Interesting! Now the accused is a diplomat?

It would seem, all the US ambassador would have to do is prove this to be a fact, and he would be released, into the ambassadors control.

Everyone had best consider that the Pakistani government doesn't want to look like a pawn of a American government to its population, and has too do what it has done, for the sake of appearance ...

I don't understand why a foreign diplomat needs a special permit to carry a gun in Pakistan, when most of the citizens there carry grenades, AKs, or bomb-belts!

Time to recall our diplomats, cut aid to these beggers, and reduce the ISI headquarters to rubble.

It seems like we must do a better PR job, most people would have to have some appreciation for all the aid the United States is supplying to the Pakistani people.

Tunisia has fallen, Egypt will fall. The spread of the "Islamist".

Considering how much money Iran is spending in Pakistan, and the timing, I would imagine that this poor guy will sit in a cell for a bit as hes "pawned" by these factions.

Islamic piracy is up 500% since 2006. Islamic theocracies are popping up in Northern Africa, Asia, and groups are appearing in South America.

If you people think this is bad wait until the disillusioned people of Mexico, Venezuela, Colombia, and Brazil turn to Islam after getting angry at "socialism".

Capitalism obviously isnt a pleasant choice. Who wants to live in a corporate controlled monarchy(oligarchy)? It isnt working out to well for us.

Do we want to cut the deficit? No problem.

Tell Pakistan that we will pull all of our troops out of the middle east but they have to turn the envoy immediately over to our forces.

Then just sit back and wait 5 years, guard our borders well, and wait for these nutjob "Islamists" to hit Russia, or China again...

They dont have our media to hinder their troops.

"by a police officer assigned to guard him had alarmed many in Washington"

So alarmed the diplomats dont need body guards.... aka were not alarmed at all.

That guy does look like a "rambo".

Maybe a Mitch Rapp type. SpecOps.

This guy was detained two years ago trying to enter a military area with sophisticated weapons. We're obviously working a lot in pakistan under the rader and this guy seems to be more than 'administrative and technical staff'. That being said, pakistan wont dare prosecute him so this show is for the benefit of the public there. So lets not get overexcited about it, im sure hes safe

He only shot two of them?

Notice that in Islamic countries if an outsider is violent even in self defence, it is the worst crime possible.

If Islam commits violence and murders hundreds of people, it is a very good thing indeed.

getalifevirginia: You are right.

Pakistan is alive due to the US economic and military aids. Or else it would have been many other nearby "stans."

We should demand embassy official's release as agreeing to work in Pakistan itself is a big deal!

How many are willing to work there? Every Paki is stealing, looting, raping, kidnapping or killing the other one!

Even the Pakis in our nations, who are supporting Islamic radicals and terrorists, are not leaving. Instead, more are trying to sneak in by different ways!

american today your ignorance is showing so set back and have another cup of coffee

Does diplomatic immunity cover only the diplomat or anyone else placed under its cloak?

Ok bopdaddytoo,

Why don't you ponder this for awhile. I was over in the middle-east a total of 20 months. I was in Bahrain.

Me being an American, and if I was driving a car and stopped at a stop legally like I'm supposed to be and a Middle-easterner rear ends me. I am automatically at fault just because that is not my country and if I hadn't been there, that other driver wouldn't have rear ended me.

The Ideals of the people of the middle-east are lopsided. Primarily these ideals reside in the minds of the people ruling the countries. Those that make up the laws and those that enforce them.

I never met a middle-eastern person that wasn't polite and friendly with me and dealt honestly with me. I've seen far more Americans over there being rude and arrogant towards them. We do have a lot of Americans that need a good dose of humble pie.

However, it's the laws and attitudes of the Authorities in the middle-east that screw things up. They are living by laws that were written 1400 years ago.

America-Today-Anthony: You miss a slight detail in your wishful thinking: Pakistan has nuclear capabilities, either for peaceful purposes and otherwise. That's the only reason we're interested in helping them out. Because regardless of what side of the aisle you may be, you don't want nuclear weapons to fall into the hands of religious radicals. Do you think that it would lapse five years before these genius launch a nuclear attack on us if we walk out of Pakistan and leave their nuclear arsenal open to be taken?

If an Iranian or Muslim diplomat, shot and killed 2 robbers in Washington, would you want him to simply get on the next airplane out, or would you want him questioned? Of course we would want him questioned. The reason people don't like Americans is because there is one set of rules "them" and another set of rules for Americans. Do we like it when there is one set of rules for "us" and another set of rules for government workers?

This is a politically motivated prosecution not a valid charge. If the two people that the official shot were both armed it would seem that his use of deadly force was reasonable and necessary to keep from being killed himself. In addition, diplomatic immunity should have precluded the person's arrest or at least resulted in his immediate release once his status was verified, unless the consulate waives immunity, which would be highly unlikely in this case. Normally what would happen is that the official would be declared persona non grata and forced to leave the country. This whole thing sounds like the Pakistani government pandering to the anti-American factions in the country in order to keep them from attacking the government. I would expect the US government to will soon file a formal protest against the detention and charging of the official and that the person will wind up leaving the country. In addition, the US may pay some "restitution" blackmail money to the families as a way of appeasing the Pakistanis, although I hope this does not happen because it will only encourage future prosecutions motivated by money.

Robert Karp: When in Rome...

Let's just flip the storyline around. Pakistani diplomat kills two people in New York who were walking up to his vehicle. The Pakistani diplomat said it was self defense because he thought they were going to rob him. A third citizen was killed when he was accidentally run over by Pakistani aids rushing to the scene to protect the diplomat. The Paikistani diplomat is set to fly back tommorrow to Pakistan because of diplomatic immunity. Americans would be crying out for justice, just like the people in Pakistan want.

Hypocrites!

He looks a bit fit for a diplomat, I would think spy or paramilitary type. Even though, I would imagine he held diplomatic immunity. If not he is probably going to go through a bunch of public non-sense then silently be freed.

Hey Craig,

You conveniently left a couple of very important details out of your hypothetical.

These weren't two people who just happened to be walking up to his car.

The embassy said the man was acting in self-defense when he shot and killed two armed men as they approached his car. It said the men wanted to rob him, something police also have said.

This puts everything into a completely different light. Two innocent pedestrians or two armed robbers.

The Pakistani police agreed that they were armed robbers.

Koldwindblows: Semantics aside, my position is that there shouldn't be diplomatic immunity, period. Let the courts decide if it was self defense or not. If a country uses underhand tactics to set up diplomats, then countries can pull out their embassies. That's my opinion on the matter.

If a Pakistani consulate employee killed two armed men trying to rob/attack him here in the U.S., we would scream for an investigation at the very least. If an American man with a gun permit, killed two men trying to rob/attack him here, he would go to jail (or have to post a bond) until the matter was settled.

I think since the police have agreed that the men were out to rob/attack the American, they should allow him to go back to the embassy until the matter is resolved.

craig - Are you really that naive. What you propose would turn every foreign service employee into a target for use as a pawn in international disagreements. They could be held on trumped up charges to extort all manner of concessions, money, support, etc. by a foreign government. We would only be able to have diplomats in place in countries where w have long standing friendly relationships, which is where we need them the least. If a country feels that their representative really did something wrong and deserves punishment they can either prosecute them when they return home or they can waive the person's immunity and allow their prosecution in the country where they committed the offense. There have been many times where countries have waved diplomatic immunity and allowed their citizens to be prosecuted for major crimes like murder, rape, drug trafficking, etc. Diplomatic immunity belongs to the nation, not the individual, so no individual would think they could use it as a shield to knowingly commit crimes and snub their noses at authorities.

Nice to see that some people get it. It's simply political necessity and reality to hold the guy, for a while. We would do the exact same thing if it happened in America, if only for appearances and to get his statement on the record before he slips out of the country. People here would be going nuts if the guy was just allowed to board a plane and fly home before some kind of investigation was completed.

Let's try to be a little less hypocritical.

Two men trying to rob him and he has time to kill them both without injury to himself, then another vehicle just happens to be there too? He may have had immunity but his job was definitely not a diplomat. Killing two assailants takes training and a second vehicle says he had back up.

i love that video of decoy muslims by the onion. Some ppl here sound like it

Most of the Pakis are used to stealing, raping, kidnapping, begging, blackmailing and killing!

Their posts even in our nations resemble those of onion stealers of Pakistan! Of course, they are better than rapists and killers of Pak!

Being paki isnt a crime. Being muslim isnt a crime. Being black isnt a crime. Being Hispanic isnt a crime.

And im not paki, and this isnt only 'your' nation just because you disagree with me.

That being said, the reports are saying that the two men were shot in the back so this matter might get dragged on for a bit

Jonathan = Krishna Kumar lol

Apparently pakistanis broke away from your country and its sad that nearly 50 years later you're sitting here acting like a white man, accusing an american of being paki and referring to yourself as an american and 'our nation' while pakistan bashing everywhere. No nation is inherently bad, and while pakistan comes damn close, india is essentially the same thing

This is why our army is having problems. This incestuous relationship between pakistan and india is only making matters worse for us.

Dani: Because of you Pakis, our air travels and living have become difficult in the US. Most mistake us for Pakis.

You Pakis are behind most of the terrorist attacks in the US, Britain, European nations.

Your Retd Air Vice Marshal's son was involved in planning terrorist attacks right in the US. In London tube bombings, your origin is there.

You people since 47 have been looting, raping, hating, killings and then try to swamp the US, Britain, European nations and trying to fools us. What are your contributions in the US, Britain or to any nation in the world.

You people are liabilities all over the world.

About a white man, well, well, I have a close connection. I have to worry about his interests too!

People have some shame, some values and morals and you Pakis have none of them! You Pakis depending upon circumstances wear different labels, wear different robes and do Ramadan style soap operas!

Just because someone disagrees with you, theyre not paki. Also, being paki is not a crime, you racist fool.

I am not paki :) You, Mr. Kumar, is the one parading with the name Johnathan, not me.

Thank you, come again

Being a Paki is a suspect of links to Islamic radicals and terrorists!

You Dani is a Muslim Trojan horse trying to fool us just like the Paki retd Air Vice Marshal's son involved in Time Square bombing effort!

You are not only idiot but fit to be in a mental hospital in some Muslim nation! Even in our mental hospitals, you will be a liability!

? you need help

You Dani is a Muslim Trojan horse

are you sure that English is your primary language?

danwill: I wrote two books in the US published by a famous US publisher!

"You, Dani is a Muslim Trojan horse" may be more correct. Anyhow, editor corrected the English when required!

By any chance, are you an English editor?

Dani: It is you and your Muslims, who need help! After destroying Muslim nations, you people have few nations to migrate and do Ramadan style soap operas!

if you say so...

and I invented the internet...

In claims, who can beat Pakis/Muslims?

dude are you serious? Your name is Krishan Kumar and you are a hindu indian with a screen name of 'johnathan'. Yet you have been following me on newsvine acting caucasian and calling me paki because i disagree with what you have to say? If i was paki, i wouldve been honest about it. Your sick hatred and serious inferiority complex is getting out of hand.

Stop questioning my patriotism, especially since You are the outsider. Now go get a life or at least a psychological evaluation

PS. 'you, dani is a muslim trojan horse' is not correct english either. Or true, but it seems like that doesnt matter to you

Dani: It is you, who has made accusations. Only you are getting them back.

Mostly Muslims follow these principles.

They can liberally accuse others and when others give back then they talk big, act big and do Ramadan style soap operas!

Dani is not your name either and it is assumed.

I have guessed your background too!

If I have to get out, before asking me to get out you better get the hell out of the US!

lol if you click your profile, the name krishan kumar shows up. Its not an accusation dumbass.

Youre wrong about mine. The mindless hatred and portraying yourself as a caucasian american while attacking every muslim, every pakistani is sad. No wonder everyone in your region hates indians and no wonder it shattered into pieces. Learn to be more accepting of people. Kinda like I told you to go get a life and you misinterpreted that as me telling you to leave the US.... compared to you guys, we're more accepting here but as long as you dont annoy us and bash others while imitating us

Sorry, I don't believe that those two Pakistanis were common thugs for one minute. Those two were Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists who were out to kidnap that official and probably had plans to cut his head off to teach the "American-Great-Satan-Crusaders" a lesson in humility.

I'm telling you, people, these stupid, blood-thirsty, psychotic, serial killers aren't going to stop until brute force and abject destruction stops them. They're creating a "Flight-or-Fight" response in the governments of the West and, well, there's no place to run. This kind of thing shows how disingenuous their claims of peace and brotherhood are. Sooner or later, their plans to spread Islam in a wave of terror and subjugation will be revealed and, when that happens, the people in Western Nations as well as countries such as China and Russia will respond with all-out war.

Jesus once said: "...those who live by the sword, die by the sword." He was talking about that mystic phenomenon, The Law of Attraction. Like attracts like: they like killing people and enjoy constant death and destruction all around them. It will only be an answer to their prayers when the whole world responds to their savagery by returning their acts in kind.

smallstuff...(#3)...On the one hand you correctly state a problem with the different laws concerning use of deadly force in self defence. Then you do the "Guns don't kill, The NRA kills!"......Was that part sarcasm ??
The NRA calls for uniform "shall issue" carry/conceal, Castle Doctrine (in and out of the home) and for No "Duty to Retreat" when confronted with a clear threat.

This whole nonsense of every country having an Embassy in every other country is so 19th/20th.Century....Thousands of diplomats and 10's of thousands of staff. Can't they all just make a Facebook page and use Twitter ??....Call it "Cloud Diplomacy"
Enough already with all these elitist snobs having Gourmet Dinners nightly on our tax dollars, driven to and fro in limo's, grand luxury dwellings as we decide whether to buy food or gas or medicine....

guns dont kill wackos like u do

Stunned at sunset... two common thugs with a history of robberies on a bike were probably trying to rob the guy considering pakistan is a hell hole and it would be easier for them to get more support if they were terrorist. They just tried to rob the wrong guy.

Brutality has never solved any problem in the world

Mike in Delray

While I can appreciate that diplomats seem so last century, you cannot really get the lay of the land from afar.

and some states have an equal force law. so if your in bed sleepin and you hear someone in house and grab your 45 but the person has a knife and charges you your suppose to drop the gun and get a knife to defend yourself.

Hes not a diplomat. He has a normal passport and is on a visit visa. Plus wth is a 'administrative and technical staff' and why is he driving around the city alone when diplomats always have security there?

Most are assuming that Pakistan is like any other normal nation where some laws work.

Just see the killings done in that nation since 47. One of their top leaders Ms. Benazir Bhutto was blown to pieces with along with more than 100 people. Have the investigators caught and punished any culprits?

How can any one work in such a lawless, failed and rogue nation?

Pakistan should release the embassy official right away without any more excuses or else just freeze the assets of some key people as a first step!

smallstuff:

Remember the old axiom, "Guns don't kill, The NRA kills!"

If the American didn't have a gun, he'd probably be dead.

I think all american citizens should be able to carry guns in pakistan. Even those of pakistani origin, because they get in trouble because of their american birth or citizenship.

simpleton economist...It's stuff like this I'm talking about....Diplomats living like Royalty....we abandoned the King thing concept centuries ago....

http://france.usembassy.gov/residence.html

i believe illinois and new york are about the only ones to not allow you to defend your own home. and diplomatic immunity is stupid. it simply allows countries to send spies who cannot be detained for any reason. as for pakistan, probably any islamic country would allow self defense only if the victim is an infidel. infidel killing a muslim is a big no-no

The guy looks more like CIA than embassy staff. I'll say it again--withdraw for all countries and bring home the embassy staff with the troops.

When Pakis want guns in their Pakistan, then imagine the fate of a white American!

After a few years, even guns may not be sufficient. Pakis may need full armored protection against bomb blasts like their burka/niqab with only eyes showing up!

By the by, Sharia Law protects girls and women and in 21st century men too!

he killed in self defense read the article! if your getting raped or robbed you should be able to defend yourself. unless your an american in a corrupt country i suppose.

Then they are sent home to be tried, but this is not the case here , as stated by their own police

It must be comforting to be so naive, guest. If he killed in self-defense, international law should find him innocent.

And when these diplomats commit rape, are they raping in self-defense, too? Let them face the law, as other people must. No one should be above the law.

Maybe you should go back to your country then MORON

if internationall law could get to him im sure they would find him innocent however this country wouldnt even allow him legal counsel what justice is that?

If this is a dog and pony show for the locals, let the dude cool off in a safe secure portion of their jail. They got to show some bluster to keep the Islamist in check. If they're serious, tell them to keep the diplomat, lock up a couple in the US for their million dollars worth of fines they got, and git de H3LL out of their and take our money with us. Let the Chi-Coms deal with them. We have been supporting Pakistan over India way too long!

First diplomatic immunity is only a get-out-of-jail-free in the host country; you're not a diplomat at home in the US and yes, you are placed on leave, subjected to prosecution after PNG (persona-non-grata) from the host country (leaving everything, including pets and possessions behind, by the way, unless the host government decides to give you some time). The immunity must be a blanket coverage per the Vienna Conventions, which all countries that the US has representation in have recognized and agreed to respect and, by the way, use (hence the heinous traffic fine nonpayments) themselves. The reason is that there are laws that diplomats are not AWARE that they are breaking - in some countries a woman without a man is breaking the law and diplomats cannot conduct the business of state under fear of constant arrest, particularly if relations are ... tentative. I pray Mac101 is correct and this turns into a show, then they say that yes, they're playing with the big boys and really are civilized mostly, and PNG him. He will face charges, investigation and prosecution - although probably not for the innocent who the local driver killed en route to the scene. They have drivers for official business, but not to and from work. Can you imagine the outrage the taxpayers would raise to find out that diplomats got picked up and home and driven in to work and on errands? Nope, they have to go home, buy groceries, and go to work like the rest of the world (unless they're Ambassador, which is different, that's an identified target). More here than meets the eye, naturally. But of course, the media wants it sexy and dramatic - that sells.

Oh, and diplomatic immunity was put in place initially to protect diplomats who were in foreign countries when their countries went to war (wouldn't do to have them immediately arrested or killed) and also, to avoid situations like this where there is political pressure to make an example for political gain from prosecution.

The title says he is a diplomat, Washington says he is also but when asked "diplomat of what?" - the OFFICIAL answer is

"a member of the administrative and technical staff."

He's not a diplomat - probably a Blackwater or CACI person. Let Pakistan have him. He drove away so fast he killed an an innocent person - if he saw two men with guns, why didn't he drive away - I guess he prefers his chances of shooting them and then running from the scene...story makes NO sense (like Nighthawk).

Let him stay in Pakistan and rot there. Diplomats usually have names - in addition, since the US refuses to belong to the International Court (The Hague) - we don't have the right to call all our mercenaries "diplomats."

Ever heard the expression "Ignorance of the law is no excuse"? If you are a diplomat abroad it is your responsibility to brush up on the laws there before you leave home. If you are not willing to do that you accept the consequences. Same goes for tourists.

Whosaid.

You'd believe in it if your employer (US Gov't) sent you to Pakistan.

Black kettle, i totally agree. This guy was there on a 'visit visa' and not on a diplomatic passport. Seems like hes an Xe too. Regardless, hes gonna be released quietly soon after this fake show is over

In cognito, as an American I take the laws of the U.S. to wherever my foot is! If the locals don't like it too bad. I come from the only country with a constitution and bill of rights, and I will kill anyone who tries to harm it! I know the laws of the U.S. are the ONLY laws that matter to a civilized person!

See the excuses of some Pakis from our nation. They are writing as if their Pakistan has some laws.

Why don't they go back, if their Pakistan is so good?

Some of these Pakis are wasting everyone's time and money in our nation and most are liablities from all angles including security threats.

We should not permit any garbage from Paki rulers. They should release the official right away.

Kick out the relatives of key Pakis in our nation, Britain and European nations. Kick out that killer Gen Mush from Britain as a first step.

The only one who is naive here is "who said" to the complexities of international diplomacy that is. That fact that you would make such a statement proves that! This is a clear case of why diplomatic immunity is necessary! It seems from all accounts the person involved here was merely defending himself and he's in jail??????????????????????

Anything happen's to this guy and there will be hell to pay. We don't need Pakistan and can kick their asses anytime we see fit.

4.13: that's a lot of sarcasm there

So what Bigdee, you gonna make some citizens arrests while in Amsterdam?

You follow the laws of the country you are in or you don't go there. It's as simple as that, altho I get the feeling you probably haven't traveled out of shouting distance from the spot you were born.

And of course he's in jail. He would be in any country (including America) when 3 people are dead, come on, none of you can be that naive. Since it appears that his actions WERE in self defense it's almost guaranteed that he'll be released and removed from the country sometime soon.

@"Black Kettle"

"He drove away so fast he killed an an innocent person"

WRONG. A second car rushing to aid the Americans being robbed killed the pedestrian by accident. Read the article before spouting off.

"- if he saw two men with guns, why didn't he drive away"

Perhaps because there were cars or people in front of him at the time? The second car hit someone trying to reach the first car to help, so the street was probably crowded at the time. You have to think critically.

"- I guess he prefers his chances of shooting them and then running from the scene"

Hey, I probably would have done the same . . . I suppose you would have just sat there and died, huh?

"...story makes NO sense"

Just like your comments.

No tripps I have been around quite a bit, but I am not about to step and fetch for some peon who doesn't think I don't have the same rights as I do in the U.S.! That can and has gotten locals hurt before. I live by the laws of the U.S. not some third world crap hole.

hahaha johnathan, i was wondering why you have such a hard on for pakistanis considering youre cursing them out in candybar threads and egyptian threads too until I saw your profile. Mr. Krisha Kumar has been calling me paki and unamerican and referring to himself as a white american?!?

Pathetic....

Dani: Well, well, my close relation is a white American and I have to gaurd his interests.

You have been acting like a typical Paki Trojan horse, traitor, who lives in a place, enjoys all the benefits of a place, and then tries to enforce Sharia Law, turn a nation into Islamic nation.

You seventh century beasts did it in ME region, Afghanistan region, in India and now in the US.

I thought at least, I will be safe in the US. Because of you people, I can't travel and live peacefully!

Dani: a typical Paki/Muslim traitor in the US confusing all straight forward issues!

lol as ive said before I am not paki. Youre the one acting like a white guy, not me.

I know about your region because ive worked there, and ill leave it at that.

Grow up and try to have civil debates, not curse 1.5 billion people, accuse others of being unamerican when they are and you arent. Its been 50 years since pakistan broke loose, so get over it

Dani: When you write your typical accusations, then you are a Muslim. You are more loyal to Islam and a Muslim nation than the nation you live in!

You people are a bad news wherever you people go and live!

Even commies used to talk about numbers. Look at where they are.

You people are the real culprits for Islam being hijacked by radicals, haters and killers! You people, the moment you open your mouths, only tell lies and no one trusts any more a word of what you people say!

Look at the votes right on my posts here and your posts here and else where! Even the polls all over the world suggest Pakis as being liabilities and Muslims come close next!

You people are a bad news

English is certainly NOT your first language, stop claiming to be an American.

an Indian call-center employee maybe? (it would be understandable, no love lost betwen India and Pakistan)

"yello? mi name is jonathan, ow may eye yelp ewe?"

danwill: I can understand your thinking at your level.

Probably, a call centre employee is the level up to which your seventh century mindset can imagine!

You did not give citizenship status. So don't bother about more complicated issues!

Now I really feel sorry for your "publisher". LOL

Probably, a call centre employee

Definitely Indian, who else would use the British spelling and have such a hard-on for Pakistanis?

sounds like I hit a little too close to home. LOL

what's the matter? is your visa about to expire?

danwill: Look here, don't assume too much.

You are only exhibiting your IQ levels.

Certainly, my publishers have far higher IQs and intelligence levels than yours!

They were not making all sorts of assumptions sitting in a cave with seventh century mindset!

Visa is for types of likes of you! As the time goes by, traitors and Trojan horses will not get visas too. They will be cleaned in stages just like New York!

Visa is for types of likes of you!

as I was saying about your inability to write in English...

cave? seventh century? I'm just noting your poor English skills and your vehemence about claiming that everyone that doesn't march in jackbooted lockstep with your hatred is automatically called a Pakistani.

like I said, the animosity between India and Pakistan is well known and I don't particularly blame you for it, Pakistani psych cases have hit India more than they've hit the US.

BTW, I was born here. maybe we should just kick out all the immigrants, especially those that want to bring their battles here.(as you seem so intent on doing)

danwill: Battles are global: some you export and some you import too! It is liberalization and globalization!

About poor English skills: you don't have to certify it. You worry about your English and it is quite poor! Sometimes, it is hard to understand what you write. For this reason, most the US companies were screaming: many even with school leaving certificate do not have proper reading and writing skills! You belong to this class.

About being born in a place, some Muslims are still loyal to the nation from where their parents came than to the nation they were born! In London tube bombings, many Paki Muslims were born in Britain.

many even with school leaving certificate

I don't even know WTF that is supposed to mean, it certainly isn't English, it's more like "word salad". WTF is a "school leaving certificate"? is your translator bugging out on you?

you also always post late at night (for the US) but it's bright and early in India. time to get on the phone calls again

BTW, I'm also an Atheist. so much for your so-called "seventh-century mindset" theory. it's been blown right out of the water. LOL

I really doubt you have published anything. I call you a liar and an Indian troll. if you are trying to convince anyone that you are a white American, you are failing very badly

not that I care if you come from India, I know some Indian immigrants that are very nice people, and I've met some that are arrogant asses. you certainly fit the latter description.

dani is right, hover the pointer over your fake "jonathan" name and (http://krishnakumar.newsvine.com) shows up in the bar at the bottom of the browser

try it yourself, mine shows up as danwill2, and dani shows up as danishift. so stop trying to deny that you are Indian, it doesn't work

Hes just unstable.... and filled with hatred, just like muslim extremists

like I said, I understand why there is animosity between Indians and Pakistanis, I just don't understand why krishna kumar doesn't come straight out and say it instead of pretending to be a white American.

face it, put a Pakistani and an Indian side by side and wearing similar clothes and you aren't going to be able to tell which is which. maybe we should put a black dot on Krishna's head and he'll see some of the internal problems that India has of its own

Sigh...

OK. With what army? We don;t have additional troops, and folks like yourself are willing to throw other Americans into the meat-grinder of a third protracted conflict without sacrificing yourself as well.

It's a diplomatic incident. Part of the problem is this is a region where the central government in Islamabad has tenuous control at best.

And by the way, how is your "death to Pakistanis" rhetoric any different from their "death to Americans" ranting?

i wasnt being serious i was making up a situation in which their leader would be forced to defend himself where we would then imprison him for it.

obviously it wasnt a real life scenario..

but thank you for the concern considering people were rushing up in arms to act on my words.

Guest:

Invade Pakistan, that's a great idea. Grab yourself a rifle, head on over, and call us to let us know what we'll need. No, no! Call us, and tell us what YOU will need.

Afghanistan and Iraq have been a piece of cake. I'm sure you can handle this alone.

You are one tough hombre. Go get 'em, tiger!

read the comment i just left for the guy above then comment please.

Good post David Walker! .. Armchair Rambos seem to abound these days!

Move the United Nations over there and let them deal with all those diplomats. Good riddance.

so is appeasement an alternate solution ?

gg1947: Yours is a great idea too. It will keep all liabilities busy. Of course, make sure to stop all monies to UN and Pakistan. If we can cut off all supplies, it is still better!

Guest: After checking out whether gg1947's idea works, we need to give a try to your idea too! Nuke all insurgent and nuclear facilities areas right away!

Agreed, but International Law only works when the country in question recognizes it!

Drones away!

........ hmmmmmmm i think Pakistan likes their robbers more than our diplomats .....

on the other hand, I remember us (US) revoking diplomatic immunity for a Russian diplomat in the 90s for killing someone while driving drunk

That's not a fair analogy. The American was defending himself against armed robbers, the Russian was driving drunk.

If the Russian diplomat was defending himself against armed robbers, he should have kept his immunity.

Your analogy fails completely.

does it? both were being stupid, but immunity supposedly protects those with that status from said stupidity.

How was the American in Pakistan being stupid? Seems like he was on official business of some sort and some bad people tried to rob him. How is that even comparable to driving drunk?

it's not self- defense if the robbers are shot in the back.

carrying a concealed weapon in a country with no second-amendment, traveling alone with that weapon.. things aren't adding up

the simple fact is that diplomatic immunity is diplomatic immunity. you either honor it or you don't. and this "we do it when it's convenient" bit is a precedent that we have already set. and it's a bad one. and all of your claims to the contrary is just pointless BS crying that our spit doesn't stink and everyone else's does.

I get tired of the idiocy that we can get away with things in other countries and flaunt their rules and make the claim that others can't do the same here.

"oh, we're just so special and blessed by god. we can do what we want to others" blah blah blah

bullspit

That can be said about a lot of places!

remenber they have nukes

And we don't ? ( Not saying we use them 1st but if attack with them respond in kind)

...... oh sure ...... lets start a nuclear war over a diplomatic incident ....... ya jackwagon

Denverlawyer- They may not have the capabilities to reach America in the regular sense. But would you allow that arsenal to fall into the hands of OBL and his goons? If they could prepare and succeed at attacking us with our own planes, don't you think that they could plan another attack and this time with nuclear weapons? No, the risk is way too much. Even though we don't trust the Pakistanis as they don't trust us, having a good relationship with them will ensure that those weapons will not fall into the hands of any type of lunatic.

Reading your posts is a waste of my time - moments I'll never get back. You seem so gung-ho against the Middle East - why don't you sign up to go over there....oh right, we are trying to do good things over there, you just want to kill, I guess your just not needed anywhere -especially your racist rants.

instead of talking Jeff join the service and go over and fight and see how it is in combat..a combat veteran

@jeff-10000985 fricking moron

Sorry, Gary but Jeff is more comfortable listening to Rush/Glenn/Sean/Bill and all the other cowards who rant, don't do jack and then complain about anything and everything. Thanks for your service.

I am not here to defend Jeff, but from his post you can tell he didn't serve in the military because of...what exactly? His post, like it or not, is about how Obama doesn't present much of a concern to our Middle Eastern friends, or enemies. All of this supposed love for the USA by replacing the evil Bush with the caring Obama seems to have been more fantasy than anything else. And fantasy, when dealing with people who would happily cut your head off, isn't the stuff of good foreign policy.

I don't think Jeff argued for invading Pakistan at all, though that might be his point, just unstated. I think he instead was looking to highlight the distance as a nation we have travelled from Machiavellian teachings. Right or wrong, we will not get this guy from Pakistan for any reason other than the government there will see some benefit--money or power or who knows what--for releasing him. But fear of a powerful America isn't one of their potential motivations.

You may continue with your hatings now. Enjoy.

How about we just continue to follow international law on these types of cases? We shouldn't go after their diplomats illegally, unless it's our goal to end international diplomacy. And we can't apply tariffs on imports without all nations affected by them from being able to apply tariffs to our exports to them as well. Before you say that is a great idea consider that one of the many causes of the great depression was isolationist trade policy. But heck, it's been more than 70 years since that recession so it seems a silly idea to think we should learn from our mistakes then. We are so much smarter now anyhow. Doing the same bad things today wouldn't have the same consequences because we are smarter, better, and care more.

And our motto has been what you say it is before. Carter was a perfect example of this. Woodrow Wilson too. Clinton, a little, but not all the way. None of those episodes worked well for us either. So I agree we should not have as our first goal to be liked by people who deep down hope we can all be killed and our nation destroyed.

@Linda

The only thing we would succeed in doing by forcing imports down is killing off millions of jobs at retailers that sell items from places like China, loading docks, customs check points, and putting even more tension on some of our IR with countries that heavily export to us.

@the article

I agree this is bloody ridiculous. This move by Palestine has no basis in any international law, they even confirmed that the people killed WERE going to rob him.

I do not know the i's and t's of the international laws but I am willing to bet there is a clause some where about property protection, just like there is in the US. If someone robs your house here, even if they are not armed you can shoot and kill them in self defense if you want to.

This just sounds like a farce to stir up more Anti-US sentiments within Palestine to me.

The one killed by the driver of the other car though should be held responsible for his actions if the deceased was a by-stander. No reason to drive over people who are not involved just because an American is getting mugged.

Yeah! We should cut all ties with a nuclear armed nation and let those missles fall unhindered into the hands of Islamic extremeists! Great idea!

And this is what you believe, what you read in an Indian newspaper?

Maybe that should have been considered before hand.

We could pull our troops out of Afghanistan. We're 14 TRILLION in debt and we are wasting our money in both of these hell holes.

We leave and we leave them all with nothing.. We come home and protect our own country.

well its pretty well known that in pakistan they kiddnap americans so its much more probable that an american would need to use self defense in a country surrounded by people that would like nothing better than to see him dead

Why the hell would even the most desperate American thug want to kidnap a camel jockey?

If the Pakistani diplomat was here on legal a legal visa, legitimate, had a pristine record and killed two armed American criminals...I'd be glad that the diplomat did us a favor by removing some of our scum off the street. I'd feel badly (and do feel badly) for the innocent bystander, but who cares about what happens to armed criminals?

well its pretty well known that in pakistan they kiddnap americans

Can you back that up with a link guest-2924958? Pakistan is NOT a hot vacation spot, so which American's are being kidnapped? Fake diplomats, mercenaries, spies? Those people know what they signed up for - so which vacationers were kidnapped in Pakistan?

Yes, and see: 2 March 2006 Karachi.

If the police agreed that it was self defence I would say give him a medal!

Black Kettle, I think you can email Daniel Pearl for a link about kidnappings and murders in Pakistan. Wait, no you can't. He was beheaded in Pakistan after being kidnapped there. As far as it being a frequent occurence, I don't know. But if the threat isn't high then why would diplomats need DSS agents everywhere they go? Maybe they use the same level of security in Japan, or Canada, but I doubt it.

However being a state diplomat he was unable to mix church and state thus he had to just claim self defense. lol

why he did not inform local authorities so he could get protection?

Correction: why he did not inform local authorities so he could get ambushed?

And you don't think that they a well as others have operative operating in the u.s.a. that are given diplomatic status? And are doing the same thing or worst right now and in the past?

Surprisingly, the robbers never shot a bullet but this Self Defender shot 7 bullets, 4 to one and 3 to other one in a crowded street. And they were shot in the back. He was so trained that he never missed a shot. Let the courts decide whether he was acting in self defense. (Yes we do have courts and we do try Govt. officials if they are charged with any thing. Let him prove his innocence.)

Here is something interesting.

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it's quite possible that he acteded in self deffence & he might have diplomatic immunity but one thing is for sure. He is not a diplomat, he is from CIA or XE or Black Water. So he has to pay the price for being exposed.

I agree with you totally WAK-pk - however you are wrong (unfortunately) - the companies like Blackwater, CACI (google CACI rape Iraqi boy), XE - they have blatantly abused innocent people in their assigned country. Some members have been sued by the victims, the companies asked congress if they could receive immunity from war crimes (even though they are all private - FOR PROFIT companies) - guess what, in a total travesty of justice, they were granted immunity, however, I believe that was overturned and now it is a case by case suit by victims .

First 2 links about the abuse and lawsuits, second about how they usually win (there was a vote in Congress to allow immunity but I believe it was overturned because I cannot find the news about it again).

http://ccrjustice.org/ourcases/current-cases/al-shimari-v-caci-et-al

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2010/12/19/5677463-contractors-behaving-badly-mean-headaches-for-us

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/oct2010/blac-o23.shtml

E-Pluribus Nukem!!!

You want to kill millions of civilians in the most brutal fashion imaginable because of the acts of the criminals in the population. Now who's the terrorist.

brianbky

These people are primative animals.

The entire Islamic culture lives like a bunch of two legged cockroaches.

NUKE THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST!!!!

I don't even know what a two legged cockroach stands for - must be a Kentucky thing. You are really showing your ignorance. While I'm not going to waste much time on you - I'll waste a bit. Nuclear weapons are not a joke - deploying them can change weather patterns, crops, etc - not to mention kill millions of innocent people. I just "KNOW" that you do not posses a passport and Kentucky is full of - well it's Kentucky - travel a little, educate yourself instead of being a ranting, racist, redneck - you are the one who acts with less intelligence than any animal.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

Keep the 75 virgins and just give me one old broad who knows what she's doing.

Uh, most of them are older than England, let alone the USA. Why exactly do you think they owe anything to us?

Heck the only ones we ever had a hand in creating are usually the worst, like Iran, Afghanistan (now AND then with the Taliban, gosh we don't know when to quit))Iraq (both now and with our previous support of Saddam Hussein).