Great. Time for everyone to take credit. However, those with their ear to the ground have been close to this guy for a long time. The true hero - the team at the CIA. Same group of people, regardless of which President or Agency head.
Burn in hell Binny. God Bless America. And from a vet and New Yorker. God bless all the brave soldiers of the military who sacrificed so much. A US bomb was the fitting end. Burn in hell
So you thought you untouchable??? Really??? My thanks to those soldiers who accomplished this monumental task!!! Now go meet your REAL maker and he has a few words for you before he sends you VERY south of heaven.
This is truely good news...thats one in the win column for Obama...to all those who deserve the credit good job....I hope they get that tele-prompter fixed soon
He can't burn in hell.. Hell doesn't exist. But death is good enough. Now he's just renewable energy lol. Turn em into fuel for American cars or something ;)
Don't go jumping for joy yet either. While this is big, don't think for a second that Osama has been more than a symbol since the 9/11 attack when was striped of his money and that was his real authority in Al Quada.
While I hope this helps diminish the fundamentalist Muslims I can't help but wonder if, Osama now being a martyr, there will be backlash. I think it would be wise that no one wave the victory flag. This isn't so movie where the lead bad guy dies and the rest drop their guns and go home.
if you believe in hell then you must believe in god. . . do you really think that you god is happy that one of his children has been killed and will burn in hell???
Cudos to our military, but I really hope that Obama doesn't try to manipulate this success into every campaign speach the way Bush prostituted the 9/11 attacks.
This is a significant win for us, but fighting al-Qaeda is like fighting the drug lords. Someone will just step up to take his place now that he's out. We still have to be vigilant, and we can't pretend like we've won the war.
We got him!...Thank you mr. President!....you said we will kill him on your watch!!...You will go down as one of the greatest COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF'S IN U.S. HISTORY!........THANK GOD!.....
Just think if we would of caved into the demands of the liberals that infest newsvine he still would be alive today. So now what liberals? you gonna finally put your big boy pants on and admit you need the U.S. Military? Or are you still gonna demand to bring everyone home to fulfill your feel good programs?
happy2008 is right. Oh wait though, the republicans will come up with something about this win to make Obama look bad. They just cant stand the fact that Obama is actually fixing things while Bush destroyed them.
Sad thing is that terrorism is like roaches. You kill one, and more will take its place.
Nice to know that this administration never took its focus on the main goal. Kill Bin Laden. Unlike Bush who already was planning on Iraq before finishing Afghanistan.
THIS President gave the green-light...to keep attacking in Pakistan.....he deserves to take credit for the hit & death of this monster who attack our country, as well as giving the green-light to the C.I.A. & our brave young men & women of the military......this President KEEPS HIS WORD!!......AN HISTORIC TIME IN OUR NATION!
Can i ask how this is a win for obama? the idiot had nothing to do with Binny getting found. Bama only wants to talk about getting rid war and getting out of Iraq and Afganistan. If it were up to him Binny would still be running free making more and more plans. Congrats on a job well done U.S. army and all of the U.S. military for making @!$%# happen and finishing a job to keep us safe. None of this goes to Bama. All of it goes to those who have been over there and done exactly what was asked of them. God Bless The USA.
Grow up, FUWF... An order like this can only come from the top. The VERY top. Maybe if you teabaggers had cared about hunting Bin Laden back in 2001-2008 you'd have been able to give Bush credit.
The next trick is to ensure that Osama does NOT become some sort of martyr. An unmarked grave in Diego Garcia would be appropriate. Beyond that I hope he burns in hell.
I have to agree with all above that this is a tribute to our military and intelligence communities. Neither POTUS can really take credit. This was a military action and they were in complete control.
But this is really not so significant to America. It is much more important to Europe and mostly to the Countries with tribal regions. It shows that we go after what we say and get it even in their own backyard. No matter who protects him.
Now we need to do the same to all the other radical terrorist's. There should be no trial, no negotiations, no give just death. May they all die and rot in hell. And for the Arabs that have supported him, I hope they have their day also!
So what shrubboy and the neocons couldn't do in 8 years, Pres. Obama accomplished in 2 1/2.
Of course, a LIVE Bin Laden was good as a boogie man to take out during elections, so maybe that had a lot to do with repub unwillingness to really try and catch him.
And, once again it takes a Democratic politician to clean up a repub mess,
like it or not, this is a Victory for America and the leader of America is Barrack Hussein Obama and he, NOT bush brought the focus back to where it should have been from the get-go !!
Congrats to the Commander of ALL US Armed Forces President Barrack Hussein Obama and the Men and Women in uniform who serve under HIS LEADERSHIP !!
A HUGE THANK YOU to our military, who have sacrificed, died, suffered, and worked hard, to fight people like Osama Bin Laden. YOU are the ones we thank. YOU are the ones who deserve ALL CREDIT. Thank our military for bringing due justice for those lost on 9/11 and all the victims around the world who suffered from his commands.
To those here on Newsvine that have ranted and raved that Afghanistan is George Bush's war, he finally got his man. After all, it wasn't Obamas' war.
The credit goes to the troops and CIA that got the job done. G.W. said we'd hunt him to the ends of the Earth. I hope they dress him as a woman and cover him in pig's blood then creamate him and flush his ashes down a NYC toilet.
I hope it was a US soldier sniper that got him, if so he should be given the Medal Of Honor and the Medal Of Freedom.
Congratulations to CIA and the military! Sing it Toby Keith.... "we'll put a boot in your a$$!!!!"
I'll hold my comments for Peter Jennings.... r.i.p.
Now if that idiot Holder doesn't charge someone with forgetting to identify themselves or read miranda rights before shooting. And I hope to heck they don't have him on a phone camera asking for a lawyer....
If you are one of those who praised Bush and his Admin. for "keeping us safe" after 9/11, then it's time for you to give it up for Obama for "accomplishing the mission".
It was okay for you to praise Bush/Cheney, when it wasn't even their lives on the line or any personal effort made by them to fight terrorism.
Now you can praise Obama(yes I know our guys/gals in the field made it possible, and deserve the real credit).
I love how all the good posts are being collapsed by the community.. It seems the minority is a bit pissed off and feels they need to do the Youtube vote to collapse other people's posts.. Isn't that against the COH? Truth hurts I guess ;)
We would have got that Evil Bastard sooner if it wasn't for Bush got us stuck in Iraq for nothing. We should gone to Pakistan where Osama is hiding not Iraq, stupid Bush was pupet of Cheney.
Obama's speech was fabulous. He gave me all the details I wanted to know.
Osama Bin Laden is dead. I love repeating that.
I was so glad the President reminded everyone of the human loss from that day and how flight 93 passengers saved us.
And President Obama closed his wonderful speech with part of our Pledge of Allegiance - ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MAY GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
To all you sick people on here trying to input "Politics" into this story you are very sad indeed.
Thank you to our military to all the families that have lost sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, thank you for your sacrifice and l know nothing will ever bring back your loved ones but maybe just maybe this might ease your pain even in the slightest.
There is no room for politics here, this fight has gone on for almost three presidential terms and many people have had a say in what has happened. We have lost so much over the past ten years and we even lost sight of why we were there in the first place. Thank you to Bush, Obama, and all our leaders who have had a hand in this. But first and foremost to our military.
To everyone who lost someone on 9/11 may this bring some closure and in some way help you to move on with your lives. I know you will never be the same but maybe this will help you move on. God bless.
God bless America. May this be a uniting point in our history. Lets start rebuilding our country, mending our fences with our neighbors, talk with sincerity about what we need to do to bring us back to our previous glory.
I don't think so. Remember, George Bush started this whole thing. Obama only worked on it for 3 years.
I completely agree with you David in 1.78 - particularly what I repost below:
Thank you to Bush, Obama, and all our leaders who have had a hand in this. But first and foremost to our military.
To everyone who lost someone on 9/11 may this bring some closure and in some way help you to move on with your lives. I know you will never be the same but maybe this will help you move on. God bless.
God bless America. May this be a uniting point in our history
I just watched the President's speech. He almost looked like he was in campaign mode. I did like the part where our guys went in and shot Bin Laden. I did not want to go through watching a prolonged expensive trial.
I have a feeling that they had an inside person at the mansion. Probably the one who tipped them off that Osama used the mansion as a safehouse time to time. They probably had been moving him around underground railroad style. All they had to do was wait till he showed up and the insider reported to intel contacts that he was verified there.
It is most intriguing to me that almost all the posts which give any credit to Obama have been closed. How strangely one-sided that makes these comments!
As someone stated before, we shouldn't be liberals or conservatives, Democrats or Republicans at this time, let us all be AMERICANS.
Much, much credit is due to the troops, special forces, CIA, and others. It is true that Obama is due some of the credit, too. He is, after all, the Commander in Chief of our armed forces.
LOTS of credit to go around to everyone--let's celebrate!
We don't need to put down anyone here. Why not just lift up our country joyfully!
Bush's mission was accomplished when he got Saddam. That was the guy who put out the hit on Bush Sr.. This was a personal war and that shows real power to get everyone to follow.
I hope this wonderful news serve to united the country. It is time for everybody to give credit to our great President and stop this no sense racial sentiment. He is American as well all of us and he did his job has he promised to all of us. Stop being negative and fight for a more positive attitude.
Well done Mr. President Barack Obama!! We all Americans.
As I expected Obama is taking credit as if he actually had something to do with it. I love how in his speech he acted as if HE agreed with the war..when in all actuality all he did was spend his 2 years on the campaign trail denouncing it, our military and GWB. Now the sleaz ball is trying to take credit for all the work that was done by the boys on the ground and the years and years of work put in while he sat in his comfy office...doing community organizing and denouncing america. Then he goes on his 'apology tour' his wife states she was NEVER proud of America before he was elected and now he is going to stand up there and act as if he didn't make speech after speech denouncing the war, the military and the President.
AL from NORCAL-remember who began this war end of story he is just trying to reap the benefits from it. Anyone with any level of memory at all will remember very clearly that Obama denounced the war and this country.....and he should have given credit to the boys on the ground and not taken credit for the work himself....now he just looks like a 'scene stealer'.
TkWi-Where do you supposed much of BinLaden's money was being funneled through...duh..Iraq. Cut off the money and they have difficulty planning anything big again...notice that after our boys went to Iraq and Sadam was ousted..no other large plots came about or were even planned.....
People will remember that Obama in fact did nothing to bring this about...our military men and women did this and should be given ALL of the credit...something that Obama neglected to point out. A good President would have began his speech giving credit to them instead of taking up the spotlight.
This is a win for the U.S. intelligence community, not for bush nor obama.
Exactly. It isn't likely ANY president (or other political office) would have known about this until it was over; the people responsible for this tend to operate under everyone's grid.
Karen in Los Angeles, I agree with what you said. President Obama's speech was fabulous. President Obama's speech gave us all we needed to know. He was very intelligent with his choice of words. Hands down, Obama is one of the best speakers ever to exist. This is such a major day and development. David, your post was excellent. Everything that I feel about this matter, you perfectly captured. Basically, I just ditto everything that you said. Thanks to the military, their families, the U.S. Government, etc.
Three cheers for the military, a cheer to the president for commanding the military action, and an ear piercing cheer to the friends and families that lost loved ones on 9/11.
On a side note: If the president did not issue the attack, who did? You may cheer the military for this accomplishment however, you must know that the president leads the military and is in charge of it. Saying the president had nothing to do with it is like saying the house you live in is a result of carpenters and not the developer. It takes them all, had the president not acted, the military would not have acted.
Does your hate for the president over-ride your common sense?
You displayed four paragraphs of your ignorance and pettiness. President Obama said during his campaign that Afghanistan was "the right war" and Iraq was "stupid". After becoming president he wound down the war in Iraq and escalated Afghanistan. George W. Bush stated several times that Bin Laden was not a priority. Obama decided that bin Laden was the "#1 priority" in the war on terror. He authorized the mission and the mission succeeded. In his speech he gave credit to the CIA, the military and even to W.
It's not surprising that people like you will still criticize because that is who you are and you can't help yourself. Tonight you appear to be very small and petty.
Karen in Los Angeles
It's true that W spent more time overseeing Afghanistan operations but he clearly stated that bin Laden was "not a priority." President Obama made bin Laden his highest priority target in the war on terrorism. He has stepped up operations along the Pakistan border, he authorized this mission and the mission was accomplished.
I guess he's the one who really has a right to say "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED." Right?
Obama is the COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, therefore is the leader of the military, and is the only one able to give the order, so YES, this is a victory for Obama, but also everyone involved!
This started under Bush and ten years later it was finished under Obama. To those who lost loved ones as a result of 9-11 and the ensuing wars, may this bring some peace to your life that their lives were not lost in vain. To the military, all branches, congratulations and thank-you for your service and sacrifice. Perhaps now the United States Military can wind down operations and come home. We love and miss you.
Why is this comment and any replies to it collapsed? Silly people.
Stop the sophmoric, partisan crap. This is a new national holiday people. Give kuddos to the Special Forces that pulled this off, stop pi$$ing in each other's corn flakes and enjoy the damned moment.
Congrats to all! This should be a victory shared by all, regardless of political affiliation. The next person to post some nonsense about how great Obama is will be crowned the biggest douche on Newsvine. I appreciate our President's great words tonight, he did well.
You really should not make post that show you have no knowledge of what is happening in the world. President Obama is the one who said we should not have started a war in Iraq and concentrated on getting bin Laden. Absolutely nothing you said is the truth. It sounds like you went to school at Fox News.
LOL now they collapsed the first comment so they could collapse all the posts under it. Sounds like a group of people are a bit wounded with this news. ;)
It's way past time to leave. However, I'm skeptical. This SOB has been dead for years. Sorry, but I don't believe one thing our government says. We've been lied to for years and now they're going to start telling the truth? Bullsh!t.
I know i will get collapsed but I want everyone to know that Obama was against us being there and i want to congratulate bush for this victory of killing this bastard. it was he goal to talk him down that led to this. as a former military member that served in Iraq i would like to say that it was bush's words that gave the American people hope that justice would be served. i wanted a kick a$$ speech saying we got the bastard instead we got some soppy freaking speech from Obama. as a patriot i wanted a Toby Keith speech that we put a boot in their a$$ cause it’s the American way.
We knew how Osama Bin Laden thought and did things.
Now, we have to figure out how Al Zawahiri thinks and does things.
This is not over yet. We have been here for years up in the mountains (Pamir) and will be up here for more years conducting US Military Asymmetric Warfare.
This is good news. There is more work to do. This cancer may have suffered a big defeat, but it is not gone yet. To have such a fortified compound so well established in Islamabad for essentially a figurehead means we need quickly find one or two more for the second and third in command.
I posted this again for all of the haters who collapsed it the first time. Go ahead and collapse it again. I'll just repost it.
If you are one of those who praised Bush and his Admin. for "keeping us safe" after 9/11, then it's time for you to give it up for Obama for "accomplishing the mission".
It was okay for you to praise Bush/Cheney, when it wasn't even their lives on the line or any personal effort made by them to fight terrorism.
Now you can praise Obama(yes I know our guys/gals in the field made it possible, and deserve the real credit).
Obama put the focus on Pakistan. Many said he was walking a fine line by allowing more drone strikes and covert ops into Pakistan. It looks like it paid off.
Give credit where it's due. If not for Obama, those he chose to lead the agencies/military branches involved, and the covert units, Bin Laden probably woudn't have been killed.
Obama probably deserves a little credit for putting political pressure on Pakistani leaders, to allow us to go in and kill Bin Laden.
Do you think Obama makes us look weak now?
No doubt those who hate Obama, will still refuse to give him any credit.
American Lobo - yes I know our guys/gals in the field made it possible, and deserve the real credit.
Once again all the information will get locked up in a Classified Vault (again), as to who did what, where, when.
If you read my previous Newsvine posts then you know where we are, while conducting US Military Asymmetric Mountain Warfare. (you think it is very easy to send someone from near sea level to about 10,000 feet above sea level with no Mountain Warfare Training at the Pamir.).
As far as who put me in Command that happened long before Bush or Obama. Hint: Firefights do occur while conducting Reconnaissance and you are discovered, and of course your "Overwatch" (Snipers) will take out as many enemy targets to cover you.
When the Reconaissance mission is discovered, we have found that instead of a Retrograde (Retreat) we Redacted Redacted Redacted Redacted Redacted. Our intelligence gained while performing the Reconaissance then becomes Actionable Intelligence for our Direct Action (Offensive).
A few weeks ago we eliminated Osama Bin Laden's New #3 Operations Officer, Redacted Redacted Redacted. As not announced by censored US News Media but stated on Arabic Al Jazeera.
We now have to realign ourselves as to counter how the new #1 of Al Quada International Franchise, Al Zawahiri, thinks and does things.
What is with you people? Who cares about politics the evil bastard is dead, raise a glass and have a toast to our military men and women for their service. By the way Bush was damned either way if he didn't act people would have called him a coward and when he did they called him a murderer he chose not to let terrorists get away with murdering our people. Yes the war got side tracked and it was costly and mistakes were made along the way but maybe finally we can take a breath. Btw that was an amazing speech Obama gave maybe if some of you had listened he asked for us to put aside our differences and become united again. No matter your political beliefs we're all Americans and whether you want it or like it Al Quada declared war on us. This is a day to celebrate and to reflect and hopefully get things back on track...
Blah_47 - What is with you people? Who cares about politics the evil bastard is dead
We now have to realign ourselves as to counter how the new #1 of Al Quada International Franchise, Al Zawahiri, thinks and does things. To counter his Actions.
Blah_47 - Yes the war got side tracked and it was costly and mistakes were made along the way but maybe finally we can take a breath.
US Law, 1998 H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act", aka "the Overthrow Law". After this US Law Failed, the US Senate added the 2002 Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution to use the US Military as the final solution to Overthrow President Hussein. I previously posted on Newsvine (topic Iraq) the reasons for the demanded US Overthrow of President Hussein.
We (US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces) cannot take a breath now, as the 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers are going to consider OBL (Osama Bin Laden) a Martyr per the Holy Koran (Quran) during the 109 Suras of the 114 Suras that Call All Islamic Believers to War Against the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers (everyone else).
Blah_47- No matter your political beliefs we're all Americans and whether you want it or like it Al Quada declared war on us.
It is not only Al Quada that declared war on us (Christians, Jews, Unbelievers (everyone else). I previously listed the composition (Command, Control, Coordination, Communications, Intelligence (C4I)) of the: Worldwide Islamic Military and the Worldwide Islamic Law Enforcement as supported by the 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers thru Mandatory Islamic Tithes.
As a Clarification to posts #1.123 and 1.124. After the Reconaissance Mission (Crediable Deniability US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces conducting Reconaissance Mission at Pakistan) went FUBAR (F**ked Up Beyond All Reason) and became a Direct Action. The Chain of Command was notified as to who, enemy personnel, were eliminated after the fact, President Obama being the last to be notified as to the "Target(s) of Opportunity" eliminated (still pending DNA confirmation). Didn't you wonder who would know how to treat the corpse in accordance with current Islamic Laws.
You celebrate, eat a big fat roast pork barbecue sandwich and drink a few beers (both Illegal here (Afghanistan)) for my men, women and myself. That is what we are going to do after years of consecutive tours (if we get out of here prior to 2015).
"I don't think so. Remember, George Bush started this whole thing. Obama only worked on it for 3 years."
Karen in LA,
Actually? Bush took the focus off of Afghanistan and needlessly diverted attention and resources away from there and over to Iraq. Most of us remember that, even if you don't.
And so, I will repeat. The Republicans are TOAST in 2012!!!!
Al from NorCal - Actually? Bush took the focus off of Afghanistan and needlessly diverted attention and resources away from there and over to Iraq.
Nope. US Law 1998 H.R. 4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act".
And FYI, sending more US Military Conventional Warfare Forces to an Asymmetric War (Afghanistan) is counter productive. As not to overstep my boundaries, research Asymmetric Warfare versus Conventional Warfare as to why Conventional Warfare Forces Historically always Fail.
NOTE: "Newsvine is the place to get Smarter", not post uninformed uneducated non factual opinions.
(Sarcasm) What I really love is the hypocritical "Democratic Rights" while most on Newsvine have turned Newsvine into a popularity contest of non factual opinions (votes) and Censorship as "Collapsed by the Community". The one discriptive word is Hypocrites (regardless of Political Party, Repugnants, Demoncraps, In Depends (Adult Diapers)).
I'll gladly confess. I'm not a graduate of West Point, Sandhurst, or any other military academy. I'm only an amateur history buff, so I'll gladly defer to your expertize in military tactics. Having said that, I'd like to ask you a question. Why has every single commander in Afghanistan, consistently requested more and more troops? Could it be that you're more proficient in and have more knowledge of military tactics, than any of them? Because if that's really the that case? I only wish I was there in person to have the privilege of shaking your hand.
I am glad that he is gone. Many thousands of innocent people have died as a result of his actions and influence and the lives of many more will carry scars both physical and emotional with them for the rest of their lives. Hope his death will close this terrible chapter in our recent history for good.
This is of course good news. What is significant is how we did it. No drone strikes or cruise missiles. Great job by our special forces. Great job by the President and choosing this way to get it done.
This has to be bad news for the Pakistan government. A lot of people obviously knew what was going on in this enormous compound. The President gave them credit for a tip, but I believe that was just being nice. Maybe someone in their government actually did provide some tip, but you have to ask why Pakistan's government didn't act. They have just lost any credibility they had and any future complaints they have about any of our actions there, have just lost any meaning whatsoever.
It would be nice to say that this ends things, but of course that would be wishful thinking. In fact, it's quite likely that this will trigger some attempted retaliation in the short term. What does appear positive though is that virtually all major governments are so far seeing this as a positive development. Even some in the Arab world.
It may take days for all this to settle in and who really knows where it will go. But, in a lot of respects, the timing is right for this to be a very positive thing. With a huge portion of the Arab world now seeking more democratic styles of government and protesting against leadership by strong arm tactics, maybe this will be an opportunity to reject getting attention through terrorist tactics. Maybe I'm being a bit optimistic, but I think that this happening today, has significantly different implications than it would have a year ago. Time will tell.
Kudos to all involved including the CIA and the US military with it's truly remarkable capabilities and dedicated individuals. Kudos also to our Commander in Chief for giving the go ahead for this daring mission. It would have been so easy to just level this compound from afar. But this is much more decisive, even if the results would have been the same.
Good riddance to that despicable wretch. Good that they buried him at sea; poses less of a lightning rod for muslim extremists to use to incite further violence, particularly against US interests. Also no grave for him to be worshiped at. I pray that this may mark the beginning of the end of Islamist terrorism, however unlikely.
I don't understand why people are so quick to believe that he is really dead, when we killed sadam we witnessed it. Where is the pic to prove that he is dead. They burried his body at see, BS. I will believe it when I see it.
The only pic I saw was a pic that was put out on the web before and proven to be a fake.
mygirl, when you hear a number from the media that doesn't sound right, it's probably not. Either way it's not good, but there were not 47,000 dead. That is a ridiculous overstatement. That number is 47,000 killed or wounded. The actual coalition casualties were only about 15% of that grossly inflated number.
I don't care whose "watch" it happened on, just glad he is dead.
I do wish they had fed osama's corpse to pigs, shot them afterwards, and buried them in one grave.
Photos/video of his dead ass would have been nice. Anyone remember how it was done with saddam's boys?
Now, take this the wrong way if you wish but I think it is carelessly disrespectful to credit obama with this great news. First, giving credit to someone who has never done any of the "dirty work" is ludicrous. obama has never done any of the "dirty work" that this sort of success requires. obama never served in the military at any time. Credit should go to every intelligence worker, every soldier, sailor, airmen, and marine. Never forget the war dead that gave their lives for this country. Has obama ever put himself in harm's way for this country? No.
Obama alone okayed the risky and controversial operations in Pakistan. This as an extension to Bush setting up the original operations to hunt down Bin Laden. Both deserve credit.
They, the military, the CIA, and WE deserve credit and the relief of knowing that it is finally done.
Where is the proof of death? They dumped his ass in the ocean, like we give a rats ass what his muslim custom for burial is? He deserves as much respect as he gave. May he burn in hell forever and realize that he was so foolish for believing his false god allah and the virgins are not coming!
I think my restoring finger is going to be really tired by the end of the day. Lots of comments restored, not stuff like this:
So now what liberals? you gonna finally put your big boy pants on
you teabaggers
JonMavrick, Toasty McGrath, everyone else, obviously there's a lot of reactions to be had and some of it's political, but keep the petty slapfighting somewhere else. First rule.
fedupwiththefed,......YOU are the one with "deluded memories".
Obama campaigned on taking troops out of IRAQ and INCREASING troops in AFGHANISTAN were the REAL war was being fought.
Obama fulfilled that promise.
And Karen in LA.....sure Bush started it and Obama only worked on it for 2 1/2 years. So lets see...after 8 years Bush got nothing done, and Obama accomplished it in 2 1/2. I do beleive that makes OBAMA look FAAAAAAAAAR more competent.
fed, while I am GLAD the b-stard is dead - we don't need to inflame the Muslims any more than necessary.
I support the burial at sea to prevent any grave site from becoming a shrine.
Gawd, even proof positive DNA ain't gonna satisfy you! Take your hatred of PRESIDENT OBAMA and shove it.
I will give Obama at least some credit for this. He gave the order to go after him as CIC. The bulk of the credit does belong to the brave troops who actually did the deed! They are the true heroes!
Osama bin Ladin didn't fly the planes into the WTC but he sure got the credit for ordering it.
OTHER LOSERS are the radicals in this country who think only one party is responsible for killing Bin Laden. You can just see their veins popping out of their face as they either rage to criticize Obama or slap themseves silly to praise the President.
Of course, from the President down to the special ops teams, there were actually Democratics and Republicans, thinking conservatives and liberals responsible, and who can take credit no matter what morons say. And its been that way, no matter what. Thanks to anyone involved.
Haters can move to Pakistan. I hear they need new As*h*les to hide.
I will give credit to the president for this operation, good job. Now if he could do the same type of actions for the rest of his presidency we would not be at the verge of bankruptcy, our respect lost around the world, and our credit rating diving so soon we will have to borrow at the same rate as Greece.
Give him credit, but do not re-elect, our country can not stand another four years of Him and his supporters without falling.
Vote George Washington, he may not do anything, but nothing is much better then what this administration has done!
Oh, and for you that want to yell about respect for the presidency, I gave the same respect to him that he gave to his predecessor, who by the way was not much better.
The reasons for burying his body at sea are specious. I don't suggest that it be placed on gruesome display but it would have been more appropriate to bring the body stateside for forensics and a group of respected medical examiners to make a final statement. The sea burial is going to raise many questions and fan flames of conspiracy that need not have been aroused.
To ALL of you giving any credit except for 'rubber stamping' the op to Obama give it a rest. The fact is that Obama has absolutely ZERO military experience of any kind and likely as not has no idea what the difference between an Green Baret, Navy Seal and a Marine are.
Give credit where it is actually due, to the men and women who sacrafice each day for us. THE US MILITARY servicemen and women.
My second concern now is....."they buried him at sea"........what real proof do we have that he is actually dead. Unless there is a picture of him lying there dead this could all be a political ploy for Obama to use for his campaign to get back into the white house. The fact is that his 'economic recovery' plans are not working..........say what you like in the media but the middle class or shall I say what is left of it certainly has not noticed anything. The only thing I have noticed is Obamacare being crammed down our throats and a potential upcoming fine if I can't afford to purchase health insurance. Thanks for the kick in the teeth Obama.
Prove it or it didn't happen. I would say this for whomever was in office....Obama should prove it, if McCain had won and was in office I would say prove it. If it didn't happen until after the 2012 election I would say prove it. American's need to stop blindly believing what politicians say is true and demand proof of it and not just for this...........everything. As we all know politicians are all about getting elected and not much more. None of them are above twisting the truth and flat out lying to get what they want.
I guess liberals still have deluded memories…Obama campaigned against the war
Nope. Obama campaigned on taking it to al Qaeda in Afghanistan and pursuing them in Pakistan. Upon election, he called for recommendations from the military to do just that. The generals recommended more troops in Afghanistan, and Obama provided them. Obama also ordered an increase in the use of drones and covert ops in Pakistan, more than doubling the use by the previous administration. Obama also worked with Pakistan, who sent troops into several of the tribal areas in WAFA and NWFP, severely crippling the Taliban in South Waziristan and other areas. He ordered the CIA to make the capture or kill of bin Laden a top priority, and made sure the resources were made available.
And he succeeded.
I don't think you have a deluded memory; it seems that you were just hopelessly misinformed from the outset, and never bothered to apprise yourself of what Obama actually said and did. Opinion based on faulty information is worthless.
Actually? Bush took the focus off of Afghanistan and needlessly diverted attention and resources away from there and over to Iraq. Most of us remember that, even if you don't.
And so, I will repeat. The Republicans are TOAST in 2012!!!!
Well actually, President Obama called President Bush (JR) before letting us know. Why? Because President Obama followed up on an action commenced during the Bush Administration.
WE ARE ALL AMERICANS. STOP POLITICIZING THIS. ALMOST ANY PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE DONE WHAT OBAMA DID. I CONGRATULATE OBAMA FOR MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION.
I CONGRATULATE THE SPECIAL FORCES. I CONGRATULATE THE MILITARY.
I congratulate the American people. Even someone in the elevator, who I did not know at all, made a comment about Osama bin Laden being dead. That is how important this is.
Winky: With that line of thought then Truman did not win WWII, nor Mc Arthur won in the Pacific, nor Eisenhower won in Europe, nor Bush Sr. won the Gulf war. Military experience or not, my misinformed friend, he is the Commander in Chief. Have the operation failed you would have been in line screaming out of your lung that it was 'his' failure, as it was Carter's in '79 with the botched rescue in Iran. He could have chosen to do nothing about it, but he took action, he gave the proper agencies the green light to do whatever it took to capture him. Of course he wasn't there, neither was Bush Jr. before him, yet he (Jr.) will have to carry the weight of missing the opportunity to have him in 2002, and to put us in a 'unnecessary burden' by going after Saddam, when everybody knew he was not the threat but Osama (I forgot that both families have 'ties'). Whether you like it or not, the Commander in Chief (Obama) instructed our forces to carry the operation and they did so brilliantly. Go and cry somewhere else.
PAYBACK, is a mother ain't it? Did my heart good to finally see US citizens dancing in the streets on TV last night cause this ugly sob was dead. I'm guessing the muslim world is steaming today seeing us party like they did when the towers fell. Whoopee, i'm goin to disneyland!
We should all stop about the so called death of OBL.
If we did kill him as obama says, why no pics to show, why burry him at see, To honor the muslim way? Let me ask you this, did OBL honor our men, women and children when he had his men fly planes into our building? No he didn't.
So lets just stop for a second and act like it were true, don't you feel the least but slighted that you were not shown that he was dead, that we honored his religion when he hated us sooooo much that our people had to suffer the way they did.
It is total BS I want to see proof of this monsters death. I don't care what anyone says, they can say I am raining on their parade, they can say I am an Obama hater, it doesn't matter who was in office, if you do not show me proof and are so qick to throught the so called body of OBL in the ocean I am not believing you. All polliticians lie. It is in their nature.
I hate to sound skeptical but I'm w/ Just Me. If the only choice was to bury him at sea, he should not have been buried at sea until a sufficient number of credible people had ID (sorry but the CIA is not known for its transparency).
If you had even the slightest capacity for reasonable thought you would realize that any conspiracy that involves more than a couple of people will almost certainly fail. That is why there is no credibility in the conspiracy theories about (1) the faked moon landing, (2) the "missing" Barack Obama birth certificate, (3) the staged death of Osama bin Laden. Conspiracies involving any of those events would have required the collusion of hundreds, if not thousands, of people. I know you don't like the President and choose not to trust him, but do you really think that all of the military involved in the operation would just remain silent? Ridiculous!
You think you are "raining" on Obama's parade. Actually, you are merely identifying yourself as a loon. You do not have enough "water" to rain on anyone's parade.
Here's a thought. The CIA, FBI and Interpol Most Wanted lists...Do they just remove his photo & name from the list? Or do they have a little fun and put a big red bow across it? Black wreath? Or maybe a black slash through it? Maybe a red dot right in the middle of his forehead.
That's a good question Lola. I think they put a slash through it and mark it "DEAD."
To the naysayers, LISTEN TO THE NEWS. I listen to news radio constantly.
The DNA report has come back. It was Obama.
And to the people who questions why we honored his body, while I would have wanted to stomp on it like they did to our American citizens, I think we held the higher ground but respecting his religion like we wish he respected our rights.
Osama Bin Laden is DEAD! I think I'm going to join Glenn at Disneyland especially since it's going to be in the 80s today.
Many of us still wonder why Bush decided that bin Laden was no longer a priority. Thankfully, President Obama made this the number one mission in the "war on terror" .... and it succeeded.
don, I'll be honest, I think that is a very cynical view. Going back to the time, I think Bush followed the advice he was being given in trying to nab Bin Laden at Tora Bora. The advice was flawed, based on a flawed assessment of the situation at Tora Bora, and so Bin Laden escaped. A lot of people deserve blame for that, but I think you have to be bordering on conspiracy theory to think anyone let Bin Laden purposefully escape.
We can argue the details but really, it is all hindsight now. There are policies of both Bush W. and Obama I don't support. Their actions in pursuit of Bin Laden from Afghanistan to Pakistan I did, do and will forever.
This is not political. It is merely an effort to get state the facts correctly. Many Viners have stated that Bush and Obama should have equal credit for this successful mission. President Obama raised the priority to find Osama bin Laden, he approved the strategy, he authorized the mission ..... and he was successful. Not politics to report that ... it's just the truth.
Someone explain to me why they've already buried the body at sea? I mean, I understand that retaining possession of it makes us a target to other terrorist groups, but it would have been nice if they had brought the body to NYC and let the New Yorkers there set it on fire, piss on it, and then set it on fire again.
@don, you only have it half right, I DISLIKE ALL POLITICIANS, THEY ALL LIE. I do not believe a word they say. They all either tell 1/2 truths or flate out lies to get what they want and people like you who believe every word that comes out of their mouths, well thats just plain stupid.
I could give a reat as$ who was in office with the so called death of osama, proove it to me. I got to watch the deat of saddam its only natural for me to want to see that what they are telling me is true.
If you think for 1 minute I care what you or anyone else thinks of me, you are mistaken. You mean nothing to me and you can call me every name in the book. I will still be smiling, I will still live my happy life and I will still believe or not believe whateve I want to and if that bothers you, don't read my post. Its as simple as you oooops I mean that.
It seems rather foolish to me that someone such as yourself who doesn't believe any politician would bother to follow the news and to comment on Newsvine. Do you just log on to tell everyone that you don't believe any of it and that you have still another irrational belief to share with a bunch of strangers? I don't understand you.
For my part, I have nothing personal against you. My comments are really addressed to all of those who, like yourself, harbor irrational beliefs that take the place of reasonable discourse.
@don, you say you have nothing against me but it was my name you mentioned not everyone who shares my views. As far as the news is concerned I forgot they ALWAYS tell the truth.
I am allowed to have my oppinions as you are yours, I didn't call you out untill you called me out 1st. I am simply defending myself against your comment to me as I recallm you called me a loon.
Go back to read your post and you will see why I came right back at you.
If I am skepticle I have a right to be. There has not been 1 politician that has told the truth as long as I can remember.
So they raided at 1am, fought for 40 minutes, killed OBL, washed his body, wrapped him in white, said a few words and dumped him in the ocean by 2 am? Something smells fishy here!
There is a great deal of space between always and never. You never believe politicians .... I get that. But just because I believe that is a foolish position does not mean that I always believe them. I reject irrational conspiracy theories. The conspiracy theory in which you believe that the US military did not kill bin Laden is not rational because it would require collusion among at least 100 different people, not all of whom are supporters of President Obama. Your reasoning? All politicians lie. That is a very foolish reason to believe anything.
Well you have the right to your oppinion and I have a right to mine so I will have to just agree to dis agree and not waiste my time with you any longer. Thanks for your imput and being adult about it by name calling. Have a nice day.
That said, I completely disagree with your commenthat Bush did not consider Osama Bin Laden a priority. WHAT WAS THE CONTEXT? POST THE ACTUAL QUOTE NOT YOUR SUMMARY. I'd like to know the context so I can judge for myself. I seem to recall something like that but it's not the way you position it.
JUST SO YOU KNOW - I HATE OBAMA TOO.
And why do YOU think that Obama called Bush Jr. before telling the rest of America that Osama was dead?
OBAMA SHOWED PROFESSIONAL COURTESY TO THE PERSON WHO STARTED THIS WHOLE OPERATION. If you were paying attention to the news, and not political pundits, you would have discovered that this operation commenced FOUR YEARS AGO.
FOUR YEARS AGO, OBAMA WAS NOT IN OFFICE, BUSH JR. WAS.
I did not call you any "names." What I did say is that to never believe whatever any one of a large group of people says is foolish. To always believe someone or a group of people is also foolish. Sometimes some actual thought processes are needed. By following your extreme and irrational beliefs you have decided not to think for yourself and you arrive at conclusions that make no sense to a rational person.
You need a reason to believe a conspiracy theory. "All politicians lie" is a poor reason to just believe the opposite of what they say. What happens when two politicians say opposite things? Do you just believe nothing in that case? You should know why you believe whatever you believe ..... otherwise people will believe you are foolish. Some of us will even tell you you are being foolish.
Please don't vote. None of those politicians, in your opinion, are to be believed anyway and you can't think logically enough to case a wise vote. There are no conspiracy theories on the ballot anyway.
Find your own quote. I am not writing a term paper here and I am not going to search out references in order to teach you recent history and current events. What I will tell you is that I saw George W. Bush interviewed on television approximately five years ago and he stated that catching Osama bin Laden was not a priority. However, I do not have a photographic memory and I do not remember the time, place or the interviewer.
You don't need to bother saying you hate President Obama .... it's obvious from your biased comments.
"And why do YOU think that Obama called Bush Jr. before telling the rest of America that Osama was dead?
OBAMA SHOWED PROFESSIONAL COURTESY TO THE PERSON WHO STARTED THIS WHOLE OPERATION. If you were paying attention to the news, and not political pundits, you would have discovered that this operation commenced FOUR YEARS AGO.
FOUR YEARS AGO, OBAMA WAS NOT IN OFFICE, BUSH JR. WAS.
BOTH OF THEM DESERVE CREDIT."
Karen in LA,
You keep on missing the whole point. Yes, we all remember that Bush started this war, you don't have to keep on repeating that. What people are trying to get you to understand is that Bush didn't get the job done. Long before the mission was ever accomplished, he found something else to distract him, namely Iraq and the WMD's. Once we went into Iraq, Afghanistan immediately became second fiddle, don't you remember? Obama, on the other hand, has been saying since even before he got elected, that he would put the focus back on Afghanistan and the hunt for Bin-Laden. Now do you get it?
Find your own quote. I am not writing a term paper here and I am not going to search out references in order to teach
You're not teaching me a damn thing. I don't need to know anything from you.
HOWEVER, IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT AS IF IT IS FACT, THEN YOU BETTER BACK IT UP IF IT IS NOT COMMON KNOWLEDGE.
Otherwise, you're just talk and talk is cheap. I can say a lot of things. There is a big difference between you and me. I actually use facts.
Al - were you alive before 1960? Probably not. We had this war called the Vietnam war. Eisenhower got us involved when the French couldn't finish the job. Wasn't Eisenhower a 5 star general? Well, he couldn't finish the Vietnam war ande everybody liked Ike.
Eventually President Nixon got us out of Vietnam but it's not like we won anything. People remarked that Vietnam was not like the other wars because the troops did not know how to work in jungles and the different environment.
The Middle East is a desert. It's another challenge. So what that Bush did not find Osama Bin Laden. As reported by CBS, this operation that Obama finished was started by Bush. THAT IS A FACT.
THe bottom line is Obama did not have to call Baby Bush before he told us but he did, as reported by the Tiffany network, and there is only one logical reason - it was to say - WE DID IT.
Dick Cheney just said on ABC News that Osama Bin Laden was a priority for the Bush Administration. Dick Cheney was the real President as we all know so - Osama Bin Laden was a priority for Bush which completely squashes your comment.
Richard Clarke (remember who he is?) just said (also on ABC News) that Osama Bin Laden was a priority for all 3 administrations (including Clinton).
Hey Al - why didn't you blame Clinton for not getting Osama?
The fact that I've obviously struck a nerve, tells me all I need to know. If there was no truth to what I was saying, you would've never reacted the way you did. I was a kid during Vietnam, but I'll bet you I know more about it that you do, simply by being a life long history buff. Karen, you have NO idea how badly you embarrass yourself during some of these discussions, but then it's like they say. Ignorance is bliss.
Now to answer your question. Why don't I blame Clinton? Because he's not the one who chose to ignore a memo titled, "Bin Laden determined to attack US", that's why.
The fact that I've obviously struck a nerve, tells me all I need to know. If there was no truth to what I was saying, you would've never reacted the way you did. I was a kid during Vietnam, but I'll bet you I know more about it that you do, simply by being a life long history buff. Karen, you have NO idea how badly you embarrass yourself during some of these discussions, but then it's like they say. Ignorance is bliss.
You have to be kidding. Oh, I should off myself because a computer blob says I am embarrassing myself. Puh-leez, spare us the BS.
To the person who posted you tube videos, if you all want to be smart one day, I suggest you stick with primary sources. Dick Cheney is a primary source. He is a person with direct knowledge of a situation.
Anybody can post anything on youtube and even doctored videos too. I think I've looked at you tube a grand total of 5 times in my entire life. You tubes ARE NOT primary sources of information. They are even suspect.
Instead of you tube, I devour real news. I am particularly fond of CBS radio news also known as the Tiffany network. I listen to CBS radio news all day, every day. That is why I have facts at my disposal.
Neither don with the number or al from nor cal have these facts at their fingertips.
Ok, I know I've heard all I need to hear! What are you, 90 and completely senile? Why on earth wouldn't I have access to network news? Karen, they sell TV's and radios to anybody, not just you. See what I mean about embarrassing yourself? It's not true because I say it is, it's true because you really do it. "Spare us the BS", Who's us? In case you haven't noticed? No one's voting for your comments! Now, if you have so many "facts" at your disposal and you don't trust YouTube. Why don't you dig up those quotes from Bush yourself? He really did say that Bin Laden wasn't a priority. I don't understand how you can remember the Eisenhower administration, but you can't remember that! It was just a few years ago. Are you starting to see what I mean about embarrassing yourself?
To the person who posted you tube videos, if you all want to be smart one day, I suggest you stick with primary sources. Dick Cheney is a primary source
Bush is on the video speaking for himself.
If you do not want people to prove you wrong every time you speak, don't.
@don, I never said conspiracy theory, or conspiracy at all, I said I wont believe it unless you show me the proof. As for calling me names you said I was a loon, simply because I want to see proof. I am not the only person who shares the same feelings I do.
It is only human nature to want to believe that osama is dead. If I recall correctly it is not the 1st time we were told he was dead, a pic of him and another muslim morphed together was going around the internet. I am simply stating that I will believe it when I see it. There is nothing irrational about it.
ron, interesting clips, and I remember watching that speech. At the time, I thought to myself that he obviously doesn't want to talk about the sore spot that he had been unable to bring Bin Laden to justice. But it was, to me, very clear that it was the wrong way to deal with the question. He simply should have stated that catching Osama Bin Laden was a top priority, and that he was still frustrated, but that he was doing everything in his power to catch him. Say it even if was a lie. I personally don't think it would have been a lie, but with history, those who wish to say Bush W. lost sight of the main objective have quite a bit of evidence. Certainly not left to this speech alone.
You are denser than I realized. The YouTube videos are clips of actual events. They ARE primary sources because they show the events as they actually happened ..... events like W saying that bin Laden was not a big deal.
You are also denser than I realized. Even though you never wrote the words "conspiracy theory" you need to realize that your refusal to believe the reports that bin Laden was killed requires you to believe that the President, the CIA and the military all acted together to lie about his death. That would be a conspiracy. Get it? Only a loon would believe such a thing.
Al from NorCal - david, I'll gladly confess. I'm not a graduate of West Point, Sandhurst, or any other military academy. I'm only an amateur history buff, so I'll gladly defer to your expertize in military tactics. Having said that, I'd like to ask you a question.
Sorry for not providing you with a response sooner. Without being too disrespectful to certain people (Academy Graduates). The Majority of Academy types arebased on Political Nominations (not based on earned previous proven Military Experience). At their time at the Academies they are taught Military Conventional Warfare, not the importance of Asymmetric Warfare (current and future Wars).
Al from NorCal - Why has every single commander in Afghanistan, consistently requested more and more troops?
This is based on what they are trained to do as Conventional Warfare. As quantity to hold the Ground, and not quality to go after the enemy Asymmetric Warfare Fighters as skill versus skill.
The other Political Reason is that investing in the Longterm Training, Experience and Retention of US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces (Decades); is not as popular as providing Jobs to manufacture expensive Conventional Warfare Equipment (Aircraft Carriers, SSBNs, Aircraft, etc.). This makes the Conventional Warfare Flag Officers (Generals and Admirals) more popular with US Congress (those that confirm nominations, promotions, etc.).
Also think about why some Generals and Admirals will throw US Military Personnel with minimal training and combat experience into a Asymmetric Warfare situation. If you say it is to gain experience, it is NOT, it is to justify their piece of the US Defense Budget during a time of PresidentialDefense Budget Cuts. Seriously, think about this, if the General's or Admiral's US Military Forces are chopped that puts the Generals or Admirals out of a Job.
Al from NorCal - Could it be that you're more proficient in and have more knowledge of military tactics, than any of them? Because if that's really the that case? I only wish I was there in person to have the privilege of shaking your hand.
Only, because my men, women, myself have been doing this (US Military Asymmetric Warfare for decades, recalled over and over again to Active Duty and indefinite extensions, aka "National Security"). As far as coming here to shake my hand, I would not wish this place (even for a day, hour, minute, second) on my worst enemy (makes previous Iraq seem to be a Disneyland Vacation).
There is a lot of errata being developed, Research: 1. Who normally uses MH-60s "Pave Hawks" (not USN SH-60s "Sea Hawks"), heard a News Caster call the MH-60s "Pave Lows" (previous USAF MH-53s "Pave Lows", last time I was in one of those was 2007). 2. Who uses MH-47s (flight from Bagram AFB to USN Ship). 3. Who was the closest (at Bagram AFB) that were already trained to fly Night Time Special Operations Missions, as well as equipped with stereoscopic (depth perception) Night Vision Devices (only one Unit in the entire US Military. learned the hard way during Mogadishu Somalia, identical Reconnaissance/Raid except we learned from our mistakes) and not Night Vision Monoculars (no depth perception), I previously posted, August 2009, about the goat rope the US Civilians here put us thru to get the unique rechargeable batteries for our NVDs. 4. Just some food for thought, what Blue Light (our predecessors) proved was that you cannot train Stateside and expect the same conditions at the target, no matter how hard you attempt to duplicate the known conditions and attempt to plan for contingencies (note: the news first said that the training occurred at a full scale mock up at Virginia, and now they are saying a mock up at Bagram AFB). 5. Many times in the past, the actual events were recorded and locked up in Classified Vaults, and Stateside Units were attributed with the Missions as to avoid retaliations (harder to get someone Stateside than locally). Couple of times before while at Germany we were attributed with Missions we never conducted and used as tethered goats (Bait), we really did not appreciate that, as we were not told (potential threat to our families), and were surprised when we heard it on the News that we performed certain Missions.
karen in l.a....a direct quote from former president bush jr. at a press conference where he states that bin laden is not a concern less than a year after 9/11. I took an excerpt out of the whole interview with that one quote...you can look up the entire interview for yourself at the white house's own website...the link is provided at the end...keep telling yourself that bush is the hero.
For Immediate Release Office of the Press Secretary March 13, 2002
President Bush Holds Press Conference Press Conference by the President The James S. Brady Briefing Room
THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon.....
Q Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive? Final part -- deep in your heart, don't you truly believe that until you find out if he is dead or alive, you won't really eliminate the threat of --
THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time. And the idea of focusing on one person is -- really indicates to me people don't understand the scope of the mission.
Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all.
So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.
And there will be other battles in Afghanistan. There's going to be other struggles like Shahikot, and I'm just as confident about the outcome of those future battles as I was about Shahikot, where our soldiers are performing brilliantly. We're tough, we're strong, they're well-equipped. We have a good strategy. We are showing the world we know how to fight a guerrilla war with conventional means.
Q But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.
But once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became -- we shoved him out more and more on the margins. He has no place to train his al Qaeda killers anymore. And if we -- excuse me for a minute -- and if we find a training camp, we'll take care of it. Either we will or our friends will. That's one of the things -- part of the new phase that's becoming apparent to the American people is that we're working closely with other governments to deny sanctuary, or training, or a place to hide, or a place to raise money.
And we've got more work to do. See, that's the thing the American people have got to understand, that we've only been at this six months. This is going to be a long struggle. I keep saying that; I don't know whether you all believe me or not. But time will show you that it's going to take a long time to achieve this objective. And I can assure you, I am not going to blink. And I'm not going to get tired. Because I know what is at stake. And history has called us to action, and I am going to seize this moment for the good of the world, for peace in the world and for freedom.
Mike Allen. I'm working my way back, slowly but surely. Michael...
You took it out of context but thank you for the press release to prove it.
I WILL NEVER WATCH YOU TUBES. As I do know how to manipulate video images, etc., and considering that YOU TUBE IS NOT REPUTABLE.
It's kind of like how we never saw Rodney King driving at speeds in excess of 100mph on crack. All we saw is the beating he deservedly got. I DON'T WATCH YOU TUBE.
karen, totally understand what you're saying, however, youtube also shows posts of interviews, news reports, and archived news reports...which is why some people are trying to link others to youtube...it's not totally illegitimate, but I definitely agree with you on youtube....videos are so easily manipulated, especially if they were posted by random people and not by the news companies themselves or the people of interest themselves...however you can learn alot from youtube, I've learned how to take apart a computer and replace parts and putting it back together with no problems, I learned how to do many things from youtube with its many useful posts from replacing a kitchen faucet to how to build your own car...the pros outweigh the cons in that type of case, so don't totally write off youtube...see for yourself, on whatever subject you want, from gardening to whatever it is you're interested in...
however, bush did shift his view from bin laden to saddam hussien...when people were telling him about bin laden before 9/11, he was quoted as saying he wasn't interested in swatting small flys, instead keeping his eyes on the ball in iraq...I believe he truly didn't care about bin laden and just went through the motions of at least appearing so...and when obama took over, he shifted the whole thing back to afghanistan and started withdrawal of iraq...and put the focus once more on bin laden...and what happened? It's history now, baby, and irrefutable...
They showed the Bush news conference stating his indifference to bin Laden on MSNBC also, so it wasn't just on YouTube. It was also the news conference that I referenced in an earlier comment and you wanted the reference. You have been supplied that reference several times now, but you choose to keep your head firmly buried in the sand. There it shall remain.
Joe - I have ZERO time to sort through hundreds of thousands of You Tubes for information but thank you for your take on You Tubes.
In addition, I refuse to use You Tube because it is my firm belief that this organization sponsors copyright infringement. I abhor copyright infringers and turned in a website to the MPAA the other day. The MPAA filed suit.
With respect to my "refusal" to listen to the rest of you. Frankly, I did listen to you. It clear that you hate Bush. I hate Bush too but I don't lie about him.
Suffice it to say that you don't know how to read things in context. If you don't understand what that means, ask a professor.
This is much more about getting the facts correct. Many of us are just trying to be well informed and, while we have our biases, we are attempting to understand current events in a logical, rational fashion.
Bush decided not to make bin Laden his top priority. His news conference stating his feelings about bin Laden have been shown on MSNBC and the same news conference is available on YouTube. If you do not want to avail yourself of the current information I don't understand why you are so convinced that you know what is going on.
You have stated on Newsvine that Bush deserves equal credit for finding bin Laden. The facts prove you wrong. Recognition of the truth does not indicate who hates who ..... it only shows who seeks the truth and who finds reasons to avoid the truth.
wow...of course bush declined...there would be riotings at ground zero if he showed his face...especially cheney...but come on! they couldn't even make that effort? no matter how low my opinion of them was, it just went even more subterranean...they still had a lot to do with what happened...
also, regarding youtube...i'm sure it's not hard to narrow down whatever you want to find, that's what that search bar in the upper left corner of the webpage is...for example, if one wanted to search for, hmm, say, the zapruder film of the kennedy speech, or robert kennedy's awesome speech in detroit during the race riots in which he stopped! the riot, or martin luther king's i have a dream speech...you could. youtube's not a total waste. there's valuable historical footage in there, so, like i said, don't totally write it off. not everything's manipulated. most news out there are anyway, and it's usually up to us to wade through all that bog and find that one gold nugget, i guess...lol, didn't really know where I was going in that last sentence but i guess that turned out alright...
wow i totally zoned out while typing...i meant the zapruder film of the kennedy assassination...I guess I was thinking ahead too quick...and I guess I was wrong about RFK's location, i guess it was in Indianapolis, right after the assassination of Martin Luther King...
You need to grow up, you think that calling people names makes you right? You know you are nothing but a coward hiding behind a key board I take nothing you say to heart and I actually pitty you for being so closed minded. You must not have any friends because I couldn't imagin anyone wanting to be around someone who thinks that what they say is right and if you don't agree with it you are a loon or are dense.
I am not the only person wanting to see proof. This would not the 1st time that a lie came out of the mouths of the government, if it is a lie. I find it hard to believe simply because of the suspicious way they say it all went down.
All I need is to see the proof, and not them SAYING that they have DNA proof.
As far as all them people telling lies, well they are now saying it was a lie that OBL was in gunfire with them.
I have no doubt whatsoever that you will spend the rest of your life chasing conspiracy theories and doubting any information from the government that does not suit your preconceived biases. You will, however, be disappointed over and over because those government officials have no responsibility to deliver to your doorstep any birth certificates, death certificates or any other proof that they are doing their jobs. No one has a responsibility to prove to you that Osama bin Laden is dead. This is really no different than the birther issue. The Hawaii state government certified Obama's birth. That was their job. The CIA and several other government entities have certified bin Laden's death. That is their job. We live in a representative government. There is no responsibility to provide proof to every individual. Write to your senator or congressman.
Releasing the photos or videos would likely cause more harm than good, and probably result in needless deaths of Americans overseas, just as innocent Americans were killed when the idiot Preacher Jones burned the Koran.
Obama is right about one thing: You can believe any whacked out conspiracy theory you want, but, in the end, no one will ever see Osama bin Laden walking around again.
Let the whiners whine. That bin Laden character is dead as a mackerel and nothing they say will change it.
Don, you could not be more wrong, I never questioned or requested or demanded to see obamas birth certificate. You don't know me, but because I question this 1 thing, you think you do. Funny.
As I stated before, it is the suspicous way they say it went down period. Like 4moreyears I would be satisfied with a still shot of BIn Laden at gun point before being shot.
A person chasing conspriracy theories around would be jumping at more then just this 1 issue. You are so quick to believe that it was Bin Laden, I am not.
I am sure that you are one of the people who think George Bush lied about believing that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, does that make you a conspiracy theorist?
See, there you go, Bush can lie but obama cant. whatever. I believe there were wmd bush made a big mistake by too many raid warnings. gave them plenty of time to hide them.
well every President cannot be 100% honest - or even us regular folks.. Jim Carrey in the movie Liar Liar kind of shows how crazy it might be not to hold back one's real feelings.
My problem with WMD's is that the neo cons wrote a letter to Clinton a couple years before 2001 and 911 - in which they ask the President to do something more that the no fly zone and inspections. And they used the WMD for the first time. So they had the argument way before the invasion of Iraq. I wish they would have worried more about airline safety and maybe then the world trade center would still be here.
That is exactly my point when I say all politicians lie. We can not believe everything that they say. That does not make me a conspiracy theorist. I just happen to not believe what they are saying went down. I want to see proof of it before I believe, it does not have to be the picture of his brains hanging out but as you previously mentioned a still shot from the video taken during the raid of Osama before he was shot would be sufficient enough for me.
It is ok to not believe some things because they have to be careful about how much information is given - kind of the first rule of being in the CIA or even just regular law enforcement. It is hard to call what most of these people do as lying - it is a fine line between them.
Have a little patience - part of the Video is bound to be release in the not too distant future
I totally agree 4moreyears! In this computerized world, everybody wants everything now, and if they can't get it, well, something is wrong.
I have no doubt that once the dust settles and a little time goes by, all the briefings are done, and the White House and Pentagon have reviewed everything, that we will see much more in depth information from the folks involved. I fully expect to see a story on "60 Minutes" or some other news program that will have people involved in the mission tell their story. Maybe not the Seals themselves, to protect their identity, but perhaps the doctor that did the autospy, support crew for the Seal team, etc.
I remember a story where the troops who captured Saddam Hussein took the reporters back to the actual location and fully described what happened. I bet dollars to donuts something very similar will happen this time around too, in due time.
Not only will Donald - but I will too - but more than the death certificate - I want to see the body. I wonder if this is another one of Obama's lies to try to stay in the White House! I would not doubt it for one minute.
They may even take a picture of a "look-a-like" to try to trick us - just like he thinks he has with that birth certificate! I don't trust anything Obama says - he is such a BIG A**liar!
LOL...you knew the wingnuts wouldn't give the President any credit. Too bad, seg...it took this President two and a half years to do what the previous one couldn't do in seven and a half. That must really chap your hide, huh?
Obama's the liar. Where are the WMD Bush promised would be found? His war will cost over 3 trillion dollars and you call Obama the liar.
Bush's administration had 7 plus years to get Obama. and failed. He had a team of fools leading the parade, featuring the crew in the Pentagon, led by Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and his cabal of Jewish lawyers, who planned the Iraq war.
He doesn't deserve any credit, the soldiers got bin laden And don't forget we're still in Iraq a war we should not have been in anyhow. Obama promised to stop Iraq but we're still there
In Fact, Clinton had the chance to kill him, but he chose not to, aka. Screwed Up Big Time. The whole 9/11 could have been avoided if Clinton did his job. But as usual, the blame falls on the president in office at the time. 9/11 is Bush's fault, America loosing Respect and looking Cowardly is Baracks fault.
If the one before him hadn't done what he had done, this one wouldn't have had a clue where to start.... so... no credit to Obama. Credit to the people in the field and the US military for accomplishing it.
Numnuts obama didnt do this - Our Soldiers have been putting their lives on the line to find osama for the past 10 years. It is Their accomplishment and not the presidents!!!!
why would you give obama or any president the credit ?? ---- it is the brave men and women of our intelligence teams who deserve the credit, not some politician.
Tomvet.. Actually he does deserve credit because he changed the strategy of the war to focus on fighting that war instead of prancing around in a desert looking for WMD's that don't exist. Yeah, he allocated resources where they were needed smarty pants!
But yes, it's the whole team that deserves the full credit and not just one man.. But that doesn't mean you take the one man out of the team because you want to water down what he did to make you feel better about yourself, or whatever it is you are having an issue with.
i cant believe after such great news the first thing people like you say is that this is a lie...the president would not lie about such a big thing because this war was started 10 years ago for the hunt for this guy and this is probably the biggest victory for the US since the start of this war and we should all be grateful for this news.
Thank goodness I can go to my grave knowing that son of a female dog is in his. And yes, I do credit the Obama administration as well as the military because they go hand in hand. Got to give credit where credit is due. Obama haters, go cry to Trump! Actually, go cry WITH Trump!
All politicians have tendencies to lie, so if you want to distrust look at all of them with raised eyebrows. Have faith in no Man; regardless of who, they are; only faith in God; for he is the only one, who it is impossible to lie.
You really are an ignorant person. You also probably think that Osama Bin Ladin is the reason we are at war right now, the whole point of which i think is utterly ridiculous. George W. Bush led us into invasion of a foreign country to try and manipulate their people (who were perfectly fine unmanipulated. Most people living there led happy and normal lives before we started bombing their houses.) and for oil. He was a greedy man who wanted money, and therefor oil. Obama is not a liar, and he has been trying to untangle the problems caused by Bush since he got into office. And at least he got into office fairly the first time instead of having his brother recount and recount votes until they found some loophole in. Yes, I am glad Osama is dead, he was definitely linked with al quaida.
You are correct ronpal. bush and odumba only get credit for continuing the search for him. The men and women of the military and intelligence community deserve the glory for it.
odumba fans will leech onto anything to try and make him look good. I am sure his people will try and spin it tomorrow to make it look like odumba ran the whole operation. This will be odumba's "Mission Accomplish" moment.
Then why did Bush announce "Mission Accomplished" in a militaty outfit on an aircraft carrier when nothing had been accomplished? Our presence in Afghanistan was increased because of Obama, perhaps the soldiers responsible were there because Obama directed we increase our presence in Afghanistan. I agree the soldiers deserve the credit and I bet Obama will give it to them. I have met the enemy and he is us.
So the fact that the Obama administration is responsible for changing policy to return focus to Afghanistan and the search for OBL made no impact is that what the right wingers are saying.
Maybe if Bush/Cheney had not been so interested in getting into Iraq and had actually done what was right they would have gotten this guy years ago.
The bigots just have to face it, IT WAS OBAMA'S STRATEGY THAT GOT THE JOB DONE!
OK people, lets not turn this into a political thing, the CIA and the Military are the people that got this done. Bus started it and Obama finished; team effort, that's the only way to get things done right!
No Carianne, the comment was "Obama's the liar?" He needed a question mark not a period. Now just enjoy the moment and comment on the story. Unless you're talking about the one typo in the second paragraph? Come on everyone knew what he meant. Don't be like that, not tonight.
Ann...he did it twice. I'm sorry...but, after the second time, I had to point it out because it makes it sounds like he's saying something he didn't intend. And believe me...I'm totally enjoying the moment.
LOL look at the liberals trying to give credit to Obama for this.
"I told the CIA to make getting Osama priority one."
Really? Mr. President? Did you think it was priority 45?I love how he tried to frame it like he made this radical policy shift and it was his doing.
Bottom line, you can't give all fault to Bush for things started during his term, then give all credit to Obama for good things that come to fruition during his reign. It's all or nothing. You can thank President Bush for this. It's where the thanks belong, along with our Armed Forces and Intelligence Community.
If you are one of those who praised Bush and his Admin. for "keeping us safe" after 9/11, then it's time for you to give it up for Obama for "accomplishing the mission".
It was okay for you to praise Bush/Cheney, when it wasn't even their lives on the line or any personal effort made by them to fight terrorism.
Now you can praise Obama(yes I know our guys/gals in the field made it possible, and deserve the real credit).
It is amazing what a strong president can accomplish.............the one before joked about finding Bin Laden while our men and women were being massacred in Iraq.
Bush gave the initial order. Remember "Bring him in, Dead or Alive"? After that point, the ONLY ones that deserve credit are the man on the team that nailed him. The Boy King had nothing, that's ZERO, to do with this. In fact, the lizard has done nothing for this Country but bankrupt it every since he first plopped his butt down and threw his feet up on OUR desk in OUR oval office.
Did any of you people listen to the President's speech? He actually did do something to facilitate the demise of Bin Laden. All Americans can celebrate because we are the ones that are going to have to pay for the fiscal costs.
I'm a conservative and this is good news. Who cares which administration got him? In the entire scope of things, it's only a minor victory though unless it changes the course of action in Afghanistan. We are there to do what? Weaken the Taliban and Al Qaeda... with Bin Laden gone, maybe we can start pulling out and bring our brave men and women home from that desolate country.
Congratulations to the soldiers that finally closed this most wanted man's eyes for good. Great job!
Everybody pass this on > Give the Troops that Killed Osama the 25 million Reward
I am sure their families could use it. Congrats to our special forces that got the job done. This is going to sway votes over to the Dems no matter what anyone says about Obama. Chief in Charge always either gets blamed or gets the credit. Period........
And no I am not an Obama fan he still sold out to Goldman Sach's
Justice would be restoring the lives of those who died at the hands of Osama bin Laden and his blasphemous band of muharibun. Justice would be the complete undoing of the perversion of religion brought about by their diseased propaganda.
But thank God we have been relieved of this pest. And thank the tireless efforts of all of the men and women, up to and including President Obama, who worked so hard for so long to rid the world of the evil bin Laden.
Is this why Leon Panetta, head of the CIA was given a bigger promotion as Secretary of Defense?; and Petraeus was taken out of Afghanistan to become the New CIA Director?
Was it Leon Panetta or General Petraeus, the hero or heroes getting the bigger than life Al-Qaida Leader.
I will give Obama credit for finding and killing many of the Terrorist Leaders under his Administration. This is something Bush could not do---except for Saddam Hussein and his sons.
The next deadly target will be Moammar Gadhafi--he must be shaking in his boots, after all the bombings and the recent deadly bomb targets on major Terrorist Leaders..
Who will replace Osama as the new leader of Al Qaida. There will be monster fights and killings within the ranks of Terrorism.
This was a definite 5 star week for Obama. Congratulations.
The men and women of the military and intelligence community deserve all the glory for bin laden's death. No one else. They are the ones that made all the sacrifices.
Just wondering how he could be so close to Islamabad and the paki. government didn't know.
I had already gone to bed but woke up as the President was telling the world Bin Laden was dead. My first feelings as and american father of service members who serve were to rejoice. After a few moments to reflect my mood shifted to sorrow. I began to think of all those people who died so many years ago. Seeing people jumping from the towers to escape the fire. Then i thought of all the men and woman of our military who have givin thier lives in search for this one man and all the other liev lost along the way.
I don't care who takes , gives or gets credit for this. No one is a winner. We all lost. this only signals a page has been turned. A chapter closed.
Thank you Pres. Obama, you made it a priority afte Bush said he wasn't concerned about OBL. I was all for Afghanistan but against Iraq because the was just GWB avenging his daddys snub.
Outstanding work by US Special Forces and JSOC. I salute all US military personnel, especially those who gave their lives for the War On Terror. At least there was an end to the fight.
Outstanding work to the CIA. I rarely have a chance to say good things about them, but they deserve this. I thank you all for your unwavering resolve.
Its funny, we've all forgotten the mission over these long years, but its almost like the day after 9/11. I feel close to my neighbors again.
I'm happy to live in and be apart of the United States of America.
I'm sure Gaddafi is probably mourning the murder of three of his grandchildren under the guise of "humanitarian aid". Shaking in his boots is probably not even in his mind right now.
You people never cease to amaze me. Another victory for "this administration"? what exactly has this administration done? 4 dollars for gas cause "the administration" wont let us drill into our reserves. Jumps in someone elses war? Takes the credit for killing a terrorist, Osama, (sounds very similar to Obama, maybe thats just me though) Osama is dead and the world is better off for that but all this political crap is horse crap. Obama deserves no credit for this and even though it is a joke, we all know the libs will twist this any way possible to make it sound as good as they can for big bad Bama. To bad.
When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time they seem invincible — but in the end, they always fall. Think of it: always.
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi - Indian political, spiritual and ideological leader (1869–1948)
Hawaii2, I agree with you. This was definitely a 5 star week for Obama. Ray - LOL at your Donald Trump now wants a death certificate comment. I used to enjoy watching "Celebrity Apprentice" - now not so much after Donald Trump disrespectfully gave President Obama a hard time demanding to see his birth certificate. I really think Donald Trump should give up now in terms of running for President with these recent developments. Sandie, I agree with the majority of your post as well.
Stick with your birther argument, backwoods! That's about the depth of your sick mind! You would rather see this country fail; you'd rather see the nation be destroyed; you would rather see Osama bin Landen nuke Washington, D. C. and every American than see Obama make the announcement he made tonight! You are one very sick, dude!
From an article that explains the situation very well and should remind people of what happened from 2001-2009.
Bush’s priorities have always been skewed. Just months after declaring he wanted bin Laden "dead or alive" Bush said, "I truly am not that concerned about him" Turning his attention away from bin Laden, Bush trained his focus on Iraq — a country he now admits had nothing to do with 9/11.
People celebrate and rightly so, beware though. The news of 9-11 echoed through much of the Middle East and there was dancing in the streets, a blow had been struck upon the Great Satan America. Many of those people will be watching the celebrations in front of the White House and many will plot revenge. It would be wise not to loosen vigilance and in fact, heighten it.
There will be reprisals, if not here then against the US military overseas. The sad part about something like the War on Terror is that it can become a never-ending cycle. May this never happen, I am sick unto death of war and brutality, of reprisals and revenge. May this mark the beginning of the ending of such brutality.
People need to forget the politics just for this one moment that All Americans can share, Osama is DEAD, that was the American goal and this has been achieved so be happy for the achievement .... This was a goal that had no political overtones yet when achieved the trolls steal the joy, I say down with these trolls ....
RhetoricnotFacts you gotta keep your story straight.
You're saying Bush deserves the credit for this, not Obama, because he started this but you're also saying Pakistan has been playing us for the last six years. So Bush got played and couldn't catch UBL, but he deserves positive credit?
So I say to you, "Facts", that you can't give Bush credit for all the things he started in his term that eventually end up positive if, at the same time, you're willing to blame Obama for all the bad things Bush started that went worse. If Bush gets credit for this, in your eyes, he gets the credit for the recession as well; if Bush gets nothing for the bad economy then he gets no cookie for starting a (unfunded) war in Afghanistan and then leaving the cleanup for the next guy.
I'm sure the shooter will get his credit in due time. But I'd rather that did not get out right now for his safty. Obama did put his reputation on the line when he wanted to keep the troops in the area and I'm sure he gave the go ahead on this manuver. He is the Comander and Chief and all US personal got out of this manuver safely. The President Gave the finnal order. Who else can you give credit. 10 year wait Bush?
LOL Bin Laden has been dead and buried since December 2001 from kidney failure. You fools are rejoicing over a long ago dead CIA asset. Keep believing the fairytale. If they are digging up the dead Bin Laden and rattling his bones it only means something big is coming. Either the collapse of the dollar or invading Syria and WWIII. You fools will support the evil ,bloodthirsty, greedy bankers that own America. Keep believing if it helps you sleep at night. America died a long time ago because of misinformed propagandized tv babies like all of you sheep. Your sons and daughters died based on a lie. "War is a racket" General Smedley Butler. The war on terror is a lie. This is just another. Keep killing Muslims and ignore the fact your own government was involved in 911.
I thought it would be appropriate to post this editorial written by Leonard Pitts Jr of the Miami Herald - the day after 9/11.
Leonard Pitts Jr.: We'll go forward from this moment
By LEONARD PITTS JR.
This column by Leonard Pitts Jr. was published in The Miami Herald on Sept. 12, 2001, and received an extraordinary response from readers worldwide.
It's my job to have something to say.
They pay me to provide words that help make sense of that which troubles the American soul. But in this moment of airless shock when hot tears sting disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can find to say, the only words that seem to fit, must be addressed to the unknown author of this suffering.
You monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard.
What lesson did you hope to teach us by your coward's attack on our World Trade Center, our Pentagon, us? What was it you hoped we would learn? Whatever it was, please know that you failed.
Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause.
Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve.
Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together.
Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a family rent by racial, social, political and class division, but a family nonetheless. We're frivolous, yes, capable of expending tremendous emotional energy on pop cultural minutiae - a singer's revealing dress, a ball team's misfortune, a cartoon mouse.
We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready availability of trinkets and material goods, and maybe because of that, we walk through life with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are fundamentally decent, though - peace-loving and compassionate. We struggle to know the right thing and to do it. And we are, the overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and loving God.
Some people - you, perhaps - think that any or all of this makes us weak. You're mistaken. We are not weak. Indeed, we are strong in ways that cannot be measured by arsenals.
Yes, we're in pain now. We are in mourning, and we are in shock. We're still grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still working to make ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from some Hollywood blockbuster, isn't the plot development from a Tom Clancy novel.
Both in terms of the awful scope of their ambition and the probable final death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of terrorism in the history of the United States and, probably, the history of the world. You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before.
But there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us fall. This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow the last time anyone hit us this hard, the last time anyone brought us such abrupt and monumental pain. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any cost, go to any length, in the pursuit of justice.
I tell you this without fear of contradiction. I know my people, as you, I think, do not. What I know reassures me. It also causes me to tremble with dread of the future.
In the days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers pointing to determine whose failure al- lowed this to happen and what can be done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward from this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined, too. Unimaginably determined.
You see, the steel in us is not always readily apparent. That aspect of our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us well. On this day, the family's bickering is put on hold.
As Americans, we will weep; as Americans, we will mourn; and as Americans, we will rise in defense of all that we cherish.
So I ask again: What was it you hoped to teach us? It occurs to me that maybe you just wanted us to know the depths of your hatred. If that's the case, consider the message received. And take this message in exchange: You don't know my people. You don't know what we're capable of.
Faux News kept saying for an hour or so that he was killed last week. Then saying why did they wait a week before telling us, starting the rumors again.
FFinally they replayed Obama and changed their story as i had to watch Fox to see how they were going to spin the story.
They sure showed a lot of pictures of GWB, but he was in bed asleep.
It's nice to have people around like Tony Romo. Without idiots like him, I would think street people and NBA players were the most pathetic people in the world. Tony, however, gives real meaning to the word loser.
"We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail."
Thank You to President Bush, President Obama, the CIA Team, FBI, Special Operations, and all those that worked hard to bring this monster to justice. My family has been informed and they all appreciate everything these brave people have done.
We may have argued, we may not see eye to eye, but one thing is clear. We are all Americans.
anyone notice how the story begins here? Osama bin Laden, the Saudi extremist whose al-Qaida terrorist organization killed more than 3,000 people in coordinated attacks on the U.S. on Sept. 11, 2001.
Bin Laden denied being involved in 911. There has bever been any proof presented in a court of law that ties Bin Laden to 911. Bin Laden is on the FBI's most wanted list for Yemen bombing not 911.
Now some of you may say we saw him admit it on a tape. Well that tape has been proven to be a fraud. Watch it again it's on youtube. Thats not Bin Laden.
Or perhaps you'll say we have terroist who admitted to working for Bin Laden on 911. Well those confessions were brought about by torture and not one of those confessions were ever brought before a court in the USA only in censored militray tribunals. Hmmm I wonder why we can't convict anyone associated with 911 in A US court.
So how does a news agency like MSNBC make staements about someones guilt when that someone has never even been charged with the deaths on 911. Thats like someone saying elements within the US gov't did 911 with the help of Mossad. It's just a theory with just a little more evidence than saying Bin Laden did 911.
Sounds like propaganda to me. So have a party that Bin Laden the CIA asset is dead. It's been a long time coming. Since he's been dead since December 2001. Google it fools.
Obama's speech was fabulous. He gave me all the details I wanted to know.
Osama Bin Laden is dead. I love repeating that. Isn't it great? Osama Bin Laden is dead.
I was so glad the President reminded everyone of the human loss from that day and how flight 93 passengers saved us.
Obama authorized this action and the Special Forces carried it out. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU ARE OUR HEROS.
And President Obama closed his wonderful speech with part of our Pledge of Allegiance - ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND MAY GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
ABC was saying the same things up until obama made his speech. NBC was reporting that it happened in NW pakistan near the afghan border and that it was a drone attack. ABC said that they didn't want to release the information till his DNA was matched with his sister who had died in Boston. That the FBI had a subpoena to claim her brain to make the match. It wasn't just FOX reporting things not checked out.
We should all know by now that the press usually wants the scoop everyone and doesn't wait till the facts are actually released.
It really isn't as important how it happened, but that bin laden is dead.
Thanks for that. I read it when it came out and it really is apropo tonight. That day, no one was a democrat or a republican or mad because you were a black person or a white person or whatever, just American. The act that truly, truly brought us together for a moment was unspeakable as stated in the article. I must say that I had never felt that togetherness before nor have I since. I will try to remember that feeling when the rancor gets excessive as it surely will.
Following my comment at #2.99: I watched the Presidents live speech earlier. I managed to go over to the BBC press release board almost immediately after his announcement. It's was funny; the British press was releasing more information on the story and quicker than the US press. ( I was just busy and could not comment until now.)
I have been following the country Pakistan since 9/11. They are a brutal country---the Taliban hangs out there as well, (a haven for all Terrorist groups, including Iran) committing many Terrorist Acts.
The Past Leaders of Pakistan have been very much threatened with their lives from the Taliban?/Al Qaida that they will be assassinated. Many have stepped down because of this fear, and Ms. Bhutto was assassinated. Many have played both sides to save their lives.
Pakistan wants everything. They don't want to cooperate with definite action, thus hiding Osama Bin Laden there for many years. The US knew well Osama was living there---no help from the the Pakistani's, but their hands were always out for our money and Aid..
Credit to the group who was absolutely expert on targeting this mansion with high fences, barbed wire, in a suburban neighborhood with no Internet service--very suspicious. This Elite Group (Navy Seals?) have been patiently waiting since August for the "kill". Obama carefully monitored the correct time of this attack.
This will go down as a major coup of great proportions in the last 100 years here in the US. It is like killing a Hitler, Stalin, or a Mussollini.
It is time to celebrate, but after the euphoria, it will be a time of great caution for fear of more Terrorism against the US, especially Osama's inner cells living here in the US, and abroad.
Lies - I really have ZERO CLUE and I DON'T WANT TO KNOW where you are coming from. You must be pretty depressed about Osama bin Laden being dead if you have issues with what I said.
I am an ecstatic American. Now I'm on the board to let you know according to news reports I am hearing, this operation began during Bush's tenure. It started 4 years ago.
BUSH'S TEAM (NOT BUSH) was smart. Obama was smart to find out what Bush was up to before Bush left office. Obama was smart to AUTHORIZE THE SPECIAL FORCES TO FINALIZE THIS ACTION AFTER 4 YEARS.
The Special Forces CARRIED IT OUT SPENDIDLY. THEY HAVE THE DAMN BODY BECAUSE THEY KNEW WE WOULD WANT PROOF.
They all worked on this and they all deserve credit and thanks from Americans.
Thank you EVERYONE.
I am so happy. Some troops can come home and Osama Bin Laden IS DEAD.
Too bad that had the war in Afghanistan been about capturing or killing bin Laden, our troops could come home tomorrow. But it appears that our objectives have changed.
Thank you to all the men and women who put themselves in danger to protect the people of this country. Men and women who are Democrat and Republican and niether, working together as one to give us the freedom that many of us take for granted. Especially our soldiers and the intelligence people who never took their eye off the prize. Please say a prayer for the people who didn't make it to see this day and for the ones they left behind, may their sacrifice never be forgotten.
Too bad that had the war in Afghanistan been about capturing or killing bin Laden, our troops could come home tomorrow. But it appears that our objectives have changed.
We need to balance a budget and I'm not the only one who wants some troops home. It'll happen. The main target IS DEAD.
Mission accomplished! We finally did what we went there to do. Now we can bring out troops home. There is no longer any reason to stay in Afghanistan. We will never be able to destroy the Al Qaida network because it has spread throughout the middle east. Bring the troops home now not next year or six months from now but now.
Great and most appropriate quote. Mahatma Gandhi's words you have put forward here reminded me of the demise of another murderer of the same calibre, namely Velupillai Prabhakaran, who terrorised a small island nation in SE Asia for a quarter century, and who was killed nearly two years ago bringing peace finally to that nation.
This victorious day for the USA is celebrated by all who seek world peace across nations. All those who involved in achiving this mission, from the military personals who bravely carried out the operation, the intelligent sector personals who painstakingly gathered necessary info that led to the final action and yes, up to their CURRENT commander in chief, yes they ALL deserve the praise of the world citizens. Well done Team USA!
Well I guess we can call off the war on terror now.
Yeah, right.
It was always an excuse to invade other countries and destroy civil liberties at home anyway so I'm sure it won't make any difference.
Bin Laden is dead and Just like after the Soviet Union collapsed nothing will change. We are spending as much now as during the cold war and at the time all of our leaders said that was the only reason we had to have such a huge military and invade Viet Nam, Korea, Dominican Republic, etc. etc. etc.
What a bunch of fools those celebrating are.
Yeah, now all our problems are over because one guy living in a fortified compound half a world away with no power over anything that effects us now is dead.
Wall Street and what President Eisenhower called the "military industrial complex" are much bigger threats to american's life, liberty and standard of living than Bin Laden was and they are still in charge and growing stronger.
Go out and celebrate but your house is still going to be in foreclosure and your job is still going to be sent overseas.
Obama is just the figure head in charge. He nor any other president would have personally tracked down Bin Laden. The intelligence and actions of those on the ground resulted in this.
Not to sound overly cruel, but did anyone else find it odd that the military is taking special care to handle his body in correct Muslim tradition? First off, I don't really think he deserves it, and second, what is the point after you just murdered the man?
Also, I am not a Prez. Obama fan, but it did not seem to me like he was overly taking credit for it; he seemed to spread the good will around, and that is how it should be. To be honest, he probably had nothing to do with it, as would any other President. It is special op's after all that does all the leg work and just reports to the President.
People think they are celebrating because Osama is dead, but they're really celebrating to be at this page in history. If you don't believe in celebrating in the death of others, but still feel good for some reason, it's because you realize history has moved forward. If you deny this feeling (if you have it), you'll only distort your self perception and your moral compass.
You may shake your head at the people celebrating today, but you can't call them a bloodthirsty throng. They, and we, are dealing with issues that have lain dormant and festering in us for quite a while now.
I feel different after hearing this news. This is a peculiar feeling, and as some cynics here have stated, it is not particularly logical. However, I cannot deny it. I can only explore why I feel this way, and what it says about me.
Please do not continue to form your assessment of this issue with just a glance at the headlines and front page pictures. This is a unique thing that happened that people will be talking about for a long time. Do yourself a favor and think about it for a while before you brush it off.
They may even take a picture of a "look-a-like" to try to trick us - just like he thinks he has with that birth certificate! I don't trust anything Obama says - he is such a BIG A**liar!
The fifth comment! You can't make this stuff up. And the usual accusation of lying without a single fact to back it up.
Trying to discredit GWB and credit BO is really futile. The decision to go after Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and strike terrorism where-ever it rests, was 100% GWB'sand nobody elses. In 1990 when GB Sr. went into Kuwait, his approval rating reached 90%. He couldn't be beat. In 1992, Bill Clinton did it on the economy. Also BO made it pretty clear in his speech that Al Qaeda still exists and the battle still goes on. Now, one must question what our purpose is in being in Afghanistan at all? If we don't get out 100%; then, Bin Laden was only an excuse for going in there. Same with Qaddafi. Is it his putting down a revolt or are we really after him?
I don't know why some people can't give the Democrat vs Republican crap a rest for one day. Today is a great day for the World. Today there is no Party line.
Oh please. The forces under Bush's command had Osama within their grasp and let him slip away. The Bush distracted himself with a futile and pointless war in Iraq. Yes, the men and women in the field merit the lion's share of the credit. But they are under civilian command, and the civilians came through. I doubt that many of the people rushing to minimize Obama's contribution to Osama's end blamed the men and women in the field for his being at large for ten years.
Citizen, I believe Clinton was the one who was accused of missing intel before 9/11? How far back do you want to go? Also, Iraq invaded Kuwait and there are those who feel if we had went to Bahgdad in 1990, it would have been finished then.
I rejoice in the incredible and patient work by our armed forces. I stand, as usual, in awe of their determination even under the most critical gaze.
I also smile. I smile at those who today seem so willing to take their bows for a matter they have constantly whined about. Questioned and reproached. I group who has at every turn been detractors and spinners of negativity against those who truly set the death of Bin Laden in motion.
I find it very typical of the Liberal Elite. So willing to lay praise upon themselves and the President who himself quarreled every move up through the years that led to this day. Truth is Obama deserves his small measure of credit for this event. But no more then Bush. But MUCH less then every man and woman who has died or fallen wounded in the fields of Iraq and Afghanistan. Because in the end... the war against either was one and the same. Only those of which I speach would not redily admit the same. No matter how many crafty movies Liberal Hollywood can write and film to prove otherwise.
Thos who detract and attempt to wrestle credit from those who TRULY should be given credit only assure that those who understand them the best and most completely, will always know they are the weak and sneaky, calculating mob that seeks to undermine and detract. The comments concerning Obama being the credited of this action only go to solidify that.
Today is a day to celebrate the death of a tyrant and a murderer. not give credit to one man who makes jokes while his military dies and his people suffer lack of jobs and extreme gasoline and food prices brought on by his drunken sailor spending and the inflation we now suffer from its effects.
Hurray!!! For the Guys in Gals in Uniform. Well done Obama, now sit down and write about 1,000,000 letters to thank all of those people who have graciously given you this momentary "Bump" in your spiraling polls. They worked and died for it... You may as well thank them. But spare us your typical arrogant gaze, many have died that you may dance on the grave of your Nations enemy. An enemy that I am not so certain was your own without it giving you the ability to hold the office you now briefly hold.
Let me remind you, Mr. Obama. The first President Bush won the Persian Gulf war and brought his troops home as hero's... Less then 2 years later he was moving out of the White House. People understand where truth comes from and who really should get credit for victories... People who steal or who are wrongfully given the thunder of others by their pundits rarely last.
where Barak Hussain Obama clearly says ".... but its important to know that our conter-terrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to Bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding. Indeed Bin Laden had declared war against Pakistan as well and ordered attacks against the Pakistani people. Tonight i call President Zardari and my team has also spoken with their Pakistani counterparts. They agree that this is a good and historic day for both our nations....."
"Our War is not against Islam. Bin Laden was not a Muslim Leader. He was a Mass Murderer who murdered scores of Muslims......"
Not to sound overly cruel, but did anyone else find it odd that the military is taking special care to handle his body in correct Muslim tradition?
I guess the idea is that we don't want to enrage the Muslim world--but the people who will want revenge for his death aren't really going to be pacified just because we respect the corpse.
I think it is also important to note that the Pakistani leader is placing himself in danger by being seen as an ally of this nation. I have questions about the true intentions of the Pakistani leadership, just like many Americans, but I can't overlook this fact.
Ten @!$%#en years later.Why was the body desposed of at sea?why no pics, why no DNA tests? This is the us govt telling you this,they have No credibility. Where is the proof?
So What,there are millions more to take his place.NOTHING HAS CHANGED!
I have this odd feeling this is the lead up to something much bigger, like for instance, boots on the ground in Libya, the invasion of Syria, or the collapse of the dollar. I normally wouldn't buy into the conspiracy nonsense, as anyone who has read my posts can tell when I get ahold of a birther or a fals flag truther......but this is all just too.....convenient.
I find it interesting that now we hear that OBL has been buried at sea. So let the conspiracy theories begin. Did we really kill him? Is a picture good enough? Are we to trust Obama about Osama? I can guarantee that this is what other countries will ask.
President Obama finalized the final operation, so he was involved and aware of the operation. As would any American President at this point been engaged I should think. He had 5 National Security Briefings in recent weeks as the operations planning was set in place.
I for one am glad that the military is following Muslim Customs in handling the body of Osama Bin Laden. There is no point in inflaming more religion based resentment than already exists. We do not need to proverbially drag the corps around the city three times. To do so would only hand a PR victory to radial Islam to off set this defeat for them. It would be foolish to give them any opportunity to play into their "The West has declared War on Islam" propaganda.
Awesome news! And now the afterbirthers will have something new to froth at the mouth about. And I see they haven't wasted any time, judging by the number of collapsed posts already.
To all those people that are COLLAPSING POSTS.... I would say that 95% of those posts did not contain anything offensive or against Newsvine policies. They were only collapsed because their views (political or otherwise) were contrary to your own.
And yet you wave your American flags, quote the constitution, sing the praises of FREE SPEECH, but you take it upon yourselves to censor contrary opinions.
It shows that you have no idea what it means to be an American. It means you have no idea what it means to be a true Christian. (I'm not Christian, but I'm making the point)
And the name of the game is Hypocrisy!
You think it's just a game? Liberals vs. Conservatives. Yankees fans vs. Mets fans. My team is better than yours, my president is better than yours, so screw you. Childish, self-absorbed, close minded, hate filled minds.
Osama was killed tonight because he was all of those things, he was a terrorist that hated America and what it stood for. Freedom. Freedom of speech. Our soldiers risked their lives to destroy this man and his values, and here you are acting in a very similar way. Ironic to say the least.
What kind of American are you? What kind of America do you want to live in?
Major kudos to the US military, the CIA, and Obama for ridding us and the rest of the world of this evil man and his terrible influence. They deserve equal credit in allowing us to perhaps close this particularly ugly chapter in history, and it is wrong to deny any of them that.
I was not aware Bin Laden had been burried at sea already. Now I don't know how they got DNA results so quickly. It is my understanding it takes many days or even weeks to get those results. Someone correct me if I am wrong. i am not saying that Bin Laden isn't dead but to have DNA proof such a short time after the death is pushing the envelope of technology pretty hard.
Buried at sea !!! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS !!!!!!!!! Now we will NEVER NEVER NEVER know if he is truly dead or if President Obama just gave him a backdoor pardon and set him free. Free to kill again. And again. And again. He will---FOREVER---be a martyr, a rallying point for our enemies. and we will FOREVER be unable to defend ourselves. Not only could we have, but we should have, buried him on our own soil. That way no one could ever have charged that he is not dead, and our President not only engaged in the cover-up, but he authored it. PRESIDENT OBAMA SHOULD BE IMPEACHED FOR PLACING OUR LAND UNDER GREAT DANGER. After the impeachment and separate from it HE SHOULD BE TRIED FOR TREASON. PERIOD! PERIOD! PERIOD!
I'd love to talk to the guy(s) that pulled the trigger(s) on the weapon(s) that actually killed OBL. They should never have to buy another drink for the rest of their lives, to say the very least.
That must have been a rush (and a half), even for SEALs. What a story to be able to tell your grandkids someday. Heros all, in my book.
I'm ex-Navy, but my only real contact with SEALs was social, in clubs and such. It's hard to explain, but they are the sanest crazy people (or craziest sane people?) you could ever expect to meet. I totally respect those guys and what they do, and they certainly have my undying gratitude now...that's for sure.
Congrats to the USN SEALs and CIA operatives involved in this victory. Congrats also to the families and survivors affected by 9/11. And specials congrats to FDNY and NYPD. It was a long time coming, but justice was finally served.
Even if, as our President has informed us, he was captured and killed, even if that is the absolute truth, we will never know, nor will we ever know. As for the DNA test, Obsama could have easily donated those cells alive, just before---with Obama's apparent permission---he slipped out the door and into the night. IF NOTHING ELSE, this shows an appalling lack of common sense on the part of President Obama.
Thank you LEEE, you made a point that I agree with. Funny, if it isn't political correct, we all go run and hide from it.
Now... about that 'burying at sea' stuff. I suggest you guys go back down and get it. If he really was buried at sea, that was a fundamentally dumb thing to do, especially doing it so soon.
We have bodied that sit at the morgue for days while they run autopsies, yet they decided to bury Obama 'at sea' within hours. hmmmmmm....
Congress should use its constitutional authority to override Obama and launch a massive deep sea search for the body, just as was done to retrieve the body of John F. Kennedy, Jr. WHETHER OR NOT the body is found, President Obama should be impeached and tried for treason.
(Tears) thank you President Obama, also for WMD in Iraq, Saddam Hussein had plenty of time to hide them before invasion and Iraqis have a history of buring things quite deep and hard to find. If they bury a MiG-25 Foxbat completely sand, then can bury WMDs much faster. But anyways back on topic. Its a good thing the news were told about us looknig for him, then these iditos would have announced it and he would end getting away again because of one moron. But I am glad he is a goner. I will visit the World Trade Center after I get out of Iraq and see whats there now. I used to go through the train station there a lot when I was a kid. Good times.
Matilda. Come on now. I don't like Obama most of the time either, but you are acting erratic. This should be a day of happiness for this country.
It doesn't mean we follow the President like Lemmings like the left do. Lets just say it is a Great Day for America.
The left should stop making political jabs such as the Iraq War because they seriously have no real conception of the intelligence agencies and the work that has been done throughout the years to build leads, cases, and operations.
Not too mention. I thought the left doesn't like assassinations or special forces? I thought the left doesn't like treading on the sovereignty of other countries?
This is wonderful news for all Americans and especially for those who were directly victimized by the attacks on 9/11. This is good news for all nations who've suffered from terrorists attacks for decade upon decade. There's one less head on the proverbial snake today and that's a good thing.
It is sad and sickening to see the level of vitriol and disdain being spread on this Newsvine. No matter your political ideology and/or party affiliation, and because this isn't ABOUT you, you and the collective "we", should be gracious and grateful for the work of the intelligence community and our armed forces in finally taking out this kingpin or terror.
Oh course acts of terror will continue. Of course there will be those who will want to seek retribution for the assassination of Osama bin Laden. Of course the U.S. will will have to remain vigilant and cautious. No matter who the POTUS might be going forward, this POTUS, as Commander In Chief, gets to take credit for the kill. That's the way it goes, whether you like him or despise him. He graciously and appropriately acknowledged the efforts of President Bush under his two consecutive administrations to fight the war on terror. President Bush responded appropriately and in good taste. That's good, right?
It is unfortunate that the American people do not operate on a similar platform and, rather, prefer to backbite and curse one another on what should be a day of a collective sigh of sweet relief.
I pity the soiled souls that are walking around out there with such bitterness, hatred, bigotry and narrow mindedness these days. There's a cure for that, but it would require you to let go of your hatred for one another. I will hope, but I won't hold my breath.
Congratulations and many thanks to those on the ground who carried out this mission. May God bless you and keep you until you return safely home.
Avenger- the DNA results are still pending, it says that in the article.
To the dopey conspiracy theorists that think that proof that it was OBL was lost at sea, that takes the cake. It doesn't matter what evidence is shown and how clearly- you'll still prattle on and bore the rest of us with your nonsense. The only proof that I agree would have been better is if Osama was taken captive, but I never thought that he would be taken alive.
To follow up on my comment #2- 150. I just searched for the answer to my question. I found a forensic scientist article that lays out the minimum time line to determine DNA. According to him it would take a minimum of 54 hours and 15 minutes to reach a conclusion of DNA evidence in a best case scenario If this is true and the invasion took place early Sunday then there is no way to have DNA proof a few hours later. Especially since it took place in the middle of no where.
I certainly hope proper verification was done. I hope the only reason this looks suspicious is because we have gotten the wrong time line. I hope this isn't a mistake in identity
Avenger-2464988-3198341 - Here is the direct quote from the article saying specifically that the results of DNA testing have not come back yet, lest you feed fire to the conspiracy theorists (which may be your intention):
The U.S. was conducting DNA testing and used facial recognition techniques to help formally identify him, Reuters reported. Results of the DNA tests were expected to be available in the next few days.
No I was not trying to feed any fires. I was curious because the time line was too short it appeared and as you point out I had not read the article correctly. I have a contact in the military and just received a message back that they have foresic people in the filed and CAN get preliminary verification in just a couple of hours. They will do a full profile to verify the preliminary findings.
We have all looked forward to this day for so long. I surely didn't want to hear down the road the "we goofed" . As i said earlier I don't care who takes or gets credit for this. It was a joint effort. the main thing it is done and we know for sure.
I remember the feelings that went thru me on 9/11 like it was yesterday...We've sent a clear message to the terrorist community and even to those who are compilicit: "Don't Tread On Me"
I've never been prouder to be an American...God Bless the USA...
The Seals were aiming for right between the eyes. I guess the sight of the Navy Seals and The CIA, made Bin Laden's eye's bulge out his head, like a cartoon. So they blew his left eye right out the back of his head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great day for America, Justice for the innocent lost souls of 9-11
Glad he is gone. Unluckiest man -Bin laden. Luckiest-Seal who shot him. What a great day for the US and its allies who are not afraid to go after terrorists. What a shame for all the morons who think this guy was a hero.
I do not care if it pisses off any Arab. If you believe in his ideals you deserve the same. As someone who gave 3 years of his life in Afghanistan, I am happy for our military winning this psychological game. It is such a moral booster.
It is a better day without him breathing. Thank you Navy Seals and CIA. Thank you to all my fellow soldiers and families. Thank you for your sacrifices.
Good, the figurehead of Jihad is dead. Hopefully with his passing fewer young people will see him as hero and join Al Qaeda. The only question I have is where did all the kids come from celebrating outside the White House? That neighborhood is one of the worst places in DC. It's not like they would have poured out of their homes there and started celebrating.
Not to sound overly cruel, but did anyone else find it odd that the military is taking special care to handle his body in correct Muslim tradition? First off, I don't really think he deserves it, and second, what is the point after you just murdered the man?
Also, I am not a Prez. Obama fan, but it did not seem to me like he was overly taking credit for it; he seemed to spread the good will around, and that is how it should be. To be honest, he probably had nothing to do with it, as would any other President. It is special op's after all that does all the leg work and just reports to the President.
I completely agree with this comment EXCEPT Obama DID ORDER THE HIT. As you probably know he is Special Forces' BOSS. They can not kill anyone without his authorization.
AND LEEEEEEEEE IS THE BEST! Don't be a hypocrite. Be an American. STOP COLLAPSING POSTS. Leeeeeee reminds us that differing viewpoints are the USA.
I have no doubt that they killed Osama Bin Laden. And they probably took whatever they needed from his body before throwing it overboard. I love the fact that sharks probably ate it. I hope they did not get indigestion.
Sven - Washington DC has one of the best public transportation systems. There are many colleges/universities there and it's close to finals. The kids were probably studying and heard the news on social websites.
I feel a little weird being *happy* someone has been killed... but I think I'll make an exception in this case. I'm just glad to see this man gone, gone from being able to be cause havoc and evil, gone from being able to kill and and inflict misery and suffering. If I believed in hell, I'd hope he rot in it.
I'm thankful for the intense and hard work of our military men and women, and our CIA who made this possible. I've been extraordinarily frustrated with President Obama recently due to his "progressive" handling of the economy & fiscal issues, but I would not deny this is a good moment for his Administration, and I'm glad for the work that anyone involved with his Adminsitration did to make this happen as well. I wouldn't have cared who helped accomplish this, I'm just glad it is done.
As per our Great Seal, we'll extend the olive branch and prefer it, but the arrows are at the ready for those who would do us harm.
I do have to wonder at Pakistan... there's some glaring questions there as to their involvement in Bin Laden's hiding. I know we've still got ourselves in a mess between Afghanistan, Libya, and our economy...
But for now, I'm just going to be relieved this is done.
Ten @!$%#en years later.Why was the body desposed of at sea?why no pics, why no DNA tests? This is the us govt telling you this,they have No credibility. Where is the proof?
I would bet good money that his butt is in a cold storage facility in Virginia.
"it took this President two and a half years to do what the previous one couldn't do in seven and a half" - Carianne
I'm sorry, I didn't realize we were talking about the growth of the national debt.
I'm not going to down Obama for this, but praising him for it is just as ridiculous. Perhaps you all missed the part of the article that said:
"Abbottabad is home to three Pakistan army regiments and thousands of military personnel"
...and...
"Bin Laden was holed up in a two-story house 100 yards from a Pakistani military academy"
So you're praising Obama like some kind of superhero because the Pakistani government finally felt threatened enough by Al Queda to tell us where Bin Laden was? And even though he was "100 yards from a Pakistani military academy" it took us 8 whole months to pull the not-so-metaphorical trigger on the action???
I congratulate our military and intelligence units for their hard work and a job well done. However, praise Obama? He just approved an order that any rational person would in the same circumstance. The rainbows and unicorns crew is unbelievable.
What's really funny is a friend and I went to this new gun range on Saturday evening. I haven't gone shooting in over a year. We bought one target of Bin Laden. It was the last one we shot at. My buddy put one right between his eyes at 30 feet and I followed up with one directly through his left eye. Kind of a strange coincidence.
What a surprise - Obama supporters are giving HIM credit for killing Bin Laden.
If anything, it's a miracle they got him at all with Obama's restrictive rules of engagement. It's a wonder he even allowed the CIA operatives to carry guns.
obama gave the final order? No, he gave the authorization to carry out the attack. I hope he doesn't break his arm patting himself on the back.
What is wrong with you? This is the same thing. You are NOT a linguist. Get over yourself.
I came back on this seed to let everyone know that Obama called Bush Jr. to tell him before telling us. That should tell you something. In case you can not figure it out, Bush started this and Obama finished it.
And Special Forces carried it out as ordered or authorized by Obama.
What a surprise - Obama supporters are giving HIM credit for killing Bin Laden.
So is Peter King, Republican, Dick Cheney, ex VP, and a host of other republicans, as well as PM of UK Cameron and other world leaders. Get used to it......Obama is going to get some credit.
I know it kills you guys on the far right, I can hear it in the tone of your posts. You sure like to give Bush credit for getting Saddam, so you ought not be a hippocrite.
Its a good day for the Intelligence Community, the US Military and yes, also PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA
Tim, Seattle...you've confused giving congratulations with with giving credit. I congratulate Obama. I don't, however, praise him or give him credit. For doing what? Al Queda threatening the Pakistani government so much that they finally told us where he was? Bin Laden was 100 yards from a Pakistani military academy in a city full of Pakistani troops.
Not to down Obama, but meanwhile we had been constantly strafing Pakistan's border with drone attacks when Bin Laden was over a hundred of miles away. I say that to make the point that nothing Obama himself did contributed to Bin Laden falling into our laps.
I'm just glad Six got to deep six his sorry @$$. That he had to look an American in the eyes when they put one is head and it wasn't some random drone dropping a bomb that got him. Hoo yah!
I'm sorry, this was a great day for America, but are some of you really overlooking the fact that we dumped his body in the ocean? That doesn't set off people's "something ain't right" alarms? I mean, I think the birthers are nuts, and the fals flaggers are worse then that,even, but to destroy evidence in a manner where it can never be reporduced? The government routinely lies to us. They know we know this. And this is how they choose to handle this? Something isn't right about all of this.....there is one thing that is right, and it's the devil's pitchfork up Osama's ass.......bit still....something isn't right....
Facts: Not at all. Think of this. Islamic rites indicates that the body has to be laid to rest on the ground (not water) on a specific manner (sideways) looking towards Mecca. By dumping his body in the water they ensured four things:
A- He won't get his 'proper' entrance to heaven (kiss the 72 virgins good-bye).
B- He won't be able to 'raise from the dead' on judgment day.
C- Where they're going to put the tombstone for those other fanatics to go and pray? (this is the best one for me, they can go to the middle of the ocean and jump on the water...)
D- If I don't have the body, I won't have those wackos trying to 'recover' him.
You know that the government will never tell us the whole truth, there are too many interests involved, especially in intelligence with people and agents in place, which if mentioned, they would be killed.
I misread "one" of your comments. My error. With so many descenting posts, it's somewhat underwhelming. I don't know about the rest of what you have stated...
The story is getting more and more convoluted. They say people, when they lie, get overly specific in details. The news is changing the story every few minutes. Something isn't right here......
I'm all for being happy for Obama and Bush, and the rest of them.......but this is just setting off my BS meter like CRAZY!
I misread "one" of your comments. My error. With so many descenting posts, it's somewhat underwhelming. I don't know about the rest of what you have stated...
Thank you for the apology. I also hoped you learned the lesson about ASSUMPTIONS.
You should never assume that you know what a person is going to say. That helps a person to listen better.
We need a LOT more of that to happen in Washington. We can't keep putting people in either Republican or Democratic buckets because 2 SIZES DO NOT FIT ALL.
Most of us are somewhere in the middle but polarization by extremes keeps us at the opposite ends of the spectrum.
It is one of my missions in life to get people to listen and see the other side and maybe we can meet somewhere in the middle.
Well I guess we can call off the war on terror now.
Yeah, right.
It was always an excuse to invade other countries and destroy civil liberties at home anyway so I'm sure it won't make any difference.
Bin Laden is dead and Just like after the Soviet Union collapsed nothing will change. We are spending as much now as during the cold war and at the time all of our leaders said that was the only reason we had to have such a huge military and invade Viet Nam, Korea, Dominican Republic, etc. etc. etc.
What a bunch of fools those celebrating are.
Yeah, now all our problems are over because one guy living in a fortified compound half a world away with no power over anything that effects us now is dead.
Wall Street and what President Eisenhower called the "military industrial complex" are much bigger threats to american's life, liberty and standard of living than Bin Laden was and they are still in charge and growing stronger.
Go out and celebrate but your house is still going to be in foreclosure and your job is still going to be sent overseas.
I wouldn't cheer to loudly because Obama got Osama.
This could give Obama a lot of what G. Bush called "political capitol" and he will probably use it in collaboration with the right wing of the Democratic Party and the Republicans to cut or even destroy Social Security and Medicare or just severely cut federal spending on programs that help the average working american.
He's planning on cutting trillions from the budget in the coming years.
Despite all of the nut ball accusations from the looney Right that the president is a "socialist" he a pretty right wing guy himself.
His plan to cut the deficit would be considered extreme and socially brutal and unfair if he didn't have the even more extreme and brutal Republican Party to play off of.
This could give him the political cover to do it or at least try to.
Another right-wing Democrat very much like Obama, Bill Clinton, wanted to privatize Social Security and had someone working on a plan but Bill had a loose trouser fly problem and the fall out from the Monica Lewinsky affair derailed his attempt to do it.
Unfortunately in this case, I think Obama is a much more disciplined guy.
Karen in L.A. #2.180 - I suggest you get out of the City of Angels for a few breaths of fresh air. There is a very big difference between authorizing ("you may") and ordering ("you must"). I never professed to be a linguist. But I do understand the difference between permitting and demanding.
If you didn't spend so much time trolling you would have time to digest subtle nuances and glaring discrepancies.
the thinker...The President authorized this particular action over other choices...so I say well done. When I said bring em home...I meant the troops...
I agree about the BS our government tries to feed us, however in this case I'm fine with it.
I think Bin Laden got complacent. He had enough money to put in a "panic room" or some kind of escape tunnels to respond to the inevitable. Certainly that chopper going down in his compound must have alerted him.
It all worked...we were good, and we were lucky...
It's probably the last in ratings because there are more facts and less shock and schlock. Read the posts here, all regurgitated editorials from extremists talking heads.
DNA says it is that bastard so I am drinking drinks for the ONES WHO DID NOT LIVE TO HEAR THIS ........HOO RAH AND RANGERS LEAD THE WAY. The bastard is DEAD. GOD BLESS AMERICA
It's a volcano cult with a fire GOD that committed it's own supposed genocide.. Of course GOD will bless killing... It's Yahweh, the devouring fire. ;) And its funny that Christians and Muslims fight over the same fire GOD for attention ;)
I'd be drinking to this too, if it weren't for the fact that I'm on duty :-( Tomorrow, perhaps. What a HUGE victory for all those who've been fighting, and let that teach any terrorist: You may think you'll get away with your disgusting murdering, but it's only a matter of time before you're caught. We will ALWAYS prevail! We got him, as you terrorists knew we would. Who's next!?
Congratulation to the Special Ops for carrying out the mission Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaa the pig head is blown to pieces he ain't invicible after all. Any Islamist object what was done can go to hell . Liberals will cringe and wants investigation how it was carried out
NATO is about 70% United States military. Their military operations leader is a USN Admiral. The planes and munitions used are almost solely American. You can frame it any way you'd like, but the US is waging war against Libya as we speak, and Obama knows this. Thus why he made sure to make it sound like he gave this radical policy shift to the CIA to make finding Osama priority one.....as if they had forgotten that was the main point of the war on terror. Give me a break.
You can thank GWB and the Military/Intelligence personnel now.
Osama dead means nothing. Nothing has changed. We are in 2 Vietnams and about to start a third. Yeah I am the dumb one..carry on.
John, where is your info from..the AP? White House? Nato?
The MOMENT they put this on the air you drink up all the facts they give you and regurgitate it. I do not even know what a teabagger is except on video games. I am very in touch. I see millions of people, just like you, cheering for the people that have given you 6 dollar a gallon gas, 35% under-employment rate, and lies upon lies.
It seems like you enjoy it. You realize every gallon of gas used to catch this guy cost 100 dollars in theatre? No, you would not understand how that in turn pushes the price of gas for normal people...anyway..go back to your cheering sheep friends and party down.
How would you like it if Russia came into DC and bombed and almost killed congress? Would you support the Russians? NO
SO flip that...why are you supporting what you would be against if it happened to you. I can tell you why.
Here's your sign.
You are being played like a fiddle and you LIKE IT. Enjoy it while it lasts. Your credit cards are about to run out. The US dollar has major devaluation daily. You have the fed daily printing money that is worthless and flooding the market with it. Enjoy while you can.
Blow the heads of his key followers and supporters and nuke the areas in Pakistan where he was found.
World will be safer place and we will not have to live in fear everywhere.
Also for a safer world, nuke the key Sunni Islamic radical breeding places in Saudi Arabia to remove future problems from these Sunni barbaric and beastly radicals, terrorists and their supporters.
And yet Mark you don't provided any peer reviewed data to actually support your arguments. I suggest you learn what the scientific method is before you start spouting of conspiracy theories.
However, I can understand your argument about how the US over stretches it's military option.. Have you ever seen the movie War made easy?
Mark: You are not just dumb, man, your hatred overrides your mind. You appear a damned fool, and your post raises serious questions about your mental health.
No, Gen, he fought, and used a women as a human shield. Brave wasn't he? That's a fact, not a probably. It took a week to comfirm because they had to have his birth certificate. That's a joke.
FactsnotRhetoric, you would give GWB the credit no matter how many years out of office it took us.
The fact is that Obama knew about this location eight months ago, and has had five national security meetings about this specifically. How many meetings did GWB hold on specifically killing or capturing UBL, not Sadaam Hussein?
No, George W Bush made it crystal clear which war he was backing, and which war he cared to declare "Mission Accomplished" for. If you want to pin a little medal on GWB for a job well done then give it to him for Iraq; its what he wanted, and killing Sadaam vindicates his daddy so let him have it.
Obama doubled down on Afghanistan, Obama brought Patraeus in, Obama took on this war (thats why it has been long dubbed "Obama's War") and had this went onto 2012 and Obama lost his presidency better believe it would have been Obama the neo-cons would have hung this war on.
Don't be a sore neo-con. Give the Commander in Chief his just due, or shut up till the next guy is sworn in.
That's quite a cowardly act, isn't it. It speaks volumes about Bin Laden's true character. LOL. Good joke . ;)
Had Enough,
That is quite disgusting, isn't it. The neoCON teabaggers really are in full blown denial and full blown prejudice. They really do represent everything that is wrong with our country.
The Presidential order, 40 or so SEAL's, and Osama gets a bullet in the head. Good job President Obama, Navy Seals, and anybody else that brought about the demise of Osama. It is to have a President walks the talk
The fact is that Obama knew about this location eight months ago, and has had five national security meetings about this specifically. How many meetings did GWB hold on specifically killing or capturing UBL, not Sadaam Hussein?
Evidence?
And if so, what makes you think attacking a location guarantee's a kill or success? Little clue son, Someone needs to be HOME for it to work!.. Kind of like striking when it's actually going to result in killing the intended target. And this doesn't include the lagistics of getting in and out of Pakistan that is said to be helping him.. This includes getting to know the area around the compound, who's friend and foe, ect.. You don't just walk in and say hi!. And you have to validate your intelligence if you are going to target him in a sovereign country you are not at war with.. You obviously have no idea what it takes to get in and get the job done the right way.. And to get a confirm kill means getting the body.. Bombing it would have left nothing to confirm, and all you would get then is a Ghost to chase. And the Muslim world wouldn't mind the fact that you would be chasing a Ghost around to the point of pure embarrassment and to the point of making him a GOD in their world.
So yeah, Obama did it right.. And didn't knee jerk himself into a stupid move that would likely have left him and America empty handed.
And I can't stress enough the differences between this strike and the one on Saddam was. We weren't occupying Pakistan with over 100 thousand troops, or combing through Bin Lauden's hometown either.. Nor was Osama dumb enough to go and hide in his own hometown. Saddam turned out to be as smart as someone who puts their computer or bank password as password. :/ He was easy to find apparently ;)
I'm just saying.....Obama won't take responsibility for anything unless it's good. Everything else he's more then happy to blame on Bush. That's not how it works. That's like Hitler saying he was only responsible for the growth of a nation, and his opposition was responsible for the Holocaust. You have to take the good with the bad. If you don't want to take responsibility for your terrible policies, you don't get credit when things come to fruition that started during that same time. I don't care who he had meetings with, or if he thinks he made capturing Osama priority one, as if it had slipped down the list.
I do find it funny however that you started your post with "You would give GWB credit no matter how far out of office he was". Funny, you all have no problem blaming him for everything, no matter how far out of office he is.
Deal with it. You started this BS line of "What started under Bush is Bush's alone.". Well ,guess what? This all started under Bush. I give Obama credit where credit is due. But trying to act like he brought about some radical policy change that led to this capture/kill is ridiculous and self serving.
I agree with the Homeland Security Chairman's assessment that both presidents contributed equally to the event. Based on the rhetoric in the article, it seems that presidents share this opinion, and additionally do not care as much as the rest of you about which of them deserves the laud.
Both the presidents and the chiefs of staff knew going into this that the majority of the credit would go to Lady Luck. The rest goes to the teamwork of strategic minds, the training of our armed services, and the long overdue validation of our intelligence operations.
Personally, I think Jack Lynch, who lost his son (a New York City Firefighter) said it best when referring to the news of Bin Laden's death - "... it didn't bring my son back." and "The fact that he's gone is not going to stop terrorism."
SHUT UP ciewytb42mh6sps-23, If an idiot like you knew for a fact Obama had 5 security briefings on Bin Ladens whereabouts for the last 8 months he'd still be alive! How many times did George W. Bush have Bin Laden's location and decided to let him go? "Obama doubled down in Afghanistan", and he was clipped in Pakistan?
Kumar, Lucifer is not a Muslim and he is not the devil or satan. He however is dead and buried. He was a Babylonian by the name of Nebuchadnezzar, in fact King Nebuchadnezzar.
Ok, for the peanutty gallery who cant follow the news story on their own HERE'S YOUR E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E. Fender, looking at you, kid:
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A FOOL be YOU, sir!
BTW, no one may have told you this in the asylum, numbnutz, but we're officially fighting in AFGHANISTAN, not Pakistan (we only have situational permission to conduct operations within Pakistan). Nice try, kid.
One related point that needs to be made here. Since Aug., 2010, they had an idea where Bin Laden was. Not 1 government, 1 news agency, no wiki leaks, no PFC. Manning, nothing leaked out. He was dead for a week before it was released. Can the government clamp down on public info----there it is. IF anything at all would have gotten out, Bin Laden would have moved and the chase would have begun over again. Without saying names, this should emphasis the importance of secrecy. NO, we don't have to know every move our government makes.
where Barak Hussain Obama clearly says ".... but its important to know that our conter-terrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to Bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding. Indeed Bin Laden had declared war against Pakistan as well and ordered attacks against the Pakistani people. Tonight i call President Zardari and my team has also spoken with their Pakistani counterparts. They agree that this is a good and historic day for both our nations....."
"Our War is not against Islam. Bin Laden was not a Muslim Leader. He was a Mass Murderer who murdered scores of Muslims......"
Bin Laden didn't have any balls. That's why he recruited young people as suicide bombers to do his dirty work, then he hid like a coward for ten years.
.....does no one find it a tad odd that we have suddenly buried him at sea? That's a nice, easy way to get rid of evidence that we didn't in fact have Osama. I await his next video where he laughs at us for trying to fake his death. This all seems very Keystone Kops to me......I'm hoping he's really dead, but the fact that we dumped his body at sea is VERY suspect....
Body buried at sea? Islamic law? Never knew they used the sea as a cemetery? I don't like the way this sounds anymore? DNA, atleast? Pictures, I would think? I guess it comes down to belief or not? This could be another Jimmy Hoffa, Natalee Hollaway saga? Dead, but no body. Elation is turning to doubt. Might be they don't want anyone going after the body? If he turns up again, this may be the biggest embarrassment we've had in awhile.
I have to admit that I'm equally skeptical of the scenario as outlined - it's all just a little too pat.
I'm also a little unsure why everyone is in such a celebratory mood - what's changed? It will continue to be a hassle to get on an airplane; we'll still be under massive surveillance (because we approved it); the economy's still in tatters; oil prices will still reach an all time high this summer; our government is still abetting corporations in looting our accrued wealth while it works to solidify the American aristocracy's place in society....nothing is going back to the way it was, the country has nearly torn itself apart over the past decade, and I see no signs that the wounds will heal anytime soon.
But...and I suppose this is the truly important point...one more critic of American imperialism has been silenced, and so we can continue on in our blissful but obdurate trek toward servility without being tormented by those who still have a conscience. I was no fan of ObL, but this country is still FoS.
BTW, we'll still need a new bogey man to keep everyone scared and in line....what do you think they'll trot out next? I'm in no rush to see the new model.....
fenderbluesjr, you'd better get your facts straight. Obama knew where Bin Laden was since last August. So your arguement that the Bush administration knew where he was and did nothing is quite stupid. In fact, one could argue that the timing of this operation is highly suspect given that there is a presidential election coming up soon.
David, We have him already----Qaddafi----been there---tried in '86---if he survives, he won't take what we've done to him too lightly. We've hit his compound twice, got some of his family, but he's still there. Terror is part of his repertoire and he just may get cranked up again. We have plenty of people who can get in, get out, and get the job done. One wonder what a bunch of rag tag rebels are doing dictating the cease fires/truce??
Demar, ciewy alluded to a false fact that President Bush wasn't interested in hunting down Bin Laden, not me pal. You might want to get your reading glasses straight demar. Demar it's also true this will be a re-election tool, but we both know this killing is pure luck. If Obama was that sharp, Bin Laden would have slept with the fishes in mid 2012. But don't worry, he's got Bill Daley to run the political spin for the up coming campaign. But it'll only work on the short term memory voters and those who don't do their homework. Or,the ones that don't read the entire story,demar.
common sense....How would you like it if Russia came into DC and bombed....?
I would not like that at all. I didn't like it when bin Laden did it, either. The world is a better place because bin Laden is dead. He was an evil man.
tyler: I hope you get paid well, I don't know how you can stand to play referee over many very childish remarks. I read your 'buttholes' reprimand and had to laugh, reminds me of when I taught school:)
@ Svenolafson: Ahem.... actually, those were not my comments.... they were said by your President..... Yes. Mr. Obama! Sheesh!
@ Jonathan-1982062: While I know you will continue with your lame retorts against Pakistanis and your hatefull comments against Muslims generally (and no one in this world can help you with that), I would just like to point out that I dont't need to defend Pakistan on another Stupid forum because this time your President is doing the job: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42852983#42852983?from=en-us_msnhp>1=43001 If hatefull illiterates like yourself cant read, i hope they can hear......
Great job boys! Now Mr. President bring our brave warriors home MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!! What a great country we have now hang his STANK ASS from the Washington monument!
Yeah, but instead murdered his grandchildren. Oops.
Funny, I don't see Cindy Sheehan or the rest of you hypocritical liberals in front of the White House protesting us predator drone carpet bombing a sovereign country and killing children.
So what? Qaddafi Duck was behind killing hundreds of Americans. Technically we should have iced his ass back in the '90s.
Pakistan has been playing us for fools for too many years. If they don't want to cooperate in helping us stop Al Qaeda, then they can get the hell out of our way.
Sandie, I didn't expect you to answer that. It was meant as sarcasm. Qaddafi's the one we need to ice. Hopefully his sons get that message, and give up.
More huge numbers of Islamic Sunni religious beasts to go!
These Isalmic religious beasts did not bother about any rules, laws, humanitarian considerations, while killing poor innocent people all over the world.
Genocides, terrorism and spreading fear are major Islamic weapons being used. We have to face them more ruthlessly.
Why should we care?
Take over all the oil rich fields in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE and other ME places.
At least, there will be less numbers of mosques, hate preaching and killer training centers all over the world.
Me too, fielder. It was the first phrase to run through my head. Are we a people susceptible to pop culture or what.?
As for the deaths of Gadhafi's grandchildren. The U.N. forces did not put those children in harm's way, the Gadhafi family did. The could have followed the example of the Brits during WWII and evacuated those kids to a place of safety.
Nonetheless, the U.N. troops incl from the U.S. should withdraw and let the Libyans fight amongst themselves.
The really insulting part of this entire ordeal is all the politicians that are going to attempt to use this news as tool to further advance their own agenda and boost their own rating among voters. This is NOT a Republican, Democrat, or any other political party victory.
I've been singing that song every since I heard the news! I say we make this a National Holiday, May 1st. the day the wicked witch of the mid-east was taken out by American Navy Seals!
John Williams---nam---vet: We do NOT have his body with a bullet in his head!!! That was my very point. I have no problems with the "search and destroy" mission as the POTUS described it until---through his own actions, whether through malice afore thought or just plain old-fashioned stupidity, he deliberately destroyed ALL the evidence. Period. To paraphrase Winston Churchill, "That is a situation up with which we should not put." IMPEACH, now! Try for treason later!
Can all Americans take a moment of festivity on Monday to dance in the streets like the terrorist scum did after 9/11? Game over and no reset button..........
Actually, the less attention Americans give to this news the more powerful of a slap in the face it will be to Islamic terrorists. Nothing will piss them off more than to see their kind be largely ignored. But the media has too much money to make off this story.
Jack you must be retired and certainly out of touch, this is a great day, broadcast the hell out of the death of a murderer, parade his head down Times Square on a stick :)
I thought the same thing Bill. Let's dance in the street and show them the video. Let THEM drown in their misery. I'll even throw candy to all the kids...
Who said it wasn't a great day? You apparently don't comprehend how the war of minds works.. You go out in the streets and cheer ect you are giving a killer more respect that he deserves, and your enemy will find that funny because you let it affect you that much.. Ignore the man and he just becomes just that guy..err whatever his name was. The news media will glorify him, you watch.. Next up, documentaries ect.. Kind of what they do with mass serial killers. They give them catchy names and glorify them to make high ratings and big bucks. Next comes the books and movies ect. It's no wonder why you have copycats ect. Everyone wants to be immortalized these days. And you clearly don't comprehend how the Martyr system works in the Muslim world.
We killed a combatant. We did not bring him to justice and get a conviction of the dude. There are 5 million more to take his place. This is nothing but a card played to try to keep the people thinking the gov is acting in their interests.
It will deflate them for awhile, but not for long. You are facing insurgents/rebels, not Al Qaeda in Afghanistan for the most part. When we start going bonkers with the Predator strikes again they will get pissed when the body count goes up. Bin Laden has nothing to do with the motivation of the Taliban and their new recruits. Their motivation is the same as when they took on the Soviets.
Robert-3107100 Their motivation is the same as when they took on the Soviets.
And the CIA and who trained those afgan mujahideen AKA modern day terrorists? From 1979 to 1989 when the Soviets withdrew. That was a ten year war. And Osama was apart of that training. Now were over there. Now that Osama is dead bring our troops home. And bomb from the air when needed.
Great job today Special forces hope you get that 25 million reward money
Yes Robert, and that is why Afghanistan is a pointless quagmire overall. The Taliban will fight US to the bitter end just as we Americans would do if we were invaded and occupied by China and/or Russia.
As has been true since the time of Alexander the Great, Afghanistan is where empires go to die.
Its funny though. The republicans are blaming its all Obama when it comes to Lybia and NATO fiasco, but........ when the US finally kills Osama, now its Obama did nothing and has no credit whats so ever. Riiiight...............
Republicans hate Obama so much that they don't want to give that guy any credit.
Classic dirty cheap tactics from the Reich Wing. One of these days they will finally figure out that their dear leader never gave a @!$%# about finding Bin Laden.
We knew how Osama Bin Laden thought and did things.
Now, we have to figure out how Al Zawahiri thinks and does things. Since we burned our contacts getting Osama Bin Laden, things will be more difficult to get Al Zawahiri (he is more Radical and Intelligent than Osama Bin Laden and has more contacts with Fundamentalist Islam than Osama Bin Laden did).
This is not over yet. We have been here for years up in the mountains (Pamir) and will be up here for more years conducting US Military Asymmetric Warfare.
joeyfromcali - And the CIA and who trained those afgan mujahideen AKA modern day terrorists? From 1979 to 1989 when the Soviets withdrew. That was a ten year war. And Osama was apart of that training.
Stop believing Wikipedia.
How many times do I have to tell you stop putting your hands on the stove burner when it is on the high setting.
Based on being at Afghanistan/Pakistan, US Military Training Teams from Germany as an asset to the Agency, during the USSR 40th Army Occupation of Afghanistan.
1. During the USSR 40th Army Occupation the USSR did not care which Afghans they killed. So millions of Pro USSR Afghans fled to Fundamentalist Islamic Iran (right next door). Also half of the rest of Afghanistan fled into Pakistan, mostly being Pro US "Western", some remained in Afghanistan to fight the USSR 40th Army Occupation.
2. The US Military Training Teams trained the anti USSR Afghans at Pakistan, they become the 1980s Pro Western Afghan Muhajeen. As demanded by Senator Charles Wilson Democrat Texas after his visit to the Afghan Refugee Camps at Pakistan.
3. The USSR 40th Army is defeated by the 1980s Pro US "Western" Afghan Muhajeen. The US Cuts and Runs, regardless of Senator Charles Wilson's begging US Congress not to abandon the 1980s Pro US "Western" Afghans, that need funds to help build Afghanistan back into the early 20th Century like they were before the USSR destroyed everything.
4. The millions of Pro USSR Afghans return from Fundamentalist Islamic Iran (USSR Backed Ally). Some even fought in the Iran Iraq Wars (Combat Experience after training from the Iranians and USSR Advisors). The US Military Training Teams were also at US Ally Iraq and would rotate between Pakistan/Afghanistan and Iraq. This is how we know that the Pro USSR Afghans fought in the Iran Iraq Wars on the side of USSR Ally, Fundamentalist Islamic Iran (They are fluent in Language Farsi).
Note: The US Military Training Teams from Germany accompanied those that they trained into Combat as Combatants to, enable on the spot corrections to training, and to observe to make corrections to subsequent training. This is how one of my subordinate US Military Officers was shot and nearly killed by a USSR Spetsnaz Hunter Killer Team Sniper. And as a big surprise to the US Military Conventional Warfare Forces we already knew that only women associate with women in Islamic Nations based on training, experience; as to why I had women on my US Military Training Teams from Germany.
The Pro USSR Afghans that returned from Fundamentalist Islamic Iran become the 1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban.
1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban start to massacre the 1980s Pro US Western Afghan Muhajeen as supported by Fundamentalist Islamic Iran with weapons, money, etc., in accordance with the Islamic Laws, Holy Koran (Quran) Sura 33, as the Pro Western Afghan Muhajeen are Collaborators to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers (everyone else) to "Die a Horrible Murdering". This included the massacres of all families, relatives, friends, in laws, etc. to prevent future Revenge Killings. This included chasing the 1980s Pro US Western Afghan Muhajeen into Pakistan and massacring them there also, and later establishing the Pakistanis Taliban at the Swat Valley.
Afterwards the 1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban start to destroy everything "Western" and non Islamic at Afghanistan. This included the Street Cars at Kabul, and all that had been built by the US from the 1950s to the 1960s, that turned southern Afghanistan into a early 20th Century "Little America" (I got to see this "Little America" during the USSR 40th Army Occupation, the USSR did not destroy these before they left, they were enjoying everything of "Little America".).
So years later when we were sent in after the 9/11 2001 Attacks to destroy the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government's Infrastructure there was not much to destroy. So we secured areas for the arrival of the Main US Conventional Warfare Forces.
5. Osama Bin Laden (OBL) during the USSR 40th Army Occupation was still living with his rich parents and relatives at Saudi Arabia. And OBL starts the planning of the 1993 First World Trade Center Bombing.
joeyfromcali - Now that Osama is dead bring our troops home.
That does not work, as to why we had to go into Pakistan, as even the MQs (Drones) were ineffective. You do not use a sledge hammer to conduct a surgical removal of an individual; unless you want to make more supporters of their Cause.
joeyfromcali - Great job today Special forces hope you get that 25 million reward money
Credit were credit is due. This was a Joint Special Operations (JSOC) Mission, not just US Army Special Forces.
Well actually I thought the least my president should have done was put on a cod piece and landed on the grounds of the White House - saying "Mission Accomplished" - you idiots - should I go further Bush could not have gone after Sadaam Hussein if Bin Laden was dead there would have been no reason to go into Iraq, they needed Osama alive to do their dastardly deeds - for once think - Bush was planning to go into Iraq before 9/11 - didn't Wolfewitz say this ridiculous invasion would pay for itself - time for Cheney to release the records of his meetings withe the Oil Heads or if not him force everyone who was there to fess up
Now what are you going to do about the 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers that are supporting the International Al Quada Franchise thru their Mandatory Islamic Tithes.
Barbara Adams Jackson - I go further Bush could not have gone after Sadaam Hussein if Bin Laden was dead there would have been no reason to go into Iraq
You were already told before US Law, 1998 H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act", aka "the Overthrow Law". After this US Law Failed, the US Senate added the 2002 Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution to use the US Military as the final solution to Overthrow President Hussein.
love sonnet - It's over we did not go there to liberate the Afghans. We went there to get Bin Laden, We got him now lets bring our troops home.
Afghanistan = UN (Uninformed Nincompoops) Mission, Nation Building.
By the way what is that "We" thing. Were you up here in the Pamir Mountains conducting US Military Asymmetric Mountain Warfare. See posts # 1.123 and 1.124.
david-475776, no I was not and neither were you, you phony. The we refers to America as a nation. Of course you being that stupid could not figure that out. Also filling up your long post with a bunch of numbers and semi official looking facts does not mean that you know anything.
When I was in the Marine Corp I had a secret clearance, and was not privy to all the information you are putting on your post. Probably 90% of which is crapola. You are not in the United States military. You at best are a troll or some foreign misinformation specialist spreading propaganda. You would fill a lake with lies and then add one cup of truth to make it look real.
Oh really? PROVE IT. Oh wait, you can't. Osama's body was honorably "buried at sea" before anyone could examine it. Funny how any evidence related to 9/11 is quickly destroyed, isn't it?
love sonnet When I was in the Marine Corp I had a secret clearance, and was not privy to all the information you are putting on your post.
Most Service Members receive an ENAC "Secret Clearance" including the Administrative Clerks. Most Officers, NCOs, Enlisted in my Officer Career Field receive TSBIs.
Nothing that I am posting is "Classified" as all our Computers have Real Time "Nanny Ware" Monitoring Software on them ever since Prisoner Manning leaked to Wikileaks.
love sonnet, perhaps if you bothered to do more research instead of name calling or attempting to denegrate my Facts with your non factual uninformed emotive opinions, maybe you will learn something. How about doing the research on the bottom of my post# 1.205.
David again you are full of misinformation. Most do not receive a secret clearance. All of them receive a confidential clearance which is the bottom of the rung clearance. Secret clearances are only given to those who have a need to know. The next clearance level above secret is top secret. There are only three levels of clearance, confidential, secret and top secret. People throw around titles like crypto clearance which is still a top secret clearance and no such clearance level exist above top secret. The so called crypto clearance is still just a top secret clearance but the person who is in the section of the military and government that uses cryptology or cryptographic machines adopt the title to sound more important or prestigious in other peoples minds. I doubt you have ever seen a crypto machine. The secret clearance I had was supposed to have been a top secret but because of the length of time the investigation involved for top secret it was down graded to secret. I have never told anyone why I needed a secret clearance when I was in the Marine Corp. Not even my family or my son.
And again I say you are so full of crap your eyes are brown. No one really believes anything you say here that has any degree of inteligence. That is unless they are a conspiricay theorist who believes that America did not land on the moon or that President Bush had the CIA fly the two planes into the World Trade Center buildings, or that Osama Bin Laden is living somewhere safe on an island paradise.
Please get real with your post and quit trolling and posting your conspiracy theories.
love sonnet - You at best are a troll or some foreign misinformation specialist spreading propaganda.
HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE A BIRTHER.
love sonnet There are only three levels of clearance, confidential, secret and top secret.
Talk about a DERAIL (Failed attempt to prove your wikipedia knowledge), attempt to disprove facts by stating other non relevant information, and not disproving what I posted.
love sonnet - The secret clearance I had was supposed to have been a top secret but because of the length of time the investigation involved for top secret it was down graded to secret.
Nope. Only a few possible Reasons:
The Investigators working on your Top Secret Background Investigation found dirt on you during criminal records checks, interviews with family, friends, relatives, and neighbors, as annotated on your DOD Security Clearance Forms.
Amount of time committed to US Military. Translation, not enough time that you would be in the US Military to warrant a Top Secret Background Investigation (TSBI), no justification for expending funds on expensive TSBI, justification on DOD Security Clearance Request Forms not filled in (one of those tedious bureaucratic duties required of US Military Officers, signature block must be signed by requesting Officer (usually Commanding Officer).).
You want to dispute this (reasons for your down graded Security Clearance) I have some POCs at the now All Branches Central Clearance Facility.
You use you failed attempt to justify your posts and failed attempts to discredit my Facts and childish name calling (Code of Honor Violations) with your using your "Secret" Security Clearance as leverage (another failed attempt to prove your facts, and disprove my posts).
Something to help you regardless of your failed attempts to discredit my Factual Posts.
You really need to find out about the Non Public Access Records of your Local, City, State, or Federal Law Enforcement , aka Law Enforcement "Working Records (Files)". If you know anyone personally in US Law Enforcement they can access these Non Public Access Law Enforcement Records. These records are also initially accessed (one of the first things they research) by the Security Clearance Investigation Investigators. I had to file a Lawsuit (after writing letters to the Police Department and Police Commission) just to clear somethings off of my Non Public Access Law Enforcement Records just to get my TSBI Renewal Completed.
Do yourself a favor before saying Conspiracy Theory, just have a friend with US Law Enforcement check your Law Enforcement Records (the Law Enforcement Records people will only let you know about the Public Access Records). Indicators that you or your friend in Law Enforcement are accessing the Non Public Access Law Enforcement Records, all Court Cases (including dismissed), all Registered Firearms, Juvenille Records (including sealed, will not state details), registered vehicles, all accidents (mine included Insurance Company information), all complaints, dmv information (current photo), etc..
I forgot the example that was still on my Non Public Access Law Enforcement Record:
Arrested for Vagrancy at two States (thrown in a detention cell). Back then, I was hitch hiking across the US, to see America after returning from US Military Service (War). The Judges dismissed both cases with Prejudice; but, it was still on my Non Public Access Law Enforcement Records (removed by a previous Lawsuit).
Actually there are 2 levels of clearance above top secret. Not everyone in the military knows about the 2 other levels, their jobs don't even entail their need to know.
david-475776, Again you do not know what you are talking about. When My platoon sergeant gave me the security clearance forms to fill out he informed me that I was actually supposed to be getting a top secret clearance but that they would be requesting a lesser clearance because my tour of duty at that duty station was only 1 year and it would or could take up to 6 months to obtain a top secret clearance. I served at another duty station where a top secret clearance was supposed to be needed but they did not upgrade my clearance there because of time also and the amount of time left in the Corp. Time and cost were the determining factors for not upgrading. As for my supposed criminal record you purport that I may have had. It is non existent. I have never been arrested or charged with any other crime than traffic violations. One arrest after discharge from the Marines in 65. The arrest was for an unpaid parking ticket, That was in 72. Please try blowing smoke up someone else's back side it isn't working here. You are still just a troll or misinformation specialist.
love sonnet - When My platoon sergeant gave me the security clearance forms to fill out he informed me that I was actually supposed to be getting a top secret clearance but that they would be requesting a lesser clearance because my tour of duty at that duty station was only 1 year and it would or could take up to 6 months to obtain a top secret clearance. I served at another duty station where a top secret clearance was supposed to be needed but they did not upgrade my clearance there because of time also and the amount of time left in the Corp.
MY PREVIOUS POST ALREADY TOLD YOU.
david-475776- Most Service Members receive an ENAC "Secret Clearance" including the Administrative Clerks. Most Officers, NCOs, Enlisted in my Officer Career Field receive TSBIs.
That is why you received a Secret.And now you attempt to use you low ENAC Secret Clearance to make yourself seem important with only a couple of years in the US Military. If you were important enough to get a TSBI initiated or your Commanding Officer would have informed you (Required even back then, Commander's Security Clearance Investigation Briefing for TSBI (cannot be delegated)).
love sonnet - he informed me that I was actually supposed to be getting a top secret clearance but that they would be requesting a lesser clearance because my tour of duty at that duty station was only 1 year and it would or could take up to 6 months to obtain a top secret clearance. I served at another duty station where a top secret clearance was supposed to be needed but they did not upgrade my clearance there because of time also and the amount of time left in the Corp.
As previously posted:
david-475776- Amount of time committed to US Military. Translation, not enough time that you would be in the US Military to warrant a Top Secret Background Investigation (TSBI), no justification for expending funds on expensive TSBI, justification on DOD Security Clearance Request Forms not filled in (one of those tedious bureaucratic duties required of US Military Officers, signature block must be signed by requesting Officer (usually Commanding Officer).).
Again do not know what you are talking about. ARREST = Criminal.
love sonnet - One arrest after discharge from the Marines in 65. The arrest was for an unpaid parking ticket, That was in 72.
"Anything that the assigned Clearance Investigator deems as a "Pattern Of Criminal Behavior" is a valid reason for immediately stopping the Investigation and denial of a Top Secret Security Clearance" - Fort Meade, Consolidated Clearance Facility.
That even went for my unexplained speeding ticket (I paid the fine), in 1979. Back then if the Clearance Investigator found something like that they had the courtesy to send a letter to you and your Commanding Officer, explaining what was holding up the Clearance Investigation. At that time anything over a certain Dollar Figure (Traffic Violations) required a written explanation (justification) to clear yourself so that the Clearance Investigation could resume.
ORB1943: The best way? Cremate the bastard and scatter his ashes down in the Indian Ocean. That way you'll ensure that motherf***er never raises from the dead when the final judgement comes. That is the worse possible punishment you can inflict on him. Plus it prevent his followers to enshrine him in a tomb. "Out of sight, out of mind."
I just watched the news from Singapore. It is all about how the Soviets are mobilizing along with China heading to Libya. Nothing about this at all. In fact I have seen little to nothing about this for years in non-USA media. Oops...
Mark, do you even realize that 73k is a cost that is worth every soldier on the battlefield? If that one insurgent had an RPG and was aiming it at an American citizen I would authorize 10 of those with no thought to cost.
Shelley - every war and conflict has a death toll. Sure 4452 is always one too many but like Plato has said: Only the dead have seen the end of war.
Stop acting like an idealist. Conflict is a fact of life. Armies march, men (and women) die. Societies try and better themselves because of it. Please stop trying to throw a monkey wrench into the gears of a small victory. We need good news from time to time. Stop peeing in the Cheerios.
I personally was cheering with the folks in front of the White House. Great job troops. Great job Mr. President. Anyone who isn't celebrating this is just misguided. USA!
Clarifications as terminology for Credit where Credit is due:
US Military Conventional Warfare Forces:
US Army = Troops, Soldiers
US Air Force = Airmen (and Airwomen?)
USMC = Marines
USN = Sailors, Seamen and Seawomen?
US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces:
US Army = US Army Special Forces, aka Green Berets
USAF = Special Operations Wings (SOWs), Special Tactics Teams (STTs).
USMC = USN MARSOC.
USN = USN SEALs (Sea Air Land).
Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) = US Army, USAF, USMC, USN Asymmetric Warfare Forces.
See posts #1.123 and 1.124. and add Details: How long do you think it takes to acclimitized to over 10,000 feet to conduct US Military Asymmetric Mountain Warfare, develope Actionable Intelligence Sources, gain the trust of the Locals, learn Dari, Arabic, Farsi, Pashtu, as well as attending the other US Military Asymmetric Warfare Schools. Think Decades.
david-475776, again acting like you were there leading the operation. You are just a phony. Yes the names of the survices are probably correct but that does not mean that you are part of them.
love sonnet - Yes the names of the survices are probably correct
"are probably correct".
Again you do not know because you did not even bother to do the research.
And the votes for your post(s) proves once again that Newsvine is a popularity contest (votes) versus "A Place to Get Smarter" (Facts not emotive non factual non researched uninformed opinions).
The government of Pakistan have a few questions to answer, and I suggest that ALL aid stops cold for a while. They have probably known where the sumbitch was hiding-out for almost a decade.
I do not blame the Government of Pakistan. As going after the entire Nation and not the Local Population that supported Osama Bin Laden.
In Asymmetric Warfare I blame the 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers that support the Al Quada International Francise thru Mandatory Islamic Tithes (monetary, Political, Sanctuary, Legalization of Islamic Terrorist Organizations, etc. and if you have nothing else to give as a Mandatory Islamic Tithe then you join the Jihad.).
In Asymmetric Warfare you cut off the money, support, political support, local support, national support, international support, kill their will to continue the fight (their Cause), etc. and then get better (more trained and experienced, takes decades, us) US Military Asymmetric Warfare to eliminate them.
Jonathan-1982062- Take care of Pakis for shielding the enemy! May be Pakis need aids!
My counterpart of the Pakistanis Asymmetric Warfare Forces suffered a huge Attrition (deaths) during the Pakistanis Attack of the Swat Valley.
I blame the Islamic Believers at Pakistan for providing Sanctuary to Al Quada, Pakistanis Taliban, Army of Islam (Pakistan), Hamas Foreign Fighters, Chechen Foreign Fighters, Kurdistanis (PKK, HPG, KGK), etc. in accordance with current Islamic Laws. And I blame the Chinese and Russian Federation for providing Weapons, Technology, Advisers, etc. to Fundamentalist Islamic Iran, with Fundamentalist Islamic Iran then providing training, organizing, funding, weapons, equipment, support, etc. to the Worldwide Islamic Military, and also to blame are the 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers that are providing support to the Worldwide Islamic Military and Worldwide Islamic Law Enforcement thru Mandatory Islamic Tithes per current Islamic Laws.
People Stateside have got to stop their miopic view of what is happening Worldwide.
I dare anyone to PROVE that Obama's dead. His body was quickly destroyed before anyone could examine it. "America" is just so AWESOME when it comes to destroying evidence.
Give it some time, ImoenOfTelengard. When the time is right (after all the military debriefings, after all the paperwork has been done, after all the forensics has been processed), you will have your proof. No doubt!
And in a suitable amount of time, "60 Minutes" will have a report with the actual troops that were there, just like they did when Saddam Hussein was captured.
Let the weak minded and bitter trailer-trolls whine about the lack of a full coffin: the hard fact remains no one will ever see Osama bin Laden walking on this earth again.
There will come a point very soon when the whiners will have to shut up because they will become as embarrassed by their nonsense as they ought to feel right now.
The only thing I thought of after about 15 minutes of hearing the news, is that this sick **** could yet get the last laugh.
What American needs to be vigilant about now, is that Al-Qaeda sleepers are not now called into action. It's totally an Osama thing to program all the diabolic minions worldwide that "the next offensive" is put into motion once the world news announces the day that "Osama is dead."
YOUR emotional disposition of extreme hatred, anger & hostility is serious and clinical. Your verbal antilocution is near criminal. You MUST resume your Prozac regimen immediately and contact your local mental health facilitity! - Sorry but I have no further time... your joe
Someone got a word of the day calendar! You can use big words, but you're still just a liberal zealot running around spewing hatred for anyone who would dare speak against Obama, and throwing the race card around so freely, that you would think it was a joke to you. Racism isn't a joke. You do know that right?
YOUR "big word" for the day is: - DISCOMBOBULATE - D.I.S.C.O.M.B.O.B.U.L.A.T.E
Spell it out loud, write it and pin it to your refrigerator door (if you have one). AND you can easily use it in a sentence in reference to yourself...
You can keep making stupid posts like this, but I'm still waiting for you to tell me what I said that was racist, which is nothing. You just keep running your mouth and not answering me. It makes you look like a race baiting moron.
Your words are Race Baiter R.A.C.E B.A.I.T.E.R
Say it loud and proud, cuz it's what you are. Now back to your normal stupidity.
AND I am NO "weak-kneed Liberal". The terminology it would take to aptly describe myself would be far to complex for such as you. You are to simple-minded to ever comprehend it...
Bumblebee: Had to wade through a cat fight to get to post. Wikileaks had information about just that subject. There was talk of a major nuclear device somewhere in Europe that was to be detonated if word went out that Osama was killed by the Americans.
"Race Baiter"? Hee! Hee! - Sticks and stones may break my bones but names can REALLY hurt me!
Well, you're the worm that bit on the bait! - Shame!
Just WHEN I was thinking of enlightening you on how, using Mills' scientific methods, that you are NOT ONLY the CONSUMMATE racist but ALSO a PARADIGM of hypocricy! BUT I have neither time nor inclination to do so.
However you have been quite amusing! But I will toy with you no longer... your joe - (hope you enjoy the "big words")
PS: Ther is a mispelled word(s); see if you can find it!
I'll ask you one more time, since you seem to have the attention span of a small mammal. What. Did. I. Say. That. Was. Racist? You can't tell me anything, because I didn't, but you were all too happy to call me a racist, making you a race baiter.
PS - Consumate and hypocrisy are two of them. You're not nearly as clever as you think you are. If you had a brain, you'd be dangerous.
Joe: you are a self-centered little soul, aren't you. You don't want an interruption in your little contretemps nor do you want anyone calling you on your behaviour. Guess what? When your behaviour is such that you impinge on others then you should be called out. Don't like it? Unfortunately for you there are many other people on the planet and they don't want or need to bow to your self-absorption.
The team at the CIA have been following and closing in on Obama, even as Obama moved around. The Presidents have changed during this search. But, the guys out in the field closing in on him did all the work. I hope the real credit goes to those who made this happen.
Everytime the CIA got close, they sent in the Army. He was gone. Not this time.
As Bush continually reminded us, the President is Commander in Chief. Well done Pres. and troops, and CIA. Not bad for a guy who wasn't even born in the U.S. Get a life birthers!
Well since President Obama is the leader that returned our focus back to Afghanistan and the search for him, I think anyone being honest would give him some credit!
Maybe had Bush not taken our military and attacked Iraq before the job in Afghanistan was done we would have gotten this done years ago!!!
Well done US army is right. Obama did not get him unless he was hiding in bed with Mrs. O! Too many young soldiers died to give credit to anyone except them!
That's right - if it is true [which I don't believe]- Obama did not do anything - it would be the US Army - we sure as hell lost a lot of them to do it! How dare someone try to credit Obama - who sits in that damn White House doing absolutely nothing and wasting our tax dollars!
Thank you President Bush for your persistence, and yes definitely our troops. Come on Obama, you blame Bush for everything that has gone wrong. Give him his dues now and thank him for what he started. You're (Obama) going to put this feather in your hat and ride it to re-election. Wise up Americans.
Shows what you know. Obama simply continued Bush's plans. Heck, Obama promised to bring the tropps home back in 2008. Good think Bush's plans for Afghanistan were carried out.
Obama did nothing. hard to believe I am saying it but he's a worse president than Bush. He sucks and hopefully will not get re-elected. thank the troops that are actually doing the fightinh
Obama didn't get him. It was the men and women that are over there fighting. I don't know where the hell anyone gets that Obama got him. He wasn't over there searching and fighting.
You can verify it for yourself. The Bush administration had already drew up the plans for ramping back up in Afghanistan. Obama simply took Bush's plan and carried it out. Once again, Bush did not miss the mark.
Like Reagan didn't tear down the Berlin wall but the wing nuts constantly use that as a great example and defining leadership. Give the POTUS credit. I'm sure there is so much behind the scene you will never understand
He increased the focus in Afghanistan. Bush had Osama cornered, but then took troops away from Afghanistan to invade Iraq. Obama put the focus back on Afghanistan.
So far he's turned around the economy, and he has captured Bin Ladin. Give the guy some credit.
You people are sad. If this had happened 3 years ago I would have given President Bush his deserved props, now man up and give them to the sitting President. The COMMANDER in Chief of the US Military.
Bush?? Really??? Bush ran us off into Iraq going after the man who embarrassed his daddy. Obama took us BACK to where we needed to be this entire time. stop drinking the republican kool aid. smh
"Thank you President Bush for your persistence, and yes definitely our troops. Come on Obama, you blame Bush for everything that has gone wrong. Give him his dues now and thank him for what he started. You're (Obama) going to put this feather in your hat and ride it to re-election. Wise up Americans."
Seriously...how soon YOU forget the damage Bush caused...the U.S. is in the state it is in because of BUSH, were you that stupid to think Obama would be able to clean up 8 yrs of mess overnight??? Bush didn't care about Bin Laden, he had to go after Sudam, so his daddy would love him (hmm, elder Bush who couldn't get his man either)!! I think you are the one who needs to wise up.
Congratulations to all the soldiers who battled and won...to those who lost their lives, may they rest in peace!
Obama didn't get him. He was on vacation somewhere. It was the military personel that got him. The only military action Obama has seen was playing Battleship with his daughters.
That dumb ass in the white house didn't have anything to do with it. This has been going on long before he rolled into easy street! The great men and woman of this great land did it. He is still bashing Trump on what he got done something the Clinton's didn't. Glad it will be all over soon!!!
Bush started and then tripped on his face in embarrassment.. Your argument is like giving someone credit for screwing up and ignoring the person that makes the save, or fixes the screw-ups mistakes.. Bush messed this country up so badly that it would have taken an act of your Lava GOD to fix it all in under 4 years. Your lucky you can still feed yourself son.
They have a saying.. It's easy to screw up, and it will cost twice as much to fix it in the world of economics and war. Bush nearly collapsed our entire nation because GOD told him to do it.. That wack job deserves no credit other than the credit for @!$%#ing up this country.
Thanks Obama for doing SOMETHING constructive.. But this doesn't imply that Obama is doing an excellent job overall as I can mention a few things I can give him a failing grade on..
If you are one of those who praised Bush and his Admin. for "keeping us safe" after 9/11, then it's time for you to give it up for Obama for "accomplishing the mission".
It was okay for you to praise Bush/Cheney, when it wasn't even their lives on the line or any personal effort made by them to fight terrorism.
Now you can praise Obama(yes I know our guys/gals in the field made it possible, and deserve the real credit).
Might have been nice if we could have waterboarded him for a while... wring as much intel as we could... then string him up in a prison in New York... nevertheless a success by Obama and America.
I believe a special team from Delta Force has been tasked to tracking down Bin Laden. They may of had "boots on the ground" to also retrieve the body from Pakistan, unless the Pakistanis handed it over.
No 69 virgins for Bin Laden. All the other idiot dead terrorists already used them all up!
I would like to see the POTUS bring in Bush to make a joint announcement. This could be a unifying thing. Repukes please allow good news to be an American good news story.
It took only one minute for the Obamaites to give Obama full credit. C'mon folks, It was an ongoing project of the US government, and has nothing to do with who was/is president.
Hey monkey it was a @!$%#in Republican that started the hunt for Bin Laden in the first place or did you conveniently forge that fact. By the way Obama sucks and so does the Democratic Party, or maybe you believe in obortion, gay rights, unchecked immigration, and all the other lovely things that Democrats do for this country.
Less than 27 minutes to politicize the death of a terrorist who our entire nation hated, who was hunted down over the course of several years by the efforts of many different people with all kinds of political views. Just try to enjoy the moment without ruining it for others, could you, please?
As a conserative, I'm very proud of the mission our intel and military have done in following this mission to completion! Starting with President Bush and being finished under President Obama, all Americans and freedom loving people should be proud of our country. President Bush said that 'no matter how long it takes, we'll bring OBL will be brought to justice'. I don't agree with President Obama on many things, but I give him full credit for following through on this important mission!
OK....We've had an hour to celebrate. Let's go back to bed....get ready to go to work. Watch out tommorow for reprisals. Also for those of you that are religious think about the commandmant of Thou Shall not kill....someone somewhere needs to pray for the soul of that Bastard Bin Laden. If you can't do that then certainly pray for his victims.
I agree that all the credit shouldn't go to Obama.
Firstly, the service people who planned and executed this raid deserve significant credit.
But also President Bush. He may not have been in the hot seat to pull the trigger like Obama had to, but he oversaw the creation of some of the intelligence/military teams that began this task years ago. He also guided the nation in the days/weeks after 9/11 - no easy job!
Bush may have oversaw the creation of some of the intelligence/military team in the hunt for bin laden, but less than six months after 9/11 he said he wasn't concerned about bin laden anymore and soon afterwards we were off in the great oil crusades of the saudi arabian nations. Bush gets no credit with me. He only went through the motions as befitting a leader of a nation, but he didn't care about bin laden and made iraq his top priority under false information...he guided nothing...he was guided just as a special needs individual is guided in life...players behind him made the calls and he did what they wanted from him...
99.9% of these comments are by the same mentality of people who jumped for joy when OJ Simpson beat the system. All who knew the truth took a back seat, as now. Bush had more to do with 9/11 than Osama if Osama had anything at all to do with it. There was not one shred of evidence linking him with 9/11; but there was a ton of evidence linking our own govt to the crime. For me, Norad standing down was the biggest disappointment. You can't trust anyone.
I'm glad bin Laden was killed if it is true. I want that verified somehow because I don't trust anything govt says any more. I love America not Govt.
So many people pinging me on Yahoo saying..arent you glad Osama is dead. I sit here just stunned how they take any info fed to them by the gov hook line and sinker. I still have seen no evidence this guy is a real person outside of tapes that could have been filmed anywhere.
Sorry, I cannot believe one word out of DC at this point.
Wrong... And you can feel free to provide your evidence.. Nothing worse than someone like you self-inventing your own supposed facts. And you do realize that much of that controversy is fueled by Flat Earthers correct, because they believe NASA is a giant conspiracy.. Intentional ignorance is amazing these days isn't it. Don't turn your computer on, it's a conspiracy too ;)
Trump: The bombings of the Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, the bombing of the US Cole, the bombing of the WTC in 93, those were not 'controlled demolitions.' So, where is your conspiracy theory in those? Or you're going to find an excuse for them too?
Jus, These people don't research anything, they just make noise. If they would be quite and listen they might learn a litte truth. Instead they just make up stuff, so they can complain about how insecure they are.
Who the hell cares about Trump? Republicans and Conservatives don't. The media is just focusing their attention on him.
This is a good moment for the country! I don't like Obama like many people I know, but the work done here was tremendous and I'm glad the President gave the order. The left has to stop being so blinded by hate by taking every opportunity to try to surpress the opposition. You guys on the left make me sick when you take these childish positions.
This is not a time to be joyful. A death is still a death (wish it could have been differently). Perhaps the killing in his names on both sides can now stop.
Yes it is. A human life is gone, which in and of itself is nothing to celebrate.
But, have you ever seen the movie Sgt. York starring Gary Cooper? Real life WWI hero Alvin York was drafted. He refused to fight saying it was against his Christian beliefs. He was sent to the front lines anyway. When he was in the midst of battle he saw Germans mowing down his comrades. York snuck up behind the enemy, took out a machine gun nest, and mowed down the Germans. When his commanding officer asked why he did it since he abhorred violence, York replied, "Well, I had to do it in order to save lives. By stopping the Germans and getting them to surrender I saved the lives of all our men."
That is why we celebrate the death of Bin Laden. Not because a human life was snuffed out of existence, but because we've saved lives by stopping a murderer of innocents.
I too am relieved he is gone, but I am bothered by the cheering. The cheering in other countries really bothered me after 9-11. I wonder if/when retaliation will occur.
What I want to know is how this article, less than 5-seconds after being posted, had over 2000 comments. Some of the responses could not be faked could they hmm?
umm... do you know how many people are actually reading this article? And it's been more than 5 seconds.. ;) But I am sure many are propaganda posts as there usually are in big news threads that deal with politics and world news.. And those people are easy to spot. ;)
Mark....I read the article and posted several times. There are a lot of real people out there reading the news....it has to be great news for a lot of people. Woo. hooo Yipeee....Yipey Kayaaa!!!! I don't think a lot of shills are posting. (Politically ignorant people...yes....shills no.) :)
Check their history Thankful Mom.. Usually their histories consist of the same messages over and over and usually inject their messages in topics and subjects that have nothing to do with world news, or even politics. I have found some that just repeat the same message over and over as mass spam.. So yes, they are easy to spot.., And sure, there are some trickier one's out there, but you can usually spot the more flagrant ones. ;)
The 1984ish image of Osama will burn, but the actual man.. Probably not considering any proof related to his dead was quickly destroyed. For all we know, it was Bob down the street who was thrown into the ocean.
I think it is great that Osama was finally stopped. I am a little uneasy about the kids chanting at the White House. It looks staged to me.
It still remains. Obama is not trustworthy. He is a spend thrift. We are broke now and terrorists from under every rock will be mounting strikes...who knows where. What will we do? Pat down 5 year olds and grandma at the airport.
I don't trust this administration and it's Zars one little bit.
Why does he only speak from a prepared speech via teleprompter? Can't he ever just speak to the people? Ever. Or does every word have to be scripted. And what happened to the Oval office? Is there a picture of Mao hanging on the wall now or something. Why doesn't he give his addresses from the Oval office. Ever.
I agree with JoJo, you are one ******* idiot. That was not a one-liner, that was statement of opinion. Been teabagged lately? Now, that is a one-liner. My job is done...
Don't respond to the question just jab and run. Typical lib. Oh and your name open minded jon.
Bush spoke last night briefly and he did not have a teleprompter. It is refreshing to be spoken to by some one who doesn't need one 24/7. It is nice too to see old footage of Bush speaking simply because he is not speaking from a teleprompter.
When was the last time Obama spoke with out one? For Heaven's sakes he even needs one in a kindergarten classroom.
Blue Iris: For you is damned if you do, damned if you don't. The only thing in concrete we have from you is the despise you have for the President of the United States. This is not the forum to be talking about politics (Even though I will take your challenge any time and place you like). You are the kind that complained because he didn't capture him, but keeps on complaining after the capture. You want to complain about the pat downs at the airport? Well, that is the little price to pay for security. Nobody is forcing to fly, but if you don't want to conform with the rules or regulations, do not fly. It is not a given right, you pay for a ticket and you have to follow all the rules and regulations, whether you like it or not. Besides, the rules you so much despise have been in place before this President took office. You cannot fathom that the person you so much despise actually accomplished in 3 years what the other couldn't in 8. Go back and keep on crying...
Blue-Iris: We know that Bush did not speak out of a teleprompter. He didn't need help to look like an idiot. He by himself perpetrated the English language without any help. It is so good when they make a fool of themselves by spending thousands and thousands of dollars in education and they are not even capable to manage the English language. Good thing for me that I missed him.
Why collapse BlueIris comments? There was nothing offensive, just their comments and opinion. So will I be wasting my time by posting my opinion on here? After all this is America, not China or Iran, right?
I think that if Osama bin ladin has been killed that of course this is great and the president and especially the CIA should be carried on our shoulders through the streets. I am of course speakingb figuratively... they deserve tremendous praise. BUT since when does our country respect the religious "rights" of a mass murderer? Is Bin Ladin entitled to a Muslim burial? How convenient this will be for his supporteres of course that will claim to see his "ressurected" glorified body now!!! This decision was the either the stupidest one made by an incompetent leader or a brilliant excuse to dispose of the WRONG body! Either way this was a huge mistake and how long before Bib Ladin starts to appear holding hads with Elvis and Michael Jackson, Tupac, and Jim Morrision?
Why does our government do everything possible to make sure that conspiracy theories and crazy rumors continue forever? If this was Osama bin Ladin then why didn't someone have the sense to secure the remains fully for third party verification? Like I said, either the stupidest or the smartest manuever but not in the complete and best interest of the people of the Unioed States who will have to contend for years or decades to come with the inevitable ramifications of the totally inappropriate manner that Obama handled this.
Kyot: Actually, no, "this" is not America. It's a forum on the Internet on which anyone who cares to register can comment. However, it is usually pretty easy to tell which posters are American and which are not, as the Americans tend to use personal pronouns (especially "we") and other deictic expressions (e.g., "here" or "this") without seemingly any awareness that all of the world is not the US.
I guess Osama must have an identical twin out there, because guess what? DNA matched him exactly.
There's going to be alot of misinformation that will come out in the days ahead while the news media tries to get answers to exactly what happened. The same happened after 9/11. Tons of misinformation was spouted then also. Before deciding something is a conspiracy theory maybe wait until all the facts are out.
There are photos of OBL, but from what I've heard they are quite disgusting pictures and there is a question of appropriateness in revealing them. No one has said they won't be released, but if they should.
Just couldn't figure out why dump the body in the sea, Use you head America think why we have close casket funerals I know many want to see but do you want to start a new war over what you see? Some thing are best left to the imagination rather than to excite those who already need little provocation to lost their tempers. I wrote this at the end of the vine yesterday but thought it bears repeating at the beginning. In addition as the day wore on it has been widely reported that the idea to use special operation was Obamas alone which gives him the credit! Id never thought I hear myself say bless Rush Limbaugh but he gave an eloquent observation of how Obama saved the day! The Truth will win out. It was imperative to kill bin ladin because that was the objective, look now to the reasonable pulling out of Afghanistan because there is truly no reason to be there now and doesn't the amount that we need to run this country almost exactly match what we are spending there Good THINKING PRESIDENT OBAMA!
Bin Laden's body was buried at sea to deny extremist followers of a "holy site" at his grave. Also, most true Muslims wouldn't want to be buried anywhere near him.
I think this only marginally changes any Afghan pullout plans. We are fighting the Taliban there and really not AQ. Besides, Afghan police and military are STILL not up to speed. We shouldn't risk all the sacrifice over the last 10 years just to get out a little earlier.
Finishing the job is the best honor we can pay to those who have suffered great loss.
Bin Laden, through the 911 attacks, wanted to piss off even moderate Americans. That, of course is and was OK, so why all the fuss about pissing off Muslims for worrying about the body of a man who desecrated thousands of people 10 years ago.
A more valid argument would be that we do not want to piss off the Saudi's and the Bin Laden family.... I bet that the Bush white house had consulted the Saudi's about what they should or could do in the event that that heartless man bumped into justice. Obama was given this info too and might have also had discussions with the Saudi Government about this.
Great. Time for everyone to take credit. However, those with their ear to the ground have been close to this guy for a long time. The true hero - the team at the CIA. Same group of people, regardless of which President or Agency head.
I love it. They had that ear on the ground for ten years; what does that even mean? Like it or not, Obama got him. Obama appointed Panetta, the CIA head, and Obama authorized hundreds more drone attacks in Pakistan.
Like it or not, Obama got bin Laden in two years when Bush couldn't in eight.
I am sorry. Everyone gets credit. I try to stay neutral. I am biased here - I am close to the agency that found him. Looking for him was a job, regardless of the President.
95% of everything we are doing in Afghanistan TODAY is from what Bush put in place from 2001-2008.
That would be like, 10 years from now if Obama's healthcare kicks in and is awesome, and you give the credit to whoever happens to be president at the time.
If this wasn't a predator drone, explain how this is Obama's doing? Other than getting elected in 2008 and not changing what Bush set in place in the middle east.
Well done all. Time to celebrate as Americans and stop the mudslinging. This is not the time and you look like you hate not having "your" man as President more than you celebrate the end of a horrible life and America's number one enemy. Buck up! Be Americans!
Why should the President get credit? Did he collect or analyze the intel? Did he squeeze the trigger? No. It doesn't matter what party is in the White House... the President does not deserve credit for a military operation. The men and women who wear the uniform of our nation, who are out there in harms way day in and day out... the ones who found him, the ones who pulled the trigger... THEY are the ones that deserve credit. Not someone wearing a suit in an office all day.
The President did not gather or analyse any of the data or intelligence, he instead listened, and then give the order to go in and get Bin Laden. They would not have been able to do so without that order.
In contrast, when Bin Laden was cornered in Afghanistan, the American Army was ordered to drop back by the then President to allow the Afghan "army" to go in to get him" of course we were all surprised when he disappeared. Then we went into Iraq and the rest is now history.
Note the difference leadership makes? You may not like the President becasue of this race, politics or whatever made up reason you may have but he did a good job regardless. He was in charge. It is funny how some of you people blame him when things go bad but not when things are good. lol
Coloradocane - Obama never said it is his credit. But this is certainly not Bush's credit. Bush invaded Afghanistan but he did not know what the hell he was there for. If he focused on Afghanistan and went after Bin Laden; He could have done this in 2-3 years like Obama (Obama is president for 2 1/2 year).
Of course the real credit are for our fighting men and women, but it took leadership from the president to provide resources for our military and the intelligent services to focus on the important task.
Did any of you listen to the president?? He did not take any credit. Not once did he say he had anything to do with killing Bin Ladin. He gave all the credit to the people in the field the people doing the work. You are becoming stupid with this blind hatred of our first black president.
I know that I will never want to know and could never do the things that the CIA and Military Intelligence do. I try to never tell an expert how to do their job. Bin laden knew as soon as he blew the towers that he was a marked man. He was not an idiot and he also had time to plan. I don't mean the attack, but time to plan his escape.
I am grateful to the men and women of the military and to the civilian workers who worked so hard to catch this man. Giving credit to these people in no way diminishes anything that President Obama has done.
Occam is just plain wrong; it's not the same people.
Obama is Commander-in-Chief: Head of the US Armed Forces.
Leon Panetta is the Head of the CIA.
Obama campaigned on a promise to go into Pakistan to get top Al Qaeda figures. Bush sent us into Iraq and said that he "didn't care where bin Laden was." Obama gave the final order for the assault to kill bin Laden.
Ask yourself this, who would you be blaming if this had been a disaster and our troops had been slaughtered? Who would you be blaming if you found out that Obama knew where bin Laden was, but couldn't kill him?
"Today at my direction, the United States directed a targeted operation against that compound"
"Tonight I can report to the American people and to the world that the United States has conducted an operation that has killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda."
He also said how he told the head of the CIA that finding Bin Laden would now be his top priority, as if it wasn't beforehand.
Then, you have the phone call from Bush, congratulating American troops and sending his thoughts and prayers out to those affected by 9/11. One of these guys has class, the other one doesn't. Obama needs to go; he didn't "find" Osama, a 10-year long CIA hunt for him did. Obama didn't pull the trigger, didn't drag the body out, didn't do any of the grunt work; he makes it sound like he was the one directly managing the troops. >.< Obama NEEDS TO GO!
Are you really that stupid hurdlebeast? Do you think the military is going to move if ohh, wait a minute, let me think a minute. Got it! Do you suppose they would go in and kill the _hit out of Osama bin Laden ar YOUR direction? Or mine? Would Bush have pulled the trigger or dragged the body out? Obama ain't going nowhere. He is the ELECTED, born in Hawaii, multi-racial president of every citizen in this country. What is wrong with you. Check yourself before you wreck yourself. Ooops too late! Your idiotness - hey Palin's not the only one who can make up words ya know - is on full frontal display.
I guess I thought Obama meant that they told him of their plan and he gave the go ahead, not that he was taking credit or came up with the plan. He gave credit to our finest men and women and told us what happened a week ago.
I understand your sentiment, believe me, but regardless, this is a huge win for us as American people. I just wish for once we can forget about all the differences America as a whole has, come together and celebrate that something monumental occurred.
That those that perished on 9/11 did not do so in vain.
Hurdlebeast...he didn't take credit...Why didn't you BOLD...THE UNITED STATES DIRECTED A TARGETED OPERATION. The president said the United Stated not I. He said tonight I can report. Who was reporting. He should have said Tonight Hurdlebeast is reporting and you would have come out. Like it or not The President does REPRESENT and SPEAK for the American people. Your partisan political party mindset is clouding your thinking. Terrorist who attack us don't care about liberal or conservative, democrat or republican, only you care about that. America gets the credit. If we support our troops and government and way of life, we all as the UNITED States deserve credit.
I dunno, I just thought that maybe the wars aren't realistically run by the POTUS, whether that be Bush, Obama, or others. Do you really think they would wait for the red tape to clear before they initiated a strike against the world's most wanted terrorist? Or maybe it was decided before hand that this group take out Osama, no matter what, and report to the President afterwards? The wars, whether in the broadest or single-troop terms, are run by the chain of command within the military; generals, lieutenants, sergeants, etc. Politicians have a broad view of what the goals of the operations are, but they aren't "directing" the troops in any way.
There's a difference between being in the know and actually directing troops. Military officials direct troops; politicians don't.
I agree with Tinkerfarie; he probably knew (and OK'd) a CIA group to take out Osama, but hey, guess what? Bush did too. To take credit for this and say "I directed the attack" is complete bull@!$%#, no matter what POTUS does it.
And what the hells does him being "the ELECTED, born in Hawaii, multi-racial president" have to do with anything? Or Sarah Palin for that matter? Good luck trying to pulling the "U just an ignorant tea-bagger lawls" on me.
I quoted the President, and I disagree with how he said things. He said "I did this, I did that" and did NOT put the focus on the troops (CIA and otherwise) that made this possible. That's what I have issue with, and if you are going to respond please do so in a intelligent manner next time.
@educated fool: You are correct, America gets the credit. But why was his speech so specifically worded so that the word "I" came up so much? There is no other way to say "The United States has conducted an operation that has killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda." Oh, wait, I just did! I found a way! And I didn't put the word "I" in there at all! How hard was that?
Obama put the focus on Pakistan. Many said he was walking a fine line by allowing more drone strikes and covert ops into Pakistan. It looks like it paid off.
Give credit where it's due. If not for Obama, those he chose to lead the agencies/military branches involved, and the covert units, Bin Laden probably woudn't have been killed.
Obama probably deserves a little credit for putting political pressure on Pakistani leaders, to allow us to go in and kill Bin Laden.
Do you think Obama makes us look weak now?
No doubt those who hate Obama, will still refuse to give him any credit.
Hmmm... looks like it was actually Bush who started all that...MSN won't let me post the link, but Bush pushed troops and Predator drones into Pakistan back in Sept. 2008. Google "Bush Pakistan" and check out the first link, from BBC.
But, again, Obama the Great should get all credit.
The troops won this, not a politician. NOT Bush, NOT Obama, but the ground troops. Anyone that tries to turn their victory into votes should be kicked out of office, IMO.
I'm peacing out, you guys are way too left wing for actual conversation (not all of you, just the ones that can't discuss things in a civil manner).
I apologize for attempting to ruin Obama's victory after his great "struggle" for this nation.
Hurdlebeast....people aren't saying President Obama should get ALL the credit just SOME of the credit. Not trying to make you angry, just giving a different point of view. Everything isn't a liberal vs. conservative thing. The leader of any organization or country takes the hit when things go wrong and should get some of the credit when things go right. That is all many people are saying. Bush did start the hunt and also gets credit. There is enough to go around. Just like in sports, coaches get credit when the team wins and fired when they lose.
As an American, I am pleased that the country is one step closer to ending terrorism. I feel the relief of those families who have grieved for their love ones. I understand the chain of command in our country that follows the process for doing their jobs.
All of this is being said to say, give it a break on the negative for just a moment if you can. Be thankful that the families who have suffered have peace. Thank the President, military and the CIA for a job well done. Also realize that President Obama positively mentioned former President Bush in his address though he didn't have to. The Bush call also shows that there are 2 Presidents that who are proud of what the military accomplished...it is hoped you can do the same, hurlebeast, without all of the anger! I will pray for you!
John Galt- Have some FAITH! Our President had enough trust in his military advisers to make the announcement of the death of bin Laden. HE did not say, "I'll believe it when I see the body." What if he was like you... "the military lies too much, blah blah blah"... The President is accountable for what he says, he's an Harvard Law School attorney remember! My job is done...
Are people really turning this into politics right now? What sick division the left has. You do know that we trampled into a sovereign country to get him. Against many liberals values. It's was years of intelligence and work to find this guy. He had the protection of countries that hate us and bribe us, etc etc.
Moments like this we should be standing together, not blaming people.
i8tnofool.. you come off as one. The answer isn't talking down Big Oil. It is increasing the quantity of oil refineries in the US. No one wants one in their backyard though. This will help increase supply. We need competition. I like green energy, but we have to be smart about it.
We need both, you can't just jump from one to the other without a long and painful transition. That's why we need drilling. We need our own oil and we need to stop being dependent on OPEC. Investors help fuel the problem with lots and lots of investments. Many profits come from investing. Also, think of how many people are employed by the oil companies! Millions are employed in the oil industry.
I am grateful that this chapter closes with Bin Laden demise hiding in plain view. I pray there is no back lash for our troops until the decision to bring them home can be made. I hope that Libya will soon be concluded also so that the war funds can be diverted to our economy
@Tinker (because you are the only one who has refrained from personally attacking me yet); I can agree that he made a good call. I agree with you too that no president (Bush, Obama, or otherwise) should be able to take credit for this.
I liken the war to a football game. You have the actual players (military, foot soldiers, etc), the coaches (generals), fans (rest of the world), and the team owners (Presidents, dictators, etc). The players play the game; the coaches directly coach the players to the best of their abilities. The owner's job is to try to set up the team with the best players (and best coaches) in order for the team to win games. They don't make the calls directly, but the are in the know of what is going on. It's the difference between the coach saying to the owner "We have a strong run game, so we are going to run the ball more often than not" and the coach telling the players "Ok, we are going to run a slam off the C gap for first down, then a dump pass to the fullback right side for the next play"
The team managers may be aware of what the overall goals are, but are not involved directly in the game playing; that's what the players and coaches are for. What Obama tried to do was say "I called the game-winning Hail Mary play" when in reality it was the special forces' commanders who set up the strike. Obama may have been aware of it, but I can sure as hell tell you he didn't "direct" it.
Thank you, Tink, for at least responding in a dignified manner. Now I'm really going for a while :P
While I give the military/intelligence, Obama, and Bush credit (pretty much in that order), I wonder who would have been blamed had this raid gone miserably wrong?
I hope that the US will not experience a new rash of terrorist attacks because bin Laden will now become a martyr to his followers. While this is good news- it is also scary.
I'm in total agreement,Bin Laden isn't the only one that conducted U.S attacks nor will he never be. I'm completely terrified that this is going to get scary!! I'm from NY and unless anyone was there to know just how scary it was to wonder where are they going to attack next will never understand. The world...doesn't matter what color your skin/how tall/short/smart/stupid/how big a balls you have....will always have scum bags!!! OUR COUNTRY NEEDS TO STAND UNITED,UNITED WE STAND/UNITED WE FALL!!!
Yes, this is a perfect time to perform more searches at the airports, tap more phone lines, read all my emails, copy all the data from my cellphone, and anything else that the govt. can think of to do in the name of national security.
rest assured bob-e, theres a file on you. with a mouse click they can see your activity, watch you on your webcam, listen on your michrophone or track you on your GPS device. remember the tales of some day everybody will have a chip implanted in them? didnt feel a thing did u?
Yes, this is a perfect time to perform more searches at the airports, tap more phone lines, read all my emails, copy all the data from my cellphone, and anything else that the govt. can think of to do in the name of national security.
Keep an eye on your neighbor and report all suspicious activity to the proper authorities.
The special force captured Bin Laden body and they do DNA test on it to prove that he is dead. But of cource Donald and the GOP birthers will insist that Obama provide the long form deadth certificate and DNA report and perhaps Bin Laden head for them to touch.
I think someone should go all mafia on La Donald :) and put Osama's head and birth certificate in his bed while he sleeps. Hell, he'd probably be grateful for Osama's hair, get himself a weave.
This is not a time to be joyful. A death is still a death (wish it could have been differently). Perhaps the killing in his names on both sides can now stop.
I don't know why you think this isn't a time to be joyful the extreme Islamics were thrilled, even dancing in the streets when the towers went down. I say this is a great thing for our country to be joyful of!
stspecialk: You are forgetting this is not merely a man. This is not a troop that fought for his country, put his life on his line. This is not a misguided extremist; this is the @!$%# that murdered 3,000 innocent civilians. He is a mass murderer, and does not deserve ANY respect or even basic civil rights. There are some people lose their basic human rights, and Osama is (or should I say, was) one of them. He'll join the infamous ranks of Hitler and other mass murderers.
Javier: Really smart statment " the government just wanted to make billions of dollars". Well for your information The Government is now 14 trillion dollars in debt. Sure worked out didnt it. People like you should just zip up your mouth when so little of importance comes out of it. Does the word puppet mean anything to you.?
the country may have went bankrupt at YOURS and MINE expense, but even if the government went broke, those that have personal investments into the defense contracts, big oil, big pharmaceuticals (opium exports up over 100% after the first year in Afghanistan alone), and now the newly tapped Lithium deposits in Afghanistan......I would say, there are plenty of $$$ signs to interest an inside job by those conspiring at the top. Maybe you are the one jj, who should shut your mouth
Congratulations Mr. President. The first time I've appraised him. It doesn't mean I like his other policies, but the credit goes to him and our military! God Bless the USA!!! And I hope you are feeling weight of all your sins in hell Mr. Bin Laden!
We didn't invade Afghanistan until after 9/11. In fact, we helped them in the war against the Soviet Union. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda's beef with the US, stems from ideological hatred of the US having had bases in Saudi Arabia, the site of their religions most holy cities. If we'd attacked SA or defiled their holy sites, then yes, I'd expect them to fight back. Otherwise, it was their perception that we were somehow dishonoring their holy land, which is bunk because SA is one of our closest allies in the region. Al Qaeda is just a group of extremist loons that attacked and murdered innocent people on an unimaginable scale.
Im better Im American bitch! Suck my long shaft! It's bigger than yours!
Benjamin Carey, who are you talking to? Try addressing other Viners in the future. Makes it easier. You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Tyler is a liberal puke....code of honor?..really? There is no honor in this whole country anymore and I'm supposed to be "honorable"on newsvine? Give me a break!
PanzerNachtbanned, parachute of recently suspended R L kraft, also banned. Protip: don't email us telling us you're going to reregister. Don't register multiple accounts.
I'm supposed to be "honorable"on newsvine? Give me a break!
Yeah. There's plenty of sites with no rules. Here there are. Feel free to be as dishonorable off-Vine as you want.
Agreed! But watch out though - our current administration is full of tricky individuals - - with the head of trickery sitting right in the Oval Office with all of his abra cadabra and presto's! They will try to pull a fast one and thing they can get away with it!
Just can't stand to give credit when credit is due. George didn't & couldn't do it, but Obama did. I don't need to see a picture to know that Obama and the world wouldn't shout from the roof tops his demise if it wasn't true. Cause' he knows there are skeptics & carnival barkers like you still out there just waiting to kick the president now that they can't get him on his birth certificate. This night does not belong to you sloppy & Seqdirb. Congrats to the Pres. Obama, the US Military and the Pakistani aid and may the families from 9/11 have some peace in the news tonight.
One day GWB was eating in a Spanish restaurant. He tried to get an olive with his fork, but the olive escaped every slippery attempt. Seeing his frustration, the waiter said: "Excuse me, Sir" and he took the fork, stick it to the olive and handed the fork to Bush. And Bush said:
"If I did not make it tired, you would not have caught it."
woah woah woah, before you say something bad about republicans Joseph, get to know one. I am happy that Obama made the announcement last night, and i congratulate him!!!! I am happy that this horrible man has been brought to justice, and im generally against capital punishment, but this is a time to celebrate and be joyous!!!!! Our president did good, he did!! but dont bash repubs bc of a few, i dont bash dems bc of a few crazies!!! lets just use this time to celebrate and be happy that bin Laden is finally deceased!!!!!!!!!!
thats pretty hot stuff
Great. Time for everyone to take credit. However, those with their ear to the ground have been close to this guy for a long time. The true hero - the team at the CIA. Same group of people, regardless of which President or Agency head.
Good job, team.
Another Huge win for the Obama Administration!
8th anniversary after "Mission Accomplished"...
OK, I'll start: I blame Obama.
Exactly well done U.S. Army (and all soldiers), CIA, and everyone else involved!
Satan, your 11 o'clock is here.
Burn in hell Binny. God Bless America. And from a vet and New Yorker. God bless all the brave soldiers of the military who sacrificed so much. A US bomb was the fitting end. Burn in hell
Finally got the bastard!!
Due dilligence,and patience paid off here,excellent job to the servicemen,and all those involved for pulling this off,big win for the U.S.A!!
We will never forget!!
HEY don't forget the soldiers got bin laden not odumbo
I'll be glad to wait for the details,,,score a big one for the President.
So you thought you untouchable??? Really??? My thanks to those soldiers who accomplished this monumental task!!! Now go meet your REAL maker and he has a few words for you before he sends you VERY south of heaven.
This is truely good news...thats one in the win column for Obama...to all those who deserve the credit good job....I hope they get that tele-prompter fixed soon
Excellent news! Congrats to the US government - both sides of the political fence because we've ALL tried to get him for years!
Congrats again.
I think that since they have his body that there should be a public funeral and plant him in a pool of pig blood and parts.
Twisted,
He can't burn in hell.. Hell doesn't exist. But death is good enough. Now he's just renewable energy lol. Turn em into fuel for American cars or something ;)
Don't go jumping for joy yet either. While this is big, don't think for a second that Osama has been more than a symbol since the 9/11 attack when was striped of his money and that was his real authority in Al Quada.
While I hope this helps diminish the fundamentalist Muslims I can't help but wonder if, Osama now being a martyr, there will be backlash. I think it would be wise that no one wave the victory flag. This isn't so movie where the lead bad guy dies and the rest drop their guns and go home.
Wow! This is awesome news. Way to go soldiers, CIA and Mr. President!
Killing Osama Bin Laden means nothing, absolutely nothing.
Terrorism will continue, another will "step up" to lead terrorism as terrorist always have.
The US is one sick nation, thinking killing Osama will change terrorism in the world.
NOT!
The US is hated for interfering in other nations business (like now in Libya) and killing innocents, nothing has changed!
America can bomb the world to pieces, but can not bomb the world to peace!
Todd Beamer, UA Flight 93, 9/11/2001: "Let's roll."
May 2, 2011: WE ROLLED!
This is a win for the U.S. intelligence community, not for bush nor obama.
I hope osama suffers in hell. Let all those who followed him join him in hell as well.
Chalk a big one up for the U.S.
TOUCHE'......USA.
May the 70 virgins waiting for Osama be the innocents he killed 10 years ago waiting to extract their vengeance.
if you believe in hell then you must believe in god. . . do you really think that you god is happy that one of his children has been killed and will burn in hell???
Cudos to our military, but I really hope that Obama doesn't try to manipulate this success into every campaign speach the way Bush prostituted the 9/11 attacks.
This is a significant win for us, but fighting al-Qaeda is like fighting the drug lords. Someone will just step up to take his place now that he's out. We still have to be vigilant, and we can't pretend like we've won the war.
A fitting end indeed! Congrats to the administration for putting that dark chapter in American history to bed.
Obama fixes pretty much everything that Bush screwed up.
We got him!...Thank you mr. President!....you said we will kill him on your watch!!...You will go down as one of the greatest COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF'S IN U.S. HISTORY!........THANK GOD!.....
Just think if we would of caved into the demands of the liberals that infest newsvine he still would be alive today. So now what liberals? you gonna finally put your big boy pants on and admit you need the U.S. Military? Or are you still gonna demand to bring everyone home to fulfill your feel good programs?
Jackel, do we really need to have a religious debate over the existence of hell? Can't we just celebrate that Bin Laden is gone?
HURRAH - OUR TROOPS CAN COME HOME.
This is the best news. I am so anxious to hear the details. Hurry up Obama.
It's been 10 long years and WE DID IT!
DTNIC
does that mean that John Kerry was right and that we were better of to deal with terrorism as a criminal, police type investigation and not military ?
We must have paid Pakistan a lot of money for them to let us kill him.
We finally got that slimey S O B!
As for me...I'm waiting for the first conspiracy theory....
"the U.S. Didn't need Osama anymore, so we got rid of him so we can pull out of Afghanistan so we'll have enough troops to drop off in Libya."
Something idiotic sounding along those lines.
He's actually been dead for 2-1/2 years. It was just a good time to anounce it. Need contributed billions for the next election.
happy2008 is right. Oh wait though, the republicans will come up with something about this win to make Obama look bad. They just cant stand the fact that Obama is actually fixing things while Bush destroyed them.
Ding Dong, the Bin is Dead! Historic moment. Can we leave Afghanistan now?
Mission Accomplished!
Please tell me how Obama "fixed" it? It was our brave military and the CIA who got him. NOT Obama!!!!!!
Oh @!$%#. *That was my reaction. Not in a bad way. Just complete and utter shock. Wow. Well done.
I saw the announcement of the impending announcement and I thought they were going to tell us we were sending troops into Libya.
I hope they bring the body back to the US and then put it on tour so we can all spit on him. I'm not usually so hateful.
Sad thing is that terrorism is like roaches. You kill one, and more will take its place.
Nice to know that this administration never took its focus on the main goal. Kill Bin Laden. Unlike Bush who already was planning on Iraq before finishing Afghanistan.
Meanwhile somewhere in Texas... "SUMBITCH STOLE MY KILL", as an angry grey haired man slams down his 360 controller.
THIS President gave the green-light...to keep attacking in Pakistan.....he deserves to take credit for the hit & death of this monster who attack our country, as well as giving the green-light to the C.I.A. & our brave young men & women of the military......this President KEEPS HIS WORD!!......AN HISTORIC TIME IN OUR NATION!
We finally got the son of a bitch.
Trump is demanding that they produce a death certificate....
Someone beat me to that line.
Obama's got nothing to do with it...the TROOPS got him!
Obama wanted to pull the troops OUT...remember???
Amazing that he will try to take the credit
GO USA!!
Can i ask how this is a win for obama? the idiot had nothing to do with Binny getting found. Bama only wants to talk about getting rid war and getting out of Iraq and Afganistan. If it were up to him Binny would still be running free making more and more plans. Congrats on a job well done U.S. army and all of the U.S. military for making @!$%# happen and finishing a job to keep us safe. None of this goes to Bama. All of it goes to those who have been over there and done exactly what was asked of them. God Bless The USA.
Grow up, FUWF... An order like this can only come from the top. The VERY top. Maybe if you teabaggers had cared about hunting Bin Laden back in 2001-2008 you'd have been able to give Bush credit.
finally..
Ten years and 47,000 dead, not counting the dead from 9-11. May the SOB rot in hell for all eternity.
Was hoping that we could keep the "liberals vs. conservative" out of this celebration and just simply be "Americans" for once.
The next trick is to ensure that Osama does NOT become some sort of martyr. An unmarked grave in Diego Garcia would be appropriate. Beyond that I hope he burns in hell.
EXACTLY - Special forces got him and it's recent. I'm listening to news radio. The President will be on in 5-10 minutes
I have to agree with all above that this is a tribute to our military and intelligence communities. Neither POTUS can really take credit. This was a military action and they were in complete control.
But this is really not so significant to America. It is much more important to Europe and mostly to the Countries with tribal regions. It shows that we go after what we say and get it even in their own backyard. No matter who protects him.
Congrats to our boys in harms way!
How creepy all of the non anti-Obama posts are being closed. At a moment when we should all be celebrating - the haters go into overdrive.
Thank you Mr. President. There now you have one more post to close.
To stspecialk: In this case, YES!
Well JonMavrick...say what you want, Obama WILL be a hero for this. Have a good night's sleep ;)
Now we need to do the same to all the other radical terrorist's. There should be no trial, no negotiations, no give just death. May they all die and rot in hell. And for the Arabs that have supported him, I hope they have their day also!
So what shrubboy and the neocons couldn't do in 8 years, Pres. Obama accomplished in 2 1/2.
Of course, a LIVE Bin Laden was good as a boogie man to take out during elections, so maybe that had a lot to do with repub unwillingness to really try and catch him.
And, once again it takes a Democratic politician to clean up a repub mess,
Obama IS COMMANDER IN CHIEF !!
like it or not, this is a Victory for America and the leader of America is Barrack Hussein Obama and he, NOT bush brought the focus back to where it should have been from the get-go !!
Congrats to the Commander of ALL US Armed Forces President Barrack Hussein Obama and the Men and Women in uniform who serve under HIS LEADERSHIP !!
A HUGE THANK YOU to our military, who have sacrificed, died, suffered, and worked hard, to fight people like Osama Bin Laden. YOU are the ones we thank. YOU are the ones who deserve ALL CREDIT. Thank our military for bringing due justice for those lost on 9/11 and all the victims around the world who suffered from his commands.
Mission ACCOMPLISHED!...
and to his replacement -- NEXT!
Toasty McGrath
lol--finally something we completely agree on Toasty.......
Looks like he is having trouble reading his teleprompter
Oh No, not so quickly.
At least, Muslims should keep him alive for imagining in the seventh century desert caves!
USA best country in the world!
To those here on Newsvine that have ranted and raved that Afghanistan is George Bush's war, he finally got his man. After all, it wasn't Obamas' war.
The credit goes to the troops and CIA that got the job done. G.W. said we'd hunt him to the ends of the Earth. I hope they dress him as a woman and cover him in pig's blood then creamate him and flush his ashes down a NYC toilet.
I hope it was a US soldier sniper that got him, if so he should be given the Medal Of Honor and the Medal Of Freedom.
Congratulations to CIA and the military! Sing it Toby Keith.... "we'll put a boot in your a$$!!!!"
I'll hold my comments for Peter Jennings.... r.i.p.
Now if that idiot Holder doesn't charge someone with forgetting to identify themselves or read miranda rights before shooting. And I hope to heck they don't have him on a phone camera asking for a lawyer....
If you are one of those who praised Bush and his Admin. for "keeping us safe" after 9/11, then it's time for you to give it up for Obama for "accomplishing the mission".
It was okay for you to praise Bush/Cheney, when it wasn't even their lives on the line or any personal effort made by them to fight terrorism.
Now you can praise Obama(yes I know our guys/gals in the field made it possible, and deserve the real credit).
I love how all the good posts are being collapsed by the community.. It seems the minority is a bit pissed off and feels they need to do the Youtube vote to collapse other people's posts.. Isn't that against the COH? Truth hurts I guess ;)
4moreyears what are you ranting on about? Since it appears you cannot read I will repeat myself just for you.
This is a win by our military and intelligence communities. They are the ones that got him. It wasn't either bush or odumba.
GO ARMY!!!
Finally !
10 years to figure out the difference beteen a "Calamatist and Terrorist !
USAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD !
CLINTONS WAR IS OVER !!!
We would have got that Evil Bastard sooner if it wasn't for Bush got us stuck in Iraq for nothing. We should gone to Pakistan where Osama is hiding not Iraq, stupid Bush was pupet of Cheney.
The Republicans are TOAST in 2012!!!!
Congrats Obama you did to Usama exactly what you are doing to this country.
Obama's speech was fabulous. He gave me all the details I wanted to know.
Osama Bin Laden is dead. I love repeating that.
I was so glad the President reminded everyone of the human loss from that day and how flight 93 passengers saved us.
And President Obama closed his wonderful speech with part of our Pledge of Allegiance - ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MAY GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
To all you sick people on here trying to input "Politics" into this story you are very sad indeed.
Thank you to our military to all the families that have lost sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, thank you for your sacrifice and l know nothing will ever bring back your loved ones but maybe just maybe this might ease your pain even in the slightest.
There is no room for politics here, this fight has gone on for almost three presidential terms and many people have had a say in what has happened. We have lost so much over the past ten years and we even lost sight of why we were there in the first place. Thank you to Bush, Obama, and all our leaders who have had a hand in this. But first and foremost to our military.
To everyone who lost someone on 9/11 may this bring some closure and in some way help you to move on with your lives. I know you will never be the same but maybe this will help you move on. God bless.
God bless America. May this be a uniting point in our history. Lets start rebuilding our country, mending our fences with our neighbors, talk with sincerity about what we need to do to bring us back to our previous glory.
I don't think so. Remember, George Bush started this whole thing. Obama only worked on it for 3 years.
I completely agree with you David in 1.78 - particularly what I repost below:
I just watched the President's speech. He almost looked like he was in campaign mode. I did like the part where our guys went in and shot Bin Laden. I did not want to go through watching a prolonged expensive trial.
Why is any comment giving Obama credit being collapsed? Your disdain of Obama is now officially unAmerican!!
I have a feeling that they had an inside person at the mansion. Probably the one who tipped them off that Osama used the mansion as a safehouse time to time. They probably had been moving him around underground railroad style. All they had to do was wait till he showed up and the insider reported to intel contacts that he was verified there.
It is most intriguing to me that almost all the posts which give any credit to Obama have been closed. How strangely one-sided that makes these comments!
As someone stated before, we shouldn't be liberals or conservatives, Democrats or Republicans at this time, let us all be AMERICANS.
Much, much credit is due to the troops, special forces, CIA, and others. It is true that Obama is due some of the credit, too. He is, after all, the Commander in Chief of our armed forces.
LOTS of credit to go around to everyone--let's celebrate!
We don't need to put down anyone here. Why not just lift up our country joyfully!
Note to the Newsvine Obama Bashers
President Obama made Osama Bin Laden the highest priority target for the CIA. President Obama authorized the mission. Mission accomplished.
Bush's mission was accomplished when he got Saddam. That was the guy who put out the hit on Bush Sr.. This was a personal war and that shows real power to get everyone to follow.
Oh boy, the Bush family is going to be mad now that a friend of their family has been killed by Obama's orders.
I hope this wonderful news serve to united the country. It is time for everybody to give credit to our great President and stop this no sense racial sentiment. He is American as well all of us and he did his job has he promised to all of us. Stop being negative and fight for a more positive attitude.
Well done Mr. President Barack Obama!! We all Americans.
the ignoramuses who are collapsing our sight's on this historic night.....are shameless....acting un-american........SHAME ON YOU!....
As I expected Obama is taking credit as if he actually had something to do with it. I love how in his speech he acted as if HE agreed with the war..when in all actuality all he did was spend his 2 years on the campaign trail denouncing it, our military and GWB. Now the sleaz ball is trying to take credit for all the work that was done by the boys on the ground and the years and years of work put in while he sat in his comfy office...doing community organizing and denouncing america. Then he goes on his 'apology tour' his wife states she was NEVER proud of America before he was elected and now he is going to stand up there and act as if he didn't make speech after speech denouncing the war, the military and the President.
AL from NORCAL-remember who began this war end of story he is just trying to reap the benefits from it. Anyone with any level of memory at all will remember very clearly that Obama denounced the war and this country.....and he should have given credit to the boys on the ground and not taken credit for the work himself....now he just looks like a 'scene stealer'.
TkWi-Where do you supposed much of BinLaden's money was being funneled through...duh..Iraq. Cut off the money and they have difficulty planning anything big again...notice that after our boys went to Iraq and Sadam was ousted..no other large plots came about or were even planned.....
People will remember that Obama in fact did nothing to bring this about...our military men and women did this and should be given ALL of the credit...something that Obama neglected to point out. A good President would have began his speech giving credit to them instead of taking up the spotlight.
WOW!!! How BIG is this!!!
This really is the biggest news since 9/11.
Way to go JSOC!!! US military!!! Even the CIA!!! POTUS!
To the people who died in 9/11.
YOU HAVE BEEN AVENGED!!!!
To the CIA. Especially those who died in the suicide bombing.
YOU HAVE BEEN AVENGED!!!
To the 3600+ military who died AND to ALL those injured or effected directly by the War on Terror.
YOU have been avenged!!!
Outstanding work!!!
Outstanding day for the USA!!!
Exactly. It isn't likely ANY president (or other political office) would have known about this until it was over; the people responsible for this tend to operate under everyone's grid.
This is what got this seed collapsed. How juvenile of a comment.
Karen in Los Angeles, I agree with what you said. President Obama's speech was fabulous. President Obama's speech gave us all we needed to know. He was very intelligent with his choice of words. Hands down, Obama is one of the best speakers ever to exist. This is such a major day and development. David, your post was excellent. Everything that I feel about this matter, you perfectly captured. Basically, I just ditto everything that you said. Thanks to the military, their families, the U.S. Government, etc.
It's only fitting that a democratic president clean up Clinton's mess.
This is good news. Nice job Obama!
Good day indeed, so much relief. Kudos to our Armed Forces.
Three cheers for the military, a cheer to the president for commanding the military action, and an ear piercing cheer to the friends and families that lost loved ones on 9/11.
On a side note: If the president did not issue the attack, who did? You may cheer the military for this accomplishment however, you must know that the president leads the military and is in charge of it. Saying the president had nothing to do with it is like saying the house you live in is a result of carpenters and not the developer. It takes them all, had the president not acted, the military would not have acted.
Does your hate for the president over-ride your common sense?
winkle
You displayed four paragraphs of your ignorance and pettiness. President Obama said during his campaign that Afghanistan was "the right war" and Iraq was "stupid". After becoming president he wound down the war in Iraq and escalated Afghanistan. George W. Bush stated several times that Bin Laden was not a priority. Obama decided that bin Laden was the "#1 priority" in the war on terror. He authorized the mission and the mission succeeded. In his speech he gave credit to the CIA, the military and even to W.
It's not surprising that people like you will still criticize because that is who you are and you can't help yourself. Tonight you appear to be very small and petty.
Karen in Los Angeles
It's true that W spent more time overseeing Afghanistan operations but he clearly stated that bin Laden was "not a priority." President Obama made bin Laden his highest priority target in the war on terrorism. He has stepped up operations along the Pakistan border, he authorized this mission and the mission was accomplished.
I guess he's the one who really has a right to say "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED." Right?
Obama is the COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, therefore is the leader of the military, and is the only one able to give the order, so YES, this is a victory for Obama, but also everyone involved!
This started under Bush and ten years later it was finished under Obama. To those who lost loved ones as a result of 9-11 and the ensuing wars, may this bring some peace to your life that their lives were not lost in vain. To the military, all branches, congratulations and thank-you for your service and sacrifice. Perhaps now the United States Military can wind down operations and come home. We love and miss you.
Peace and God Bless.
Why is this comment and any replies to it collapsed? Silly people.
Stop the sophmoric, partisan crap. This is a new national holiday people. Give kuddos to the Special Forces that pulled this off, stop pi$$ing in each other's corn flakes and enjoy the damned moment.
Congrats to all! This should be a victory shared by all, regardless of political affiliation. The next person to post some nonsense about how great Obama is will be crowned the biggest douche on Newsvine. I appreciate our President's great words tonight, he did well.
Moammar is next, unless he sees the light.
Its 80 degrees and 12:39 am here at W.U.S.A, this next one goes out to Usama Bin Laden,may Allah not rest his soul,......
Nowhere to run to, baby Nowhere to hide Got nowhere to run to, baby Nowhere to hide!! Sing it!!
Go U.S.A!!!!
Commonsense...I just hope he goes into the light.
winkiesixtysix
You really should not make post that show you have no knowledge of what is happening in the world. President Obama is the one who said we should not have started a war in Iraq and concentrated on getting bin Laden. Absolutely nothing you said is the truth. It sounds like you went to school at Fox News.
John-755418
It's only fitting that a democratic president clean up Clinton's mess.
This is good news. Nice job Obama!
What? Osama and others were trained to fight in Afghanistan by Regan and company...
Jobs done, time to pull out now.
LOL now they collapsed the first comment so they could collapse all the posts under it. Sounds like a group of people are a bit wounded with this news. ;)
LEADERSHIP.....Pass it on!
It's way past time to leave. However, I'm skeptical. This SOB has been dead for years. Sorry, but I don't believe one thing our government says. We've been lied to for years and now they're going to start telling the truth? Bullsh!t.
I know i will get collapsed but I want everyone to know that Obama was against us being there and i want to congratulate bush for this victory of killing this bastard. it was he goal to talk him down that led to this. as a former military member that served in Iraq i would like to say that it was bush's words that gave the American people hope that justice would be served. i wanted a kick a$$ speech saying we got the bastard instead we got some soppy freaking speech from Obama. as a patriot i wanted a Toby Keith speech that we put a boot in their a$$ cause it’s the American way.
David, your words are so true. We all need to come together again.
This is a great day for the USA. All of Us.
Just hope these Bin Laden worshipers don't try to attack us again.
Not to throw cold water on all your Celebrations.
We knew how Osama Bin Laden thought and did things.
Now, we have to figure out how Al Zawahiri thinks and does things.
This is not over yet. We have been here for years up in the mountains (Pamir) and will be up here for more years conducting US Military Asymmetric Warfare.
Gods, I hope they can do enough forensic work on the body to find out which SEAL got the kill. This was an incredible operation.
likely the sniper.. ;)
Just and only the best news in recent memory!
This is good news. There is more work to do. This cancer may have suffered a big defeat, but it is not gone yet. To have such a fortified compound so well established in Islamabad for essentially a figurehead means we need quickly find one or two more for the second and third in command.
Congrats US Forces! Well done!
Hey Ga-Daffy, YOU'RE NEXT!
Whats up with all the collapsing?? Geez people, get thicker skin!
I posted this again for all of the haters who collapsed it the first time. Go ahead and collapse it again. I'll just repost it.
If you are one of those who praised Bush and his Admin. for "keeping us safe" after 9/11, then it's time for you to give it up for Obama for "accomplishing the mission".
It was okay for you to praise Bush/Cheney, when it wasn't even their lives on the line or any personal effort made by them to fight terrorism.
Now you can praise Obama(yes I know our guys/gals in the field made it possible, and deserve the real credit).
Obama put the focus on Pakistan. Many said he was walking a fine line by allowing more drone strikes and covert ops into Pakistan. It looks like it paid off.
Give credit where it's due. If not for Obama, those he chose to lead the agencies/military branches involved, and the covert units, Bin Laden probably woudn't have been killed.
Obama probably deserves a little credit for putting political pressure on Pakistani leaders, to allow us to go in and kill Bin Laden.
Do you think Obama makes us look weak now?
No doubt those who hate Obama, will still refuse to give him any credit.
Hail to Leader Osama..
Whoops, I mean really to Hail Leader Obama.
Once again all the information will get locked up in a Classified Vault (again), as to who did what, where, when.
If you read my previous Newsvine posts then you know where we are, while conducting US Military Asymmetric Mountain Warfare. (you think it is very easy to send someone from near sea level to about 10,000 feet above sea level with no Mountain Warfare Training at the Pamir.).
As far as who put me in Command that happened long before Bush or Obama. Hint: Firefights do occur while conducting Reconnaissance and you are discovered, and of course your "Overwatch" (Snipers) will take out as many enemy targets to cover you.
add to post #1.123.
When the Reconaissance mission is discovered, we have found that instead of a Retrograde (Retreat) we Redacted Redacted Redacted Redacted Redacted. Our intelligence gained while performing the Reconaissance then becomes Actionable Intelligence for our Direct Action (Offensive).
A few weeks ago we eliminated Osama Bin Laden's New #3 Operations Officer, Redacted Redacted Redacted. As not announced by censored US News Media but stated on Arabic Al Jazeera.
We now have to realign ourselves as to counter how the new #1 of Al Quada International Franchise, Al Zawahiri, thinks and does things.
What is with you people? Who cares about politics the evil bastard is dead, raise a glass and have a toast to our military men and women for their service. By the way Bush was damned either way if he didn't act people would have called him a coward and when he did they called him a murderer he chose not to let terrorists get away with murdering our people. Yes the war got side tracked and it was costly and mistakes were made along the way but maybe finally we can take a breath. Btw that was an amazing speech Obama gave maybe if some of you had listened he asked for us to put aside our differences and become united again. No matter your political beliefs we're all Americans and whether you want it or like it Al Quada declared war on us. This is a day to celebrate and to reflect and hopefully get things back on track...
We now have to realign ourselves as to counter how the new #1 of Al Quada International Franchise, Al Zawahiri, thinks and does things. To counter his Actions.
US Law, 1998 H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act", aka "the Overthrow Law". After this US Law Failed, the US Senate added the 2002 Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution to use the US Military as the final solution to Overthrow President Hussein. I previously posted on Newsvine (topic Iraq) the reasons for the demanded US Overthrow of President Hussein.
We (US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces) cannot take a breath now, as the 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers are going to consider OBL (Osama Bin Laden) a Martyr per the Holy Koran (Quran) during the 109 Suras of the 114 Suras that Call All Islamic Believers to War Against the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers (everyone else).
It is not only Al Quada that declared war on us (Christians, Jews, Unbelievers (everyone else). I previously listed the composition (Command, Control, Coordination, Communications, Intelligence (C4I)) of the: Worldwide Islamic Military and the Worldwide Islamic Law Enforcement as supported by the 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers thru Mandatory Islamic Tithes.
As a Clarification to posts #1.123 and 1.124. After the Reconaissance Mission (Crediable Deniability US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces conducting Reconaissance Mission at Pakistan) went FUBAR (F**ked Up Beyond All Reason) and became a Direct Action. The Chain of Command was notified as to who, enemy personnel, were eliminated after the fact, President Obama being the last to be notified as to the "Target(s) of Opportunity" eliminated (still pending DNA confirmation). Didn't you wonder who would know how to treat the corpse in accordance with current Islamic Laws.
You celebrate, eat a big fat roast pork barbecue sandwich and drink a few beers (both Illegal here (Afghanistan)) for my men, women and myself. That is what we are going to do after years of consecutive tours (if we get out of here prior to 2015).
"I don't think so. Remember, George Bush started this whole thing. Obama only worked on it for 3 years."
Karen in LA,
Actually? Bush took the focus off of Afghanistan and needlessly diverted attention and resources away from there and over to Iraq. Most of us remember that, even if you don't.
And so, I will repeat. The Republicans are TOAST in 2012!!!!
Maybe that would have been......but now that we've all the sudden dumped his corpse at sea.......yeah not so much. Now it looks like a cover up.
Nope. US Law 1998 H.R. 4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act".
And FYI, sending more US Military Conventional Warfare Forces to an Asymmetric War (Afghanistan) is counter productive. As not to overstep my boundaries, research Asymmetric Warfare versus Conventional Warfare as to why Conventional Warfare Forces Historically always Fail.
NOTE: "Newsvine is the place to get Smarter", not post uninformed uneducated non factual opinions.
(Sarcasm) What I really love is the hypocritical "Democratic Rights" while most on Newsvine have turned Newsvine into a popularity contest of non factual opinions (votes) and Censorship as "Collapsed by the Community". The one discriptive word is Hypocrites (regardless of Political Party, Repugnants, Demoncraps, In Depends (Adult Diapers)).
david,
I'll gladly confess. I'm not a graduate of West Point, Sandhurst, or any other military academy. I'm only an amateur history buff, so I'll gladly defer to your expertize in military tactics. Having said that, I'd like to ask you a question. Why has every single commander in Afghanistan, consistently requested more and more troops? Could it be that you're more proficient in and have more knowledge of military tactics, than any of them? Because if that's really the that case? I only wish I was there in person to have the privilege of shaking your hand.
I am glad that he is gone. Many thousands of innocent people have died as a result of his actions and influence and the lives of many more will carry scars both physical and emotional with them for the rest of their lives. Hope his death will close this terrible chapter in our recent history for good.
This is of course good news. What is significant is how we did it. No drone strikes or cruise missiles. Great job by our special forces. Great job by the President and choosing this way to get it done.
This has to be bad news for the Pakistan government. A lot of people obviously knew what was going on in this enormous compound. The President gave them credit for a tip, but I believe that was just being nice. Maybe someone in their government actually did provide some tip, but you have to ask why Pakistan's government didn't act. They have just lost any credibility they had and any future complaints they have about any of our actions there, have just lost any meaning whatsoever.
It would be nice to say that this ends things, but of course that would be wishful thinking. In fact, it's quite likely that this will trigger some attempted retaliation in the short term. What does appear positive though is that virtually all major governments are so far seeing this as a positive development. Even some in the Arab world.
It may take days for all this to settle in and who really knows where it will go. But, in a lot of respects, the timing is right for this to be a very positive thing. With a huge portion of the Arab world now seeking more democratic styles of government and protesting against leadership by strong arm tactics, maybe this will be an opportunity to reject getting attention through terrorist tactics. Maybe I'm being a bit optimistic, but I think that this happening today, has significantly different implications than it would have a year ago. Time will tell.
Kudos to all involved including the CIA and the US military with it's truly remarkable capabilities and dedicated individuals. Kudos also to our Commander in Chief for giving the go ahead for this daring mission. It would have been so easy to just level this compound from afar. But this is much more decisive, even if the results would have been the same.
Good riddance to that despicable wretch. Good that they buried him at sea; poses less of a lightning rod for muslim extremists to use to incite further violence, particularly against US interests. Also no grave for him to be worshiped at. I pray that this may mark the beginning of the end of Islamist terrorism, however unlikely.
May Day for Bin Laden...Congratulations to our brave military heroes and President Obama.
I certainly hope every American will be flying their flag today in an act of solidarity.
I guess liberals still have deluded memories…Obama campaigned against the war and was preparing to bring troops home.
Now that Osama is dead, Obama takes the credit and the masses worship him???
Ben Birdsey, Osama declared war on the United States during the Clinton presidency and attacked the USS Cole during that time. Clinton did nothing.
FedupwithFed - I'm fed up with you; you're an idiot. 'nough said.
I don't understand why people are so quick to believe that he is really dead, when we killed sadam we witnessed it. Where is the pic to prove that he is dead. They burried his body at see, BS. I will believe it when I see it.
The only pic I saw was a pic that was put out on the web before and proven to be a fake.
Why all the collasped postings? This is ridiculous! Public Enemy #1 is DEAD!
Yeee hawwwwwwwwwwwwww!
To Fed - YEP! I most certainly will give the credit to Obama! Hahaha!
Shark Bait! Let's go fishing!
mygirl, when you hear a number from the media that doesn't sound right, it's probably not. Either way it's not good, but there were not 47,000 dead. That is a ridiculous overstatement. That number is 47,000 killed or wounded. The actual coalition casualties were only about 15% of that grossly inflated number.
Hooray that osama bin laden is dead!
I don't care whose "watch" it happened on, just glad he is dead.
I do wish they had fed osama's corpse to pigs, shot them afterwards, and buried them in one grave.
Photos/video of his dead ass would have been nice. Anyone remember how it was done with saddam's boys?
Now, take this the wrong way if you wish but I think it is carelessly disrespectful to credit obama with this great news. First, giving credit to someone who has never done any of the "dirty work" is ludicrous. obama has never done any of the "dirty work" that this sort of success requires. obama never served in the military at any time. Credit should go to every intelligence worker, every soldier, sailor, airmen, and marine. Never forget the war dead that gave their lives for this country. Has obama ever put himself in harm's way for this country? No.
Please rethink your statements before posting.
Obama alone okayed the risky and controversial operations in Pakistan. This as an extension to Bush setting up the original operations to hunt down Bin Laden. Both deserve credit.
They, the military, the CIA, and WE deserve credit and the relief of knowing that it is finally done.
God Bless America!!!!!
Where is the proof of death? They dumped his ass in the ocean, like we give a rats ass what his muslim custom for burial is? He deserves as much respect as he gave. May he burn in hell forever and realize that he was so foolish for believing his false god allah and the virgins are not coming!
I think my restoring finger is going to be really tired by the end of the day. Lots of comments restored, not stuff like this:
JonMavrick, Toasty McGrath, everyone else, obviously there's a lot of reactions to be had and some of it's political, but keep the petty slapfighting somewhere else. First rule.
Fedup---, he was anionted in pig blood 1st!
FedupwithFed -
You are so full of it! Obama campaigned for EXPANDING the war in Afghanistan and against as Qaeda.
You are the one who doesn't remember correctly. Obama ran on this. Sorry you are so disappointed in our victory that you can't say one good thing.
Very unpatriotic of you.
fedupwiththefed,......YOU are the one with "deluded memories".
Obama campaigned on taking troops out of IRAQ and INCREASING troops in AFGHANISTAN were the REAL war was being fought.
Obama fulfilled that promise.
And Karen in LA.....sure Bush started it and Obama only worked on it for 2 1/2 years. So lets see...after 8 years Bush got nothing done, and Obama accomplished it in 2 1/2. I do beleive that makes OBAMA look FAAAAAAAAAR more competent.
fed, while I am GLAD the b-stard is dead - we don't need to inflame the Muslims any more than necessary.
I support the burial at sea to prevent any grave site from becoming a shrine.
Gawd, even proof positive DNA ain't gonna satisfy you! Take your hatred of PRESIDENT OBAMA and shove it.
I will give Obama at least some credit for this. He gave the order to go after him as CIC. The bulk of the credit does belong to the brave troops who actually did the deed! They are the true heroes!
Osama bin Ladin didn't fly the planes into the WTC but he sure got the credit for ordering it.
You cannot have it one way and not the other.
OTHER LOSERS are the radicals in this country who think only one party is responsible for killing Bin Laden. You can just see their veins popping out of their face as they either rage to criticize Obama or slap themseves silly to praise the President.
Of course, from the President down to the special ops teams, there were actually Democratics and Republicans, thinking conservatives and liberals responsible, and who can take credit no matter what morons say. And its been that way, no matter what. Thanks to anyone involved.
Haters can move to Pakistan. I hear they need new As*h*les to hide.
I will give credit to the president for this operation, good job. Now if he could do the same type of actions for the rest of his presidency we would not be at the verge of bankruptcy, our respect lost around the world, and our credit rating diving so soon we will have to borrow at the same rate as Greece.
Give him credit, but do not re-elect, our country can not stand another four years of Him and his supporters without falling.
Vote George Washington, he may not do anything, but nothing is much better then what this administration has done!
Oh, and for you that want to yell about respect for the presidency, I gave the same respect to him that he gave to his predecessor, who by the way was not much better.
Tbenton - speak for yourself. I plan to vote for Obama. So will many, many others.
Sucks to be you.
The reasons for burying his body at sea are specious. I don't suggest that it be placed on gruesome display but it would have been more appropriate to bring the body stateside for forensics and a group of respected medical examiners to make a final statement. The sea burial is going to raise many questions and fan flames of conspiracy that need not have been aroused.
Fantastic news! Justice prevails!
Lets hope Secretary Clinton and Senator Kerry will re-evaluate carrying bundles of our tax dollars to the terrorist State of Pakistan.
He has not been buried at sea. He's laid out on an exam table at Area 51...right next to that Roswell alien.
Roswell, huh? Perhaps laid to rest under Lenin's corpse? Buried with the unknown soldier? This is now getting rather fishy (pun intended)
To ALL of you giving any credit except for 'rubber stamping' the op to Obama give it a rest. The fact is that Obama has absolutely ZERO military experience of any kind and likely as not has no idea what the difference between an Green Baret, Navy Seal and a Marine are.
Give credit where it is actually due, to the men and women who sacrafice each day for us. THE US MILITARY servicemen and women.
My second concern now is....."they buried him at sea"........what real proof do we have that he is actually dead. Unless there is a picture of him lying there dead this could all be a political ploy for Obama to use for his campaign to get back into the white house. The fact is that his 'economic recovery' plans are not working..........say what you like in the media but the middle class or shall I say what is left of it certainly has not noticed anything. The only thing I have noticed is Obamacare being crammed down our throats and a potential upcoming fine if I can't afford to purchase health insurance. Thanks for the kick in the teeth Obama.
Prove it or it didn't happen. I would say this for whomever was in office....Obama should prove it, if McCain had won and was in office I would say prove it. If it didn't happen until after the 2012 election I would say prove it. American's need to stop blindly believing what politicians say is true and demand proof of it and not just for this...........everything. As we all know politicians are all about getting elected and not much more. None of them are above twisting the truth and flat out lying to get what they want.
FedUpWithTruth(er, Fed),
Nope. Obama campaigned on taking it to al Qaeda in Afghanistan and pursuing them in Pakistan. Upon election, he called for recommendations from the military to do just that. The generals recommended more troops in Afghanistan, and Obama provided them. Obama also ordered an increase in the use of drones and covert ops in Pakistan, more than doubling the use by the previous administration. Obama also worked with Pakistan, who sent troops into several of the tribal areas in WAFA and NWFP, severely crippling the Taliban in South Waziristan and other areas. He ordered the CIA to make the capture or kill of bin Laden a top priority, and made sure the resources were made available.
And he succeeded.
I don't think you have a deluded memory; it seems that you were just hopelessly misinformed from the outset, and never bothered to apprise yourself of what Obama actually said and did. Opinion based on faulty information is worthless.
10 years to figure out the difference between a "Calamatist " and "terrorist "
CLINTONS WAR IS OVER !
Well actually, President Obama called President Bush (JR) before letting us know. Why? Because President Obama followed up on an action commenced during the Bush Administration.
WE ARE ALL AMERICANS. STOP POLITICIZING THIS. ALMOST ANY PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE DONE WHAT OBAMA DID. I CONGRATULATE OBAMA FOR MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION.
I CONGRATULATE THE SPECIAL FORCES. I CONGRATULATE THE MILITARY.
I congratulate the American people. Even someone in the elevator, who I did not know at all, made a comment about Osama bin Laden being dead. That is how important this is.
Winky: With that line of thought then Truman did not win WWII, nor Mc Arthur won in the Pacific, nor Eisenhower won in Europe, nor Bush Sr. won the Gulf war. Military experience or not, my misinformed friend, he is the Commander in Chief. Have the operation failed you would have been in line screaming out of your lung that it was 'his' failure, as it was Carter's in '79 with the botched rescue in Iran. He could have chosen to do nothing about it, but he took action, he gave the proper agencies the green light to do whatever it took to capture him. Of course he wasn't there, neither was Bush Jr. before him, yet he (Jr.) will have to carry the weight of missing the opportunity to have him in 2002, and to put us in a 'unnecessary burden' by going after Saddam, when everybody knew he was not the threat but Osama (I forgot that both families have 'ties'). Whether you like it or not, the Commander in Chief (Obama) instructed our forces to carry the operation and they did so brilliantly. Go and cry somewhere else.
PAYBACK, is a mother ain't it? Did my heart good to finally see US citizens dancing in the streets on TV last night cause this ugly sob was dead. I'm guessing the muslim world is steaming today seeing us party like they did when the towers fell. Whoopee, i'm goin to disneyland!
We should all stop about the so called death of OBL.
If we did kill him as obama says, why no pics to show, why burry him at see, To honor the muslim way? Let me ask you this, did OBL honor our men, women and children when he had his men fly planes into our building? No he didn't.
So lets just stop for a second and act like it were true, don't you feel the least but slighted that you were not shown that he was dead, that we honored his religion when he hated us sooooo much that our people had to suffer the way they did.
It is total BS I want to see proof of this monsters death. I don't care what anyone says, they can say I am raining on their parade, they can say I am an Obama hater, it doesn't matter who was in office, if you do not show me proof and are so qick to throught the so called body of OBL in the ocean I am not believing you. All polliticians lie. It is in their nature.
SHOW ME THE BODY AND THE DNA PROOF.
And I need proof that a real American exists in this country that would post the above and expect to be taken seriously.
(your DNA proof is on its way! Get your lab coat ready!! Your photos, complete with photo authentication kit, is on its way! )
I hate to sound skeptical but I'm w/ Just Me. If the only choice was to bury him at sea, he should not have been buried at sea until a sufficient number of credible people had ID (sorry but the CIA is not known for its transparency).
Just Me
If you had even the slightest capacity for reasonable thought you would realize that any conspiracy that involves more than a couple of people will almost certainly fail. That is why there is no credibility in the conspiracy theories about (1) the faked moon landing, (2) the "missing" Barack Obama birth certificate, (3) the staged death of Osama bin Laden. Conspiracies involving any of those events would have required the collusion of hundreds, if not thousands, of people. I know you don't like the President and choose not to trust him, but do you really think that all of the military involved in the operation would just remain silent? Ridiculous!
You think you are "raining" on Obama's parade. Actually, you are merely identifying yourself as a loon. You do not have enough "water" to rain on anyone's parade.
Here's a thought. The CIA, FBI and Interpol Most Wanted lists...Do they just remove his photo & name from the list? Or do they have a little fun and put a big red bow across it? Black wreath? Or maybe a black slash through it? Maybe a red dot right in the middle of his forehead.
Just wondering.
don97524 ftw.
The launch of the Afghanistan invasion was the right move under Bush W.
The killing of Bin Laden in Pakistan was the right move under Obama.
Both Presidents deserve praise for their actions and only the pin heads would argue otherwise.
That's a good question Lola. I think they put a slash through it and mark it "DEAD."
To the naysayers, LISTEN TO THE NEWS. I listen to news radio constantly.
The DNA report has come back. It was Obama.
And to the people who questions why we honored his body, while I would have wanted to stomp on it like they did to our American citizens, I think we held the higher ground but respecting his religion like we wish he respected our rights.
Osama Bin Laden is DEAD! I think I'm going to join Glenn at Disneyland especially since it's going to be in the 80s today.
Derek
Many of us still wonder why Bush decided that bin Laden was no longer a priority. Thankfully, President Obama made this the number one mission in the "war on terror" .... and it succeeded.
Very disappointing that some of you are making this into a political bitch slap.
Bin Laden is dead!!!!!!
don, I'll be honest, I think that is a very cynical view. Going back to the time, I think Bush followed the advice he was being given in trying to nab Bin Laden at Tora Bora. The advice was flawed, based on a flawed assessment of the situation at Tora Bora, and so Bin Laden escaped. A lot of people deserve blame for that, but I think you have to be bordering on conspiracy theory to think anyone let Bin Laden purposefully escape.
We can argue the details but really, it is all hindsight now. There are policies of both Bush W. and Obama I don't support. Their actions in pursuit of Bin Laden from Afghanistan to Pakistan I did, do and will forever.
River Dog
This is not political. It is merely an effort to get state the facts correctly. Many Viners have stated that Bush and Obama should have equal credit for this successful mission. President Obama raised the priority to find Osama bin Laden, he approved the strategy, he authorized the mission ..... and he was successful. Not politics to report that ... it's just the truth.
That's what she said.
LOL, sorry, I couldn't resist ;)
Someone explain to me why they've already buried the body at sea? I mean, I understand that retaining possession of it makes us a target to other terrorist groups, but it would have been nice if they had brought the body to NYC and let the New Yorkers there set it on fire, piss on it, and then set it on fire again.
And I'm not normally this morbid, either.
Yeah J - I'm sure that wouldn't provoke any retaliation.
@don, you only have it half right, I DISLIKE ALL POLITICIANS, THEY ALL LIE. I do not believe a word they say. They all either tell 1/2 truths or flate out lies to get what they want and people like you who believe every word that comes out of their mouths, well thats just plain stupid.
I could give a reat as$ who was in office with the so called death of osama, proove it to me. I got to watch the deat of saddam its only natural for me to want to see that what they are telling me is true.
If you think for 1 minute I care what you or anyone else thinks of me, you are mistaken. You mean nothing to me and you can call me every name in the book. I will still be smiling, I will still live my happy life and I will still believe or not believe whateve I want to and if that bothers you, don't read my post. Its as simple as you oooops I mean that.
Point taken-but on the other hand, bin Laden's boys couldn't get any more pissed off than they are now, can they?
Anyway, it's really just a moot point, since the body's been disposed of.
Just Me
It seems rather foolish to me that someone such as yourself who doesn't believe any politician would bother to follow the news and to comment on Newsvine. Do you just log on to tell everyone that you don't believe any of it and that you have still another irrational belief to share with a bunch of strangers? I don't understand you.
For my part, I have nothing personal against you. My comments are really addressed to all of those who, like yourself, harbor irrational beliefs that take the place of reasonable discourse.
Burial at sea, burial in ground... I didn't know that getting rid of the garbage was such a complication.
@don, you say you have nothing against me but it was my name you mentioned not everyone who shares my views. As far as the news is concerned I forgot they ALWAYS tell the truth.
I am allowed to have my oppinions as you are yours, I didn't call you out untill you called me out 1st. I am simply defending myself against your comment to me as I recallm you called me a loon.
Go back to read your post and you will see why I came right back at you.
If I am skepticle I have a right to be. There has not been 1 politician that has told the truth as long as I can remember.
That first tweet was innocuous: "Helicopter hovering above Abbottabad at 1AM (is a rare event)."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42855474/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/
So they raided at 1am, fought for 40 minutes, killed OBL, washed his body, wrapped him in white, said a few words and dumped him in the ocean by 2 am? Something smells fishy here!
Fedup -- you need to pay attention to your time zones:
Quoted from the article: "Preparations for at-sea burial began at 1:10 a.m. EST and were completed at 2 a.m. EST," the official said."
Just Me
There is a great deal of space between always and never. You never believe politicians .... I get that. But just because I believe that is a foolish position does not mean that I always believe them. I reject irrational conspiracy theories. The conspiracy theory in which you believe that the US military did not kill bin Laden is not rational because it would require collusion among at least 100 different people, not all of whom are supporters of President Obama. Your reasoning? All politicians lie. That is a very foolish reason to believe anything.
Well you have the right to your oppinion and I have a right to mine so I will have to just agree to dis agree and not waiste my time with you any longer. Thanks for your imput and being adult about it by name calling. Have a nice day.
don with the number
I HATED President Bush Jr. I NEVER voted for him.
That said, I completely disagree with your commenthat Bush did not consider Osama Bin Laden a priority. WHAT WAS THE CONTEXT? POST THE ACTUAL QUOTE NOT YOUR SUMMARY. I'd like to know the context so I can judge for myself. I seem to recall something like that but it's not the way you position it.
JUST SO YOU KNOW - I HATE OBAMA TOO.
And why do YOU think that Obama called Bush Jr. before telling the rest of America that Osama was dead?
OBAMA SHOWED PROFESSIONAL COURTESY TO THE PERSON WHO STARTED THIS WHOLE OPERATION. If you were paying attention to the news, and not political pundits, you would have discovered that this operation commenced FOUR YEARS AGO.
FOUR YEARS AGO, OBAMA WAS NOT IN OFFICE, BUSH JR. WAS.
BOTH OF THEM DESERVE CREDIT.
I did not call you any "names." What I did say is that to never believe whatever any one of a large group of people says is foolish. To always believe someone or a group of people is also foolish. Sometimes some actual thought processes are needed. By following your extreme and irrational beliefs you have decided not to think for yourself and you arrive at conclusions that make no sense to a rational person.
You need a reason to believe a conspiracy theory. "All politicians lie" is a poor reason to just believe the opposite of what they say. What happens when two politicians say opposite things? Do you just believe nothing in that case? You should know why you believe whatever you believe ..... otherwise people will believe you are foolish. Some of us will even tell you you are being foolish.
Please don't vote. None of those politicians, in your opinion, are to be believed anyway and you can't think logically enough to case a wise vote. There are no conspiracy theories on the ballot anyway.
Karen in Los Angeles
Find your own quote. I am not writing a term paper here and I am not going to search out references in order to teach you recent history and current events. What I will tell you is that I saw George W. Bush interviewed on television approximately five years ago and he stated that catching Osama bin Laden was not a priority. However, I do not have a photographic memory and I do not remember the time, place or the interviewer.
You don't need to bother saying you hate President Obama .... it's obvious from your biased comments.
ok, so now can we stop sending money to Pakistan???
I think Hillary should ask for a refund!
"And why do YOU think that Obama called Bush Jr. before telling the rest of America that Osama was dead?
OBAMA SHOWED PROFESSIONAL COURTESY TO THE PERSON WHO STARTED THIS WHOLE OPERATION. If you were paying attention to the news, and not political pundits, you would have discovered that this operation commenced FOUR YEARS AGO.
FOUR YEARS AGO, OBAMA WAS NOT IN OFFICE, BUSH JR. WAS.
BOTH OF THEM DESERVE CREDIT."
Karen in LA,
You keep on missing the whole point. Yes, we all remember that Bush started this war, you don't have to keep on repeating that. What people are trying to get you to understand is that Bush didn't get the job done. Long before the mission was ever accomplished, he found something else to distract him, namely Iraq and the WMD's. Once we went into Iraq, Afghanistan immediately became second fiddle, don't you remember? Obama, on the other hand, has been saying since even before he got elected, that he would put the focus back on Afghanistan and the hunt for Bin-Laden. Now do you get it?
Al: She won't make that admission.
You're not teaching me a damn thing. I don't need to know anything from you.
HOWEVER, IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT AS IF IT IS FACT, THEN YOU BETTER BACK IT UP IF IT IS NOT COMMON KNOWLEDGE.
Otherwise, you're just talk and talk is cheap. I can say a lot of things. There is a big difference between you and me. I actually use facts.
Al - were you alive before 1960? Probably not. We had this war called the Vietnam war. Eisenhower got us involved when the French couldn't finish the job. Wasn't Eisenhower a 5 star general? Well, he couldn't finish the Vietnam war ande everybody liked Ike.
Eventually President Nixon got us out of Vietnam but it's not like we won anything. People remarked that Vietnam was not like the other wars because the troops did not know how to work in jungles and the different environment.
The Middle East is a desert. It's another challenge. So what that Bush did not find Osama Bin Laden. As reported by CBS, this operation that Obama finished was started by Bush. THAT IS A FACT.
THe bottom line is Obama did not have to call Baby Bush before he told us but he did, as reported by the Tiffany network, and there is only one logical reason - it was to say - WE DID IT.
don with the number
Dick Cheney just said on ABC News that Osama Bin Laden was a priority for the Bush Administration. Dick Cheney was the real President as we all know so - Osama Bin Laden was a priority for Bush which completely squashes your comment.
Richard Clarke (remember who he is?) just said (also on ABC News) that Osama Bin Laden was a priority for all 3 administrations (including Clinton).
Hey Al - why didn't you blame Clinton for not getting Osama?
Same @!$%# different day
That's funny,Bush is on video saying that he was not a Top priority.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qd4QMODnCc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Q0Lf-iLXs
Karen in LA,
The fact that I've obviously struck a nerve, tells me all I need to know. If there was no truth to what I was saying, you would've never reacted the way you did. I was a kid during Vietnam, but I'll bet you I know more about it that you do, simply by being a life long history buff. Karen, you have NO idea how badly you embarrass yourself during some of these discussions, but then it's like they say. Ignorance is bliss.
Now to answer your question. Why don't I blame Clinton? Because he's not the one who chose to ignore a memo titled, "Bin Laden determined to attack US", that's why.
You tell her.
You have to be kidding. Oh, I should off myself because a computer blob says I am embarrassing myself. Puh-leez, spare us the BS.
To the person who posted you tube videos, if you all want to be smart one day, I suggest you stick with primary sources. Dick Cheney is a primary source. He is a person with direct knowledge of a situation.
Anybody can post anything on youtube and even doctored videos too. I think I've looked at you tube a grand total of 5 times in my entire life. You tubes ARE NOT primary sources of information. They are even suspect.
Instead of you tube, I devour real news. I am particularly fond of CBS radio news also known as the Tiffany network. I listen to CBS radio news all day, every day. That is why I have facts at my disposal.
Neither don with the number or al from nor cal have these facts at their fingertips.
Karen in LA,
Ok, I know I've heard all I need to hear! What are you, 90 and completely senile? Why on earth wouldn't I have access to network news? Karen, they sell TV's and radios to anybody, not just you. See what I mean about embarrassing yourself? It's not true because I say it is, it's true because you really do it. "Spare us the BS", Who's us? In case you haven't noticed? No one's voting for your comments! Now, if you have so many "facts" at your disposal and you don't trust YouTube. Why don't you dig up those quotes from Bush yourself? He really did say that Bin Laden wasn't a priority. I don't understand how you can remember the Eisenhower administration, but you can't remember that! It was just a few years ago. Are you starting to see what I mean about embarrassing yourself?
Karen in Los Angeles
Bush is on the video speaking for himself.
If you do not want people to prove you wrong every time you speak, don't.
@don, I never said conspiracy theory, or conspiracy at all, I said I wont believe it unless you show me the proof. As for calling me names you said I was a loon, simply because I want to see proof. I am not the only person who shares the same feelings I do.
It is only human nature to want to believe that osama is dead. If I recall correctly it is not the 1st time we were told he was dead, a pic of him and another muslim morphed together was going around the internet. I am simply stating that I will believe it when I see it. There is nothing irrational about it.
ron, interesting clips, and I remember watching that speech. At the time, I thought to myself that he obviously doesn't want to talk about the sore spot that he had been unable to bring Bin Laden to justice. But it was, to me, very clear that it was the wrong way to deal with the question. He simply should have stated that catching Osama Bin Laden was a top priority, and that he was still frustrated, but that he was doing everything in his power to catch him. Say it even if was a lie. I personally don't think it would have been a lie, but with history, those who wish to say Bush W. lost sight of the main objective have quite a bit of evidence. Certainly not left to this speech alone.
Karen in Los Angeles
You are denser than I realized. The YouTube videos are clips of actual events. They ARE primary sources because they show the events as they actually happened ..... events like W saying that bin Laden was not a big deal.
JustMe
You are also denser than I realized. Even though you never wrote the words "conspiracy theory" you need to realize that your refusal to believe the reports that bin Laden was killed requires you to believe that the President, the CIA and the military all acted together to lie about his death. That would be a conspiracy. Get it? Only a loon would believe such a thing.
Sorry for not providing you with a response sooner. Without being too disrespectful to certain people (Academy Graduates). The Majority of Academy types arebased on Political Nominations (not based on earned previous proven Military Experience). At their time at the Academies they are taught Military Conventional Warfare, not the importance of Asymmetric Warfare (current and future Wars).
This is based on what they are trained to do as Conventional Warfare. As quantity to hold the Ground, and not quality to go after the enemy Asymmetric Warfare Fighters as skill versus skill.
The other Political Reason is that investing in the Longterm Training, Experience and Retention of US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces (Decades); is not as popular as providing Jobs to manufacture expensive Conventional Warfare Equipment (Aircraft Carriers, SSBNs, Aircraft, etc.). This makes the Conventional Warfare Flag Officers (Generals and Admirals) more popular with US Congress (those that confirm nominations, promotions, etc.).
Also think about why some Generals and Admirals will throw US Military Personnel with minimal training and combat experience into a Asymmetric Warfare situation. If you say it is to gain experience, it is NOT, it is to justify their piece of the US Defense Budget during a time of PresidentialDefense Budget Cuts. Seriously, think about this, if the General's or Admiral's US Military Forces are chopped that puts the Generals or Admirals out of a Job.
Only, because my men, women, myself have been doing this (US Military Asymmetric Warfare for decades, recalled over and over again to Active Duty and indefinite extensions, aka "National Security"). As far as coming here to shake my hand, I would not wish this place (even for a day, hour, minute, second) on my worst enemy (makes previous Iraq seem to be a Disneyland Vacation).
There is a lot of errata being developed, Research: 1. Who normally uses MH-60s "Pave Hawks" (not USN SH-60s "Sea Hawks"), heard a News Caster call the MH-60s "Pave Lows" (previous USAF MH-53s "Pave Lows", last time I was in one of those was 2007). 2. Who uses MH-47s (flight from Bagram AFB to USN Ship). 3. Who was the closest (at Bagram AFB) that were already trained to fly Night Time Special Operations Missions, as well as equipped with stereoscopic (depth perception) Night Vision Devices (only one Unit in the entire US Military. learned the hard way during Mogadishu Somalia, identical Reconnaissance/Raid except we learned from our mistakes) and not Night Vision Monoculars (no depth perception), I previously posted, August 2009, about the goat rope the US Civilians here put us thru to get the unique rechargeable batteries for our NVDs. 4. Just some food for thought, what Blue Light (our predecessors) proved was that you cannot train Stateside and expect the same conditions at the target, no matter how hard you attempt to duplicate the known conditions and attempt to plan for contingencies (note: the news first said that the training occurred at a full scale mock up at Virginia, and now they are saying a mock up at Bagram AFB). 5. Many times in the past, the actual events were recorded and locked up in Classified Vaults, and Stateside Units were attributed with the Missions as to avoid retaliations (harder to get someone Stateside than locally). Couple of times before while at Germany we were attributed with Missions we never conducted and used as tethered goats (Bait), we really did not appreciate that, as we were not told (potential threat to our families), and were surprised when we heard it on the News that we performed certain Missions.
karen in l.a....a direct quote from former president bush jr. at a press conference where he states that bin laden is not a concern less than a year after 9/11. I took an excerpt out of the whole interview with that one quote...you can look up the entire interview for yourself at the white house's own website...the link is provided at the end...keep telling yourself that bush is the hero.
For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
March 13, 2002
President Bush Holds Press Conference
Press Conference by the President
The James S. Brady Briefing Room
THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon.....
Nice effort Joe...she doesn't care.
You took it out of context but thank you for the press release to prove it.
I WILL NEVER WATCH YOU TUBES. As I do know how to manipulate video images, etc., and considering that YOU TUBE IS NOT REPUTABLE.
It's kind of like how we never saw Rodney King driving at speeds in excess of 100mph on crack. All we saw is the beating he deservedly got. I DON'T WATCH YOU TUBE.
Have a nice day gentlemen. I have work to do.
karen, totally understand what you're saying, however, youtube also shows posts of interviews, news reports, and archived news reports...which is why some people are trying to link others to youtube...it's not totally illegitimate, but I definitely agree with you on youtube....videos are so easily manipulated, especially if they were posted by random people and not by the news companies themselves or the people of interest themselves...however you can learn alot from youtube, I've learned how to take apart a computer and replace parts and putting it back together with no problems, I learned how to do many things from youtube with its many useful posts from replacing a kitchen faucet to how to build your own car...the pros outweigh the cons in that type of case, so don't totally write off youtube...see for yourself, on whatever subject you want, from gardening to whatever it is you're interested in...
however, bush did shift his view from bin laden to saddam hussien...when people were telling him about bin laden before 9/11, he was quoted as saying he wasn't interested in swatting small flys, instead keeping his eyes on the ball in iraq...I believe he truly didn't care about bin laden and just went through the motions of at least appearing so...and when obama took over, he shifted the whole thing back to afghanistan and started withdrawal of iraq...and put the focus once more on bin laden...and what happened? It's history now, baby, and irrefutable...
Karen
They showed the Bush news conference stating his indifference to bin Laden on MSNBC also, so it wasn't just on YouTube. It was also the news conference that I referenced in an earlier comment and you wanted the reference. You have been supplied that reference several times now, but you choose to keep your head firmly buried in the sand. There it shall remain.
This makes me sick...to make such a comment on this thread...says heaps.
joe420er,
Kudos on your intelligent and rational posts. But you're trying to reason with the unreasonable.
Bush declines Obama invitation to attend memorial at Ground Zero.
Below is the link to the AP news story.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_bush
Joe - I have ZERO time to sort through hundreds of thousands of You Tubes for information but thank you for your take on You Tubes.
In addition, I refuse to use You Tube because it is my firm belief that this organization sponsors copyright infringement. I abhor copyright infringers and turned in a website to the MPAA the other day. The MPAA filed suit.
With respect to my "refusal" to listen to the rest of you. Frankly, I did listen to you. It clear that you hate Bush. I hate Bush too but I don't lie about him.
Suffice it to say that you don't know how to read things in context. If you don't understand what that means, ask a professor.
Karen
This is much more about getting the facts correct. Many of us are just trying to be well informed and, while we have our biases, we are attempting to understand current events in a logical, rational fashion.
Bush decided not to make bin Laden his top priority. His news conference stating his feelings about bin Laden have been shown on MSNBC and the same news conference is available on YouTube. If you do not want to avail yourself of the current information I don't understand why you are so convinced that you know what is going on.
You have stated on Newsvine that Bush deserves equal credit for finding bin Laden. The facts prove you wrong. Recognition of the truth does not indicate who hates who ..... it only shows who seeks the truth and who finds reasons to avoid the truth.
wow...of course bush declined...there would be riotings at ground zero if he showed his face...especially cheney...but come on! they couldn't even make that effort? no matter how low my opinion of them was, it just went even more subterranean...they still had a lot to do with what happened...
also, regarding youtube...i'm sure it's not hard to narrow down whatever you want to find, that's what that search bar in the upper left corner of the webpage is...for example, if one wanted to search for, hmm, say, the zapruder film of the kennedy speech, or robert kennedy's awesome speech in detroit during the race riots in which he stopped! the riot, or martin luther king's i have a dream speech...you could. youtube's not a total waste. there's valuable historical footage in there, so, like i said, don't totally write it off. not everything's manipulated. most news out there are anyway, and it's usually up to us to wade through all that bog and find that one gold nugget, i guess...lol, didn't really know where I was going in that last sentence but i guess that turned out alright...
wow i totally zoned out while typing...i meant the zapruder film of the kennedy assassination...I guess I was thinking ahead too quick...and I guess I was wrong about RFK's location, i guess it was in Indianapolis, right after the assassination of Martin Luther King...
Don,
You need to grow up, you think that calling people names makes you right? You know you are nothing but a coward hiding behind a key board I take nothing you say to heart and I actually pitty you for being so closed minded. You must not have any friends because I couldn't imagin anyone wanting to be around someone who thinks that what they say is right and if you don't agree with it you are a loon or are dense.
I am not the only person wanting to see proof. This would not the 1st time that a lie came out of the mouths of the government, if it is a lie. I find it hard to believe simply because of the suspicious way they say it all went down.
All I need is to see the proof, and not them SAYING that they have DNA proof.
As far as all them people telling lies, well they are now saying it was a lie that OBL was in gunfire with them.
well they have a video of the raid, it must have a shot of bin laden looking into the end of a gun. That would be better than a shot of a dead body
Just Me
I have no doubt whatsoever that you will spend the rest of your life chasing conspiracy theories and doubting any information from the government that does not suit your preconceived biases. You will, however, be disappointed over and over because those government officials have no responsibility to deliver to your doorstep any birth certificates, death certificates or any other proof that they are doing their jobs. No one has a responsibility to prove to you that Osama bin Laden is dead. This is really no different than the birther issue. The Hawaii state government certified Obama's birth. That was their job. The CIA and several other government entities have certified bin Laden's death. That is their job. We live in a representative government. There is no responsibility to provide proof to every individual. Write to your senator or congressman.
Releasing the photos or videos would likely cause more harm than good, and probably result in needless deaths of Americans overseas, just as innocent Americans were killed when the idiot Preacher Jones burned the Koran.
Obama is right about one thing: You can believe any whacked out conspiracy theory you want, but, in the end, no one will ever see Osama bin Laden walking around again.
Let the whiners whine. That bin Laden character is dead as a mackerel and nothing they say will change it.
Don, you could not be more wrong, I never questioned or requested or demanded to see obamas birth certificate. You don't know me, but because I question this 1 thing, you think you do. Funny.
As I stated before, it is the suspicous way they say it went down period. Like 4moreyears I would be satisfied with a still shot of BIn Laden at gun point before being shot.
A person chasing conspriracy theories around would be jumping at more then just this 1 issue. You are so quick to believe that it was Bin Laden, I am not.
I am sure that you are one of the people who think George Bush lied about believing that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, does that make you a conspiracy theorist?
Fact: There were no WMD in Iraq -- either Bush lied or his "intelligence" council did.
No room for "conspiracy theory" in it. Period.
See, there you go, Bush can lie but obama cant. whatever. I believe there were wmd bush made a big mistake by too many raid warnings. gave them plenty of time to hide them.
well every President cannot be 100% honest - or even us regular folks.. Jim Carrey in the movie Liar Liar kind of shows how crazy it might be not to hold back one's real feelings.
My problem with WMD's is that the neo cons wrote a letter to Clinton a couple years before 2001 and 911 - in which they ask the President to do something more that the no fly zone and inspections. And they used the WMD for the first time. So they had the argument way before the invasion of Iraq. I wish they would have worried more about airline safety and maybe then the world trade center would still be here.
He should send you a thank you card,thats the most press he has had all year.
Yeah, I think your heart was in the right place but invoking the name of Jim Carrey does not lend a lot of credibility to your argument.
Good try, though.
well give me another example - Has good ole Jimmy fallen on hard times ?
Honest Abe ? Civil War - he had to have told a few lies ??
George Washington and the cherry tree example? Revolutionary war - yes he also had to have stretched the truth
Just who then ?
That is exactly my point when I say all politicians lie. We can not believe everything that they say. That does not make me a conspiracy theorist. I just happen to not believe what they are saying went down. I want to see proof of it before I believe, it does not have to be the picture of his brains hanging out but as you previously mentioned a still shot from the video taken during the raid of Osama before he was shot would be sufficient enough for me.
It is ok to not believe some things because they have to be careful about how much information is given - kind of the first rule of being in the CIA or even just regular law enforcement. It is hard to call what most of these people do as lying - it is a fine line between them.
Have a little patience - part of the Video is bound to be release in the not too distant future
I totally agree 4moreyears! In this computerized world, everybody wants everything now, and if they can't get it, well, something is wrong.
I have no doubt that once the dust settles and a little time goes by, all the briefings are done, and the White House and Pentagon have reviewed everything, that we will see much more in depth information from the folks involved. I fully expect to see a story on "60 Minutes" or some other news program that will have people involved in the mission tell their story. Maybe not the Seals themselves, to protect their identity, but perhaps the doctor that did the autospy, support crew for the Seal team, etc.
I remember a story where the troops who captured Saddam Hussein took the reporters back to the actual location and fully described what happened. I bet dollars to donuts something very similar will happen this time around too, in due time.
This is good news
Donald Trump of course will want to see the Death Certificate...long form....
Damn, you beat me to it!
Not only will Donald - but I will too - but more than the death certificate - I want to see the body. I wonder if this is another one of Obama's lies to try to stay in the White House! I would not doubt it for one minute.
They may even take a picture of a "look-a-like" to try to trick us - just like he thinks he has with that birth certificate! I don't trust anything Obama says - he is such a BIG A**liar!
LOL...you knew the wingnuts wouldn't give the President any credit. Too bad, seg...it took this President two and a half years to do what the previous one couldn't do in seven and a half. That must really chap your hide, huh?
Amazing. Obama can't win with you people. You idiots!
Don't be a dick, Segdirb. This is a win for America, period.
So who do you trust? The Donald?
Your lack of common sense in this specific case shows your lack in the general case.
Get off it and get real.
Obama's the liar. Where are the WMD Bush promised would be found? His war will cost over 3 trillion dollars and you call Obama the liar.
Bush's administration had 7 plus years to get Obama. and failed. He had a team of fools leading the parade, featuring the crew in the Pentagon, led by Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and his cabal of Jewish lawyers, who planned the Iraq war.
He doesn't deserve any credit, the soldiers got bin laden And don't forget we're still in Iraq a war we should not have been in anyhow. Obama promised to stop Iraq but we're still there
In Fact, Clinton had the chance to kill him, but he chose not to, aka. Screwed Up Big Time. The whole 9/11 could have been avoided if Clinton did his job. But as usual, the blame falls on the president in office at the time. 9/11 is Bush's fault, America loosing Respect and looking Cowardly is Baracks fault.
Mission Accomplished!
Ummm...Ralph...check your spelling.
If the one before him hadn't done what he had done, this one wouldn't have had a clue where to start.... so... no credit to Obama. Credit to the people in the field and the US military for accomplishing it.
Numnuts obama didnt do this - Our Soldiers have been putting their lives on the line to find osama for the past 10 years. It is Their accomplishment and not the presidents!!!!
Eat @!$%# Dick Cheney!!! Burn in hell OBL..
why would you give obama or any president the credit ?? ---- it is the brave men and women of our intelligence teams who deserve the credit, not some politician.
Carianne, it was his punctuation, not spelling. If you're going to be an English teacher.......
how many minutes was that? hello Rush?
Tomvet.. Actually he does deserve credit because he changed the strategy of the war to focus on fighting that war instead of prancing around in a desert looking for WMD's that don't exist. Yeah, he allocated resources where they were needed smarty pants!
But yes, it's the whole team that deserves the full credit and not just one man.. But that doesn't mean you take the one man out of the team because you want to water down what he did to make you feel better about yourself, or whatever it is you are having an issue with.
i cant believe after such great news the first thing people like you say is that this is a lie...the president would not lie about such a big thing because this war was started 10 years ago for the hunt for this guy and this is probably the biggest victory for the US since the start of this war and we should all be grateful for this news.
Death certificate lol, thats a good one.
Thank goodness I can go to my grave knowing that son of a female dog is in his. And yes, I do credit the Obama administration as well as the military because they go hand in hand. Got to give credit where credit is due. Obama haters, go cry to Trump! Actually, go cry WITH Trump!
All politicians have tendencies to lie, so if you want to distrust look at all of them with raised eyebrows. Have faith in no Man; regardless of who, they are; only faith in God; for he is the only one, who it is impossible to lie.
A nice paidback for all the victims families......
It took a new administration in the WH to steer us back on course in Afghanistan. We got sidetracked in Iraq for 7 years.
You really are an ignorant person. You also probably think that Osama Bin Ladin is the reason we are at war right now, the whole point of which i think is utterly ridiculous. George W. Bush led us into invasion of a foreign country to try and manipulate their people (who were perfectly fine unmanipulated. Most people living there led happy and normal lives before we started bombing their houses.) and for oil. He was a greedy man who wanted money, and therefor oil. Obama is not a liar, and he has been trying to untangle the problems caused by Bush since he got into office. And at least he got into office fairly the first time instead of having his brother recount and recount votes until they found some loophole in. Yes, I am glad Osama is dead, he was definitely linked with al quaida.
You are correct ronpal. bush and odumba only get credit for continuing the search for him. The men and women of the military and intelligence community deserve the glory for it.
odumba fans will leech onto anything to try and make him look good. I am sure his people will try and spin it tomorrow to make it look like odumba ran the whole operation. This will be odumba's "Mission Accomplish" moment.
We should not really be celebrating somebody's death. However, in this case we will make an exception.
Then why did Bush announce "Mission Accomplished" in a militaty outfit on an aircraft carrier when nothing had been accomplished? Our presence in Afghanistan was increased because of Obama, perhaps the soldiers responsible were there because Obama directed we increase our presence in Afghanistan. I agree the soldiers deserve the credit and I bet Obama will give it to them. I have met the enemy and he is us.
Ann...read it again...he wrote Obama when he clearly meant Osama. Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension before correcting others.
So the fact that the Obama administration is responsible for changing policy to return focus to Afghanistan and the search for OBL made no impact is that what the right wingers are saying.
Maybe if Bush/Cheney had not been so interested in getting into Iraq and had actually done what was right they would have gotten this guy years ago.
The bigots just have to face it, IT WAS OBAMA'S STRATEGY THAT GOT THE JOB DONE!
OK people, lets not turn this into a political thing, the CIA and the Military are the people that got this done. Bus started it and Obama finished; team effort, that's the only way to get things done right!
Gun control in it's finest hour!
LOL Ray 283416!
No Carianne, the comment was "Obama's the liar?" He needed a question mark not a period. Now just enjoy the moment and comment on the story. Unless you're talking about the one typo in the second paragraph? Come on everyone knew what he meant. Don't be like that, not tonight.
Obama is in Afghanistan for his energy program. He wants the lithium for the batteries for electric cars. They have a wealth of minerals there.
Bush or Obama didn't find Osama the military and CIA did.
And @ralphh
I didn't know Bush was looking for "Obama" for seven years. lol
So congrats to the people who really were there and the intelligence needed to find him.
Ann...he did it twice. I'm sorry...but, after the second time, I had to point it out because it makes it sounds like he's saying something he didn't intend. And believe me...I'm totally enjoying the moment.
No problem Carianne. I overreacted. I guess I'm just a bit horrified over the negativity.
Be grateful to our Commander in Chief, armed forces, covert ops and any other agencies (US and others) involved.
LOL look at the liberals trying to give credit to Obama for this.
"I told the CIA to make getting Osama priority one."
Really? Mr. President? Did you think it was priority 45?I love how he tried to frame it like he made this radical policy shift and it was his doing.
Bottom line, you can't give all fault to Bush for things started during his term, then give all credit to Obama for good things that come to fruition during his reign. It's all or nothing. You can thank President Bush for this. It's where the thanks belong, along with our Armed Forces and Intelligence Community.
If you are one of those who praised Bush and his Admin. for "keeping us safe" after 9/11, then it's time for you to give it up for Obama for "accomplishing the mission".
It was okay for you to praise Bush/Cheney, when it wasn't even their lives on the line or any personal effort made by them to fight terrorism.
Now you can praise Obama(yes I know our guys/gals in the field made it possible, and deserve the real credit).
Some idiot Repunants still bashing Obama on this news. Men, they may as well join the Al-Qaeda to cry for Osama Bin Laden death.
It is amazing what a strong president can accomplish.............the one before joked about finding Bin Laden while our men and women were being massacred in Iraq.
Another job well done by this administration.
Your disdain for Obama is now officially unAmerican!!!
Shame on the ignorant's who are acting UN-AMERICAN ON THIS HISTORIC NIGHT...By collapsing people's sight's on this vine.......SHAME-ON-YOU!...HATERS!!
Long live Obama! Long burn Osama!
Ding dong the witch is dead!
LOL keep spinning this story till you can convince yourself that Obama had anything to do with this.
You can thank Bush now.
Go ahead.
Justice finally served
Thank you Mr. President.
Thank you America.
Democrats are awesome.
"Gitmo started during Bush! It's his fault!"
"The war on terrorism, and finding Osama started during Bush! It's Obama's doing that we finally got him!"
"The economy collapsed during Bush! It's his fault!"
Anyone remember Sesame Street? One of these things is not like the other.....
Bush gave the initial order. Remember "Bring him in, Dead or Alive"? After that point, the ONLY ones that deserve credit are the man on the team that nailed him. The Boy King had nothing, that's ZERO, to do with this. In fact, the lizard has done nothing for this Country but bankrupt it every since he first plopped his butt down and threw his feet up on OUR desk in OUR oval office.
Did any of you people listen to the President's speech? He actually did do something to facilitate the demise of Bin Laden. All Americans can celebrate because we are the ones that are going to have to pay for the fiscal costs.
I'm a conservative and this is good news. Who cares which administration got him? In the entire scope of things, it's only a minor victory though unless it changes the course of action in Afghanistan. We are there to do what? Weaken the Taliban and Al Qaeda... with Bin Laden gone, maybe we can start pulling out and bring our brave men and women home from that desolate country.
Congratulations to the soldiers that finally closed this most wanted man's eyes for good. Great job!
Everybody pass this on > Give the Troops that Killed Osama the 25 million Reward
I am sure their families could use it. Congrats to our special forces that got the job done. This is going to sway votes over to the Dems no matter what anyone says about Obama. Chief in Charge always either gets blamed or gets the credit. Period........
And no I am not an Obama fan he still sold out to Goldman Sach's
Justice would be restoring the lives of those who died at the hands of Osama bin Laden and his blasphemous band of muharibun. Justice would be the complete undoing of the perversion of religion brought about by their diseased propaganda.
But thank God we have been relieved of this pest. And thank the tireless efforts of all of the men and women, up to and including President Obama, who worked so hard for so long to rid the world of the evil bin Laden.
I propose a toast to the team that went in and shot Bin Laden. Cheers!
Cheers
This is GRAND news-Osama dead.
Is this why Leon Panetta, head of the CIA was given a bigger promotion as Secretary of Defense?; and Petraeus was taken out of Afghanistan to become the New CIA Director?
Was it Leon Panetta or General Petraeus, the hero or heroes getting the bigger than life Al-Qaida Leader.
I will give Obama credit for finding and killing many of the Terrorist Leaders under his Administration. This is something Bush could not do---except for Saddam Hussein and his sons.
The next deadly target will be Moammar Gadhafi--he must be shaking in his boots, after all the bombings and the recent deadly bomb targets on major Terrorist Leaders..
Who will replace Osama as the new leader of Al Qaida. There will be monster fights and killings within the ranks of Terrorism.
This was a definite 5 star week for Obama. Congratulations.
The men and women of the military and intelligence community deserve all the glory for bin laden's death. No one else. They are the ones that made all the sacrifices.
Just wondering how he could be so close to Islamabad and the paki. government didn't know.
Either way a GREAT day for the U.S.
I had already gone to bed but woke up as the President was telling the world Bin Laden was dead. My first feelings as and american father of service members who serve were to rejoice. After a few moments to reflect my mood shifted to sorrow. I began to think of all those people who died so many years ago. Seeing people jumping from the towers to escape the fire. Then i thought of all the men and woman of our military who have givin thier lives in search for this one man and all the other liev lost along the way.
I don't care who takes , gives or gets credit for this. No one is a winner. We all lost. this only signals a page has been turned. A chapter closed.
Thank you Pres. Obama, you made it a priority afte Bush said he wasn't concerned about OBL. I was all for Afghanistan but against Iraq because the was just GWB avenging his daddys snub.
Outstanding work by US Special Forces and JSOC. I salute all US military personnel, especially those who gave their lives for the War On Terror. At least there was an end to the fight.
Outstanding work to the CIA. I rarely have a chance to say good things about them, but they deserve this. I thank you all for your unwavering resolve.
Its funny, we've all forgotten the mission over these long years, but its almost like the day after 9/11. I feel close to my neighbors again.
I'm happy to live in and be apart of the United States of America.
Ice Cube
I'm sure Gaddafi is probably mourning the murder of three of his grandchildren under the guise of "humanitarian aid". Shaking in his boots is probably not even in his mind right now.
Gloria in Exchelsis! Peace to men of good will!
Pakistani Intelligence has always know. Even one of their intelligence officials said on tv they could pick him up at any time.
You people never cease to amaze me. Another victory for "this administration"? what exactly has this administration done? 4 dollars for gas cause "the administration" wont let us drill into our reserves. Jumps in someone elses war? Takes the credit for killing a terrorist, Osama, (sounds very similar to Obama, maybe thats just me though) Osama is dead and the world is better off for that but all this political crap is horse crap. Obama deserves no credit for this and even though it is a joke, we all know the libs will twist this any way possible to make it sound as good as they can for big bad Bama. To bad.
Pakistan knew all along where Osama Bin Laden was hiding out.
Pakistan is to be feared. They play Foreign Countries, especially the US, like a Fiddle.
No good, even up to the higher Leaders. Dangerous playgrounds there. No loyalty to Good vs. Evil.
Agreed Hawaii2. We've had reports of Osama being in Pakistan since I was in Afghanistan 6 years ago. They played us for money, and we let them.
When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time they seem invincible — but in the end, they always fall. Think of it: always.
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi - Indian political, spiritual and ideological leader (1869–1948)
Hawaii2, I agree with you. This was definitely a 5 star week for Obama. Ray - LOL at your Donald Trump now wants a death certificate comment. I used to enjoy watching "Celebrity Apprentice" - now not so much after Donald Trump disrespectfully gave President Obama a hard time demanding to see his birth certificate. I really think Donald Trump should give up now in terms of running for President with these recent developments. Sandie, I agree with the majority of your post as well.
no matter what anyone says, neither president bush nor obama was responsible for this. this one is all the military.
Stick with your birther argument, backwoods! That's about the depth of your sick mind! You would rather see this country fail; you'd rather see the nation be destroyed; you would rather see Osama bin Landen nuke Washington, D. C. and every American than see Obama make the announcement he made tonight! You are one very sick, dude!
Thumbs up to the Navy Seals, Special Forces and President Obama... Best team in
the world... smile :-)
Trump give up because Bush's plans worked? I do not understand.
You have been blaming the wars in Afgan and Iraq on Bush, now you have good news....and it is Obama why it happened.
The stupid meter is pegging out.
Great news that he was shot dead in the head! Here goes a brave women fighting, innocent killing head of a beastly religious machine.
However, bin Laden’s case should also teach a lesson that don’t wink at Frankenstein monsters just because at a given they are on your sides.
This applies to Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
backwoods101 4 dollars for gas cause "the administration" wont let us drill into our reserve
No $4+ a gallon gas cause the top three percent are speculating and driving up the cost of oil. WE HAVE RESERVES ALREADY it is not a shortage problem.
Now back to yip yip hooray for OUR country. And I hope this brings some peace to all effected on 9/11 you and yours will never be forgotten.
Finally ........
I see that Obama has taken FULL credit for this.
Does he get to collect the $25 million dollar bounty now?
From an article that explains the situation very well and should remind people of what happened from 2001-2009.
Bush’s priorities have always been skewed. Just months after declaring he wanted bin Laden "dead or alive" Bush said, "I truly am not that concerned about him" Turning his attention away from bin Laden, Bush trained his focus on Iraq — a country he now admits had nothing to do with 9/11.
Hell no give it to the troops especially the shooter that had the kill shot.
People celebrate and rightly so, beware though. The news of 9-11 echoed through much of the Middle East and there was dancing in the streets, a blow had been struck upon the Great Satan America. Many of those people will be watching the celebrations in front of the White House and many will plot revenge. It would be wise not to loosen vigilance and in fact, heighten it.
There will be reprisals, if not here then against the US military overseas. The sad part about something like the War on Terror is that it can become a never-ending cycle. May this never happen, I am sick unto death of war and brutality, of reprisals and revenge. May this mark the beginning of the ending of such brutality.
Bin Laden is finally home...where his soul will be tortured for eternity. GO GET HIM, LUCIFER!
People need to forget the politics just for this one moment that All Americans can share, Osama is DEAD, that was the American goal and this has been achieved so be happy for the achievement .... This was a goal that had no political overtones yet when achieved the trolls steal the joy, I say down with these trolls ....
RhetoricnotFacts you gotta keep your story straight.
You're saying Bush deserves the credit for this, not Obama, because he started this but you're also saying Pakistan has been playing us for the last six years. So Bush got played and couldn't catch UBL, but he deserves positive credit?
So I say to you, "Facts", that you can't give Bush credit for all the things he started in his term that eventually end up positive if, at the same time, you're willing to blame Obama for all the bad things Bush started that went worse. If Bush gets credit for this, in your eyes, he gets the credit for the recession as well; if Bush gets nothing for the bad economy then he gets no cookie for starting a (unfunded) war in Afghanistan and then leaving the cleanup for the next guy.
I'm sure the shooter will get his credit in due time. But I'd rather that did not get out right now for his safty. Obama did put his reputation on the line when he wanted to keep the troops in the area and I'm sure he gave the go ahead on this manuver. He is the Comander and Chief and all US personal got out of this manuver safely. The President Gave the finnal order. Who else can you give credit. 10 year wait Bush?
Great. Nice to know there are Obama haters coming out of their wood work in full force collapsing threads. Nice one.
Well Obama had to do something dramatic to distract the world from his war crimes of murdering innocent individuals in Libya.
LOL Bin Laden has been dead and buried since December 2001 from kidney failure. You fools are rejoicing over a long ago dead CIA asset. Keep believing the fairytale. If they are digging up the dead Bin Laden and rattling his bones it only means something big is coming. Either the collapse of the dollar or invading Syria and WWIII. You fools will support the evil ,bloodthirsty, greedy bankers that own America. Keep believing if it helps you sleep at night. America died a long time ago because of misinformed propagandized tv babies like all of you sheep. Your sons and daughters died based on a lie. "War is a racket" General Smedley Butler. The war on terror is a lie. This is just another. Keep killing Muslims and ignore the fact your own government was involved in 911.
I thought it would be appropriate to post this editorial written by Leonard Pitts Jr of the Miami Herald - the day after 9/11.
Faux News kept saying for an hour or so that he was killed last week. Then saying why did they wait a week before telling us, starting the rumors again.
FFinally they replayed Obama and changed their story as i had to watch Fox to see how they were going to spin the story.
They sure showed a lot of pictures of GWB, but he was in bed asleep.
It's nice to have people around like Tony Romo. Without idiots like him, I would think street people and NBA players were the most pathetic people in the world. Tony, however, gives real meaning to the word loser.
Well done, Obama!
"We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail."
Thank You to President Bush, President Obama, the CIA Team, FBI, Special Operations, and all those that worked hard to bring this monster to justice. My family has been informed and they all appreciate everything these brave people have done.
We may have argued, we may not see eye to eye, but one thing is clear. We are all Americans.
Credits go to special forces and Obama!
Why are there so many comments on this news article?
The whole world is talking about it, you know.
Why are there so many collapsed comments on this article?
And to think that this happened two days after Prince William and Kate got married. This is going to show up the news for them.
anyone notice how the story begins here? Osama bin Laden, the Saudi extremist whose al-Qaida terrorist organization killed more than 3,000 people in coordinated attacks on the U.S. on Sept. 11, 2001.
Bin Laden denied being involved in 911. There has bever been any proof presented in a court of law that ties Bin Laden to 911. Bin Laden is on the FBI's most wanted list for Yemen bombing not 911.
Now some of you may say we saw him admit it on a tape. Well that tape has been proven to be a fraud. Watch it again it's on youtube. Thats not Bin Laden.
Or perhaps you'll say we have terroist who admitted to working for Bin Laden on 911. Well those confessions were brought about by torture and not one of those confessions were ever brought before a court in the USA only in censored militray tribunals. Hmmm I wonder why we can't convict anyone associated with 911 in A US court.
So how does a news agency like MSNBC make staements about someones guilt when that someone has never even been charged with the deaths on 911. Thats like someone saying elements within the US gov't did 911 with the help of Mossad. It's just a theory with just a little more evidence than saying Bin Laden did 911.
Sounds like propaganda to me. So have a party that Bin Laden the CIA asset is dead. It's been a long time coming. Since he's been dead since December 2001. Google it fools.
Obama's speech was fabulous. He gave me all the details I wanted to know.
Osama Bin Laden is dead. I love repeating that. Isn't it great? Osama Bin Laden is dead.
I was so glad the President reminded everyone of the human loss from that day and how flight 93 passengers saved us.
Obama authorized this action and the Special Forces carried it out. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU ARE OUR HEROS.
And President Obama closed his wonderful speech with part of our Pledge of Allegiance - ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND MAY GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
WOW - the anti-American GOP thought police are out tonight! Trying to destroy a victory for America!, I see
Really, if you come on this board to collapse posts on day like this --- WHAT THE HELL KIND OF AMERICAN ARE YOU!
Congratulations America.
Congratulations victims of 9/11
Congratulations Obama!
Karen in Los Angeles -
This has to be killin you but I think we'd hope you'd be a bigger person.
This says it all
Actually Ji(G)
ABC was saying the same things up until obama made his speech. NBC was reporting that it happened in NW pakistan near the afghan border and that it was a drone attack. ABC said that they didn't want to release the information till his DNA was matched with his sister who had died in Boston. That the FBI had a subpoena to claim her brain to make the match. It wasn't just FOX reporting things not checked out.
We should all know by now that the press usually wants the scoop everyone and doesn't wait till the facts are actually released.
It really isn't as important how it happened, but that bin laden is dead.
Karen in LA
Thanks for that. I read it when it came out and it really is apropo tonight. That day, no one was a democrat or a republican or mad because you were a black person or a white person or whatever, just American. The act that truly, truly brought us together for a moment was unspeakable as stated in the article. I must say that I had never felt that togetherness before nor have I since. I will try to remember that feeling when the rancor gets excessive as it surely will.
Following my comment at #2.99: I watched the Presidents live speech earlier. I managed to go over to the BBC press release board almost immediately after his announcement. It's was funny; the British press was releasing more information on the story and quicker than the US press. ( I was just busy and could not comment until now.)
Faux News is anti-American fabrication.
Was this guy trying to be the next great magician - hiding a mountainous region?
FactsnotRhetoric:
I have been following the country Pakistan since 9/11. They are a brutal country---the Taliban hangs out there as well, (a haven for all Terrorist groups, including Iran) committing many Terrorist Acts.
The Past Leaders of Pakistan have been very much threatened with their lives from the Taliban?/Al Qaida that they will be assassinated. Many have stepped down because of this fear, and Ms. Bhutto was assassinated. Many have played both sides to save their lives.
Pakistan wants everything. They don't want to cooperate with definite action, thus hiding Osama Bin Laden there for many years. The US knew well Osama was living there---no help from the the Pakistani's, but their hands were always out for our money and Aid..
Credit to the group who was absolutely expert on targeting this mansion with high fences, barbed wire, in a suburban neighborhood with no Internet service--very suspicious. This Elite Group (Navy Seals?) have been patiently waiting since August for the "kill". Obama carefully monitored the correct time of this attack.
This will go down as a major coup of great proportions in the last 100 years here in the US. It is like killing a Hitler, Stalin, or a Mussollini.
It is time to celebrate, but after the euphoria, it will be a time of great caution for fear of more Terrorism against the US, especially Osama's inner cells living here in the US, and abroad.
It is not over yet.
Lies - I really have ZERO CLUE and I DON'T WANT TO KNOW where you are coming from. You must be pretty depressed about Osama bin Laden being dead if you have issues with what I said.
I am an ecstatic American. Now I'm on the board to let you know according to news reports I am hearing, this operation began during Bush's tenure. It started 4 years ago.
BUSH'S TEAM (NOT BUSH) was smart. Obama was smart to find out what Bush was up to before Bush left office. Obama was smart to AUTHORIZE THE SPECIAL FORCES TO FINALIZE THIS ACTION AFTER 4 YEARS.
The Special Forces CARRIED IT OUT SPENDIDLY. THEY HAVE THE DAMN BODY BECAUSE THEY KNEW WE WOULD WANT PROOF.
They all worked on this and they all deserve credit and thanks from Americans.
Thank you EVERYONE.
I am so happy. Some troops can come home and Osama Bin Laden IS DEAD.
Too bad that had the war in Afghanistan been about capturing or killing bin Laden, our troops could come home tomorrow. But it appears that our objectives have changed.
Thank you to all the men and women who put themselves in danger to protect the people of this country. Men and women who are Democrat and Republican and niether, working together as one to give us the freedom that many of us take for granted. Especially our soldiers and the intelligence people who never took their eye off the prize. Please say a prayer for the people who didn't make it to see this day and for the ones they left behind, may their sacrifice never be forgotten.
We need to balance a budget and I'm not the only one who wants some troops home. It'll happen. The main target IS DEAD.
Good idea.
Mission accomplished! We finally did what we went there to do. Now we can bring out troops home. There is no longer any reason to stay in Afghanistan. We will never be able to destroy the Al Qaida network because it has spread throughout the middle east. Bring the troops home now not next year or six months from now but now.
Alder315,
Great and most appropriate quote. Mahatma Gandhi's words you have put forward here reminded me of the demise of another murderer of the same calibre, namely Velupillai Prabhakaran, who terrorised a small island nation in SE Asia for a quarter century, and who was killed nearly two years ago bringing peace finally to that nation.
This victorious day for the USA is celebrated by all who seek world peace across nations. All those who involved in achiving this mission, from the military personals who bravely carried out the operation, the intelligent sector personals who painstakingly gathered necessary info that led to the final action and yes, up to their CURRENT commander in chief, yes they ALL deserve the praise of the world citizens. Well done Team USA!
Well I guess we can call off the war on terror now.
Yeah, right.
It was always an excuse to invade other countries and destroy civil liberties at home anyway so I'm sure it won't make any difference.
Bin Laden is dead and Just like after the Soviet Union collapsed nothing will change. We are spending as much now as during the cold war and at the time all of our leaders said that was the only reason we had to have such a huge military and invade Viet Nam, Korea, Dominican Republic, etc. etc. etc.
What a bunch of fools those celebrating are.
Yeah, now all our problems are over because one guy living in a fortified compound half a world away with no power over anything that effects us now is dead.
Wall Street and what President Eisenhower called the "military industrial complex" are much bigger threats to american's life, liberty and standard of living than Bin Laden was and they are still in charge and growing stronger.
Go out and celebrate but your house is still going to be in foreclosure and your job is still going to be sent overseas.
That is certainly the case for some but we're celebrating the death of bin Laden anyway. Why don't you go to bed?
You are right RonPal
Obama is just the figure head in charge. He nor any other president would have personally tracked down Bin Laden. The intelligence and actions of those on the ground resulted in this.
Rhazes @ #2.70 Don't you remember? "
All the Federales say, they could've had him any day
They only let him slip away, out of kindness I suppose
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Not to sound overly cruel, but did anyone else find it odd that the military is taking special care to handle his body in correct Muslim tradition? First off, I don't really think he deserves it, and second, what is the point after you just murdered the man?
Also, I am not a Prez. Obama fan, but it did not seem to me like he was overly taking credit for it; he seemed to spread the good will around, and that is how it should be. To be honest, he probably had nothing to do with it, as would any other President. It is special op's after all that does all the leg work and just reports to the President.
People think they are celebrating because Osama is dead, but they're really celebrating to be at this page in history. If you don't believe in celebrating in the death of others, but still feel good for some reason, it's because you realize history has moved forward. If you deny this feeling (if you have it), you'll only distort your self perception and your moral compass.
You may shake your head at the people celebrating today, but you can't call them a bloodthirsty throng. They, and we, are dealing with issues that have lain dormant and festering in us for quite a while now.
I feel different after hearing this news. This is a peculiar feeling, and as some cynics here have stated, it is not particularly logical. However, I cannot deny it. I can only explore why I feel this way, and what it says about me.
Please do not continue to form your assessment of this issue with just a glance at the headlines and front page pictures. This is a unique thing that happened that people will be talking about for a long time. Do yourself a favor and think about it for a while before you brush it off.
The fifth comment! You can't make this stuff up. And the usual accusation of lying without a single fact to back it up.
Trying to discredit GWB and credit BO is really futile. The decision to go after Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and strike terrorism where-ever it rests, was 100% GWB'sand nobody elses. In 1990 when GB Sr. went into Kuwait, his approval rating reached 90%. He couldn't be beat. In 1992, Bill Clinton did it on the economy. Also BO made it pretty clear in his speech that Al Qaeda still exists and the battle still goes on. Now, one must question what our purpose is in being in Afghanistan at all? If we don't get out 100%; then, Bin Laden was only an excuse for going in there. Same with Qaddafi. Is it his putting down a revolt or are we really after him?
Actually, Ray, it's GREAT news that Bin Ladin's FINALLY been brought to justice!
I don't know why some people can't give the Democrat vs Republican crap a rest for one day. Today is a great day for the World. Today there is no Party line.
Oh please. The forces under Bush's command had Osama within their grasp and let him slip away. The Bush distracted himself with a futile and pointless war in Iraq. Yes, the men and women in the field merit the lion's share of the credit. But they are under civilian command, and the civilians came through. I doubt that many of the people rushing to minimize Obama's contribution to Osama's end blamed the men and women in the field for his being at large for ten years.
Citizen, I believe Clinton was the one who was accused of missing intel before 9/11? How far back do you want to go? Also, Iraq invaded Kuwait and there are those who feel if we had went to Bahgdad in 1990, it would have been finished then.
kaff,
That is good advice.
I rejoice in the incredible and patient work by our armed forces. I stand, as usual, in awe of their determination even under the most critical gaze.
I also smile. I smile at those who today seem so willing to take their bows for a matter they have constantly whined about. Questioned and reproached. I group who has at every turn been detractors and spinners of negativity against those who truly set the death of Bin Laden in motion.
I find it very typical of the Liberal Elite. So willing to lay praise upon themselves and the President who himself quarreled every move up through the years that led to this day. Truth is Obama deserves his small measure of credit for this event. But no more then Bush. But MUCH less then every man and woman who has died or fallen wounded in the fields of Iraq and Afghanistan. Because in the end... the war against either was one and the same. Only those of which I speach would not redily admit the same. No matter how many crafty movies Liberal Hollywood can write and film to prove otherwise.
Thos who detract and attempt to wrestle credit from those who TRULY should be given credit only assure that those who understand them the best and most completely, will always know they are the weak and sneaky, calculating mob that seeks to undermine and detract. The comments concerning Obama being the credited of this action only go to solidify that.
Today is a day to celebrate the death of a tyrant and a murderer. not give credit to one man who makes jokes while his military dies and his people suffer lack of jobs and extreme gasoline and food prices brought on by his drunken sailor spending and the inflation we now suffer from its effects.
Hurray!!! For the Guys in Gals in Uniform. Well done Obama, now sit down and write about 1,000,000 letters to thank all of those people who have graciously given you this momentary "Bump" in your spiraling polls. They worked and died for it... You may as well thank them. But spare us your typical arrogant gaze, many have died that you may dance on the grave of your Nations enemy. An enemy that I am not so certain was your own without it giving you the ability to hold the office you now briefly hold.
Let me remind you, Mr. Obama. The first President Bush won the Persian Gulf war and brought his troops home as hero's... Less then 2 years later he was moving out of the White House. People understand where truth comes from and who really should get credit for victories... People who steal or who are wrongfully given the thunder of others by their pundits rarely last.
While all the NUT HEADS would go wild throwing dirt Pakistan 'the only real American ally in the war against terror', once again; I would request you all to watch this Official Video (of your President's Speech) very carefully http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42852983#42852983?from=en-us_msnhp>1=43001,
where Barak Hussain Obama clearly says ".... but its important to know that our conter-terrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to Bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding. Indeed Bin Laden had declared war against Pakistan as well and ordered attacks against the Pakistani people. Tonight i call President Zardari and my team has also spoken with their Pakistani counterparts. They agree that this is a good and historic day for both our nations....."
"Our War is not against Islam. Bin Laden was not a Muslim Leader. He was a Mass Murderer who murdered scores of Muslims......"
I guess the idea is that we don't want to enrage the Muslim world--but the people who will want revenge for his death aren't really going to be pacified just because we respect the corpse.
Yes Nabeel Khalid,
I think it is also important to note that the Pakistani leader is placing himself in danger by being seen as an ally of this nation. I have questions about the true intentions of the Pakistani leadership, just like many Americans, but I can't overlook this fact.
THIS STINKS!!! ''US says it has custody of al-Qaida leader's body''
CNN reporting Bin Laden shot in face and body BURIED AT SEA?? What the hell? Something smellls rotten!!
So Pakis have been shielding bin Laden.
Blow up the heads of some top Paki intelligence, military and politicians too for sheltering him and top leaders like Mullah Omar and others!
Ten @!$%#en years later.Why was the body desposed of at sea?why no pics,
why no DNA tests?
This is the us govt telling you this,they have No credibility.
Where is the proof?
So What,there are millions more to take his place.NOTHING HAS CHANGED!
AT LAST!! Thank you, Whomever!!!
I have this odd feeling this is the lead up to something much bigger, like for instance, boots on the ground in Libya, the invasion of Syria, or the collapse of the dollar. I normally wouldn't buy into the conspiracy nonsense, as anyone who has read my posts can tell when I get ahold of a birther or a fals flag truther......but this is all just too.....convenient.
OomYakub: No one cares for Muslims getting enraged and so on.
Do most Muslims, especially Pakis, need reasons to get enraged, take hate marches, do lootings, rapings and killings?
So don't try to act like a saint after rampaging the world like beasts and barbarians.
I find it interesting that now we hear that OBL has been buried at sea. So let the conspiracy theories begin. Did we really kill him? Is a picture good enough? Are we to trust Obama about Osama? I can guarantee that this is what other countries will ask.
AmericanHistorian
President Obama finalized the final operation, so he was involved and aware of the operation. As would any American President at this point been engaged I should think. He had 5 National Security Briefings in recent weeks as the operations planning was set in place.
I for one am glad that the military is following Muslim Customs in handling the body of Osama Bin Laden. There is no point in inflaming more religion based resentment than already exists. We do not need to proverbially drag the corps around the city three times. To do so would only hand a PR victory to radial Islam to off set this defeat for them. It would be foolish to give them any opportunity to play into their "The West has declared War on Islam" propaganda.
It was an Obama Birth Certificate . . . Now it's an Osama Death Cerificate . . . What's next in line?
Awesome news! And now the afterbirthers will have something new to froth at the mouth about. And I see they haven't wasted any time, judging by the number of collapsed posts already.
Its about time, now are the teanuts going to put down Obama for this ????????????
To all those people that are COLLAPSING POSTS.... I would say that 95% of those posts did not contain anything offensive or against Newsvine policies. They were only collapsed because their views (political or otherwise) were contrary to your own.
And yet you wave your American flags, quote the constitution, sing the praises of FREE SPEECH, but you take it upon yourselves to censor contrary opinions.
It shows that you have no idea what it means to be an American. It means you have no idea what it means to be a true Christian. (I'm not Christian, but I'm making the point)
And the name of the game is Hypocrisy!
You think it's just a game? Liberals vs. Conservatives. Yankees fans vs. Mets fans. My team is better than yours, my president is better than yours, so screw you. Childish, self-absorbed, close minded, hate filled minds.
Osama was killed tonight because he was all of those things, he was a terrorist that hated America and what it stood for. Freedom. Freedom of speech. Our soldiers risked their lives to destroy this man and his values, and here you are acting in a very similar way. Ironic to say the least.
What kind of American are you? What kind of America do you want to live in?
THINK ABOUT IT! PLEASE!!!!!!
Major kudos to the US military, the CIA, and Obama for ridding us and the rest of the world of this evil man and his terrible influence. They deserve equal credit in allowing us to perhaps close this particularly ugly chapter in history, and it is wrong to deny any of them that.
I was not aware Bin Laden had been burried at sea already. Now I don't know how they got DNA results so quickly. It is my understanding it takes many days or even weeks to get those results. Someone correct me if I am wrong. i am not saying that Bin Laden isn't dead but to have DNA proof such a short time after the death is pushing the envelope of technology pretty hard.
Buried at sea !!! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS !!!!!!!!! Now we will NEVER NEVER NEVER know if he is truly dead or if President Obama just gave him a backdoor pardon and set him free. Free to kill again. And again. And again. He will---FOREVER---be a martyr, a rallying point for our enemies. and we will FOREVER be unable to defend ourselves. Not only could we have, but we should have, buried him on our own soil. That way no one could ever have charged that he is not dead, and our President not only engaged in the cover-up, but he authored it. PRESIDENT OBAMA SHOULD BE IMPEACHED FOR PLACING OUR LAND UNDER GREAT DANGER. After the impeachment and separate from it HE SHOULD BE TRIED FOR TREASON. PERIOD! PERIOD! PERIOD!
I'd love to talk to the guy(s) that pulled the trigger(s) on the weapon(s) that actually killed OBL. They should never have to buy another drink for the rest of their lives, to say the very least.
That must have been a rush (and a half), even for SEALs. What a story to be able to tell your grandkids someday. Heros all, in my book.
I'm ex-Navy, but my only real contact with SEALs was social, in clubs and such. It's hard to explain, but they are the sanest crazy people (or craziest sane people?) you could ever expect to meet. I totally respect those guys and what they do, and they certainly have my undying gratitude now...that's for sure.
Congrats to the USN SEALs and CIA operatives involved in this victory. Congrats also to the families and survivors affected by 9/11. And specials congrats to FDNY and NYPD. It was a long time coming, but justice was finally served.
Wow, most demented post I've seen all day.
Even if, as our President has informed us, he was captured and killed, even if that is the absolute truth, we will never know, nor will we ever know. As for the DNA test, Obsama could have easily donated those cells alive, just before---with Obama's apparent permission---he slipped out the door and into the night. IF NOTHING ELSE, this shows an appalling lack of common sense on the part of President Obama.
@LEEE1102
Thank you LEEE, you made a point that I agree with. Funny, if it isn't political correct, we all go run and hide from it.
Now... about that 'burying at sea' stuff. I suggest you guys go back down and get it. If he really was buried at sea, that was a fundamentally dumb thing to do, especially doing it so soon.
We have bodied that sit at the morgue for days while they run autopsies, yet they decided to bury Obama 'at sea' within hours. hmmmmmm....
Congress should use its constitutional authority to override Obama and launch a massive deep sea search for the body, just as was done to retrieve the body of John F. Kennedy, Jr. WHETHER OR NOT the body is found, President Obama should be impeached and tried for treason.
(Tears) thank you President Obama, also for WMD in Iraq, Saddam Hussein had plenty of time to hide them before invasion and Iraqis have a history of buring things quite deep and hard to find. If they bury a MiG-25 Foxbat completely sand, then can bury WMDs much faster. But anyways back on topic. Its a good thing the news were told about us looknig for him, then these iditos would have announced it and he would end getting away again because of one moron. But I am glad he is a goner. I will visit the World Trade Center after I get out of Iraq and see whats there now. I used to go through the train station there a lot when I was a kid. Good times.
Matilda. Come on now. I don't like Obama most of the time either, but you are acting erratic. This should be a day of happiness for this country.
It doesn't mean we follow the President like Lemmings like the left do. Lets just say it is a Great Day for America.
The left should stop making political jabs such as the Iraq War because they seriously have no real conception of the intelligence agencies and the work that has been done throughout the years to build leads, cases, and operations.
Not too mention. I thought the left doesn't like assassinations or special forces? I thought the left doesn't like treading on the sovereignty of other countries?
Sorry! Osama, not Obsama.
This is wonderful news for all Americans and especially for those who were directly victimized by the attacks on 9/11. This is good news for all nations who've suffered from terrorists attacks for decade upon decade. There's one less head on the proverbial snake today and that's a good thing.
It is sad and sickening to see the level of vitriol and disdain being spread on this Newsvine. No matter your political ideology and/or party affiliation, and because this isn't ABOUT you, you and the collective "we", should be gracious and grateful for the work of the intelligence community and our armed forces in finally taking out this kingpin or terror.
Oh course acts of terror will continue. Of course there will be those who will want to seek retribution for the assassination of Osama bin Laden. Of course the U.S. will will have to remain vigilant and cautious. No matter who the POTUS might be going forward, this POTUS, as Commander In Chief, gets to take credit for the kill. That's the way it goes, whether you like him or despise him. He graciously and appropriately acknowledged the efforts of President Bush under his two consecutive administrations to fight the war on terror. President Bush responded appropriately and in good taste. That's good, right?
It is unfortunate that the American people do not operate on a similar platform and, rather, prefer to backbite and curse one another on what should be a day of a collective sigh of sweet relief.
I pity the soiled souls that are walking around out there with such bitterness, hatred, bigotry and narrow mindedness these days. There's a cure for that, but it would require you to let go of your hatred for one another. I will hope, but I won't hold my breath.
Congratulations and many thanks to those on the ground who carried out this mission. May God bless you and keep you until you return safely home.
I regret I have but one vote thumbs up to give to LEEE1102 !!! Live long and prosper !!!
Avenger- the DNA results are still pending, it says that in the article.
To the dopey conspiracy theorists that think that proof that it was OBL was lost at sea, that takes the cake. It doesn't matter what evidence is shown and how clearly- you'll still prattle on and bore the rest of us with your nonsense. The only proof that I agree would have been better is if Osama was taken captive, but I never thought that he would be taken alive.
To follow up on my comment #2- 150. I just searched for the answer to my question. I found a forensic scientist article that lays out the minimum time line to determine DNA. According to him it would take a minimum of 54 hours and 15 minutes to reach a conclusion of DNA evidence in a best case scenario If this is true and the invasion took place early Sunday then there is no way to have DNA proof a few hours later. Especially since it took place in the middle of no where.
I certainly hope proper verification was done. I hope the only reason this looks suspicious is because we have gotten the wrong time line. I hope this isn't a mistake in identity
Avenger-2464988-3198341 - Here is the direct quote from the article saying specifically that the results of DNA testing have not come back yet, lest you feed fire to the conspiracy theorists (which may be your intention):
No I was not trying to feed any fires. I was curious because the time line was too short it appeared and as you point out I had not read the article correctly. I have a contact in the military and just received a message back that they have foresic people in the filed and CAN get preliminary verification in just a couple of hours. They will do a full profile to verify the preliminary findings.
We have all looked forward to this day for so long. I surely didn't want to hear down the road the "we goofed" . As i said earlier I don't care who takes or gets credit for this. It was a joint effort. the main thing it is done and we know for sure.
I remember the feelings that went thru me on 9/11 like it was yesterday...We've sent a clear message to the terrorist community and even to those who are compilicit: "Don't Tread On Me"
I've never been prouder to be an American...God Bless the USA...
Excellent Shooting, Left Eye Kill Shot!!!!!!
The Seals were aiming for right between the eyes. I guess the sight of the Navy Seals and The CIA, made Bin Laden's eye's bulge out his head, like a cartoon. So they blew his left eye right out the back of his head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great day for America, Justice for the innocent lost souls of 9-11
Glad he is gone. Unluckiest man -Bin laden. Luckiest-Seal who shot him. What a great day for the US and its allies who are not afraid to go after terrorists. What a shame for all the morons who think this guy was a hero.
I do not care if it pisses off any Arab. If you believe in his ideals you deserve the same. As someone who gave 3 years of his life in Afghanistan, I am happy for our military winning this psychological game. It is such a moral booster.
It is a better day without him breathing. Thank you Navy Seals and CIA. Thank you to all my fellow soldiers and families. Thank you for your sacrifices.
Good, the figurehead of Jihad is dead. Hopefully with his passing fewer young people will see him as hero and join Al Qaeda. The only question I have is where did all the kids come from celebrating outside the White House? That neighborhood is one of the worst places in DC. It's not like they would have poured out of their homes there and started celebrating.
I completely agree with this comment EXCEPT Obama DID ORDER THE HIT. As you probably know he is Special Forces' BOSS. They can not kill anyone without his authorization.
AND LEEEEEEEEE IS THE BEST! Don't be a hypocrite. Be an American. STOP COLLAPSING POSTS. Leeeeeee reminds us that differing viewpoints are the USA.
I have no doubt that they killed Osama Bin Laden. And they probably took whatever they needed from his body before throwing it overboard. I love the fact that sharks probably ate it. I hope they did not get indigestion.
Sven - Washington DC has one of the best public transportation systems. There are many colleges/universities there and it's close to finals. The kids were probably studying and heard the news on social websites.
I'll bet we never find out whose bullet actually killed him but I don't care.
I feel a little weird being *happy* someone has been killed... but I think I'll make an exception in this case. I'm just glad to see this man gone, gone from being able to be cause havoc and evil, gone from being able to kill and and inflict misery and suffering. If I believed in hell, I'd hope he rot in it.
I'm thankful for the intense and hard work of our military men and women, and our CIA who made this possible. I've been extraordinarily frustrated with President Obama recently due to his "progressive" handling of the economy & fiscal issues, but I would not deny this is a good moment for his Administration, and I'm glad for the work that anyone involved with his Adminsitration did to make this happen as well. I wouldn't have cared who helped accomplish this, I'm just glad it is done.
As per our Great Seal, we'll extend the olive branch and prefer it, but the arrows are at the ready for those who would do us harm.
I do have to wonder at Pakistan... there's some glaring questions there as to their involvement in Bin Laden's hiding. I know we've still got ourselves in a mess between Afghanistan, Libya, and our economy...
But for now, I'm just going to be relieved this is done.
I would bet good money that his butt is in a cold storage facility in Virginia.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize we were talking about the growth of the national debt.
I'm not going to down Obama for this, but praising him for it is just as ridiculous. Perhaps you all missed the part of the article that said:
...and...
So you're praising Obama like some kind of superhero because the Pakistani government finally felt threatened enough by Al Queda to tell us where Bin Laden was? And even though he was "100 yards from a Pakistani military academy" it took us 8 whole months to pull the not-so-metaphorical trigger on the action???
I congratulate our military and intelligence units for their hard work and a job well done. However, praise Obama? He just approved an order that any rational person would in the same circumstance. The rainbows and unicorns crew is unbelievable.
What's really funny is a friend and I went to this new gun range on Saturday evening. I haven't gone shooting in over a year. We bought one target of Bin Laden. It was the last one we shot at. My buddy put one right between his eyes at 30 feet and I followed up with one directly through his left eye. Kind of a strange coincidence.
Sven - your buddy subconsciously knew! That IS totally wild.
obama gave the final order? No, he gave the authorization to carry out the attack. I hope he doesn't break his arm patting himself on the back.
What a surprise - Obama supporters are giving HIM credit for killing Bin Laden.
If anything, it's a miracle they got him at all with Obama's restrictive rules of engagement. It's a wonder he even allowed the CIA operatives to carry guns.
What is wrong with you? This is the same thing. You are NOT a linguist. Get over yourself.
I came back on this seed to let everyone know that Obama called Bush Jr. to tell him before telling us. That should tell you something. In case you can not figure it out, Bush started this and Obama finished it.
And Special Forces carried it out as ordered or authorized by Obama.
Osama's not dead. He never existed. Think about it: Would you really just dump the body of the biggest terrorist mastermind casually into the ocean?
When was the last time the US Military dumped the body of ANY enemy into the ocean -- let alone Osama?!
Dumping the bodies of the enemy into the ocean is a dishonorable. No self-respecting military would do that.
Please move to Pakistan. You are not wanted in this country.
Osama Barked....And USA Bit Back....One less POS off this Earth...
NEXT...
Whatever Karen. You're not wanted here, either. You move to Pakistan. No, infact, move to Russia to leave with the REDS! Evil communists.
Al S.-544450, NATIVE NEW YORKER-3401306, Testing-3401825, isabellaaaax, Casylius, tea-bag-not, Tony Romo, you're each suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
So is Peter King, Republican, Dick Cheney, ex VP, and a host of other republicans, as well as PM of UK Cameron and other world leaders. Get used to it......Obama is going to get some credit.
I know it kills you guys on the far right, I can hear it in the tone of your posts. You sure like to give Bush credit for getting Saddam, so you ought not be a hippocrite.
Its a good day for the Intelligence Community, the US Military and yes, also PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA
Thank You!
Tim, Seattle...you've confused giving congratulations with with giving credit. I congratulate Obama. I don't, however, praise him or give him credit. For doing what? Al Queda threatening the Pakistani government so much that they finally told us where he was? Bin Laden was 100 yards from a Pakistani military academy in a city full of Pakistani troops.
Not to down Obama, but meanwhile we had been constantly strafing Pakistan's border with drone attacks when Bin Laden was over a hundred of miles away. I say that to make the point that nothing Obama himself did contributed to Bin Laden falling into our laps.
Congratulations, yes...credit, no.
I'm just glad Six got to deep six his sorry @$$. That he had to look an American in the eyes when they put one is head and it wasn't some random drone dropping a bomb that got him. Hoo yah!
Yup, nothing like destroying evidence to make the populace happy.
God Bless America!
Osama bin Laden, long may he burn.
10 years to PROGRESSIVELY figure out the difference between a "Calamatist " and a "Terrorist "
BILLY BJ CLINTONS
WAR IS OVER !
May the Sharks at Sea have a good meal; Osama Bin Laden!
War is over? Really? Is that why we are still fighting for oil?
I'm sorry, this was a great day for America, but are some of you really overlooking the fact that we dumped his body in the ocean? That doesn't set off people's "something ain't right" alarms? I mean, I think the birthers are nuts, and the fals flaggers are worse then that,even, but to destroy evidence in a manner where it can never be reporduced? The government routinely lies to us. They know we know this. And this is how they choose to handle this? Something isn't right about all of this.....there is one thing that is right, and it's the devil's pitchfork up Osama's ass.......bit still....something isn't right....
Facts: Not at all. Think of this. Islamic rites indicates that the body has to be laid to rest on the ground (not water) on a specific manner (sideways) looking towards Mecca. By dumping his body in the water they ensured four things:
A- He won't get his 'proper' entrance to heaven (kiss the 72 virgins good-bye).
B- He won't be able to 'raise from the dead' on judgment day.
C- Where they're going to put the tombstone for those other fanatics to go and pray? (this is the best one for me, they can go to the middle of the ocean and jump on the water...)
D- If I don't have the body, I won't have those wackos trying to 'recover' him.
You know that the government will never tell us the whole truth, there are too many interests involved, especially in intelligence with people and agents in place, which if mentioned, they would be killed.
Karen in Los Angeles -
I misread "one" of your comments. My error. With so many descenting posts, it's somewhat underwhelming. I don't know about the rest of what you have stated...
I never thought I'd live to see the day that Karen would praise Obama.
Wow...well done Mr. President, now let's bring em home.
The story is getting more and more convoluted. They say people, when they lie, get overly specific in details. The news is changing the story every few minutes. Something isn't right here......
I'm all for being happy for Obama and Bush, and the rest of them.......but this is just setting off my BS meter like CRAZY!
Thank you for the apology. I also hoped you learned the lesson about ASSUMPTIONS.
You should never assume that you know what a person is going to say. That helps a person to listen better.
We need a LOT more of that to happen in Washington. We can't keep putting people in either Republican or Democratic buckets because 2 SIZES DO NOT FIT ALL.
Most of us are somewhere in the middle but polarization by extremes keeps us at the opposite ends of the spectrum.
It is one of my missions in life to get people to listen and see the other side and maybe we can meet somewhere in the middle.
I support dumping his body in the ocean.
1. Sharks need to eat too.
2. I don't want his followers laying vigil over his grave.
According to CBS News, the body was dumped in the water because they did not want it exhumed.
Karen in Los Angeles -
Kindly do not make judgement based on a single error. Do not "assume" you are in such a position relative to me...
As I stated, I made an error and I take responsibility for that. Nothing more.
Well I guess we can call off the war on terror now.
Yeah, right.
It was always an excuse to invade other countries and destroy civil liberties at home anyway so I'm sure it won't make any difference.
Bin Laden is dead and Just like after the Soviet Union collapsed nothing will change. We are spending as much now as during the cold war and at the time all of our leaders said that was the only reason we had to have such a huge military and invade Viet Nam, Korea, Dominican Republic, etc. etc. etc.
What a bunch of fools those celebrating are.
Yeah, now all our problems are over because one guy living in a fortified compound half a world away with no power over anything that effects us now is dead.
Wall Street and what President Eisenhower called the "military industrial complex" are much bigger threats to american's life, liberty and standard of living than Bin Laden was and they are still in charge and growing stronger.
Go out and celebrate but your house is still going to be in foreclosure and your job is still going to be sent overseas.
Dude
I am not assuming anything. Your post gave you away.
I also posted my point of view on how terrible assumptions are. Not to mention, people don't change their stripes over night.
You did not have to read my post but you did.
I have made an impact on you and for that I am happy.
I wouldn't cheer to loudly because Obama got Osama.
This could give Obama a lot of what G. Bush called "political capitol" and he will probably use it in collaboration with the right wing of the Democratic Party and the Republicans to cut or even destroy Social Security and Medicare or just severely cut federal spending on programs that help the average working american.
He's planning on cutting trillions from the budget in the coming years.
Despite all of the nut ball accusations from the looney Right that the president is a "socialist" he a pretty right wing guy himself.
His plan to cut the deficit would be considered extreme and socially brutal and unfair if he didn't have the even more extreme and brutal Republican Party to play off of.
This could give him the political cover to do it or at least try to.
Another right-wing Democrat very much like Obama, Bill Clinton, wanted to privatize Social Security and had someone working on a plan but Bill had a loose trouser fly problem and the fall out from the Monica Lewinsky affair derailed his attempt to do it.
Unfortunately in this case, I think Obama is a much more disciplined guy.
Karen in L.A. #2.180 - I suggest you get out of the City of Angels for a few breaths of fresh air. There is a very big difference between authorizing ("you may") and ordering ("you must"). I never professed to be a linguist. But I do understand the difference between permitting and demanding.
If you didn't spend so much time trolling you would have time to digest subtle nuances and glaring discrepancies.
First of all the president didn't do it. The SEALs did it. Secondly, they can't bring him home - they already pitched him in the sea.
For those that think they actually pitched him into the ocean - wake up and smell the BS. What the government say and does are often very different.
the thinker...The President authorized this particular action over other choices...so I say well done. When I said bring em home...I meant the troops...
I agree about the BS our government tries to feed us, however in this case I'm fine with it.
I think Bin Laden got complacent. He had enough money to put in a "panic room" or some kind of escape tunnels to respond to the inevitable. Certainly that chopper going down in his compound must have alerted him.
It all worked...we were good, and we were lucky...
Dude - I don't have time to troll and your comment that Osama was not tossed at sea is OFF THE WALL.
You're calling me a troll? [clears throat] I don't have time for your silly comments.
I came online to let my detractors know that
OBAMA PICKED CBS - 60 MINUTES - TO TALK ABOUT THIS EVENT.
Why? CBS has the best news teams.
You all should try paying attention to real news. You might have some facts to back up some claims then.
Then why is CBS last in evening news ratings? I guess that puts a whole new meaning to "saving the best for last".
It's probably the last in ratings because there are more facts and less shock and schlock. Read the posts here, all regurgitated editorials from extremists talking heads.
He was not murdered,he was punished.
Almost ten years to the date.
DNA says it is that bastard so I am drinking drinks for the ONES WHO DID NOT LIVE TO HEAR THIS ........HOO RAH AND RANGERS LEAD THE WAY. The bastard is DEAD. GOD BLESS AMERICA
"HOO RAH AND RANGERS LEAD THE WAY" is right! God Bless our troops and @#$!@##@ Osama Bin Laden!
@ Slumlord
Your God bless's killing? What a sick religion!
It's a volcano cult with a fire GOD that committed it's own supposed genocide.. Of course GOD will bless killing... It's Yahweh, the devouring fire. ;) And its funny that Christians and Muslims fight over the same fire GOD for attention ;)
I'd be drinking to this too, if it weren't for the fact that I'm on duty :-( Tomorrow, perhaps. What a HUGE victory for all those who've been fighting, and let that teach any terrorist: You may think you'll get away with your disgusting murdering, but it's only a matter of time before you're caught. We will ALWAYS prevail! We got him, as you terrorists knew we would. Who's next!?
Come on all you buttholes.....This is a good paidback for all the victims's families. So just shut all your pieholes and go to bed.
Yeah and you can thank the religions for this mess too. Those are the pieholes that tend to fuel the flames of war.
The wheels of Justice grind slowly, but the grind exceedingly fine.
I don't give a fuk who....BIN LADEN IS DEAD,.hello?
to the date? does your calender have 12 pages?
Thank you Phat P. Let's skip the politics and the religion. Unfortunately, Al Quaida is still around, but at least we can celebrate tonight.
Congratulation to the Special Ops for carrying out the mission Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaa the pig head is blown to pieces he ain't invicible after all. Any Islamist object what was done can go to hell . Liberals will cringe and wants investigation how it was carried out
Osama is dead (no real proof possible for this)
We are enforcing a no-fly zone in Libya (Our plane almost assassinated Quadaffi)
Obama is going to look into gas prices (expected to hit 6 bucks by July)
I move for a vote of no-confidence in President Obama. If he cannot lead the country then we need to find someone who can.
Because you LIKE Osama bin Laden, Moammar Gadhafi, and $4/gallon gasoline?
How sick is that?
Mark,
Clearly, it is past your bedtime. This is conversation for adults.
RLTW! slumlord!!!!!
The White will produce the body of Osama...once they wash all the piss off of it.
Mark..we have his dead body with a bullet in his head..that will be our proof.
And it was NATO planes of France and Britian not the USA that bombed Quadaffy ducks house.
The president of the USA doesn't own/operate the oil companies.
Stop reading the teabaggers web site of lies and learn the truth about life.
I'll give any person one million dollars if they could cut off bin laden's balls for me, so i can have it hang in the back of my bumper.
.....who do you think NATO actually is?
NATO is about 70% United States military. Their military operations leader is a USN Admiral. The planes and munitions used are almost solely American. You can frame it any way you'd like, but the US is waging war against Libya as we speak, and Obama knows this. Thus why he made sure to make it sound like he gave this radical policy shift to the CIA to make finding Osama priority one.....as if they had forgotten that was the main point of the war on terror. Give me a break.
You can thank GWB and the Military/Intelligence personnel now.
Osama dead means nothing. Nothing has changed. We are in 2 Vietnams and about to start a third. Yeah I am the dumb one..carry on.
John, where is your info from..the AP? White House? Nato?
The MOMENT they put this on the air you drink up all the facts they give you and regurgitate it. I do not even know what a teabagger is except on video games. I am very in touch. I see millions of people, just like you, cheering for the people that have given you 6 dollar a gallon gas, 35% under-employment rate, and lies upon lies.
It seems like you enjoy it. You realize every gallon of gas used to catch this guy cost 100 dollars in theatre? No, you would not understand how that in turn pushes the price of gas for normal people...anyway..go back to your cheering sheep friends and party down.
10 years to the date? Is it September?
common sense....
How would you like it if Russia came into DC and bombed and almost killed congress? Would you support the Russians? NO
SO flip that...why are you supporting what you would be against if it happened to you. I can tell you why.
Here's your sign.
You are being played like a fiddle and you LIKE IT. Enjoy it while it lasts. Your credit cards are about to run out. The US dollar has major devaluation daily. You have the fed daily printing money that is worthless and flooding the market with it. Enjoy while you can.
Blow the heads of his key followers and supporters and nuke the areas in Pakistan where he was found.
World will be safer place and we will not have to live in fear everywhere.
Also for a safer world, nuke the key Sunni Islamic radical breeding places in Saudi Arabia to remove future problems from these Sunni barbaric and beastly radicals, terrorists and their supporters.
And yet Mark you don't provided any peer reviewed data to actually support your arguments. I suggest you learn what the scientific method is before you start spouting of conspiracy theories.
However, I can understand your argument about how the US over stretches it's military option.. Have you ever seen the movie War made easy?
Mark: You are not just dumb, man, your hatred overrides your mind. You appear a damned fool, and your post raises serious questions about your mental health.
Bin Laden is finally home...where his soul will be tortured for eternity. GO GET HIM, LUCIFER!
Hmmm. Did Bin Laden pull a Hitler in the final moments knowing he was done anyways? That would be fitting.
Great. Nice to know there are Obama haters coming out of their wood work in full force collapsing threads. Nice one.
No, Gen, he fought, and used a women as a human shield. Brave wasn't he? That's a fact, not a probably. It took a week to comfirm because they had to have his birth certificate. That's a joke.
FactsnotRhetoric, you would give GWB the credit no matter how many years out of office it took us.
The fact is that Obama knew about this location eight months ago, and has had five national security meetings about this specifically. How many meetings did GWB hold on specifically killing or capturing UBL, not Sadaam Hussein?
No, George W Bush made it crystal clear which war he was backing, and which war he cared to declare "Mission Accomplished" for. If you want to pin a little medal on GWB for a job well done then give it to him for Iraq; its what he wanted, and killing Sadaam vindicates his daddy so let him have it.
Obama doubled down on Afghanistan, Obama brought Patraeus in, Obama took on this war (thats why it has been long dubbed "Obama's War") and had this went onto 2012 and Obama lost his presidency better believe it would have been Obama the neo-cons would have hung this war on.
Don't be a sore neo-con. Give the Commander in Chief his just due, or shut up till the next guy is sworn in.
This is a major blow to Trump's presidential aspirations.
Trump-Palin 2012!
Thankful Mom,
That's quite a cowardly act, isn't it. It speaks volumes about Bin Laden's true character. LOL. Good joke . ;)
Had Enough,
That is quite disgusting, isn't it. The neoCON teabaggers really are in full blown denial and full blown prejudice. They really do represent everything that is wrong with our country.
The Presidential order, 40 or so SEAL's, and Osama gets a bullet in the head. Good job President Obama, Navy Seals, and anybody else that brought about the demise of Osama. It is to have a President walks the talk
Ciewywtb42mh6sps-23
Evidence?
And if so, what makes you think attacking a location guarantee's a kill or success? Little clue son, Someone needs to be HOME for it to work!.. Kind of like striking when it's actually going to result in killing the intended target. And this doesn't include the lagistics of getting in and out of Pakistan that is said to be helping him.. This includes getting to know the area around the compound, who's friend and foe, ect.. You don't just walk in and say hi!. And you have to validate your intelligence if you are going to target him in a sovereign country you are not at war with.. You obviously have no idea what it takes to get in and get the job done the right way.. And to get a confirm kill means getting the body.. Bombing it would have left nothing to confirm, and all you would get then is a Ghost to chase. And the Muslim world wouldn't mind the fact that you would be chasing a Ghost around to the point of pure embarrassment and to the point of making him a GOD in their world.
So yeah, Obama did it right.. And didn't knee jerk himself into a stupid move that would likely have left him and America empty handed.
And I can't stress enough the differences between this strike and the one on Saddam was. We weren't occupying Pakistan with over 100 thousand troops, or combing through Bin Lauden's hometown either.. Nor was Osama dumb enough to go and hide in his own hometown. Saddam turned out to be as smart as someone who puts their computer or bank password as password. :/ He was easy to find apparently ;)
I'm just saying.....Obama won't take responsibility for anything unless it's good. Everything else he's more then happy to blame on Bush. That's not how it works. That's like Hitler saying he was only responsible for the growth of a nation, and his opposition was responsible for the Holocaust. You have to take the good with the bad. If you don't want to take responsibility for your terrible policies, you don't get credit when things come to fruition that started during that same time. I don't care who he had meetings with, or if he thinks he made capturing Osama priority one, as if it had slipped down the list.
I do find it funny however that you started your post with "You would give GWB credit no matter how far out of office he was". Funny, you all have no problem blaming him for everything, no matter how far out of office he is.
Deal with it. You started this BS line of "What started under Bush is Bush's alone.". Well ,guess what? This all started under Bush. I give Obama credit where credit is due. But trying to act like he brought about some radical policy change that led to this capture/kill is ridiculous and self serving.
I agree with the Homeland Security Chairman's assessment that both presidents contributed equally to the event. Based on the rhetoric in the article, it seems that presidents share this opinion, and additionally do not care as much as the rest of you about which of them deserves the laud.
Both the presidents and the chiefs of staff knew going into this that the majority of the credit would go to Lady Luck. The rest goes to the teamwork of strategic minds, the training of our armed services, and the long overdue validation of our intelligence operations.
Personally, I think Jack Lynch, who lost his son (a New York City Firefighter) said it best when referring to the news of Bin Laden's death - "... it didn't bring my son back." and "The fact that he's gone is not going to stop terrorism."
SHUT UP ciewytb42mh6sps-23, If an idiot like you knew for a fact Obama had 5 security briefings on Bin Ladens whereabouts for the last 8 months he'd still be alive! How many times did George W. Bush have Bin Laden's location and decided to let him go? "Obama doubled down in Afghanistan", and he was clipped in Pakistan?
Kumar, Lucifer is not a Muslim and he is not the devil or satan. He however is dead and buried. He was a Babylonian by the name of Nebuchadnezzar, in fact King Nebuchadnezzar.
Ok, for the peanutty gallery who cant follow the news story on their own HERE'S YOUR E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E. Fender, looking at you, kid:
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A FOOL be YOU, sir!
BTW, no one may have told you this in the asylum, numbnutz, but we're officially fighting in AFGHANISTAN, not Pakistan (we only have situational permission to conduct operations within Pakistan). Nice try, kid.
One related point that needs to be made here. Since Aug., 2010, they had an idea where Bin Laden was. Not 1 government, 1 news agency, no wiki leaks, no PFC. Manning, nothing leaked out. He was dead for a week before it was released. Can the government clamp down on public info----there it is. IF anything at all would have gotten out, Bin Laden would have moved and the chase would have begun over again. Without saying names, this should emphasis the importance of secrecy. NO, we don't have to know every move our government makes.
Once again:
Politico 44, "The Whiteboard" ( )
Talking Points Memo, "US Authorities Homed in on Osama for Last Eight Months" ( )
While all the NUT HEADS would go wild throwing dirt Pakistan 'the only real American ally in the war against terror', once again; I would request you all to watch this Official Video (of your President's Speech) very carefully http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42852983#42852983?from=en-us_msnhp>1=43001,
where Barak Hussain Obama clearly says ".... but its important to know that our conter-terrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to Bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding. Indeed Bin Laden had declared war against Pakistan as well and ordered attacks against the Pakistani people. Tonight i call President Zardari and my team has also spoken with their Pakistani counterparts. They agree that this is a good and historic day for both our nations....."
"Our War is not against Islam. Bin Laden was not a Muslim Leader. He was a Mass Murderer who murdered scores of Muslims......"
Phat,
Bin Laden didn't have any balls. That's why he recruited young people as suicide bombers to do his dirty work, then he hid like a coward for ten years.
.....does no one find it a tad odd that we have suddenly buried him at sea? That's a nice, easy way to get rid of evidence that we didn't in fact have Osama. I await his next video where he laughs at us for trying to fake his death. This all seems very Keystone Kops to me......I'm hoping he's really dead, but the fact that we dumped his body at sea is VERY suspect....
Even after shielding bin Laden, Mullah Omar and others, Pakis like Nabeel Khalids are trying to fool others with their own explanations and spins.
Pakis have been double crossing us and can any one trust a word of what Pakis say any longer?
Islam has converted the mindset of many Pakis beyond repair. They are the new Islamic religious Nazi beasts.
Body buried at sea? Islamic law? Never knew they used the sea as a cemetery? I don't like the way this sounds anymore? DNA, atleast? Pictures, I would think? I guess it comes down to belief or not? This could be another Jimmy Hoffa, Natalee Hollaway saga? Dead, but no body. Elation is turning to doubt. Might be they don't want anyone going after the body? If he turns up again, this may be the biggest embarrassment we've had in awhile.
yellow,
I have to admit that I'm equally skeptical of the scenario as outlined - it's all just a little too pat.
I'm also a little unsure why everyone is in such a celebratory mood - what's changed? It will continue to be a hassle to get on an airplane; we'll still be under massive surveillance (because we approved it); the economy's still in tatters; oil prices will still reach an all time high this summer; our government is still abetting corporations in looting our accrued wealth while it works to solidify the American aristocracy's place in society....nothing is going back to the way it was, the country has nearly torn itself apart over the past decade, and I see no signs that the wounds will heal anytime soon.
But...and I suppose this is the truly important point...one more critic of American imperialism has been silenced, and so we can continue on in our blissful but obdurate trek toward servility without being tormented by those who still have a conscience. I was no fan of ObL, but this country is still FoS.
BTW, we'll still need a new bogey man to keep everyone scared and in line....what do you think they'll trot out next? I'm in no rush to see the new model.....
Me! :D, actually probably whoever starts a journal in a illegally bought diary.
fenderbluesjr, you'd better get your facts straight. Obama knew where Bin Laden was since last August. So your arguement that the Bush administration knew where he was and did nothing is quite stupid. In fact, one could argue that the timing of this operation is highly suspect given that there is a presidential election coming up soon.
Don't talk if you don't do your homework.
David, We have him already----Qaddafi----been there---tried in '86---if he survives, he won't take what we've done to him too lightly. We've hit his compound twice, got some of his family, but he's still there. Terror is part of his repertoire and he just may get cranked up again. We have plenty of people who can get in, get out, and get the job done. One wonder what a bunch of rag tag rebels are doing dictating the cease fires/truce??
Demar, ciewy alluded to a false fact that President Bush wasn't interested in hunting down Bin Laden, not me pal. You might want to get your reading glasses straight demar. Demar it's also true this will be a re-election tool, but we both know this killing is pure luck. If Obama was that sharp, Bin Laden would have slept with the fishes in mid 2012. But don't worry, he's got Bill Daley to run the political spin for the up coming campaign. But it'll only work on the short term memory voters and those who don't do their homework. Or,the ones that don't read the entire story,demar.
The whole story of Iraq's WMD's was a lie, so that means the whole "Osama is Dead!" can't be a lie.
Oh wait, what?
I would not like that at all. I didn't like it when bin Laden did it, either. The world is a better place because bin Laden is dead. He was an evil man.
PHAT P., banned, out of chances. If you don't think something's worth commenting on, try not commenting instead of calling everyone buttholes.
Nabeel,
And thousands of non-Muslims. Gotta crack some eggs I guess....
tyler: I hope you get paid well, I don't know how you can stand to play referee over many very childish remarks. I read your 'buttholes' reprimand and had to laugh, reminds me of when I taught school:)
@ Svenolafson: Ahem.... actually, those were not my comments.... they were said by your President..... Yes. Mr. Obama! Sheesh!
@ Jonathan-1982062: While I know you will continue with your lame retorts against Pakistanis and your hatefull comments against Muslims generally (and no one in this world can help you with that), I would just like to point out that I dont't need to defend Pakistan on another Stupid forum because this time your President is doing the job:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42852983#42852983?from=en-us_msnhp>1=43001
If hatefull illiterates like yourself cant read, i hope they can hear......
ding dong the witch is dead
Great job boys! Now Mr. President bring our brave warriors home MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!! What a great country we have now hang his STANK ASS from the Washington monument!
Might want to check your religons there fielder.
and now we can all hope that the al queda movement will melt and dissolve
as did the wicked witch. congratulations to all who contributed to this action
which symbolizes the american spirit to pursue its enemies without rest.
Run Qaddafi, run! Hahahahahahaha!
Sadly, that isn't likely.
Sandie
Dude,you're twisted ....they almost got him too...hee hee.
Yes Sandie, that dumb bastard is next (or shall we pick off all of his sons first?)
Yeah, but instead murdered his grandchildren. Oops.
Funny, I don't see Cindy Sheehan or the rest of you hypocritical liberals in front of the White House protesting us predator drone carpet bombing a sovereign country and killing children.
Hey Phat
You know what happens this time of the year.....spring cleaning!
Gendolkari
Don't go asking me the hard questions tonight when I'm hoisting a few to Osama's demise.
So what? Qaddafi Duck was behind killing hundreds of Americans. Technically we should have iced his ass back in the '90s.
Pakistan has been playing us for fools for too many years. If they don't want to cooperate in helping us stop Al Qaeda, then they can get the hell out of our way.
Sandie, I didn't expect you to answer that. It was meant as sarcasm. Qaddafi's the one we need to ice. Hopefully his sons get that message, and give up.
More huge numbers of Islamic Sunni religious beasts to go!
These Isalmic religious beasts did not bother about any rules, laws, humanitarian considerations, while killing poor innocent people all over the world.
Genocides, terrorism and spreading fear are major Islamic weapons being used. We have to face them more ruthlessly.
Why should we care?
Take over all the oil rich fields in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE and other ME places.
At least, there will be less numbers of mosques, hate preaching and killer training centers all over the world.
In 1998 Gadhafi issued the FIRST Interpol Arrest Warrant on Osama bin Ladin. Britains MI6, America's CIA BLOCKED the warrant from being carried out.
Me too, fielder. It was the first phrase to run through my head. Are we a people susceptible to pop culture or what.?
As for the deaths of Gadhafi's grandchildren. The U.N. forces did not put those children in harm's way, the Gadhafi family did. The could have followed the example of the Brits during WWII and evacuated those kids to a place of safety.
Nonetheless, the U.N. troops incl from the U.S. should withdraw and let the Libyans fight amongst themselves.
I thought the same thing when i found out thats hilarious!!!
You are so damn right Fielder!
The really insulting part of this entire ordeal is all the politicians that are going to attempt to use this news as tool to further advance their own agenda and boost their own rating among voters. This is NOT a Republican, Democrat, or any other political party victory.
Al Qaida may slide into obsurity if Osama Bin Laden had it's money hidden in banks and they do not have access to it.
I've been singing that song every since I heard the news! I say we make this a National Holiday, May 1st. the day the wicked witch of the mid-east was taken out by American Navy Seals!
Posts right here show the anger of average people against the Islamic radical and terrorist monsters.
There should be no looking back. We should get that Mullah Omar and other Taliban and al-Qaeda leaders and their supporters in Pakistan.
World should show a lesson that Islamic terrorism won't work and people are not going to tolerate them any longer!
Exactly what I was going to say! LOL!
John Williams---nam---vet: We do NOT have his body with a bullet in his head!!! That was my very point. I have no problems with the "search and destroy" mission as the POTUS described it until---through his own actions, whether through malice afore thought or just plain old-fashioned stupidity, he deliberately destroyed ALL the evidence. Period. To paraphrase Winston Churchill, "That is a situation up with which we should not put." IMPEACH, now! Try for treason later!
Am I the only one who thinks the "burial at sea" line is BS to appease the Muslims?
I will bet that he is hanging in a meat freezer in Quantico like a hairy pinata.
That is decidedly gross.
Well, this is good news!
Can all Americans take a moment of festivity on Monday to dance in the streets like the terrorist scum did after 9/11? Game over and no reset button..........
Actually, the less attention Americans give to this news the more powerful of a slap in the face it will be to Islamic terrorists. Nothing will piss them off more than to see their kind be largely ignored. But the media has too much money to make off this story.
Jackel, you must be the guy in the Geico commercial who lives under a rock........
errr no... More like a well educated person who's done his homework. :) And I know how the media operates Bill, I've been in the business. ;)
Jack you must be retired and certainly out of touch, this is a great day, broadcast the hell out of the death of a murderer, parade his head down Times Square on a stick :)
I thought the same thing Bill. Let's dance in the street and show them the video. Let THEM drown in their misery. I'll even throw candy to all the kids...
yep, good news Mike....
Who said it wasn't a great day? You apparently don't comprehend how the war of minds works.. You go out in the streets and cheer ect you are giving a killer more respect that he deserves, and your enemy will find that funny because you let it affect you that much.. Ignore the man and he just becomes just that guy..err whatever his name was. The news media will glorify him, you watch.. Next up, documentaries ect.. Kind of what they do with mass serial killers. They give them catchy names and glorify them to make high ratings and big bucks. Next comes the books and movies ect. It's no wonder why you have copycats ect. Everyone wants to be immortalized these days. And you clearly don't comprehend how the Martyr system works in the Muslim world.
Personally...by Obama's own words...
We killed a combatant. We did not bring him to justice and get a conviction of the dude. There are 5 million more to take his place. This is nothing but a card played to try to keep the people thinking the gov is acting in their interests.
It will deflate them for awhile, but not for long. You are facing insurgents/rebels, not Al Qaeda in Afghanistan for the most part. When we start going bonkers with the Predator strikes again they will get pissed when the body count goes up. Bin Laden has nothing to do with the motivation of the Taliban and their new recruits. Their motivation is the same as when they took on the Soviets.
Robert-3107100 Their motivation is the same as when they took on the Soviets.
And the CIA and who trained those afgan mujahideen AKA modern day terrorists? From 1979 to 1989 when the Soviets withdrew. That was a ten year war. And Osama was apart of that training. Now were over there. Now that Osama is dead bring our troops home. And bomb from the air when needed.
Great job today Special forces hope you get that 25 million reward money
Greatest news will be if all Laden's followers and supporters are blown up with least costs.
Yes Robert, and that is why Afghanistan is a pointless quagmire overall. The Taliban will fight US to the bitter end just as we Americans would do if we were invaded and occupied by China and/or Russia.
As has been true since the time of Alexander the Great, Afghanistan is where empires go to die.
Its funny though. The republicans are blaming its all Obama when it comes to Lybia and NATO fiasco, but........ when the US finally kills Osama, now its Obama did nothing and has no credit whats so ever. Riiiight...............
Republicans hate Obama so much that they don't want to give that guy any credit.
Classic dirty cheap tactics from the Reich Wing. One of these days they will finally figure out that their dear leader never gave a @!$%# about finding Bin Laden.
david-475776
Not to throw cold water on all your Celebrations.
We knew how Osama Bin Laden thought and did things.
Now, we have to figure out how Al Zawahiri thinks and does things. Since we burned our contacts getting Osama Bin Laden, things will be more difficult to get Al Zawahiri (he is more Radical and Intelligent than Osama Bin Laden and has more contacts with Fundamentalist Islam than Osama Bin Laden did).
This is not over yet. We have been here for years up in the mountains (Pamir) and will be up here for more years conducting US Military Asymmetric Warfare.
Stop believing Wikipedia.
How many times do I have to tell you stop putting your hands on the stove burner when it is on the high setting.
Based on being at Afghanistan/Pakistan, US Military Training Teams from Germany as an asset to the Agency, during the USSR 40th Army Occupation of Afghanistan.
1. During the USSR 40th Army Occupation the USSR did not care which Afghans they killed. So millions of Pro USSR Afghans fled to Fundamentalist Islamic Iran (right next door). Also half of the rest of Afghanistan fled into Pakistan, mostly being Pro US "Western", some remained in Afghanistan to fight the USSR 40th Army Occupation.
2. The US Military Training Teams trained the anti USSR Afghans at Pakistan, they become the 1980s Pro Western Afghan Muhajeen. As demanded by Senator Charles Wilson Democrat Texas after his visit to the Afghan Refugee Camps at Pakistan.
3. The USSR 40th Army is defeated by the 1980s Pro US "Western" Afghan Muhajeen. The US Cuts and Runs, regardless of Senator Charles Wilson's begging US Congress not to abandon the 1980s Pro US "Western" Afghans, that need funds to help build Afghanistan back into the early 20th Century like they were before the USSR destroyed everything.
4. The millions of Pro USSR Afghans return from Fundamentalist Islamic Iran (USSR Backed Ally). Some even fought in the Iran Iraq Wars (Combat Experience after training from the Iranians and USSR Advisors). The US Military Training Teams were also at US Ally Iraq and would rotate between Pakistan/Afghanistan and Iraq. This is how we know that the Pro USSR Afghans fought in the Iran Iraq Wars on the side of USSR Ally, Fundamentalist Islamic Iran (They are fluent in Language Farsi).
Note: The US Military Training Teams from Germany accompanied those that they trained into Combat as Combatants to, enable on the spot corrections to training, and to observe to make corrections to subsequent training. This is how one of my subordinate US Military Officers was shot and nearly killed by a USSR Spetsnaz Hunter Killer Team Sniper. And as a big surprise to the US Military Conventional Warfare Forces we already knew that only women associate with women in Islamic Nations based on training, experience; as to why I had women on my US Military Training Teams from Germany.
The Pro USSR Afghans that returned from Fundamentalist Islamic Iran become the 1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban.
1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban start to massacre the 1980s Pro US Western Afghan Muhajeen as supported by Fundamentalist Islamic Iran with weapons, money, etc., in accordance with the Islamic Laws, Holy Koran (Quran) Sura 33, as the Pro Western Afghan Muhajeen are Collaborators to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers (everyone else) to "Die a Horrible Murdering". This included the massacres of all families, relatives, friends, in laws, etc. to prevent future Revenge Killings. This included chasing the 1980s Pro US Western Afghan Muhajeen into Pakistan and massacring them there also, and later establishing the Pakistanis Taliban at the Swat Valley.
Afterwards the 1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban start to destroy everything "Western" and non Islamic at Afghanistan. This included the Street Cars at Kabul, and all that had been built by the US from the 1950s to the 1960s, that turned southern Afghanistan into a early 20th Century "Little America" (I got to see this "Little America" during the USSR 40th Army Occupation, the USSR did not destroy these before they left, they were enjoying everything of "Little America".).
So years later when we were sent in after the 9/11 2001 Attacks to destroy the Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban Government's Infrastructure there was not much to destroy. So we secured areas for the arrival of the Main US Conventional Warfare Forces.
5. Osama Bin Laden (OBL) during the USSR 40th Army Occupation was still living with his rich parents and relatives at Saudi Arabia. And OBL starts the planning of the 1993 First World Trade Center Bombing.
Agreed.
That does not work, as to why we had to go into Pakistan, as even the MQs (Drones) were ineffective. You do not use a sledge hammer to conduct a surgical removal of an individual; unless you want to make more supporters of their Cause.
Credit were credit is due. This was a Joint Special Operations (JSOC) Mission, not just US Army Special Forces.
Well actually I thought the least my president should have done was put on a cod piece and landed on the grounds of the White House - saying "Mission Accomplished" - you idiots - should I go further Bush could not have gone after Sadaam Hussein if Bin Laden was dead there would have been no reason to go into Iraq, they needed Osama alive to do their dastardly deeds - for once think - Bush was planning to go into Iraq before 9/11 - didn't Wolfewitz say this ridiculous invasion would pay for itself - time for Cheney to release the records of his meetings withe the Oil Heads or if not him force everyone who was there to fess up
Add to post#5.16.
As an afterthought,
Now what are you going to do about the 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers that are supporting the International Al Quada Franchise thru their Mandatory Islamic Tithes.
You were already told before US Law, 1998 H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act", aka "the Overthrow Law". After this US Law Failed, the US Senate added the 2002 Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution to use the US Military as the final solution to Overthrow President Hussein.
It's over we did not go there to liberate the Afghans. We went there to get Bin Laden, We got him now lets bring our troops home.
Afghanistan = UN (Uninformed Nincompoops) Mission, Nation Building.
By the way what is that "We" thing. Were you up here in the Pamir Mountains conducting US Military Asymmetric Mountain Warfare. See posts # 1.123 and 1.124.
david-475776, no I was not and neither were you, you phony. The we refers to America as a nation. Of course you being that stupid could not figure that out. Also filling up your long post with a bunch of numbers and semi official looking facts does not mean that you know anything.
When I was in the Marine Corp I had a secret clearance, and was not privy to all the information you are putting on your post. Probably 90% of which is crapola. You are not in the United States military. You at best are a troll or some foreign misinformation specialist spreading propaganda. You would fill a lake with lies and then add one cup of truth to make it look real.
"ding dong, the witch is dead."
Oh really? PROVE IT. Oh wait, you can't. Osama's body was honorably "buried at sea" before anyone could examine it. Funny how any evidence related to 9/11 is quickly destroyed, isn't it?
crap sonnet
You keep saying "we"! - Have you got a big turd in your purse?
Mike, Good news indeed. In effect, bin Laden had his own country with
nuclear weapons.
love sonnet,
Hint: Instead of name calling. How about disproving what I post with your own Researched Facts.
Most Service Members receive an ENAC "Secret Clearance" including the Administrative Clerks. Most Officers, NCOs, Enlisted in my Officer Career Field receive TSBIs.
Nothing that I am posting is "Classified" as all our Computers have Real Time "Nanny Ware" Monitoring Software on them ever since Prisoner Manning leaked to Wikileaks.
love sonnet, perhaps if you bothered to do more research instead of name calling or attempting to denegrate my Facts with your non factual uninformed emotive opinions, maybe you will learn something. How about doing the research on the bottom of my post# 1.205.
David again you are full of misinformation. Most do not receive a secret clearance. All of them receive a confidential clearance which is the bottom of the rung clearance. Secret clearances are only given to those who have a need to know. The next clearance level above secret is top secret. There are only three levels of clearance, confidential, secret and top secret. People throw around titles like crypto clearance which is still a top secret clearance and no such clearance level exist above top secret. The so called crypto clearance is still just a top secret clearance but the person who is in the section of the military and government that uses cryptology or cryptographic machines adopt the title to sound more important or prestigious in other peoples minds. I doubt you have ever seen a crypto machine. The secret clearance I had was supposed to have been a top secret but because of the length of time the investigation involved for top secret it was down graded to secret. I have never told anyone why I needed a secret clearance when I was in the Marine Corp. Not even my family or my son.
And again I say you are so full of crap your eyes are brown. No one really believes anything you say here that has any degree of inteligence. That is unless they are a conspiricay theorist who believes that America did not land on the moon or that President Bush had the CIA fly the two planes into the World Trade Center buildings, or that Osama Bin Laden is living somewhere safe on an island paradise.
Please get real with your post and quit trolling and posting your conspiracy theories.
HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE A BIRTHER.
Talk about a DERAIL (Failed attempt to prove your wikipedia knowledge), attempt to disprove facts by stating other non relevant information, and not disproving what I posted.
Nope. Only a few possible Reasons:
The Investigators working on your Top Secret Background Investigation found dirt on you during criminal records checks, interviews with family, friends, relatives, and neighbors, as annotated on your DOD Security Clearance Forms.
Amount of time committed to US Military. Translation, not enough time that you would be in the US Military to warrant a Top Secret Background Investigation (TSBI), no justification for expending funds on expensive TSBI, justification on DOD Security Clearance Request Forms not filled in (one of those tedious bureaucratic duties required of US Military Officers, signature block must be signed by requesting Officer (usually Commanding Officer).).
You want to dispute this (reasons for your down graded Security Clearance) I have some POCs at the now All Branches Central Clearance Facility.
You use you failed attempt to justify your posts and failed attempts to discredit my Facts and childish name calling (Code of Honor Violations) with your using your "Secret" Security Clearance as leverage (another failed attempt to prove your facts, and disprove my posts).
love sonnet,
Something to help you regardless of your failed attempts to discredit my Factual Posts.
You really need to find out about the Non Public Access Records of your Local, City, State, or Federal Law Enforcement , aka Law Enforcement "Working Records (Files)". If you know anyone personally in US Law Enforcement they can access these Non Public Access Law Enforcement Records. These records are also initially accessed (one of the first things they research) by the Security Clearance Investigation Investigators. I had to file a Lawsuit (after writing letters to the Police Department and Police Commission) just to clear somethings off of my Non Public Access Law Enforcement Records just to get my TSBI Renewal Completed.
Do yourself a favor before saying Conspiracy Theory, just have a friend with US Law Enforcement check your Law Enforcement Records (the Law Enforcement Records people will only let you know about the Public Access Records). Indicators that you or your friend in Law Enforcement are accessing the Non Public Access Law Enforcement Records, all Court Cases (including dismissed), all Registered Firearms, Juvenille Records (including sealed, will not state details), registered vehicles, all accidents (mine included Insurance Company information), all complaints, dmv information (current photo), etc..
add to post#5.30.
I forgot the example that was still on my Non Public Access Law Enforcement Record:
Arrested for Vagrancy at two States (thrown in a detention cell). Back then, I was hitch hiking across the US, to see America after returning from US Military Service (War). The Judges dismissed both cases with Prejudice; but, it was still on my Non Public Access Law Enforcement Records (removed by a previous Lawsuit).
Actually there are 2 levels of clearance above top secret. Not everyone in the military knows about the 2 other levels, their jobs don't even entail their need to know.
david-475776, Again you do not know what you are talking about. When My platoon sergeant gave me the security clearance forms to fill out he informed me that I was actually supposed to be getting a top secret clearance but that they would be requesting a lesser clearance because my tour of duty at that duty station was only 1 year and it would or could take up to 6 months to obtain a top secret clearance. I served at another duty station where a top secret clearance was supposed to be needed but they did not upgrade my clearance there because of time also and the amount of time left in the Corp. Time and cost were the determining factors for not upgrading. As for my supposed criminal record you purport that I may have had. It is non existent. I have never been arrested or charged with any other crime than traffic violations. One arrest after discharge from the Marines in 65. The arrest was for an unpaid parking ticket, That was in 72. Please try blowing smoke up someone else's back side it isn't working here. You are still just a troll or misinformation specialist.
MY PREVIOUS POST ALREADY TOLD YOU.
That is why you received a Secret.And now you attempt to use you low ENAC Secret Clearance to make yourself seem important with only a couple of years in the US Military. If you were important enough to get a TSBI initiated or your Commanding Officer would have informed you (Required even back then, Commander's Security Clearance Investigation Briefing for TSBI (cannot be delegated)).
As previously posted:
Again do not know what you are talking about. ARREST = Criminal.
"Anything that the assigned Clearance Investigator deems as a "Pattern Of Criminal Behavior" is a valid reason for immediately stopping the Investigation and denial of a Top Secret Security Clearance" - Fort Meade, Consolidated Clearance Facility.
That even went for my unexplained speeding ticket (I paid the fine), in 1979. Back then if the Clearance Investigator found something like that they had the courtesy to send a letter to you and your Commanding Officer, explaining what was holding up the Clearance Investigation. At that time anything over a certain Dollar Figure (Traffic Violations) required a written explanation (justification) to clear yourself so that the Clearance Investigation could resume.
love sonnet EQUALS TROLL
add to post#5.34.
love sonnet THE TROLL,
Let's talk about 2011, not your Baloney Bullsh!t from the 1960s-1970s.
As we can even throw people out of the US Military for being suspected past or present Gang Members based on Gang "Tats" (Tattoos).
And all it took was 2 wars and 10 years!
That's because we were playing nice instead of going to war. We had Sadam in six months. We should have had Osama sooner.
and 4452 Americans dead
Exactly Shelley...We lost. I love the video on You Tube where the apache drops a bomb on ONE combatant and everyone is like..YEAH BABY..
that bomb cost 73K USD to make. Way to go guys. Way to go.
wow!!! 4452 died??? I guess I stopped tuning in after 3600.
Well at least they didnt died for nothing.
They finally got him.
The world is rejoicing about this!
ORB1943: The best way? Cremate the bastard and scatter his ashes down in the Indian Ocean. That way you'll ensure that motherf***er never raises from the dead when the final judgement comes. That is the worse possible punishment you can inflict on him. Plus it prevent his followers to enshrine him in a tomb. "Out of sight, out of mind."
I just watched the news from Singapore. It is all about how the Soviets are mobilizing along with China heading to Libya. Nothing about this at all. In fact I have seen little to nothing about this for years in non-USA media. Oops...
Mark, do you even realize that 73k is a cost that is worth every soldier on the battlefield? If that one insurgent had an RPG and was aiming it at an American citizen I would authorize 10 of those with no thought to cost.
Shelley - every war and conflict has a death toll. Sure 4452 is always one too many but like Plato has said: Only the dead have seen the end of war.
Stop acting like an idealist. Conflict is a fact of life. Armies march, men (and women) die. Societies try and better themselves because of it. Please stop trying to throw a monkey wrench into the gears of a small victory. We need good news from time to time. Stop peeing in the Cheerios.
Never too late!
I personally was cheering with the folks in front of the White House. Great job troops. Great job Mr. President. Anyone who isn't celebrating this is just misguided. USA!
Mark-1219747, i am in China and I have heard nothing about China mobilizing to go to Libya.
Clarifications as terminology for Credit where Credit is due:
US Military Conventional Warfare Forces:
US Army = Troops, Soldiers
US Air Force = Airmen (and Airwomen?)
USMC = Marines
USN = Sailors, Seamen and Seawomen?
US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces:
US Army = US Army Special Forces, aka Green Berets
USAF = Special Operations Wings (SOWs), Special Tactics Teams (STTs).
USMC = USN MARSOC.
USN = USN SEALs (Sea Air Land).
Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) = US Army, USAF, USMC, USN Asymmetric Warfare Forces.
See posts #1.123 and 1.124. and add Details: How long do you think it takes to acclimitized to over 10,000 feet to conduct US Military Asymmetric Mountain Warfare, develope Actionable Intelligence Sources, gain the trust of the Locals, learn Dari, Arabic, Farsi, Pashtu, as well as attending the other US Military Asymmetric Warfare Schools. Think Decades.
david-475776, again acting like you were there leading the operation. You are just a phony. Yes the names of the survices are probably correct but that does not mean that you are part of them.
love sonnet,
Hint: Instead of name calling. How about disproving what I post with your own Researched Facts.
"are probably correct".
Again you do not know because you did not even bother to do the research.
And the votes for your post(s) proves once again that Newsvine is a popularity contest (votes) versus "A Place to Get Smarter" (Facts not emotive non factual non researched uninformed opinions).
Ding Dong the Witch is Dead
Hope this is true
WTF the Paki's hid him in a mansion?
The government of Pakistan have a few questions to answer, and I suggest that ALL aid stops cold for a while. They have probably known where the sumbitch was hiding-out for almost a decade.
These countries use us for the cash while using it to fund their terrorist operations.
Cut off all funds to all countries..then let's playball.
I do not blame the Government of Pakistan. As going after the entire Nation and not the Local Population that supported Osama Bin Laden.
In Asymmetric Warfare I blame the 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers that support the Al Quada International Francise thru Mandatory Islamic Tithes (monetary, Political, Sanctuary, Legalization of Islamic Terrorist Organizations, etc. and if you have nothing else to give as a Mandatory Islamic Tithe then you join the Jihad.).
In Asymmetric Warfare you cut off the money, support, political support, local support, national support, international support, kill their will to continue the fight (their Cause), etc. and then get better (more trained and experienced, takes decades, us) US Military Asymmetric Warfare to eliminate them.
Take care of Pakis for shielding the enemy! May be Pakis need aids!
My counterpart of the Pakistanis Asymmetric Warfare Forces suffered a huge Attrition (deaths) during the Pakistanis Attack of the Swat Valley.
I blame the Islamic Believers at Pakistan for providing Sanctuary to Al Quada, Pakistanis Taliban, Army of Islam (Pakistan), Hamas Foreign Fighters, Chechen Foreign Fighters, Kurdistanis (PKK, HPG, KGK), etc. in accordance with current Islamic Laws. And I blame the Chinese and Russian Federation for providing Weapons, Technology, Advisers, etc. to Fundamentalist Islamic Iran, with Fundamentalist Islamic Iran then providing training, organizing, funding, weapons, equipment, support, etc. to the Worldwide Islamic Military, and also to blame are the 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers that are providing support to the Worldwide Islamic Military and Worldwide Islamic Law Enforcement thru Mandatory Islamic Tithes per current Islamic Laws.
People Stateside have got to stop their miopic view of what is happening Worldwide.
david: Don't forget the massive genocides of minorities in Pakistan since 47.
Even now there are genocides of Shiites and Christians (hardly 1.6 percent) in Pakistan.
We have to blame the US, British and European allies for looking the other way when massive genocides have been going on since decades.
Are justice in this world so delayed and blind?
Here most of the Pakis are guilty directly or indirectly and they need to be punished for these too!
I dare anyone to PROVE that Obama's dead. His body was quickly destroyed before anyone could examine it. "America" is just so AWESOME when it comes to destroying evidence.
Give it some time, ImoenOfTelengard. When the time is right (after all the military debriefings, after all the paperwork has been done, after all the forensics has been processed), you will have your proof. No doubt!
And in a suitable amount of time, "60 Minutes" will have a report with the actual troops that were there, just like they did when Saddam Hussein was captured.
OK. And so dumping bodies of "targets of value" is standard military protocol? Did I miss this lesson in boot camp?
Sentry Order #3: Dump bodies of all super terrorists into the ocean ASAP without allowing any doctor or anyone else, for that matter, to examine it.
ImoenofTelengard: Better proof than the speech he gave last night on TV? Or you need the birth certificate too? Or you're referring to Osama?
Yup, better proof than the speech. And no, I don't care for Osama's birth certificate. But it seems you are really preoccupied with it.
ImoanOfThenpot
I have underwater photo of your Hero Osama Bin Laden blowing out of a sharks' @$$hole!
Allahu Akbar!
Oh yeah, he's my hero! Just because I want proof that he's dead! Yup, that means he's my hero! ALLAH AKBAR!!!
Ding Dong! the Wicked Bitch is dead! Ding Dong the merry oh, sing it high, sing it low,
Let them know the Wicked Bitch is Dead! - Bravisimo, JSOC!
Yeah, and did you hear: We found all the WMDs three days ago.
WHY all this "we"? Have you STILL got that big turd in your purse?
I double dirty dog dare you to PROVE he is alive.
Let the weak minded and bitter trailer-trolls whine about the lack of a full coffin: the hard fact remains no one will ever see Osama bin Laden walking on this earth again.
There will come a point very soon when the whiners will have to shut up because they will become as embarrassed by their nonsense as they ought to feel right now.
Score one for the good guys! Fantastic news, if true!
Exactly
The only thing I thought of after about 15 minutes of hearing the news, is that this sick **** could yet get the last laugh.
What American needs to be vigilant about now, is that Al-Qaeda sleepers are not now called into action. It's totally an Osama thing to program all the diabolic minions worldwide that "the next offensive" is put into motion once the world news announces the day that "Osama is dead."
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Show me a picture of the dead Osama. I dare you. You can't, can you? Why? BECAUSE HE'S NOT DEAD. In fact, he probably never existed.
ASININE!
What? No race baiting this time for no reason Joe? You're getting soft.
RhetoricNot Facts
YOUR emotional disposition of extreme hatred, anger & hostility is serious and clinical. Your verbal antilocution is near criminal. You MUST resume your Prozac regimen immediately and contact your local mental health facilitity! - Sorry but I have no further time... your joe
Someone got a word of the day calendar! You can use big words, but you're still just a liberal zealot running around spewing hatred for anyone who would dare speak against Obama, and throwing the race card around so freely, that you would think it was a joke to you. Racism isn't a joke. You do know that right?
RhetoricNotFacts
YOUR "big word" for the day is: - DISCOMBOBULATE - D.I.S.C.O.M.B.O.B.U.L.A.T.E
Spell it out loud, write it and pin it to your refrigerator door (if you have one). AND you can easily use it in a sentence in reference to yourself...
You can keep making stupid posts like this, but I'm still waiting for you to tell me what I said that was racist, which is nothing. You just keep running your mouth and not answering me. It makes you look like a race baiting moron.
Your words are Race Baiter R.A.C.E B.A.I.T.E.R
Say it loud and proud, cuz it's what you are. Now back to your normal stupidity.
AND I am NO "weak-kneed Liberal". The terminology it would take to aptly describe myself would be far to complex for such as you. You are to simple-minded to ever comprehend it...
Bumblebee: Had to wade through a cat fight to get to post. Wikileaks had information about just that subject. There was talk of a major nuclear device somewhere in Europe that was to be detonated if word went out that Osama was killed by the Americans.
No, I know how to describe you, wobblie. Race Baiter.
RhetoricNOTFact - buzz off, NOTmygirl -
"Race Baiter"? Hee! Hee! - Sticks and stones may break my bones but names can REALLY hurt me!
Well, you're the worm that bit on the bait! - Shame!
Just WHEN I was thinking of enlightening you on how, using Mills' scientific methods, that you are NOT ONLY the CONSUMMATE racist but ALSO a PARADIGM of hypocricy! BUT I have neither time nor inclination to do so.
However you have been quite amusing! But I will toy with you no longer... your joe - (hope you enjoy the "big words")
PS: Ther is a mispelled word(s); see if you can find it!
I'll ask you one more time, since you seem to have the attention span of a small mammal. What. Did. I. Say. That. Was. Racist? You can't tell me anything, because I didn't, but you were all too happy to call me a racist, making you a race baiter.
PS - Consumate and hypocrisy are two of them. You're not nearly as clever as you think you are. If you had a brain, you'd be dangerous.
Haw! Haw! (that's a horse laugh) You missed "M.I.S.S.P.E.L.L.E.D"!
You're not nearly as clever as you think you are. But I've certainly hooked a real sucker!
Joe: you are a self-centered little soul, aren't you. You don't want an interruption in your little contretemps nor do you want anyone calling you on your behaviour. Guess what? When your behaviour is such that you impinge on others then you should be called out. Don't like it? Unfortunately for you there are many other people on the planet and they don't want or need to bow to your self-absorption.
NOTmygirl#9
Sorry, no time for Teaboogers and I have nothing to call you out on except your incessant reactionary flatulence... NOT your joe
Obama got him! Congratulations, Mr President!
Correction - well done U.S. Army!
I think Obama was in Washington.
The team at the CIA have been following and closing in on Obama, even as Obama moved around. The Presidents have changed during this search. But, the guys out in the field closing in on him did all the work. I hope the real credit goes to those who made this happen.
Everytime the CIA got close, they sent in the Army. He was gone. Not this time.
Great.
As Bush continually reminded us, the President is Commander in Chief. Well done Pres. and troops, and CIA. Not bad for a guy who wasn't even born in the U.S. Get a life birthers!
Obama didn't do jack.. the US Military got him. Obama is worthless
Well since President Obama is the leader that returned our focus back to Afghanistan and the search for him, I think anyone being honest would give him some credit!
Maybe had Bush not taken our military and attacked Iraq before the job in Afghanistan was done we would have gotten this done years ago!!!
Well done US army is right. Obama did not get him unless he was hiding in bed with Mrs. O! Too many young soldiers died to give credit to anyone except them!
That's right - if it is true [which I don't believe]- Obama did not do anything - it would be the US Army - we sure as hell lost a lot of them to do it! How dare someone try to credit Obama - who sits in that damn White House doing absolutely nothing and wasting our tax dollars!
Thank you President Bush for your persistence, and yes definitely our troops. Come on Obama, you blame Bush for everything that has gone wrong. Give him his dues now and thank him for what he started. You're (Obama) going to put this feather in your hat and ride it to re-election. Wise up Americans.
Shows what you know. Obama simply continued Bush's plans. Heck, Obama promised to bring the tropps home back in 2008. Good think Bush's plans for Afghanistan were carried out.
Obama didn't do anything it was never his idea to go after him. Give credit were credit is due.
Obama did nothing. hard to believe I am saying it but he's a worse president than Bush. He sucks and hopefully will not get re-elected. thank the troops that are actually doing the fightinh
obama didn't get him...the troops did. nothing against obama...but he didn't do it.
Congratulations to all the men and women in our military, the glory is theirs, it belongs to no politician or any other civilian. God Bless America.
mission now accomplished
do you really think obama had jack to do with this?
Obama is Commander in Chief of the US Military.
This clearly shows his strong leadership in this major success.
Spin it as you will.
Obama got him!
Obama didn't get him. It was the men and women that are over there fighting. I don't know where the hell anyone gets that Obama got him. He wasn't over there searching and fighting.
Wow, they killed the infamous terrorist.
Now ask Obama why he's not kicking wall street & the big banks out of the white house by now, and where did the economy relief money REALLY go~?
(Answer: bank's pockets)
Exactly! Obama didnt do it. Don't give him credit for what our men and women that represent this country have done!!
You can verify it for yourself. The Bush administration had already drew up the plans for ramping back up in Afghanistan. Obama simply took Bush's plan and carried it out. Once again, Bush did not miss the mark.
Like Reagan didn't tear down the Berlin wall but the wing nuts constantly use that as a great example and defining leadership. Give the POTUS credit. I'm sure there is so much behind the scene you will never understand
Job well done to our american forces. NOT Obama!
Obama didn't get him, he was home eating off a silver spoon when
Our hard working military did it.
To those saying "Obama didn't do anything"....
He increased the focus in Afghanistan. Bush had Osama cornered, but then took troops away from Afghanistan to invade Iraq. Obama put the focus back on Afghanistan.
So far he's turned around the economy, and he has captured Bin Ladin. Give the guy some credit.
You people are sad. If this had happened 3 years ago I would have given President Bush his deserved props, now man up and give them to the sitting President. The COMMANDER in Chief of the US Military.
Well done all. It was a long time coming.
Bush?? Really??? Bush ran us off into Iraq going after the man who embarrassed his daddy. Obama took us BACK to where we needed to be this entire time. stop drinking the republican kool aid. smh
"Thank you President Bush for your persistence, and yes definitely our troops. Come on Obama, you blame Bush for everything that has gone wrong. Give him his dues now and thank him for what he started. You're (Obama) going to put this feather in your hat and ride it to re-election. Wise up Americans."
Seriously...how soon YOU forget the damage Bush caused...the U.S. is in the state it is in because of BUSH, were you that stupid to think Obama would be able to clean up 8 yrs of mess overnight??? Bush didn't care about Bin Laden, he had to go after Sudam, so his daddy would love him (hmm, elder Bush who couldn't get his man either)!! I think you are the one who needs to wise up.
Congratulations to all the soldiers who battled and won...to those who lost their lives, may they rest in peace!
Obama didn't get him. He was on vacation somewhere. It was the military personel that got him. The only military action Obama has seen was playing Battleship with his daughters.
Too many people here have seemed to forget that all of our military forces are commanded by the President.
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Slumlord
mission now accomplished"
Right. Cuz OBL was the only terrorist left.
That dumb ass in the white house didn't have anything to do with it. This has been going on long before he rolled into easy street! The great men and woman of this great land did it. He is still bashing Trump on what he got done something the Clinton's didn't. Glad it will be all over soon!!!
Good Job!
Obama did nothing, give credit where it's due. He will try to take credit, such a narcissist.
Bush started and then tripped on his face in embarrassment.. Your argument is like giving someone credit for screwing up and ignoring the person that makes the save, or fixes the screw-ups mistakes.. Bush messed this country up so badly that it would have taken an act of your Lava GOD to fix it all in under 4 years. Your lucky you can still feed yourself son.
They have a saying.. It's easy to screw up, and it will cost twice as much to fix it in the world of economics and war. Bush nearly collapsed our entire nation because GOD told him to do it.. That wack job deserves no credit other than the credit for @!$%#ing up this country.
Thanks Obama for doing SOMETHING constructive.. But this doesn't imply that Obama is doing an excellent job overall as I can mention a few things I can give him a failing grade on..
If you are one of those who praised Bush and his Admin. for "keeping us safe" after 9/11, then it's time for you to give it up for Obama for "accomplishing the mission".
It was okay for you to praise Bush/Cheney, when it wasn't even their lives on the line or any personal effort made by them to fight terrorism.
Now you can praise Obama(yes I know our guys/gals in the field made it possible, and deserve the real credit).
Like it or not, Barack Hussein Obama gave the order for Operation "Kill the SOB".
Obama is the commander and chief of the US Military.
He issued the command, nothing would have happened if he did not do that. The generals only have so much authority.
But I thank both the same.
A bunch of comments about crediting restored.
Yes, the military & CIA & ??? did the dirty work, but nothing would have happened if President Obama didn't say "GO"! NOTHING!
I'm betting less than 27 minutes for republicans to spin this into Obama's failure somehow
I was thinking the same thing. Setting my watch to count down to the spin action!
LOL 28 minutes from now Donald Trump will ask for Bin Laden's death certificate to prove we got him.
Thank you Monkey (that says it all) I just did.
@monkey;This was a concerted effort , much bigger than one man,so just celebrate,the world smells better already!!
Might have been nice if we could have waterboarded him for a while... wring as much intel as we could... then string him up in a prison in New York... nevertheless a success by Obama and America.
Monkey Pie,
It's a SHAME that's what comes to YOUR mind during this awesome moment! YOU ARE MAKING YOUR KIND LOOK BAD!
A PATHETIC life you have!
(Before my post locked in another LIB, Jay chimed in with his pathetic support for Monkey, So i inc. Jay with his patheticness)
And you'll probably try and spin it that it was Obama's credit. And not the structures and policies Bush put in place from 2001-2008...
Yeah and the Democrats would never do that to a Republican President.
The fact that Obama has been in office for over two years before bin Laden was killed proves that Obama is a Failed President!! How's that?
I'm assuming you're giving that much time because it's nighttime?
I believe a special team from Delta Force has been tasked to tracking down Bin Laden. They may of had "boots on the ground" to also retrieve the body from Pakistan, unless the Pakistanis handed it over.
No 69 virgins for Bin Laden. All the other idiot dead terrorists already used them all up!
I would like to see the POTUS bring in Bush to make a joint announcement. This could be a unifying thing. Repukes please allow good news to be an American good news story.
Monkey, your're stupid. This shouldn't be about party lines. Just be happy
It took only one minute for the Obamaites to give Obama full credit. C'mon folks, It was an ongoing project of the US government, and has nothing to do with who was/is president.
Hey monkey it was a @!$%#in Republican that started the hunt for Bin Laden in the first place or did you conveniently forge that fact. By the way Obama sucks and so does the Democratic Party, or maybe you believe in obortion, gay rights, unchecked immigration, and all the other lovely things that Democrats do for this country.
Less than 27 minutes to politicize the death of a terrorist who our entire nation hated, who was hunted down over the course of several years by the efforts of many different people with all kinds of political views. Just try to enjoy the moment without ruining it for others, could you, please?
As a conserative, I'm very proud of the mission our intel and military have done in following this mission to completion! Starting with President Bush and being finished under President Obama, all Americans and freedom loving people should be proud of our country. President Bush said that 'no matter how long it takes, we'll bring OBL will be brought to justice'. I don't agree with President Obama on many things, but I give him full credit for following through on this important mission!
as a special forces op it requires the potus approval and both GWand fox news gave credit myself I thank the troops in the field way to go all
OK....We've had an hour to celebrate. Let's go back to bed....get ready to go to work. Watch out tommorow for reprisals. Also for those of you that are religious think about the commandmant of Thou Shall not kill....someone somewhere needs to pray for the soul of that Bastard Bin Laden. If you can't do that then certainly pray for his victims.
djp264, John-3401597, mishan-3401996 banned, first comment flaming. See #1 of the Code of Honor.
Paul Kyser is a tard banned, regged to harass.
I agree that all the credit shouldn't go to Obama.
Firstly, the service people who planned and executed this raid deserve significant credit.
But also President Bush. He may not have been in the hot seat to pull the trigger like Obama had to, but he oversaw the creation of some of the intelligence/military teams that began this task years ago. He also guided the nation in the days/weeks after 9/11 - no easy job!
Bush may have oversaw the creation of some of the intelligence/military team in the hunt for bin laden, but less than six months after 9/11 he said he wasn't concerned about bin laden anymore and soon afterwards we were off in the great oil crusades of the saudi arabian nations. Bush gets no credit with me. He only went through the motions as befitting a leader of a nation, but he didn't care about bin laden and made iraq his top priority under false information...he guided nothing...he was guided just as a special needs individual is guided in life...players behind him made the calls and he did what they wanted from him...
Give credit to Bush? - ASININE!
The Bush administration dismantled the CIA's Bin Ladin unit!
Bush stated in reference to Osama: "I truly am not that concerned about him."
Bush and his thugs are lucky to have escaped being charged for their many war crimes...
How come he was never charged with 9/11? The FBI's page only accuses him of the Embassy bombings in East Africa.
Maybe its because 9/11 was an inside job. Maybe we can have some discussion on that fact.
GW Bush said it was OK that Bin Laden got away.
Today's news is far better than catching Saddam Hussein in his spider hole.
Ralph-
I think we've all had enough of conspiracy theorists recently.
Also, I wouldn't assume his legal status related to 9/11 stated above as a "fact".
"9/11 was an inside job" - please explain; I'm sure there are several federal agencies that would be interested in verifiable details.
anyway; this is great news that this Bin Laden will no longer be directing plots against innocents.
9/11 was a DEMOLITION. That is proven fact.
99.9% of these comments are by the same mentality of people who jumped for joy when OJ Simpson beat the system. All who knew the truth took a back seat, as now. Bush had more to do with 9/11 than Osama if Osama had anything at all to do with it. There was not one shred of evidence linking him with 9/11; but there was a ton of evidence linking our own govt to the crime. For me, Norad standing down was the biggest disappointment. You can't trust anyone.
I'm glad bin Laden was killed if it is true. I want that verified somehow because I don't trust anything govt says any more. I love America not Govt.
Trump,
You are welcome to my house for dinner anytime.
So many people pinging me on Yahoo saying..arent you glad Osama is dead. I sit here just stunned how they take any info fed to them by the gov hook line and sinker. I still have seen no evidence this guy is a real person outside of tapes that could have been filmed anywhere.
Sorry, I cannot believe one word out of DC at this point.
That's Right! And you know what else ? The Lunar Landings were FAKED! Its a PROVEN FACT!
Idiot.
Karpy,
Wrong... And you can feel free to provide your evidence.. Nothing worse than someone like you self-inventing your own supposed facts. And you do realize that much of that controversy is fueled by Flat Earthers correct, because they believe NASA is a giant conspiracy.. Intentional ignorance is amazing these days isn't it. Don't turn your computer on, it's a conspiracy too ;)
Trump: The bombings of the Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, the bombing of the US Cole, the bombing of the WTC in 93, those were not 'controlled demolitions.' So, where is your conspiracy theory in those? Or you're going to find an excuse for them too?
Jus, These people don't research anything, they just make noise. If they would be quite and listen they might learn a litte truth. Instead they just make up stuff, so they can complain about how insecure they are.
Who the hell cares about Trump? Republicans and Conservatives don't. The media is just focusing their attention on him.
This is a good moment for the country! I don't like Obama like many people I know, but the work done here was tremendous and I'm glad the President gave the order. The left has to stop being so blinded by hate by taking every opportunity to try to surpress the opposition. You guys on the left make me sick when you take these childish positions.
If true, good...may he burn in hell.
This is not a time to be joyful. A death is still a death (wish it could have been differently). Perhaps the killing in his names on both sides can now stop.
He won't, but you may.
sometimes, even if you think you're right, you just gotta shut up.
A killing is a killing.....
Yes it is. A human life is gone, which in and of itself is nothing to celebrate.
But, have you ever seen the movie Sgt. York starring Gary Cooper? Real life WWI hero Alvin York was drafted. He refused to fight saying it was against his Christian beliefs. He was sent to the front lines anyway. When he was in the midst of battle he saw Germans mowing down his comrades. York snuck up behind the enemy, took out a machine gun nest, and mowed down the Germans. When his commanding officer asked why he did it since he abhorred violence, York replied, "Well, I had to do it in order to save lives. By stopping the Germans and getting them to surrender I saved the lives of all our men."
That is why we celebrate the death of Bin Laden. Not because a human life was snuffed out of existence, but because we've saved lives by stopping a murderer of innocents.
Yea, a death is a death. Whatever. I am GLAD and HAPPY his death came tonight!
I too am relieved he is gone, but I am bothered by the cheering. The cheering in other countries really bothered me after 9-11. I wonder if/when retaliation will occur.
We have the right to cheer.
What I want to know is how this article, less than 5-seconds after being posted, had over 2000 comments. Some of the responses could not be faked could they hmm?
umm... do you know how many people are actually reading this article? And it's been more than 5 seconds.. ;) But I am sure many are propaganda posts as there usually are in big news threads that deal with politics and world news.. And those people are easy to spot. ;)
Mark....I read the article and posted several times. There are a lot of real people out there reading the news....it has to be great news for a lot of people. Woo. hooo Yipeee....Yipey Kayaaa!!!! I don't think a lot of shills are posting. (Politically ignorant people...yes....shills no.) :)
How do you spot them , Jackel?
Check their history Thankful Mom.. Usually their histories consist of the same messages over and over and usually inject their messages in topics and subjects that have nothing to do with world news, or even politics. I have found some that just repeat the same message over and over as mass spam.. So yes, they are easy to spot.., And sure, there are some trickier one's out there, but you can usually spot the more flagrant ones. ;)
The 1984ish image of Osama will burn, but the actual man.. Probably not considering any proof related to his dead was quickly destroyed. For all we know, it was Bob down the street who was thrown into the ocean.
wow. never felt like this before. this is great.
Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do when da Delta Force comes for you.......it does feel great as true justice is great.
america fukk yeah!
I know! I dont know how to feel, it seems unreal! Watching Obama speak now and it just is incredible. I actually never thought this day would come.
I think it is great that Osama was finally stopped. I am a little uneasy about the kids chanting at the White House. It looks staged to me.
It still remains. Obama is not trustworthy. He is a spend thrift. We are broke now and terrorists from under every rock will be mounting strikes...who knows where. What will we do? Pat down 5 year olds and grandma at the airport.
I don't trust this administration and it's Zars one little bit.
Why does he only speak from a prepared speech via teleprompter? Can't he ever just speak to the people? Ever. Or does every word have to be scripted. And what happened to the Oval office? Is there a picture of Mao hanging on the wall now or something. Why doesn't he give his addresses from the Oval office. Ever.
Huh. I don't feel any different at all.
One Al Qaeda douchebag down. Thousands more Al Qaeda meat puppets to go. You better keep helping US find them Pakistan.
blue-iris your one ******* idiot.
Kind of snarky aren't you jojo? Do you ever have a comment that has any substance? Or are they all one liners?
I agree with JoJo, you are one ******* idiot. That was not a one-liner, that was statement of opinion. Been teabagged lately? Now, that is a one-liner. My job is done...
Don't respond to the question just jab and run. Typical lib. Oh and your name open minded jon.
Bush spoke last night briefly and he did not have a teleprompter. It is refreshing to be spoken to by some one who doesn't need one 24/7. It is nice too to see old footage of Bush speaking simply because he is not speaking from a teleprompter.
When was the last time Obama spoke with out one? For Heaven's sakes he even needs one in a kindergarten classroom.
WHATEVER. You didn't even think of Osama for the last 6+ years.
Blue Iris: For you is damned if you do, damned if you don't. The only thing in concrete we have from you is the despise you have for the President of the United States. This is not the forum to be talking about politics (Even though I will take your challenge any time and place you like). You are the kind that complained because he didn't capture him, but keeps on complaining after the capture. You want to complain about the pat downs at the airport? Well, that is the little price to pay for security. Nobody is forcing to fly, but if you don't want to conform with the rules or regulations, do not fly. It is not a given right, you pay for a ticket and you have to follow all the rules and regulations, whether you like it or not. Besides, the rules you so much despise have been in place before this President took office. You cannot fathom that the person you so much despise actually accomplished in 3 years what the other couldn't in 8. Go back and keep on crying...
Blue-Iris: We know that Bush did not speak out of a teleprompter. He didn't need help to look like an idiot. He by himself perpetrated the English language without any help. It is so good when they make a fool of themselves by spending thousands and thousands of dollars in education and they are not even capable to manage the English language. Good thing for me that I missed him.
Why collapse BlueIris comments? There was nothing offensive, just their comments and opinion. So will I be wasting my time by posting my opinion on here? After all this is America, not China or Iran, right?
I think that if Osama bin ladin has been killed that of course this is great and the president and especially the CIA should be carried on our shoulders through the streets. I am of course speakingb figuratively... they deserve tremendous praise. BUT since when does our country respect the religious "rights" of a mass murderer? Is Bin Ladin entitled to a Muslim burial? How convenient this will be for his supporteres of course that will claim to see his "ressurected" glorified body now!!! This decision was the either the stupidest one made by an incompetent leader or a brilliant excuse to dispose of the WRONG body! Either way this was a huge mistake and how long before Bib Ladin starts to appear holding hads with Elvis and Michael Jackson, Tupac, and Jim Morrision?
Why does our government do everything possible to make sure that conspiracy theories and crazy rumors continue forever? If this was Osama bin Ladin then why didn't someone have the sense to secure the remains fully for third party verification? Like I said, either the stupidest or the smartest manuever but not in the complete and best interest of the people of the Unioed States who will have to contend for years or decades to come with the inevitable ramifications of the totally inappropriate manner that Obama handled this.
Kyot: Actually, no, "this" is not America. It's a forum on the Internet on which anyone who cares to register can comment. However, it is usually pretty easy to tell which posters are American and which are not, as the Americans tend to use personal pronouns (especially "we") and other deictic expressions (e.g., "here" or "this") without seemingly any awareness that all of the world is not the US.
I guess Osama must have an identical twin out there, because guess what? DNA matched him exactly.
There's going to be alot of misinformation that will come out in the days ahead while the news media tries to get answers to exactly what happened. The same happened after 9/11. Tons of misinformation was spouted then also. Before deciding something is a conspiracy theory maybe wait until all the facts are out.
There are photos of OBL, but from what I've heard they are quite disgusting pictures and there is a question of appropriateness in revealing them. No one has said they won't be released, but if they should.
They can Photoshop over the blood, bits of skull and brain tissue for the little ones.
Just couldn't figure out why dump the body in the sea, Use you head America think why we have close casket funerals I know many want to see but do you want to start a new war over what you see? Some thing are best left to the imagination rather than to excite those who already need little provocation to lost their tempers. I wrote this at the end of the vine yesterday but thought it bears repeating at the beginning. In addition as the day wore on it has been widely reported that the idea to use special operation was Obamas alone which gives him the credit! Id never thought I hear myself say bless Rush Limbaugh but he gave an eloquent observation of how Obama saved the day! The Truth will win out. It was imperative to kill bin ladin because that was the objective, look now to the reasonable pulling out of Afghanistan because there is truly no reason to be there now and doesn't the amount that we need to run this country almost exactly match what we are spending there Good THINKING PRESIDENT OBAMA!
Bin Laden's body was buried at sea to deny extremist followers of a "holy site" at his grave. Also, most true Muslims wouldn't want to be buried anywhere near him.
I think this only marginally changes any Afghan pullout plans. We are fighting the Taliban there and really not AQ. Besides, Afghan police and military are STILL not up to speed. We shouldn't risk all the sacrifice over the last 10 years just to get out a little earlier.
Finishing the job is the best honor we can pay to those who have suffered great loss.
well I guess they could have cremated him and then sent his ashes on the next Mars explorer.
cremation would be been desecrating the body and would piss off even moderate muslims.
Bin Laden, through the 911 attacks, wanted to piss off even moderate Americans. That, of course is and was OK, so why all the fuss about pissing off Muslims for worrying about the body of a man who desecrated thousands of people 10 years ago.
A more valid argument would be that we do not want to piss off the Saudi's and the Bin Laden family.... I bet that the Bush white house had consulted the Saudi's about what they should or could do in the event that that heartless man bumped into justice. Obama was given this info too and might have also had discussions with the Saudi Government about this.
Yeah!
How long? I thought we might have got in in '02-'03 but who knows. Just glad he's gone!
It took a long time!
God Bless the Military, God Bless the victims & God Bless America.
I think it's awsome that Bin Ladens last vision was the USA Military. Face to face, he knew what hit him.
USA!
Great. Time for everyone to take credit. However, those with their ear to the ground have been close to this guy for a long time. The true hero - the team at the CIA. Same group of people, regardless of which President or Agency head.
Good job, team.
Anything to keep from giving Obama any credit, right Occam?
I love it. They had that ear on the ground for ten years; what does that even mean? Like it or not, Obama got him. Obama appointed Panetta, the CIA head, and Obama authorized hundreds more drone attacks in Pakistan.
Like it or not, Obama got bin Laden in two years when Bush couldn't in eight.
He does not deserve credit! For WHAT?!?? What in the heck has he done?? The answer is NOTHING!
Good job , team??? It took them almost 10 years to find one guy!
Robert.
I am sorry. Everyone gets credit. I try to stay neutral. I am biased here - I am close to the agency that found him. Looking for him was a job, regardless of the President.
who cares who got him, the point is he's dead...
HA HA. Why would Obama get 'credit'?
95% of everything we are doing in Afghanistan TODAY is from what Bush put in place from 2001-2008.
That would be like, 10 years from now if Obama's healthcare kicks in and is awesome, and you give the credit to whoever happens to be president at the time.
If this wasn't a predator drone, explain how this is Obama's doing? Other than getting elected in 2008 and not changing what Bush set in place in the middle east.
Well done all. Time to celebrate as Americans and stop the mudslinging. This is not the time and you look like you hate not having "your" man as President more than you celebrate the end of a horrible life and America's number one enemy. Buck up! Be Americans!
@ Segdirb He has done more than you !!
Job well done, Mr. President!!
Why should the President get credit? Did he collect or analyze the intel? Did he squeeze the trigger? No. It doesn't matter what party is in the White House... the President does not deserve credit for a military operation. The men and women who wear the uniform of our nation, who are out there in harms way day in and day out... the ones who found him, the ones who pulled the trigger... THEY are the ones that deserve credit. Not someone wearing a suit in an office all day.
No thank you US military not obama but regardless we finally got the a hole
The real credit goes to our MILITARY & CIA!!!
Thank a solider! Even Pres Obama said so!!!!
This should bring our country together, not tear us apart by stupid and insignificant party lines!
We as AMERICANS. One Nation, United
ditto
The President did not gather or analyse any of the data or intelligence, he instead listened, and then give the order to go in and get Bin Laden. They would not have been able to do so without that order.
In contrast, when Bin Laden was cornered in Afghanistan, the American Army was ordered to drop back by the then President to allow the Afghan "army" to go in to get him" of course we were all surprised when he disappeared. Then we went into Iraq and the rest is now history.
Note the difference leadership makes? You may not like the President becasue of this race, politics or whatever made up reason you may have but he did a good job regardless. He was in charge. It is funny how some of you people blame him when things go bad but not when things are good. lol
Coloradocane - Obama never said it is his credit. But this is certainly not Bush's credit. Bush invaded Afghanistan but he did not know what the hell he was there for. If he focused on Afghanistan and went after Bin Laden; He could have done this in 2-3 years like Obama (Obama is president for 2 1/2 year).
Of course the real credit are for our fighting men and women, but it took leadership from the president to provide resources for our military and the intelligent services to focus on the important task.
Did any of you listen to the president?? He did not take any credit. Not once did he say he had anything to do with killing Bin Ladin. He gave all the credit to the people in the field the people doing the work. You are becoming stupid with this blind hatred of our first black president.
I know that I will never want to know and could never do the things that the CIA and Military Intelligence do. I try to never tell an expert how to do their job. Bin laden knew as soon as he blew the towers that he was a marked man. He was not an idiot and he also had time to plan. I don't mean the attack, but time to plan his escape.
I am grateful to the men and women of the military and to the civilian workers who worked so hard to catch this man. Giving credit to these people in no way diminishes anything that President Obama has done.
Occam is just plain wrong; it's not the same people.
Obama is Commander-in-Chief: Head of the US Armed Forces.
Leon Panetta is the Head of the CIA.
Obama campaigned on a promise to go into Pakistan to get top Al Qaeda figures. Bush sent us into Iraq and said that he "didn't care where bin Laden was." Obama gave the final order for the assault to kill bin Laden.
Ask yourself this, who would you be blaming if this had been a disaster and our troops had been slaughtered? Who would you be blaming if you found out that Obama knew where bin Laden was, but couldn't kill him?
Obama has taken credit:
"Today at my direction, the United States directed a targeted operation against that compound"
"Tonight I can report to the American people and to the world that the United States has conducted an operation that has killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda."
He also said how he told the head of the CIA that finding Bin Laden would now be his top priority, as if it wasn't beforehand.
Then, you have the phone call from Bush, congratulating American troops and sending his thoughts and prayers out to those affected by 9/11. One of these guys has class, the other one doesn't. Obama needs to go; he didn't "find" Osama, a 10-year long CIA hunt for him did. Obama didn't pull the trigger, didn't drag the body out, didn't do any of the grunt work; he makes it sound like he was the one directly managing the troops. >.< Obama NEEDS TO GO!
Are you really that stupid hurdlebeast? Do you think the military is going to move if ohh, wait a minute, let me think a minute. Got it! Do you suppose they would go in and kill the _hit out of Osama bin Laden ar YOUR direction? Or mine? Would Bush have pulled the trigger or dragged the body out? Obama ain't going nowhere. He is the ELECTED, born in Hawaii, multi-racial president of every citizen in this country. What is wrong with you. Check yourself before you wreck yourself. Ooops too late! Your idiotness - hey Palin's not the only one who can make up words ya know - is on full frontal display.
Hurdle
IDK-
I guess I thought Obama meant that they told him of their plan and he gave the go ahead, not that he was taking credit or came up with the plan. He gave credit to our finest men and women and told us what happened a week ago.
I understand your sentiment, believe me, but regardless, this is a huge win for us as American people. I just wish for once we can forget about all the differences America as a whole has, come together and celebrate that something monumental occurred.
That those that perished on 9/11 did not do so in vain.
Hurdlebeast...he didn't take credit...Why didn't you BOLD...THE UNITED STATES DIRECTED A TARGETED OPERATION. The president said the United Stated not I. He said tonight I can report. Who was reporting. He should have said Tonight Hurdlebeast is reporting and you would have come out. Like it or not The President does REPRESENT and SPEAK for the American people. Your partisan political party mindset is clouding your thinking. Terrorist who attack us don't care about liberal or conservative, democrat or republican, only you care about that. America gets the credit. If we support our troops and government and way of life, we all as the UNITED States deserve credit.
I dunno, I just thought that maybe the wars aren't realistically run by the POTUS, whether that be Bush, Obama, or others. Do you really think they would wait for the red tape to clear before they initiated a strike against the world's most wanted terrorist? Or maybe it was decided before hand that this group take out Osama, no matter what, and report to the President afterwards? The wars, whether in the broadest or single-troop terms, are run by the chain of command within the military; generals, lieutenants, sergeants, etc. Politicians have a broad view of what the goals of the operations are, but they aren't "directing" the troops in any way.
There's a difference between being in the know and actually directing troops. Military officials direct troops; politicians don't.
I agree with Tinkerfarie; he probably knew (and OK'd) a CIA group to take out Osama, but hey, guess what? Bush did too. To take credit for this and say "I directed the attack" is complete bull@!$%#, no matter what POTUS does it.
And what the hells does him being "the ELECTED, born in Hawaii, multi-racial president" have to do with anything? Or Sarah Palin for that matter? Good luck trying to pulling the "U just an ignorant tea-bagger lawls" on me.
I quoted the President, and I disagree with how he said things. He said "I did this, I did that" and did NOT put the focus on the troops (CIA and otherwise) that made this possible. That's what I have issue with, and if you are going to respond please do so in a intelligent manner next time.
@educated fool: You are correct, America gets the credit. But why was his speech so specifically worded so that the word "I" came up so much? There is no other way to say "The United States has conducted an operation that has killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda." Oh, wait, I just did! I found a way! And I didn't put the word "I" in there at all! How hard was that?
Obama put the focus on Pakistan. Many said he was walking a fine line by allowing more drone strikes and covert ops into Pakistan. It looks like it paid off.
Give credit where it's due. If not for Obama, those he chose to lead the agencies/military branches involved, and the covert units, Bin Laden probably woudn't have been killed.
Obama probably deserves a little credit for putting political pressure on Pakistani leaders, to allow us to go in and kill Bin Laden.
Do you think Obama makes us look weak now?
No doubt those who hate Obama, will still refuse to give him any credit.
Hmmm... looks like it was actually Bush who started all that...MSN won't let me post the link, but Bush pushed troops and Predator drones into Pakistan back in Sept. 2008. Google "Bush Pakistan" and check out the first link, from BBC.
But, again, Obama the Great should get all credit.
The troops won this, not a politician. NOT Bush, NOT Obama, but the ground troops. Anyone that tries to turn their victory into votes should be kicked out of office, IMO.
I'm peacing out, you guys are way too left wing for actual conversation (not all of you, just the ones that can't discuss things in a civil manner).
I apologize for attempting to ruin Obama's victory after his great "struggle" for this nation.
Well thanks for leaving. Smartest thing you said tonight.
Hurdlebeast....people aren't saying President Obama should get ALL the credit just SOME of the credit. Not trying to make you angry, just giving a different point of view. Everything isn't a liberal vs. conservative thing. The leader of any organization or country takes the hit when things go wrong and should get some of the credit when things go right. That is all many people are saying. Bush did start the hunt and also gets credit. There is enough to go around. Just like in sports, coaches get credit when the team wins and fired when they lose.
As an American, I am pleased that the country is one step closer to ending terrorism. I feel the relief of those families who have grieved for their love ones. I understand the chain of command in our country that follows the process for doing their jobs.
All of this is being said to say, give it a break on the negative for just a moment if you can. Be thankful that the families who have suffered have peace. Thank the President, military and the CIA for a job well done. Also realize that President Obama positively mentioned former President Bush in his address though he didn't have to. The Bush call also shows that there are 2 Presidents that who are proud of what the military accomplished...it is hoped you can do the same, hurlebeast, without all of the anger! I will pray for you!
Bush could have had bin Laden sooner, but he decided that Saddam Hussein was more important.
I'll believe it when I see the body, Obama lies too much to be believed.
John Galt- Have some FAITH! Our President had enough trust in his military advisers to make the announcement of the death of bin Laden. HE did not say, "I'll believe it when I see the body." What if he was like you... "the military lies too much, blah blah blah"... The President is accountable for what he says, he's an Harvard Law School attorney remember! My job is done...
Are people really turning this into politics right now? What sick division the left has. You do know that we trampled into a sovereign country to get him. Against many liberals values. It's was years of intelligence and work to find this guy. He had the protection of countries that hate us and bribe us, etc etc.
Moments like this we should be standing together, not blaming people.
What will the common American voter learn about this? Will we learn how to work together, or still entrench ourselves in party politics?
The next monster we need to take down is Big Oil, who is raping us all at the pumps while they hole up in luxury compounds of their own.
i8tnofool.. you come off as one. The answer isn't talking down Big Oil. It is increasing the quantity of oil refineries in the US. No one wants one in their backyard though. This will help increase supply. We need competition. I like green energy, but we have to be smart about it.
We need both, you can't just jump from one to the other without a long and painful transition. That's why we need drilling. We need our own oil and we need to stop being dependent on OPEC. Investors help fuel the problem with lots and lots of investments. Many profits come from investing. Also, think of how many people are employed by the oil companies! Millions are employed in the oil industry.
I am grateful that this chapter closes with Bin Laden demise hiding in plain view. I pray there is no back lash for our troops until the decision to bring them home can be made. I hope that Libya will soon be concluded also so that the war funds can be diverted to our economy
Hurdle
LOL that is how it goes most the time, its sad, You seem level headed and stand your ground, I like that. ;)
I agree 100% that credit should not go to a president, ANY president, unless they themselves were right there on the front lines.
Obama may have made a good call, that great, he did his job.
@Tinker (because you are the only one who has refrained from personally attacking me yet); I can agree that he made a good call. I agree with you too that no president (Bush, Obama, or otherwise) should be able to take credit for this.
I liken the war to a football game. You have the actual players (military, foot soldiers, etc), the coaches (generals), fans (rest of the world), and the team owners (Presidents, dictators, etc). The players play the game; the coaches directly coach the players to the best of their abilities. The owner's job is to try to set up the team with the best players (and best coaches) in order for the team to win games. They don't make the calls directly, but the are in the know of what is going on. It's the difference between the coach saying to the owner "We have a strong run game, so we are going to run the ball more often than not" and the coach telling the players "Ok, we are going to run a slam off the C gap for first down, then a dump pass to the fullback right side for the next play"
The team managers may be aware of what the overall goals are, but are not involved directly in the game playing; that's what the players and coaches are for. What Obama tried to do was say "I called the game-winning Hail Mary play" when in reality it was the special forces' commanders who set up the strike. Obama may have been aware of it, but I can sure as hell tell you he didn't "direct" it.
Thank you, Tink, for at least responding in a dignified manner. Now I'm really going for a while :P
Nice analogy.
The McDonalds on the corner maybe.
While I give the military/intelligence, Obama, and Bush credit (pretty much in that order), I wonder who would have been blamed had this raid gone miserably wrong?
I'll give you one guess!
I hope that the US will not experience a new rash of terrorist attacks because bin Laden will now become a martyr to his followers. While this is good news- it is also scary.
I am in total agreement to your statement, this is the time where we must be more vigilant for our beloved country.
this still good news, but lest not lower our guard from possible future threats that may still be coming to our shores.
I'm in total agreement,Bin Laden isn't the only one that conducted U.S attacks nor will he never be. I'm completely terrified that this is going to get scary!! I'm from NY and unless anyone was there to know just how scary it was to wonder where are they going to attack next will never understand. The world...doesn't matter what color your skin/how tall/short/smart/stupid/how big a balls you have....will always have scum bags!!! OUR COUNTRY NEEDS TO STAND UNITED,UNITED WE STAND/UNITED WE FALL!!!
Yes, this is a perfect time to perform more searches at the airports, tap more phone lines, read all my emails, copy all the data from my cellphone, and anything else that the govt. can think of to do in the name of national security.
rest assured bob-e, theres a file on you. with a mouse click they can see your activity, watch you on your webcam, listen on your michrophone or track you on your GPS device. remember the tales of some day everybody will have a chip implanted in them? didnt feel a thing did u?
Keep an eye on your neighbor and report all suspicious activity to the proper authorities.
Just leave me out of it. :-)
IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!!!!!
Only 1.4 trillion dollars to catch one guy..nice job..go USA (Rolls Eyes)
Mark-1219747 if you think everthing was about one guy. keep your eyes rolling. If possible look at the big picture. One guy, give me a break.
cut of the head---you kow the rest Mark
Mark-
And just how much did 9-11 cost the US in direct and economic losses?
Much more than your paltry $1.4T!!!
Finally!!! Thank God
The Taliban is still crazy.
Donald Trump still wants to see a death certificate.
Give Obama time, it's not easy to make forgeries :) Maybe this time they'll flatten the layers in Photoshop.
LOL - that is all I can say LOL - that is a great response!
Well, played sir. Well played. Ha!
Trump will complain that Obama scheduled this to interrupt Celebrity Apprentice too
long form, of course.
The special force captured Bin Laden body and they do DNA test on it to prove that he is dead. But of cource Donald and the GOP birthers will insist that Obama provide the long form deadth certificate and DNA report and perhaps Bin Laden head for them to touch.
I think someone should go all mafia on La Donald :) and put Osama's head and birth certificate in his bed while he sleeps. Hell, he'd probably be grateful for Osama's hair, get himself a weave.
10 long years... and maybe now, finally, may many who suffered have some peace.
amen to that
thank god,burn in hell bin laden
Not bad President Obama. Two in one week, Trumpy and now Laden.
Watch your News, they say it comes in "Three's". Seriously though, I just hope now, that this conflict may soon be over.
Burn in hell.
This is not a time to be joyful. A death is still a death (wish it could have been differently). Perhaps the killing in his names on both sides can now stop.
Soooooo...
You think any of the Islamowackos will agree with you?
Or do you think it more likely that they'll be screaming for vengeance?
Peace takes 2 sides.
soooooo, are you better than them or just as bad???
I don't know why you think this isn't a time to be joyful the extreme Islamics were thrilled, even dancing in the streets when the towers went down. I say this is a great thing for our country to be joyful of!
again, i ask, are you better than them or just as bad?
oh, boo-hoo stspecialk...
Im better Im American bitch! Suck my long shaft! It's bigger than yours!
stspecialk: You are forgetting this is not merely a man. This is not a troop that fought for his country, put his life on his line. This is not a misguided extremist; this is the @!$%# that murdered 3,000 innocent civilians. He is a mass murderer, and does not deserve ANY respect or even basic civil rights. There are some people lose their basic human rights, and Osama is (or should I say, was) one of them. He'll join the infamous ranks of Hitler and other mass murderers.
If a foreign country invaded and started killing the people what would you do? Would you fight back? And if you did would be labeled terrorist?
the government was behind all this 2001 attacks not bin laden they kjust blames him the government just wanted to make billions of dollars
Javier: Really smart statment " the government just wanted to make billions of dollars". Well for your information The Government is now 14 trillion dollars in debt. Sure worked out didnt it. People like you should just zip up your mouth when so little of importance comes out of it. Does the word puppet mean anything to you.?
the country may have went bankrupt at YOURS and MINE expense, but even if the government went broke, those that have personal investments into the defense contracts, big oil, big pharmaceuticals (opium exports up over 100% after the first year in Afghanistan alone), and now the newly tapped Lithium deposits in Afghanistan......I would say, there are plenty of $$$ signs to interest an inside job by those conspiring at the top. Maybe you are the one jj, who should shut your mouth
Congratulations Mr. President. The first time I've appraised him. It doesn't mean I like his other policies, but the credit goes to him and our military! God Bless the USA!!! And I hope you are feeling weight of all your sins in hell Mr. Bin Laden!
Tom,
We didn't invade Afghanistan until after 9/11. In fact, we helped them in the war against the Soviet Union. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda's beef with the US, stems from ideological hatred of the US having had bases in Saudi Arabia, the site of their religions most holy cities. If we'd attacked SA or defiled their holy sites, then yes, I'd expect them to fight back. Otherwise, it was their perception that we were somehow dishonoring their holy land, which is bunk because SA is one of our closest allies in the region. Al Qaeda is just a group of extremist loons that attacked and murdered innocent people on an unimaginable scale.
thegreatest-3403438 banned, strange anti-Caucasian derail trolling.
Benjamin Carey, who are you talking to? Try addressing other Viners in the future. Makes it easier. You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Tyler is a liberal puke....code of honor?..really? There is no honor in this whole country anymore and I'm supposed to be "honorable"on newsvine? Give me a break!
Leave Tyler alone. He's doing his job. If you don't like it, form your own chat site where you and your kind can do what you do best.
And you sillycat can keep your nose out of it.....BIOTCH!
Ah! Here is another of your kind now!
PanzerNacht banned, parachute of recently suspended R L kraft, also banned. Protip: don't email us telling us you're going to reregister. Don't register multiple accounts.
Yeah. There's plenty of sites with no rules. Here there are. Feel free to be as dishonorable off-Vine as you want.
Eric-1017922, you're suspended for a week for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
PanzerKnacht/RLKraft-
R-E-S-P-E-C-T!!! It's earned. It's a volatile subject but you have to keep your cool.
who et the money the 25 million??
No Pics of body?? its didnt happened.
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Agreed! But watch out though - our current administration is full of tricky individuals - - with the head of trickery sitting right in the Oval Office with all of his abra cadabra and presto's! They will try to pull a fast one and thing they can get away with it!
I have only three words - qualified psychiatric help.
Your delusional wat are u on dude? U should be happy but.....typical republican/teaparty Obama hater!
The OP must want a long form death certificate.
no reason to celebrate, more drama soon to come of this, so be more vigilant.
Just can't stand to give credit when credit is due. George didn't & couldn't do it, but Obama did. I don't need to see a picture to know that Obama and the world wouldn't shout from the roof tops his demise if it wasn't true. Cause' he knows there are skeptics & carnival barkers like you still out there just waiting to kick the president now that they can't get him on his birth certificate. This night does not belong to you sloppy & Seqdirb. Congrats to the Pres. Obama, the US Military and the Pakistani aid and may the families from 9/11 have some peace in the news tonight.
One day GWB was eating in a Spanish restaurant. He tried to get an olive with his fork, but the olive escaped every slippery attempt. Seeing his frustration, the waiter said: "Excuse me, Sir" and he took the fork, stick it to the olive and handed the fork to Bush. And Bush said:
"If I did not make it tired, you would not have caught it."
woah woah woah, before you say something bad about republicans Joseph, get to know one. I am happy that Obama made the announcement last night, and i congratulate him!!!! I am happy that this horrible man has been brought to justice, and im generally against capital punishment, but this is a time to celebrate and be joyous!!!!! Our president did good, he did!! but dont bash repubs bc of a few, i dont bash dems bc of a few crazies!!! lets just use this time to celebrate and be happy that bin Laden is finally deceased!!!!!!!!!!
have anyone seen the body yet?? and since he was caught in pakistan the pakistan government have alot of unanswered questions
You gotta admire Sloppy for not getting tired of being ignorant. A lesser man would get some smarts. Not Sloppy, though! Keep it stupid!
Yay!