in the pool and died that way why would they have ducted taped her mouth covering her mouth and nose so she couldn't breath, if she wasn't breathing. Why would anyone make an accident look like murder!!!! Just based on the fact that Casey did not report her daughter missing for 31 days is not a normal reaction for any parent. Either this jury is ignorant or they were so tired they weren't listening to the closing arguments. Jeff Ashton and Diane Burdick did an excellent job after I listened to both closing arguments, there is no doubt in my mind Casey killed her little girl. Now, Casey is talking about adopting a child or having another baby. I guess why not when she got away with murder. Casey's parents need to file a wrongful death suit against her so she will never become rich off of their granddaughter's death, at this point, that would be the only justice for Caylee!
Despite what Casey has done I don't believe her parents will follow thru with any lawsuits against her. She is still their daughter and though the death of Caylee has obviously devastated them, they still love Casey.
Closing arguments are not evidence and should NEVER be considered as such in the jury room. The fact is, the evidence did not link Casey to the commission of a crime, and the jury - and MOST legal experts who observed the case in part or in full - clearly stated the DA failed to prove the primary elements of the charges against Casey. How do you accuse and convict someone of first degree murder when you cannot even prove the child was murdered, let alone by whom, when, how, why or where...
The jury did not do its job. Okay no clear CSI evidence. After six months buried in a swanp I would think prints and dna would be washed away, especially after a flood. But not reporting your child missing for 31 days (and this was proved) and not guilty on the child endangerment charge. This is unbelievable. Common sense is DEAD.
I would agree with you, Pam, if the prosecution had done this right and tried to prove child endangerment or even manslaughter, but they didn't. They screwed up and got too ambitious. They tried to go for 1st degree. HUGE mistake. The time they spent uselessly trying to prove 1st degree murder would have been better spent trying to prove manslaughter or aggravated child abuse. If they'd done that, I believe they would have one. The fact is, you can't convict someone of murder just for not reporting a missing child. Doesn't work that way.
You are an idiot! You are an Idiot! You are an Idiot! Did you see her kill anybody? Did you see her put chlorform in the trunk? Did you see her type anything on the "family computer?" You are an idiot! You are an idiot!
The prosecution turned almost every bought defense witness to theyre favor. This was such a no brainer for the jury. I really wonder what changed all theyre minds after voting 10-2 to convict at first. Some one on that panel must have been really convincing.
I guest only a few of us were paying attention, is not excusable what did Jury did, if they were tired ask say so & ask to rest before making such a Stupid un-excusable verdict & like u khans the prosecution did proof the case BUT justice will come to all..
I cannot believe for one moment that the jurors actually "deliberated" on this case. If they did, they never would have come back with a decision of such huge impact in such a relatively brief time. They were just itching to be done with the whole thing and start making money off of it. Disgusting. Juror #3 mentioned decisions based on the punishment?! That wasn't their job! They were to decide 'guilt' or 'non-guilt' ONLY; the punishment phase comes later. But, no, that would have kept them hanging around for a few more days, and god knows, they couldn't handle that, could they? Wow, a few more days in a Florida courthouse somehow does not seem as "painful" an ordeal as what little Caylee Anthony endured. But, you know what? What goes around, comes around . . . . . . . .I hope.
The jury system is not always right and any attorney or prosecutor knows this going into a jury trial. Beyond a reasonable doubt is the highest standard of proof. The state should not have attempted to go for this without sufficient evidence. There is also something to be said if the prosecutors seem over zealous to throw the book at someone. Jurors always start out with presumption of innocence (which is as it should be). We live in TV land with shows like CSI, Law and Order and Criminal Intent always showing things in black or white. How wonderful all the pieces fall into place. The technology is not like what they show on TV. It never works that way in real life. The actual statistics on first degree homicide convictions is not that good. Most are pleaded down to manslaughter or second degree. If it weren't for confessions it would be an infinitesimally small percentage.
I have twice been on a jury, including once in a difficult rape trial. The people who post about what the jurors "should" have done or assuming to know the motivations of the jurors seem to have not had any similar experiences. It's not so easy as people assert; it is a lot different when you are actually one of the people who has to decide, knowing you have to live forever with the idea that you might have made the wrong decision.
originally some of the jurors voted not guilty, what I`m wondering is why did they change their votes without ever reviewing any of the evidence? To me that proves that they changed their votes from guilty to not guilty based on something other than the evidence. two facts are certain:
1) They changed their votes
2) They changed their votes,not based on the evidence,but based on something that wasn`t introduced into evidence.
Did they change their votes based on what other jurors said to them rather than on the actual evidence itself?
We have allowed our legal system to become what it is. Do I think she did it ? YES ! Would I have found her guilty of murder ? NO ! The state could not even say how this child died, they failed in a very large way...
It's a tough one. The state may not have been able to exactly pinpoint how Caylee Marie died, but common sense tells us that no child, who dies a natural death, is found in the woods wrapped in a laundry bag and stuffed into a trash bag. I think she did it and I would have voted for a guilty verdict.
Cindy----Yeah, well guess what, I think you did so I will see to it that you get a guilty verdict. Sure I may have no evidence whatsoever, but who needs evidence anyways. You have clearly demonstrated that you would convict somebody of a crime without evidence. How wonderful a system this would be if people went around convicting based on how they felt rather than what they could prove. It just so happens that I feel you are guilty, so therefore you are and it is worth giving you the deathpenalty over.
One thing a lot of people are missing, is that the jurors have to consider the evidence in relation to the law. She may appear to be guilty of Aggravated Child Abuse, but the crime is specificially defined in law, and if they were not convinced her actions fit the definition, then they would be required to aquit.
Child dies due to abuse or neglect- it becomes a felony
Tape around the nose and mouth seems to qualify as abuse to me...and saying you don't know when she put the tape there is silly...there is no reason to put tape over the nose and mouth of dead person or a live one either (unless she was trying to kill the child or keep her quiet and screwed up by putting the tape over both airways). It made no sense to put the tape on post mortem.
Would you have said she was guilty of a crime if they had found a broken hyoid bone? That is not an easy one to break unless by hanging, strangulation, etc....But since it "could" have been broken by one of the scavengers, who knew how or when it broke? At what point does the "gee, it could have been because of _______" stop?
See it is a matter of what you are looking atin order to see if there was a crime. To me, that tape over the nose and mouth was enough when the method of disposing the body, the complete LACK of reporting the child missing/dead, the lies she told everyone to avoid having to produce her child, etc... Each piece of the evidence need to be considered in relation to the condition of the remains, the mother's actions or inactions, and in conjunction to all of the other pieces of evidence...the overall picture.
So you can prove that it was Casey and NO one else that taped the mouth? If so that would be much more convincing than anything the prosecution put forth.
They were color blind. Of everything but the color Green. And I firmly believe this to be true. Scotty boy went down for less, and I am sure he is pissed off beyond all belief right now.
If the Judge had been doing his job this never would have come to trial. The prosecution presented such a pathetic prima facia case it never should have seen a jury trial.
Oh the good Christians are in rare form for this one. Yes, kill the family. Kill, kill, get your pound of flesh. Heh, why not crucifixion? It was good enough for Jesus and He didn't party or molest children, or start unnecessary wars that killed innocent people.
Yes the verdict stinks based on what we know. But as always it is better in a country based on real justice to put one guilty person free than to convict an innocent man.
Yes, the juries make errors and the rich seldom go to jail, but it is better than a system of lynch mobs.
Amen to this comment! Those angry people wishing death on Casey Anthony and her family need to (loosely quoting Jesus here) remove the log from their own eye before they concern themselves with the speck in someone else's eye.
how sad it is that people get away with the perfect crime. i would have preferred to see casey anthony die of lethal injection as did timothy mcvey...along with o.j., robert blake and jon bonet ramsey's parents.
i truly believe that it was a father/ daughter stand off and who was actually going to squeal on whom. maybe grandma will someday come forward and tell what really went down, unless the truth eats her alive first.
Jon benet's parents???? Do your research. They found dna on her-in specific areas- and in specific areas of the home that pointed to a stranger. There was never anything to even arrest her parents. Only speculation. People only got angry because of the 'beauty paegent' side of it all and the public went into immediate blame onto the parents and demanded answers so the police were pressured. They always look at the closest to the victim. Unfortunately, none of the public looks into it throroughly because of the media sensationalism. It isn't always the parents!!! Move on.........
I think you may be on to something here...Remember "Grandma Cindy was the last to actually have contact with Kaylee on Sunday. This is when she took her to the nursing home. She then suposedly went to work on Monday morning and found the ladder still up by the pool when whe came home. Maybe just maybe that grandma was putting on a good act when she finally called police a month later. After what might have happened was eating her up inside!!
So you think Grandma Cindy wanted to kill her little gd Caylee ... her ONLY grandchild ... a child they LOVED and TOOK CARE OF, MUCH OF THE TIME - for their very immature and totally irresponsible daughter Casey !!!
Im gonna laugh when these guys get busted. And they will. They will know exactly who you are, and where to find you. And they will have no problem busting you, same as anyone else.
No one is going to let it slide because its her. And you can bet she has an army protecting her. The police will happily bust anyone that gives them a reason. There wont be any sympathy because its her that is being threatened or hurt.
These people making threats are no better then she is, and actually worse. They are terrorists. Making threats because you dont like the outcome of trial or an election, theres no difference. I hope they treat the perps the same way they do Al Queda. Shoot them on sight.
hay the media is run by there bosses the government. they figure if they only print curtain thing they can prolong everything and make more money of the story or stories
I sure am glad to see that everyone on this thread had access to all the evidence and all the testimony. Can someone please tell me where they posted this, I would love to see it also.
Oh, wait a tick, no one here saw anything that the media did not want them to see. No one here heard anything that the media did not want them to hear; however I am sure that the media would never slant any coverage, any reports, or do anything dishonest in order to sell add space, or air time.
I'm not saying that the media never slants any coverage but the trial was streamed live and many people watched it. So yes, you could have had access to all the evidence and testimony if you wanted to.
JustaGrunt you are out of your mind. The media is the problem in these cases and they will push their opinion and slant facts to sell air time in a heartbeat!
I sure am glad to see that everyone on this thread had access to all the evidence and all the testimony. Can someone please tell me where they posted this, I would love to see it also.
There were cameras in the courtroom the TV viewing audience saw everything the jurors saw plus more. The wftv website has hundreds of links to all of the evidence.There are also links there to statements,photos,videos etc that were collected by the police but were never introduced as evidence, it`s actually a very interesting site.
I don't have to see anything the media puts out there to know that when someones baby drowns in a POOL they don't wrap duct tape around their heads, put them in three GARBAGE BAGS and a laundry bag(from their own home, mind you), and thrown their body in a swamp...OR DID YOU MISS THAT PART?
I think the issue is that the Prosecutor himself has indicated that several jurors did not take notes, which is really inexcusable. And the jurors asked for no additional evidence notes, nor ask any questions while in deliberation. This is not the norm for a decision like this. Especially when there is so much circumstantial evidence - which in fact circumstantial evidence has convicted many people, including Scott Peterson.
And the jurors asked for no additional evidence notes, nor ask any questions while in deliberation
and yet some of the jurors changed their votes from guilty to not guilty,so we know for sure that they didn`t change their votes based on the evidence.They were instructed to vote based on the evidence but we now know that at least some of them did not do that,their votes were based on something other than the evidence because they changed their votes without ever reviewing the evidence while in the jury room.
I am here in Tampa, Fl, as I write this. This woman was tried and convicted by the media, bleach blond TV lawyers wanttabes, and generally loud mouths that don't their butts from third base. There was no way, believe me, no way that she could be convicted of a crime with the info that was attained. Like it or not, folks, this is the reality of the case.
You cannot railroad people anymore, and remember the old saying.....you and indite a hamburger, and it is done everyday, and then the attorney's get slapped all the back to next year when the truth comes out. Just ask the boys from Duke University as few years back.
I agree! If something happens to one of anybody's kids, they'd better be squeaky clean. These people who want to throw the Constitution out the window over emotion could be one of your jurors!
ONE MORE TIME TAMPA BAY illiterates . . . culpable negligence (which was the lesser of the murder charges - i.e. manslaughter is defined as failing to act with the prudence that a reasonable person would exercise under the same circumstances. If it was an accident . . . CASEY FAILED TO ACT WITH THE PRUDENCE THAT A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD EXERCISE UNDER THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES. I realize that trying to explain that to a county that was incapable of punching a stupid hole in a ballot in 2000, is like beating my head against a wall.
A - Casey was the last one to see her child ALIVE (per her atty's opening statements, not to mention her telling the police she was with Zanny, the imaginary nanny);
B - Casey is the primary caregiver . . . and as such is RESPONSIBLE (a realize that's a big bad word for the bleeding heart libs . . . but do try and take it all in) for her child;
C - Her child is . . . DEAD. One plus one will always equal two, you jackwagons!
Addie, Put your lefty/righty filter aside. The stupid people on this jury were no more liberal than conservative. They held the proof of evidence to a higher level because the people of this country watch too much TV and they all think that a criminal conviction should be based on total empirical evidence....DNA, VIDEO CAM, etc. Most of the people in this country are too dumb to understand what is being presented in a court case unless it mirrors the non-reality they absorb from their TVs.
No John, you missing the póint on all this. This was a case of a zealous prosecutor with media sensationalized case trying to make a career and get a capital conviction. Of COURSE they could have convicted her on any number of charges, including Child endangerment and criminal neglect, but it was FAR more important to make a name for themselves. And I hate to break it to all the Killem all and let God sortem out folks out there but that attitude of prosecutors, trying to pin the most they can on someone, regardless of the evidence, is what has completely trashed any real justice we might have had in this country.
Carlo, I totally agree with you about over-zealous prosecuting attorneys who seek to further their own political ambitions. However, I stand by my observation that the average juror is brainwashed to believe in scientific evidence alone, to the exclusion of logic and reason. "Reasonable Doubt" has been elevated to a level beyond the original intent and purpose of our judicial system.
Lets see: 31 days w/o reporting a child missing? that is nothing? Lies, lies, lies, that is nothing? her car smelling like there was a dead body in the damn car, nothing? Her partying, partying, partying, Nothing? There were lots of circumstantial evidence for not even child neglect? This judicial system has been crumbling before our eyes and we are getting either to fed up or blind to see it... now what is bad we call good. I honestly believe that if you were the victim you were be talking differently... this is not you, this is not the media this was real, all of us who have two cents of a brain know she had something to do with this... now she will walk free because our judicial system is not working at all. The Jury? those were just looking for the opportunity and bounce right in with their preconceive mind.
The only way to eliminate ANY doubt is to actually see the person committing he crime. In the Casey case, the circumstantial evidence OVERWHELMING points to Casey's guilt. During the month that the little girl went missing, she may have been ALIVE. Had her absence been reported, professionals may have found a live child and rescued her. Since Casey obviously knew that she was simply fabricating lies to conceal the child's absence, Casey is, in point of fact, an accomplice to the crime. It is ridiculous to think that she was not even found guilty of endangering the welfare of her child. In the final analysis, this case is mostly about $$$. Besides all the lawyers who made a mint, most persons even remotely related to this case stand to benefit financially. Now, along with Casey making millions of dollars for at the least, contributing to the death of the child, if not perpetrating it, someone will find a way to have taxpayer's money used to protect from harm, because it was the court who instigated the violence by handing down "not guilty?"
Well aren't you smart, NOT! That Anthony broad killed that child and tried casting the blame elsewhere, anywhere. Her parents were only guilty of raising a crazy loon.
Carlo, you and Space have it right. People are so caught up it this emotionally, and understandably so, that they are seemingly unable to accept the rational and legal reasoning for this outcome. I think she is responsible, but I understand why and how she was found not guilty.
Ok I want to digest this scenario: Baby falls into pool. Baby's dead body is discovered by Grandfather. Mommy (using that term loosely) sees Grandfather holding dead baby. Grandfather speaks: "QUICK--go get the duct tape and a garbage bag! We MUST make this look like a MURDER! GO! NOW!" So that's what happened????
For all you trying to defend the jurors.........please STOP....you sound rediculous. Yes EMOTIONS are running high....only b/c a child is gone and a woman that was guilty was set free. The one solid truth is she DID NOT REPORT HER CHILD MISSING FOR 30 DAYS!!!! IF YOU ARE INNOCENT YOU DON'T DO THIS!!!! IF I WAS A JUROR.... THAT ONE STATEMENT IS ALL IT WOULD TAKE FOR ME TO WITHHOLD!!!! THEY ARE WRONG, THEY BAILED WAY TOO QUICKLY........END OF DISCUSSION.
I agree, and don't tell me they could not at least of come up with a hung jury so that this so called "Mom" could not be tried again later in case additional evidence comes up and it will. Even if she didn't intentionally kill her, she didn't report her daughter "missing" for 30 days and probably never would have had it not been for her lying mother. This woman went out partying and getting tattoos. She at the very least should have been found guilty of negligence or child abuse. If the jury found her guilty of lying to cops, then what makes them think she didn't lie about the other facts. Reasonable doubt doesn't mean acquit her on everything else. Even when one is told to not let your feelings be a part of your decisions, that is not humanly possible. There is more to this jurys decision then we all know. I hope they can all live with the fact that this woman is getting away with murder wether is was intentional or not. Hope they can look their grandchildren in the eyes knowing this woman duct taped and buried her daughter.
People are sexually assaulted as wrong children all the time, don't think that gives them a free ride to kill their kids because they have emotional issues.
The justice system is a joke, maybe Caley can hook up with OJ, they can compare notes.
I just wonder how many other kids your gonna find buried by poor distraught mothers now.................Hope the defense is very proud of themselves, but then again, I'm sure they are smiling all the way to the bank, not only will Caley be making money on this case but all involved.
billie370998- I Couldn't agree with you more. This case just showed the whole world that you can just lie and get away with murder. Karma is real and will come around to Casey Anthony
Sweet Sweet Caylee im so sorry this happened. Justice will be served one day.
Mother in Dallas... not reporting her child missing for a month DOES NOT MEAN SHE KILLED HER! Circumstantial evidence. Emotion does not get a killer convicted. You can argue until you're blue in the face, but not notifying the police DOES NOT MEAN SHE KILLED CAYLEE. Can you understand what I'm saying? There is NO scientific proof. No smoking gun. No prints. No witnesses who are talking. NO IRREFUTABLE evidence. Just assumptions.
Please don't every serve on a jury in a capitol case. Serving on a jury is a huge responsibility, not for the faint-hearted nor emotional prigs.
Do I THINK she murdered Caylee? Yes, I THINK she did. But, reasonable doubt was presented to the jury. They did the right thing. We cannot serve the death penalty on assumptions.
Is Casey Anthony a bimbo? You bet. Is she a liar. Yepper. Should she be sterilized? Not a bad idea. She's not mother-of-the-year. But there is not one shred of ROCK-SOLID evidence that says SHE KILLED CAYLEE.
Don't assume... it makes an ASS of U and ME. I agree with CO Mom... justice will be served one. She has bad mojo and karma. It will catch up with her.
No artsyLady I can't understand what your saying...your way, way out of it to say its just "assumptions"... YOu DON'T need a smoking gun, you NEED TO Stop looking at just one thing at a time and PUT EVERYTHING together. What all you "Didn't-Prove-It" Meisters are missing is the Law provides for circumstantial evidence...
and "serving on a Jury is a huge responsibility" you say ?!? Yes it is !!! That's the number one most disgusting thing about this Jury... they only deliberated for a measly 11 hours which amounts to shunning the responsibility they had to go over all aspects of the trial and evidence...
BTW, there was no "Reasonable doubt" , rather only "a lack of Reason" on the jury's part.... C.A. is guiltier than the Devil himself...
Sick to my stomach, broke in my soul. Justice for Casey, but what about Caylee? The only thing I know is that soon or later Casey will pay! Nothing in this world is hiden from Heaven! God's law is not the same as men's law!
So, where was God BEFORE she died??? And please don't tell me he needed another angel in heaven. Most christians believe God chooses the day one dies.....if thats true then God did it....mystery solved.
Yes, i've heard all about the free will thing. My parents attend a baptist church so God won't torment them with hell - some free will there! My point is every time a child dies, some christian will chatter how "god wanted another angel" Your "free will" argument isn't refuting my comment.
What we're being led to believe here is that as long as a mother murders her child where no one can see, some defense attorney will come to her aid with lies to confuse the jury and the baby's grandmother will purger herself in an effort to absolve her daughter of the responsibility for the crime - and this is justice! In a just world they all would be behind bars. That was no defense. It was just another crime thrown into the lot and the jury bought it all. What a sick society.
It must have been heart wrenching to be a juror on this awful case. My heart sunk listening to the closing statements by both sides, but the defense won on the reasonable doubt. I believe in my heart of hearts that Casey caused the death of her child, but understand why she got off. Life is never fair, and our judicial system has set high standards, as they should, to prove one's guilt. So, we must live with the verdict. What really makes me ill, is Casey will make a lot of money off this fiasco, but she will always live with this crap hanging over her head. It is the only thing that helps me, is to know her life will never be normal again. She's a loser, will probably spend herself into bankruptcy soon, good!
I agree and I hope that she doesn't make any money from this whole tragic fiasco. I would NOT listen to her or read anything that was written by her. I think she probably did get away with murder but it was a hard case for the prosecution to prove.
Those issuing death threats against her are NO better than she is; murder is murder! Sickening indictment of the mindset of too many Americans!
This case makes me sick--because there are SO many other issues in this country that need to be addressed, and the media and the public are fixated on this one blip on the news radar.
It is sad that a child died, but there are tens of thousands of homeless children in this country, more go hungry for lack a food. Each year, children die from lack of heat, lack of proper medical care, and exposure to toxins in the air and the water and in the environment around them. Last Saturday, one of the news networks devoted twelve minutes on the nightly news, almost half of the show's time, to this case; with that same time dedicated to almost any other issue, they could have saved twelve living children.
The people who follow this case freak me out. I studiously avoid these types of issues because I think they are counter-productive, and I still had to listen to it being discussed on TV, on the radio, at parties--I couldn't turn the channel, punch the button, or move away fast enough to avoid you people. If you spent as much time on real issues instead of this Nancy Grace stuff (not the word I wanted to use) that crops up a couple of times a year, we could start doing some real good.
Unfortunately, if her story makes it to print or film, people will watch..it is the nature of people. Look at the rubberneckers on the roads for something as simple as someone changing a tire or my personal favorite, the 20 mile backup on "my" side of the road for an accident that occured on the "other" side of the road.
Society will always be nosey and want to know "why." If there is a snowball's chance in Hades that the "why" (and in this case the how and who as well) will come out in the book, people will buy it. Problem is, Casey has beeen so much proven to be a constant liar, who will know what to believe when it comes out of her mouth.
I hope Zanaida Gonzales and Equisearch get every dime she makes off of any book/movie/interview deal.
John Morgan (Zenaida's lawyer) looks like a pushover but he's not. I hope anyone who can will sue her.
@eapeau """media and the public are fixated"""
NO, the media is fixated, I wish they would just STFU about the little B!TCH that worked the system!
Defunct court system strikes again!
Oh and hey Jared Loughner I hope you're doing well out in Arizona, nice room, TV, AC, food and the rest of America is going down the toilet paying your way...... Too bad you didn't use one more bullet in YOUR HEAD!!!!
Casey WAS free to go party because her parents took Caylee all the time!
Death threats?? REALLY??? What is wrong with these people? Its over, not guilty...GET A LIFE!
Caylee is in a better place and doesnt have to grow up to be the next Casey!
No sorry Michelle honey... the defense didn't "win on reasonable doubt"... rather, the Jury Lacked Reason.... The gullible masses such as yourself did the same thing in the OJ trial...
the defense would throw out any-old "Man-in-the-Moon" or "Aliens-from-Space" type theory and then say..."hey, maybe, maybe not, but its REASONABLE doubt". In other words no matter how ridiculous, whacky, far-fetched or fairy-tale the doubt was... they would just simply attach "reasonable" to the front of it, then the masses start buying whatever they are selling. Same thing here... Oh the baby drowned did she ?!!!? Who exactly found her ??? What adult took the body out of the pool and decided not to call 911 ??? Where exactly was the body 'hidden' around the house before it was decided to dump it? What adult then duct taped her face and threw her in the woods ? Oh..fuhget about it, we don't have to ask any of those questions..."hey, it may have been Space aliens and there's your 'Reasonable doubt' baby..." On and on... it is difficult to believe the stupidity sometimes
I find it most telling that so many are willing to use the unsubstantiated "stories and accusations" thrown out by the Defense as reasonable doubt. Without proof, the information should not have been considered, and should have been struck from the record by the Judge. So, in essense, the Defense used the same tactic Casey did. Lie to avoid the truth.
I wish that the prosecutors had been able to bring a more provable charge--sadly, they were pushed by the media and the public to pursue a charge that they could not prove. They did try--but they did not have the data and should not have brought the case until they had something better (like a confession to someone else--which probably would have happened if they'd waited).
However, at this juncture, what I hope will happen is that they figure out who the little girl's biological father was. He is really the only one who can sue for wrongful death--and he can sue the entire family for wrongful death.
Watch them turn on one another when they realize that their million-dollar windfalls from the books they will "write" and the films they will authorize will go straight to the father. There is plenty of evidence of wrongful death--and the father will be able to collect for that and for being lied to about paternity (apparently, he was never told).
A wrongful death suit is what got OJ. This is what really should happen in the Anthony case. Or, well, I hope that Casey gets a whole lot of money, blows through it quickly, and then winds up jailed because of things she does with the money (drugs) or what she does after she gets used to the money and has lost it all (fraud, kiting checks).
Karma will get her in the end--if she's guilty (and I'm sure she is), karma will get her.
The bytch just might think it would be a good time to leave the country, and not show her ugly mug anywhere in America again.
More like 'unreasonable doubt'.... I think that people have forgotten the meaning of 'reason' or something.
I mean on here the other day someone was arguing about the hair in the trunk, "oh it could have been Casey's since the DNA was only familial"
For some reason they seemed to forget (as well as the jury apparently) that not only was it a familial match but it had something called POST-MORTEM banding on it (ie it came from a dead person)...
So I guess Casey had other dead family members with long hair in her trunk? I mean wtf...
Seriously this jury entertained any bull@!$%# excuse the defense came up with as a 'reasonable' explanation. Morons, the lot of them, a jury of our peers is made up of morons, we are a country of morons.
"In a 2010 jailhouse letter to a friend, Anthony said she would like to adopt a child from Ireland "accent and all.""
I hope that nobody would be stupid enough to let this woman anywhere near a child again. I had also heard a report saying Casey would like to HAVE another child also. Sickening.
eapeau-
"The people who follow this case freak me out. I studiously avoid these types of issues because I think they are counter-productive"
You avoid these issues so much that you read another story about it then take the time to write a nice long comment about not only the case but how you despise it so much that you avoid it?
Shes going to open a day care service.
"Casey's Home for Happy Toddlers"
~You bring em and we make your worries disappear~
mopman 411-
Haha pretty good.
You'll probably get the "too soon" comments
Currently living in Florida but not from here, (yes, I always HAVE to say that I'm not from here because it makes me feel better) I have had experience with a certain school district. Let's just say that when the teachers can't get the curriculum correct that they are supposed to impart, this is what can happen. 12 people worried more about money than the death of a baby. Casey is a dropout herself. Many of those here. And a lot of cheating on standardized tests to get the teacher bonuses. Ah yes, Florida, land of sun and fun. Life's a beach!
oh she'll make money off of this. the first "real" interview with her will probably net her a cool million.
it all reminds me of the movie Natural Born Killers. "we" (the people) are the ones who make these people infamous. we have to feed our need for tragedy and the blood of others.
casey anthony is pathetic in numerous ways. we all know she did something to her daughter. we all know she just got away with murder. i say that because i don't hear investigators saying: "we have to now get out there and find the REAL killer." and while she may have dropped out of school, she was brilliant in the fact that she waited 30+ days before even mentioning her daughter was missing ... and then it was another 6 months before the body was "discovered". who knows where she kept Caylee during that time. but it was certainly long enough for the body to be completely decomposed. she knew that no one would ever be able to determine a cause of death .. and she would get away with it.
can you imagine if she DOES have another child? what that child would have to grow up with? i'm certain she wouldn't give that a second thought; however, because Casey has never thought about anyone but herself.
also: if she didn't commit a crime (found not guilty) how can she be charged with lying to police? what did she lie about? if this brilliant jury [insert sarcasm] found her not guilty then doesn't that mean they believe everything she said and she didn't do it??
she lied to the police about working at Universal....so you want to kill her for that?
ps: any of you who think the jury didn't have any other choices, i have two words for you: jury nullification.
look it up.
Agree w/BananaJama against Michelle! You can put reasonable doubt into any situation!! No matter what the story is!!! The prosecution should have charged her with all the little matters, ie, not reporting a child missing MUST be a crime!!!! We all know the more time a child is missing the less likely you WILL have evidence into, WHO, WHAT, WHEN & WHERE!!! THIS IS SO DISGUSTING!!! AMERICA-LAND OF THE FREE HOME OF THE MURDERER!!
FedupwithFed-
Yep
FedUp:
so you're saying if i lie to the police about where i work, i'm going to be charged with a crime? really? wow!
never underestimate the stupidity of the american people!!
Maybe one day you will be convicted of a crime that no one can prove you committed. And you were innocent.
I can hear the whining now.
So, this pathological liar wants to write a book? And who would believe a word she has to say? She has lied so ridiculously - the nanny took the little girl, she was working at Disney World, and who in the world could believe the child drowned in the pool and that Casey was molested by her dad and brother! More wild lies. And if they did molest her, why did she continue living at the home with them? She was an adult and could have gotten her own place.
Such a pathetic liar! Her life is such crap and I think her head is so screwed up that she doesn't even realize it.
Well, it's 9:03 Thursday and I see the slut is all dolled up and ready to go. Watch out boys, she'll chew you up, she's a maneater! Apologies to Hall and Oates.
Looks to me like it's time for Mr. Baez and family to take and extended vacation and leave his children in the loving care of Casey Anthony. He should have no problem with that, and it would give her a place to stay. A win win situation..
Society and the media say Cassey was a bad mother, murder, party drinker & dancer, etc. So they wish her ill, violent actions, and send death threats all from facts involving emotions, over amplification and vilifying by the media to make a profit while subliminal promoting violence in our society, etc. So do all these acts made by Cassey and our society make all of them "Murders" as well"? Is the behavior by the media and our society any better than Cassey? Why is it that the media and so called "Professional Experts" never brought up questions like: Why did Cassey stand so stubbornly firm on accepting none of the plead deals??? Why was the media and experts so spontaneous with giving the prosecutors (who did an extremely lousy job--except for the Grandstanding-- and couldn't wait to be the first one on National TV the very next day after the acquittal ) their daily "A's" and the Defending Attorney his daily "F's" with ever so few "C's"?? Were the media, legal, police, society quick to judge and convict long before the trial? How many convicted criminals as much as 20 plus years later have been found innocent after such over zealous grand standing tactics for show or advancing of their career by the prosecutors or police? Shouldn't they, too, be held responsibility to pay restitution as well to the tax payers? Society expects Cassey to pay restitution for the Search Party when she was not the one to make such a request for the search. Who did make the request and should they be made to do restitution as well (police and State Legals)? A lesson learned from this over publicized event is: No one is perfect, nor does it make them "murders", which includes the: frequent violent and flippant society, the overzealous and profit promoting media, Anthony family, attorneys, overzealous prosecutors & the police (who provide little to no protection for the neighborhood long before the trial), Cassey's Obstruction of Justice, the court ticket observers with nothing else to keep themselves busy, and most importantly when Cassey waited so long to report her missing daughter. Now it's time for everyone to move on down the road to become more productive citizens in our society, and leave the Anthony family members alone to deal with their dysfunctional problems possibly with the help of professional counselors.
It doesn't matter what those idiot jurors felt now. I don't feel sorry that they had to go through this crooked trial and not convict her. If she was convicted I would feel for the jury. Since they didn't convict her, it doesn't matter how they felt and how bad they had to go through the trial. The most idiotic jury that I know of. Totally found Casey Anthony of not guilty of anything.
Oh Nick - you got it. The court of public opinion is far harsher than the court of law. We have so many armchair lawyers sitting here saying SHE'S GUILTY! yet they were not there.
If they've ever served on a jury, they'd understand that the jury can only deliberate on the facts they were given. They are instructed to convict only if the evidence proves BEYOND ALL REASONABLE DOUBT that the suspect actually committed the crime. If there is any REASONABLE DOUBT - they must vote to acquit. Once cannot vote to convict a suspect on emotion alone.
Our justice system isn't perfect, but it is still a hell of a lot better than in many other countries around the world. Think about that.
raven::..
Yep! Thats what they charged Casey Anthony with! You cannot lie to a police officer in an investigation.
she is completely innocent. get over it and get a life of your own. Her Dad did it. I'm glad to see her free.
May cervical cancer take away her ability to procreate again.
Then you are no better than she is. Can you say hypocrite?
Casey got away with something here. The prosecution did a horrible job which may have set a murderer free! As an attorney, I know what the juror's had to do. I also know what the prosecution should have done.
I pray this family, like "Octomom", does not make a killing in the media circus now. No movies, no book deals, no profit from Caylee's death!
Independent Thinker:
No, Casey did not request the search party because she had the body hidden somewhere and didn't want the body found. Casey's murdering of her daughter caused the search party. When the publlic finds out that a child has been missing for over a month, guess what happens? People start to care and want to find them and they start search parties. Casey brought that and everything else that has happened on herself. She is NOT an innocent victim in this mess - Caylee was!
I watched juror #3 last night giving her interview. And they quoted her in this article saying:
"If they want to charge and they want me to take someone's life, they have to prove it. They have to prove it, or else I'm a murderer too."
Very telling here the words "...a murderer too." The word too implies that she believes Casey is a murderer. At least that's my interpretation.
I am now watching her on TV and so far she hasn't stopped playing with her hair not to mention that she is far too upbeat and smiley. Like this newscaster said, the show's over, she has nothing to lose now. Remember, this person, Casey Anthony, is a high school dropout with no real usable employment skills, her family has rejected her (gee I wonder why), Vivid Entertainment has retracted their offer for her to make a porn movie, death threats are pouring in by the thousands, she alienated most of her friends, she lied countless times through implication about her fictitious nanny, her brother and dad molesting her...we all know the list so I won't go on.
Her licentious ego and narcissistic demeanor will most likely lead her to her ultimate and final end, whatever it may be. But for now she is content to believe she is free to regain her position in life she held prior to this trial. She is so narcissistic she has no idea what is in store for her - for the remainder of her life. I don't see a long life for her and from how she looks today at her sentencing she won't get by with them either. She's a sorry mess and deservedly so. She looks old. She will have to look over her shoulder for the rest of her life.
As for the jury - their comeuppance is on the way too. I see very bad things for their karma. Patience is the key for karma.
Rest in peace, dear Caylee, truth and justice will come in time.
If you compare the evidence with the Scott Peterson case...you have the same. No blood, no fingerprints, no DNA. Guess Scott Peterson wishes he had had Casey's lawyer.
However, the sad fact is a little girl is dead and apparently no one will pay. At least not on this earth.
It's different evidence and a different case, with somewhat different laws, and a completely different jury who knew what had to be done...in this case. Plus a WAY better motive for Scott Peterson to kill...money.
What good does it do to convict someone who MAY not have done it? I think Casey's guilty but there simply was no proof of it. Caylee is dead...it makes no difference to her if someone goes to prison or gets the death penalty. She isn't coming back, either way.
Our system failed Caylee Anthony and the rest of us. Is it because it was a Florida jury? The verdict would have been different in the northeast, I bet. As for death threats, this cannot be a surprise for this family, or the jurors for that matter, so everybody better stay out of sight for a while and keep their mouths shut. I don't believe in vigilante justice but there are plenty out there who do and they scare me to death.
And the four years can be served consecutively. So one year max. And the high possibility of early release. So she's looking at a few months in prison.
I'm not upset with this. I'm happy to see the courts not exaggerating a sentence just because she was acquitted in a murder trial. She's getting the propper sentence for what she was convicted of.
In general, I think this case has demonstrated a triumph of our justice system and the values that were established within it.
Whether she did it or not, the prosecution was unable to provide anything other than hearsay or circumstantial evidence. Neither of which is even close to enough of what it takes to convict one of 1st degree murder, manslaughter or the other felony crimes Anthony was accused of. No motive, no cause of death, nothing substantial other than "she lied about X, therefore she killed her daughter." Which is a flawed argument by itself. Yeah, I personally think she did it, but I must ask myself "how do I know this?" And I don't. None of us except Anthony know the true answer. I'd rather have any jury use the facts of a case instead of guessing the guilt or innocence of an individual. Better ten criminals walk than one innocent person be sent to prison.
Let's see, "Innocent until proven guilty in a COURT OF LAW". Very simple statement I wonder why people don't get it?
You DO need to provide basic information to the police like your name, address, and place of work. How else can they do an investagation is they cannot even find you?
Sad thing is, it seems easier and easier these days to get away with murder. All you have to do is lie, that puts reasonable doubt in the case. So long as you were not nabbed holding a smoking gun with a dead body lying at your feet, you can get of scott free. Even then, you would probably still get off, because nobody actually saw you pull the trigger. Sad.
How hateful to wish cancer on anyone...Im sure you made all the cancer patients and their families feel so wonderful today.
You are no better than Casey!
Perhaps you should go volunteer at a Cancer Center or Hospice so you can SEE what it is like.
My X was just diagnosed with TERMINAL cancer, inoperable and already spread....and the children are suffering terribly!
Me too Maureen, me too. If we're all patient life will take care of itself. But I'm willing to bet there are people out there planning their attack on Casey. She will live the rest of her life looking behind her. Not very appealing is it?
I agree with the person hoping the child's father comes forward with a wrongful death suit and sues for so many millions she never sees a dime. Trouble is, she lies so bad the real father probably never even knew he had a daughter.
I have not really payed attn: To this case. However today was in a waiting room and seen it on TV. The Judge said that Casey told police she talked to Caylee on the phone in July 2008. So if that was the case, Caylee was in a trash bag in the woods in July 2008. Not child abuse? Not murder??? Why in the hell would the prosecution set out to prove this statement was a lie? Strange Days Indeed.
What surprises me is that since it was told in court by Casey's attorney that Caylee drowned and panic drove her to dispose Caylee's body in the swamp. Why was there not any charges against Casey for tampering with a body. I've seen those types of charges in many other cases. I'm appalled by her acquittal of all charges except for lying...REALLY. The only good that came from this is Caylee is in a beautiful place right now and experiencing more than than she ever received here on earth. As for Casey, I doubt her life will be an easy thing for her. I wonder if she will be offered a new identity since she has had death threats? I don't hate Casey, I don't feel anything towards people who don't own up to their bad deeds. Soon she will realize that life out of prison will be the hardest thing she will ever face in life. Even though she seems to have no conscience, we are all born with one and with that said Casey at some time in the future will be haunted by the evil she committed, and it won't be brought on by herself. Why do you think OJ wrote that book "If I had done it.....', he is haunted by what he did....
Why could the jury not convict her on the lesser counts of child abuse/neglect, etc if they were so hung up on having to dole out the death penalty based on the little bit of circumstantial evidence they had? They could have sent her away on that if they, as Jessica the jury pointed out, didn't believe she was innocent. They didn't have to acquit her of all but the misdemeanors.
Scott Peterson's jury convicted him based on what evidence was available and his behavior. People who are not guilty don't behave like they are. They don't lie to police and they certainly don't wait for 31 day to report a missing child they reportedly loved sooooo much. Is that love? You give a child absolutely no chance of survival if she's gone missing (and you didn't have a hand in it) so that professionals could possibly get her back alive. If it was indeed an accident, then why the cover up? Why not tell the police what happened? Because you think they'll accuse you of murdering her?Yeah because covering it up with the eventual discovery of her body will put you in the clear....what? C'mon people, innocent people DO NOT behave this way!
I understand that we don't know what happened, none of us were there but let's think here...as a reasonably sane person do you actually buy that she had no involvement in this? Do you really?
Amanda and BananaJama, funny you should attack me. I said I thought she was guilty. I would have never made the jury because I'm sure she's guilty. I don't set the standards for reasonable doubt, I didn't pick the jury, and I'm not responsible for her getting off. Her money she makes from this fiasco, will be reduced by all the costs and fines, and the real Zanny's lawsuit, which I believe she will win. I hope the real Zanny wins all of the money she gets, for screwing up an innocent woman's life. Casey Anthony isn't going to be rolling in money when all is said and done, and she will get to spend some more time in court, and I hope she is miserable. You owe me an apology, but I'm not holding my breath.
I hope those threatening her follow through. What a brain dead jury.
I was also appalled by her acquittal until I saw the interview of Juror number 3. I still cannot believe that not one person on the jury understood that if they found Casey guilty of any of the lesser included offences that Casey would not get the death penalty?????!!!!
The juror stated that they the jury did not find Casey guilty enough to give her the death penalty and that the verdict would have been different had the State taken the Death Penalty out of the equation. OH MY GOD!!!
Heart wrenching to be a juror? What about Caylee? The jurors did the wrong thing. If keeping your kid dead a secret for a month while you party and then finding the dead child in a ditch somewhere isn't reasonable doubt then I don't know what is.
Just because they found the body too decomposed to find out how the child died does not mean the child was NOT murdered. The child was found with duct tape and her death was not reported for a WHOLE month. What more do you need?
Thousands of men and women are in jail on circumstantial evidence right now. What magic thing did they do to deserve jail when Casey just walks free to make money on the case and, dare I say, live to have another child? If you think that idiot of a woman has sense not to have any more children you are sadly mistaken.
Maureen-2162031
... and this is where I take issue with nearly everyone who has followed this case with such fervor.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU.
Look, I'm sorry. It's a tragedy what happened to that poor little girl. However, @!$%# like this happens every day in America. The only reason any of you care is because of the national coverage.
THE ONLY INVESTMENT YOU HAVE IN THIS, IS YOUR LOSS OF TIME WITH YOUR TRIAL OBSESSION.
Please, for the sake of driving that little murdering bitch into obscurity ... move on.
Lol Chandra, you obviously don't know how the law works. The defense had to prove reasonable doubt, not the prosecution.
"Innocent" and "not guilty" are not exactly the same thing. "Innocent" would mean that Casey Anthony had no involvement whatsoever in the death of her daughter - and despite the verdict, I'm sure that many people will go to their graves believing that was NOT the case. "Not guilty" only means that the prosecution did not produce a strong enough case to warrant conviction. It might be helpful if courts brought back the third option that used to be available as a verdict - "not proven". That would have been the appropriate verdict in this case - that despite what the jurors' personal feelings may have been in this case, there wasn't sufficient evidence.
And speaking of the jurors' feelings - for me, it speaks to the integrity of their decision that they DID vote to acquit Casey. I have to believe that emotionally, all or most of the jurors must have WANTED to be able to find her guilty - but they put those emotions aside and made a decision based on the evidence, which is what they're supposed to do. Am I happy with that verdict? Hell, no - I still think Casey was complicit in some way in Caylee's death. But I wasn't on the jury, and I didn't hear all of the evidence.
Why isn't the whole family being charged with desecrating a body, filing false police reports, staging the scene of a crime, failing to report a crime etc...?
Their defense was that they staged the accident to look like a murder right? Those are completely different charges for a completely different crime, a crime which they have already confessed to.
Thankfully, this is not always true. We had a case here in Colorado where a father reported to police that his six-year-old daughter had run away from home after an argument with him over a cookie. (You can't make this stuff up.) When it turned out that no one had seen the little girl for a considerable period of time, the police started looking into the situation. Despite the fact that the child's body was never found, her father was found guilty of child abuse resulting in death and was sentenced to 114 years in prison. Google "Aarone Thompson" if you'd like more information on this case.
Because just because Casey, a convicted liar, said that's how it happened, does't make it so. And there is no independant proof that's how it happened.
FedupwithFed, people generally get to emotional and obsessed with trials like this and everything else goes out the window. Look at how many times the cops lied in courts settings (Mark Furman) and allowed to walk and still have a career. OJ Simpson lied in his statements in the death case of Nicole Brown and Ron and walked.
As for the judge in this case. He needs to be tossed out for turning this into a media mess and three ring circus. for me, he's just another Southern Attention Ho looking for as much atten he can get in the media.
We need to remove all cameras from the courtrooms.
When you don't have proof then there is no case. At this point everything is speculation.
The police botched the investigation and the prosecutor was incompetent.
Police: the body was discovered and reported to the police less than 2 months after the child disappeared,the police FAILED to recover the body in a timely manner. The body was ONLY 19 feet from the road and yet it was not recovered until 4 months after it was discovered and first reported.For 4 months the police knew the EXACT location of the body but never made ANY serious attempt to recover it.
prosecution: The prosecution allowed witnesses to create reasonable doubt by perjuring themselves.The prosecution was negligent by not requesting a mistrial after it was discovered that witnesses were perjuring themselves.
The sentences for the 4 misdemeanor charges is clearly just another example of how spiteful,petty and unprofessional the judge is.
all in all it was a shameful display of how NOT to conduct an investigation and trial. Judge cosby and the laughingman prosecutor should seek a refund of the money they have spent on their legal educations and law degrees, because they just got OWNED by a 25 year old, white trash, high school drop out, party girl.
PS: on a side note, maybe Florida should consider seceding from the union again,I think your chances of succeeding this time are considerably higher then they were in 1860.
I guess you all didn't read the story. Let me inform you: Casey Anthony was found not guilty of killing her daughter. NOT GUILTY!!! This means that the state did NOT prove that she killed her daughter. You may not like the verdict, but the state failed to prove its case. The state proved that Casey Anthony is a lier, but did not prove her to be a killer.
This judge, in imposing 4 seperate terms for the maximum, is just pandering to the public. She should appeal her sentence and get out early. Anyone else charged with these misdemeanors would have been given concurrent sentences and be out.
What I don't quite comprehend is the logic behind some of these juror's explanations.
They believed that Casey killed her daughter, but they don't think it was proven sufficiently.
Why would they believe she was guilty but that her guilt was not proven sufficiently? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Wouldn't believing someone is guilty result from a sufficient amount of proof? Isn't that kind of the whole point of proof?
Do we need a Hi-Def videotape to prove pretty white girls guilty in this country?
Although I don't agree with the verdict, this I do enjoy. I hate that woman.
Casey Anthony should take Nancy Grace to court for slander. She has repeatedly called Casey Anthony a killer (and other things.) Nancy Grace should have to prove everything she has said. IMHO, Nancy Grace has a very annoying tone and is just another talking head that should be silent.
For all of you asking about Caylee's Dad according to Cindy he wasn't involved in any way with his daughter and had recently passed away. Accident or not, no good mother is going to pack her dead child in a trash bag and chuck her out like a bag of garbage.
veryblessed:
Are you some kind of qualified lawyer??? If you are so knowledgeable as you proclaim to feel, then how come you weren't on the investigative committee, legal team, etc.? Or were you one of those court observation ticket holders with nothing else to do? All of this limited "Court of Public Opinion" comments proves the point I made. There are hundreds of cases out there that were found guilty when in fact they were innocent. They were victims that were originally found guilty because of overzealous prosecution not doing their homework properly and prejudiced people, who felt the person was guilty even before the trial started. The convictions were based on false facts and not concrete evidence. I just wonder how you'd feel if you found yourself in some legal mess, trumped up charges, or caught lying to the authorities, etc. No amount of money or time served in jail will bring the innocent child back to life. "No", Cassey is not innocent and was found guilty on 4 accounts of lying to the authorities (So stop playing the role of a Judgment Maker. That is God's final judgment job and not ours.) Cassey will pay a fine and serve the time for her 4 convictions. We don't always like the outcome with some decisions, but now it's time for you and society to move on and stop blaming the jury and others with emotional public opinions that lost control over the outcome.
Well it's over ( for now ).
When she faces her Maker for judgement, the outcome may be completely different. Only then will Caylee have justice done on her behalf.
In the meantime, I don't believe there is a rock or an island remote enough or safe enough for Casey.
The intent of the Justice System is to dispense justice. In this, they failed.
The justice system worked as designed, sure, but in this case it only points to the glaring flaws in said design.
When people as obviously guilty as Casey are set free because the system's 'design' was not sufficient to provide an avenue of proper conviction for her crime - that is a broken system.
Lol now that's some real irony.
The post 1.74 is a response referring to the post 1.39 made by veryblessed.
dirp,3 years as time served with good behavior she's out by the end of July or early August so calm your little heart.
Will be released July 13...and will be whoring it up in the Orlando nightclubs by July 14.
She may have gotten off in court, but she will one day meet her maker, and she WILL rot in hell!
@ Willowbrook
As opposed to the prosecution's "unsubstantiated stories and accusations"? That's all you people have is a theory and 80%+ convict Casy of murder. Just simply outrageous. Nobody even knows for sure how the kid died! How can you convict ANYONE for murder when you don't even know how the kid died?
You people just have chip on your shoulder and are taking it out on Casey. Worst of all, you all know it. So many leaps of logic it makes my head hurt. I am ashamed to live in the same country as you people. We're still just barely one step ahead of burning witches...
We don`t have a justice system in america we have a legal system. our system was designed to uphold legalities not to uphold justice. if by some fluke justice is served while the legalities are preserved and upheld then that's just a pleasant by product of the legal system.
Casey may be out from jail, but she will never be free---things like this work out in "odd" ways.
Now she will have to worry about saving her own life, as well as the parents.
What she has to offer to Society is a big question.
Who in America will ever Forgive her for "Innocent Before Proven Guilty", that she did indeed have something to do with killing her own child, Caylee--
Mothers, Fathers, and others, who murder their own innocent children, small or any age are the worst of humanity.
Her road after being out, will be the road to "Hell".
There is no repenting from Casey that will heal anyone's heart.
So now we have a second miscarriage of justice. She was sentenced to four years but given credit for "time served" and "good behavior". For one, I didn't know she's been in jail for four years already, and for another she had to be on her best behavior, she was on trial for her life and her legal team coached her to be on her best behavior!
So in a week she'll be free to resume her life as a party girl, dancing the nights away, having one night stands with anonymous guys, while forgetting she was once a mom who was responsible for no less than covering up her child's death while she partied and danced in clubs, and very possibly being a child murderer of the worst kind. Maybe she'll run into someone in the clubs who'll recognize her and perform "vigilante justice" after the fact...she'd be well advised to hire a bodyguard to walk behind her to keep an eye on her back...
Happens all the time. People can be convicted of murder based off skeletal evidence that shows no obvious signs of trauma if a person's behaviour indicates that murder was a likely cause of death (ie hiding the body, motive, suspicious behaviour) and also if the victim was believed to be otherwise healthy, which is more evidence that the death was likely murder or negligence, possibly accidental but hiding the body is considered indicative of guilt and can be used as evidence to support a murder conviction.
Interesting, shrink after shrink interviewed, believed Casey is a sociopath; in other words her mind is warped and she is a psycho. Fortunately, the vast majority of Americans in varying polls believe Casey is guilty of murder. I don't see how anyone can believe differently. How can she not be guilty - if the individual has the reasoning powers of, at least, a four year old.
Before juries are selected, they should undergo IQ tests and sanity hearings. NOw, another psycho has been unleashed. Don't ever forget, sociopaths can be very charming; therein is the clue. In criminal cases, psychos frequently receive lesser sentences because they can be so charming and good. They have no conscience and have no problem with lying, anything to achieve their desires.
What white trash county did these jurors spawn?
That's just symantecs. There is indeed a justice system in America as much as there is a legal system.
Here's a nice little paper on it, notice the first sentence.
But to follow that line of argument, it is logical to assume that the whole purpose of creating 'legalities' and the judiciary is for the purpose of dispensing justice in the fairest and most efficient way possible, otherwise what is the point?
eapeau - Yeah, you're workin really hard to avoid people that watch this when you're reading & commenting on the story. Just sayin.
& to all you nit wits saying she's being charged with lying because she lied about just her job, wrong. Did you not hear that idiot Baez say in opening statements that she knew Caylee was dead from day one? That's why she's charged with lying. All her lies about, Zanny the Nanny, the phone call, where she worked, everything. It was all even mentioned in the article. Glad people pay attention.
And she might get money eventually, but I'm not too sure considering Vivid entertainment (XXX company) had offered her a deal, but as soon as they saw the public reaction, retracted it because they realized NO ONE wants anything to do with the little bitch. In the words of Nancy, "So people like their porn, just don't want to see tot mom in it? That would bother them." lmao I love Nancy
Miss Anthony may be guilty of murder, or she may not be guilty of murder. The fact is: You really don't know. The prosecutor failed to prove his allegations of murder. He presented no witness, no strong motive, no evidence compelling enough to get a conviction. You make allegations against someone, now prove it. The only thing the prosecutor was able to prove was that Miss Anthony is a fool and that he is an even bigger one. If he really believed that she is guilty then he should have waited until there was evidence enough to prove it. His primary motive should have been to find out who the killer really was, or if it was accidental. He should not have proceeded with what he had. Thanks to this nitwit, we may never really know.
Maybe someone will stick a schiv in her between now and next week
DG-W:
If what you commented is true, then she will wind up back in jail. People like this, who have no conscience, trip up on themselves thinking they are above the Authorities/ Law, and have no moral rules to follow. One Mentally Ill individual.
Casey has just been thru H------------------; hopefully she will have grown up a bit, and make some kind of contribution to Society--this would be the other option.
I personally think she will disappear from sight. That is the only way she can survive. Her attorneys by report are going to protect her, find her a home, and make sure for the safety of her life---the parents as well. Legal business with Casey hasn't ended yet---more money to be made.
Dysfunction; is functional in this Case.
if she gets a movie ..the title gots to be ..how to kill your child and get rich.
Never, I would be willing to bet my life, Casey killed Caylee. Did you watch the entire trial?
eaupa:
People are fixated on this case; rightly so, because all Americans want to see Justice for a Mother killing her own child. Did she do it, or did she not?
People and families, alike are interested in this case because most families hin America are Dysfunctional, but unlike the Anthony's lives.
It is beyond belief that all of them would lie to save Casey--Casey included.
We are talking about an innocent child who was disposed of like a piece of garbage--the trial 34 days long, 66 witnessess, over and over again appearing on the witness stand. In Legal terms, that is unheard of in a Court of Law.
The Trial, the Prosecutors where shoddy at best. It peaks the interest of all Americans, because this is not a Movie Star, nor Pro Athlete, nor a killing Rapper.. She is one of us in our American Society.
Also, the dysfunctional family is very related to all our lives.
It was absolutely a SHOCKING Verdict. It will be remembered as one of the biggest, unjustified Verdicts of the Century.
Now isn't that important? Lies, and Innocent as an ending--No proof beyond a reasonable doubt. The Jury was responsible to follow the Law for deciding absolute evidence of a murder, and have no emotion toward Casey.
The Jury did their job. No proof or evidence.
Would you not say this is of importance to all people? No Justice and all the findings were there..
Fortunately, in our justice system, these things alone do not prove someone has committed a specific murder. Anyone can find a shrink or shrinks who will say something like that, and (thankfully) polls of Americans certainly do not decide the innocence or guilt of anyone on trial.
It is very interesting to me how many of you who were NOT in the courtroom seem to feel you know everything about the trial. You also seem to know everything the jury knew or didn't know. Don't forget that they were completely shielded from the media assault. The media tend to speculate an awful lot in order to make that next scoop, or hadn't you noticed? I paid minimal attention to the trial itself but it was impossible to escape it completely, and I was interested in the verdict. I just know how the media work and I know something about the law-there are several lawyers in my family. I may feel that Ms. Anthony was guilty as could be-and her behavior certainly did not appear innocent-but the evidence has to specifically link HER to the murder. If there is reasonable doubt that someone else could have used her car or computer or gotten duct tape or whatever-even if she did lie-the jurors may have felt unable to convict HER. (I know, that's not what the defense said at least according to the comments on here-but do we know EVERYTHING the defense said every minute of the trial or only what the media wanted us to know?)
We don't know that this whole thing is over at all. There could be civil suits or forthcoming charges against the family regarding other things that may have been said or admitted under oath (based on what I'm reading in the comments, anyway). It wouldn't be unheard of.
As for the bloodthirstiness of some of the postings, I am appalled. Do you guys really think you would be any better than Casey, who you consider a murderer, if you murdered HER or her family? I do realize most of this is a cry for justice and vengeance, but at least think about what you are really saying. Do you really wish for the curses you are calling down on Ms. Anthony? I'm certainly not defending her, but I do have a problem with seeking someone else's murder or with calling down curses on them. I'm far from perfect myself.
Nine extra days in jail and $4000 dollar fine. I don't care if it is the juries fault or not, that is not justice.
To believe that "Reasonable doubt" existed in this case is to excuse reason altogether. NO ONE loses a child and Say's nothing for 31 day's unless they are guilty. NO ONE who lies about what color the sky is (Sarcasm) should be allowed to make false accusations against another in open court without one shred of evidence.
I have read several posts here now from those willing to believe the "fantasy's" of this lair and murderer.
I doubt very seriously that the original foundation laid for our system and the idea of "Reasonable Doubt" was to give credence to unbelievable stories about people who did not exist and the excuses made for why this piece of human fith made them up. How many times will we have to sit through the "Daddy molested me" defense before we REQUIRE that allegation to be a proved "beyond a reasonable doubt? Do "The Menendez Brothers" ring a bell? At least that jury was not buying their line of shiznit.
I believe in our system of law, I believe we should be willing to explore every avenue of possible innocence or guilt... but to look at the circumstances and truth surrounding this case and allow that bitch to walk away a millionaire is an absolute failure and lack of common sense and decency on the part of the 12 idiots the sat for the jury.
Reasonable Doubt?..... I don't think so. What I saw was a Jury that bought the lies of a proved liar (found guilty and sentenced for it) and the fantasy her egotistical lawyers spun... Fools the entire lot.
One can only hope Casey Anthony steps in front of a speeding bus or falls down an dark and dank elevator shaft... That would be justice.
seen too much:
Your posting was good. The last paragraph, of which most Americans cannot relate your ration re: this subject..
The most heinous crime is to kill your own child, innocent, young and not having a conscience about the miserable outcome.
Of course, the posters are as you called them, "bloodthirsty".
This crime is vicious, unconscionable, and there was no Justice for whomever killed or helped Casey rid of the body. Everyone from the family lying to protect themselves from guilt.
There is no zeal in your postings for such a horrendous murder like this.. It's not like stepping on an "ant" and the ant dies.
Derek:
According to the Law, no Juror can convict a person on lies; there has to be absolute evidence, and there was none.
They did a great job, although they probably knew Casey killed Caylee--they followed the exact terms of Innocent until Proven Guilty.
The Jurors will have a hard time living with this Verdict. I sympathize with them.
In all likelihood, it won't be a schiv.
I am sorry but Justice did prevail...
The thing everybody who is RAAAGGGEEEing saying that it didn't forget that it works like this:
The prosecution didn't provide enough evidence to nail her. Prosecution has the burden of proof, not the defense. That means it is up to the Prosecution to prove guilt. All the Defense has to do is show there is room for doubt within reason.
The one everybody should be mad at is the Prosecution. They are the ones that failed. They are the ones that messed it all up. They are the ones that let her go because they did a half-arse job. They are the ones that blew it by providing insufficient evidence.
I am sorry, she isn't worth the rage. I hope she does get cancer and die a painful death and I'll laugh my ass off. (To anybody that bawws to that comment: Cry more. Your tears are delicious! LULZ@U) Or maybe she will die in a fire... or AIDS... or in ways that will make Freddy Kruger blush in shame.
"Casey Anthony was sentenced to four years in jail Thursday for lying to investigators, but she will be released July 13 due to credit for time served and good behavior."
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Not even. She'll be released before the end of the month.
Maybe someone'll pursue civil charges against her for liability of death, like they did when Blake was acquitted.
It's just a shame she'll be back breeding this year. I hope for the sake of all that she gets her tubes tied.
Can't the prosecution go for felony child neglect or child endangerment now that she has admitted that she panicked and hid the body?
Amazing. Little miss prim and proper and tidy dressed decided to show up today with her down looking like the murdering slut she is. Now the jurors say it made them "sick to their stomachs" to have to let her go. They just needed the guts to say guilty and they didn't have them.They didn't find her innocent,just not guilty. What a bunch of fruits. I just hope everybody who can sue the hell out of her does. Maybe she will be like OJ then. What ever she manages to get will belong to some one else. A killer getting time off for good behavior. What a disgrace.
Sun Tzu said it best
Haters gonna Hate
Either she is the smartest dame on the block (laf) or there was far more to this than was uncovered. In any case the prosecution should have set the expectations to the tax payers that she had to prove "Living the party life" can be considered a motive for murder. If she would have we, the tax payers, could have saved about 250K USD.
Bottom line...
She got 3 hots and a cot w/healthcare for 3 years+ to set her up for her million dollar paydays. Gotta love our system.
Its a shame that that incompetent bitch got away with MURDER! She chloroformed (sic?) that little girl and killed her. It may have been an accident that she killed her. She may have wanted to just knock her out for a while, while mommy went and got laid. Then she drives around with her in the back of the car decomposing for days, then abandons the car? That is evidence enough for me to say she is guilty.
Also, the police should be held liable for the failure in this case. If they would have gone into that woods and done a thorough search, they would have found Caylee while there was still usable evidence and her horrible mother would be on death row today. Instead, they didn't go in there because of rattlesnakes? What the hell?!!! What a bunch of wimps. You mean to tell me they would break into a house after a wanted crimnal that may have a gun, but they are afraid of a poisonous snake. Fire them immediately! Hell, call me on the next search in a wooded area with snakes and I will go in there and look. If I get bit by a damn snake, I will just go to the hospital and get some anti-venom.
Hawg....she cannot be tried for anything relating to the death of her daughter. Or for any of the 'not guiltys'. Double jeopardy. If she had taken the stand, however, and lied and was found to be 'not guilty' on the charges relating to her daughter's death, they could have charged her with purgery and locked her up for that. That is probably why she didn't take the stand. I've seen that happen before. But then she can't open her mouth without lying. And, yes, I think the police dropped the ball, BIG time. When child is missing, don't they normally search around the home-especially since they knew she was lying right away about the nanny. Even if they think the child is 'just' missing? AND when Roy Kronk called in August, they should have investigated properly. There may have been evidence to help prove the case better. The officer that went out for that call in August was fired. He should have been, for God's sake. He should be in trouble for hindering an investigation. AND, Casey, in one of her jail time videos, she told her parents 'I know she is close to home'......my first thought was of those woods. It was reported that one of her old friends, not the girl she buried her pets with, but another guy who had since moved from the area, said that they used to play in those woods and they should search there. I can't figure out why they didn't do all this right away. I think there is a HUGE problem in that. My son was missing 20min, and I had the police at my door and at the grade school-the school made an 'error' and 'lost' him $$^%$. I would have called after 10 min if I had known sooner. I wouldn't wait 31 min. to report my child missing. My point is that the police asked me for a piece of his clothing that had NOT been washed, in case they needed to have the dogs look for him. I nearly passed out when they asked for that. My son is special needs and he was found sitting in the office at school 45 min. later but that was the longest 45 minutes of my life. Long story about the school. Yes I was extremely livid. Long story. BUT, I called after 20 min. and they were already going to start searching the area. I can't figure out why they wouldn't have done that for Caylee.......just a thought...
Derek, good post and excellent powers of reasoning and logic. I know, the defense does not have to prove anything as the burden rests with the prosecution; however, did the defense prove Casey innocent of murdering her child?
I thought the prosecution vastly more credible than all the fiction created by the defense. I thought the defense told fairy tale after tale, about as credible & reasoning as Casey's lies.
I would think basic reasoning and logic would overshadow reasonable doubt. The root word here is, reason and reasoning, and the jury reflected none of this. I have not a shred of doubt she murdered her child, none, and I fail to comprehend how anyone could believe and think and reason differently. I think jurors should be given IQ tests and sanity hearings before taking a seat in justice and protecting the public from sociopaths and murdering psychos.
Derek - The jury obviously didn't believe comments made by her and that is why they convicted her of lying to the investigators. However, the prosecution obviously wasn't able to convince the jury that she was guilty of murder. Your mind was made up long before the trial started so it comes as no surprise that you are angry.
skor -
Huh? If the defense doesn't have to prove anything, why should they have to prove her innocence?
I'm sorry....but she was the last person to be with the child. The child was her responsibility. The child ended up dead.
Did the child kill herself and stuff herself in plastic garbage bags? I don't think so. Casey should have at LEAST been convicted of manslaughter. Now there will be no justice for this small, innocent child.
This is a sad day for the justice system. Do I think she did it? Without a doubt. But look at O.J. It took 12 years for karma to catch up to him. I pray the same for Casey.
The thinker, so whom do you think was more credible, more reasoning and reasonable and logical -- the prosecution or the defense? I rest my case. And, 80% of all Americans believe Casey murdered her child.
The defense was comprised of fiction and smoke screens to direct common sense and reasoning and evidence from the redneck, white trash jury. Some of the defense theories reminded me of smokey opium dens and pot parties.
The prosecution was not only more credible, but more intelligent in proving this sociopath guilty of murdering her little girl or only an idiot would think differently. No one had to be an Einstein to deduce Casey killed her little girl with premeditation.
To veryblessed:
When you or anyone offers to do something because of sincerely caring, then you should not expect to get paid for the task. To do so is superficially shallow, selfish, self-serving, self- righteous, and seeking out public attention to say the least. You offer out of the goodness of your heart, or sincerity of the objective. Furthermore, it is not physically possible for Cassey to have moved her daughter's body, since she was constantly monitored by the police and the their jail TV, unless you believe in a unique or futuristic skill of telepathic transportation, or whatever. Therefore, another person or persons were involved with moving the child's body (apparently not once, but at least twice or more times). Why did they move the body? Why wasn't Crock (or however you spell his name) questioned far more thoroughly over his finding of Caylee, especially when his ex-wife reported on record that she had been severely beaten and duct tape placed over her mouth by her ex-spouse (Mr. CrocK). That right there is indeed a peculiarly, strange sicking coincidental fact. And he even admitted on record that he found the little girl's body twice at a time when the area was so thoroughly scoured numerous times by many people. They couldn't find the body, but he did, twice. Was he guilty of "Obstruction of Justice"? Or others that may have moved the body at different times? Certainly the moving of the body is sicking as-well-as strange; but the police appears not to have followed through with more due diligence on the facts surrounding Crock's similarities, or other person's possible involvement in the death of Caylee. They just couldn't seem to concentrate beyond Cassey being guilty. To further comment on your above remark, Jesus in the Bible says: "Let anyone without sin be the first one to throw the first stone." The Public Court of Opinion has been very quick in doing so when they are not qualified as an expert, or worked on the case, or presented with ALL the so-called circumstantial or concrete facts (other than what was reported by the media, or leaked by the attorneys to the public). So it's time to stop fueling the fire with out of control emotional judgments. We don't always like the decisions made and we especially don't like to see the death of an individual regardless if it is an accident or murder. The latter just makes the event more profound. Also, I disapprove of anyone(i.e. alleged prisoner, police, investigators, experts or general witnesses, family, jury, court clerks, possibly the media in some respects, and all court officials) involved with the case should be allowed to greedily profit from the case. Such actions is nothing more than greedy hypocritical with self-serving intentions (i.e. A perfect example is the grand-standing prosecutor, Ashton, who was way too busy being out there on tours to be the first one televised nationally for paid interviews; but too busy to be in Court for today's sentencing as was Biaz in spite of his hectic schedule. Ashton just couldn't wait to profit, and possibly too busy before the trial ended with setting up the interviews rather than concentrating on the case. You'll notice, too, that Ashton (in denial) on National TV during the interview spoke very adamantly and was quick to blame the Jury for their decision (based on the Constitutional Laws over emotions) rather the truth of accepting full responsibility of himself or his teammates for their incompetent/incomplete work as-well-as simply did not meet the standards of concrete proof instead of all circumstantial evidence. Everyone needs to not fall prey to twisted or manipulated rumors regardless of the source and to keep emotions in check over the outcome. In a way this whole event has worked much like politics attempting to advance their point that is often with very good and lawful intentions, but too often with devious ways to obtain the outcome they believe it should be. Yes, we do not like the outcome, but all the Jurors did what was legally correct and for that alone I can show full respect. Now move on and leave all involved alone to recuperate and heal from an unfortunate event. Some will never live a normal life again. In the end God knows the truth and will deal with the final Judgment ("There's an old saying: "What goes around, comes back around !!"). Finally, God Bless little Caylee, who is now in the care of very good and loving hands.
To veryblessed and others:
My bad!! I forgot to include veryblessed's quoted comment in her post:#1.39 at the beginning of my posted response (# 1.116) to some of her statements, etc. Here is veyblessed's comment as follows:
When the death of an individual occurs, accidental or murder, all of us should care from the very beginning without the intentions of seeking fame or profit, and not waiting until after it has reached the public via media around the world.
To skor and others:
Were you there personally involved as a qualified expert to read and legally investigate all the so-called evidence that was not completely privileged for us to have ??? Both sides showed their inefficiencies and the prosecution proved nothing concrete by law. Therefore, I rest my case with the "Court of Know it all and emotional Public" opinions. Know for sure what you speak of, before spouting not proved circumstantial facts, and to quickly calling others idiots, which only reflects back to your naive remarks.
Florida.
The state were Dante Stallworth ran down a guy while driving drunk and it was the poor immigrant workers fault for having the audacity to cross the street in front of DS's Bentley.
And if you low life know it alls cant tell someone is guilty from her mom's 911 call, the only true piece of evidence in the whole case, you are a low life pos troll.
Sure no evidence for Murder 1 or Manslaughter, but no child endangerment? I suppose in Florida there is a special law for people in Orange County, that own pools. I suppose when you live in the rarified air your kids can accidentally drown in a pool and it isnt anyones fault. It must be the euphoria of living in such a wonderful party town, that was Casey's excuse, right?
I have watched that juror Jennifer a few times on FOX. I find her smug and in denial, a dangerous combination.
No justice for poor Caylee. A baby gets killed, the media whores it up, the whore herself gets off, and Geraldo gets ratings.
That is American justice for ya!
If your kid drowns in a pool, lets say out of sight for 10 minutes, 911 call saves the childs life 90% of the time.
If you dont call 911 you are denying your kid medical attention.
Another monumental fumble by the best justice system money can buy~!
It's all about profit and fame with media attention at the expense of innocent persons. It's amazing how the prosecutor in less than 24 hours is first on national TV with his snide, snickering laughing grin ( the same one that was shown) during the attorney's final summary comments.
To skor154:
To quote you:
It's a good thing you do not sit on the juries in FL, because your emotional opinions indicates a medieval witch hunt for Jurors in the "Court of Public opinion" that definitely would not pass the tests which you suggest. Both sides of attorneys as a rule have an expert on hand for selecting potentially good jurors based on their responses, etc.
she is so dam fine id love to hook up with this smokin hot lady , she is a very lucky lady and i would love to close to that kind of luck and that hot body , she is certainly a 10 on the ten scale any man that says different says so just because hes afraid of his girl and wears them strap on nutts...
The Jury acted in a sophisticated, mature, professional manner without the out- of- control emotions, and followed the law (although not always perfect). They served society (while giving up their work or personal time) to do a job well done under the legal guide lines. We don't have to like the outcome. However, we do need avoid calling the jury or others invalid and derogatory names. Otherwise, those bullying, schoolyard tactics, attempting to downgrade others with the grand-standing name calling only reflects back on those name callers. Especially, when the Jurors were the ones taking the time to serve society knowing that they'd most likely have to face an already unqualified, prejudicial populace, who were often informed by rumors or some very biased media information put out for the purpose of profit and ratings. These tactics of illogical thinking are so similar to what is done in politics and voting. Move on to something more productive and leave the Jury alone! They did what they were required to do.
The hanging judge media have been disappointed. They have tried with this and the O.J. trial to make the public as blood thirsty and contemptuous of the law and democratic principles as they are but they failed. The verdict proves some part of the public is uncorrupted by the endless stream of garbage and lies that flows from the corporate media.
Good going to the Casey Anthony Jury! You did your job in spite of a lot of pressure not to.
The acquittal of Casey Anthony
By David Walsh
8 July 2011
The acquittal Tuesday of 25-year-old Casey Anthony in Orlando, Florida, on charges of murdering her young daughter in June 2008, points to a fact of some social significance. While the authorities and the media in the US regard democratic norms and elementary legal safeguards as obstacles to be gotten around, the population by and large still takes these matters seriously.
The Anthony case has been at the center of the most recent American media frenzy, by now a thoroughly predictable and deplorable phenomenon. Cable television talk show hosts, such as Nancy Grace of CNN's Headline News, did everything in their power over the course of months to blacken Anthony's name and bring about her conviction. These are scoundrels without a shred of decency.....
....There is no shortage of mass anger and dissatisfaction in the US, whose principal source, in the final analysis, is the rapid deterioration and even breakdown of the conditions of everyday life. The monopoly of the political discourse by two right-wing, pro-business parties, impervious to popular suffering, precludes honest and healthy debate over any important social matter. Desperate to divert attention from the growing social disaster, the media seeks to provide seething discontent a malignant outlet.
Individuals who may feel helpless about the overall state of life or their own personal circumstances are encouraged to vent their frustration at officially chosen scapegoats. The American mass media, useless as it is when it comes to presenting the truth about contemporary events, is skilled at sniffing out the vulnerable, the wretched, the damaged soul whose personal misfortunes will serve for a week or a month to distract the most confused layers of the population—those layers, ironically, most similar in their social and psychological vulnerability to the chosen victim! Many of the individuals now shouting or emailing "Justice for Caylee!" are really demanding, only falsely and not understanding why they are outraged, justice for themselves. The only consequence of such a campaign is more law-and-order hysteria, new reactionary laws, and the further mystification of social reality....
.....Reuters points to the role of Headline News (HLN) and Nancy Grace in particular. "When the trial started in late May, HLN was mired in a ratings slump, facing a double-digit dip in ratings year-to-year. Grace's passion became the channel's way of ending its slump."
Al Tompkins, senior faculty member for the Poynter Institute's broadcasting and online group, told the wire service, "It's just unforgivable the amount of vitriol that has come from her show [and] that has now permeated the entire channel … There was no room for them for anything other than a guilty verdict.".....
....Grace, a former prosecutor in Georgia who was cited three times by appellate courts for misconduct (a Bush-appointed judge wrote that she "played fast and loose" with the rules), has made a name for herself as a demagogue and scandalmonger....
....The venom continues unabated. Her thorough discrediting in the Anthony case will have no effect. And there is nothing to choose between Grace and a dozen others. These are the professional befoulers of the public consciousness, viciously anti-democratic zealots, fascistic elements.
The main body of the American media, including Grace and her ilk, embody what is worst in American life. They relish the spectacle of a death sentence, to gain ratings, to demoralize the population. Part of Grace's verbal violence is aimed at intimidating juries. Fortunately, the overwhelming majority of the American people do not operate at the moral level of these figures.
The Casey Anthony jury followed its best instincts, but to defeat hardened reaction in America demands more than that, the growth of socialist understanding and conscious opposition to the rotten social order that breeds such filth.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/jul2011/anth-j08.shtml
An -- Well, you can classify this anyway you wish, but Einstein, you represent the minority, the low minority of thinking, reasoning and basic logic of most Americans. Casey had motive and opportunity, and just based on common statistics, most murders are committed by people who know the individual, and family comes in first. With murders of children, mothers present first. Just like Susan Smith who fell in love with a man who didn't want her children, and all the pyscho mothers who kill their children, and Casey is a sociopath or psychopath. duh
Everything presented pointed to Casey -- from the 5 weeks she failed to report her baby missing to lie, after, lie, after lie. To her partying and living it up, to everything wrapped around this rotted child's body taken from Caylee's bedroom, including the surround on the crib and the blanket, and the laundry bag to her own mother frantically saying on the 911 tape that something was terribly wrong, and the car, duh, Einstein, Casey's car smelled like a dead body, duh and many murderers have been sentenced to murder one without even a dead body and with pure circumstantial evidence. Far less evidence presented in this case. Duh, what a bunch of idiots, who cannot margnally deduce, reason and present logically and normally.
Based on statistics, evidence and circumstances and motive and opportunity, how could Casey not be guilty unless the jurors are utterly and completely, rednecks and white trash and dumb as dog poo poo.
I'm Oh SO Happy Casey is to be Free now! — But she may not be so lucky the next time she tries something like that!
ArchStanton:
Outstanding comment and thanks for presenting the excellent article from David Walsh, which I had not read. The explanation hits the target dead center with the problems in our complicated society. And then we wonder why there is so much bullying and murder in schools while the adults are too often acting like childish fools. The children just follow the role model adults they see at home, in the neighborhood, in politicians, and especially in the media. Our adult society needs to set far better examples of appropriate behavior for the children to see, respect, and hopefully follow as they mature. One just has to look at public role model behavior in Congress, among other politicians (local, State, or National), among big businesses, etc. to grasp this concept of not presenting good, decent behavior for observation by our children, the future adults, who will someday lead this great Country to it's success or demise.
Read carefully skor 154 and then you may have some idea of why this behavior is not acceptable and 100% not appropriate. The names you call others only reflects back on your insecure deficiencies.
To skor 154 post # 1.126:
Your comment in post #1. 128 to quote you just proves the point I made about the lack of respect and poor behavior in our society.
The Jury followed the guide lines and the Constitutional Laws as provided by a very strict Judge.
To skor 154:
The posting I made about your last comment should have been written as # 1.126 and not as I incorrectly wrote (# 1.128) in the first line/sentence of my comment posted #1.129.
1. Find out what law school these Prosecutors attended and make sure you never hire anyone from that school. Obviously, they're not teaching their students well enough to properly try a case like this.
2. I'm betting that laws are going to start popping up designed to get convictions in other cases like this. Like for concealing the death/disappearance of a child, whether accidental or purposeful.
There's been no justice for Caylee, but that doesn't mean this mistake needs to be repeated.
Once again skor154 - Touché
I have tried to understand how the jury could acquit Casey, from any responsibility, for her daughter’s death, and now I finally understand…
Last night on the News, one of the Jurors actually said that “We could not convict Casey of 1st Degree Murder, so we had to come back with - Not Guilty”.
REALLY… You mean to say that they slept through ALL-OF-THE-OTHER charges that the judge read, that they could have found Casey guilty of.
I think it is a stretch, but I can see how they might have doubts about the 1st Degree Murder charge. But the jurors even said they believed she was guilty, to some degree.
I still have to say that the jury was baffled by the BS, and they bought into it.
Well, to all you jurors - I hope you remember for the rest of your days, that from the MISTAKE you made, you GOT IT WRONG, and cut a Murderer loose.
Looks like too many people just hit the 'Reply' button. It's hard to navigate this thread when so many posters piggyback off the same original post. To look at it, 133 people replied to just one comment. Each progressive post ends up being a 'reply' to the one before it, making it impossible for anyone to reply to any other comment inside of those first 1.133.
Thanks, Rockjock, for taking some initiative and ending the trend.
Tom-673478
Are you a legal expert on the Constitutional Laws ? If you don't like the laws, then do something legally about changing it, which is what I understand that FL is now trying to do with the Caylee Law. The Jury followed the Law versus showing their emotions such as you. Were you out there on a daily basis doing the investigating? Are you some kind of technical criminal expert, who had the privilege and access to all of the information? Probably not from your comments. Even the Jury had to leave the court room several times and were not privy to what was then discussed. So why would you or the rest of the public be granted access to all of the information? The only concrete evidence was the lying to the authorities, and she was found guilty on all 4 of those counts. Get over it because emotions do not rule; but the Law does even though most the Right Wing and some on the Left may think differently when it applies to them. I suggest that you try reading the post # 1.125 by ArchStanton again more carefully. Do you vote in the same emotional judgmental manner based on all that media, ads, or rumors have to say?
Technically it would be either "gut wrenching" or "heart rending". "Heart wrenching" is not a correct term.
I hope you`re wrong. We have enough damn laws already controlling and restricting the lives of honest people. We need less government intrusion in our lives not more!
One last time, for the several people above who mentioned it: the defense DOESN'T HAVE TO PROVE INNOCENCE. EVER. They could sit there on their hands and wait for the prosecution to fail all on it's own. Virtually every defense involves presenting an alternative set of circumstances and facts designed to get jurors thinking, but they don't HAVE to prove ONE SINGLE THING in court. It is SOLELY on the prosecution to PROVE GUILT, period. If they can't or don't prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt - of which there was PLENTY in the case of Casey Anthony - then the accused walks.
That is the way it has been forever, all across this land. You can complain or moan or bitch forever, but it won't do you any good. Even after this verdict, we still have the fairest and best overall system of justice in the world. That doesn't mean it's perfect, or that it ever will be. But there is no better way out there, as of yet.
For the most part I'd agree with you but concealing the death of a child SHOULD be illegal.
amen!
People who obey the law and care about there kids would not be one bit impacted by such a law.
Dear - An Independent Thinker,
I first want to thank you for your response.
Why you ask?
Because I openly admit that I could be wrong, in my deduction of what transpired. And I welcome a point of view that Logically & Reasonably Proves me wrong. But, thus far I have NOT seen one.
Do I feel strongly about this? YES I DO…But only because I have seen all the FACTS (as I am sure you have), and I can come to NO OTHER Logical conclusion.
Consider this:
- Casey was Solely Responsible for this little girl - who DIED - on Her Watch.
- Casey NEVER reported Caylee missing, and in fact it was only her mother Cindy that reported Caylee missing.
- Casey Blatantly LIED about the reason behind Caylee’s disappearance. She held on, and embellished this LIE until it was proved a LIE.
- Casey Blatantly LIED about working as an event planner at Universal Studios.
- Searches were found on her computer for – “how to make chloroform”.
- Casey was out Partying like she just didn’t care; following the Admitted date that Caylee DIED.
- Cindy Anthony committed perjury to protect Casey.
These are just some of the FACTS – And they are “Undisputed”.
This paints a picture of Casey’s attitude, and the kind of life she was living. So, the question is - why did she do this.
Defense presented an Explanation – at the last minute – that the reason for Casey’s actions was because of Abuse. This really becomes the deciding factor, and is the only thing that makes the Defense’s theory work. Obviously you believe that abuse is/was the cause of Casey’s Web of Lies, and the ultimate cause of Caylee’s Death.
Well, I DO NOT!
Just because Defense throws this story against the wall and it sticks, does not make it so. It is BS, and it stinks…
Thus, these are the Undisputed Facts, and they all point towards Casey’s Guilt.
And then I watched an interview with a Juror yesterday, and she said that the reason they came back with a NOT GUILTY verdict was because they couldn’t convict Casey of 1st Degree Murder, implying they did not even consider the other charges that the Judge explained they could use.
So, these are the reasons I feel the way I do. Prove me wrong…
This whole story is sad. A mother who parties and lives it up drinking and dancing in bars for about one month while NOT reporting her baby girl missing is not just a bad mom but is criminally guilty of SOMETHING and in this instance is guilty of murder IMHO. I hope that any money she makes is taking away from her for investigation and legal costs and/or in a potential civil suit. Also, I couldn't believe that the defense attorneys were drinking champagne across the street from the courthouse and high-fiving each other celebrating their win in their case in which a baby girl was killed.
Just disgusting!
Is it disgusting to you that the defense attorneys did their job in representing their client to the best of their ability? Or is it disgusting they were celebrating their success in representing their client in much the same manner as every other person in the US celebrates major career successes?
Or is it more disgusting that the DA's office, who had unlimited resources at their disposal to obtain evidence and witnesses that would secure Ms. Anthony's conviction, failed to do so, and utterly failed to present a competent case for the jury to consider?
Or is it disgusting that forensic evidence experts were unable to link Ms. Anthony to any piece of evidence tied to the child, given the youth and ignorance of the suspect?
Is it disgusting that the jury found the DA had failed to prove anything more than a suspicion that Ms. Anthony had something to do with the death of her child, and therefore in good conscience could not convict her of the charges?
It is possible - hell probable - that you are disgusted about something of which you have very little, if any, understanding or knowledge, and about whom you are willing and ready to believe anything which casts them in a bad light.
People who are disgusted by the actions of others - who invest themselves emotionally in others' actions for whatever reason - tend to be disgusted by those actions because they see something similar - some similarly disgusting action - in themselves. Hmmmmmmmm....
Not defending their actions but if you were Baez and you just pretty much tripled your going salary in 3 months work you would be drinking champagne too.
They did the job they were hired to do. That's the defenses job...to get their client acquitted! Baez did it!! Right or wrong....he did it.
Dean what a cold stoned good little Liberal you are. Maybe you are fixated on a whore load catcher, some how hoping this scumbag will call you. Maybe you and the load catcher could have a child together, see how that works out.
LIBERAL??!!!! HAHA! Realist, yes! Emotionally motivated to call people names and threaten them with all manner of harm? Nope!! I have no emotional investment in this matter, and I have seen too often the role emotions play in the stupidity of people. Before the days of civilized humanity, hominids responded to every occurrence in their lives with unfettered emotional outbursts. Civilization indicates a people who are sophisticated enough to avoid being stirred up by someone who would manipulate them to act using emotional ploys and plays. If you aren't sophisticated enough to see the truth without becoming emotionally vested in something, you are nothing more than an uneducated, ignorant, and used redneck, now aren't you?
Dean, you took the words right out of my mouth. Most of these idiots have been whipped into a frenzy by Nancy DisGrace. People, does this affect you or your family? No? Then STFU and get on with your lives. None of you actually know what happened, and just like the prosecution, you can only SPECULATE. And that's exactly why she was found NOT GUILTY. Ah, mob mentality is surely a thing to behold.
First of all Baez did not win because "he did his job" he actually won because the prosecution just could not prove their case and had no evidence proving she actually did in fact murder her child. He was a joke of an attorney. Pure luck.
I believe Dean is correct. All the legal pundits view the verdict as correct based on facts and evidence presented. The justice system worked as designed. If you accuse me of a crime then prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Not evidence that says I may have done it or probably did.
soupy55 - why is that when a lot of people are put in their place and have nothing intelligent to contribute, they further prove their ignorance and immaturity by name calling and finger pointing?
Has anyone here ever served on a jury? If so, then you'd realize the jury can only deliberate with what facts they were given. The prosecution didn't provide the evidence to convict BEYOND ALL REASONABLE DOUBT. There were far too many holes and the jury really didn't have a choice but to acquit. This is the way it should be.
You should never, ever convict someone on emotion alone. EVIDENCE is what the jury is told to work with.
If you hate our justice system so much - then you are perfectly welcome to live somewhere else and see how good (or bad) that country's justice system is.
To threaten the family is just plain wrong. People need to get a grip. Yes, it is sad this little girl is dead - she never should have died. I wish we could have gotten some closure on this, but we may never know just what happened.
The prosecution failed at their job. Blame them.
In a country like Iran I can go to an official plant some "evidence" saying you committed a crime worthy of death (which can be so simple as you were spying) slip him some cash and you are gone. I personally like the justice system we have in the U.S..
Exactly! And how much money has Nancy made off of this little girl's death? But the mob doesn't ask that question, because Nancy feeds them what they need.
Go get a life people. And if blame is indeed your game, blame the prosecution. They are supposed to represent the victim. But that's not what they did for little Caylee: they chose notoriety for themselves instead. If they'd gone after Casey with third degree murder, they would have gotten a conviction.
Everybody has used this little girl for their own gain; from the mother on down to you, the mob. That's the most sickening part of the whole thing.
Good for her. In a couple months she will be free and able to make her millions. He lawyer wil be rich soon too now that he has proven the Chewbacca defense truly is applicable to modern day Legalities.
A freaking waste of breath, Casey deserves nothing, and Caylee deserves justice, nothing less.
I think that the point in the original post was that the defense should have shown some tact and discretion in their celebrating since the case was over the death of a small child. Do they have the right to celebrate their win? Absolutely. But they could have been a little more sensitive and done it in private.
This case is over. Done. Nothing can be changed. It's time to move on. There is zero doubt in my mind that Caylee was abused/neglected at some point in her life before she died. So, let's focus on protecting the kids are haven't yet been killed by their abusive parents/family/guardian/teacher/caregiver/priest/coach. No one was able to save Caylee, but let it be a lesson to us all to pay attention to what is going on around us and TAKE ACTION when a child is abused and/or neglected before they end up dead with their picture paraded around in a global media circus! You people really should stop fighting.
What I find interesting is that all during the trial, she sat there with her hair pulled back, in a neat little bun, looking like the picture of sedate innocence. On the from page of MSN today, where they show a picture of her coming to court for this sentencing, she has a sweater dress type outfit, long ponytail slung over her shoulder. Now she looks like the tramp she is, ready to party, and move along.... if I had any doubts this removed them all. I realize court appearances are essential because we do judge on appearance, and to go from "libarian lady" to "ready to be free" shows what kind of character she has... or does not have.. she didn't even make an attempt to look like she was sedate..
Nick opines: "Maybe one day you will be convicted of a crime that no one can prove you committed. And you were innocent. I can hear the whining now."
No, sorry....not going to be in the position of having to explain why my kid was missing for 30+ days while I was partying or why my car was abandoned with the smell of a corpse evident to even laypeople or why my kid was thrown in the woods to rot or why the nanny I made up was a lie...etc etc. So law abiding citizens people get caught with such troubling facts damning them everyday enough that this case should give comfort? Try again, apologist.
I would not put someone to death if I had a doubt the size of a mustard seed as to their guilt or innocence. Death is too final to be flippant about it!
My thoughts exactly. I think Dean just wanted to try and show off a little uber-intellectualism.
While celebrating a win is never a bad thing, the manner in which the celebration is what is in question with the above poster's remark I believe. Mr Baez threw enough scenarios out there and got the jury to question the prosecutions case....kudos to the defense team. To raise a toast directly after winning of a case in which your client is accused of murdering her little child? Meh, sorry Dean & Co but I think there is a tremendous lack of tact with that gesture. I'm not implying that the defense team shouldn't congratulate each other but let's not do it while the wound is still fresh, hmm? It just seems callous.
That was my first reaction to the picture of her in court as well. All during the trial, she had her hair pinned up and wore these demure little outfits so the world could see what a "good girl" she was. Now that she's been acquitted, she shows up in a skin-tight, low cut, mini-skirted outfit. Guess which one of these images is the REAL Casey Anthony?
Wrong. Partying while your daughter is missing is NOT criminal, though it is disgusting and heartless. It is not illegal to be disgusting and heartless, and it does not make you guilty of murder.
Can you imagine what this country would be like if we could charge people for crimes they didn't commit simply because they didn't behave 'appropriately' and as expected? A mother is expected to show concern and use every available resource to find her missing child. If she doesn't do so, that doesn't automatically make her guilty of murder, no matter how disgusted we may be with her.
The justice system did its job, and did it successfully, without the influence of popular opinion.
Hey, it's happy hour somewhere!
That's her job. Who would watch her if she didn't stir up the crap?
"Wrong. Partying while your daughter is missing is NOT criminal, though it is disgusting and heartless. It is not illegal to be disgusting and heartless"
WRONG, Accipiter. It IS criminal - children come with responsibilities to take care of and not endanger them as enforced by our laws. And even if you'd rather believe the defense, who didn't prove their wild story & allegations and where Casey's Mom was clearly perjuring herself, a parent is not allowed to judge if a child is too past dead to not call the paramedics/rescue. Or to conspire to cover up anything criminal like neglect or dumping the kid in the woods. Am speaking to your assertion about that "not being criminal" only.
Fishmail - can you show me the law that states it's criminal to not show a certain level of concern when your child is missing? Yes, parents are required to care for their children, but it is NOT illegal to be happy when your child is missing instead of upset. There are no laws criminalizing partying instead of searching.
It IS heartless, but as I said before, being heartless is not illegal. I'm not defending Casey as a mother - I think she is a terrible person for her reaction (or lack thereof) of her child's disappearance when it happened, but that doesn't automatically make her the murderer.
I really get tired of individuals who feel they have to go after the jury when they don't like the outcome of a trial. That some how, without even knowing those individuals, they just have to be "confused", or some state stupid, ignorant etc. The juror just can't understand it as good as they do! Especially when those individuals see snit bits on the news. More than likely have never ever been on a jury in a Death Penalty case or probably not on a jury at all. For some reason believe that 12 people + alternates who sat through the trial and were face to face with ALL the evidence, no far less then they do. Now who's the confused ones????
In this country we are not suppose to determine guilt from snit bits in the news, which everyone on this board is doing. In this country it is not up to the jury to make the case of each individual charge. That is up to the prosecuting attorney. This prosecutor & coroner did not supply evidence needed to link to one of the charges other than lying. We all including the jury know she's involved with it, but to what degree? When? Why? & Where? Three adults lived in that home, had access to the car, garbage bags, & duct tape. How are you so certain that it was Casey? What proof do you have?
While you debate this case, which is only on TV because its a middle class disfunctional family in a middle class neighborhood with a cute little girl, not to mention to many people in this country just love a great reality show these days, according to the American Anthropological Association, more than 200 women kill their children in the US each year. Three to five children a day are killed by their parents. Homicide is one of the leading causes of death of children under age four. And I am sure, there are many of those that walk away, not because of the jury, but because the prosecutor did not prove his case based on the charges the prosecutor wrote. So since this crime was committed...approximately 3285 children have been murdered by a parent.
That's what you should be spending your energy on, finding a way to stop this from ever coming to trial. Pay attention to what's going on in your own neighborhood, not in another state that is 1000's of miles away from you.
Sure - but it sure does put an enormous blinking light-up sign above her head that says MURDERER. I mean really now?
Child missing for over a month and doesn't tell anyone, when question she makes up bullsh!t stories, shows little to no worry about her daughter's whereabouts, impedes the discovery of her child's corpse by providing false information, abandons her corpse stanking car, hair found in the vehicle with matching familial DNA with post-mortem banding (ie corpse hair), more lies and made up bullsh!t than one can believe....
I mean really now guy... really? really.... what about that can be contrued as anything other than guilty behaviour?
All of that evidence screams guilty, and don't forget all the research about a drug that can conveniently be used to sedate a person, especially a small annoying child.
@FEDUPFRED-
Casey...Is that you???? HAHA! You are ridiculous! You are sooooooo on Casey (a cold hearted killer)'s side! WOW! You must not have kids...or a soul. People like you, heartless and idiotic are what is wrong with this case.
Oh well, there's a place for people like you :) Enjoy! Hahaha!
blah blah blah....The prosecution never produced any credible material evidence so you guys can say whatever you want.... the fact is she definitely did something...there's no denying that but the court and the legal system determined she's not guilty of murder so...no matter how you cut it, by law, she's not a murderer. crappy mom yeah, liar yeah, screwed up yeah, murderer no.
@maine & vicki
I get such a kick out of your comments. She's in a blue sweater with her hair down that is far from revealing. My boss wears far more lower cut blouses all the time at work. What is so wrong with you people that you actually pysically SEE things different than a normal person?
You are so convinced of her guilt that somehow your screwed up mind sees a person dressed normally, you internally scale down their dress, and then write a post declaring as fact that she's dressed as a tramp. I mean you actually have serious psychological issues when that's happening to you. That's not even a tounge in cheek joke. You're actually seeing things different than normal people because you're clouded by rage! It's insane!
We watched every minute of this trial. No one has to be an Einstein to logically and sanely see that this sociopath killed her child. Therein is the problem. A crime expert maintains that psychos receive lesser sentences because they are charming and lie so well. People like individuals without consciences because they are human charmers. And, have no problems lying...
The good news is, in poll after poll, the vast majority of Americans believe this wacko is guilty of killing her child, and everyone is maintaining, the jurors are low IQ'd, white trash. Perhaps, jurors should be submitted to IQ tests and sanity hearings.
It is time, this nation's intellectuals stopped wiggling out of jury duty because psychos are a real threat to society, and not every American possesses the brains to unfold the truth. Frankly, I am stunned, anyone would find her not guilty of murder.
Brooklyn, I highly disagree; I don't see how anyone, with the logic and reasoning at the level of a 5 year old, could find her not guilty. I thought the prosecution produced much logical evidence while the defense produced many smoke screens to obfuscate the evidence. What real, hard evidence was there, Casey is innocent? Even Casey's own mom in her 911 call when she discovered Caylee had been missing for over a month said "something is wrong here" and Casey's car smelled like a "dead body". Well, who was it that had died? Who had motive and the opportunity?
And the Anthony's own attorney let it slip, even her own parents thought she was guilty! Basically, I cannot understand how anyone, with even limited logic and reasoning, could find her not guilty of first degree murder.
For me, the prosecution overwhelmed all the little contrived ramblings of the defense. Crafted to direct attention from the prosecution and their evidence, and to steal the focus of idiots and low IQ's on supposition and lies. Duhhh, countless dysfunctional families exist but never produce a sociopathic, child murderer.
The prosecution's evidence was far more credible than the heresay of the defense...
I agree with Dean.
And honestly, while this is a real travesty, I don't think this has much bearing on anything in the 99.9% majority of people's lives. We all need to let this case go away, because 1) It doesn't help anything; 2) Not give this b!tch any more attention.
Aceipiter challenges w/"Fishmail - can you show me the law that states it's criminal to not show a certain level of concern when your child is missing?"
Way to soften what she did into a passive act and not showing a "certain level" of concern when it was proven that she not only provided ZERO concern (more like elation) until caught but that she actively hid that the kid was missing for weeks before and after being caught in lies. And was impedeing an investigation over the missing child. CAPTA, which Florida takes part in, inspired laws that define mandatory reporting and criminal neglect when not reporting it leads to harm.....wanna bet death by either the defense's drowning claim or the prosecution's asphixiation & anesthetics claim is covered as harm?
But of course you're an apologist again only making it into Casey "not show a certain level of concern when your child is missing". What an understatement.
And this is why you would - suitably - never be allowed to serve on a jury in the United States.
And Fishmail - My responses to you are from the viewpoint of someone concerned with the fairness of the justice system. If we allow mob mentality into the justice system, everything falls apart. Consider this quote from Voltaire: "It is better to risk sparing a guilty person than to condemn an innocent one."
Soupy55 you are right. They probably have a stiffy for little miss prim and proper. She should take the job the low lfe trash at vivid offered her. She would fit right in. Then all of her admirers could see it all and have a whacking good time.
"And Fishmail - My responses to you are from the viewpoint of someone concerned with the fairness of the justice system."
And my responses were calling out the injustice to the child - that her mom did worse than not call for help but covered up whatever happened and that impediment to the investigation and non reporting it - that was arguably criminal, wasn't argued or charged effectively, and was botched by the DA going for all or nothing charges.
"If we allow mob mentality into the justice system, everything falls apart."
I agree but why leap to citing mob rule to me in our debate? I didn't call for any pitchforks or torches when calling out your apologist statements as just that.
"Consider this quote from Voltaire: "It is better to risk sparing a guilty person than to condemn an innocent one.""
Am well aware of that famous quote (Franklin, Voltare ,et al) and it is a good rule of society and jurisprudence HOWEVER don't let quips like that be any excuse for what happened and the overly optimistic charges made on a guilty person not convicted of that...one just guilty of things not charged and certainly not defended. You might consider Horace's caution that “Acquittal of the guilty damns the judge(s)” and more recently MLK's admonishment that “One who condones evils is just as guilty as the one who perpetrates it”. That there was perjury involved in defense testimony makes this disturbing at best. That and legal parental criminality what some of us are arguing....to bring up "mob rule" in such debate is throwing in a red herring as again I never called for any mob like actions. You claim your responses to me are "from the viewpoint of someone concerned with the fairness of the justice system". Well mine are in observation of the INjustice to the kid tossed out and lied about by her mother like she was rid of some unimportant disposable garbage. That's not a lousy mother - it's a monster. Was "justice" really served or was a court-room play - played out despite justice for the real victim. That's where many feel there was a gross failure to justice.
As to those saying she did not report her child missing..
Where was DHS during all of this? DHS takes your kid if you are guilty, innocent, whatever. They can do what the courts cannot because they fabricate reports via "professionals".
But we are completely missing the point here. The lawyers high fiveing was cool. They used the Chewbacca defense and it worked. If you are not familiar with the Chewbacca defense Southpark put it in its simplest form.
The defense is genius in this case. They managed to get this hottie off on a murder charge that 87% of America (Chicago Trib poll) say is guilty as sin. i would be high fiveing and scheduling my private time with her on July 13 after she is released to start paying her bill Monica Lewenski style.
Brooklyn, did you know, many murderers have been convicted of first degree murder with far less evidence, including never finding the body? IMO, I think the jurors were total idiots. Normal reasoning, common sense and logic should prevail over so-called reasonable doubt. I watched the entire trial and had no doubt, none so whatsoever.
An eighty percent conviction rate is the norm when they find a body that is nothing but a pile of bones and has been found after six months, with NO CAUSE OF DEATH. And, they gather circumstantial evidence, and most murder cases are, circumstantial as it is uncommon for a murder to have credible eyewitnesses. An 80% conviction rate without cause of death, and 80% of the American populace believe Casey is guilty. REgardless!
Dean,
Another selfserving know it all troll.
Here is one for ya.
What do you call someone, with an equally limited amount if information, calling out others for something that they themselves lack?
I guess you call yourself Dean.
If you support the defense then say so. We dont need nor care to here your idiotic opinion that people that arent like minded somehow lack information.
You sir are an elitist.
Oh and I find your support for the baby killer abhorrent and I personally hope you are a Christian. Im sure your maker will appreciate your views.
To Vickie-2653645:
To quote you in post #2.22:
Take a good look at what daughters wear to school with their parents' approval which is far more skimpy, and far more revealing than what Anthony wore at the sentence hearing. Then take a good look at what the sons wear to school, also, with their parents approval of baggy torn pants hanging on the ground and rear cracks showing publically to the rest of the children. I'd call that indecent exposure that calls for an arrest. Does that make them murders or whores? Do we judge those same children or adults wearing inappropriate clothing to school or work in the same way you judged Cassey's clothing at the sentencing hearing (that appeared more decent than what many wear to school, publicly, or in the office)? Try answering those 2 questions for yourself before becoming the Judge of what Anthony wore versus the adults' acceptance of such indecent school clothing, or work office apparel.
To Mainebound and VickiC 2653645:
To quote Mainebound in post #2.18:
Now go back and look again at the video on the msnbc site (at the very bottom of this posting) that was taken at the same hearing which you are referring to:
First and most importantly: The video shows that Cassey is not wearing her hair in a pony tail slung over her shoulder as you claimed in your post.She does have a very small bun at the top of her head in the back.
Second : The v-neck in the front of Cassey's top reveals none of the skin on her bosom (as you so often see at work, in public, or in school). Some of the collar bone is about all that is seen. Nor is the top skin tight fitting as you so suggest. In fact it looks rather loose or too big since it is doubled up near her hands. All of which is certainly not risque.
Third: It is hard to say that the top was a mini dress, since to me it looked upon reviewing that it was a long shirt top over slacks or leotards, which seems to be the style these days. Also, quite common is wearing a mini dress over tighter slacks.
Just considering #'s 1 and 2, but ignoring #3, you both were so self-righteous in calling her a tramp ready to party and move along based on her hair and what she wore. Invalid facts used to justify calling her names based on what she wore is just one example of how overzealous rumors spread in the community as-well-as media speculation reporting about the circumstantial evidence in the trial. You must base the convictions on the facts and not emotions or rumors, etc., which is something that Nancy Grace simply did not understand and exactly why she got into trouble 3 times for bad behavior in the past while serving as a prosecutor. The impression was given that she could no longer serve as their prosecutor. What she is doing now as a commentator to raise the station ratings and profits is no better, and at the expense of spreading more extreme hatred and divide in our communities, which is something our Country does not need now during hard times.
Now I suggest that the both of you take a look at the video on the web site below.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43677744#43677744
That's not going anywhere, Dean A. Glenn. Keep the psychoanalysis to yourself. Not restoring.
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soupy55 and JW1961, you're each suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Any people who object should get a life... The law is the law... sigh
Independent... take a second and get off your high horse, will ya?
What I saw is exactly what every single attorney on TV, not to mention just plain TV anchors and people I know, saw immediately; the contrast in her appearance overnight. All during the trial she was the picture of conservative dress, neatly done hair, then not guilty and voila, the different image.
Get over yourself please. I was not the first, last, or only person who was VERY surprised by her overnight change in appearance. You are taking this whole thing into your own twisted web, calling me and Vicki a variety of unpleasant things, and in the end, we ALL saw the contrast, we ALL meaning anyone with an IQ over 78..... Her demeanor did a 360.
We are not talking in the least little bit about what teens/young people wear every day. We are not talking about the way people dress, or don't dress, on a daily basis. I was talking about this sudden swing in her entire appearance, from the image she tried to create as the "puritanical mom" to the one the day after the verdict.
If you don't think for one second her lawyers told her EXACTLY how to dress, behave, look, and do her hair throughout the trial to create an image, a false one at that in my mind, you're living in fantasy land.
Hey dude. Do You mean a 180? A 360 is a COMPLETE turnaround, back to the starting point!
Casey Anthony walked. It bothers many of us, but that must be the end of it. It's over and she cannot be re-tried. However, there is something that should have come out of this case that I have not seen in a single one of the thousands of posts on this issue.
The ONLY reason we ever knew about the murder of Caylee was because Anthony's mother pressed her repeatedly as to her whereabouts. Even then, a month passed before authorities were notified.
Consider this. Had Casey Anthony simply moved away from her parent's house, no one - not a soul - would have suspected there might be a problem. No one would have known there was ever a little girl named Caylee. She would simply have ceased to exist.
Ponder this for only a moment. Can you really imagine this has not occurred before? The horrifying truth is that while this is probably not an everyday occurrence, it would be foolish to imagine what happened to Caylee Anthony is an isolated instance.
Exactly. Also, if it had been a black woman who killed her two year old in this manner, we'd have never seen it on the news.
I see it everyday, black or white....there is nothing "good" about the news. A lot of people would be better off if they didn't watch it.
Agreed, shel, and if people would spend HALF the energy they waste hating Casey and filling their brains with violent and disgustring thoughts, and channel it into helping the thousands of other needy children in this country, we would all live in a better world.
HLN said they intentionally search the country for news of this nature that can "stir" the emotions in people, for "ratings".
They said the most likely next case will be Michael Jackson's doctor.
The tragedy here is it's all about the "court of public opinion" and not the Constitution and Law.
Plato said "Democracy turns into anarchy, with mob rule". This is the real tragedy of the Anthony trial.
American Citizens are thumbing their noses at the "Constitutional System of Trial By Jury"
Let's hope no one here is ever put in the position where they need a JURY to decided their FATE based on the COURT OF PUBLIC OPINIONS and Circumstantial Evidence!
Throwing the book at Casey was also precipitated by the reaction of the people from the not Guilty verdict.
Casey will probably be out in 6 months or less and with out PROBATION or some legal authority looking over her shoulder. No "pee" tests or reporting to a Probation Officer and she will be able to LEAVE the STATE.
Maybe the judge did her a bigger favor in his sentencing today!
The only way Casey, the lawyers and the jurors will get rich from this is if the buying public run out and buys the books and pay to see the movie. And the sad things about it, is that with all the disgust and anger the public feels right now that is exactly what will happen. It is a sad state when the public makes crime pay. And because of the publics short memory, they will forget the anger and disgust and make everyone involved a very rich person. And everyone that reads my comments know that what I say is horrible and painful truth.
If there ever was a case of FAILED prosecution, this was one. Over 400 pieces of evidence presented to the judge & jury and they could not present burden of proof. Blame the prosecution if you want to blame anybody, this was the worst effort ever. Young trial lawyers and law students take note...this is what NOT to do!
@Shel,
That was an idiotic thing to say! There's stories about black families all over the news! Who cares if it's a black child or a white child? YOU are a racist to say something like that!
People have been convicted with circumstantial evidence everyday to say you can't convict is ludicrous. The fact she put her into a trash bag and dumped her like a load of garbage seems like child abuse to me
I don't think it's a racial issue but a gender issue. The juror said we can't convict Casey because we think she look like she did, but in the same breath said the father look like he did something. If this was Caylee's father on trial I think the jurors would have convicted him. Society can't fathom a woman being capable of murder or molestation, but we can see a man doing this. Also, I think society has a hard time putting a woman to death.
@bologna sandwich
Calling Shel an idiot and "racist" because you didn't agree is tasteless. I happen to agree with Shel. If the accused or the victim is a young, pretty, white woman, we get these media circuses. I cannot think of a single case involving a non-celibrity that recieved this level of attention without a pretty white woman involved somehow.
David, They found a way to sue O.J. in civil court, and much less evidence is required in civil court. I don't envy the sociopath; she will live a life of constantly looking over her shoulder and watching shadows move through the night, right?
This is the sickest result to happen next to freeing Oj Simpson! How can our Justice system be that pothetic to free a woman who absolutely murdered her child and call that justice, that is why our justice system is the worst in the world should of sent her to Russia
Even before this I've been convinced that much wiser heads have done a great job of getting away with murder. Only the truly careless, stupid or unlucky ones get caught. Even then it's not guaranteed they'll serve time. But yeah. I'm sure there are plenty of killers out there who'll never be uncovered because they hid it better.
@ Ginger,
I think you hit the nail on the head there. My brother said at the beginning of all this that she'd walk because she is a young, moderately attractive female. Someone on one of the other threads pointed out that there have only been 2 women executed in FL in recent history and most of those sentenced to death are re sentenced to life w/o possibility of parole. I do believe is it a lot harder for a jury to sentence a woman, and a young one at that, to death. Maybe it's hard to believe that a mother would do such a thing to their child. Who knows...
bologna sanwhich take that racists pointing finger and scratch your ass with it. People have a right to like and dislike whoever they want. That's their business.
It`s that antebellum southern mentality that still permeates the southern culture.
"i do declare good sir I would neva harmmm my baby"
" you are a fineee upstanding southern belle and I have no doubt that a delicate flower such as yourself would neva do such a damn scoundrel thing as to harmmm your baby.'
'"indeed good sir! and thank you, may I go now?"
'"you may depart now, dinna will be at my house at 6 sharp, do be ontime my dear"
" *giggle*giggle*giggle* thank you good sir"
watch it NB! this southern belle is dang smart!!
LMAO @ race. While we are talking about race how is that guy that got stabbed by that Mob action up on Halsted during the 4th I wonder. Good shot of it on You Tube just search for Halsted Boystown stabbing. Just like when you throw a banana in the monkey house and one monkey gets it and 50 other monkeys clobber him. I digress....
I wonder what really happened in this case. Oh to be a fly on the wall and see what really went down.
@ NB,
Pretty good southern drawl, took me back to good ol' Tara.
@ disgusted
Lighten up...that's how my mother sounds, she's from south Georgia and it's a spot on impression. It has nothing to do with a level of intelligence.
@stayoutamine-perhaps you should stayoutamine-i like nb. we have been on the same page, so to speak. it wasn't meant to be taken seriously. btw, i'm from texas not florida nb. we see justice a little differently there :-)
@ disgusted-
again, lighten up. Great, you like nb.
This is a thread where we have no knowledge of who knows whom. Maybe, just maybe, if you want people to "stayoutayours" perhaps you should denote that you are only joking around on your post, other wise get used to people telling you to to loosen up a bit.
On a much lighter note, I ain't got no problem with Texas justice and only wish others sought justice the same way Texas does. Lived there when I was young and I understand the saying "don't mess with Texas" is not just a euphemism.
@stay-you should lighten up with a name like stayoutamine, replying to a remark not made to you, expect some jabbing. also, i would expect when someone says they are "dang smart", they wouldn't have to denote with an lol.... you cool now?
now, on a lighter note-don't mess with texas and don't throw your trash on the highway yall ;-)
Heh, Texas - likely in the lead for the number of convicts exonerated by REAL evidence. And probably where most of these comments are coming from.
@cc-"likely in the lead"? do the research on that unsubstantiated comment and get back with me. Texas is a BIG state so be sure to take that into account.
Likely doesn't mean certainly, and indicates that it was an unsubstantiated comment. It was based on my recollection over the last couple years of how many innocent people have been set free in Dallas. But thanks for pointing that out and making me go through the trouble of Googling it, I was feeling lazy, you know. If you believe the media, Texas is #3. But that may only be because not all states require that evidence be held for so long. I wasn't saying anything against Texas, I think Texas is one of the best and (contrary to popular belief in my neck of the woods) brightest states - oh, and I'll acknowledge that it is indeed "BIG".
I just hope I never get put in a position where I have to judge someone without sufficient evidence being presented by the prosecution. If I'm not comfortable with it, I'm not going to say "guilty" just because there's a drama-queen lynch mob waiting outside the courthouse and on the interweb screaming"It's so obvious" - based on what they've seen on TV and read in the newspapers.
She's probably guilty. How's that for an unsubstantiated comment? I don't assume to know what I can't prove, hence the "probably".
@cc-well, thank you for the research." if you believe the media", then casey is guilty as well, right? oh well, lets not quibble. btw, i think the jury got it wrong but i don't think it was entirely their fault. from the comments of one of the jurors, the instructions they were given were either stupid or not clearly understood. anyway, its done. and i don't have any friends in that lynch mob just to be clear..lol.
You have GOT to be kidding me! I think someone has watched Gone With the Wind too many times. I am originally from Mississippi though I have lived away from the south for a long time. If you think people still act like "southern belles" you seriously need to fast-forward your reality. The south is certainly not perfect and needs to grow in certain ways, in my opinion; but it has changed quite a bit just since the Civil Rights Movement in the 60's. (I never said it was perfect! It still needs more change, definitely.) One of my grandmothers was a college professor in the 1970's in Mississippi. The other strongly supported civil rights against her friends. I remember her once taking action when some African Americans were denied entry to somewhere-she marched to the back of the building and personally escorted the black family to some seats while everyone else stared at her. Not exactly what I would call typical "southern belles." If every woman had acted like a "southern belle," the Civil Rights movement would have never succeeded.
Besides, aren't you forgetting a huge part of southern culture? What about African American culture? We had a housekeeper who was like a surrogate mother to me. I doubt I would have survived my childhood without her, in fact. She told me that before she worked for us she worked in the cotton fields. Kids in high school when I was there, white kids, also worked in the cotton fields in the summers, chopping cotton (chopping weeds in the cotton fields). Some were girls, though my dad only let boys do it on his farm. (Of course the high school kids were likely going to get off the farm one day unless they returned as farmers, unlike the regular farm workers, unfortunately.) Years after our housekeeper retired we still visited her every Christmas even though she lived far away-we made sure to fit it in when we visited family in the area. We only stopped after she passed away. Do you not think African Americans contributed tremendously to southern culture (ie, it's far more than just "southern belle" culture)? If not, then you must not have ever listened to blues music. Not to mention jazz and much, much more. And what about Native American culture? The area where I'm from is full of mounds built by Native Americans that vanished years ago. The Choctaws and Chicasaws remain. Southern belles, my foot! Like the rest of us, you have no idea of the makeup of the jury. And can you see a "southern belle" chopping cotton like some of my friends did?
Seen too Much: You, to me, sound like a TYPICAL Southern Belle!
My 'Mammy' was my surrogate mother. My Grandmother championed civil rights! I'm so 'DOWN, Dudes with Native Americans'. I LOVE jazz! "Some of my friends' chopped cotton".
Did YOU have to stripe those pretty hands by chopping cotton yourself?
Now, I understand your issues about "Southern Belles" but what have YOU had to do to earn your living (Your friends aside, I have lots of Jewish friends, but I never had to live through the Holocaust).
Now, I'm not intending to insult you, but I'm 53 years old, and I LIVED through the Civil rights era, the time of the Black Panthers, and Patty Hearst and her "Symbionese Liberation Army". In 1965, my Mom and I took a two week train trip to upstate New York to see her family. In New Mexico, My Mom made friends with a Black woman, with a son who was 8, as was I. He had a very pretty older sister who was 10. We became fast friends, as did our mothers, and our mom's corresponded for many years. So.. Should I be proud because My MOTHER was a kind person, as was their mom? No, I was just a kid, unaware of "social currents" and just happened to make friends with two kids near my age while traveling.
Do You get it? I am not proud, NOR ashamed about making friends with black kids ( I know now that the socially conscious say African Americans, but in 1965, they chose to call Themselves Black.. Like I was White). To me, You sound prideful that you're such an open accepting and loving person.. If I am wrong, I most HUMBLY apologize for misunderstanding you. Please forgive me if I'm wrong. It just sounded to me like you were being a bit condescending, as only one who considers themselves superior can be.
i agree with some of what both of you had to say. actually, there are women from the south who are very proud to be "southern belles". (i brought up that term to tease nb) they just aren't scarlet o'haras! it has nothing to do with pre-civil war area south, but pride in where they come from. there are many wonderful southern traditions that all people from the south, black and white want to keep alive. one of which is good manners which we could use more of these days. if anyone thinks being a southern belle these days means being racist, they are very wrong.
besides, i don't know how we went from n.b.'s comments making fun of the jury to chopping cotton. i guess its all in what you take from what someone has to say.
Di, all I can say is you have no idea what I went through and therefore have no right to judge me. My statement that I doubted I would have survived my childhood without our housekeeper should give you a hint; however, no doubt if I attempted to tell you you would say I was bragging about it-so let's just let it lie.
I wasn`t trying to be racist or imply that southern women are stupid.
Actually my comment was meant more to poke fun at how a lot of men are suckers for a pretty face and the damsel in distress act.
I think casey fooled a lot of people, including her defense team and the jurors, with her story about "daddy molested me" and forced me to cover up an accidental drowning. She gained a lot of sympathy from a lot of suckers by playing the damsel in distress.
I have a lot of respect for people from that era, those were dangerous and difficult times to live in but they had a very strong sense of personal honor,honesty and integrity,if people today had even 1/10th of that sense of personal honor,honesty and integrity the world would be a better place and We wouldn`t have lawyers engaging in drunken celebrations to celebrate a mother killing her child getting away with it.
Seen too much: As I said before, I did not mean to insult if I may have misunderstood. To me, it seems I obviously did. I humbly apologize. I am sorry for whatever happened in your life I don't know about. Kindly, with typical Southern Generosity, Forgive me. Di
@dis....lol...you are making friends over here now I see! <being humorous>
Loved your logic on the use of "dang"
@NBF... another "fineee" example of your ever sparkling wit! Loved the dialog and the rabble rousing you do at times.
You make a good point about people not always seeing the person for who they are because of their appearance. (I won't say men only because women do it as well)
thanks nb- i didn't think you meant to be offensive. as i said, i was just teasing..lol. i think some people from the south are sensitive to the stereotype that the slow drawl makes them sound dumb. funny, i had an experience with a friend working with a client from the south. she was from the midwest and not used to the way "we" talk. she told me this story. she said to a co-worker-"well, from the sound of him, he's no rocket scientist". the co-worker who knew the guy well said "well, actually he IS a rocket scientist"..haha..lesson learned for my friend.
thanks amused-i try.lol.
Makes me sick! She murdered her child and will be a millionaire before the end of the day today. This is what our country is coming to. Absolutely pathetic.
Well, Rob Rich, it sounds as though you should have been charged as an accomplice to Ms. Anthony!! You obviously have personal knowledge as to what happened to the child, meaning you obviously were present when the child died. Since you weren't called to the stand as a witness against Ms. Anthony, and since you did not give testimony regarding the murder of the child by Ms. Anthony, I have to conclude you never reported the event - what you witnessed and what you know - to the proper authorities. And by failing to do that, you have aided and abetted Ms. Anthony, and have thus been an accomplice to the crime. I will ask the DA to prepare the indictment against you immediately.
Otherwise, you're just running your mouth about something you know nothing about and breaking the law in doing so. Your statement is libelous and slanderous, and I hope Ms. Anthony makes a million dollars suing you and others who insist on publishing unbased, untrue and defamatory comments about her.
Dean, the load catcher is not reading the vine and will not call you unless you have dough. Stop sucking up to this scumbag, she will not call you. I hope her father and brother sue her and Baez for making false accusations of molestation in a court of law. And before you ask me if I have special knowledge of it not happening, prove to me it did happen suck up
She'll only be rich if we allow it. Don't buy books or see movies. That won't help her.
After seeing her parents show zero emotion and then get up and leave after the verdict, I wonder what happens today. Does Casey just go back to her parents house or do they meet her at the front door with a suitcase and a wave goodbye? Casey did accuse her father of terrible things (and there's zero proof) so does he let her back in?
I wouldn't be surprised to see her parents file a wrongful death suit against her. I believe they could win. They could stop any money she'd get.
Soupy55 - your ignorance and stupidity are magnanimous - I don't "suck up" to anyONE for any reason whatsoever. Obviously, you think everyone is available for a price - probably because you are. I'm quite certain, based on the intellect you exhibit by your comments, the demand for you works with the supply of you in such a manner as to ensure you are available at the lowest possible price, and to the largest number of buyers. Too bad you haven't a chance in hell of changing that reality...
Soupy55 is obviously a very bitter person with some sort of repressed sexual issues.
What a great country America. You put someone on trial with flimsy evidence and you lose. Now you're pissed at the defendent? She spent 3 years in jail on trumped up evidence and you're pissed.
God bless America and all it's s*&thouse lawyers.
There is no proof she murdered her daughter, so people cant judge Casey for the crime! Great job Baez did, keep up the good work!
If people hate the American system of justice, then feel free to move somewhere else and give their system of justice a try.
Ours isn't perfect no, but it is still way better than many.
@Rob Rich
If you think you can do better then by all means go down there and run against the DA for their job.
Show them the evidence they missed. Show them how Calyee was murdered, who did it, what they did it with, and why they did it...and remember it must be provable beyond a reasonable doubt.
The mob rules seem to becoming more and more common here in the US but it's still not the Constitutional way we convict and punish for crimes.
Flimsy evidence, trumped up evidence? Did you even read about the trial or watch any of it?
Nick 46 - She was in jail because she stole checks from a friend. Up to that point she was out on bail.
I agree. Innocent or guilty, we do promote villianous type personalities over good. Toby Keith nailed it in his country song American Ride. We are giving her credit (either way) for covering up a death and without doubt . . neglect. Manslaughter should have still been considered either way. We imprision drunk drivers for it constantly and they do not make the news or get contracts for books, movies, etc. Our values and rewards system has really crapped out. No wonder other countries find us obnoxious. We have great citizens in our country but because we do not sensationalize them, this is the image we project to the world.
Dean and JW - why don't you 2 get a hotel room and invite the load catcher over for a 3 some. I think the 3 of you would enjoy that. Dean, I do think you protest to much about sucking up. Just ask JW, he knows all about sucking up. Magnanimous, really Dean, I think you may be out of your element using words like this.
Definition of MAGNANIMOUS
1: showing or suggesting a lofty and courageous spirit
2: showing or suggesting nobility of feeling and generosity of mind
Thank you Dean, you blithering idiot, I will take that as a compliment from a complete moron
RN - Circumstantial evidence is just that circumstantial. For example, lets say you walk into a starbucks. Circumstantial evidence says that you ordered a coffee, yet the facts may actually show you ordered a cup of tea. You just can't convict on circumstantial, you need to build a preponderance of that evidence, which the prosecution failed to do.
like it or not people, our justice system works. Do I think she did it, probably. But if you can't prove it, then you have to let them go. And fortunately the justice system doesn't let the media try the cases for them, because they had Casey tried convicted and hung before the case even started.
you people who feel sick over this is ridiculious, how do u know she done it?.maybe she really didn't do it.just because she partyied and lied does not necisserely mean she did it..it could have been someone close to her.and yea maybe she even knows who?.but maybe is scared to say.. seems to me there is alot of covering up going on..maybe she is guilty of covering up a murder after the fact..but prosecuters did not prove thier case..either way..it's god who judges in the end... and the person who did it and god only knows..they will be accordinly judged in the end...
I'd like to know why RN keeps making this political. RN...you keep basing the "liberals"..do you know the jurors? Do you know the prosecution? Do you know the defense? Quit with the politics, please!
Was she convicted of staeling checks and sentenced? Then she was not in jail for stealing checks.
I must be a little off today. What part of reasonable doubt don't you understand. "that may leave doubt" what do you need 1%, 25%, 75% or ???.
@Rob Rich
Then leave, Rob. I'm sure you can easily find a country, especially in the middle east, where the judicial process accepts "I just KNOW she's guilty".
A jury of us found her not guilty. Accept it and move the f*ck on.
RN: Leave politics out of this. The "liberal" comment suggests that you belong to that spewing hateful bunch called conservatives. Go look to Rush, Palin, or Bachman for your paradigm of hope.
Rob doesn't have to leave. Just by reading the comments above, this country accepts "I just KNOW she's guilty". There are cases that are tried all of the time that end up with defendants being found not guilty based on the way the prosecutors office presents their case. Proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt gets convictions. Emotion cannot be the deciding factor.
She murdered her child
Got any proof??? The DA sure didn't.
Scott Peterson should hire Baez for appeals.
Nick she was convicted of check fraud and now has 6 felonies . She admitted to emptying out her friends bank account.
It's the Civil Court that accepts the preponderance of evidence not criminal court. Criminal court insists on beyond reasonable doubt. Because a preponderance leaves reasonable doubt, it is not enough to convict of a crime.
Don't worry soupy55. If they can't stand you they are gonna love me,lol!!!
I think where this case was tried had a lot to do with it just like the OJ trial (the first one). The systems in Florida and Cali as actually set to allow a lot of"rough" things to happen before a law is actually broke. Now if this happened in IL I guarantee she is behind bars for murder. This is due solely to the natives here have an IQ approximately 104 points below the average IQ....yes that is below 0 IQ. Yes it would require you to be dead to have less than 0 IQ. Yes dead people vote and stand jury duty in Chicago. Once Cali and FL learn how this stuff is really done then we will be MUCH better off.
No offense, RN, but are you saying you can read minds? You know exactly how much doubt they had?
Why automatically label something you dislike or disapprove of as the opposing political side? It really weakens your argument, especially since this had nothing to do with politics.
I'm certainly not saying Casey is innocent, but how can even people who claim they watched the whole trial be certain they saw every second of it? Maybe you saw only what the media wanted you to see. Also, none of you know what instructions were given to the jury. And you know that every single thing you saw was endlessly commented on by the media. The jury was completely shielded from the media and may not have known some of the things the media brought out. For all of you, your perspective on the evidence and the trial was not the same as that of the jurors! YOU were constantly bombarded by media and their opinions and analysis. You can hardly claim you were not affected. THEY were not, and in fact were not exposed to ANY of that. ALL they saw was what was shown them in court-that's it. No opinions other than the lawyers and witnesses, no analysis other than the lawyers and witnesses. Surely you can see the difference. For all of you screaming about logic, common sense, and people with simple minds-at least look at this reality.
RN in Philly, you always present intelligent posts. Therein is the problem. The root word of reasonable is reason, based upon common sense and logic. In my opinion, the prosecution presented a far more reasonable case than the defense that presented nothing that proved Casey was innocent -- even though, they didn't have to legally.
Most murder cases are circumstantial as few murder cases have eyewitnesses that can corroborate the crime. Even then, witnesses view incidents and evidence differently, and many witnesses are also not credible. Many murder convictions have resulted from not even having a body to convict, and 80 percent of murder convictions result from mere skeletal remains without CAUSE OF DEATH, which are very applicable in this case. 80% of all Americans believe Casey is guilty of murder, the same percentage of murder convictions with less evidence than this case. This concludes with 80% of every American thinking and concluding vastly differently than this jury. Only 20% of all Americans fail this IQ test of being utterly un reasoning and utterly idiots.
Sadly, you were not a juror in this case.
The judge should sentence her to more time for the charge she was found guilty of and she should be with the general prison population. They'll see that justice is served.
I have already thought that if she actually got to prison...she would not want to be found in the shower stalls. Everyone has heard how bad life can be for someone who has harmed a child in prison...but women can be more brutal. I hope that she will always be looking over her shoulder and not have peace.
Yes, in general, those who have killed or molested children fare poorly in prison, and yes, women are more likely to be abused in prison than men. However, women who harm children are typically not vilified in prison because a large percent of the violent inmates are in there for child abuse, neglect or murder. Unfortunately, she would just be another inmate in gen. pop. It would be much worse for her personally to be held in solitary where she is not able to be the center of attention.
She got the maximum sentence possible for the crimes she was convicted of. As for wanting her to be killed, why? Over 4 misdemeanors?
lol i have to say this is funny (totally true) and i agree but funny! I think they should put her in a room full of moms (not women who have kids and murder them or harm them but MOMS) Lets us give Caylee justice :)
The judge should sentence her to more time for the charge she was found guilty of
All 4 counts have a maximum of 1 year in prison and a $1000 fine each.
The judge gave the maximum under the law....
The jury SHOULD HAVE found her GUILTY of Charge #2 - AGGRAVATED CHILD ABUSE
How could they NOT ?? She did not report a TODDLER missing for 31 days ??? She did nothing BUT lie, deceive and evade her family and law enforcement ... she hindered the investigation and the recovery of Caylee's body with her lies and deception.
How could this half-witted jury NOT find her guilty of AT LEAST the child abuse charge ?? Their verdict is truly mind-boggling ...
This is a petition to have the law changed regarding the time a parent has to report their child missing. It is getting congressional attention. It is after the fact in this case, but at least it could prevent another Casey from murdering their child and hiding it.
http://healthland.time.com/2011/07/07/petition-for-caylees-law-goes-viral/?hpt=hp_t1
Good idea handsome harold except for the crisco part. Just dry fist. She deserves it.
Texas Mama,
Hun laws have a burden of proof attached to them. Did you know that if you pushed a guy down with your hands to his chest that is a felony sexual assault? It is because it meets the criteria of the law. We might not see it as so but the law is the law.
With no established cause of death there is no way you could pin murder or child abuse on her. The prosecutor KNEW this and still went forward trying to make a name for herself.
I am personally appalled she got the max on her 4 charges. I hope she appeals them, gets time reduced in the appeals process, and the state has to pay her for false incarceration or something to that tune. I see monkies here in Chicago robbing, killing, and mobbing .... when they are arrested they get a suspended sentence and are let roll again.
It is BS.
I think they should put her in a room full of moms (not women who have kids and murder them or harm them but MOMS) Lets us give Caylee justice :)
Yes thats really good. Lets show everyone how much we care for Caylee by killing her Mom.
No doubt, books will be written, profits will be made & she will become wealthy. Her jet set party lifestyle will end though. The ridicule and the hecklers will force her to live a life in seclusion. Too bad, at least in prison she would of had company.
She could move to Clearwater, FL and be a neighbor to one of the jurors. One of the jurors can watch her back. :)
Or better yet she should go home with Baez and be his nanny for his daughter that he spoke of.......
The jury did nothing wrong. I feel bad for these jurors.
Baez is a dead beat dad, doesn't see his daughter
Baez's kid, 'Daddy, what did you do today?' 'Well munchkin, daddy got off a murderous, thieving, lying POS, sorry I mean a kind hearted, intelligent young woman and guess what? Just as soon as we get rid of mommy, ummm drown her in the pool, oh sorry, what I MEANT to say was, just as soon as Casey can make mommy take a dirt nap, err NAP, Casey said the three of us can have a great big party and write a book, would you like that, apple of my eye?'
What' the mattter Sandie & soupy55, you don't like the US justice system. Well I suggest you try to come up with a better one. Guess what, there isn't one.
The prosecution could not prove its case, I imagine that if there had been any evidence, they would have tried Mickey Mouse for this. That's the problem when you rush to judgement have the media whip the public into a frenzy, the media usually fails to deal with facts. I guess CNN decided that the ratings were too good to have to deal with facts. Well, I imagine Nancy Grace will have to deal with the fact that she was wrong, Casey Anthony was not proven to have killed Callee Anthony.
Thanks but we don't want her in Clearwater..in fact we don't want the "sick to their stomach" and crying jurors either
I'm a bit confused this women lied about everything and yet you people completely believe it was an accident because she said it was.
Actually people can have any opinion they want, if they're living in the USA.Casey won't serve time for the crime but the public's entitled to believe what they want - about her or Michael Jackson or Robert Blake or Lindsay Lohan or anyone they like. We don't have thought police in the US.
She can move to Chicago and shack with me. We will go do shots every night and I have NO issues with a lil girl on girl.
Wlee
It has nothing to do with what people believe...it is what you can prove. You can believe there are martians forging your signature on your checks and bouncing your account. If you don't have a photo it didn't happen. Same principal. I personally believe 9/11 was an inside job. I can provide as many demolition specialists that will attest it appears that way to them also. I am a conspiracy theorist because I do not have the smoking gun. Just how the world works bro.
Don't let it get you down. Far worse and nefarious things occurring in the country ...in DC...than this.
Look , more than 50% of the public believe that the world was created in exactly six days roughly 5000 years ago. A whole load more sit in churches every Sunday just telling themselves over and over that a little piece of bread is really God and that there is something more than its atomic structure that defines what it is. And they all like to burn witches.
Evaluating EVIDENCE is not really an option with the American public. They wouldn't recognize evidence if it bit them in the xxxx. This is why I was so surprised by this jury decision.
David, I know lots of people in several churches; but no one I know wants to burn a single witch! When was the last witch burning you heard about in the US? How often do you hear churches literally cry for witch burnings? Give me a break! The churches I know are busy helping the homeless, visiting people in jail, helping with food banks, partnering with disaster relief, and the like.
Perhaps you haven't spoken to enough people. Try a few more right wing Conservatives. Try Pat Robertson for example. He has mellowed somewhat since he actually met some people on death row, but he still believes that certain moral violations should carry the death penalty, although he admits that it would not be right to enforce it. There was an interesting discussion recently between Justice Scalia and the Pope and US bishops, where Scalia claimed that his pro Capital Punishment position was actually consistent with Catholic tradition, and it was the Pope who was out of line, and in a sense this was true. As regards burning witches, fortunately the rule of law has stepped in in this country to prevent that happening, but it was eventually the secular authorities that stepped in to stop the religious nuts spreading the Salem witch trials round the rest of the country. They were on a roll.
I certainly don't disagree with you that there are many wonderful religious people as there are also many wonderful atheists and humanists who enjoy helping others, but the churches probably deserve a lot of credit in that area. But I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. People can belive that the moon is made of blue cheese and still be nice to other people. Holy cow, the Pope only just acknowledged that the Church was wrong to imprison Galileo!!!
In reality, I really do believe there are a lot of positive things in religion, but I could reconcile myself better to it if religious people changed their attitude a bit and viewed their religion as God giving them a mandate as how to live their lives as opposed to God giving them a mandate to tell other people how to live their lives.
Actually I believe the last pope "paroled" Galileo over 30 years ago.
If you think Pat Robertson speaks for "all" churches, you don't know much about church or even "right wing conservatives." If you have to go all the way back to the Salem Witch Trials to defend your statement that "all" people in the churches want to burn witches, then I'd say you have a pretty weak argument. I'm not in any way justifying what was done, but things have changed a lot in the CENTURIES since then. It appears that you are equating support for the death penalty with "burning witches" which is disingenious at best, especially since apparently the so called witches were not supposed to be guilty of an actual crime. So don't be ridiculous. And only Catholic churches (perhaps a few others) recognize the Pope as an authority. That leaves many that don't.
There are many things for which you can legitimately accuse the church-some you mentioned. You don't need to get inflammatory about it.
My point was that the churches I knew were too busy helping people to take the time to call for witch burnings, even if they wanted to do so. And I assure you they don't. Right Wing Conservatives do not equal "people sitting in church." Not all conservatives even go to church, and not everyone who goes to church is conservative. We have had good friends in church who were staunch democrats. I certainly don't consider myself "right wing conservative"-in fact, I cringe at the words; but I go to church. I have a relative who is a faithful church member who has a sign in her house that reads, "The Christian RIght is neither." (I'm not sure exactly what the "Christian Right" is and I don't feel qualified to judge who is a Christian or not, so I can't comment on the sign itself.)
You do realize that there are tons of African American, Korean, Hispanic and other churches that may not fit your stereoype, don't you? Do they not count? Do you think President Obama's church in Chicago fit your stereotype or still does? Do those people not count as a church? And what about the President himself? Do you think he is lying when he says he is a Christian? Does he not count in your estimation of the church? Give me a break! You spoke about American people having trouble evaluating evidence. What about you?
Those making death threats are no better than the people they are threatening. Can't understand why they would threaten Goeroge and Cindy in the first place..neither were on trial or considered suspects. That family will always remain fractured...the defense's use of some of those accusations, completely unfounded accusations as well, will always hang over that family's head.
I agree..Casey should probably leave Florida never to return but I can't see her getting an overly warm welcome in too many other places. Baez is right about one thing anyway...she is probably in danger upon her release. Emotions are still riding very high, especially in Florida, and even if she is released in a secret location out of the way of the public eye, it won't be long before some reporter manages to ferret out her location.
I didn't agree with the verdict but as was already said, it's done. Casey is only what, 25 now...her life is effectively over before it has really begun. It may be worse for her to try to live out her life in a society that, at least right now, has no intention of helping her to "heal" (as Baez put it) and instead may try to make her life more complicated. I have comments about Baez that I won't mention here...wrong place.
No, she will be far from free when she finally walks away from prison.
Far too many people have been caught up in the media attention and have become emotionally invested in Casey Anthony and her crimes. Yes, there are crimes and they aren't just the ones she was found guilty of. They include the murder of her child and who knows what else.
But, it's over. A jury found her not guilty. It's time to move on & forward. This is not the last you'll hear of Casey. Karma is waiting for her and at some point will catch up to her.
Oh, you're right. There is no place that she can go where someone won't know her or resent her for what has happened. There will no job for her; there will be people talking behind her back, whispering and pointing. She'll have few friends.
I believe in karma too...she'll get hers at some point.
Cindy-2168256:
You are correct. This case has been a ratings bonanza for the media. They may not create the stories but they damn sure profit from them, and now they (Media outlets) are milking the outcome for all they can.
Nobody would have to make threats if the jury had done the right thing.
People just don't like a baby killer. Or those that help them get away with it.
So, yes I think those that are threatening them are better, Lynn3765.
bepatient...would you prefer if the country didn't have any laws? You are advocating violence, possibly murder here which last I looked is still illegal. If people do take action on this they are still subject to the laws which means they would be tried and convicted since "I think she killed her child and she wasn't convicted" excuse probably wouldn't work as a defense. It wouldn't change the outcome except Casey Anthony would still be out, and now a vicitm, while the person who tried to harm her would be in jail....yep..makes sense to me.
That excuse you speak about is waaay better that what Baez came up with. Jury selection is why that clown won.
Nothing like blaming everyone else for your emotional state of mind.
"Nobody would have to make threats if the jury had done the right thing."????
WELL GUESS WHAT, STUPID!! THE JURY DID THE RIGHT THING!!
I guess it's a good thing stupidity is still not a crime, cause you would be locked up for life already...
Bepatient (ironic name, by the way), don't you ever get tired of being ignorant?
Both the prosecution and defense agree on who is seated for a jury. Neither side wants anyone that is hostile to them, but thats as far as it goes.
Dean, chill out ,these are just people's opinions just like yours,so because someone disagrees with yours it makes them stupid? It's all in the way people look at the evidence. Some people insisted it smelled like death in the trunk and two cadaver dogs also hit on the trunk, still others said they didn't smell anything which do you believe?
Joe Veteran,
That is incorrect ... actually the Prosecution sought to have at least 4 people struck from the jury ... but the judge denied it. Both sides were NOT in agreement on all the jurors.
Sandy
Incorrect.
EVERY law person that looks at this case agrees there was NO motive in this case. Saying "she wanted to get back to partying and could not do it with a rug rat" without proof of such is just silly. She was parting just fine the whole time form her facebook posts. The prosecution was clown shoes and the defense did not have to say a word...because the prosecution did not prove motive..it is that simple.
Texas mama
Disagreeing on the jurors and having a legit reason to disagree are two different things. If I was up for murder I would want the following:
1. No African Americans
2. LOTS of women 41-55 yrs old
3. Middle class and white collar people
etc etc...I can disagree and say I do not approve of juror # 43 because they are...BLACK...that does not get you very far. The judge gets to call BS on the rejection of jurors.
Why has there been so much interest in this case anyway? There are over 300,000,000 people in this country, and murders happen every day. Each one of these murders lead to a murder investigation and usually a murder trial. Of those cases, I am sure a lot of them are children. So, what made this case special enough to have caused the intense public interest?
I bet you $5 that if Casey Anthony were black, it would have gotten 5 minutes of local news coverage in Florida, no one would have cared, and she would already be convicted and on death row - guilty or not.
It was probably the convoluted twists and turns in the story. You have a child who has been missing for over a month before it is reported and then it isn't even the mother. The mother comes up with a stupid story about a kidnapping and "I was trying to find her myself" type excuse. Then enter the smell of human decomposition story in the trunk of the car and finally, the remains of said child are found some 6 months later in a swamp with duct tape attached to the skull and the guy "discovering" the remains who says he notified police at least what, 4 times (?) previously and they blew him off.
Most murders are solved fairly quickly and are pretty straight forward. When society finds a case like this the ongoing mystery and more discoveries make it a media sensation. Remember the Scott Peterson case...that one had just as many mystery twists and turns which is why it was also popular in its day. Given the Anthony case in the time of social media and, well......you have a lot of people able to rapidly and/or immediately give their ideas on what happened.
@Will,
Unfortunately, I have to agree with your theory about if Casey had been black, she would have been found guilty. As for why people are so fascinated with this case, again blame Casey. No sane person, no real parent would do the things she did in those 31 days before Cindy called 911. People whose barometers are working correctly knew right then that she killed Caylee. We wanted to know what could possibly be said to explain that. Then, when Caylee was found where she was (around the corner from home) AND all duct taped up, well that was just too much. People wanted to know. Yes many, many children are killed and they don't get nearly the attention this case did and that is a sin and a shame. But also I think something of a "safety mechanism" if you will. If we had to be this close to every case of a murdered child, our collective minds and spirits couldn't handle that. Just my take on it.
Okay, the system worked and worked well for Casey Anthony, but the evidence was largely circumstantial much like the Scott Peterson case as you said -- which had a drastically different outcome. I agree that Capital Murder was truly over-reaching by the prosecution, but what about involuntary manslaughter and child-abuse? That's what was truly shocking.
When you don't know where your 2yo child is for 31 days how can that not be child-abuse? Jurors are human beings, and they bring their own biases and prejudices to court with them, that's why Scott Peterson was convicted. It is a heinous crime to kill your pregnant wife, but is it any less heinous to kill a 2yo child?
Oh yeah, and the fact that Jose Baez stated Casey Anthony's child drowned in a pool under her watch, and the grandfather discovered her wasn't enough for involuntary manslaughter? Sure it was likely a lie and no proof of sex abuse or drowning was rendered, but they were willing to admit to involuntary manslaughter, clearly the jury was ignorant.
I do have to admit I was shocked that Casey was found innocent of manslaughter and felony child abuse. The murder charge, carrying death penalty specifications, was too much of a reach but the other charges were definitely viable. What was wrong with that jury?
Dollar signs obfuscating their common sense is what was wrong with them. The mighty, mighty O'Jays explained it all 30 plus years ago in a song......some people got to have it, some people really need it. Do things, do things, do things, bad things. For the love of money!
Not found innoncent found "Not Guilty". There is a difference. Anthony showed signs of being a sociopath and she will be back in the news one day for committing another crime. Sociopaths think they can out smart people and get away with things. She did not out smart most of us but she certainly did get away with murder this time. Very very sad.
yeah.... great point. A two year old dumped in a swamp in a trash bag with FRICKING DUCT TAPE over her little nose and mouth... and these 12 idiots really aren't too sure about felony child abuse !??! Like somebody else posted..." I see why they don't want to show their faces"...
Will and Sandie, thanks for playing the race card, I was wondering which liberal would bring it up. Thanks for being the first 2 idiots to do it. Can always count on a good liberal.
Glad to oblige. You know it's true but, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! lol. Sorry I coundn't resist
Get over this "black" thing. OJ Simpson was black and he got away with double homicide. As for the biological "father" in this and being able to sue? He obviously cared nothing about this child so why should he get rich off of the baby now? Brilliant.
The whore bag refused to identify the father so he not have ever known.
She probably has absolutely no idea who he even is.
im trying to understand where a child was murdered and that skank b*&%$ walked has anything to do with race..c'mon people gernerations after generations have passed since it matters ur race! we are all equal and that is just an excuse for people to pitty themselfs. i understand blacks were used and slaved but who many of you were alivre through that??? hmmmm! okay now days whites marry black black marry white (how ever you wanna say it) im a american ?(white) woman, so is my daughter but she has never looked twice at a white man! okay so no judgement here but really let the lack/white racial s&%# go!!
agreed, the race issue is a non issue in america now, it`s all about class warfare now the upper class elitist against the rest of us, the have`s against the have nots.
I completely agree with you: Robbie-827225
No good movies in the theaters this season.
Man, I thought I was a conspiracy nut. If the prosecutor does not cover the burden of proof ...the defense has already accomplished its task. This woman should have never been put on trial for most of the charges per how Florida Law is written.
mommy05'
I'm black and you madam are obviously living in some bizarro world run by unicorns and fairies. I'm not in the habit of throwing pity parties either. Unlike you, I just live in the real world.
With the money she's going to make on the interviews, the movie, the book, and the centerfold pics, she will be able to change her face , change her name, and buy her own island somewhere in the south pacific.
It's sad.
she should use some of that money to run for congress, that's where all the real criminals and best liars are she would feel right at home among them.
Every human event has some degree of doubt about who, what and why. Please don't ask us to check our common sense at the door when we take on the job of juror.
There are a few undisputed facts about this case.
Casey Anthony's child, Caylee, is dead. Caylee went missing while in the care and custody of Casey. Casey gave several patently false statements about the time, place and circumstances of Caylee's disappearance. Casey never did report her child was missing to authorities. When Caylee’s grandmother finally called to report the child missing she stated that Casey's car trunk stunk like the smell of death.
These facts alone without any other piece of evidence point to Casey Anthony as being the one responsible for Caylee's death beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe not all doubt but DNA and video tape evidence is sadly lacking in this case.
Gotta love the OJ comments on other threads -- Anyone who viewed the reactions to the OJ trial in the Black sections of this benighted land knows that very large majority of the Black population rejoiced, celebrated and danced for joy at the verdict. It was seen as a Black man finally getting away with the murder of two whites to somehow even the score for their past grievances against whites. The Blacks on the OJ jury would have had parades in their honor in south LA if such a thing were remotely practical.
"If it does not fit you must acquit!" Is simply one fool telling a panel of twelve other idiots "Here's your chance to stick it to the man!"
It was because it was easier for the jurors to think Casey's father had something to do with it. If he was on trial with the same evidence, he would had fried.
OMG the OJ verdict. The only thing similar in this case and the OJ case was the Chewbacca Defense.
Again I say that you CAN convict on circumstantial evidence - as seen in the Peterson case for crying out loud. Too much CSI - that is not the real world!
Ms. Ford needs to stop being a freakin liar like Casey, I hear that she and the rest of her immediate family will enjoy an all expense paid trip to Disneyworld courtesy of ABC. Wonder if the network will issue a statement regarding that. One of the male jurors is fielding offers in the five figure range and yet another of these "jurors" won't talk at all unless there is a monetary offer on the table. I wonder why people continue to say that this system of justice is the best in the world when obviously, "justice" can be had for a trip to Disneyworld. If this is the best system in the world, well then we need to come up with system 3.0! Isn't it bad enough the our political system is bankrupt of any morals on both sides? Now we have to have the BS going on? Justice isn't just blind anymore (if indeed, it ever was) but the very legs have been chopped off by the so-called "jurors" in this case. How is it that millions of people feel that this woman is guilty (even some who say the prosecutor did not present a strong enough case feel she killed Caylee and even some on the jury as well, if one can believe the Disney bound Ms. Ford) and these 12 people let her walk? It flies in the face of all common sense. I won't even mention decency as it appears none of these people have the faintest idea of what that is. Then you have Mason Cheney showing his redneck roots, flipping the finger. The whole defense team.....nothing but a bunch of lucky a_— clowns who celebrate their win, and by extension, Caylee's death. For their win cannot be separated from the horrible death of that baby. As for the death threats, I am sure that the Anthony's went through that when Caylee's remains were found. I am also sure the police anticipated that this could occur if Casey got off. Guess the'll have to handle it as best they can. They enabled the psycho they raised for many, many years. They knew she was a thief because she stole checks from them as well and I have NEVER known a thief who was not also a liar, and they let her get away with her BS until she finally thought she was smart enough to get away with killing a baby. Damned if she wasn't! The jokes on us but this crap ain't funny! Let them all lie in the crap they created. Please do not support any of these people in their attempts to pimp Caylee. Not the "jurors" not any of Casey's family, former boyfriends, friends and certainly not Casey, the high school dropout that caused all this mess. Somer Thompson's killer will be tried soon, I can't imagine how her mother felt hearing this verdict. I wonder if blood sucking leeches will let him off too for the chance to make some money. My guess is yes.
Justice is determined by how much money you have . A lot of money buys you a lot of justice
@Bud - Casey Anthony certainly doesn't have any money, so your comment really can't apply to her situation.
Jurors are usually prohibited from profiting from a trial--at least for a certain period of time. If this isn't the case in the given state--then perhaps that needs to be changed.
When jurors can expect a payday from giving an unexpected verdict in a sensational trial, we all lose out. I think that jurors should be prohibited from EVER making money off a case.
If you think this too, then it's time to call your representatives and do something about it.
Too bad some reporter wasn't able to speak with the jurors on their way out of the courthouse. If they had I suspect the following dialogue would have transpired:
Reporter: "Juror #3, what are you going to do now?"
Ms. Ford: "I'm going to Disney World!"
Quite apropos considering that's where Casey said Caylee was when she damn well knew Caylee was dead, decomposing in a swamp. Plus, it's the land of "magical thinking"!
Is Ms Ford black?
No, she's white, Why do you ask, I wonder? I'm black though, have anything to say about that?
Sandie, all I have to say about it is - sorry for the blantent racism. Please understand most aren't that ignorant.
Sandie...easy on the meds, okay?
Thanks Tam. Appreciate you taking the time.
cookykamp, what is the basis for your comment to me?
The basis that he is an idiot
Kinda figured Sandie, since you and Willie were the first to play the race card. Can't call me a bigot or a racist cause I'm black too. I'll settle for Uncle Tom
I don't know the rules regarding juror exposure to the news regarding their case, but I suspect the jurors in this case were probably not aware of the extent of the media frenzy until after it was over.
@soupy55, they way you keep accusing people of being racist makes me suspect you have issues of your own. It seems that whenever someone mentions the possiblity that a black suspect or black child victim would have been treated differently, you jump in with race-baiting comments. Is it racist to state the belief that a black woman might have been treated differently, or a statement that our nation still has a ways to go regarding race equality?
Soupy..lol...you are great. I want to be black now so I can talk shat about negroids and not be called a racist..that is a sweeet gig you guys got lol.
I digress
A lot of hate here over an innocent verdict. You got half the country out of work, Your POTUS giving billions away to multiple countries, and you are outraged at this to the point of threatening an innocent lady.
Screwed up priorities I tell ya.
First, she was convicted of lying to the police because there was direct proof of that. Didn't matter that she was found not guilty on the rest. She still lied to the police and there was direct proof of that. Second, don't mistake consious (sp?) with intelligence. Sociopaths tend to be very intelligent. Third, common sense does not win a conviction. Proof does. It ísn't Guilty or Innocent, it is guilty or not guilty, or it is proven or not proven.
Ms. Ford may have gotten a trip to Disneyland, but she also said that they wanted to find her guilty, they all did BUT, there were too many questions. Who did it, how it was done, was it an accident, where did it happen, etc....she said that you cannot connect the proven events with question marks and that if there is one shred of doubt, you cannot convict. They did what they were instructed to. They did their job. Do I like the verdict??? NO! We all know she did it, in our guts. but 'in our guts' isn't good enough. The state couldn't prove the case. It has been said that had they charged her with lesser crimes as well (like obstruction of justice, etc...) that they could have had her in jail for years but the state went for the big guns and on a death penalty case, you have to have solid proof. The state didn't have enough proof and you can not convict on a gut feeling.
If you all are upset that she might make money off this, don't buy what she is trying to sell. But, please for God's sake leave the jurors alone. They all said that they cried and prayed and wanted to convict but according to our law, they could not and I belive them. And, whether you think so or not, we do still have the best judicial system in the world. If not, we wouldn't be able to protest and say how we feel. Same laws provide that.
If you are really angry, do something good with it. Donate to a children's organization in Caylee's name or help get the Caylee's law passed which will make it a felony (?) to not report a child under a certain age missing. There are many other people going to jail and being prosecuted for murdering their children or another person's children. We only heard about this one. There are also thousands that are in prisons and are actually innocent. Do not take anything she is selling or anything that $%$## Baez is selling. I found him to be a pathetic little worm and completely tactless for taking his team just one block from the courthouse within and hour after and whooped it up, right in front of the public and news medias. I thought his opening and closing were horrible. He threw so much into the case just to confuse the jury. It worked.
Anyway, don't yell at me over my typo's. I know some of my spelling is off and have mis-used some words here and there. I type faster than I think......
Go do something positive in Caylee's memory, Casey will get her punishment eventually but don't take it out on the jurors.
Let's turn this anger into something positive. We all know in our guts that she did this-most of us-but, it's over. There is nothing that can be done. With any luck she will commit a non-injury crime and end up in jail for a very long time (OJ), before she tries to reproduce. Her mental state-sociopath narcicest (again, I am not sure of my spelling); she will go back to her old ways....stealing and partying and find somone else to obsess about. Her ex-boyfriend said she broke up with him because she accused him of loving Caylee more than her.
Whoever said that about being black, etc.....it is proven that black men and women convicted of the same offense as a white woman, get more years and the higher convition. It is the truth. Do your research. And I am not black but, I know the statistics.
Just reading another comment. AGAIN, common sense doesn't win a case. AND leave her parents alone. Yes, they lie and their family is disfunctional and you may not like them, but for god's sake, not every mean person comes from mean parents. She was also old enough to know right from wrong too. And YES from what I saw, she is a product of her disfunctional, crazy family full of liars, but she is also old enough to know better.
Know what bugs me? How did her parents not know the nanny? A nanny she 'had' for 2.5 years? My parents knew my babysitters and on occasion had dropped off or picked up my children one time or another. AND, the million dollar question that I never heard an answer to.....WHERE did she go every day for 2.5 years when she said she was going to work and leaving Caylee with the nanny. I believe exactly what Ashton said-Caylee was getting old enough to start talking and she would be able to rat out her mom and her mom couldn't let that happen......
Mark1219747,
You wonder why someone would think you to be a racist? I don't know if anyone else caught on to your little bit of racism you posted on a different topic so I decided to enlighten you as to why people might think you to be a racist by posting another of your remarks for their inspection:
"Pandering to the Messicans. The funny thing is this guy was afforded every right a US Citizen would be in his trial. What would Mexico have brought to the table? Total pander for votes. I sense strange fruit in 2012" ~ Mark1219747
To those who wonder what he is advocating, it is the hanging of the POTUS with his "strange fruit" comment. Here is a little history behind the remarks:
This was a song written by a white, Jewish schoolteacher and union activist from New York City named Abel Meeropol, who was outraged after seeing a photograph of a horrific lynching in a civil-rights magazine. The photo was a shot of 2 black men hanging from a tree after they had been lynched in Marion, Indiana on August 7, 1930. The 2 men are the "Strange Fruit."
Hey Uncle Tom (that is what you said to call you, is it not?)
The "race card" as you call it brought up earlier was a comment referencing a hypothesis along the line of if Casey was black, she would have been convicted of way more than lying to the police. I happen to think that is true, you don't. No problem, Uncle Tom as opinions are like, well you know. And everyone is entiltled to their own opinions.
Mark,
Unfortunately for you, you are just an ahole born of aholes. Just my opinion.
marklepew,
You are correct sir.Billie Holiday made the song famous. "Southern trees bear a strange fruit, blood on the leaves and blood at the roots." "A strange and bitter crop" The song has a beautiful but the meaning of the lyrics and the feeling they impart.....I don't have the words. India Aire sang it on the Lightning in a Bottle soundtrack. Great version.
The song has a beautiful melody, sorry.
I have to wonder if any of those who are livid about this are doing anything to help other abused children, or if they just like to be livid.
Way...a person doesn't have to go out hunting for abused kids to help just to justify being livid about a case like this.
Yes, thank you Lynn and "Here, Here".... what an idiotic comment by 'Way'..
Lynn and Banana - if you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem! Get off your lazy, fat behinds and DO something!
such as.....?
Why is what 'way' said an idiotic thing to say? The trial is over. Can't be changed. Move on and do something positive, like what 'way' said. Stop being livid and do something positive for abused children or whatever it may be, but do some good and do it in Caylee's name or someone else's name or anything positive. Something productive is better than just sitting around being pissed off. I say 'way to go' to way2go.
I can't believe we've gotten so high minded that a child murderer gets off scott free because the jurors saw some technicality that absolved them of doing their job! We watched the defense attorney create lie after lie to confuse the public, the child's grandmother lied time and again to protect her daughter from justice. Now look at the net result and tell me justice was served. Murderer, liar, perjurer - they all get a free pass and the jury feels they did their job!
That wasn't high-minded. It was our Constitution. If you would prefer lynch mob justice, there's lots of third world countries that will satisfy blood-lust.
I think maybe he was just trying to point out the total lack of accountability that has pervaded so much of our society. This case is full of examples.
It's a sad situation. I believe she is guilty and I don't think I would have had any trouble voting for that, though I do agree with the juror that said it's difficult to name a punishment when you're not certain what the crime was. I do find it hard to believe that all 12 jurors unanimously agreed to a not guilty verdict in just 11 hours. I believe even the Judge was surprised.
I would like to know what the judge really thinks. We will have a good idea today at her sentencing.
accountability isn`t politically correct anymore.
This jury had at least 2 people on it who didn't graduate from High school, another person had family who'd been in prison, and another woman who said "she didn't like to judge others" ... ?? The prosecutors tried to have these 4 struck from the jury, but the judge refused and allowed them to remain.
I think that tells us a LOT about WHY this jury failed to bring even the Child Abuse charge against her. From the comments of the two jurors we've already heard, I don't think half of them UNDERSTOOD the parameters of the case, how they could charge her separately, and the difference between "reasonable" doubt and "any" doubt !!
John, tragically, this was all about jurors whose views represented the 20% minority of American thinking -- you know, white trash, rednecks and brainwashed drones -- that have failed testing on basic reasoning and common logic or this nation's idiots. Anyone with one molecule of brain matter got it.
This is one of the times when you see all that Sunday school training going out the window. It amazes me how many people claim to be "christian" on these blogs wanted her dead, or hoped she fried, and now they're threatening her family.
I hope the law acts swiftly and to its fullest extent for anyone taking the law into their own hands.
I will speak for myself, I have never claimed to be christian. And your last sentence......that is EXACTLY what I wanted for Caylee!
Actually, I am a Christian and one of the few standing up against vigilante justice.
Actually, I am a Christian as well, and I don't think Casey deserves to die. I do think she deserves to be held accountable for at the very least negligence in some form or fashion. The child was in her care, and is now dead. There was some middle ground available, but I do not know if the charges were presented in manner that allowed for such.
Also, it's a fairly broad statement to assume everyone who is calling for her head is "Christian". I'm sure many are, and if they actually had the power to put Casey to death by their own hand, my guess is most would not be able to do so. They are just venting their frustration at a story that has received a lot of media exposure.
Wow Sandie, whoa girl...calm down! And what exact harm here was done to you by little Caylee's death that has you so enraged? You act like it was your daughter that this happened to. I'm not in favor of vigilante justice either, but your rage is taking it to a whole new level. Back down!
Kookiekamp,
If you don't understand the harm done, I certainly cannot explain it to you. I do not take orders from anyone and certainly not the likes of you so backing down is not in my immediate or long range future. Now, go play with your toys and leave the grownups alone.
The only thing I can say is that jury was not listening to Jeff Ashton and Diane Burdick's closing arguments because they went through every point and even went through evidence that both sides agreed on like the chloroform in the trunk of her car, both sides agreed they found traces of chloroform in her trunk. Also, the prosecuting attorney pointed out if Caylee drowned in the pool and died that way why would they have ducted taped her mouth covering her mouth and nose so she couldn't breath, if she wasn't breathing. Why would anyone make an accident look like murder!!!! Just based on the fact that Casey did not report her daughter missing for 31 days is not a normal reaction for any parent. Either this jury is ignorant or they were so tired they weren't listening to the closing arguments. Jeff Ashton and Diane Burdick did an excellent job after I listened to both closing arguments, there is no doubt in my mind Casey killed her little girl. Now, Casey is talking about adopting a child or having another baby. I guess why not when she got away with murder. Casey's parents need to file a wrongful death suit against her so she will never become rich off of their granddaughter's death, at this point, that would be the only justice for Caylee!
Despite what Casey has done I don't believe her parents will follow thru with any lawsuits against her. She is still their daughter and though the death of Caylee has obviously devastated them, they still love Casey.
Closing arguments are not evidence and should NEVER be considered as such in the jury room. The fact is, the evidence did not link Casey to the commission of a crime, and the jury - and MOST legal experts who observed the case in part or in full - clearly stated the DA failed to prove the primary elements of the charges against Casey. How do you accuse and convict someone of first degree murder when you cannot even prove the child was murdered, let alone by whom, when, how, why or where...
The jury did not do its job. Okay no clear CSI evidence. After six months buried in a swanp I would think prints and dna would be washed away, especially after a flood. But not reporting your child missing for 31 days (and this was proved) and not guilty on the child endangerment charge. This is unbelievable. Common sense is DEAD.
I would agree with you, Pam, if the prosecution had done this right and tried to prove child endangerment or even manslaughter, but they didn't. They screwed up and got too ambitious. They tried to go for 1st degree. HUGE mistake. The time they spent uselessly trying to prove 1st degree murder would have been better spent trying to prove manslaughter or aggravated child abuse. If they'd done that, I believe they would have one. The fact is, you can't convict someone of murder just for not reporting a missing child. Doesn't work that way.
I agree, they are all going to get rich off of this,the parents will have plenty of their own money they won`t need to sue casey.
how much is a little girls life worth? I guess we`ll find out after all the book deals, movie deals, interviews etc are added up.
You are an idiot! You are an Idiot! You are an Idiot! Did you see her kill anybody? Did you see her put chlorform in the trunk? Did you see her type anything on the "family computer?" You are an idiot! You are an idiot!
The prosecution turned almost every bought defense witness to theyre favor. This was such a no brainer for the jury. I really wonder what changed all theyre minds after voting 10-2 to convict at first. Some one on that panel must have been really convincing.
I can not agree with Khans post any more. Very well said...
I guest only a few of us were paying attention, is not excusable what did Jury did, if they were tired ask say so & ask to rest before making such a Stupid un-excusable verdict & like u khans the prosecution did proof the case BUT justice will come to all..
I cannot believe for one moment that the jurors actually "deliberated" on this case. If they did, they never would have come back with a decision of such huge impact in such a relatively brief time. They were just itching to be done with the whole thing and start making money off of it. Disgusting. Juror #3 mentioned decisions based on the punishment?! That wasn't their job! They were to decide 'guilt' or 'non-guilt' ONLY; the punishment phase comes later. But, no, that would have kept them hanging around for a few more days, and god knows, they couldn't handle that, could they? Wow, a few more days in a Florida courthouse somehow does not seem as "painful" an ordeal as what little Caylee Anthony endured. But, you know what? What goes around, comes around . . . . . . . .I hope.
The jury system is not always right and any attorney or prosecutor knows this going into a jury trial. Beyond a reasonable doubt is the highest standard of proof. The state should not have attempted to go for this without sufficient evidence. There is also something to be said if the prosecutors seem over zealous to throw the book at someone. Jurors always start out with presumption of innocence (which is as it should be). We live in TV land with shows like CSI, Law and Order and Criminal Intent always showing things in black or white. How wonderful all the pieces fall into place. The technology is not like what they show on TV. It never works that way in real life. The actual statistics on first degree homicide convictions is not that good. Most are pleaded down to manslaughter or second degree. If it weren't for confessions it would be an infinitesimally small percentage.
I have twice been on a jury, including once in a difficult rape trial. The people who post about what the jurors "should" have done or assuming to know the motivations of the jurors seem to have not had any similar experiences. It's not so easy as people assert; it is a lot different when you are actually one of the people who has to decide, knowing you have to live forever with the idea that you might have made the wrong decision.
Yea and boy do they have to live with making the wrong decision!
originally some of the jurors voted not guilty, what I`m wondering is why did they change their votes without ever reviewing any of the evidence? To me that proves that they changed their votes from guilty to not guilty based on something other than the evidence. two facts are certain:
1) They changed their votes
2) They changed their votes,not based on the evidence,but based on something that wasn`t introduced into evidence.
Did they change their votes based on what other jurors said to them rather than on the actual evidence itself?
maybe they did just want to go home.
We have allowed our legal system to become what it is. Do I think she did it ? YES ! Would I have found her guilty of murder ? NO ! The state could not even say how this child died, they failed in a very large way...
It's a tough one. The state may not have been able to exactly pinpoint how Caylee Marie died, but common sense tells us that no child, who dies a natural death, is found in the woods wrapped in a laundry bag and stuffed into a trash bag. I think she did it and I would have voted for a guilty verdict.
Cindy----Yeah, well guess what, I think you did so I will see to it that you get a guilty verdict. Sure I may have no evidence whatsoever, but who needs evidence anyways. You have clearly demonstrated that you would convict somebody of a crime without evidence. How wonderful a system this would be if people went around convicting based on how they felt rather than what they could prove. It just so happens that I feel you are guilty, so therefore you are and it is worth giving you the deathpenalty over.
lorrie ...
Would you have found her GUILTY on Charge #2 - Aggravated Child Abuse ???
HOW could the jury have NOT found her guilty of at least that ???
@TexasMomma
One thing a lot of people are missing, is that the jurors have to consider the evidence in relation to the law. She may appear to be guilty of Aggravated Child Abuse, but the crime is specificially defined in law, and if they were not convinced her actions fit the definition, then they would be required to aquit.
She died on her watch and she tried to cover it up.They dont have to prove exactly how she died to get a conviction.
Child dies due to abuse or neglect- it becomes a felony
Tape around the nose and mouth seems to qualify as abuse to me...and saying you don't know when she put the tape there is silly...there is no reason to put tape over the nose and mouth of dead person or a live one either (unless she was trying to kill the child or keep her quiet and screwed up by putting the tape over both airways). It made no sense to put the tape on post mortem.
Would you have said she was guilty of a crime if they had found a broken hyoid bone? That is not an easy one to break unless by hanging, strangulation, etc....But since it "could" have been broken by one of the scavengers, who knew how or when it broke? At what point does the "gee, it could have been because of _______" stop?
See it is a matter of what you are looking atin order to see if there was a crime. To me, that tape over the nose and mouth was enough when the method of disposing the body, the complete LACK of reporting the child missing/dead, the lies she told everyone to avoid having to produce her child, etc... Each piece of the evidence need to be considered in relation to the condition of the remains, the mother's actions or inactions, and in conjunction to all of the other pieces of evidence...the overall picture.
So you can prove that it was Casey and NO one else that taped the mouth? If so that would be much more convincing than anything the prosecution put forth.
amused never runs out of logic spray. Excellent post. If only the jury would have had such linear, rational thinking.
They were color blind. Of everything but the color Green. And I firmly believe this to be true. Scotty boy went down for less, and I am sure he is pissed off beyond all belief right now.
If the Judge had been doing his job this never would have come to trial. The prosecution presented such a pathetic prima facia case it never should have seen a jury trial.
Oh the good Christians are in rare form for this one. Yes, kill the family. Kill, kill, get your pound of flesh. Heh, why not crucifixion? It was good enough for Jesus and He didn't party or molest children, or start unnecessary wars that killed innocent people.
Yes the verdict stinks based on what we know. But as always it is better in a country based on real justice to put one guilty person free than to convict an innocent man.
Yes, the juries make errors and the rich seldom go to jail, but it is better than a system of lynch mobs.
This is what this country has come to...
Actually, I don't think it is the Christians calling for vigilante justice, LOL.
Some are, some aren't, and it's just people venting...I guess much like you're doing.
I doubt the christians want Casey dead, they preach and teach forgiveness. Maybe they will put into practice what they preach.
Amen to this comment! Those angry people wishing death on Casey Anthony and her family need to (loosely quoting Jesus here) remove the log from their own eye before they concern themselves with the speck in someone else's eye.
Shrub Yet you are so quick to condemn Christians as if all these people are actually Christians.
Well, this is one Christian who wouldn't mind throwing Casey to the lions!
how sad it is that people get away with the perfect crime. i would have preferred to see casey anthony die of lethal injection as did timothy mcvey...along with o.j., robert blake and jon bonet ramsey's parents.
i truly believe that it was a father/ daughter stand off and who was actually going to squeal on whom. maybe grandma will someday come forward and tell what really went down, unless the truth eats her alive first.
rest in peace baby girl caylee....
What's sad is that Casey's crime wasn't perfect but she still got away scott free.
Jon benet's parents???? Do your research. They found dna on her-in specific areas- and in specific areas of the home that pointed to a stranger. There was never anything to even arrest her parents. Only speculation. People only got angry because of the 'beauty paegent' side of it all and the public went into immediate blame onto the parents and demanded answers so the police were pressured. They always look at the closest to the victim. Unfortunately, none of the public looks into it throroughly because of the media sensationalism. It isn't always the parents!!! Move on.........
I think you may be on to something here...Remember "Grandma Cindy was the last to actually have contact with Kaylee on Sunday. This is when she took her to the nursing home. She then suposedly went to work on Monday morning and found the ladder still up by the pool when whe came home. Maybe just maybe that grandma was putting on a good act when she finally called police a month later. After what might have happened was eating her up inside!!
OH, yes sure, that's it !!
So you think Grandma Cindy wanted to kill her little gd Caylee ... her ONLY grandchild ... a child they LOVED and TOOK CARE OF, MUCH OF THE TIME - for their very immature and totally irresponsible daughter Casey !!!
Im gonna laugh when these guys get busted. And they will. They will know exactly who you are, and where to find you. And they will have no problem busting you, same as anyone else.
No one is going to let it slide because its her. And you can bet she has an army protecting her. The police will happily bust anyone that gives them a reason. There wont be any sympathy because its her that is being threatened or hurt.
These people making threats are no better then she is, and actually worse. They are terrorists. Making threats because you dont like the outcome of trial or an election, theres no difference. I hope they treat the perps the same way they do Al Queda. Shoot them on sight.
I agree, the ones threatening Casey ARE like terrorists!
I'll reference them anyway I damn well please.
Save your whining for someone who cares.
hay the media is run by there bosses the government. they figure if they only print curtain thing they can prolong everything and make more money of the story or stories
no there just doing what law failed to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Freedom, talking sense to idiots never works.
I sure am glad to see that everyone on this thread had access to all the evidence and all the testimony. Can someone please tell me where they posted this, I would love to see it also.
Oh, wait a tick, no one here saw anything that the media did not want them to see. No one here heard anything that the media did not want them to hear; however I am sure that the media would never slant any coverage, any reports, or do anything dishonest in order to sell add space, or air time.
JustaGrunt....You are the first person on this thread that has said something that actually has merit.
I'm not saying that the media never slants any coverage but the trial was streamed live and many people watched it. So yes, you could have had access to all the evidence and testimony if you wanted to.
But most of these self-righteous knuckledraggers didn't watch the entire trial -- they just watched Nancy DisGrace.
JustaGrunt you are out of your mind. The media is the problem in these cases and they will push their opinion and slant facts to sell air time in a heartbeat!
There were cameras in the courtroom the TV viewing audience saw everything the jurors saw plus more. The wftv website has hundreds of links to all of the evidence.There are also links there to statements,photos,videos etc that were collected by the police but were never introduced as evidence, it`s actually a very interesting site.
http://www.wftv.com/news/23080678/detail.html
WELL SAID!
Dear Mr. justaGrunt,
I don't have to see anything the media puts out there to know that when someones baby drowns in a POOL they don't wrap duct tape around their heads, put them in three GARBAGE BAGS and a laundry bag(from their own home, mind you), and thrown their body in a swamp...OR DID YOU MISS THAT PART?
I think the issue is that the Prosecutor himself has indicated that several jurors did not take notes, which is really inexcusable. And the jurors asked for no additional evidence notes, nor ask any questions while in deliberation. This is not the norm for a decision like this. Especially when there is so much circumstantial evidence - which in fact circumstantial evidence has convicted many people, including Scott Peterson.
and yet some of the jurors changed their votes from guilty to not guilty,so we know for sure that they didn`t change their votes based on the evidence.They were instructed to vote based on the evidence but we now know that at least some of them did not do that,their votes were based on something other than the evidence because they changed their votes without ever reviewing the evidence while in the jury room.
I am here in Tampa, Fl, as I write this. This woman was tried and convicted by the media, bleach blond TV lawyers wanttabes, and generally loud mouths that don't their butts from third base. There was no way, believe me, no way that she could be convicted of a crime with the info that was attained. Like it or not, folks, this is the reality of the case.
You cannot railroad people anymore, and remember the old saying.....you and indite a hamburger, and it is done everyday, and then the attorney's get slapped all the back to next year when the truth comes out. Just ask the boys from Duke University as few years back.
Remeber, God forbid, it could happen to you.
Goddammit, the most logical post thus far. John, you should read this!Thanks Spaceman.
I agree! If something happens to one of anybody's kids, they'd better be squeaky clean. These people who want to throw the Constitution out the window over emotion could be one of your jurors!
ONE MORE TIME TAMPA BAY illiterates . . . culpable negligence (which was the lesser of the murder charges - i.e. manslaughter is defined as failing to act with the prudence that a reasonable person would exercise under the same circumstances. If it was an accident . . . CASEY FAILED TO ACT WITH THE PRUDENCE THAT A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD EXERCISE UNDER THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES. I realize that trying to explain that to a county that was incapable of punching a stupid hole in a ballot in 2000, is like beating my head against a wall.
A - Casey was the last one to see her child ALIVE (per her atty's opening statements, not to mention her telling the police she was with Zanny, the imaginary nanny);
B - Casey is the primary caregiver . . . and as such is RESPONSIBLE (a realize that's a big bad word for the bleeding heart libs . . . but do try and take it all in) for her child;
C - Her child is . . . DEAD. One plus one will always equal two, you jackwagons!
Addie, Put your lefty/righty filter aside. The stupid people on this jury were no more liberal than conservative. They held the proof of evidence to a higher level because the people of this country watch too much TV and they all think that a criminal conviction should be based on total empirical evidence....DNA, VIDEO CAM, etc. Most of the people in this country are too dumb to understand what is being presented in a court case unless it mirrors the non-reality they absorb from their TVs.
No John, you missing the póint on all this. This was a case of a zealous prosecutor with media sensationalized case trying to make a career and get a capital conviction. Of COURSE they could have convicted her on any number of charges, including Child endangerment and criminal neglect, but it was FAR more important to make a name for themselves. And I hate to break it to all the Killem all and let God sortem out folks out there but that attitude of prosecutors, trying to pin the most they can on someone, regardless of the evidence, is what has completely trashed any real justice we might have had in this country.
Carlo, I totally agree with you about over-zealous prosecuting attorneys who seek to further their own political ambitions. However, I stand by my observation that the average juror is brainwashed to believe in scientific evidence alone, to the exclusion of logic and reason. "Reasonable Doubt" has been elevated to a level beyond the original intent and purpose of our judicial system.
Lets see: 31 days w/o reporting a child missing? that is nothing? Lies, lies, lies, that is nothing? her car smelling like there was a dead body in the damn car, nothing? Her partying, partying, partying, Nothing? There were lots of circumstantial evidence for not even child neglect? This judicial system has been crumbling before our eyes and we are getting either to fed up or blind to see it... now what is bad we call good. I honestly believe that if you were the victim you were be talking differently... this is not you, this is not the media this was real, all of us who have two cents of a brain know she had something to do with this... now she will walk free because our judicial system is not working at all. The Jury? those were just looking for the opportunity and bounce right in with their preconceive mind.
The only way to eliminate ANY doubt is to actually see the person committing he crime. In the Casey case, the circumstantial evidence OVERWHELMING points to Casey's guilt. During the month that the little girl went missing, she may have been ALIVE. Had her absence been reported, professionals may have found a live child and rescued her. Since Casey obviously knew that she was simply fabricating lies to conceal the child's absence, Casey is, in point of fact, an accomplice to the crime. It is ridiculous to think that she was not even found guilty of endangering the welfare of her child. In the final analysis, this case is mostly about $$$. Besides all the lawyers who made a mint, most persons even remotely related to this case stand to benefit financially. Now, along with Casey making millions of dollars for at the least, contributing to the death of the child, if not perpetrating it, someone will find a way to have taxpayer's money used to protect from harm, because it was the court who instigated the violence by handing down "not guilty?"
Well aren't you smart, NOT! That Anthony broad killed that child and tried casting the blame elsewhere, anywhere. Her parents were only guilty of raising a crazy loon.
Carlo, you and Space have it right. People are so caught up it this emotionally, and understandably so, that they are seemingly unable to accept the rational and legal reasoning for this outcome. I think she is responsible, but I understand why and how she was found not guilty.
Ok I want to digest this scenario: Baby falls into pool. Baby's dead body is discovered by Grandfather. Mommy (using that term loosely) sees Grandfather holding dead baby. Grandfather speaks: "QUICK--go get the duct tape and a garbage bag! We MUST make this look like a MURDER! GO! NOW!" So that's what happened????
For all you trying to defend the jurors.........please STOP....you sound rediculous. Yes EMOTIONS are running high....only b/c a child is gone and a woman that was guilty was set free. The one solid truth is she DID NOT REPORT HER CHILD MISSING FOR 30 DAYS!!!! IF YOU ARE INNOCENT YOU DON'T DO THIS!!!! IF I WAS A JUROR.... THAT ONE STATEMENT IS ALL IT WOULD TAKE FOR ME TO WITHHOLD!!!! THEY ARE WRONG, THEY BAILED WAY TOO QUICKLY........END OF DISCUSSION.
I agree, and don't tell me they could not at least of come up with a hung jury so that this so called "Mom" could not be tried again later in case additional evidence comes up and it will. Even if she didn't intentionally kill her, she didn't report her daughter "missing" for 30 days and probably never would have had it not been for her lying mother. This woman went out partying and getting tattoos. She at the very least should have been found guilty of negligence or child abuse. If the jury found her guilty of lying to cops, then what makes them think she didn't lie about the other facts. Reasonable doubt doesn't mean acquit her on everything else. Even when one is told to not let your feelings be a part of your decisions, that is not humanly possible. There is more to this jurys decision then we all know. I hope they can all live with the fact that this woman is getting away with murder wether is was intentional or not. Hope they can look their grandchildren in the eyes knowing this woman duct taped and buried her daughter.
People are sexually assaulted as wrong children all the time, don't think that gives them a free ride to kill their kids because they have emotional issues.
The justice system is a joke, maybe Caley can hook up with OJ, they can compare notes.
I just wonder how many other kids your gonna find buried by poor distraught mothers now.................Hope the defense is very proud of themselves, but then again, I'm sure they are smiling all the way to the bank, not only will Caley be making money on this case but all involved.
billie370998- I Couldn't agree with you more. This case just showed the whole world that you can just lie and get away with murder. Karma is real and will come around to Casey Anthony
Sweet Sweet Caylee im so sorry this happened. Justice will be served one day.
Mother in Dallas... not reporting her child missing for a month DOES NOT MEAN SHE KILLED HER! Circumstantial evidence. Emotion does not get a killer convicted. You can argue until you're blue in the face, but not notifying the police DOES NOT MEAN SHE KILLED CAYLEE. Can you understand what I'm saying? There is NO scientific proof. No smoking gun. No prints. No witnesses who are talking. NO IRREFUTABLE evidence. Just assumptions.
Please don't every serve on a jury in a capitol case. Serving on a jury is a huge responsibility, not for the faint-hearted nor emotional prigs.
Do I THINK she murdered Caylee? Yes, I THINK she did. But, reasonable doubt was presented to the jury. They did the right thing. We cannot serve the death penalty on assumptions.
Is Casey Anthony a bimbo? You bet. Is she a liar. Yepper. Should she be sterilized? Not a bad idea. She's not mother-of-the-year. But there is not one shred of ROCK-SOLID evidence that says SHE KILLED CAYLEE.
Don't assume... it makes an ASS of U and ME. I agree with CO Mom... justice will be served one. She has bad mojo and karma. It will catch up with her.
Sterilzed, now that's the best idea I have heard yet...
They can't forcibly sterilize her based on the opinion of anonymous strangers on the Vine.
No artsyLady I can't understand what your saying...your way, way out of it to say its just "assumptions"... YOu DON'T need a smoking gun, you NEED TO Stop looking at just one thing at a time and PUT EVERYTHING together. What all you "Didn't-Prove-It" Meisters are missing is the Law provides for circumstantial evidence...
and "serving on a Jury is a huge responsibility" you say ?!? Yes it is !!! That's the number one most disgusting thing about this Jury... they only deliberated for a measly 11 hours which amounts to shunning the responsibility they had to go over all aspects of the trial and evidence...
BTW, there was no "Reasonable doubt" , rather only "a lack of Reason" on the jury's part.... C.A. is guiltier than the Devil himself...
Sick to my stomach, broke in my soul. Justice for Casey, but what about Caylee? The only thing I know is that soon or later Casey will pay! Nothing in this world is hiden from Heaven! God's law is not the same as men's law!
So, where was God BEFORE she died??? And please don't tell me he needed another angel in heaven. Most christians believe God chooses the day one dies.....if thats true then God did it....mystery solved.
Zala . . . it's called free will . . . God allows MANKIND (believer or non believer) free will.
Yes, i've heard all about the free will thing. My parents attend a baptist church so God won't torment them with hell - some free will there! My point is every time a child dies, some christian will chatter how "god wanted another angel" Your "free will" argument isn't refuting my comment.
Zala, then your parents, and no offense is intended, attended for the wrong reason. And I don't bash your lack of faith, please don't bash my faith.
What we're being led to believe here is that as long as a mother murders her child where no one can see, some defense attorney will come to her aid with lies to confuse the jury and the baby's grandmother will purger herself in an effort to absolve her daughter of the responsibility for the crime - and this is justice! In a just world they all would be behind bars. That was no defense. It was just another crime thrown into the lot and the jury bought it all. What a sick society.
Amen and amen.
yeah,... I double Amen that too...