They've drawn the line in the sand. So be it as we will need to be at the ready.

Golly Gosh, my Friends, it is with deep regrets that our Evil Terrorist Organization must inform you that our Great Leader Osama bin Laden, Number One, was tragically killed in a collision with an ox cart in downtown Rawalpindi. Please to be staying tuned to this Vine for more details as they are becoming available.

OK...so how come Obama will show Al-Qaida the pictures but he won't show us.

Paging Donald Trump...we'll accept just the short form of UBL's death photo.

There's another way to shut up the conspiracy whackos... invite Limbaugh, or Haanity, or Beck, or one of the other talking heads to the White House. Let ONE OF THEM view the photos and/or tapes of the mission under White House control. Then when they go on the air and confirm what they saw... end of conspiracy theories.

At the same time, quit deifying Obama over this. Make this clear: HE HAD NO CHOICE but to approve the kill. If it was ever found out he had a chance to take out bin Laden and did NOT authorize it, he would have committed political suicide. Period. What he DOES deserve credit for is NOT alerting the Pakistanis to the plan in advance. They've already proven they can't be trusted, so kudos to Obama for that.

I still think he's systematically destroying America a TRILLION dollars at a time though. Since he's taken office, has your home value gone up? Gas was $1.83 per gallon when he took office. Were you being forced to buy health care you didn't want before he took office? Which generation of your kids' kids' kids will pay off that $14 trillion debt he signed off on? Believe me, once this bin Laden thing loses its edge, Obama still needs to prove he can run a country if he wants to get re-elected. And right now he's failing.

Now Al-Qaida REALLY wants us all dead!

I was really wishing he was tied to a water board at Gitmo spilling his secrets and crying for his mommy.

I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02

Thank you Mr President for not sharing President Bush's lack of concern.

Yeah, yeah, yeah and the streets will flow with the blood of the non-believers and all that crap too.

al qaeda is having one hell of time turning this negative into a positive, aren't they?

"michelle", never said Bush was a 'god' like you Obama supporters deify him. Am I glad he got Saddam? Absolutely. Should he have continued pursuing bin Laden? Absolutely. All I'm saying is Obama had NO CHOICE but to approve the kill. Don't make more out of it than it is. (BTW, unless you have top level security clearance, you have no clue as to what he did or didn't write to the CIA.) And also, give me ONE example of how my life is better since Obama took office. Let me help you... you can't. Not even ONE example. "Hope and change" my @$$...

Al Quaeda the line ten years ago. We've shown that we have the will, the ways and we can cross that damn line when and where we need to! The good news being that they have verbally directed their assault onto Pakistan itself which is probably the dumbest thing they could have done.

On 3/13/02 it made sense that bin Laden wasn't the priority. His assets (his real value to al Quada) were out of his hands and there was a ground war in Afganistan. Calling bin Laden a priority at that point is like saying Hitler was the priority during the battle of Monte Cassino.

So yes, if it gets people like Michelle to stop screaming, Obama made the order. Not that I've seen anyone dispute that but some people are just broken records around here...

Well it must be true, Al-Qaida said so. The only thing I believe from Al-Qaida is they do want to kill more Americans!

David, the only people who are calling Obama a "messiah" are those who hate him. Just because we support him doesn't mean we worship him. That is a ridiculous thing to imply! Did you "worship" Bush? I doubt it but I don't deny he had his supporters (misguided as they might have been) ;-)

It just kills you people that Obama can actually succeed at something!

David, the executive order was reported on NBC, and CNN, although if you only watch TPRFox, you probably didn't get the report. My advice? Watch all three, then compare, and make truly informed posts.

That's funny I thought you Republicans don't need the governments help, if you're waiting for something to fall out of the sky guess what it ain't .......

Thank you Mr President for not sharing President Bush's lack of concern.

I saw those same sound bytes and G.W. Bush did not osama's name at all.

Most people know that he is dead - it's the multiple stories of "how" that are strange! Not to mention all the victory parades that are going on. . .

Nothing will shut the deathers up. Once a group latches on to a conspiracy theory they never let go.

.... and to the threat. Oh big deal, it's been "Death to America" for the last 15 years. Something tells me we'll survive.

I thought Al-Qaida was supposed to start singing kumbaya and give us all sloppy wet kisses because we were so respectful of their religion and our politician in chief wouldn't offer up any photographic proof to anyone that Osama was dead. I guess they shot that theory to hell in just a few days.

Our worst nightmare could be that they will actually put someone with inteligence in charge that has better ideas than shoe and underwear bombs.

Oh, David, I think reforming healtcare was a good start. Remember, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", or we all see what we want to see. Or, believe what we want to believe. It's called perspective, and everyone has a different one.

Just so those terrorists know, I disgraced their dear holy warrior's image yesterday by hitting it several times with a shoe. When I was done, I cleaned my back side with it. Hope it doesn't offend them any.

forgive me for not getting his name, i'm sure it is al-muhammed, or some derivative thereof, but, anyway, you worthless puke our joy turned to sadness on 9/11 and every day thereafter that our children have died in the name of your god and our aggression. i'm not one to hate, but i'll make an exception for ignorant cowards like you who need to brainwash women and children to do your suicidal, maniacal mass murdering for you. radicals don't need WMD's, you are like cockroaches and rats, you leave only death and destruction and excrement wherever you go. threats? really? do we look scared? i've welcomed death since the day my son became "collateral damage" in the hunt for cowards like you, so please look me up! just once i'd like to see one of you cowards stand up like a man for what you believe instead of hiding behind women and children.

Dan H-540362-

All of this has been explained to you, repeatedly in other posts and you still don't get it.

Come up with something new. you sound like a parrot

Yes I'm sure Obama put us in this mess, LOL LOL LOL Now I wonder whom is delusional ... He may not have done something for me personally but I don't expect him to, I pull my own weight in life and don't expect no hand outs ... But what would you know about that ...

I think we are all very happy that obama followed through with President Bush's order to take out bin laden,but why did it take obama 8 month's to say good bye after we found him. Was it a tough choice?

michelle

Have you actually tried to use the "new 'cheaper' Obama care"? When you do, make that statement.

Now Al-Qaida REALLY wants us all dead!

Bring it on, Al Q. Only the weak will be afraid of the reprisals.

@madMarineDad,

I am sorry to hear of your loss, Semper Fi............ he is with an elite group who gave all for their country

There is always a choice. Bush exercised it by choosing NOT to pursue bin Laden. Obama chose the opposite, and got him. It just kills you that someone you don't support politically did something right, doesn't it? Anything to get the black man with a Muslim last name out of office, right? Can't have people praising him. Maybe it's his race that bugs you, maybe you are one of those people insisting he is Muslim and therefore can't be good. Either way, just swallow your pride and admit: you're just as happy at the outcome of his actions as the rest of us. Bin Laden's gone, and it's because Mr. Obama gave the order. You keep saying he had no choice; that's bull@!$%#. Of course he had a choice. He chose to continue pursuing bin Laden. He chose to pay attention to the intelligence that was gathered. He chose to order a kill rather than capture. Those were all choices, whether you like it or not, and he chose something you liked. How about a little respect, no matter how grudging?

Maybe once our soldiers and children start getting killed in revenge, people will believe he's actually dead. Sad that would be what it takes, isn't it?

David - Trying to emulate Sean Hannity questions seems minuscule. Possibly you will continue with other talk show hosts later?

It's easy to forget, but Obama came into office facing a frightening situation. He assembled in short order an extremely competent economic team and took -- or, in many cases, continued -- the drastic measures needed to stave off disaster. And those measures succeeded.

The other primary responsibility facing a president is to keep the country safe, and there, too, Obama has gotten things mostly right. At the same time, he has tried to restore a balance between security and liberty in his handling of terrorists and alleged terrorists. He was right to end abusive treatment of detainees; he was right also to reject an ACLU mind-set in their handling.

In his first year in office, President Obama did better even than legendary arm-twister Lyndon Johnson in winning congressional votes on issues where he took a position.

The new Congressional Quarterly study gives Obama a higher mark than any other president since it began scoring presidential success rates in Congress more than five decades ago.

This list is short on purpose. I want things easy for you to be able to match up against Bush successes. Do it yourself. You do not need Sean Hannity to think for you.

p.s. - I hope you will not disqualify my answers simply because I am not a Democrat.

My question is to David, you mention in one of your earlier post that when President Obama too office gas was only $1.89 a gallon.........where do you living? Gas was much higher than that.

Oh, please...this won't shut up the conspiracy theorists. They'll insist that it wasn't Al-Qaeda that posted that warning, it was the White House or the CIA or something -- whatever their dimwitted little minds can cook up over beer and pizza.

Meantime, the FBI is doing further investigation into railroad spikes that were removed from CTA (Chicago) rail tracks several months ago, because there were plans to attack a rail system somewhere in the US on the tenth anniversary of 9/11/01. That was on the news this morning.

Just don't include the $14 TRILLION dollar debt

You sound like every republican I know, blame Obama for everything. What all you republicans so conveniently leave out is that Regan and both Bush's are responsible for 12 Trillion of that debt.

http:// zfacts.com /p/1170.html

Good post MarineDad! Now let's really open up a can of Whoop Ass on these delusional toilet paper heads!

Well david, you asked for ONE success.

The death of ObL isn't enough for you?

That was a majorly gutsy move on Obama's part to give that order. Had it failed, you punks would have been nailing Obama to the wall for it.

Thanks SmallTownPete - but I doubt they will understand what you're trying to point out. Facts getting in the way of their delusions and all, you know?

So Al Qaeda is threatening us again after OBLs demise. Gee! I'm so surprised! Can't wait to start hearing about all the Al Qaeda operatives and supporters arrested around the globe as all this intel is deciphered.

jus_unique - http://tinyurl.com/3glq9kb

"And also, give me ONE example of how my life is better since Obama took office. Let me help you... you can't. Not even ONE example. "Hope and change" my @$$..."

Actually I can. I just got a letter saying my kid is now covered under my health insurance well into college, which means she won't have medical debt to pay off , along with student loans, once she graduates. No president can please everyone, I sure as hell didn't benefit from tax breaks for the wealthy (aka the 1%)

Okay, set Ayman al-Zawahri up next. SEAL's and special op's can come and knock him down next. (Now that they've got the cycle going and are on the inside it will be much easier to find the next. Know that.)

Hey, Ayman; did you tell these al-Qaida guys to volunteer you for this?

Maybe while we are at it we should send Special op's after some of you who want to war with each other on Newsvine? !

The only real question here is: Will Al Qaida ACTUALLY follow through on their threats?

Interesting "freedman1". Let's look at your post in a little more detail...

-----------------------------------

freedman1

David - Trying to emulate Sean Hannity questions seems minuscule. Possibly you will continue with other talk show hosts later? Sorry sport. I don't have much time to listen to talk radio. Knowing who they are, and their positions, and actually listening to them are dramatically different things.

It's easy to forget, but Obama came into office facing a frightening situation. He assembled in short order an extremely competent economic team and took -- or, in many cases, continued -- the drastic measures needed to stave off disaster. And those measures succeeded. A "competent" economic team? Please tell me that's your attempt at humor. $14 TRILLION dollar debt? Ring any bells? Who's going to pay that bill? Just curious. Won't be me. I'll be dead long, long before that ever happens. Explain your "disasters" reference. And then, this'll be tricky for you, explain how "those measures succeeded". That should be a good one.

The other primary responsibility facing a president is to keep the country safe, and there, too, Obama has gotten things mostly right. At the same time, he has tried to restore a balance between security and liberty in his handling of terrorists and alleged terrorists. He was right to end abusive treatment of detainees; he was right also to reject an ACLU mind-set in their handling. bin Laden aside, what has Obama done regarding terrorists THAT WASN'T ALREADY IN PLACE by either Clinton or Bush? End abusive treatment? Tell that to the families of all the 9/11 victims and let me know how they respond, will you?

In his first year in office, President Obama did better even than legendary arm-twister Lyndon Johnson in winning congressional votes on issues where he took a position. Winning congressional votes? He had the majority, headed up by two idiots, Pelosi and Reid. It was the most NOT partisan Congress in history.

The new Congressional Quarterly study gives Obama a higher mark than any other president since it began scoring presidential success rates in Congress more than five decades ago. See above answer. Here's a hint: DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY.

This list is short on purpose. I want things easy for you to be able to match up against Bush successes. Do it yourself. You do not need Sean Hannity to think for you. Far more educated than you think :) With all due respect to Mr. Hannity, he doesn't think for me. In fact, although I agree with SOME of his points, I think he's far too much entertainer and not enough informative on-air talent. He too often, rudely, interrupts callers (and even guests) so he can say what HE wants to say, instead of letting others express their point of view.

Whether Bin Laden is dead has never been an issue. Of course he is dead. And that's probably a good thing.

On the other hand....

There is an old saying, "Hold your friends close to you, but hold your enemies still closer."

So, could it have served the purpose better to have simply known all, while not revealing it? After all, in WWII the U.S. was capable of decoding all Japanese crypted messages so fast that sometimes we knew what was up before their soldiers. And the same for WWII Europe. England had the enigma machine, decoding all messages as quickly as the Germans did. It served a better purpose to know, without letting the enemy know that we knew what they knew.

We'll never know.

David -

I'm no Obama deifier.

And to answer your question, no, I'm not better off than I was pre-Obama.

I would just point out, however, that our current lamentable situation did not arise with or as the result of who won the latest Presidential election. No, indeed, it took over a decade for previous Presidents to form and shape it. In hindsight, we can clearly see that their unwise policies and decisions were woefully lacking in foresight. They are responsible for putting a runaway train on tracks that led us straight to the cliff we've now gone over. The bitter truth is that a runaway train cannot be stopped on a dime, not by Obama nor by anyone else.

The timing of Obama's election was his great misfortune. It's tough to come out smelling like a rose when you're forced to try to slog your way out of a bucket of sh_— like the one left to him by his predecessors.

How do you not laugh your ass off at Al-Quaeda, if not for they were so dangerous in their complete stupidity?

So, someone kills Americans, then they get killed. Then because American killer got killed, there will be a 'retaliation.' And they wonder why they never do anything but sit in a pile of their own misery their entire lives, only to find there is nothing for them when they die.

I'd have to translate it like this:

"Now that we have committed 9/11, we will kill all Americans across the world, most ultimately!"

*Osama dies*

"NOW YOU WILL PAY, AMERICA! We will kill all Americans across the world twice each, and even more ulimatelier!!!"

See what learning in a Madrassa gets you? Its like the worst version of home schooling :)

great post, smalltownpete. definitely the thing i like most about the vine is all the information learned from those of you (on both sides) who keep up with politics, since, i confess, i pretty much gave up on politics after King George was crowned in florida. while the constant bickering and name calling and hateandwar-mongering can be depressing after losing a son in this "war", the information is critical as i try to dig my head out of the sand in these most troubling times.

So Al-Qaida can wake up from its seventh century desert cave.

Next their bloods should be mixed with pork for the sins they have done to innocents in the name of jihad and religion.

This should have been a secret mission, just go in there take bin laden and don’t tell anyone anything. But I guess the PR for Obama is more important the lives that it may cost.

SMALL TOWN PETE: Well done. But did you have to crush David so completely? He's lying on the floor right now, gasping for air.

Facts are a bitch for people like this. They can never see through their blind rage and try to be objective.

P.S. Will have to keep this list for future reference.

And also, give me ONE example of how my life is better since Obama took office

Dave,

How he made your life better, I cannot say. That is up to you to decide.

I will tell you that my salary (and yes, I work for a manufacturer in the private sector - actually much of our product goes into the automotive industry) has gone up several times since President Obama took office.

Also, my 401K has blossomed along with the ever climbing DOW. (If our president gets credit for all 14 trillion dollars of the debt and the current gas prices, surely he should get credit for the stock market as well.)

God Bless our Hawaiian-born President.

NOT FOR SALE;

Why don't you piss off. Was it OK with you when Bush did his hot dog stunt and landed on the carrier in his designer flight suit, proudly exclaiming, "Mission Accomplished"??? That was prior to 4500 troop fatalities and 20,000 + grievous battlefield injurys.

Do you folks ever and I mean ever attempt to be objective?

You're next, Ayman al-Zawahri.

Why do you all continue to feed David? Ignore the troll, he'll find someplace else to bait and hook.

Where in the heck was gas $1.83 a gallon???? I haven't paid under $2.50 to $3.00 plus a gallon (no $4 plus) in so long (at least in the places I have lived) that I can't recall!!

Typical - most on this blog are quick to criticize David who simply stated his perspective which I believe has merit. Try having a mature debate for once by allowing others to share their view without persecuting them. If you oppose, show us facts and site your sources to support your rebutal, don't retaliate by pointing out how awful you thought the Bush administration was while in office. Does that truly support your position? I think not.

Michelle - you claim David only gets his information from Fox and yet he is posting on MSNBC - one of the most liberal blogs out there....put your foot in your mouth.

Like it or not - we are all targets to the radicals. They don't care that you are Dem or Rep - they want to kill us all for being American.

There's another way to shut up the conspiracy whackos... invite Limbaugh, or Haanity, or Beck, or one of the other talking heads to the White House. Let ONE OF THEM view the photos and/or tapes of the mission under White House control.

I don't know what you listen to or where you get your information, but Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck have said nothing to doubt that Bin Laden is still alive. In fact, if there are those who believe otherwise, they are NOT necessarily on the right wing. There are some who have said the photos should be released (i.e. Hannity), but not because he has any doubts about Bin Laden's death, but because there are those who do. I don't think the "deather" movement is big or at all defined. I do remember when Saddam's son's were killed the pictures were displayed because we were told that many Muslims would not believe it unless they saw pictures of the body.

But calling it a "deather" movement and somehow insinuating that "birthers" are also "deathers" is just flat out wrong. But of course you know that. You are just seizing yet other opportunity to try to throw some crap at the right and hope it sticks.

No president can please everyone, I sure as hell didn't benefit from tax breaks for the wealthy (aka the 1%)

Sure you did, every single tax bracket changed from the 2001/2003 tax cuts.

madMarinedad- I make my case and they make theirs. All I can hope is people like you will see both sides and go do some research on their own to find truth. I know im probably not going to convince any of the extreme right wingers, but I can stop them from spreading lies as truth.

On a side topic, my grandfather and father served in the Air Force and after college I almost became a pilot for the Marine Corps wanting to follow in their footsteps. My father did everything he could to talk me out of it, so I took his advise to continue with a private career. I have the greatest respect for all who serve, and I wanted to personally thank you and your family for the sacrafice your son has made to protect this country and my freedom.

BJs65-634377

Well david, you asked for ONE success.

The death of ObL isn't enough for you?

That was a majorly gutsy move on Obama's part to give that order. Had it failed, you punks would have been nailing Obama to the wall for it.

-------------------------------------

BJs65, are you just plain learning impaired? "Majority gutsy" (I'm assuming in your own eloquent way you were attempting to say it was a very gutsy move)? Let me try to be a little more explicit in a way that hopefully even you can understand: HE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO APPROVE THE KILL. Failure to approve it, if ever leaked, would have been political suicide. He'd have been put in the same classification as Clinton, who famously had his chance to capture (or kill) bin Laden and CHOSE NOT TO. Anyone out there want to defend slick Willy for THAT failure? Please, please, try.

BTW, SmallTownPete, just curious... what Democratic or White House website did you copy-and-paste your post/list from? I am 100% certain that you did NOT know those off the top of your head. I'm also curious as to whether or not you actually read through the list you posted. Most of the "accomplishments" (a VERY loose interpretation of the word, by the way) you listed have the same end-result... make government larger.

The one that really made me laugh though was the one about how his "immigration reform" was stalled in Congress. Really? Didn't the Democrats control Congress in the year you cited?

The fun part about arguing with idiots is watching them succeed in furthering their standing in the community.

I still am waiting to hear how any ONE thing that Obama has done is of benefit to me or my family. Thank God I don't take government handouts. Too bad their answer to everything is more taxes.

Sherri2012 - I agree that it is difficult to pick up after a prior administration left a mess however it can be done. Look what happened after Carter (Dem) was in office.....

Obama obviously didn't know what he was truly getting himself into when he ran for President. His inexperience and naivety hasn't improved our situation in this country at all. I am suprised how many bought into the illusion that Obama would bring "change". Do you still believe?????

"Your streets will run in blood"...."death to America" blah blah blah

These people indent dirt with their heel, squat, and sh!t, all while wearing their sweaty robes. They can go to hell.

David-1161626

(re: David's Obama bashing screed, 1.4)

Gas was $1.83 per gallon when he took office

David, how much was gasoline in July 2008, and who was president?

July 7, 2008—Crude oil prices settled-in at a new record of $147 per barrel. The U.S. average price for regular gasoline climbs to an all-time high of $4.11 per gallon

SADDSAC- So your trying to say that Obama is controlling the oil prices? Have you not noticed price per barrel going down yet gas is still going up? So blame OBama? LOL

a White House that resembles something you would see in a Islamic country with the colors of Islam!

And you people wonder why your called racists! HA

Whos bowing down to Obama? Im not worshiping him what so ever. David asked for ONE thing Obama has done.

So David- are you trying to say there isnt one thing on that list that isnt true? None of those things effects you in any positive way? Come one you asked for a list, I gave you one and you cant find ONE thing on it that is good? Go ahead rip it apart and find all the things you think are false. Yes I copied and pasted because you asked for a list of all his accomplishments, who has that memorized? Next time dont open your mouth if you dont want someone to find a list for you.

David - queries

A "competent" economic team? Please tell me that's your attempt at humor. $14 TRILLION dollar debt? Ring any bells? Who's going to pay that bill? Just curious. Won't be me. I'll be dead long, long before that ever happens. Explain your "disasters" reference. And then, this'll be tricky for you, explain how "those measures succeeded". That should be a good one.

David, you were politely asked to pony up with your favorite Bush success, but I'm not seeing that from you.

"We're in the midst of a serious financial crisis, and the federal government is responding with decisive actions, our entire economy is in danger" - George W. Bush Sept. 23, 2008

Solid April jobs report shows economy gaining momentum
Nation's employers added a bigger-than-expected 244,000 jobs last month, data show - May 6, 2011 MSNBC Headline

Economic team included The 17-member Transition Economic Advisory Board -

*David Bonior (member of the House of Representatives from 1977 to 2003)
* Warren Buffett (chairman and CEO of Berkshire Hathaway)
* Roel Campos (former Securities and Exchange commissioner)
* William Daley (Midwest chairman for JPMorgan Chase; secretary of the U.S. Department of Commerce from 1997 to 2000)
* William Donaldson (chairman of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission from 2003 to 2005)
* Roger Ferguson (president and CEO of TIAA-CREF; former vice chairman of the Federal Reserve board of governors)
* Jennifer Granholm (governor of Michigan)
* Anne Mulcahy (chairman and CEO of Xerox)
* Richard Parsons (chairman of Time Warner)
* Penny Pritzker (CEO of Classic Residence by Hyatt)
* Robert Reich (professor at University of California at Berkeley; secretary of the U.S. Department of Labor from 1993 to 1997)
* Robert Rubin (chairman and director of the Citigroup executive committee; secretary of the U.S. Treasury Department from 1995 to 1999)
* Eric Schmidt (chairman and CEO of Google)
* Lawrence Summers (professor at Harvard University; managing director of DE Shaw; secretary of the U.S. Treasury from 1999 to 2001)
* Laura Tyson (professor at Haas School of Business of University of California at Berkeley; chairman of the National Economic Council from 1995 to 1996; chairman of the President's Council of Economic Advisers from 1993 to 1995)
* Antonio Villaraigosa (mayor of Los Angeles)
* Paul Volcker (chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1979 to 1987)

As well as New York Federal Reserve President Timothy Geithner, former Harvard President Lawrence Summers, Christina Romer & Melody Barnes. If you find these people incompetent, or even a joke, that is your prerogative, but it may not be consistent with facts.

Gross debt has increased over $500 billion each year since fiscal year (FY) 2003. If you think the desire to wage wars without paying for them is peculiar to one party or another, then you really are out of touch. Both political parties are actually quite similar in results, rhetoric notwithstanding.

David-1161626

It’s your kind of block-headed dumbness that leaves me not knowing whether to laugh or cry.

I think others have responded quite eloquently to your deficiency of reason, but I'll just put it in more simple terms (make it easy for ya).

If someone beat the pulp out of you, broke both legs and arms, robbed you of your savings, robbed you (and your kids) of a prosperous future - you’d vote for him first opportunity you got!

Then when someone showed up to help you – to try to right some of the wrongs you endured – tied to get some of your money back - and kindly offered to take you to the hospital to get some much needed medical care – not only for your arms and legs – but for some obvious mental health problems – you’d blame HIM for the attack.

If you're looking for WHY things aren't going so great in America (do you miss the Clinton years?) you’ve got to look into how we got here, not in what's happened on the last 2-1/2 years.

And know you're one sorry excuse of an American.

My bad, just notice the double negative.

are you trying to say there isnt one thing on that list that isnt true?

What I meant to say was: Are you trying to say there isnt one thing on that list that IS true?

David

you don't seem to understand the time it takes for something to come to an end once it is put in motion. Bush admin. activities set the stage for what is happening now. In fact, each administration sets a poor stage for the next and works to diminish the accomplishments of the present admin. The problem is that you can't see it and you are in the box money bought for you.

I am glad Bin Laden is gone from the face of the earth. The rest better watch their backs because Uncle SAM says they may be next. I am not a democrat but am proud of President Obama and his actions. He takes responsibility for everything that has transpired. He has succeeded where other Presidents have failed. Good job to our Soldiers and thank you Mr. President.

Good point Kedbob7-

He also doesnt understand that 12 of that 14 trillion he keeps talking about has nothing to do with Obama. Yet he loves to keep saying that he is repsonsible for it.

Heres who wrote the list.

This special list was compiled by Robert P. Watson, Ph. D., who is a presidential historian and Professor of American Studies at Lynn University. As some falsely claim " he hasn't done anything "

Wow, the trolls are well fed today.

Hey gas nay-sayers - our gas in Ohio was down to the $1.40-$1.50 a gallon during the time frame in question. So yes it is true.

David,

How does the saying go... "Pie on Your Face"! David you are of that particular mind set that offers little. You are a case book reactionary (someone who defines themselves not by what they are for but rather who and what they are against). You fear the "other" and in this case an African American President. You live in an evidence free zone where facts are never allowed to interfere with "how you feel". You appear to be a person incapable of introspection, self questioning or of critical thinking. History is something that started only this morning. If this President found a cure for cancer (and you suffered from the same) you would rather die then admit that a black President might just have the answer and God forbid your best interests at heart!

And your comment about "distribution of wealth" its called Corporate Welfare!

Doesn't sound like Al-Qaida is mourning for OBL.

It's going to be who's first to destroy the US Nation; there must be so much intelligence on these 2 rats, Alwazeeri, and Awlaki, they'll never make the top choices.

The Intelligence Agencies/and all others who were in involved in their deaths in that house, now have a skilled plan to get them; (their highly classified information), before they get started.

It's the home-grown Terrorists who are the most dangerous right now.

Hopefully, the wife being interrogated in Pakistan will be turned over to our Country for Investigation, but Pakistan is now our enemy. She is full of detailed information staying in the house, never leaving for 5 years.

@David, Obama did not sign off on a $14 Trillion debt, maybe he did add $1T to a debt that was already spiraling out of control. Bush embroiled us into a $3Trillion war on 2 fronts without funding the wars, while at the same time cutting taxes for his rich buddies, folks like me (from the looks of it you might just fall into Bush's rich buddy bucket) only save a few thousand from the tax cuts but lost a lot more in our home equity. If Obama had not caught the falling economy by pumping the money at the right places, saving hundreds of thousands of auto manufacturing jobs (the govt might even make some money from the bailout). While Bush bailed out AIG with more than $140B of our money (vs maybe 70B for the auto industry) which is an insurance company and that money is never coming back, because it went to secure the wrong bets of all the international banks and Goldman Sachs.

Now the republicans are eliminating Medicare, the one thing that has staved off a medical crisis in this country. How many insurance companies will provide you insurance when you are 60+? Do you think that you can survive on the $15K (that they are giving you in return) for an entire year. From my personal experience just a 1 night stay at the hospital will cost you more than that. BTW, do you know why they are eliminating Medicare, because they spent that money on the 2 wars, out of which the more expensive Iraq war was absolutely unnecessary.

You know, I was going to post something about how I am glad/proud/elated that the piece of crap Bin Laden is dead, and that while everyone admits it, there are STILL going to be nutjobs who say he isn't. Then I started reading this thread and it has, as most threads on Newsvine do, degenerated into Republicans calling Democrats azzwads and Democrats calling Republicans azzholes and nothing getting accomplished.

This is really too bad and this is emblematic of what is happening with our political leaders. everyone is so busy calling the other side evil that nothing happens. It is not statesmanship.

Is what will happen next on this thread is that the Republicans will start collapsing the Democratic posts and the Democrats will start collapsing the Republican posts and no one will be heard and, just like in real life, nothing productive will happen.

When will people realize that shouting at each other does nothing. Belittling each other and the other person's ideas creates more problems than before and it is counterproductive. It is sad and if this ridiculous behavior didn't have dire consequences for all of us, it would be a little bit funny.

And all of this is occurring on a thread which should be a celebration of the death of a murderous terrorist. It is almost embarrassing.

Well, folks, these are wonderful posts. I think everyone's mind has been changed as never before.

Hey David 1161626,

Give me one good example of how that horse's a$$ Bush improved our lives. We will be suffering for years to undo his catastrophe.

I'm waiting.

If you want a picture (that has been in the Arab news for days) - and contradicts the "official statement" that half his head was blow off.... go to the Arabic Al Jazeera

http://www.aljazeera.net/PhotoGallery/Aspx/Show.aspx?album=G_1402#

It's a slideshow, so you have to wait for the picture... It's not that gruesome and I'm wondering why Osama dyed his beard??? Whatever....

If the above link does not work use this: http://www.aljazeera.net/portal

Look to the left (the page is in Arabic and click on the writing next to Osama's picture......the slideshow will open up.

It's really funny how people say Obama "didn't have a choice" but to approve the mission. Yes he did. There were several ways to go about it but he chose the one that, if successful, guaranteed we had proof of ObL's demise. You just cannot reason with people like David - so I'm not going to bother.

RN - we could run the video, release the photos, parade the body of ObL through the streets and you STILL would think it's a fake.

Why bother with people like you?

Black Kettle - photoshop is available all around the world. See what I mean?

The last line from David's post was "I still am waiting to hear how any ONE thing that Obama has done is of benefit to me or my family."

David sorry to disappoint you but, It's not all about you or your family, the me me me attitude doesn't cut it anymore. Your just one insignificant microscopic speck in the big picture nothing more. Get over yourself the rest of us have. :-)

Michelle, one would have to be terribly naive to even think, much less believe, that Bush ever gave up looking for Usama. The only time he ever said it, likely to see if Al-Qaida would maybe belive it, was just about the time the CIA was following up on what KSM and pals were spilling about the courier.

Black Kettle - photoshop is available all around the world. See what I mean?

Don't shoot the messenger - the pic was in the Arab papers the day after he was killed, photoshop or not, I was not making a comment on authenticity, just showing what the other half of the world sees. I have an opinion, but I didn't offer it before and I'm not going to now.

Good to see these radicals so upset. To bad they did not lose their loved ones like others have due to their terrorist acts. May all the Muslims radicals pay the price for their actions and visit hell in the end. They warp their religion into something "UNHOLY". They vow revenge what is so different than before? They wanted to kill westerners before this. Are we supposed to be held hostage by a bunch of stupid , unholy people. Should have been a public beheading. What difference would it have made?

SmallTownPete - How did this impressive list get paid for? All the additions you list come with a cost. While there are many wonderful and needed items on the list, they come with a cost - hence the extremely accelerated debt load. Do you see the problem? It isn't that mainstream America doesn't want many things on the list, but they also want them paid for.

Rorschach 558483: time to get the facts straight. July 2008, crude oil $147/bbl. December 2008, crude oil $34.00/bbl. It did indeed drop $113.00/bbl. in a six month period. Gasoiline was $1.75 at the pumps. I'm not saying this is President Obama's fault, I don't believe it is. It's more a result of those (Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, oil companies) munipulating the oil market. Funny how BP had to pay billions from last years oil disaster and oil prices skyrocked while demand fell. But the fact of the matter was that gas prices were that low.

concernedone-

I agree that govt is going to cost something. I disagree that this is responsible for our "accelerated debt load". You make it look like anything the President's Successor is going to do, will just make govt more expensive for the rest of time. However, Obama is rearranging how Bush ran the govt, not keeping every thing the same and adding everthing on top. Isnt that what every President does when he takes over? Its called policy change.

Im not talking about the big things, like health care, social security, stimulus money, or military expenditures. These are the things I believe is acclerating our debt.

@RN in Philly

If it's cropped it isn't real would be the response.

Why should we stoop as low as those who kill our people by displaying their dead bodies, or worse their executions? Would you want YOUR family's execution being shown for political gain? I thought we quit dragging dead bodies down the middle of the street in the late 1800's.

May OBL rest with his God or suffer for his sins as his God sees fit.

Hopefully we knock off the next dozen "leaders" of Al Qaeda and they start getting a clue that maybe it's not such a good idea to be the leader.

As I said before! it was too late to Kill Bin Laden now! He has been around long enough to inspire and build his network of supporters, This war have no ending and it will continue.. and no one will win at the end.

All we can do is find a way how to protect ourselves because we will always be the target

Ronkonkamoa Chet-

Ya prices did drop very dramatically. Has anyone seen how much they dropped right when Obama took office? Look at the past 6 years of price changes and tell me what caused this.

http:// gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx

You can pick the time frames, and locations for average price. Also you can have it show crude oil barrel prices.

Jonathan -

It doesn't matter if OBL's death was publicized or not - they would still be planning attacks - it's their nature to kill and destroy.

@Michelle -

I agree with all of your posts. I also watch MSNBC, CNN and Fox to view from different perspectives and then make up my mind - although watching fox is quite comical. They tend to leave out a lot of facts. I also investigate on my own. After all, isn't that what intelligent people do? It's hard to believe so many Americans take information at face value without checking the facts and thinking for themselves.

SmallTownPete - Well defense spending is already moving lower, and the health-care plan was presented as a cost controller and cost saver... Time will tell. If the landscape hasn't changed by the next presidential election, you know where this independent voters ballot will be placed! By the next presidential election, the Democrats will have held the senate for 6 years, and the house for 4 of the 6 years, and the white house for 4 of the last 6 years. I'm giving them a chance, but things don't look so good right now for the left.

Longhair:

I saw those same sound bytes and G.W. Bush did not osama's name at all.

You didn't see the whole clip then. He's responding to a question which does include the name.

David, actually, YES my house has increased in value since Obama took office. And not a damn thing has changed about my health insurance. Go find something else to cry about now.

In the past, I was inclined to believe that drone strikes were the most humane way to attack our enemies because they resulted in a minimum of deaths of innocent persons. But since the supporters of jihad are complaining so loudly about these strikes, I suggest a new strategy: carpet bombing the tribal areas and those areas where the greatest calls for jihad against the US military and the American people have occurred. When there are no more calls for jihad against the USA and its armed forces, then the carpet bombing can be terminated. The terrorists have their favored form of warfare: terrorist jihad and we have our favored form of warfare: annihilating those who attack us or threaten to attack us. If this is what the terrorists want, so be it.

For the liberal sheep, your very own speaker of truths Micheal Moore thinks the whole thing is a conspiracy. Stated in an article right here on the liberal vine.

Not all republicans think this thing is a sham, I certainly don't , it would burst my little celebratory bubble.

bartender, i'll have a bin laden.

what is that?

two shots and a splash of water

the only people who are calling Obama a "messiah"

During the first election when he came down that set of fake marble stairs between the plaster pillars as if descending from the heavens, he pretty much declared himself the second coming. Jesus turned water into wine, he turned water into Kool Aid. Someone listed his accomplishments and as impressive as they are, it still can't make up for the broken promises, the apology tour, and that stunt with Calderon. This thing with OBL is a good thing and if his cockroach followers try to pull anything, they will get just what he did and worse. We did not start thig fight, but we sure as hell will finish it and them.

anat80- Micheal Moore is a conspiracy theorist, he makes money off his movies that promote conspiracy theories, what else do you expect from the man? Speaker of Truths LOL good one!

concernedone-

I understand the sentiment of the dems having most of the control of the legislative branch, so expecting them to get things done is definately a resonable expectation. They are the ones that approve the budget. On the other hand, I think that even though the house and senate were dem controlled, the republican president still had alot of power. Especially when he got to put the tax cuts in seeing as we had a PROJECTED surplus. Then extending those tax cuts. Then Obama was blackmailed by Big Business(republicans) that if we didnt keep the cuts businesses would lose money and the economy wouldnt recover. And lets face it, like you said, if the economy hasnt recovered come election time he is gonna lose alot of votes. Personally I think he is moving us in the right direction with alot of opposition from the wealthy, so as long as we are improving steadily, He will have my vote.

Also with health care- more needs to be done. Insurance companies are gonna do everything they can to keep status quo. They are making too much money to let him take it away.

Al Qaida doesn't have to destroy us -- we are working on doing a pretty good job ourselves. So much distrust, spewing insults, hatred and working to destroy others going on right here in this country between Americans. Unless we can come together more as one, they will not have a hard time doing us in. I am honestly afraid...and not so much of the foreign terrorists...I'm afraid of the direction of this country. We need to stop with all the blaming & bad mouthing before it does us in.

Mr. TLJOHNS, sir you make an excellent point.

I wish we could come together, but it unfortuneatley will never happen. I for one have a hard time standing by being prejudged and bad mouthed.

How can they view this as a negative development, since nothing happens, they say, without it being the will of all-mighty Allah. Obviously, the death of OBL was his will. In his omnipotence , if he had not wanted OBL killed he would have not allowed it.

USA FOR THE WIN!!!

Gary- Obviously you dont understand how they view things. They will say that OBL was a martyr and that the evil forces of the infidels must be driven from the holy lands for taking him from allah's children.

TLjohns: Agreed. One thing that does bear mentioning as regards the article: The United States has the largest unprotected border in the world. Let me repeat that: The United States has the largest unprotected border in the world.

Coming on the heels of Osama's death and the threats of revenge, it might be a really good idea to look at border security. Dirty bombs? If thousands of illegals of every criminal stripe can and do scamper across the border it isn't a stretch, but rather a certainty, that terrorists will be among them.

Rather than pandering to special interest groups, granting amnesty and suing states, perhaps Obama should turn a laser like focus towards the border. That is the easiest and most logical point of entry. What would happen to his ratings if a terrorist succeeded? Someone should point that out to him, maybe then real and viable border security will be created.

SmallTownPete - I think the projected surplus ended about December of 2001. Going to war against our common enemy (Al Q.) and the jihadists, followed immediately by the recession of 2002 eliminated any surplus (on paper) that we hoped for. Someone other than a president changed the rules. We choose to meet the challenge and, in turn, alter forever the "projections" from years past.

SmallTownPete -- If they believe as you say, then isn't that an indication of their confused , muddled thinking? On one hand, they believe that Allah is omnipotent and that nothing happens that is not his will and on the other hand, they believe that the killing of OBL was against Allah's will and that he will help them avenge it.. It can't be both ways. And , by the way, Afghanistan and Pakistan are not the Holy Lands. The reality is they don't want non-Muslims, infidels, anywhere on the face of the earth.

Mygirl- He has to fix the economy and deficit first. Theres is no way he is going to be able to spend more money on border security without addressing how he is going to pay for it.

Concernedone- Exactly, the surplus on paper. Once we knew that we were about to spend tons of money going after those responsible, why did we allow the tax cuts to continue? He even added another tax cut in 03 while spending millions on the wars. What do you mean by someone other than the president changed the rules?

Reading more of the above posts, most of which are:

....ooooh, lalalalala, Obama is a bad President, and

....ooooh, lalalalala, Obama is a good President

almost, ALMOST as boring as reading the jihadists on killing Osama Bin Laden. Its just that it's more laughable that in a society of free debate, it seems less likely that people will ever change their minds or stop spinning their wheels! :)

Gary- You still underestimate thier believes. They will think its part of his plan, that a martyr will rally more support for their cause and unite islam. They are not rationale people as history has shown of people with extremely religious views.

Also, OBL's hatred of the west started with the incident in kuwait and how saudia arabia called on the US instead of his islamic fighters to oust the iraqi forces. The US is not the nice little helper that we portray ourselves to be and he knows this. He doesnt want us in the politics of muslim countries. This has everything to do with the Holy Lands, the fact that he was hiding in afgahnastan has nothing to do with it. It was simply a safe haven for him. Im tired of giving you a history lesson, why dont you go read about what it is you wish to know. Go find out why Osama was so opposed to the US and come back and let us know what you learned.

Toad... to answer your question, because BO has lied to us too many times during his term..... that's why!

David, here is part of an essay www.thethinkingman.com that will explain in part why this administration has failed us:

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit.”

-Senator Barack Hussein Obama on March 16, 2006 criticizing the Bush Administration

"Today, President Obama wants to raise the debt limit and, until challenged by House Republicans, wanted to increase spending. Perhaps his next book should be titled “A Failure of Leadership, or How I Screwed up America.”

Let’s review:

1. Obama gives his first interview as president to...(drum roll please)…Al Jazeera, not CNN, ABC, CBS, his beloved MSNBC or, dare I say, Fox News. He tours numerous countries in the Mideast, but never sets foot in the only democracy and strongest American ally in the region, Israel.
2. First statement as president: “I’m closing Gitmo.” The reality: Gitmo remains open more than two years into his Administration.
3. He says he will withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan. Truth: Sen. Obama voted against Bush’s successful Iraq troop surge, but used the same strategy in Afghanistan. And it is Bush’s troop surge in Iraq that is allowing Obama to begin our drawdown there.
4. He wanted to “talk” to our enemies (Iran, North Korea). Result: Iran continues to build its nuclear capabilities and completely disregards the demands of the Obama Administration. North Korea continues to be belligerent and act against our interests in every way they can, sinking a South Korean navy vessel, shelling a South Korean island, test firing ballistic missiles across the Sea of Japan, selling arms to terror groups, etc.
5. This environmentalist president takes weeks to respond to the problems of the gulf oil spill and hinders the Louisiana governor from quickly reacting to the spill. Finally, Obama flies down to review the damage and asks Americans to vacation in the Gulf and support the Gulf economy. He vacations with his family in Maine soon after.
6. Obama tramples on 200 years of contract law by destroying the rights of GM and Chrysler bond holders and forcibly assigns those rights to the unions in a “pre-approved” bankruptcy of those companies. Obviously, some working people are more equal than others. If you were a clerk at a plumbing supply store, worked hard your whole life and bought a GM bond for your retirement, your money was transferred to a UAW worker so he could keep most—if not all—of his retirement benefits.
7. Cash for Clunkers, another Obama disaster. This program, designed to last about six months, used up all its funding in two weeks! Checks were sent to inmates and others who defrauded the government. Once the money was gone, sales of cars plummeted again. Duh!
8. Obama turns his back on Poland and eastern European allies by reversing the Bush Administration’s deal to build an anti-missile defense shield in those countries. Obama wanted to appease Russian demands that these missile defenses not be built. What did we get in return from the Russians? Well, they invaded Georgia, didn’t support us in the UN regarding sanctions against Iran and continue to undermine US foreign policy in general. Obama, the great negotiator at it again.
9. The economy. Well, first Obama continues to ungraciously blame Bush for the housing crisis and financial collapse. Let’s forget the fact that the crisis was caused because Democrats, including Obama, insisted that lenders issue mortgages to people with little income, no credit and no money. How did the Democrats do this you ask? Using Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac with their implied federal guarantees for those loans and buying up these “sub-prime mortgages” from commercial banks. Both Bush and McCain warned about these institutions years before the meltdown and wanted to regulate these agencies—but the Democratic Congress refused to listen or pass legislation to regulate Fannie and Freddie. In fact, Barney Frank, chair of the Banking Committee, said in June 2008 that Fannie and Freddie were financially sound; they began to collapse only three months later, in September of 2008. Obama recently pushed for and passed financial regulation, but Fannie was exempted. The taxpayer has virtually unlimited liability for these agencies and could be on the hook for hundreds of billions, if not trillions, of dollars. Thanks, Barney and Barack…two financial geniuses.
10. Then we have the stimulus package forced through by the President and the Democratic Congress. This almost $900 billion fiasco was designed to create jobs and stop unemployment from rising above 7%. Result: Unemployment reached nearly 10% and, according to the White House, three million jobs were “saved or created.” That’s about $300,000 per job!! Wouldn’t it have been better to send nine million people a check for $100,000? Or 18 million people $50,000?
11. Obama’s biggest disaster was yet to come…Obamacare. Sold to Americans as a way to reduce escalating healthcare costs and cover millions of Americans who were uninsured (including those who could afford insurance but refused to purchase it, illegal aliens and others who would qualify for care by simply showing up at a hospital), this colossal bill passed without a single Republican vote. In fact there was really no vote at all; it passed using a technicality never used for something this important and of this size. (In comparison, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the income tax all were passed with a bi-partisan vote.) The result: Insurance premiums increased from 10-35% and the White House had to issue a thousand exemptions to unions (most of which supported the bill), businesses (large and small) and entire states (Maine for one). Since when do we pass laws that only apply to SOME people?
12. The border. We now have people crossing the border with Mexico at will, spreading the Mexican crime wave to American cities and states. Phoenix is now the kidnapping capital of the U.S. Some areas of state parks are unsafe for American hikers as much as 80 Miles from the border, and some are even closed to U.S. citizens. What is the Obama Administration’s response to this assault on our borders? Obama orders the Justice department to sue Arizona and allows the Mexican president to come to the U.S. and berate Arizona in a speech before our Congress. How’s that for audacity??
13. Enter Libya: Obama gets us involved in yet another war with no exit strategy, no idea how it will end up, who the people we are supporting are, and without Congressional support or permission. Just what we need, to be in the middle of a civil war and not really be sure we are supporting the good guys (if there is such a thing in the Arab world).
14. Those of you who still for some reason or mental illness support this presidency—consider that wheat, juice, gas, milk, gold, silver, copper, corn have gone up from 20-200% in the last two years. Add that to your increased cost of medical insurance and think long and hard about your next choice for president.

I could go on… but there should be enough here to reflect on. I’ve heard people say Obama is really smart; yes, he’s a smart politician, but an awful President. Of course, he thinks there are 57 states, a gaffe liberals always overlook while constantly referring back to Palin’s “I can see Russia…” remark. But then she was only the governor of the largest state, managing 25,000 employees and the country’s most important energy supply, while Obama had vast experience as a community organizer (whatever that is).

On April 18, 2011, the S&P credit rating agency placed U.S. debt on a negative credit watch. Mr. President, perhaps this job is too much for you. Resign and let my eight year old niece, a successful lemonade entrepreneur, take over. At least she has actual business experience."

nuff said, David?

SmallTownPete - A holy war was declared against us by Muslin extremists. They are the ones who changed the rules.

The tax cuts... The first one was enacted in the middle of the recession of 2001 and did little or nothing to affect the economy. The second one was in 2003, and was decisive in turning things around. The economy had a good run, then blew up - very much like the dot.com bubble bust. Many people were hurt in BOTH situations, but obviously more in the latter.

My opinion is the tax cut extension is still critical at this stage in the game, but may be OK to repeal (or expire) when normalcy is reached again. I really look forward to the situations we face as a nation in 2 years. I hope for the best, but an not too optimistic.

By the way, weren't the "tax cuts" only repeals of the Clinton era tax increases?

Yeah, David, so what do you have to say now??

Next stop--pakistan--all aboard!!!

Gosh, no, really? Muslim fanatics vowing murderous revenge when we took out the head Muslim fanatic?? I guess it's kinda hard to top Monday's headlines.

I've said all along I'll give the President full credit when due and eradicating U. bin Hidin' was a smooth move!! I'd have said the same if Hillary, Huck or McAin't gonna happen with Palin had emerged from the fray in '08!

I don't understand all of you having the Obama vs Bush debate on this operation. We've always gotta get into the politics of it all. Draw the party lines and blindly support whoever happens to share your affiliation? Obama gave the green light, and he deserves the credit for just that (greenlighting the operation). If it went wrong, sure he would have been humiliated in front of his peers. I say BFD. I routinely embarrass myself in front of my colleagues.

The real props the warriors who actually CARRIED OUT this operation. The fellas on the ground storming the compound, the pilots who brought them in and out, and all of the support personnel who helped them carry this out without loss of life to our own. So sure, if this went wrong Obama would be put in the spotlight and humiliated for his "mistake". But at the end of the day, it's the folks whose names we'll never know who put it all on the line to do this. They were the ones who put themselves in danger. Stop making it a political debate, and just be glad that there are folks out there willing to do what most of us won't do to protect this land.

David, Obama may have raised the debt, but he did so largely to pay for the unfunded actions taken by his predeccesor. The debt was there when he took office, he simply put in on the books as it should have been in the first place. As for how my life is better, a simple answer would be it's about the same, but I unlike you evidently, do not count on the government to make my life better. A more complex answer would involve the fact that I no longer will have to worry about covering the health care bills of people who selfishly go through life believing they don't need insurance, and then want the taxpayers to cover their bills once they have a heart attack and change their minds!

"You lived as a good man, you died as a martyr"

I'm sure Satan appreciates your efforts, and will welcome you with open arms.

M.Fisher:

" ... you don't know your a$$hole from a hole in the ground so why don't you get some real arguments or shut the f'k up."

Ever try reasoning or civilized language to make whatever point you're trying to make? Perhaps you don't realize that using all capitals or all bold is the equivalent to yelling? Not very persuasive at all.

Small Town Pete: oil prices bottomed out at the end of 2008 and have risen steadily since January 09, which is when Obama took office. I don't believe he is responsible for the increase, but if Bush was in office the libs would not stop hollering that he's in bed with the oil companies. Funny how Obama gets a pass.

SmallTownPete

#1.39- That was excellent and I didn't see anything about Health care of financial reform. Great Job of attempting to quiet people like David with the truth but we both know it won't work... Again, Great research my man...

Ronkonkoma Chet

#1.130- It's not giving the President a pass, it's just admitting he is not totally responsible as republicans attempt to do..

Correction- As republicans negate to do...

PoliticoMan: I'm a Republican and I do not believe Obama is responsible for the increase in oil prices. The rise in prices was speculative, there hasn't been and there still is no supply problem. If anything, the supply is so vast, they are building more storage capacity to horde more of it. So not all Republicans blame Obama.

Here's the perfect reply to the David and M. Fisher stirring the kool aid types- hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

David-1161626 - It took the last President 8 years to destroy the economy, why do you believe it would take the current President less than 4 to repair it?

I love the old "It took Bush 8 years to destroy blah blah bullsh!t." addage. It shows people will go to any length to excuse their own party. The major portion of the slide came in the last 2 years of Bush's reign. Now, who controlled congress during that time, and is repsonsible for the economy collapsing, and not the president? Hmmmmm. You might wanna look into that before blaming the President for things he doesn't control......

TL JHONS : WELL SAID

Hey Gharms! Long time no see!!

Still hating, I see. You do understand that both Parties are Complicit in creating the conditions putting us in the situation The United States of America is in, just as much as they deserve credit that we ARE in the situation we are in. And it has been going on a long time. Bush just sped up the process. Obama is just keeping things as real as he can(not necessarily a compliment) by keeping many Bush Policies in place.

Things may be heading downhill, but what a Great Country to be in for the ride.

Gotta go. Peace.

The only folks who don't believe BOTH parties are responsible for our economic mess are those sportin' their (pick a party) issued blinders!!

SmallTownPete -

Great list, but you forgot one - Cash for Clunkers. It saved thousands of auto part manufacturing jobs in Indiana (a shame Mitch Daniels takes credit for this) and other parts of the Midwest. Unfortunately, the disaster in Japan is hurting these jobs because the Midwest manufacturers can't get parts made in Japan for production. Before the disaster these companies were working up to seven days a week with three shifts. There have been huge lay-offs in my Indiana home town of 20,000 where we have two auto part manufacturing companies - one company had to close for at least for four months and the other is only working three days a week. I guess the"right" will blame Obama for this and then elect Mitch Daniels.

As for Michael Moore, not all of us "lefties" fall for his crap, just as those on the "right" probably don't agree with what Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity are saying about Bin Laden - "killing Bin Laden in cold blood", "the shooting was disgusting" - it's like they are making Bin Laden a martyr and Obama is the bad guy for giving the order to get Bin Laden. Don't they remember Bin Laden is the person responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people on American soil?

One more thing that I have never understood - why is the President, no matter who is in office, is always blamed for gas prices? Please someone who blames the President for gas prices explain to me why it is his fault.

Again, notsojingo, you're placing blame on the president.....either one.....for things congress controls. This WHOLE FIASCO has been overseen by a democrat controlled congress. Neither president is to blame. The sooner YOU realize how government works, and stop blaming presidents at all, the better of we'll all be. But yes, both parties are complicit, I just get sick of the detractors and cheerleaders of both sides placing blame and giving credit for things neither president controlled. Sadly, the reason I look so biased is it's usually the left placeing blame and taking credit for Obama for things he had little to nothing to do with.

All the disrespect, hate, anger I read here . . . a shame really. Your children will continue it seeing their parents behaving thusly. Same goes for children of others in foreign lands. Rest assured the hate will continue. So we kill some of theirs and they kill some of ours. Each side repeatedly claiming revenge as if that were justification to continue the waste of effort that is war. Sheesh. I'd sure like to see justice, peace, equality, etc at some point in my lifetime but reading the comments here realize sadly it won't happen.

We become 'them' when we spew the same hatred changing merely the language from Arabic, or Hindi, say, into English. Without respect this war game the world plays won't ever stop. You begin to lose hate when you substitute a genuine desire to understand where someone is standing.

The counterpoint to this conversation/exchange we have here exists in the lands of those we refer to as 'terrorists.' Again, simply change the language. They are us; we are them; in terms of equality of hate and disrespect.

Try a higher path folks. I mean really, how long shall we all waste the energy to keep this insanity going?

Susan (@ #1.65)

Apparently you didn't read my post for content.

You missed the part where I said I am not an Obama "deifier."

And in fact, you missed the entire gist of my post, which was that at the moment when Obama stepped into the presidency, we were already well down the tubes with little chance of rescue anytime in the foreseeable future...not by Obama nor by anyone else.

If you want to know my personal opinion of how well the President has handled our economic difficulties, I would have to say that he's done a fairly abysmal job of it...yet not nearly as abysmal as the previous Presidents who cheerfully sent the collective snowball of our financial woes rolling down the hill. All the while they were well aware that it when it finally turned into an avalanche, it would land at the feet of someone else...not them...who would have to deal with the problems and take the flak.

Haven't you noticed that's the way our politicians operate?

Al-Qaida vows revenge for bin Laden's death

And we get 144 post about Presidents.

Kill all of Al-Qaida.

Well, I've got just one thing to say to everyone of you!!!!!!

............................this was a really long comment block........................

one month after Pres. Obama came to office, he wrote an executive order to the CIA, to make the main thrust of intelliegence gathering to get bin Laden.

Was this about the same time that Obama told NASA that there main thrust should be improving relations with the Muslim world? I guess it's really true... Obama's head is just full of space.

Hello Gharms!

Again, notsojingo, you're placing blame on the president.....either one.....for things congress controls.

I see where my words can be interpreted as such. Sorry for not delineating better.

Actually, I have repeated often that any President is just a puppet being told how it goes. If he happens to be a chicken hawk, it just appears that he is more a military backer, but that he has no real control over what operational actions are. Just 'official approval'. It is the Punch & Judy Show. And most pay no attention to The Man Behind The Curtain.

I have used the monicker for our current POTUS, Bushbama, for nearly two years now. He has kept in tact so many of the previous administration's positions, wars, tax breaks, GITMO, etc., and I do not blame him. I imagine the consequences of his not doing so are much worse than words.

Once again, we find ourselves in agreement.

Peace

Now Al-Qaida REALLY wants us all dead!

Yes, they were just joking around to start with.

Tyler- I attributed the list in post 1.75

Heres who wrote the list. AGAIN

This special list was compiled by Robert P. Watson, Ph. D., who is a presidential historian and Professor of American Studies at Lynn University.

I see people copy and paste all the time on here, whether its others opinions or not. I have yet to see posts deleted for not having sources although I did list mine in a later post.

1.41 deleted,SmallTownPete copypasting this list without attribution. Don't plagiarize

Are you taking sides? Thats not what a mod should be doing.

I just read through the code of honor, the only place it mentions plagarism is when writing your personal newsvine column. There is nothing about citing sources in posts/comments related to articles.

I would just post the list again, but I dont want the wrath of this Newsvine Regime to come down on me too hard.

I wish we could come together, but it unfortuneatley will never happen. I for one have a hard time standing by being prejudged and bad mouthed.

That's all you have done in your posts - get real - you have not tried to have an intelligent conversation with anyone but instead have gone on the attack. The majority of people who post do not attack - why stoop to the level of those that do?

Please, move along to comment #2

Life is a hoax. We're all just hooked up to the matrix.

Time to stock up on Pigs blood !

Speak it!

Osama was said to have helped Bush get reelected by his timely release of messages. Maybe he made a deal with Obama to help boost his numbers in a similar way.

Clearly keeping peace with Al-Qaida isn't the reason for not releasing the pictures - either way they are still swearing vengeance. Maybe pictures of an unarmed Osama shot, bloody, and lying on the floor in front of his children might put a bad face on our actions or hurt Obama's reelection campaign.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain - there's no need to doubt my word - if you are asking for proof it is because you are clearly a nut - I've seen the pictures and yes it's him, so there's no reason for anyone else to... After all if I were to give you information, it might get misused in some way and inspire people to want to take action against America...

There's no way that someone willing to spend $1 billion dollars on a reelection campaign would ever think about pulling such a hoax.

Wasn't there a $25 million dollar reward for Osama? I wonder who is collecting it?

@DanH,

Reynolds Wrap called and said your order of aluminum foil is ready for your conspiracy party. Michelle and Sarah said they would be coming, sorry but Donald has a hair appointment and can't make it

Aluminum foil only works against aliens. I see you folks will still fall for anything. Bahahaha.

Dan. I'm sure Obama has his share of the $25 mil.

lacywild/dan: You are an alien (try to loosen that tin foil)

Yes time has come to start pig blood bank.

Each time Islamic radicals take hate marches with death to ... or Islamic terrorists are killed the pig blood should be sprayed on them.

Last I knew, the 25 million reward doesn't get paid if the military takes out bin Laden. Therefore, Pres Obama saved the US Gov 25 million. He did a good job of helping to balance the budget and reduce the dept - by 25 million! What have you done?

AP. Since when does being childish accomplish anything. We all have the right to believe what we want to. After all this is still America. At least I think it is.

This just in:

Las Vegas and Orlando are in competition for the "Al-Qaeda Leadership Convention". It's reported that Donald Trump will give the keynote address, after verifying the birthplaces of all the nominees!

Dear Al Qaida:

Do what you have to but please don't blow up the Trump towers. It would really hurt our feelings.

Thank you.

Mark - Really? Your attempt at sarcasm is misguided... What if this happened and 1,000 Americans lost their lives? Not so funny now, is it?

Abestos: if President Obama can do that 560,000 more times there would be no deficit. If we stop all foreign aid we'd save countless Billions.

lol Mark, I find that quite funny! Lighten up concernedone.

yes by all means not the Trump Towers

al qaidia, Please don't blow up California, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Philadelphia, Washington DC...That would just break our "bleeding hearts"

Now that is funny! If you're offended, please lighten up a little, and if it really happened well.....

Al Queda, please don't blow up anat's home. All those flying beer cans and empty pizza boxes might hurt innocent people.

Funny I don't drink. Nor do I keep my pizza boxes lying around, I recycle them!

However, I hope they come after you and those like minded, then we can really save some tax dollars, by not having so many welfare recipients.

If they should come to our soil, I hope they do stop by Texas, It's probably the only way we'd defeat them...'cause sweetheart we don't have to name ourselves "little sure shot" we just know we are that good!

They should stop by Texas, that way they would meet people with equal intelligence.

Hey, fellow Democrats....Maybe for once we have the Republicans attention. All we have ever asked them to do is be honest, tell the truth and stop telling lies. If we could all just stick together on this, keep presenting them with the truth, and not return their rude name calling. I think we all will look more like our Great Leader, President and Commander and Chief, Mr. Obama. Class Act.

Breeze- I'll just accept that you're another ignorant liberal sheep, who assumes the south is a particular way, because you are a fool who believes in sterotypes...dare I call the prejudice card on you ...turn about is fair play.

Nope, not a liberal. I work with Texans all the time. Just calling it the way I see it

breeze- I call it the way I see it as well, your ignorance is as deep as the $$$$ going on in Washington.

anat

Breeze didn't say anything about the south. He said something about Texas. When people like you prove it with your ignorant hogwash it's not a stereotype. Out of the last 12 Texans I met, I met 1 that wasn't full of it and he was from Austin.

I'm not prejudging you either. I already read your posts and came up with a pretty accurate picture of you.

Oh how clever are you my dear. do you suppose you have a dangerous mind simply because it can not be used to capacity or because you choose to vote with it. Sadly, I am not at all jostled by your attacks on Texas or the south I am pretty confident that I am on a level or higher playing field than yourself...

That being said, I dare not mistake attacking where you may be from because I know all too well that it's not which region, country, class, or state in which you derive from , but which state of mind in which you choose to think and take action with. I also know that you are just a few, and there can't possibly be whole state full of you and your dim witted peers.

ROFLMAO...anat80...somehow I knew you're from Texas

ROFLMAO...anat80...somehow I knew you're from Texas

Lol Doc, pretty easy to spot the idiocy isn't it? You can spot them a mile away!

Yup, I can see it everytime someone bases the judgement of someones intellect on where they reside at.

Yup, I can see it everytime someone bases the judgement of someones intellect on where they reside at.

Oh great another Texan. We should give Texas back to Mexico, but on one condition- they have to keep the people. I'd be willing to bet they would refuse.

Actually, I'm from Oregon, but thanks for proving my point.

West coast liberal, go figure

......I'm also a Republican, and Conservative, but again, thanks for proving my point lol. Any other assumptions you'd like to be wrong about?

Then you belong in Texas with all the other idiots

Again, thanks for proving my point. You're on a roll for making yourself look like a moron.

Maybe they can actually accept reality unlike the conspiracy theorists in this country? (scary isn't it.,)

because they're in denial.

Most of them don't want to believe because it would mean they would have to admit President Obama did something right. In this age of hyper-partisan politics, many people are incapable of admitting the other side might be right about something. There are many Democrats who treated President Bush exactly the same way. Too many people would rather divide the country rather than do what's best for it.

It's not so many "Americans". In fact, most Americans believe it and hence they rejoiced on the very day of his death. The "Other Americans" that don't believe it are those from the opposing views about this president.

Those who doesn't believe it know themselves, and now they will have to shut up for life, and most importantly, for their own good.

replying to Watching: The only thing Obama did was to say "go ahead". He didn't plan the operation, nor did he pull the trigger.

Great comment. If you listen to the hyperconservatives, Obama can do no right, and if you listen to the hyperliberals, he can do no wrong. Credit should go where credit is due, and blame, where it is due.

Your key word is WANT. People don't believe facts etc, they believe what they want to believe. It's sad that we are such a nation of spineless people who can't deal with truth - that sometimes hurts. So we believe what makes us feel good or even worse we believe what allows us to hate. Sad commentary on our times.

Watching-2901750 - I agree. I saw this remark at another site and it was expressed so well, I've saved it---it says it all and more....

"I wonder about the patriotism of some Americans. If you are so worried about the economy, then get a job and start contributi­ng to it rather than spending precious time blaming the black guy for the cowboy's mistakes."

Americans don't want to believe that he is dead because then they won't have a credible reason to stay in places where they are not wanted and continue to execute innocent people.

Because they don't vote.

The 'non-believers' are most likely those that do not want Obama reelected in 2012. They will do and say anything to negate successes and create doubt to hurt Obama. Afterall, they have nothing else to go on. So far, the GOP contenders are a sad looking bunch.

Dani-976192

replying to Watching: The only thing Obama did was to say "go ahead". He didn't plan the operation, nor did he pull the trigger.

And he could have said - don't get him. And the mission could have failed. Stop being a partisan hack.

He did pull the trigger on the operation - he just didnt physically pull the trigger on the assault rifle that blew part of his skull off.

Jweeb - They can't believe it, or will never admit to believing it because it would prove them wrong.

I still don't see what the crying about whose victory it is. It was an American victory, from the intel gathered by the CIA agents to the opinions by tons of officials given to the President, by the President for approving the mission and by the Seals that carried it out with successful precision. It was a collective success because of many members of our government. In the end it was the President's call whether the operation was a go or not. However, a lot of people made this operation possible and succfessful. Why bash Obama? God knows he would have taken all the blame if things would have gone badly.

The "Other Americans" that don't believe it are those from the opposing views about this president.

That's complete BS. It's not the conservatives that don't believe he's not dead. I mean I'm lead to believe that I hand on every word of the conservative talking heads like Beck and Hannity and they both believe he's dead.

It's simply the conspirecy theorists that don't think he's dead. Also, wouldn't Al-Qaida be more of an authority on whether bin Laden is dead or not than the general public.

Lastly I find it humorous that the liberals want to give Obama all the credit when he was simply just in the right place at the right time. After all bin Laden was found using enhanced interogation techniques, such as water boarding, that was supported by Bush yet denounced previously by the left. Essentially Bush put bin Laden's head on a tee and Obama told someone to double tap it.

They won't believe he's dead because it happened under Obama. Simple as that. They are as delusional as the Al Qaida terrorists.

Lets just say for example, were it so that some group could have the audacity to dupe the whole world with a fake killing, would it not also be likely then that said group could also fake a web posting? In the absense of "proof" positive, only the niave believe. That follows true in all situations. A simple single peice of undisputable evidence would be all it takes. Obama quit milking and show the people your "proof"!

I would have to say one reason is the fact that the Repubs and their favorite media outlet FauxNews, has made it their mission to lie about anything President Obama says or does. During the campaign they started with the, "he won't protect America" BS. Then it was Healthcare reform would created "death panels". That was a lie. Then it was the birther nonsense. Unfortunately, there are just some people in this country that do not want an African-American as President period, and they will say or do anything to discredit him. Rush Limbaugh is their leader, and Palin is their mouthpiece. Fortunately their are a greater number of Americans that are able to think for themselves, understand the huge deficit, and economic problems the President inherited, and realize we are on the right track. The teabaggers want you to continue to believe that by granting tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations that they will then magically provide jobs. They are in for a huge awakening in 2012, as they manage to reveal more each day of what they are really about.

Bush couldn't put his own rear end on a toliet seat -and in his own words he did not care about bin laden--

Let's see, riots and protests breaking out in the Islamic lands over Osama's death is the big headline story right now on MSNBC and someone is wondering why al Quada wants the people to think Osama is dead.... I wonder why that is.... hmmm....

Either that's a dense question or you're trying to stir up a flamewar.

And no, I do not think he's not dead but I what I don't believe is that supposed adults have nothing better to do than beat a battle drum to try to get people fighting with one another. Sounds like they're using the same tactics as al Quada.

Lola S

Its because so many Americans WANT to doubt. The Repubs cant accept that a Democrat (and an African American at that) had the stones and success in finding/killing OBLwhen "Shrub" couldn't do it while he was in the White House. I firmly believe that Bush,Limbaugh & their cronies would prefer to see this country go down the tubes before they would want to witness President Obama to a be sucessful and respected leader.Now that OBL is dead & swimmin' with da fishes, we should begin withdrawing the troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. At the moment, our gov is spending BILLIONS of $ every MONTH to supposrt the wars.The Republicans are screaming about financial reform and cut backs -cutting social, educational and healthcare programs while continuing to poor billions of $ into rebuilding Afghanistan. We are paying to rebuild their coumtry's infrastructure, while our country & its citizens are being told we are broke & cant afford BIG GOVENMENT. Hell, we certainly believe in it when it comes to another country 10 years is enough!

To be fair to Bush, it may have been a bluff when he said that. (To make Osama think he was free and clear and therefore become sloppy). It didn't work, obviously.

Blind - I know people are going to scream "race card"! If it walks like a duck...

Disgusting.

Bush never had it so vile.

Why have there been so many news reports in 2002 stating that osama was dead due to his health failing?

Obama did do something right. He continued Bush's policy. Do you honestly
think that the anti-military Gore/Kerry/Obama would have ever left our shores to
pursue any terrorist after 911. Obama would have probably appologized to the
world for the twin towers creating so much dust when they fell. Like it or not
both Bush and Obama get credit on this take down.

mkintexas- Obama campaigned on the fact that he would hunt down and kill or capture OBL. How can you say that he is anti-military? Your are the epitome of the uneducated fox viewers that cant form an opinion for himself. I dont give Bush any credit because he said he wasnt worried about going after OBL. President Obama is the one that shifted our focus to afghanistan and into pakistan which turned out to be exactly where he was hiding.

Obama deserves credit for the decision he made as to exactly how to go about getting bin Laden.

He could have chosen, for example, an air raid instead. Certainly that would have been a more fool-proof plan, leaving nothing to chance (assuming the raid hit the correct spot). Of course, the inevitable loss of civilian life in the surrounding neighborhoods that would have accompanied an air raid would have inflamed anti-American sentiment around the world and given our enemies plenty of fodder to use against us.

Instead, he chose a tightly targeted operation that DID carry risk and which did NOT carry the same certainty of success. That is why one person described the President's call as one of the gutsiest decisions a President has ever made.

I know that Obama's success in this arena (and in ANY arena, for that matter) galls Obama critics and haters to death.

Maybe it's time for them to lighten up on Obama a little, and stop working on those ulcers they're giving themselves.

BlindorTruthful - I love this moniker - I think that you are blind to the truth. Number one false statement - you insinuate that conservatives do not want our President because he is African-American - nothing could be further from the truth - most of us against this Administration are against it because of their policies. QUIT PLAYING THE RACE CARD! Talking about race - if someone votes for or against a candidate because of race, they are a racist. Please explain the disproportinate percentage of African-Americans who voted for Barrack Obama (Democrat) verses previous elections where candidates from both major parties were Caucasian.

Number two false statement - we are on the right track - huh? Health Care Reform would be great, but what was passed (and passed before it was known what was in this piece of legislation) will be a financial disastor. If it is so great, why are so many entities which supported Barrack Obama exempted from its provisions - why do the taxes supporting it implimented before the benefits kick in, etc. Quit hiding behind smoke and mirrors!

Lola. A lot of people don't think he is dead because the government can't seem to get their story straight on what happened. I'm sure they went to get him and maybe they did. But I don't believe they threw him in the sea. Nothing they say sounds credible. For all we will ever know, they may have captured him and are holding him somewhere. They wouldn't want al Qaeda to know this, so they came up with this cock-n-bull story of throwing him in the sea. And my version sounds just as believable as theirs.

@Greg Linkous,

While I can appreciate your overall point I think this one is a false equivalence. You won't find hyper liberals who think Obama can do no wrong. Indeed they're likely to be as critical of him as Conservatives. The only difference is that liberals are critical of him for his policies (re-upping the Patriot Act, failure to support the People's Budget, using a GOP health plan instead of single payer etc, upholding corporate wellfare etc.). While the Conservatives hate him because chimeras and/or strawmen (death panels, taking away their guns, raising taxes, not a citizen, secret muslim etc.). Ironically though he's done more for the Conservatives than for the Liberals.

While I've never met anyone who thinks Obama can do no wrong, and usually assume when I hear a conservative say that they're just meaning that at some point the individual in question failed to hate the President completely. But assuming such people do actually exist, I'd have to assume those people would be moderates. As he is pretty solidly in the middle (if leaning to the right). And as diplomatic, cautious, and willing to work with his political enemies as he is, he'd have to look like a moderate's dream come true.

BEAUMONT; I don't think all Republicans oppose Obama merely becuase of his race. After all, look what your party did to Bill Clinton and John Kerry. Your people spent 8 years attempting to destroy Clinton, first for White Water, than the tragic suicide of Vince Foster and lastly but certainly not the least, the whole Lewinsky deal. John Kerry, a genuine and decorated war veteran was viciously smeared by your party. That's rich, coming from a party that presented a president and vice president who were and are a pair of draft dodgers. Republicans don't need race to hate Democrats. However, it cannot be denied that there is a tremendous amount of racism expressed towards Obama. One has only to visit this site to read some of the really disgusting things that people right. And this is MSNBC. I'd hate to think what is on the Fake News Channel.

Ozzie Boy: and Bill Clinton - wasn't he a draft dodger?? As I recall, GWB was in the military, where was Clinton?? I guess because I went into the Coast Guard during the Viet Nam war you would also considered me a draft dodger?? What branch were you in or how did you serve our country?? Last - it is always good to see what the opposition is thinking so maybe you should read Fox News; who knows, you might learn something.

@RN in Philly - The only reason Saddam's hanging was broadcast was because a local person filmed it with their cell phone and posted it. It wasn't a newsagency of anykind. I understand your point but they had no choice since it was on Youtube.

Ozzie Boy - In response to your accusations of Republicans continual racial bias on this forum, the only ones posting ANYTHING racial on here are speaking with a strong LEFT voice. In fact, that is all I have seen for the last month on these vines - the left screaming "racism", and the right going on the defensive. The left always likes to attribute arguments to "conspiracies". Perhaps this one can be called the "racist conspiracy". Nothing a Republican says or does will convince the left otherwise. This is a stupid stereotype that some on the fringe fall in, but is glued to the backs of all Republicans - no matter if my mother were half black, and my great grandfather were Hispanic - wouldn't matter to those who have already made up their minds...

Smalltown, Thank you for taking the time to list this. I just recived one of those republican lies email, bemoning the Democratics care for the American Service man, because they care so much for the Service man. I checked it out on "Stop the Chain.org. Then blasted the republican that had sent me this big fat lie. Now I can just print up this list and send it to the naysayers. Thank you again for more power to Obama.

For those thinking Obama being black is why repub's like myself didn't vote for him, you are wrong.

We didn't vote for him 'cause he is a democrat/liberal, duh...opposing views, (actaully I know a few republicans that did vote for him)

I wanted a particular man to run for president that was black but he never ran, Colin Powell!

concernedone-

the only ones posting ANYTHING racial on here are speaking with a strong LEFT voice.

Really how bout this little tid bit:

A healthcare system that is failing the American public and a White House that resembles something you would see in a Islamic country with the colors of Islam!

Or repeatidly calling him "boy", tell me this isnt racism.

It took no balls to say take him down for your boy to utter!

I understand that this guy doesnt represent the entire repub party, but so does Ozzie as he stated. I know that alot of people that have recently started to fuel these conspiracy theories have alternative reasons for opposing the President. We have always had govt conspiracy nuts, but this is getting way beyond that. If you oppose his policies, then do it with facts and reason. Anyone clinging to conspiracy theories trying to oppose him will just be lumped with the crazies and racists.

sherri2012

they did not do an air raid/dromes, due to the fact that it would have killed alot of people and osama's body might not be identifiable. Obama took this ways to kill osama, pretty rational thinking.

It has been explained in the news and on websites.

This just in: Obama's campaign slogan for 2012 is:

HOW GULLIBLE ARE YOU?

I believe the American public is smarter than BO thinks!!!

No matter if you like or dislike the POTUS, if you believe Osama is dead or still alive, the "operation" was technically ILLEGAL under international law. First, it was an execution on foreign soil without the clearance from Pakistan, secondly the disposal of the body is also ILLEGAL under international law. You can Google the info yourself but here is one link: http://jurist.org/forum/2011/05/curtis-doebbler-illegal-killing-obl.php

It would be nice if our Presidents (all of them-past and present) acted in accordance with International Law, it's not becoming for a country to act like a thug just because it can. We accuse "them" (the Arab world) of dancing in the street when Americans are killed etc - yet we do the same?

We may as well rename the country, the constitution is no longer a guiding document, the Geneva Convention, The Hague - we have opted out of those humane instruments- something a "civilized" country would not do. Acting this way will hurt us with regard to the International community - one day, when we need an ally, no one will want to stand with us or help us (loan extensions, etc) renegade countries are not acceptable or trustworthy (in the International Community).

BEAUMONT: It is common knowledge that the Reserves were a haven for those with connectins to avoid serving in Viet Nam. No less a man than Colin Powell has said so and that it offended him greatly.

Yes, Bill Clinto was a draft dodger as were many people of our generation. However, you fail to draw the distinction between those who genuinely opposed the war (as Clinton did)compared to Bush and Cheney who supported the war and strut around with their chests puffed up as though they were Field Marshall's. To propegate a war and then weasel out of it yourself is called HYPOCRISY.

Lastly, no, I would never question the motives for your service. I have never served myself though I have many family members who have. I have great reference for our military, partiularly those of the "Greatest Generation". I resent the notion that so many Republicans have that they and only they, can protect this country or that they have a monopoly on support for the military and love of country. I don't consider starting probably the most ill conceived war in our long history "supporting the troops". Dying pointlessly for your country is the ultimate insult foist upon our troops. You will notice that no children of Bush or Cheney served either. Contrast that with the Royal family where military service is stressed and both of Prince Charles kids are in the service, the younger one serving in Iraq.

Ozzie, I certainly don't feel that only Republicans can protect this country - after my 4 years active, I went in the reserves for another 24 - quite a few of our members were Democrats, in fact my best friend was, but as I said in a previous post, knowing the other point of view is very enlightening. We used to debate (we rode together to meetings) about his beliefs and opinions and my own, but we did it in a respectful way.

Yes, the Royal family stresses military service, but I do not believe they have experienced it as many of us did, such as boot camp and assignments afterwards. I also would like to see a requirement that to be eligible to be Commander in Chief, one would have had to have military experience - a very good lesson in giving orders is being able to take and follow orders. I don't think that you can take a new Navy boot out of boot camp and put him/her as commanding officer of an aircraft carrier. If you have never been in a military situation, you do not know what I am talking about.

After all bin Laden was found using enhanced interogation techniques, such as water boarding, that was supported by Bush yet denounced previously by the left. Essentially Bush put bin Laden's head on a tee and Obama told someone to double tap it.

There is no evidence that Bin Laden was found with enhanced interrogation techniques. There are those "experts" who allege these techniques were responsible, and there are those "experts" who allege that they had nothing to do with it.

To state either as a rock solid fact is a reach at best.

btone

You will never get your point across on here using facts.

Amazing...Birthers just won't go away. You all were sure right about the birth certificate now weren't you? So now you're going to put the beer can down, jump on the Glen Beck train and ride it into a new conspiracy theory.

Blindor Truthful and Ozzie Boy - your rational is ignorant to assume that those who did not vote for Obama are racist. Did you vote for McCain? I would guess "no" therefore are you racist? Are all non-Caucasian people who didn't vote for a white presidential canidate in the past racist?

In my opinion, those who vote for a person based on his or her color are racist which I would guess there are quite a few racists who voted for Obama.

Reposting these comments from people on Newsvine reacting to conspiracy theorists about bin Laden's death:

-----------------------

Be assured, if Osama is not dead, he will be the first one to prove it by releasing a new video ASAP.

- history teacher-3424836
- 8:24 am HST on Wed May 4, 2011

Conspriacy types are detached from evidence so even if the photos were released it wouldn't stop them.

- kene-2874914
- 8:24 am HST on Wed May 4, 2011

Mr.PheaNiques-0000001

This is the correct decision...the down side far out ways the possible benefit of releasing the photos

I just wish we could unkill the US Troops that were caused by Abu Ghirab photos...remember those...hypocrits...sued the President to force the release of photos

JustAFlier

I am split on it and, in the end, I really don't care.

It is true that conspiracy nutjobs would NEVER be satisfied even if they were right there with the commandos doing the shooting. A true fool will never know he/she is a true fool. Just like with the silly birth certificate conspiracy, you just cannot satisfy a nuthole. (And please understand that I am a Republican who is embarrassed that the "leaders" of my party still even discuss that issue.)

On the other hand, just out of morbid curiosity, I would love to see the pictures. Screw Osama Bin Laden. I hope he is in hell and I want to laugh at his dead face. But, I know that is why I want them released and I know there are probably good reasons not to release them and therefore, I really don't let it get to me one way or the other.

Hopefully, aside from the nutjobs who want to make an issue about is he really dead, I hope all of us, Republicans and Democrats, can enjoy this moment together as Americans and enjoy that we wiped a murderous terrorist off the face of the earth. You don't need to celebrate his death if you don't want to (I do), but we can celebrate that he can no longer do any harm.

#1.11 - Wed May 4, 2011 8:53 AM HST

BJs65-634377

I can understand it if this helps to keep our troops out of even greater danger than they're already in. Do we really need to fan the flames?

DNA shows it was him.

If you want to call the Navy SEALs liars, go at it.

#1.7 - Wed May 4, 2011 8:42 AM HST

But I don't believe they threw him in the sea. Nothing they say sounds credible.

They did for a fact dump him in the sea, I just found his eyeball in a can of Chicken of the Sea.

"just because you ain't paranoid, don't mean their not out to get you"...i have a few questions for the panel of experts:
-are the conservative christians really using this as a defense of waterboarding (torture)?
-am i the only one laughing at the irony that the almighty, all-holy, most-wanted mass murderer on the planet was caught sleeping in his nightgown, soaked in his own urine, hiding behind two families? some warrior!
-how hard was it for the hero who fired the 2 shots heard round the world not to "confirm the kill" with a round of say, 3000 more one for each victim on 9/11?
-did he beg for his life, or curse his wife for abandoning her defensive position?
-did he call on Allah for help?
-if he has already had his 72 virgins, many from his own family, no doubt (who else would sleep with him), does he still get 72 more in paradise?
-what kind of reception will he get from all the other "muslims" who gave their life so he could hide like a coward?
-did he crap on his nightie?
-who is this coward Al-Kinda, and what do we have to say to get him to stick his ugly mug out of the hole he hides in so we can deliver a message from my son and all the other victims and their families? How 'bout it "Al", won't you come out and play?
and for all you haters, this is not about obama and george, or muslims and christians, or capture or kill...this is about finishing what we start and extracting some reward for the trillions of dollars spent and thousands of lives lost. leave politics out of this and let those of us who sacrificed our children enjoy some measure of relief.

I find the Liberal on this page ability to lie to themselves amazing.

Get it straight, Obama was dragged kicking and screaming into every aspect in the war against terror. If it would have been left up to him, it simply would not of happened at all.

No matter how much it makes your week knees sick or your Hypocrisy shutter, The fine piece of work that Obama did signing the paper to kill Bin Laden was built upon the backs of men working on this matter WAY back into the Bush administration. The use of enhanced interrogation methods and all. Obama deserves his credit and I will be the first to give it to him. But as usual, in the back end, he screwed it all up and left people scratching their heads wondering "Why"?

Bush had no issues with placing the dead bodies of Saddam Hussein's insane sons on TV. It was a clear and very pointed statement that "They are dead and this is what happens to Muslim extremest who murder Americans"

That wonderful list that was "Cut and Pasted" of Obama's accomplishments... See, there seems to be a problem with that list, first of all, it is not all true because it has not all been paid for to be completed. Second, same problem as the first, NONE of what has been done addresses the real need in the Nation... If it did, we would have seen it. Saying we have is a bold faced lie and we all know it. Liberals, God bless their pathetic souls, seem to think the Government is the best suited system to manage the economy and the lives of the people of this Nation. They seem to think ALL of us are dumb enough to believe Taxing the Rich to feed the poor while wearing their "Robin of the Hood" hat is a real story.

You CANNOT raise the taxes of those who own most of the Nations companies and who already pay 80% of the Nations taxes and expect that things will improve. All that improves are the sentiments of those who do not understand the reality of taxing people more and more during a recession is a BAD idea. Not only do they not understand that fact, but they have bought into the Leftist Liberal lie that Conservative economics is "Trickle down" economics. Lets be clear, once again. Wealth is either earned, or borrowed. Right now we are borrowing. When you tax mileage like this administration is considering. Or when you further raise taxes on Business owners. Or when you tax energy, or when you tax carbon or when you go after private income... Those companies and owners do what all companies do when things get tight. They cut payroll, then they cut Benefits, then they cut hours then they move to a place where they can afford to operate.

Meanwhile... some gut sucking Liberal blames THEM because they have been taxed silly and chosen to go where their efforts are not in vain. Face it, Liberal HATE capitalism and desire its demise. TOO BAD... NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. You may win a battle here and a battle there as you have already done. But it only takes a short amount of time before you outspend the systems ability to generate money. Then you tax again, further shrinking wealth and the ability to create it. So you shrink it more and more and more until you have finally begged borrowed and printed every penny from everyone willing to pay up or leaned more... Then you are Greece and Spain and the UK. And you have to start wholesale layoffs and ending insane entitlements. And watch the Leftist radicals burn the City and disrupt the lives of those who do not DEMAND a free ride.

Its not like we have not watched you movie before. Every time the ending is the same. You go broke.

Government is NOT the answer or the Opiate for the Masses...

Government is a tool to proved a safe environment for PRIVATE industry to create jobs and generate wealth for any and everyone who will work and NOT be a taker from the system. Private Wealth and Private industry will ALWAYS out earn and ALWAYS out perform Government ran industry. Government ran anything is by definition wasteful and ineffectual. It tries desperately to serve everyone FEELINGS and AGENDAS instead of dealing with everyone's NEEDS based on what is fair and what is affordable.

So far. Obama has QUADRUPLED the debt this Nation has incurred. Bush before him did not much better. Obama is wrong just as Bush was wrong. That little.........List, you have cut and pasted, all that list represents is debt, 790 Million in wasted stimulus, and bailouts for Companies who should have had to deal with their own financial issues.

Go ahead and dance around Obama's fake fire... Great, he signed the paper that had already been signed to kill Bin Laden. Great Job! In all honesty, Great Job.

It does NOTHING to fix the financial mess you Libs still try and blame on the last guy OR does nothing to make Obama'a indecisive leadership overseas any better.

I for one look forward to him being GONE!

These people need to find JOBS! Something to do with their time. The same thing happened in Belfast. Young men with nothing to do with their time, except to create havoc. Some form of birth control is very definitely necessary!

. . .at least he won't the be the same as the old boss. Sigh. . .get ready to rumble, folks!

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Well put.

I agree that there are many, many psychos who have been waiting in the wings to take over upon Osama's death. Does anyone really believe that the death of one individual means the end of Jihad? These people HATE us with sociopathic zeal, and are always looking for new ways to prove it. This is so not the end of anything. I fear that it is only the beginning of something bigger and more sinister. I just hope that our intelligence people remain vigilant and are able to prevent the next 9-11.

atypical - Yes, it is a cause for celebration. This is something our country needed - especially those who lost loved ones on 911. It would be silly to hold of celebration until al-Quada is completely wiped out. We need to take our victory laps when we can. We pull together, we celebrate, we feel good about it while we can. Then we get back to business with new resolve to knock off the next in line. Yeah, things might get worse after this. More reason to celebrate now.

All I'm saying Renee is that the fight is long from over. It's like celebrating after writing the first paragraph of a thesis.

While I agree to an extent, Bin Laden was the money behind most of what they were able to do, both with recruiting and objectives. That money is now cut off, as he is no longer with us. Plus, I am sure his wives have to want their share of what is available. Since the raid on his compound, their have been 2 groups of Al-queda arrested. You can believe that intel is being spread around the globe to trusted allies.

I doubt his wives will get a penny of what he had left. Women have no rights over there, remember?

Island59, it is not racist to disagree with Obama, and not want to vote for him. I did not agree with Bush, and did not vote for him, and it was not because he was white. There are people who do not like Obama because they are racist, but that does not mean everyone who disagrees with him is.

Good on you for giving Obama credit where credit was due, and thanking him for getting Bin Laden. The US would be a better place if more people were more civil in their discourse.

Nice try islander59, your comments only point out that while that while the President is a "nice" man... he is still not white. Your opinions regarding Obama are stealth at best but still reveal that your main intent. This President is lacking at Foreign Policy?

Perhaps you should pay more attention and compare how the world views our country after Bush than trying to politely negate his capabilities.

No, you may not be an "In ya face" racist but I'm on the fence when it comes to seeing you as an institutional bigot. The old... he's Ok but... I just tend to like someone who could get the entire job done... which is in itself unicorn fantasy. No President did everything!

Take it the way you want...

You don't have to be a bigot to dislike Obozo's Policies. I give him credit for this recent job well done, but I don't like his domestic policies at all. Maybe he will turn out like Jimmy Carter. A HORRIBLE president, but a decent diplomat. We'll see.

A lot of the hate towards Obama, is more about bigotry than racism.

How else do you explain those who believe every ridiculous accusation leveled against Obama(most of them without any basis in fact or reality.

It's not playing a "race card", in recognizing at least half of those who hate or heavily criticize Obama, must be doing so from their own biases/bigotry.

Yes, Obama is half white/half black, but most perceive him as a black man. I most saw him on the street, they would think he is black and/or not white.

If you are easily led to believe that Obama is: not a citizen, is Muslim, is anti-American, is the anti-Christ, pals around with terrorists, makes the US "look weak", is communist/socialist, and/or far left liberal(despite his blatant centered actions)....................

then you probably already wanted to dislike or hate him in the first place(based on your own prejudices).

Some might not even realize that they subconsciously are being bigoted against Obama.

I didn't vote for Obama(nor McCain), but I'm satified with the job he's doing, considering what (and who) he's up against. It's a safe bet that McCain/Palin wouldn't be doing as well.

There will never be a perfect candidates for POTUS that can get everything done on their own, or change everything for the better by themselves.

If Obama runs against 90% of the current candidates in the GOP lineup, I'll probably vote for him this time. He now has experience in the WH.

atypical: it's champing, not chomping. the word is "champing at the bit".

Well, they'll start with the statement that using the Internet is a forbidden sin against "You Know Who", then glom onto the seemingly all too quick timing and discovery of the "chatter" being more than suspect, and, if I were them, I would expound upon the fact that all of these events just seem so. . .how do you say. . .contrived & a little TOO convenient.

Gee, wonder how they're going to keep the FEAR FACTOR alive, well and increasingly frantic while they're busy dispelling the whole Osama bin Laden take down/killing and declaring the Al Qaida Internet activity to be nothing more than more "faux evidence?"

On the bright side, at least as far as they're concerned, they can continue to squawk about Obama going against his campaign promise to end these unnecessary wars, and throw that in the fact of the "Liberals" who are calling for Obama to bring the troops home. Then again this will require that they point to the capture of OBL and these "new and improved" threats of more violence as proof that the War on Terror is working, and tell their audience how Liberals are Socialists and unpatriotic because they want Obama to end the wars. . .INHALE. .

These are the times when the anti-Obama talking heads REALLY get their spin in a wad, and circle-jerk reasoning becomes an artform.

Note: Rambling nature of paragraph 3 was intentional.

Obama is a secret Muslim who wants to destroy the United States from within (I have this on good authority from Glenn Beck). So why would those who work for him be any different? And, yes, this includes Seal Team 6. Anyway, Obama staged this entire hoax just to make sure that Americans let down their guard so Obama and Osama (one letter separates them from being the THE SAME NAME! You can't tell me you think this is a mere coincidence?!) can continue their plans to undermine the United States from inside and outside. Of course Al-Qaeda is in on it as well! So is Pakistan! Of course they're going to corroborate the story!

I'm sure you think you consider yourself to be a reasonable person by denying all these conspiracy theories. However, just as Obama is only one letter away from Osama, reason is only one letter away from treason! And now we all know who and what you are, Watching! Mwahahahaha!

AHHAHAHAHHAHahhahahahahahahahahahhahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha this was funny hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahah

Lizzie, funny post!!! Yuk-yuk!!!

OK Lizzie time to up the meds.

@Lizzie: Put your little white jacket back on that ties in the back, and go back to your little, nicely padded room....you have got to be kidding with all that spew.....

I think Lizzie was attempting to enter the world of satire, but I'm not entire certain that is the case. Oh well. . .NEXT!

Lizzie, you forgot the part about Osama and Obama, being secret brothers, and the part about bin Laden being dropped from the ship, into the waiting arms of a secret submarine, and they will unite in secret to bring Beck's wish for a caliphate to rule the world and destroy America. Get your food supplies, and guns, and a few extra Bibles, (oops, forgot the clinging thing), and build a underground bunker for when they come to your town, to put you in "re-education camps", for your own good, of course. Built by FEMA at Pres. Obama's order.

Boy, we could go on and on, and never be able to top the crazies. tee hee

LMAO!!!! Thanks for the first morning laugh, Ask & Lizzy :) Love it...

I question the act of quickly shuffling OBL out to sea, and dumping him. I would have liked to see more proof. Another thing that would help me believe the honesty of all this, is cutting Pakistan off from any American money - none of this makes sense, giving Pakistan over a billion dollars in aid, while they harbor the biggest terrorist in the world, then threatening us if we do any more acts in their country. I've seen so much dishonesty in our present government, it wouldn't surprise me if this was all set up. It doesn't add up. Now, are they going to find out who replaces him, and mark him number one terrorist, and send the Seals to put him down? We are still at war with terrorism, and I doubt that will ever stop.

Bill, I pity you.

Well Bill that's why you're not leading anything and he is. No time to dither over what the conspiracy theorists will think --Send the Seals in--take the DNA and photos to confirm, bury the body at sea, refuse to parade the photos or the body for blood thirsty pin heads, and move on. WOW...it is SO refreshing to have a grown up in charge!

Please do not run for office. We have enough ignorant people there already. You don't know why we give the Paki's money? It wouldn't have anything to do with basing our predator drones there would it? It wouldn't have anything to do with 70% of the resupply of American troops in Afghanistan comes in and through Pakistan would it? It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Pakistan is in with American Big Oil to build a pipeline through Afghanistan and Pakistan to bring Caspian oil to market would it?

If you think all this is about anything but money this late in the game you need to get help. It doesn't matter which party is in power. Follow the money. Always follow the money. Bil oil runs the world and that pipeline will happen regardless of how many of our service people are maimed or killed or how much it cost the American Taxpayer. It is what it is. Follow the money.

Lizzie. Not everyone disagrees with you. Only the sheep do. They will believe anything their government tells them.

I am amazed at the number of people who thought Lizzie's post was serious. Completely amazed and deely saddened.

YouJustSaidThat. Your intelligence is showing. deely?

@Lizzie....I bet you also think that Obama is the anti-christ and think Pat Robertson is G-d.

Lizzie, the letters of separation are B S. Even the conservatives are laughing about your post! Good job.

Nan, more likely it's George Soros whom really runs the country and world with his dirty tricks in the stock market/futures trading/derivatives. Strongly suggest to all; Read "The Shadow Government", "Griftopia, Bubble Machines, Vampire". Bill O'Riely's "Culture Warriors" and any other books about what really is driving the economies of nations worldwide over the last 40 years. Anti-Christ, no, more like a tool leading up to said. Enlighten your minds people, it's almost too late

lacywild
YouJustSaidThat. Your intelligence is showing. deely?

Before you call me out on missing a keystoke, be damned sure you're without errors, as well. First and foremost, you got my name completely wrong. Then -- though a nuance -- you should have followed with a colon or comma, not a period. Also, let's not forget to capitalize next time, okay?

Besides, it's not my fault you're incapable of appreciating satire. Who's intelligence is showing?

But calling it a "deather" movement and somehow insinuating that "birthers" are also "deathers" is just flat out wrong. But of course you know that. You are just seizing yet other opportunity to try to throw some crap at the right and hope it sticks.

I think it's more along the lines that NOT all birthers are deathers, but all deathers are birthers.

YouJustSaidWhat. Thanks for pointing that out. I guess my intelligence is also showing, along with my bad eyesight. LOL. Nice to have an English teacher around when you need one. The period is where it needs to be and there are no missing capital letters. deely is how you wrote it, so that's how I wrote it. And this is a stupid conversation. To get back to the article.

I still refuse to live in fear. They want us shaking in our boots. Nope. Not me.

. . .and the cycle continues. Al Qaida and all them other "tear-ists" have won when they have everyone shaking at the very mention of their collective names. I'm not feeling it, so excuse me if I get on the the business of living, Arm Chair.

I WILL NOT LIVE IN FEAR!!!! That's what they want us to do. I wish they would stand up and fight like real men. They are a bunch of PU$$IE$!!!!!

Don't these terrorists realize that we Americans are far too apathetic and complacent to be the least bit concerned by their threats?

Seriously, yawn.

Besides, there really is nothing to fear but fear itself, right? Wait. . .is fear a person? If not, fear cannot be referred to as "itself" in so far as it's not a "self." Hmmm. . . perhaps the following phraseology would be more apropos: "There is nothing to fear but fear."

WOW! Check out the big brain on me! I had NO idea I was this AWESOME! Sorry, folks. . . I needed to feel the lighter side of life if just for one moment today. :-)

thank god we dont have eat those fish

Poor fish.....

I believe they call it chum.

fertilizer

The fish are probably rejoicing too!!!!

I hope those fish don't migrate over here, ugh!

You've got that right!!! everyone!.....desert! I feel that if we had to see our people fall from those towers taking their own lives, then we as American's should see those photo's , video's of osama, being killed , or have two of the team 6 seals holding his dead body up to the cameras, then "REJOICE" it's only fair.

I didn't have to see "our people fall from those towers taking their own lives", and I certainly don't need to see a photo of bin Laden's dead corpse. You probably stop at every head on accident, get a few snapshots, and then fondle them over and over again to relive the moment. Get morbidly aberrant much?

Just like the rubberneckers on the roads. But I do feel sorry for the fish. But maybe the salt water enhances the flavor.

Hey, as an American, nothing requires me to be any better than or morally superior to the terrorists. I'll dance in the streets for every dead towelhead over there!

/end sarcasm font/

His blood may contain slight traces of lead...

Finall the US and Osama are allied .... he is now our "chum".

Osama's resting place is now a shrine. He's resting on his stomach with his bottom and souls of his feet facing Mecca. Hopefully, the rest of his ilk will soon be worshipping with him.

dead corpse

I sure hope his corpse is dead. If not, I'd have to give it to Osama for starting the zombie apocalypse as his last act of terrorism.

His blood may contain lead...HAHAHA too funny

As far as the fish food thing...would that be holy mackerel?

There's also another post that read:

I'll have a Bin Laden

What's that?

2 shots and splash of water...LOL

whoever came up with that should do stand up...that was hilarious(I'm so stealing that joke)

not a big friends fan but i have always heard the term as "going comando" as a reference for letting your junk swing, i dont believe free breathing genitals makes you a comando

Yep, it's the same, just different! That's GOING commando. Although, now that I ponder it, I wonder if our commandos go commando. It would be terribly inconvenient to have to stop and deal with a wedgie in the middle of a fire fight.

With that being said - we never landed on the moon (because you werent there) - religion is BS (because you cant prove god exists) there is no gravity (because you cant see it) and physics is a sham (because you dont understand it).

Nice logic birther.

MA54321 wrote: "OSAMA could be having lunch at the white house with the president right now...and you wouldnt even know."

LOL

The sad thing is, these idiots have jobs and a license to drive!!

How does Obama take it? dry/

Bedroom. The name says it all. Perverts should not be allowed to post.

MA. These sheep only want to believe what the government tells them to believe. They don't have a mind of their own. What you said is true. Most people are nothing but blind idiots that hang onto everything Obama and the media says. If they would take the blinders off, they would see what we see. A corrupt government that does nothing but lie to the American people.

MA54321....I see i found at least one other person that believes as I do...he ain't dead, everything else may be true, although every hour theres a new twist out about the raid....bin laden isn't eating dinner in white house, he's strapped to a chair drinking large volumns of water as we write these posts...why if he was not resisting and thats what the latest "story" is would you kill him when you could probably interrogate him forever now that 99.99% of world thinks he's dead...its tacticaly stupid to kil him....Its been almost 50 years since kennedy was shot and we still don't know the whole story on that either....it'll be 50 years before this fiasco comes out....

yeah i'm an illiterate tea-bagger who clutch's his guns (no bible) haven't seen the proof of that either...yet

Love my country....fear my government

Al Qaeda persons, please don't ask The Almighty One to bring more sadness to us. We are already saddened by all of these " act of God" that inflicted on us with all these fires that devoured our land that can never be put out, hundreds of tornadoes that flattened everything in their paths and this flooding that can never recede that we have to unplug the wall that supposed to hold the water from spilling over us. Please Al Qaeda persons, stay where you are and let us deal with our own problems here. We are already suffering and lost so much, so please leave us alone. We are now humble.

Interesting juxtaposition, there. O_o

please nothing..they want war..let em bring it...all we gotta do is drop a nuke..done deal..the US is not putting up with no bloodshed from them on this soil...

I agree with your sentiment, but please don't confuse Al Qaida or sharia with anarchy. They are far from anarchists.

Reminds me of a Teddy Roosevelt statement: "Speak softly but carry a BIG stick!"

Just like in Vietnam!

Rick i dont know what bed you woke up on today but Most Americans actually believe we Lost the Vietnam war...i take it your being sarcastic though....lol

Just like the War on Drugs!

And watch out - those blacks will marry your daughter if you let them go to the same schools

whoa there bud. Time to loosen that tin foil cap just a bit and come out from under the bed.

We aren't fighting millions of Muslims, we are fighting islamic extremists who would do harm. This isn't about religion.

Mohammad Left his followers no other choice. You and I are infidels. Look it up, the Koran deals with infidels specifically...

Everything is about religion, TamL. . .well, that and territorial control which, accordingly to the side of the fracas one chooses to believe, is a God-given mandate, right or duty to protect and/or fight for something or another. If you think the Muslim extremists aren't using their religion as their justification, and if you think America isn't leaning on it's belief that this is justifiable for the protection of a certain nation that shall remain nameless, then you've missed the whole oil!

Don key, you truly are an a$$!!

They are everywhere and we let it happen even helped them we put them through school gave them jobs trained them for everything even fight and then bitch when they attack who is to blame for that????

Don Key, sounds like your the racist. Furthermore, if it is 'extremists' as you suggest Tam then there are lots of them in the Muslim religion. There are thousands burning our flag and protesting against the killing of Bin Laden in the Phillipines right now. There are tens of thousands chanting death to America across the middle-east right now. Just saying- it is not a few, but many

Even I know Don Key was being sarcastic. . .or. . . WAS HE? Good Lord, people!

If you weren't that stupid, you would have known that it's not all Muslims you're fighting with. Those that you are fighting are the ones that, I agree, are a little bit extreme, but they fight for what's theirs. It is said, in Kur'an that you should never kill anyone, unless that person is bringing, willingly, your and life of beloved ones in danger. I don't see your troops getting out of Muslim countries. Leave, and they will stop. But no, you are one country full of idiots that have no idea how big your fortune is, but you go to other countries that don't have what you do, and take from them. You should be ashamed.
And here you're gloating over Osama's death, when of the greatest man that ever lived in USA once said:"I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy." He's a person whose thoughts you should follow, and not some idiots your country was ran by before. And just once, you should try reading about other ethnics and religions, and you might even change your washed mind!

I truly want to believe that not all Muslims support the destruction of non-Muslims and can co-exists with other religions. However, without having studied the Koran in depth, I do question the Muslim's teachings on eventually ridding the world of non-Muslims.

While I believe it to be disrespectful to burn the Koran, I don't understand the double standard as to why burning the Bible and the American Flag seems to be tolerated but burning the Koran warrants murder and threats. The attention seeking Pastor in Florida was critized greatly by the media for threatening and then following through with the burning of the Koran while the media should have focused more on the true criminals who were killing as a repercussion. In the end, the media should not have put the spotlight on the Pastor which would have prevented the murderous acts driven by revenge.

Susan, the reason why you dont understand is, you find it easier to adopt the reasoning of others, than apply critical analysis and come up with your own answers. This is made a lot worse when your friends and neighbors are doing the same, the result is a large group of completely misguided people.

I refuse to call Terry Jones a pastor. No man of God seeks to burn any book which is alleged to be compiled from the Word. Jones motive is not Christian values or principles. Jones motive is blind hatred and a wish for bloodshed.

From a Christian standpoint, the Bible records the death of those who offended the Holy Spirit. Is it unusual for the Muslims to wish the death of those who offend the Holy Spirit? Even by Christian standards it is unacceptable.

Does not the Bible say Satan is a master of disguise and deceit. Jones actions are those of a handmaiden of Satan. Provoking hatred and bloodshed. I cannot ignore the hate ridden provocation of Jones, and I quite understand the reaction of Muslims to hate Jones in return.

Christianity proposes what benefit is there to man if he saves his earthly body body and forfeits his future in heaven. From my viewpoint it appears Muslims would forfeit their earthly body for a future in heaven. Not an unknown concept in Christianity. The Crusades and missionary work are based on these premises.

Your attitude of sweeping Jones's actions and challenging the response of Muslims, can either be the result of your need for acceptance in your community, or it is due to your own hatred with which you find camraderie with Jones.

SacramentoMike- thanks for the pshyco-analysis but unfortunately you have me pegged incorrectly. I am not easily persuaded by my surroundings and have no problem voicing my position regardless of what the majority may think or feel about me. I also do not hate Muslims, I just don't understand where they are coming from having had limited exposure to their culture.

Your interpretation is very interesting and has given me food for thought however please understand that while I do not condone the actions of Terry Jones, let's not forget that people chose how they will react to situations therefore let's not be so naive to let the radicals off the hook because they were offended. From my perspective, it is clear that the radicals not only hate TJ but also Americans who have done nothing to disrespect them. BTW - What provoked 9/11?

I have never been a follower and have no desire to follow. I just want to understand so I can form my own opinion without jumping to conclusions.

Susan, The United States using military force to impose a state called Israel populated by Europeans not wanted in their home countries, in Palestine is the source of the ongoing hostility.

We bombed Beirut, using the USS New Jersey flattening buildings in Beirut with no regard to thousands of civilians who were killed or injured. Bin Laden explicitly stated, that 911 was payback for the bombing of Beirut.

Of course the US media cant tell the truth if it bit them in the leg. They pander to the worst side of our society, instead of telling the truth which is what the press should do, they chose to lie and deceive, and cover up the reasons for 911.

so thank god we have mike !

Erpcl-4ever - it is easy to name call however why criticize those who question and don't take whatever the media says at face value? Have you ever known the Media or the Government officials to be wrong and or to embellish the truth? I am not saying that the death of Osama is a conspiracy but allow your fellow Americans to have their own opinions without criticizing and name calling.

The Birther and Deather titles were created by the liberal movement to categorize everyone with a different opinion.

IT IS OKAY TO QUESTION IF YOU ARE NOT CERTAIN THINGS ARE TRUE! What may be sufficient evidence for some may not be for others. That doesn't make those who question bad.

Susan,

Just wondering if you fell that way towards the 9-11 Truthers. I also do not believe everything the press floats, the government/military floats or Big Corps float. I also do my own research on most issues before forming an opinion.

I think the OBL killing is one of the ones I believe. I do not think it adds to our security, though I am glad he is gone. In fact, a piece of bacon in his sink sack would have been okay w/ me.

Thanks.

I also do my own research on most issues before forming an opinion.

Do you really, or do you hit up different websites and news articles and look at what others say they have researched.

Actually both, depending on the subject, but fair enough. If I go to Fox and MSNBC POVs, I still do not think either one is completely "Fair or Balanced", so I may actually go to a .gov, Regulatory or the actual site of the company/subject of discussion. But my entire life is not about feeding trolls nor antagonists. I have to work too hard to make a living to worry about cyberdetractors.

Nothing personal, ron. How about yourself, sir?

I do not like many of the things I find, either, btw.

I keep telling these people we did indeed land on the Moon!

Look. From your back yard with a telescope, you can see mirrors on the surface of the Moon from the Apollo craft's landing gear.

Oh sorry, now it's a conspiracy and Bin Laden's not dead. Same thought process as the fake moon landing people though.

When Columbus first sailed around the world these guys would be hollering that it was a conspiracy and the Earth is flat!

Oh Susan. "Birther" and "Deather" were not created by some liberal think tank and cleverly engineered to make Tea Partiers look bad. There's no conspiracy here but they continue to make them up just to smear Obama.

This is like the 5th one in two years. The baggers are making themselves look bad all on their own. The terms are just a natural label for really stupid theories with no proof and no point other than smearing the President.

i just found my new favorite drink...

islander59

I'll have a bin laden...2 shots and a splash

I LOL'd.

2 shots of some hot sh1t and splash of salt water

cheers, everyone!

islander59

Best post of the day. "I'll have a bin Laden - two shots and a splash."

Paul - you have more brain damage than Bin Laden. Please get help, thanks.

Isn't it sad that there are people in this country who will take the word of our sworn enemy over the word of our President?

Sorry but I disagree. We are a gazillion steps ahead of these guys. Why on earth would we want to stoop to their level? Shakespeare said it best "To thine own self be true..." We must be who we are and let them be who they are. The world will be able to tell the difference but not if we are suddenly down on their level.

granny...these terrorists dont want to sing kumbayah. Their only goal is kill americans. Take out as many as humanly possible. This wishy washy treatment of OBL's death only enables them to want to kill more americans. You have to show might and strength and that we dont take crap from anyone. This is not academic. The only thing these guys understand is fear. You get them peeing down their leg in order for them to comprehend that their untimely fate is not going to be a pleasant one. Strength thru superior firepower. Read art of war sometime.