I agree with you. Normally I do not support these types of complaints, like the ones about the naming of sports teams, but this one is valid. It was an extremely poor choice for a code name and showed great disrespect for Native Americans. Geronimo was a brave and honorable man and should not have been associated with scum like bin Laden. They are due a formal apology for this from the Pentagon, who are the ones that chose the code name.

They didn't have to use a person's name at all. It could have been called Operation Let's Roll, or Operation Justice. Didn't have to pick the name of some race's hero.

I agree maybe we should have been more sensitive in choice of code name but I never related it to a slur against Geronimo. I thought of the name more as a term for our great warriors the Navy Seals and what the mission was. I have no disrespect whatsoever for Native Americans or Geronimo..sorry for the error in judgement I can see where this might be a warranted complaint.

Honestly, on this I think they are being overly sensitive and the offense is contrived. It's just a code name, meant to obscure the target's identity in case their conversation was picked up by foreign actors, there's no greater meaning behind it.

Were they referring to OBL as Geronimo or the brave members of Team 6 that conducted the op?

If you have a complaint, take it up with a Navy Seal.

I'm from the DEEP South, and if it had been called Operation Hillbilly, I would not have been offended. Since OBL was supposedly hiding in the foothills of Pakistan, it might have been appropriate. Let's all lighten up; the name "Geronimo" was not meant to be a racial slur.

Go SEALs!!

Actually, Tonto is the most recognizable Indian name.
F*ck this PC world. What a bunch of wimps to worry about such a stupid thing.

They should be proud that Geronimo's name comes up at all.

How does anyone "kinda have a point"?

I do not associate the code name 'Geronimo' with ObL but with the brave and heroic operation and the men who brought an end to this long awaited end. If I were to complain about anything associated with Geronimo it would be the return of his remains from the skull and bones society along with an apology from the bush family for the grandfather having desecrated his resting place and peace. In case the Native Nation can not see the difference then by all means replace the code name with mine.

Who care what they call him, as long as they call him Dead.

I see this as another sad attempt to bring attention to a group that was horribly mistreated in the past. Time to get over it and build a new reason to have pride in who you are, not what you were. No one complained in Somalia when the operation was named after a girl. They are words that are easy to understand over a mic unit and words that will not be used on the battlefield so that no one gets confused. Geronimo is dead and so is bin Laden. Let's move on.

From the DOD: "Next time the mission will be called: Operation A#$hole on a Poker." No, no no- that might offend. How about "Operation shish kabob Bin Laden". No, no, no too close. How about "Packing Stan". No, no, too close too. Alright, "Operation Cupid" it is.

The media got it wrong once again. The code name for bin Laden was Jackpot. The success for the raid was Geronimo. Geronimo was a brave man. This raid was a brave action.

All you who agree that this was a slur don't have the facts. If bin Laden had been code named that, then there would be reason for complaint. But that was not the case. Using Geronimo as code word for success is a compliment.

Part of the problem we have in this country is that people make opinions without having the facts. When only one source is believed, misinformation is perpetuated. This is a good example. When people start getting smart and checking around for the facts, we all will move forward with much more success.

First of all, Geronimo wasn't used as the code name of the target (Bin Laden); it was used as the code name of the operation. The operation the Navy seals conducted is in perfect harmony with the man Geronimo because both were brave and heroic! Bin Laden's codename was Jackpot. Frankly, it is more a tribute to Native Americans than an insult or offense. People need to get their facts straight before they cry persecution and discrimination!

And what is with the sub-title? Since when has anyone tried to associate or label Native Americans as terrorists? That is ridiculous. Are we talking historically - I guess you could attempt to make that argument. But if we go there this nation doesn't exactly esteem itself either with our genocidal campaign - so nobody had anything to be proud of in that retrospect.

I think they should have called it Operation Groundhog. But that does not have the tough sound that Geronimo has, does it. I bet they did not even think of anyone being offended. They just needed a name to confuse any who might have been listening to transmissions. If they had Intended an insult, that would have been a different matter.

>>Tw%t, Tw%t, Tw%t<<

I'm not sure if it's insulting, or they just could say that without laughing themselves silly!

Ever tried decaf, skor? Perhaps give it some thought.

Time to put their Big Boy and Girl Underoos

they make big boy underoos??? gotta get me some o' those.

but seriously, it was just a military operation. people should stop taking offense at every little thing, cultural icons are in the public consience and are going to be used in ways different from their original use or intention.

Such whiners. You cant do anything or say anything anymore without some race or someone getting offended and making a federal case. People really need to chill out. Who gives a flying sh-t what the codename was. We got that terrorist turd and thats all that matters. I wish people would stop with the whining and look at the bigger picture.

Read up on the significance of the word Geronimo. Even if it was some other obscure name someone somewhere on this planet would be offended. People are insane I swear.

@newoneironaut with the Opeartion Hillbilly comment, thanks for a laugh this morning. Not sure if it was meant to be both, but I found it insightful and hilarious.

Aw DARN! Maybe we should have played "Cowboys & Muslims" instead of shouting: "Geronimo, here we go" as we made an insane dash on our bikes down a ridiculously steep hill. But then, "Politically Correct" hadn't been invented then.

BTW, I asked hubby & his mother who are a fair poirtion of American Indian if this was offensive, & they both looked at me like I had squirrels climbing out of my ears.

New, Actually, I adore all coffees but detest Kook-aid. Guess you bought it all, didn't ya. The one freedom Americans do not possess is a free mind. Of course, they don't teach Native American Studies in kindergarten.

Take a little trip to Krober Hall, Cal Berkeley, where Native American Studies were born. Actually, some of these readings and history, I couldn't bear to read, they were so atrocious, so vile, so utterly evil.

"Geronimo was an Indian Terrorist that attacked US Troops and property."

Question #1 would be, Was he not just protecting his native land from encroachment? You do understand our government repeatedly violated signed treaties with the Indians. And that there otherwise was no legitimate right to take land from the Indians that they had occupied for years. Manifest Destiny is not a legal right. He was hardly a terrorist.

I am a liberal Obama supporter and the first time I heard this code name I thought it in poor taste. Would assume this code was assigned by someone at a high level but not likely the president. He should have changed it when he first heard it. Poor choice here.

Here's what the indians say about Geronimo - "Geronimo bravely and heroically defended his homeland and his people" The SEALS were brave and heroic, so be proud they used Geronimo's name. Osama was called "Jackpot". Lighten up!

skor154 - is "genocided" even a word? Since when did the noun genocide become a verb? You need to get your historical facts straight, as well.

As for using Geronimo as code...please, give me a break! Stop whining about political correctness. I agree with jaden and CalifGina. It has always been my understanding that Geronimo refers to bravery and heroism, that the use of the term "Geronimo" is an honor. I guess it's impossible to please all of the people all of the time, but please, let's worry about something that is actually important.

I can understand the reactions, a small piece of me agrees with the dislike of using Geronimo as the codename of the operation, but the reaction is WAY out of proportion. However, I must confess to a sensitivity on this issue. I also am offended by the sports team the Washington Redskins. No one would tolerate a team called the Baltimore Blackskins, and I don't see a difference (though other sports teams such as the Seminoles I am OK with).

This might be a "jumping of the shark" for sympathies toward "victims" of long past history. At some point if you don't let it go, it defines you and you keep the hate alive.

It has always been my understanding that Geronimo refers to bravery and heroism, that the use of the term "Geronimo" is an honor.

If you look at it that way you are calling bin laden a hero and honoring him. Geronimo was not the name of the operation it was the code name chosen to identify the target.

I really do not have a problem with it myself however given the miss treatment of our Apache, Ute, Sioux, and other Indian tribes I understand their being upset with this use of his name.

Geronimo was an Indian Terrorist that attacked US Troops and property. He was an enemy of the State.

No, your statement is the white mans revisionist history. Geronimo was defending his homeland from the invasion of americans wanting to take it away from his people.

Does this crap ever end ? No.

A "critic" states in the article that "It's another attempt to label Native Americans as terrorists".

"Another attempt" ??? Sorry to disagree, but I do read a lot and follow the news. What are the other examples of labelling "Native Americans" as "terrorists" ??? Did I miss all those others stories ???

What a bunch of hooey over nothing.

tony, I'm so glad I'm not the only one who had no clue about all those "other attempts" to label Native Americans" as terrorists! :oP I guess the folks who make a living from being offended need to pay for their expensive gasoline too!

They should have used Charmin as the code word...no wait that would have given toilet paper a bad rap! Back to square one!

As a cultural anthropologist that has worked with and lived among the American Indian people for 2 decades, I would suggest that everyone tone down their anger and insensitivity to this request. Open your mind by reading and learning about the brutal history of European Americans and their twisted Manifest Destiny proclamation that they used to convince themselves that they had the right to "exterminate" the people that had been living on this land for 1,000's of years. Land that they wanted and killed innocent men, women and children to do so. To the American Indians, Geronimo was hunted down like an animal and treated like a terrorist by the leaders of this country when all he was trying to do was protect his land and people. This history isn't taught in our school systems and you don't ever get exposed to that sordid piece of our history unless you go into a particular field of study. The Native leaders and people I know are offended and rightfully so. The name of a brave warrior like Geronimo should never be linked to someone like OBL.

jodeman, if you think the American Indians are a bunch of whiners, you don't have a fuc@@@@ clue about these great people. I will not try to explain it to you because someone of your limited intelligence simply could not understand.

What if we had called it operation wetback oh wait that one was already taken. How about Camel Jockey? Dago?, Whop?, Moon Cricket? Mick? Sand flea? Do you think this would bother anyone????? I'm pretty sure it would!!!!!! How about Operation Paki.

Even Fat Head Ed Schultz called the Pakistanis that on his radio show yesterday. I guess it just goes to show that even some left wing libs are racist.

Well, Dano-86, they did wipe him out.

Its asinine reactions like this that does more harm than good with respect to how people view Indians. Code names for operations are generally employed that have no connection or meaning to the actual operation lest they provide a clue to the enemy. That’s all this is, so please spare me the faux anguish over essentially nothing.

I believe the code name for the D Day invasion of Normandy was operation Overlord. Can you imagine if they used something like operation invasion? The Nazis, through their intelligence, were aware of operation Overlord but their high command differed on what the purpose of Operation overlord was. I think they would have had a clearer idea if it were named operation invasion.

There was a military initiative in Vietnam called operation apache snow. I don’t recall any activists objecting to that one. No objections for operation Cochise (also Vietnam era) either.

This is nothing more than the usual political correctness crap and no insult to Geronimo, a great warrior, was intended or implied. To the contrary, I should have thought attaching his name to an operation to bring down one of the most vile terrorists would have been something of an honor.

Dano - "They should have used Charmin as the code word...no wait that would have given toilet paper a bad rap! Back to square one."

Isn't that always the way. It always takes more than one square to do the job.

Are they really serious? This is such a non-story.

Seriously????

Bin Laden and Geronimo = Both dead

Heros to some, villians to others.

When the American government decides to go kill somebody you can bet they'll call the operation any @/ @ m n thing they please.

I'm sure the politicians are sorry they hurt somebody's feelings.

Hey, did you hear? Osama's dead...way to go Obama.

This is actually an irrevalant discussion of a code name chosen..

Osama Bin Laden is dead. That's all that is important. A defining moment in the term of President Obama. He now is the Commander in Chief of All Armed Forces.

Credit is due to the Navy Seals (6), the President and his team for keeping this so secret to Osama's final day---

Let's enjoy the moment of a Grand Win against the fight against Terrorism and future Terrorist Leaders, to wonder if they will be the next one to be shot in the head by the US Military forces.

If this had occurred any other time in history, it wouldn't have been an issue. However, now there is an overwhelming drive to concern ourselves with the feelings of others regardless of how frivolous the reference. Hell, we’ve gone to the extreme of banning words from our vocabulary. Obviously, there wasn't any intention to disgrace a historical figure, but he has a valid point and why not jump on the bandwagon. Imagine the outrage if they used codename Gandhi, Sam Houston or MLK. Maybe at some point the tides will turn and we’ll return to some reasonable semblance of reality

File this one under "Who cares? Get Over It"

My nickname is NUMBNUTS, and if a Navy Seal jumped out of an airplane shouting, "NUMBNUTS" I wouldn't be offended.

They had to go with Geronimo, "Fluffy Bunny" was already taken.

And just in case it was missed, I think that anything more than a flip sarcastic comment is an abslute WASTE regarding this subject.

I think it should have been called "Operation DoucheBag" but then Donald Trump would be pissed.

HMM,

Not to sound insensitive, but face it, welcome to the club. There is not a race of people out there, including the white Euopeans, that this has not happened to somewhere in the historyof their country. Native Americans were just one of the more recent ones because we had not yet gotten to them yet.

The history of mankind is littered with atrocities against one another, the native americans are no different and are not exempt.

HMM-360962

I suspect these people already know the history of "Manifest Destiny"/White terrorism in the United States.

I have concluded that people DO NOT CARE.

Were codewords really needed for this? Couldn't they have just said "F^ckhead's Dead?"

No offense to all the f^ckheads out there.

This nation has become a bunch of Candy Asses!!!!!!!!

Shove the PC crap where it belongs.

Can't sneeze without offending someone....................

This is our media stirring the pot....... oops....... might offend someone

I'm thinkin Aunt Jemima would have been a good one. Think that would fly?

HMM, I agree. Do you find it interesting that they are taking the jap history about Pearl Harbor out of the history books?

Code word should have been "cracker head", cause team 6 cracked his head. Made it look like a canoe, how about "canoe head"?

BTW, I'm a cracker from Florida, I take pride in being a cracker, and I'm not offended when others use it in a derogatory way. It shows their lack of education and intelligence (Crackers got their nickname from driving cattle with bullwhips).

DaveM is right on the point here. It has gotten so bad that no matter what a person says they will piss off someone. Give it a freakin rest people.

It is one thing when comments are said WITH the intent of degrading someone, but NOT everything that is said is done with a malicous attempt to offend or degrade someone else.

Actually, I kind of like, "TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!"

What would happen if we called our sporting teams names that denigrated American blacks, also once enslaved Americans? How about code naming a terrorist MLK?

Interesting, how after much suffering and misery, the American blacks were finally assimilated into our society; however, to-date, this is not applicable to the first Americans, whose homes and lands were here for, conservatively, 20,000 years.

Somehow, today, it would be politically incorrect to insult an American black; however, the Native Americans are still not integrated into American society and political correctiveness.

Next question. Do you think the USA will be around in 20,000 years?

It's for the racist white people to laugh this off, stupid Indians. As soon as I saw that the name "Geronimo" that was the code word for Osama, was used I knew the Native Americans were going to be pissed. Geronimo was a great warrior, it is an insult to code name a black hearted terrorist Geronimo. What if the code name was Charlton Heston. You would hear "Charlton Heston's here, we got him", see the difference, and I'm a white person.

Get a life! If they'd used "rat-bag" those PETA folks would have bleated.

Charlton Heston? Doesn't have the same ring to it.... its bland. But they could have use it all the same and all you'd get from the public would be puzzled shrugs. Your analogy falls on its face. But Geronimo! That conjures up fear and danger. It a household word in fairly common usage because he is so famous. Native Americans don't own the @!$%#ing term Geronimo. Time to quit keeping yourself down with petty excuses like this and join the rest of the world.

This is baloney. It's just a code name. It is an homage to a famous Native American, and not a reference to a despised terrorist.

This is without doubt, one of the stupidest G%$# D%$&ed things I have EVER read on the Vine.

The US military has used native American words to name operations for a very long time. Why bring it up now? There will always be people who want to add vinegar to sweet water.

How is it offensive? Did someone call Geronimo a dumbass or something? Where the hell does it end with these pacifists? I'm so sick and tired of this Orwellean, nightmarish corner we have painted ourselves into. Put your big girl panties on and shut the hell up. It's called life! You will be offended, screwed over, belittled, made to feel inferior and berated as well at some point in your life, regardless of race, etc. That's what makes you toughen up! In some instances it's a lifeometer, hence a gauge to let you know that just maybe you are screwed up and you need to fix yourself! Bunch of damn babies.

The success for the raid was Geronimo. Geronimo was a brave man. This raid was a brave action.

Best explanation ever. Thank you.

If you've never been discriminated against being a minority, then you have no friggin' clue as to how it feels. That's all I'm gonna say on that!

I am for one, sick of the Political Correctedness Category.

It will be a refreshing day when all of us can say directly what we think, and how we act.

Etiquette? Call Miss Manners. She'll know the answer.

I am Native And yup Geronimo is a hero to me and to Many of us. You know what Ive been called names My whole life. Big deal all it shows is how ignorant some so called Americans really are.True Americans actually have some sort of pride in where they now live. And actually want to know the truth about this land. And it's people. Beyond pilgrims and John Wayne.

If you are an American citizen and your relatives came here at some point After Spain decided to send three ships. Well your family abandoned their homeland. And you now live in a new land.

Most immigrants came over not because they had it made where they came from. But because it sucked there for them. For whatever reason.

Native Americans have never left. And Have fought in every War and helped us as a nation succeed in every War. The Apache are an amazing people. Great warriors and Geronimo is a USA hero.

And I am not whining I love being Injun ;-)

Bet the Seal who fired that kill shot has some Injun in him!!!!

'Geronimo': Native Americans blast bin Ladin code name

Once again a POOR postulate! - SHOULD READ:

'Geronimo': SOME Native Americans blast bin Ladin code name

Members of The US Armed Services only use the cry "Geronimo" with Honor as a symbol of great success. American Indians are most fair in their Councils. I was happy to see some tribal leaders had a different opinion of this use of it.

Most of these Newsvine postulates are written for the specific purpose of stirring up debate...

"Geronimo" was used in WWII buy US Paratroopers. If it is in use again he has been reinlisted...

joe wobblie Ha but stop whining about stirring up debate without debate what would we whine about.

lol I am joking check for your post

I like John Wayne

When I think of the word Geronimo, I don't think of Indians. I'm 50 years old.

I think of jumping into a swimming pool and screaming "Geronimo" - kind of like hitting a target. But, that definition is not in the dictionary. I just noticed that someone else screamed the word when flying down a hill on a bicycle.

I really don't think of American Indians when I hear the word geronimo (I refuse to call them native Americans because I think my Viking relatives were here first but that's another story for another day).

Sanescience - You're one of the few sane people posting.

HMM - So what and why do we care? I am sooooooooooooo over people getting bent out of shape and complaining about every little small thing.

Can everyone just be an American and move forward?

Joey

I disagree that your relatives were in North America before mine. I am related to the Vikings who were all over the place.

Nonetheless, I live in the here and now. While history is important, unless you really lived at that time, you really don't know what was going on.

We all need to stop having chips on our shoulders and just be Americans.

I just can't believe SOME Native American's are really up in arms about this. Really? That's all you got out of this event? The code name? Have you nothing better to do?

paljoey

Check for you too! Yes, I am an old whino! Bravo Joey! - Hoka Hey!

Born here. Raised here. Live here. This is my homeland no matter where my ancestors came from or how much you don't want it to be. That's just the way it is.

Funny how some minorities call this offensive "and unless you are a minority you don't have a clue what they are talking about" MOMUS 2009......

Yeah, I hear alot of minorities calling themselve the N word, but if someone else does it- it is racist........

Until you guys learn to respect yourselves( pulling up the pants) NO ONE ELSE WILL- so don't get pissed when you are dissed.......

As far as the Indians getting upset- have some more firewater and relax........... the job will take care of itself.

NO PC crap replies please.

I don't get it... seriously - I really don't get your excuse? diatribe?... unsupported claim? that minorities are the weird ones, and should be punished, for being kids? in a few years, much like 2 ft. Afros or Corn rows - this too shall pass...

You lay down the "law" about how you feel about someone else (expanding it to include all blacks (Ok, you were PC enougj to say - minorities at least once or twice), then have the nerve to try to "guilt" reasonable people from disputing your idiotic comments?

I'm pretty sure "minorities" have some illuminating remarks about whites that they don't like and can't understand why all Whites put up with it and don't tell their kids to get straight with the world.

Columbine for one, The fantastic number of serial killers, abductors of women - who are kept sometime for years as living sex slaves?

Can you explain that so they can understand it? Hell can you explain it so I can understand it?

WHat about the guy in Germany who kept his daughter locked in an underground apartment, fathered several kids with her ... and his wife was OK with it?

You mention kids wearing their pants to show off they boxer shorts, OK - that is disgusting. What you don't mention is the number of Whites, Latinos, Asians, etc - doing the exact same thing. How does that work?

That about as Non-PC and I feel comfortable being in a public forum. But with a little thought - I'm pretty sure you can come up with even more indecipherable actions which seem to be peculiar to the White tribe. Oh... forgot to mention - "Jack-Ass movies" what up with dat?

Joey

I disagree that your relatives were in North America before mine. I am related to the Vikings who were all over the place.

Nonetheless, I live in the here and now. While history is important, unless you really lived at that time, you really don't know what was going on.

Here we go with this White Supremacist, Historical Revisionist Eurobabble.

The Native Americans have been here for 20,000 years. The vikings MAY have explored North America 1000 years ago.

SMFH, get a life.

indecipherable actions which seem to be peculiar to the White tribe.... "Jack-Ass movies" what up with dat?

Yes, some archaeologist will unearth a stash of Jackass movies a few centuries from now and come up with new theories on why our civilization collapsed.

Tek, The US is not where man originated unless there's been some update I missed so technically all of us have ancestors who were immigrants. Welcome to the club!

DaveM...You can call me what you want. It's a free country. But don't go off calling the law when you get your @!$%# knocked in the dirt son! Funny thing about poor white people though. They actually think rich white give a @!$%# about them. Poor white people are nothing more than mere trash to blue-blood whites and that's what cracks me up about this country. The rich have been pitting poor whites against everyone else since Reconstruction and you idiots fell for it. They sold ya'll on the "Middle Class" to make you morons feel good about yourselves. Now look at you! Too funny!

Momus- Not your son.

Yes it is a free country and sorry- I am not an idiot thinking rich people care about me.

I really hate seeing minorities AND whites calling themselves N and cracker then cry about it when another race uses the exact same word in the exact same context.

People need to respect themselves before anyone will respec them. Respect is earned not given by what people expect or who they think they are.

I do think America with the liberal mindset of Political Corectness has gone too far in what people can and cannot say.

I mean my god- people are upset with Lebron James using the word retarded!!!!! Now he is on TV apoligizing because he offended some retard.....

@ cartrax; I agree. I do not believe the word Geronimo was used in derragotory manner,if anything it makes him timeless,and yes this was used by paratroopers,as a release to jump.

It also has parity as he was a staunch defender of his homeland,I believe it is more in this context than anything biased or racial, Im just not seeing it(the offensiveness).

Geronimo was the code name for when "jackpot" was killed. Personally I thought "crackpot" would have been more suitable.

Geronimo is a long time battle cry. Are native American indians not Americans too? Lots of people name their dog, cats and other pets, Geronimo. I seen several business places of different kinds named Geronimo. Just because there was once a famous American Indian named Geronimo, does not make it exclusive.

On second thought, maybe they should be honored they selected Geronimo. By the way I am part American indian, just a different tribe. And If they had called it "Trail of Tears" it would have been ok with me.

All of you have a point, but why couldn't they have used a neutral name like the BORG (boring old radical guy) or the Klingon or the PIG? Wait a minute! Calling him a PIG would be an insult to pigs!!!!

I mean, geezo-pete! That smelly old f*rt was such a coward that he had to hide behind a woman.

Awww, I guess democracy didn't apply to Geronimo or the Trail of Tears or the Native American/ American schools where their children were taken from them on their concentration camps and placed into American brainwashing, so their children would think like us, ridding them of their religions, beliefs, traditonal respect for Holy Earth and their ancient thinking. And, if these Native American children didn't snap to, too fast, they were beaten.

Of course, they were the lucky ones. This democracy genocided twice as many Native Americans as Hitler killed Jewish, and then California had that active Indian/Geronimo Slave Trade in Humbolt CA, where orphaned Native American children were sold as house, field and sex slaves. the Red Skins, the braves, the Kansas City Chiefs, Cleveland Indians and that sport team named, Indian Genocide.

Onward Christian Soldiers: Minnesota, Mississippi, Ohio, Missouri, Idaho, Utah, Dakotas, Texas, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Connecticut, Kentucky, Michigan, Wisconsin, Delaware, Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Alaska, Geronimo, Genocide, Democracy, One Nation Under God...

What a bunch of whiny A$$ BS!!! Makes me want to Puke.

#2.4 Thankfulmom: Yes, hubby & his mother are Cherokees, too.

just research a little bit what geronimo actually did,.. he lead raids into inoccent villages, stole there stuff and then would sell it later, also killing innnocent people and ultimately surrendering the first time and going back on his word and killing people. george washington is no resemblance

skor...

12 million Native Americans were executed when the evil white folk moved to the New World ???

12 Million ???

Tojo or Eichmann may have been more appropo...or simply @!$%#

Pat...

But then we'd likely be reading about "Japanese-Americans" or "German-Americans"...maybe even "Nazi-Americans" being offended by the terminology.

SKOR's numbers are actually low. In 1600, the Native American population in the US was estimated at 12 - 18 million, with a total of 100 to 120 million throughout the Western hemisphere. In 1900 there were less than 250,000 native americans left in the US and 1.8 million in the western hemisphere. Disease brought by the white settlers was by far the biggest killer, but starvation and murder accounted for millions. It is generally accepted in scientific circles that Hitler's massacre of 6 million Jews and a further 5 million christians is the second largest genocide in the history of mankind. The US massacre of the Indians is first on that list. No this is not taught in any US schools, but the information is out there if you look.

I definitely do not think this is making something out of nothing. Why say "Geronimo EKIA" that directly refers to Geronimo as a nickname for Bin Laden, someone who, in our American culture, is uspected of "hiding out." It has nothing to do with jumping out of a plane and yelling Geronimo, which is appropriating the Native reality of going into war. This, instead, was used as a stereotype like it always has been. Native Americans don't go around looking to be offended; all they have to do is wake up and walk outside into a Western Culture for that. Even further, if you think Native Americans are being too sensitive to just a "word" then let's calll Obama a "terrorist." That is what the rest of world is calling, especially with the US taking the dead body. My basic point is that is someone is offended and telling YOU that they are offended then what is the harm in recognizing it and who are YOU to say thay are wrong to be offended?

Incorrect George: The California Natives were almost massacred into extinction, and California was the most populated state with Native Americans. Most Native Americans in California are migrants from other states. You are correct on diseases; the Native Americans possessed no immunity to European diseases, spawned by killing the Earth's ecosystems. And, an American general, with an American University named after him, spread small pox in a blanket he gave to Native Americans, killing many. And as John Steinbeck wrote, about piles of dead INdians, with many hundred in each pile. [The protagonist in, "East of Eden" hated the killing of Indians.]

Many Native Americans also died from hunger. One chief, of what was then known as quite vicious by our government, wrote a letter in the 1700's, begging an American politician to please, quit slaughtering their food supply, like elk, deer, birds and bison [yes, at that time, a specie of bison was still extant on the east coast], begging him to stop killing their food supply as they were starving. [Letter featured in, "The History of Wildlife in America".

However, most Native Americans were simply slaughtered to the tune of killng more Native Americans than Hitler killed Jewish. My info comes from reading an eclectic array of books on Native American Studies, from varying professors. Not until the mid-1800's was any American interested in the cultures of the Native Americans, only in possessing their land and their gold and resources. So, much folktales exist regarding these beautiful and remarkable people and their culture.

The only Native American ever researched was at the beginning of the last century, the last free and wild Indian, Ishi. Professor Kroeber at UC Berkeley provided the world with the first, scientific research about the Native Americans' worldview and their thinking, truly unkown until Dr. Kroeber.

Just recently, I conversed with a park ranger who voiced how the California Natives were peace lovers, didn't even possess war weaponry. Today, American professors have shared their culture and lifestyle in many writings. And, "Dances with Wolves" was fairly accurate too.

OK Dave, I'm offended by everything you said - do you recognize it...or do you think I'm just being too sensitive?

Fine Dave, you're offended. Why can't we say it's BS to be offended? If one person can talk then so can another. BTW I'm part Cherokee, live in Oklahoma, and have seen the grave of Geronimo. Do I find it offensive? No.

Oh and lastly, Geronimo isn't the call sign for bin Laden, it was "Jackpot". Geronimo is the operational call sign for a successful mission.

So the entire premise I find to be asinine.

I agree! The code name for the OPERATION was Geronimo, NOT for Bin Laden! If anything, I think this puts the Geronimo name in a POSITIVE light not a negative. This is almost paranoia.

The article also points out "Apparently, having an African-American president in the White House is not enough to overturn the more than 200-year American tradition of treating and thinking of Indians as enemies of the United States," Newcomb wrote.

And THAT statement isn't supposed to be insulting? Most Americans recognize that what happened to Native Americans over 200 years ago was an awful and horrific act and understand the sensitivity of the subject. The fact that anyone would say that it is an "American tradition" to abuse Native Americans is severely misinformed and knows possibly less about my culture that I do of theirs. I was taught both by my family and in MY SCHOOL (both private and public schools) that what happened to Native Americans was WRONG and while I feel great guilt over what happened, my family didn't even immigrate to the US until the Italian immigration on Ellis Island. And the fact that someone 200 years later is implying that I spew hate on them is ridiculous - I do not, never have, and nor did my ancestors. This country is all I've ever known and I'm insulted than anyone would think that it is any tradition of mine to belittle the people and the culture that this land truly belongs to.

I just find it hypocritical that someone can be so insulted by the use of a name for an operation that yeilded POSITIVE RESULTS, and then turn around and throw a punch at the entire American population and culture. I get that there are hateful people out there, but to say that it is an "American tradition" is absurd. I feel more hate coming from that statement than I have ever shown towards Native Americans. I thought you were a peaceful culture?

The smallpox-infected blanket story's been debunked. Smallpox is extremely infectious, though and would have spread easily through person-to-person contact. It also has an airbourne phase during which time it's spread by sneezing and coughing.

Dave,

your comprehension is low read: Geronimo (mission) EKIA (Osama). It's not, "Geronimo KIA."

As I recall from WW2, "Geronimo" was yelled when our paratroopers took a jump. It was considered a war yell then. We were still pretty ignorant as to how words hurt. I would imagine that the armed services are still stuck in the past.

So, what should they have said in victory?

Skor, not sure which part of my post you believe to be wrong, but I indicted that millions had been starved and massacred. But from what I read the actual numbers claimed vary drastically and I'm not willing to claim a certain number, only that the number is very, very, very large.

Skor is also Dead wrong about us California Natives. We did not move here from other States. How do I know I am A California Native American. There were other Wars that happened due to land Grabs by ranchers. Bet they never taught you about the Owen's Valley Indian War 1861 to 1865 there were many other Wars for land grabs out here.

People out here were mostly peaceful until whites came. There were trade routes from Oregon down into current day Mexico. And all the way across to the east coast. Most of the history is told in stories not written. So whites tend to think its folklore. When mostly whats written is folklore LOL

My Tribe is from the Area. Also Geronimo did not jump in a boat settle in England and then go out on Raids claiming it as his own. So yeah he is more of a Hero than Good old George W. to me. I am just glad that George W. did so well against the Brits. With the French helping at the end though.

... The smallpox-infected blanket story's been debunked. Smallpox is extremely infectious, though and would have spread easily through person-to-person contact...

BS.

It is true,

About the only places which don't admit to the truth of this fact are probably in the Bible Belt; Texas or most of the other Gulf coast and Rio Grand adjacent states. But that's not a surprise - they don't believe in science, evolution, sex education. contraceptives - any of a host of legitimate prophylactics against ignorance, stupidity or illogical thought.

Skor is also Dead wrong about us California Natives. We did not move here from other States. How do I know I am A California Native American.

The Spanish found a thriving native American community when they invaded the Pacific West coast.

They too, infected and attempted to enslave the native Americans. Fortunately or unfortunately ... they found that task too difficult. As long as Indians could live off the land, there was no reason for them to submit to working for wages or accepting Christianity as practised by the Guardians of purity - the Spanish Inquisitors. They understood pain, abuse, emotional manipulation and were not afraid to use it.

Dr. Who yells "Geranimo" all the time, and he saved the entire universe. So there.

Then Dr. Who is the biggest bigot of all !!!

IIRC from yesterday's articles Geronimo referred sspecifically to bin Laden and not the name of the operation. DoD has programs used to generate lists of code names for operations intended to not give away what the operation's purpose is. Often it seems like common sense is lacking when they pick.

Why did they even need a code name for bin Laden over ultra secure networks? Did they think Wikileaks was listening in? Brings to mind when some mook on the radio would think he was being secure by saying "uh! we need code name Snuffy to report to the mess tent for KP."

It's not like the operators on the ground were going to run around asking people there "where's Geronimo?"

Maybe we could have saved all these groups and people from suffering offense to a codename by calling it Operation Waldo...since we've been asking "where" he was for the past decade !

Operation Waldo! I like it....I'm guessing pig f**ker was too pejorative? Or already inuse with say....Gadhaffi?

To difficult to say " Where's Pig F**ker" when "Where's Waldo" has a nice flow and historical literary reference !

'Rat-Bag' or 'S**t-Head' would work just as well, but the silver paper in their ball caps brigades would bleat about that, too.

I am with Tony where's waldo is nice. If they show us some pictures we might have an answer.

It is a compliment. Shouting Geronimo when you do something with extreme testicular fortitude is paying respect to one of the toughest men to ever walk the planet.

TBAustin, yes, if I were to choose a people who were God's chosen, I would pick Native Americans. When the first Europeans came to California, they wrote in their journals, that though they had traveled the world, they had never met a people who loved each other so much.

They did not possess a modicum of competition in recreation or in their games. When they celebrated, everyone participated. Being rich, meant to share with others. A young, healthy hunter would share the best of the hunt with an elderly lady. The feathers on their head dress stood for the good deeds they performed for others.

Many Americans believe, the movies and views that Native Americans warred with one another before the USA showed up, are erroneous. The California Natives had no war weapons in which to defend themselves. Many books have been written, the Native Americans did not believe in war, some of which I have in my own library.

They were truly free, experiencing what social scientists claim is the most successful lifestyle for man, small scale hunting and gathering, which afforded them almost twice as much free time for leisure. They didn't have to work so long and hard for the basics. They had no jobs and no bosses, like Americans who slave the vast majority of their lives for their jobs and bosses, separated for the vast majority of their lives from loved ones and their children!

They lived with their families and children all of their lives and played and lived in Paradise -- with twice as much leisure time and freedom. Dances with Wolves and Dances in Paradise with the Gods.

And, Ishi reported, after their people were being massacred by One Nation Under God, the sky people, that came to Earth through a hole in the sky, quit coming. I guess the sky people didn't like witnessing genocide as well.

OMG!!! They Killed Geronimo, then buried him at sea!!! Geez!!! When will the whiny a$$ crap stop!!!! Get a life. Move the hell on.

Give me a break...It was Operation Geronimo (code name for the operation to kill Osama) This was not for sure the code name they gave Osama. If this is a weak try for the Native American to sue US...please just fight your casino issues. We don't need people complaining when something is done and when is not done...there is not copyright on the name because is a generic name...and is used to name people and when something outrageous and brave is being done. Like what our Navy Seals have done. So get over it.

Native tribes didn't engage in warfare against each other? Burn those books. They're not accurate.

Depends on the tribe And what natives your talking about But yeah Skor is smoking some good Nor cal Medicinal aint he Not all California Natives think we are SKY people. That sounds like some white guys way of describing something he has no clue about. The Earth is a symbol for Mother (female) Grandfather spirit is a symbol for (Male) Native would point to the sky.

Life is a cycle not a line Birth------->Death

More like Birth death return to life as whatever else or pass on to the next level of existence. There is no real death so die a good one. There are more than one world more like multiple worlds like the spirit world.

Also most tribes did not have Chiefs they had councils. Whites named the Chiefs in an attempt to understand who was in charge.

There are a lot of us out here that have native american ancestors, but were raised in a strictly white culture and we don't know squat about our ancestors except what we see on TV. My grandmother was 100% Choctaw, that makes me about 25% and there is some on my fathers side, add it all up, and I am a little more than the 25% from my grandmother. I don't know diddly about my native American ancestors. So at any rate, I have not suffered because of any of this, and feel that it is time for the Native Americans to just move on and be Americans. My family has.

What's the big deal? Geronimo wasn't even his real Native American name. It merely is "Jerome" in Spanish.

"Lets look at the facts"

Code Name: ANAL

A lot of those codenames could betray the subject in context. "Rawhide" for Reagan was predictable, as was "Halo" for Pople John Paul. Others are just ironic. "Sundance" for Al Gore? "Searchlighht" for Richard Nixon? That's hilarious.

Is there a point to that?

Always gotta love it when some fool puts an extra-long post up. Guess what? We stop reading and move on to the next comment.

I think "Sundance" is the name of the masseuse Al Gore got in trouble with a few years ago....the time when he demanded a bit more service than the lady had signed up for and it ended up all over the news.

When Tipper Gore found out she filed to divorce her cad of a husband.

Witnesses state than when the divorce proceedings ended and Tipper burst out the door of the courthouse, she yelled "Geronimo !!!"

You forgot my code name, Gives a Sh*t!!

Don't anyone mention sundance...you'll piss off some more Indians.

Waldorf Astoria -- "Roadhouse" -- like that one.

Bill Clinton was Eagle? Can anyone guess the meaning of the code phrase "Houston, the Eagle has landed"?

jane...

Wrong...they'd only be offended if "Raindance" was used.

George...

I think they called Bill Clinton "Eagle" because he was always trying to leave the nest and go a-hunting on his own.

Wasn't Dubya's alternate code name "Charley"? As in Charley McArthey to Dick Cheney's "Edgar" (Bergen)?

It's almost as if a whole people had been erased, 100-120 million since Columbus (discovered) American. And people are incense because these people that were left are voicing a perceived insult to one of their warrior-leaders. How could they not!!!

Cool. Thanks for sharing, I really enjoyed this one. Jackie O's was Lace? Fitting.

If Al Gore was Sundance, then Bill Clinton should have been Butch, right? ;-)

Bigger Problems

thus reinforcing your ignorance.

I hope this didn't outdistance your attention span.

AMEN!

libertarian...

What kind of country would we be if somebody, somewhere isn't racially offended by just about any word that comes out of someone else's mouth.

That's not the case Tone, get a grip!!!

It's getting close to being the case.

It seems like the only people not compalining about being offended over something are white male taxpayers and Northern Nevada Comboy Poetry Festival attendees. Most everyone else has some type of complaint.

All those "taxpayers" want is to keep some of their own money and those "attendees" ??? Well...they just want to hear the Cowboy Poets prattle on.

Uh-oh...I hope the Cowboy Poets aren't offended !

Sorry.

Operation Douche Bag. That's awesome!

Maybe they could call it Operation A, but the Letter people and Sesame Street would be offended then.

LMFAO- good one chris

You cannot call it Operation:Douche Bag because the cast of Jersey Shore would have been offended!

Chris, the point is, this nation genocided twice as many Native Americans as Hitler killed Jewish. I guess America's brainwashed drones, have no problem with genociding. After all, we are the paradigm for democracy, right?

David...

That line is a winner !

skor...

In this nation...and on this website...aren't you worried about someone saying that your comment seems to be defending Hitler ?

And again...12+ million Native Americans were exterminated when this country was built ???

Everyone named Massengill is now pissed off.

So Operation Durka Durka?

Tony, it is estimated > 50 million Native Americans lived just in the US before the Europeans landed.

4-5 million remain.

Seems like 12 million is a small estimate to me.

I suspect you already know this stuff

Tek...

Not that I always have a problem with 'history' but...

There are 300+ million Americans and non-Americans living in the US today...many in heavily overpopulated cities with thousands of buildings stretching into the sky. I do have a problem swallowing that about 1/6 of our current population lived on the ground 400 years ago. In our history, numbers sometimes do become inflated.

But if what "skor" says is true...that there was a "genocide" of 12 million Native Americans, I have to wonder what the other 38 million were doing while 12 million of the brethren were being sytematically extermined by the settllers.

The numbers seem a tad high...one person's opinion.

Just call the mission Operation HonkeyCrackerRedneck. Nothing offends those guys.

Tony, remember Hitler's genocide against the Jews lasted less than a decade. The US genocide against the Indians lasted 300 years. Estimates of the actual Indian deaths from murder, disease and induced starvation range from 10 million to 114 million. America's nasty little secret we don't even admit to ourselves.

I would be PROUD if they called the mission Honkey/Cracker/Redneck, there was probably a honkey/cracker/redneck or two on team 6, and we honkey/cracker/rednecks need the advertising.

Just don't call me liberal or progressive, you'll offend me and those people:>)

8.8 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust.

And 250,000 Indians are ESTIMATED to be killed. Still a good portion of their population - but not nearly the same devastation - it WASN'T in the millions.

George...

Thanks for the history...if the numbers are a quarter of what you you've read, it's not a good thing. However i do admit to being dubious about numbers past and present.

I do remember reading about virulent diseases and quite a lot of that was written about resistance to diseases from one place to another. That diseases reduced to nothing due to built up resistance by one group of people, could still be plagues to other groups of people. The reference was to viruses and bacteria that the settlers brought with them to the Americas that were devastating to local populations that had not built up any bodily resistance against those viruss and bacteria. This happened in other parts of the world also as nations began to venture out. I guess that's what's called the 'natural' order of things...however I see no malice in the mix.

Physically exterminating and disposing of 12 million natives ??? Not sold on those numbers.

Bevy, 6 million Jews were exterminated by the Nazis, along with 5 million christians. 25% of my family were included. Also, 250,000 Indians were all that were left alive in 1900. Not sure where you get your numbers. Tony, once again the number is spread over 300 years of starving and murdering Indians. From the first settlement in Virginia in 1609 through to the 20th century Indians were considered at best second class citizens, at worst something to be stamped out. If you don't believe my numbers, just google it. You'll be shocked by what you see.

You probably know your facts....googling things is not my priority...too many places to look without knowing which show facts and which so phooey. I'd wager that different site's numbers would vary by millions and I don't care enough about what happened hundreds of years ago enough to make the effort.

What about the at least 30 million ethnic Chinese murdered and starved by the Japanese imperialists...?

Tony, the FACT is that all murder is murder. All genocides are horrible almost beyond belief. Jewish pain is not more than NA pain. It is not more than Chinese or Korean pain. Why do you feel a need to quantify it? Do you think that is what Native Americans are doing?

PS- Maybe googling things should become a priority. If you are concerned about the vast amounts of mis- and disinformation online, may I suggest comparative, qualitative study. When one gathers information from many sources, it begins to become clear; Truth versus falsehood...

Critical thinking helps also, but I hear it's not a big priority in the Amerikkkan Edge-a-mukaishun $hit-stem...

When Austin Powers says he is feeling "randy" do you get offended?? yeah baby...

Randy: ( Name of my oldest, btw.) Believe me, some of my rellies in Australia couldn't believe the name. To them it's NOT a noun, it's more of a "case of being 'randy.' " I.E. acting in a manner like a libertine, but not a proper name!

Free Willy has a totally different meaning in jolly old England.

Tells us what the Brits thought of Slick Willie doesn't it.

I love the "randy" jokes personally. It could be worse (like "Dick").

Then please move out.

"I have a feeling this was a set up and that they previously captured Osama, tortured him and then had to kill him when he would not talk."

You have to know that 2 billion muslims would say differently if things did not go as this happened and call the U.S. liars

So leave!

Ask the victims of 9/11 if the flames felt right. If you don't feel right and have not any respect- search for it elswhere.

Carol, I bet you're also a Birther. Jeesh. Get the hell out of the USA.

Thisn makes me LOl at such STUPID rhetoric!

This makes me SICK, I suppose there was no 9/11. It was faked so all those people would die. Even George W. was not that evil.

I'm not sure that Carol isn't on somewhat of the right track. There are many conflicting stories surfacing so it is hard to believe that everyone is telling the truth. I wouldn't trust Obama if he said the sky was blue, but hey, that's my right as American. Feel free top blast away on me. You've got rights too. Isn't it great?? Please do not leave America, Carol. You are entitled to your opinion and anyone who doesn't like it can choose not to read it or embrace it.

"I have no trust or respect for this country that is still called America."

The way Carol tallks I don't believe she is in America.

Carol: You can cover up a lot, but it is virtually impossible to have paid off all the close-in neighbors who are out & about the compound, talking to reporters & one who actually "Twitted" as it was going down. His timeline matches what our government gave us. That's getting pretty incredible to have been "fixed."

P.S. And no, I don't trust our government all the time.

What I want to know is............How can a DNA test that takes a minimum of 72 hours if done as an emergence rush test (5-7 days otherwise) be done in less than 24 hours and some say less than 8 hours?

Carol, by all means move if you don't like America we don't like you!!!!!

I been saying the samething since it hit the news just something doesnt feel right about it.

Mac

The military labs are a lot faster, especially when you set it up in advance. The operation planned DNA testing, they knew it would be an issue, and this had #1 priority.

They count on your disbelief. 9/11 was a false flag brought about by fascists to free them from public restraint. Hug your money fools.

Wait... where did they get the baseline sample for comparison? DNA testing isn't magic.

Realistically, they should have used, Sitting Duck

or Caaaveman, or Rocks for Brains

but they couldnt call him in Afghanistan because he was in Pakistan!!! LOL

That would be the vocally-challenged.

Everyone has a valid opinion - not.

I think discrimination will come into the picture that he was shot on the left side of the head instead of the right, or in the middle. They will say the shooter was politically from the right, so he shot him in the left side of the head to make a political statement.

Im not sure what argument the Teabaggers will use, but it should be a doozy.

ad, you might not have been offended. But some Mexicans or Mexican descent people would have. I agree that some people look for excuses to be offended. It gets them attention.

ad, you might not have been offended. But some Mexicans or Mexican descent people would have.

Especially members of La Raza.

I absolutely DESPISE when non-white people do this!

"I'm black and I wasn't offended by the pic of the White House Lawn with a watermelon patch"

"I'm a Native and I wasn't offended by likening a terrorist to a Native American hero that fought against expansionism, imperialism, and terrorism"

"I'm Arab and I wasn't offended by people degrading the religion of me and most of my family"

"I'm Asian and I wasn't offended by the girl who made the youtube video about Japanese people in the library at UCLA during the EarthQuake"

white people who do/say racist things can always count on a nonwhite person coming along to make them feel better about their imperialist and racist mindset.

This is completely unacceptable. Thomas Jefferson raped Children, maybe he should be considered a terrorist.

Andrew Jackson repeatedly broke peace treaties...

maybe he should be considered a terrorist.

Tek, I had to read your post twice and I think your calling me an apologist for racist white people because I won't get offended. If that's what you were trying to say then maybe you should be a little more prouder of who you are as a person and grow some thicker skin. I'm confident in myself, my ability and with my ethnicity, and NO one get under my skin with any racist comment or opinion. But don't misunderstand me, I'm no pushover. Words are meaningless but don't push too far cause then you will get a reaction!

I'm offended by Tek. Being offended is a choice.

Tek I agree with you 100%. It's like they are trying so hard to fit it. Please white people, don't lump me in with my race, you can poke fun and ridicule and it doesn't bother me. See I'm laughing with you at them. Not offended at all by your racist, insensitive remarks. Dumba$$es

Your comment made me think of the Apaches who were the "Code Talkers" of WW2 as Marines in the S. Pacific. What courage, persistence & their code ( language) was NEVER broken by the Japanese.

So, American Indians have a proud heritage in keeping our country free. They SHOULD be proud the most important military exercise since WW2 was a tribute to their resolute courage.

Almost forgot Ira Hayes raising the flag on Iwo Jima.

I meant to say, "Navaho." Mea Culpa!

Wrong tribe Bevis. And boy, your name brings a grin to my face.

Navajo! Butthead.

The WW2 code talkers were recruited from the Navajo Tribes of Northern Arizona & New Mexico. The chiricaua apache tribe no longer exists having been destroyed, integrated at the conclusion of the south west indian wars. The white mountain apache still remain in the eastern portions of Arizona. So officially there are no chiricaua apache left to complain.

The code talkers were just one instance. Native Americans have served proudly defending our freedom for a long time.

I think I'd prefer Joker or Lex Luther. =)

no kidding! next they will probably sue.

Would you have been offended if they used the code name "George W." instead of Geronimo?

AMEN!!! I can track my family history and do know for a fact that there is some Cherokee blood in our family. I am absolutely not the least bit offended and have no patience for all of the 'touchiness' that has become so prevelant in our socieity. "Boo Hoo, you hurt my sensitive feelings - I think I'll sue." Get a life people!!! It was not intended as a slam and it wasn't a slam at anyone. Native Americans, please worry about something that really matters - like education, drug and alcohol counseling/intervention, eliminating poverty in the tribes, etc. etc.

I completely agree. We have major issues in our country that we need to focus on. Instead of looking for ways to be offended, how about we unite to find resolve on healthcare? Instead of looking for ways to be offended, how about we unite fight poverty and homelessness? Instead of looking for ways to be offended, how about we prepare our economy for our servicemembers when they return home?

Come to think about it, is this the same group that filed a complaint against the Washington Redskins and the Atlanta Braves?

Think anybody would have been offended if they had said the 'towel head' or the 'sand ni@@er' is dead?

There are some words / phrases that have been deamed inappropriate - by the world! To my knowledge, no one has ever mentioned any heartache / disdain over "Geronimo".

Let's just face it, everyone is looking to have their face seen / voice heard. Why can't we as Americans be relieved the number terrorist on our watchlist has been brought to justice? It doesn't matter if they called him Geronimo or Do-lomite, I am relieved.

No Cynic, not at all. I kinda like Operation Terelyn, personally.

You guys are delusional. Whites slaughter > 40 million people and you're talking about they're "looking for ways to be offended". I think they have as much right as anyone to be the least bit offended that they're likening someone they claim is a "terrorist" to Geronimo, someone who stood up against the terrorists in America...the white ones.

I couldn't agree more....I was instantly angry when I read the headlines! The blame game gets old real quick when it is everywhere and everytime you turn around someone or group has to cry foul! When will it ever end....?

YES YOU ARE CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if is not one thing is the other the important thing is that a killer of inocent citizens on our Nations Capitol and our great city of New York finnally got what he deserve. God Bless America have they check bother to check how many of the inocent people have cherokee blood!!!!!!

Techknowledge, Are you F-ing kidding? This is some of the most absurd sh!t Ive read in awhile.

did or did not 50 million American Indians live in the United States before the invasion?

do only 4 million American Indians live here now?

I don't think the Native Americans have to look for anything to be offended.

Tek

So there was NEVER any Native Americans violating other Native Americans?

Hard to believe in a time where lifting hair was an acceptable coup.

@Terelyn: I thought the same as you. For corn sakes people look to get offended over anything. Well if they really want to get technical, Geronimo (Jeronimo-Hair oh nee moe) is Spanish for the name "Jerome" which in turn comes from Latin/Greek Hieronymus. You would think Apaches would have names like swift fox or whistling wind but since they were under Spanish domination for centuries, they took Spanish names. So should Spanish men named Geronimo be offended and insulted too? Should the Latin/Greek churches be offended since there's a St. Jerome?

I thought most native americans drank themselves to death.

Tek...12 million and over the course of 300 years. Different time and different mind set. I would like to think we have grown as a society and this will not happen here again.

"Good Grief" was an honorable statement by our beloved american fictional youth, Charlie Brown. As a fellow bald-headed american, I am offended that you would hijack this phrase in connection with a thread on terrorists.

The 1st scalping was done by Europeans so that Indian hair could be taken back to Europe. Indians did not start the practice of scalping. You have been watching too many movies and not reading enough books... but that is the problem with most Americans... being spoon fed history, politics, & news. Pick up a book, read and learn!

"Tek...12 million and over the course of 300 years. Different time and different mind set. I would like to think we have grown as a society and this will not happen here again."

What exactly has changed about the mindset of European Americans, or Europeans in general (not all, but in mass)? Can you provide proof of any social improvement that has been done in the united States that was simply out of concern for other human beings?

And please don't reguritate that bs your history books told you about MLK or "Racist Abe"

Saying that tribes attacked other tribes does not justify using the name Geronimo. My god people, American Indians make up .1% of the population does that make you feel like a Proud People. 5chitting on a race of people who have done nothing different than what the US has done defending itself against an aggressor? Countries stand up for Israelis but NO one stands up for the American Indians. They got no help during Katrina. They have been the United States greatest Allie along with Australia and Canada. The Cherokee helped to save Andrew Jackson's life fought along side Americans during the Revolutionary War helped in the defeat of Japan with our Navajo Code Talkers and serve as fair and objective judges in trials against crimes in the military. And whether the US government knows it half-breeds helped to build the atomic bomb that ended WW II and were Navy Generals. They have hidden their culture to appease the US government and been their greatest supporter. And suffered along with the victims of 9/11 and this is the thanks they get? NICE people! I don't expect every busy US citizen rattle of all tribes and their contributions to this countries history. But to at least give these people the respect that they deserve. Its given to every other culture in this country. And it is their country of origin.

And if I hear one more schpeel about that damn ice bridge! That was pre historia....but what ever propoganda you have to rattle off to make your cold hateful hearts feel better.

Fought for the Union in the Civil War....sheesh geronimo bin laden....nice...real nice. THANKS. >:-p

Geronimo was a terrorist. He was an enemy of the United States. He led attacks against US soldiers and US property. No real American patriot would call him a hero.

Jager Dean...What in the world did you learn in your American History classes. Geronimo was not a terrorist. If you are choosing terminology then maybe freedom fighter, insurgent as a worst case modifier.

Even as an enemy to the Unites States military authority and settlers in his region he was respected and he lead his people with honor and dignity. He was a mighty and brave warrior even though he was not fighting for America he was fighting for a very real purpose. The United States even acknowledged this by offering him comfort and some measure of freedom in later years although he did have to suffer the sadness of never being allowed to return to his home lands. This is the American legacy of dealing with dignity when dignity is deserved.

txmom People are currently saying the same about OBL in the mideast, doesn't make it so!?!

H2OMAN...let's not be slanted about this...People around the world are probably saying the same about OBL but we can't very well hand out the Thorazine to all the crazies who think he was anything more than a very disturbed man.

OBL wished to tear the ME, apart because of his dissatisfaction with the Saudi Royal Family, that is not the same as what Geronimo did in protecting the lands his people lived on and hunted at all. Geronimo did not cross continents and Oceans to wreck havoc on America. Bin Laden did. Geronimo often lead his braves into battle. OBL sat his happy A$$ in luxury accommodations while mindless drones blew themselves and their countrymen up at his request.

Osama Bin Laden in the end proved to be quite the coward lazing in luxury. Geronimo was never a coward. OBL never deserved the honor of being placed on a US military vessel for a proper burial.

They should have autopsied the body and when the world was satisfied that he is indeed dead chucked his remains out of a black hawk over the Atlantic, without a word spoken.

Even as an enemy to the Unites States military authority and settlers in his region he was respected and he lead his people with honor and dignity. He was a mighty and brave warrior even though he was not fighting for America he was fighting for

SO how come I can't find a GERONIMO liscense plate down at my local DMV Office

I find it fascinating that so many of you on here are staunch supporters of the right to bear arms, and have said or thought at one time that if someone broke in to your home and stole from you of killed your loved ones that you would not hesitate to shoot and kill the intruder. Geronimo, although this was not his real name, but a name given to him by the Mexicans, was only trying to stop Mexico and the United states from taking more of the Apaches land. DId he not have a right to try to protect that. DOes it make him a terrorist for trying to protect his land and his family.

key....Same could be said of Osama Bin Laden. Him big medicine make war with U.S. Great warrior for Islam.......One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. It's your personal perspective that makes the distinction.

T. Fargo, awesome.

T. Fargo - absolutely GREAT response! Hope you don't mind if we all use your clever wording in the future? Sadly, we all know it will be needed!

The "Skull and Bones Society" is pentatively watching.

trying to sanitize this jumbo-sized gaffe is a bunch of bull

I think the planners of the mission were probably focused on getting in and out without the loss of life. Now the Monday morning quarterbacks come in and scream about the code name. This must be the most successful mission ever if the only complaints are about an improper burial and the code name.

People are way too senstive about words. Luckily for you Congress is going to spend a few million to have a hearing on the code name.

courser

the way you describe the similarities, I now think it is not appropriate. The use of the name "Geronimo" was way to flattering for the likes of bin Laden. It is almost like heaping on respect for that piece of chit.

courser

The Apache Helicopter is a gun ship (read no parachutes), there will be no jumping, the blades get in the way!

The apache attack helicopter carries a two man crew of pilot and gunner, it has no area for the transport of personnel or equipment. The blackhawk helicopter is the utility transport used for insertion of men today.

You might check your facts no one repelled or jumped one crashed

the other one landed. The name was used for the target not the operation

name or the charge to him. Keep trying to make it sound great

it is obvious it is important to make it be so spot on for them to have used

the name of the most heroic Native American to identify a terrorist

with a 25 million dollar bounty on his head.