Stellar007, I believe some time last week Capt. Kelly asked NASA to name a backup, which they did. I would imagine a lot will depend on how well she is doing by the time of the mission. Her mother might be able to help enough with her rehab that he can go ahead with the mission.
It's scheduled for Apr. 19, 2011 and is a 14 day mission. Rep. Giffords may be able to get by without him and possibly even tell him to go ahead and go by that time. His brother Scott Kelly is currently on the Space Station and looks just like him, oops just checked they are twins.
Her Government Health care seems to be serving her quite well. I hope she makes a full recovery and gets back to congress. Her story should shut people up who fear the term "Death Panels" and "Government Takeover". If this is government health care, I'd be glad to enroll in that plan!
Was going to contradict you but have thought the better of it. You obviously have chosen to believe the lies of the lunatic right. Nothing anything I can say to you will change your mind. However, if you have a pre exisitng condition or a college age child, and your insurance company decides to dump you or deny coverage, under the hcr, they cannot. In my mind, care of the people is more important than the profits of the health care industry. Oh yes, and please consider this: under this plan, most of your dollar must be used to provide insurance - not dividends to stockholders. Just a thought.
Yes Ray, please tell us about what you think is a lie.
Mark Kelly is a space shuttle commander. Maybe the space shuttle doesn't really exist? Of course, you'd have a hard time convincing most of the world (including me - I was there to see it go up once). Mark Kelly is probably more of an American hero than any of the Naysayers commenting on here.
Why no pictures of what? Of Rep. Giffords in the hospital, on a ventilator with part of her skull removed?
I can only think that Ray believes that Rep. Giffords wasn't actually shot. Or maybe he believes she actually did die, as initially reported by the media.
Whichever, these theories are utterly ludicrous. If this isn't what you're saying, then please clarify, Ray.
bicfj ......just exactly how are you gonna stop the criminals from getting guns? by passing your [gun] control laws......all you are doing is stopping the people who would not do terrible things with guns from getting them......you know honest citizens.....do you honestly think that crime will drop and the murder rate will drop because guns are outlawed? these laws might make you feel warm and fuzzy but they WILL NOT stop gun violence, there are gun control laws out the wahzoo and they do not work.....according to your post GUN violence is the only kind of violence.......we do not need guns to kill each other........how about this info....if NCIS had been informed that this guy was crackers......he would not have been able to buy the gun legally , since there were too many people along with the pima county sherrifs department that had this info and did not bother to tell anyone, maybe you need to get a petition together and ban incompetence .........or the nut job could have just built a bomb........doesn't matter once their minds are made up, criminals will kill, ways and means are only part of their mind set......but yes ban all the guns and your little nation of utopia, peace ,love, and bobby sherman will last forever.......or the criminals will just keep getting guns illegally.....wait ...they do that already........or they could just use , bats , knives, cars, poison, 2x4's ,plastic bags, garrotes, chainsaws, cement blocks, etc......your gonna need to ban all of these too......looks like your gonna be busy........and since you gave up your guns you will embrace the government tacking over your life...and you will cease to be free.......i do not want to live in your screwed up bubble.......
Sorry, but the American heroes are the 2 husbands that shielded their wives at the expense of losing their lives so their wives could live. Yes, I hope Gabby recovers as completely as she can, but let's not forget that 6 people lost their lives in this shooting including a 9 year old girl. Gabby stands a shot at recovery. The 6 that died are simply gone. Mark Kelly isn't doing anything more than any other husband would do----stand beside and support his wife. There's nothing heroic about that. That would be expected. For those of us old enough to remember, there was JFK, RFK, and MLK. Were they heroes?
yes you are right about that.....and do not forget the 60 plus lady hero that grabbed the magazine out of the scrotes hand, she is one brass balls lady....now they need to take the shooter peel him roll him in salt and hang him..that is what he deserves no more no less.
Sorry, I did forget about her. As for the shooter, if this were the middle east or China, he'd have been tried at breakfast and executed at dinner. He may, because of this case's notoriety, get a death sentence. No doubt, he is a sick man, but I don't know AZ law. Also, let's throw in the 2 that tackled him.
Mark Kelly isn't doing anything more than any other husband would do----stand beside and support his wife.
There were many brave people present that day. And Mark Kelly is an astronaut, one of the most highly trained and bravest set of people on earth. He may not be a hero in your book, but there are not many men and women with more courage than our astronaut corp.
flbikerchick, Your point is well taken, but that has nothing to do with the events of that day or what he is doing now. If you consider an astronaut a hero, OK by me. Personally, I feel a soldier going into combat requires more bravery than someone going into space. How many people have died on a battlefield? How many people have died in space? Nobody is shooting at you up there.
well as far as astronauts that fly in the space shuttle, that is built to the lowest, bidder......and has a tendency to explode going up, and explode coming down, and once you hit atmosphere you are dead sticking and you are either gonna land or crash....yeah i would say they have balls......
Ray, you seem obsessed with seeing pictures of Rep. Giffords in the hospital. Do you seriously think the media is allowed in ICU? Or that her caregivers would release photos of her in her current condition? How many other gravely wounded victims have had photos published to satisfy some people's morbid curiousity?
Didn't you see the photo of her being taken away from the scene of the shooting on a gurney, surrounded by EMTs and covered in blood? No published photos of her since that terrible event doesn't mean there's a conspiracy; it just means she's being accorded privacy, as cookykamp suggests. Why do you think Rep. Giffords doesn't deserve that courtesy?
Ms Palin it looks like the very same congresswoman who pointed you out is recovering well. I hope she has a chance to meet you face to face and let you know exactly how she feels.
Now THAT would make me actually not change the channel when Palin's face comes on. I would love to hear her play the victim while face to face with Ms. Giffords. It might open a lot of currently closed eyes to Half-Term Palin's lack of leadership skills.
Why is this woman a hero. Whose life did she save. She was shot blindly in the hwad by an idiot that was trying to shoot her in the head. That makes one a hero. Neither is her husband. He has spent 12 days sitting by her side. That makes him a good husband and one should expect him to do no less. Being shot or blownup in a bldg. might make one a martyr but certainly not a hero.
I was wondering if the shooter shaved his head so he would resemble Captain Kelly. The shooter may have thought he could get closer by looking like her husband or he may have taken his obsession of her differently than what is being speculated about. He first "met" Rep. Giffords in 2007. Was that before or after she got married? Maybe this boils down to his feeling she rejected him by getting married? Who knows what goes on in the mind of a madman?
Either way, there is one very BIG difference in their looks. It's in the eyes. The shooter's are blanks, Capt. Kelly's are warm and open.
Karen, what difference is it to you if he takes pride in how he dresses. My father, who immigrated to the USA in 1954 from Italy after marrying my mother, and who was raised growing grapes in a vinyard for wine, always wore a suit.
He wore a suit jacket and dress slacks to work as a meat cutter for 50 years. He took off his jacket and placed on his meat apron to work, but that suit jacket went back on for breaks, and to and from work.
He always wore his dress suits to church ... no jeans and sweats to disrespect God. Sunday best meant exactly that, dressing your best out of respect. Not throwing on yesterday's sweat shirt and those work jeans.
Just running to the conner store, my father wore his shirt and jacket. My father always wore dress slacks ... no jeans or "work pants" ... and that is true of anyone WHO CARES HOW THEY PRESENT THEMSELVES in this society. Not only has our society been "dumbed down", it has been 'trashed down" by people who no longer take pride in how they dress or appear in society.
My father loves his suit jackets, my mother loved her dresses and hats ... and on occasion wore fancy dress gloves for those extra special occasions.
My parents worked hard, lived well and took pride in all they did ... including how they dressed.
The dr last night indicated she was not able to write normally with her right hand. So there may be a bit of hemiplegia(at least temporary). As it is, some shunt malfunction patients struggle with mild aphasia for 4-6 months after surgery, so I dont think she is doing poorly at all, for being shot in the brain. He just doesnt want to push her too far. She could have fainting spells or seizures if he does.
I wish nothing but the best for Rep Giffords. She did nothing to deserve what happened to her.
One aspect of this that merits some level of attention is the health insurance program that is available to her. She is in the Federal Employees Health Benefit program as are most Congresmen. From what I can gather, she chose the Fee-For-Service Blue Cross coverage. Because of her age, I would be pretty sure that she did not take the Long Term Care insurance that is available to federal employees.
That said, I would be curious to find out how much of her rehab the insurance will pay for. Will Workmens' Comp kick in because she was injured while on official business? Does she have any coverage as a family member of an active-duty service member?
Most people have bought into the Limbaugh/Fox lies about Congressional health care. All federal employees select from a group of available plans, just like any major corporation. The FEHB does have slightly better premiums, but only because the federal government is such a large employer that they have more bargaining power, but it by no means free or in any way different from what a janitor in a federal building might pay.
Health insurance is notoriously weak in at least three areas that will effect her --- cosmetic surgery to repair the disfigurement, long-term rehabilitation services, and mental health services that might be required if there is brain damage in certain areas. Since she has pretty comparable coverage to what a worker in, say a major bank, might have, it would be interesting and pertinent to the current health care bill discussions, to see at least some details of her health insurance coverage and what might be anticipated in terms of unpaid medical bills.
I may write to her office and suggest that it might be useful for her husband or her staff to go through the whole thing for the public --- how much she pays in premiums, what coverage she has, and what might not be covered. There have been so many lies told about the "unlimited free" coverage that Congressmen get for free. Here is a link to what would have been available to her as an Arizona resident:
Guy you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Government folk get the Cadillac plan!
You must work for a branch of the Government, so you really have NO CLUE what it's like to have regular "servant" insurance. Not only that, Government folk get paid better, and they get screwed around less.
Most of us "Regular" people aren't buying your smoke screen Chris! Had this happened to a "Regular Joe", I doubt the outcome would have been the same.
Cadillac Plan? Is that a term Rush uses? Another lie he throws out to the sheep who believe his every word? BTW? Wouldn't you agree that Congressmen and women don't exactly have the best job security? How would you like your co-workers to vote on whether your employment will continue? How about they spew out any lies and distortions they see fit to get you fired? I surely hope that Rep. Giffords and all Americans are covered for whatever medical problems befall them. You believe you have choice in medical coverage? Guess again. The Insurance Companies are the ones making the decisions on what coverage you get. That must change. Call it socialized healthcare or call it Rainbows and ponies healthcare, I don't care. I just want to know that the real Death Panels, the Insurance Companies, are taken out of the equation.
K-Dawg you must have a hole in your head if you think I listen to Rush.
With regards to job security... Well it's just like any other job, if you can't do the job you get fired. Why the heck would I feel ONE BIT BAD about something that applies to everyone? I can't say that the quality of insurance given to people in congress applies to everyone and thus the reason I responded the way I did. Don't worry Obama and the Democrats are going to get fired in 2012 for ramming that flawed health care bill down our throats, so suck it up buddy!
Slavery was the law of the land at one time too K-Dawg! Lucky for you bad laws get changed or repealed.
The House just voted to have it repealed, and your "Law of the land" does not take effect until 2014. Your boy Obama might get voted out of office in 2012 along with all the people in the Senate who are ignorant enough to commit political suicide for the 2nd time. Lest we forget 27 states are suing in Federal court because many feel the mandate is unconstitutional.
My wife is a charge nurse in a clinic at a Texas Department of Criminal Justice Unit "the pen". It is a phsyciatric unit including a 200 bed, or so, critical care hospital. The inmates have a "Cadillac" plan. Cardiac, Dialysis, Urology, Optical, Dental, Hip Replacement, Physical Therapy, Neurology, you name it, except for Viagra, they get it.
You forgot something - Mr. Giffords ALSO works for the government and has a health care plan. As a married couple, each is eligible for coverage on the other's plan.
Whatever isn't covered by her plan will be picked up by his plan. Both of them have the very best plans availble anywhere in this country but CONGRESS HAS THE BEST POSSIBLE COVERAGE FOR THEMSELVES. I'm certain her plan alone would cover all the treatment she will receive.
If they were "normal" government workers instead of superstars, the insurance would still cover all the expenses and neither would be responsible for out-of-pocket expenses.
Interesting information but Mark is active military so I'm sure they could be using his benefits rather than what is available through the Fed's or a combination of both.
Heroic? Probably a good description. She showed up time after time to meet people in her district even though she had received numerous death threats. She had also complained both in public and in private about being targeted by Palin etc. She had expressed a fear that she could be shot. When she was shot in the head I think just about everybody figured she was dead. But alas, she survived. Not only survived but is progressing beyond wildest expectations. In this dark tragedy she has become the one glimmer of hope. She is certainly not the only hero but her will to survive has been nothing short of heroic.
In addition to being a "public figure," she's a person who has worked tirelessly for her constituents, and who continued to hold public meetings in spite of many death threats. The attack on her was the first attempted assasination of a member of congress in decades.
Take your pick of any of the above reasons why we're hearing about "this one victim." Frankly, as one of her constituents, I want to read as much as possible about her situation, especially when it's good news!
KDAWG, do you seriously believe that Palin "targeted" Giffords, as in "targeted her for death"????? Giffords was "targeted", be defeated by a Republican in the recent election. "In the crosshairs", "targeted", and so forth have LONG been used in political rhetoric, AND by BOTH parties; I repeat: BOTH parties...As far as "heroic", I believe her recovery efforts are "heroic" because her wounding was catastrophic, and usually fatal in similar cases. May God bless her & her family on her road to recovery. May she have a full recovery, and get back to her home in Tucson soon.
TURNIPTRUCK, I don't believe she targeted Giffords for death but I do believe that Palin's attempts to be cutesy and give a little wink- wink to conservatives may have backfired on her. It was a case of "you bought it, you own it" IMO. I don't believe that Palin really expected anyone to shoot any of those cross-haired politicians but she really should measure her words and actions in the future.
18 people shot, 6 people dead and the only thing we haven't been told is whether Giffords made a 'doodle' today. I guess the 6 dead are just cannonfodder because they're not a hero representative.
Typical teabagger response. You people always have to be on the attack. Even when one of your victims is showing signs of recovering from an assassination attempt, you need to find something to go on the offensive about.
Toasty, Please refrain from the teabagger remark, it is tea party and I am one as well as highly conservative, I wish Congresswoman Giffords many prayers for a complete recovery and a long life. As you know the tea party and GOP are not responsible for this lunatic. There is no link at all to any political party.
toasty.......that is exactly what you are doing.......to even make a political statement out of this puts you on the spot.......you have no evidence to back up your claim.......just your lousy political opinion......which is just that......
Again, people are shot & murdered everyday in this country. She is just another statistic. Thanks to the easy access of guns. Thank you to you rich lobbyists who is helping your friends of the NRA. Politics & Religion = billions. Why don't the news talk more about priests who molest kids. They only mentioned a few times of how the Vatican settled lawsuits for millions and that's it. The rest is swept under the carpet.
I am quite amazed with her recovery, inspired even!
She sure was a hotty back in 1988, she had that 80's look down pat in that school photo with the short hair! Reminds me of that chick from the movie "Just one of the guys", oh how I miss the 80's!
I only hope that the kind of medical care she was given can be afforded to ALL AMERICANS... Rich, poor, and middle class. Some how I don't feel that's the case, nor do I feel the health care bill she supported would offer that same level of service. Extending health care to all is not the same as PROVIDING HEALTH CARE TO ALL, I think many people don't understand the diffrence. There is a way to ensure that ALL AMERICANS have good insurance, but our elected officials just aren't working hard enough to make it so!
Which is why we should approach these reports with a healthy dose of skepticism. Politicians (or in this case, their handlers) think they must pretend to be superhuman in order to avoid some kind of crisis of confidence that they seem to think will take hold of the American public. Roosevelt pretending he wasn't crippled from polio, like my dad and everyone else who had it. JFK pretending he was not in and out of the hospital with an auto-immune disorder. Dick Cheney going into hiding instead of admitting he needed time to recover from heart attacks. You notice, her husband is the only one reporting these amazing strides. The doctors keep couching his claims.
Depends what they mean by scrolling. My son has severe autism and is classified as low-functioning. His intellect is there, but he can't tie his shoes or get himself to the bathroom on time. At almost 27 years old, he has never uttered a word. He can only type with support. But he can scroll his ipad. He's a wonderful person and makes tiny bits of progress all the time, but would probably not get elected to Congress.
Health care like that would not be available to all or how else can the filthy rich justified that they need a guest house with 18 bedrooms. Hearts castle, San Simeon,Ca. and that was back in the 1920's. It didn't hurt Mr. Hearst that his family was already rich. We just share a country with the rich. It's ok if a shooting occurs in the poor neighborhood. It is accepted. but when a rich person or a famous person gets shot; it is now news.
i totally agree that the rich or the known such as in this case are adornned with the best of care. i have a frontal global mass brain injury which i have had to struggle with daily, at my accident i had a glasgow reading of 3- no re- hab, if i were shot by an assassin would i still be in the shape i am now? why doesn't someone in power help us who don't have a name?
Not the most elegant language but I'm afraid I agree. If you or I get a brain injury, we do not get to cherry-pick from the best rehab facilities in the country. We go where our insurance company tells us to go, and if we don't have insurance, we may not go at all.
Not trying to be crass or heartless, but I am tired of hearing about this story. Did any of you know there were 6 people killed in Baltimore the same day, one being a police officer? They got all of 30 seconds on the tv and radio news and a one paragraph writeup in the papers.
Sorry this happened to her adn the others, but this story should have been over within 2 days after the shooting. I don't mind an occasional byline showing her progress, but this story has been completely over blown.
She was a Congresswoman. That makes it a National interest story. Along with the fact that the phucktard Sarah Palin made her a target for the loony guntoting inbred trailertrash republicans, we need to keep it in the National limelight.
Hmm. Interesting. All you liberals have been spouting since this story broke is how the hatred and vitriol spewed by republicans caused this. Yet here you are spewing your hatred and vitriol!
Guess it's a two way street. Maybe YOUR hatred and vitriol caused this!
I know, Palin went out and bought the gun and bullets, met with him in a back alley, and directed him to go shoot the congresswoman in the head and make sure he shot as many people as possible!
Why can't you and the rest of your ilk just admit, there are some seriously metally ill people in this world that kill for no reason. Not everything has to be a conspiracy.
Of course the shooter was mentally unbalanced. And this is what happens when you throw someone like that into an atmosphere of violence. An atmosphere fomented solely by the far right.
You know, it's okay for you tea partiers to just admit that your calls to violence were responsible and vow to change the dialog. It's okay to admit you were wrong. You don't have to attack every time.
the guy was mentally unstable, that part is obvious. he was vulnerable, susseptible, which leads to easily being manipulated.
the rhetoric played into his beliefs which led him to take action.
if words do not incite and direct people to do things, then tell me why Charles Manson is in prison, he did not kill anyone, he was never at Roman Polanski's residence, he never shot Sharon Tate, or their next door neighbors.
Rod-Father- Actually it has been reported in the news the shooter was a pothead and using another hallucenogenic drug as well. His behavior, shooting anyone in sight indicates quite clearly he was a Hinckley type. The acts were those of a mad man not a political assassin. Hinckley it was reported first stalked President Carter but could not get close enough, but when Reagan got in he was able to get close enough. Blaming other politicians is wrong, many politicians including Obama used similar metaphors. Obama said if they bring a knife to a fight, I will bring a gun. That comment was just a figure of speech. Really if the Congresswoman was not at the rally that day and someone else was, the shooter would still have come and started shooting. It was his moment.
The gun-knife statement was rhetoric. The calls to violence from the far right are LITERAL. There's a very important difference. And THAT is why they are responsible.
toasty you can't be serious, so when the left says something inflammatory, it is well, it's just taken out of context, he/she did not really mean that......but if the right says something inflammatory , yes they are plotting the overthrow of the government,......yes it is palins fault.....oh yes .....she must ......tell the world how guilty she is for slinging mud in politics......listen twinkie boy, all she did when asked to run with Mc Cain was say yes......the left has been slinging their hate and violent intentions toward her ever since, and just keep at it. there are plenty of lib,s that own guns and attended the tea parties , they are very interested in improving things.......unlike you, your just making it worse........let us not blame the guy responsible, oh no, there has to be some influence that caused him to do this, that is where we need to start...oh yes......pick something right? just anything......will do.....no sense blaming the guy that did it, hell that would be too easy.......you are lost in space...
Sorry, toasty, but both sides are guilty. What remains to be seen is which side will change their tune, approach our problems with maturity and dignity, and exhibit some real leadership. My money is on anyone but the Republicans and Democrats.
I have no problem with angry and inflammatory speech. You guys can call the president an America-hating socialist till the cows come home. Because that's rhetoric, not literal. But the second you say something along the lines of:
"Don't retreat, reload!"
- Sarah Palin, former Governor of Alaska
"If this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies."
- Sharron Angle, former member of the Nevada State Assembly
"If ballots don't work, bullets will."
- Joyce Kaufman, Radio host, Tea Party activist
"Let me tell you what you've got to do. You've got to make the fellow scared to come out of his house. That's the only way that you're going to win. That's the only way you're going to get these people's attention."
- Congressman Allen West
"I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous . . . The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
- Currently serving United States Congresswoman from Minnesota Michele Bachmann, leader of the Tea Party Caucus, paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson
That's when people start getting killed, and this has come EXCLUSIVELY from the far right.
yeah toasty bla bla bla........none of these things had jack all to do with the shooter in tuscon.......you know that , what about obamas they bring a knife we bring a gun.....that does not incite? nothing like that comes from the left? you know damn good and well that this guy was just plain crazy.....since he was a well known mental case why wasn't that info passed on to NCIS? this guy did not even read the stuff you are talking about... so what ever the left says is just okay?.......you and the rest of the left are the ones turning this into a political outhouse ....from the word go.......there is is no evidence coming from the shooter where he said .......yeah all those bad things the right has been saying made me do this......he is not cooperating with the feds.......until you hear this guy say this for a fact......all you have is some things people said.......that's it....hearsay......you and way too many left minded people are going on what you feel and not the real facts.......just because he reads mein kamphf , and the communist manifesto, does not make him a nazi or a communist........when you have some real facts that have the man admitting that the right caused him to do what he did.... then print it. news flash genus.....people are getting killed every day , and it has absolutely nothing to do with this.......so where is your political opinion on that? murder rape, robbery, maybe you could tell the cops what caused those people to do those murders......they could use the help......
you do not even know what that means do you? look it up, Jefferson that is, and understand the meaning......when the people are armed the government fears the people, that is , it makes it real hard to oppress and enslave them, it holds true now just like it did in 1776....you need to come to the conclusion that freedom is not free......and it has it's price......and that there will always be those who will plot to take your freedom away from you.......always has always will.......an armed society is a polite society.......if you are not willing to fight to protect your way of life then you do not deserve to have it........opinions won't make any difference......left or right...it is what you do that matters.......
same here......but face it .....there are people in your own country.....that do not have your best interests in mind.......not being an ass......just tired of hearing about how gun control is gonna make everything better......which is a lie straight from the pits of hell.......in order to avoid violence you better be prepared to meet it head on ......socialism is being kicked around by the current administration that is not what's best for America......we have gotten by just fine without it so far......we do not need it......anyone who thinks other wise is kidding themselves......people should be armed and dangerous then they will be left alone..........criminals prey on th weak.......
Really Government folks get the Cadillac plan?? In my twenty plus years with the federal government I have not seen this plan. I have seen my health insurance coverage decrease and it wasn't that great to begin with.
And I would be happy to show you the run around I have had with the insurance companies. My coworker had to have a c section to save her child and the insurance company would not pay for it as they said it was not an "essential" surgery. So Stellar, before you make comments like the ones you made be prepared to back up the statements. and by the way the congress folks get the same plans as regular government employees.
Laurie, not "government" folks, we're talking the health care received by senators and congressmen and congresswomen, and their families...not "government folks" in general...would you equate the health care the military receive to the health care of senators and congress people? If so, you need to do ALOT of reading and understanding the facts....
CONGRESS voted for themselves the BEST POSSIBLE HEALTH COVERAGE.
They are covered for all procedures and they don't have to worry about co-payments. Our Congress voted for themselves the equivalent of universal single payer health care, while they took the same thing "off the table" for us.
NICE! No wonder Congress is now afraid of gun violence. The people are overdue and Congress is aware of the wrongs they've committed, the betrayals of the people they are responsible for.
its called communism-you want that plan move to Russia or Peoples Republic of China.
another week of this tripe. MSNBC had no similar coverage of the Ft Hood shooting by the government poster boy muslim sleeper cell-alley snackbar.
congress has benz/bmw health plan, you peasant sheeple are going to get the rusty can opener type plan.....eh you stupid gringos. by the way serve one term in congress and you get a basic pension and full benz/bmw health care for the rest of your life. nice being elite. not nice being a peasant. I voted for Ross Perot....only guy who knew what was really going on in this corrupt govt.
Turnip truck, I suggest you look up this government health care or actually work in the federal system before you speak up. I have 25 years of federal work experience and have gone through the health care issues.
Gabby is getting the same plans as I do as a federal employee and there is no cadillac plan for congress folks. They get the same as a federal employee. Some plans are better than others, some are not and the fees vary. So unless you have worked in the federal system you are not truly aware of what is done for federal employees.
Mr. Hearst worked hard to earn his money. Maybe if you worked harder and had a more postive attitude you could accomplish something in your life and would not be so jealous.
Hearst was like all the other robber barons. They earned so much because they paid their employees so little. They got away with it til the unions came in, and now a new class of robber barons get away with it by sending all those jobs overseas.
how many jobs did the UAW union lose to the auto industry.......because it was cheaper to use robots......than pay union members the insane wages that the UAW was demanding?.......two way street there...
"Insane wages" is propaganda. How much do their top bosses make? Can you really say they work harder than the ones on the assembly line? It's always been lopsided.
I agree. The full recovery statements are not medically supportable. There is no way you get shot like this and not have some permanent damage. I have never heard doctors talk this confidently. It is almost like the book "1984". They are telling us 2+2=3 today, when a few years ago they would say 2+2=4.
I work on a rehabilitation unit and have seen clear miracles. People that come in with severe hemiplegia (half paralyzed), aphasia (cannot speak or possibly understand), and recover so that it would be hard for someone to even know that they had ever had a disability.
I have also seen time and time again the residual effects of brain injury from trauma and stroke. This will likely be a very long road of recovery and I wish the congress woman well. I will keep hoping for one of those "miracles" I have seen in the past.
so EWS100% are you behind Shrum and the Tea Party enthusiasts who are calling for her to step down after only 12 days? I have never heard such absurd talk. Look at Reagan who was already in the throes of Alzheimer's when he was still president, and Strom Thurmond who was not in his right mind for at least a decade while he was a senator. Even that looney tunes Governor of Arizona called it an indecent thing to even ask her to find someone to replace her.
This is a good example how the mind works, we are all connected. When positive uplifting thoughts are sent, the recipient of those thoughts benefit. The same goes for negative thoughts. The shooter talked about thought control. I have worked in Mental Health for over forty years. I believed that those who are "mentally Ill," are susceptible to being influenced by extreme negative thoughts. Most of these people have been raised in environments that probably have been domimated by negative thoughts and behaviors. Look at the people who are driving the political dialog on the Right, Glenn Beck,and Karl Rowe for example. Both have a family history mental illness, and suicide. They are naturals in taping into these thoughts of unstable peole, knows what to say to get the attention of these people, and how to activate a certain reaction in them. They are like Jim Jones, who drove many people to their death. Hitler has this gift as well. I thnk some in the Republican Party is aware of this, and use it as a polital stragety. They know what words to use to get people's attention, and how to feed into the fear, and influence people to react against their best interests. Words like mixing jobs-killing-Obama- care, to me is a signal to some that Obama is responsible for them having no jobs, kill -because of health -care. The President wants started out making people focusing on Health/Whole, by introducing legislation to help them to have access to Health Care. Those who don't want wholeness for everyone, sees this as a threat to who they are, and will do anything to maintain the status quo. The progress of the healing of this Congresswoman is hope to me, of what we can do if we focus on making whole, instead of tearing down. President Obama was a symbol of hope when he ran for president, and people taped into that hope. There has been a concerted effort to palnts seeds of fear, dis-spirited him, distract the people to go against their best, interest and repeal the attempts to make them whole and replace with the focus on their greatest love, money, the root of all kinds of evil. Evil in this context meaning, the process of returning to "live" life backwards. They claim money is the reason all people should not have access to wholeness/health, and they have a better ideas. If this Congresswoman did not have the best medical care availabe and the positive attention of love from her hustand and the world she problaby would not be where she is today. It is just like the Chilean miners, the world's attention and focus was on a possive outcome, and so it was. The Republicans will spend the next year, to a year in a half doing nothing but focusing and feeding into the fear, negative jobs growth, and distracting the people. The recovery of this Congress woman, should be an example of hope, if we connectively focus on wholeness/ healing, we can counteract the negative influence of the people who are not whole/split in their minds, who want to keep us divided.
So what are you doing? You are feeding the fear and distracting people with these comments.
And I suppose Rachel Madcow and Keith Olberman are the most honest, peace loving people that would never spread hatred or say anything bad or incorrect!
How about you actually stop drinking the liberal koolaid and start looking for things we all have in common. No one likes the violence our country has, no one likes paying others to lay around and be useless members of society, no one likes having to worry aout where their next meal is coming from.
The differernce between conservatives and liberals is in how they want to end these things. Liberals want the people that work and pay taxes to pay for those that don't. Conservatives want those that won't work to suck it up and get a job or starve.
As for the Obamacare thing. I keep hearing about the 40 - 50 million without insurance or proper coverage. But during the initial push for Obamacare, it was admitted by the liberals that approximately HALF of those people have the choice of having insurance but elect not to get it. That is why the liberals added the law that would FORCE people to purchase insurance.
As for the congresswoman, I wish her a speedy and complete recovery, but why are we treating her like a GOD? She is just anothe human being. It is a sad state of our country that we can not feel the same empathy for ANYONE that has been shot or injured or faced serious illness.
I would be willing to bet if this was Sarah Palin, you liberals would be cheering that the wicked witch is dead! Look in your heart and tell me I'm lying. You liberals would have declared a national holiday to celebrate a senseless and tragic shooting.
very well-said thetruthshallmakeyoufree! thank you for your comment. We have so much power to tear down or build up. I only hope more of us wake up and act on it.
I hope you never work with my mentally ill sibling. Your thoughts may influence how YOU treat someone, but you're not sending vibes through the air. It scares me to think there may be more people like you.
And the rest of you, please stop equating this person with ANY political party. I am as liberal as the day is long, and I do not want to be associated with this bunch of hooey.
LOL Truth's statements are correct. Psychologists call it the Collective Consciousness or the Collective Unconsciousness. This is something that is very well known. It's nothing new and there is nothing creepy about it. It's what helps make us human and is supposedly the font from which common sense springs.
This will be a very long road for them both, she's a fighter though and she is loved, those two things will get her as far as she can go.
I will however pray for a miracle.....knowing 3 people who suffered head injuries, not one of the 3 is 100%, close, but not 100% and never will be.....
You cannot say that full recovery is not possible. It's rare these days for a person to receive the best medical care possible in this country but it's a safe bet the best possible care is being provided here. The best care cannot guarantee healing in most cases, but anything less than the best will lead to less than optimal healing in most cases. Most people are not brain surgeons and therefore cannot tell whether the best care has been provided.
The brain and its functions are not yet fully understood. In cases of injury, parts of the brain take over the function from other damaged parts in order to compensate for the loss of their function. If these doctors are calling the Congresswoman's recovery "miraculous", then you can bet that it's truly miraculous. Doctors NEVER commit themselves to such an extent, so you may safely say the recovery has been "Miraculous PLUS"!
There may be residual injury in areas none of us can see. We all have strengths and weaknesses that are often known only to ourselves. Incomplete recovery will be in these areas that never have been visible to others and possibly have never been visible to the patient. If function is needed from these areas, it will likely be possible with time and repetition, but Congresswoman Giffords will be able to function at her job while this invisible healing continues.
The congresswoman has already shown that her most important parts, those that Mr. Giffords fell in love with and married, remain intact. She has been extremely fortunate to have retained ALL OF HERSELF! Rehab will help her express these parts of herself automatically again, as she did before she was injured. Physical function takes longer to re-establish. There are more tissues, organs and systems involved in physical movement. All these must be coordinated again. Physical therapy helps restore physical functions but speed and extent of this cannot be as easily predicted because of the multitude of parts involved in physical movement. Again, recovery of physical function is ongoing and will continue long after Mrs. Giffords is back at work.
Based on the speed and extent of the Congresswoman's recovery to this point I'll bet on her husband's second prediction - that Mrs. Giffords will be walking back through the same hospital doors she is leaving behind tomorrow within two months time to visit those who cared for her up to now. He was correct with his wild first prediction she would be leaving the hospital in two weeks. When she leaves tomorrow it will be 2 days ahead of his first prediction. He hasn't yet predicted when she will be ready to return to work. That will be prediction #3 and I'll bet with his prediction again.
There is still a piece of Mrs. Giffords' skull in the hospital freezer. As long as this piece remains on ice instead of back on Mrs. Gifford's head where it belongs, she is vulnerable. Once that missing piece is returned to her head, Gabby Giffords will no longer have to worry about infection. I hope the doctors aren't being overcautious about replacing that piece of skull now. Does the brain expand as it regains function? Maybe that explains their reasoning.
Glad she is doing well. It is a long road but no doubt, the most treasured journey of their lives.
I guess one of the questions on every ones mind is if Mr. Kelly will be putting off his fast approaching shuttle mission to care for his wife.
I don't see any mention of that, but I am sure he will make the right choice.
Stellar007, I believe some time last week Capt. Kelly asked NASA to name a backup, which they did. I would imagine a lot will depend on how well she is doing by the time of the mission. Her mother might be able to help enough with her rehab that he can go ahead with the mission.
It's scheduled for Apr. 19, 2011 and is a 14 day mission. Rep. Giffords may be able to get by without him and possibly even tell him to go ahead and go by that time. His brother Scott Kelly is currently on the Space Station and looks just like him, oops just checked they are twins.
Her Government Health care seems to be serving her quite well. I hope she makes a full recovery and gets back to congress. Her story should shut people up who fear the term "Death Panels" and "Government Takeover". If this is government health care, I'd be glad to enroll in that plan!
Our prayers are with you. May God help you to a rapid recovery.
Thats good to hear Rascal. I don't recall seeing that information.
As for Ryan, well I hate to break it to you buddy, but we the people WILL NOT be getting the same coverage as people in congress, but nice try.
Was going to contradict you but have thought the better of it. You obviously have chosen to believe the lies of the lunatic right. Nothing anything I can say to you will change your mind. However, if you have a pre exisitng condition or a college age child, and your insurance company decides to dump you or deny coverage, under the hcr, they cannot. In my mind, care of the people is more important than the profits of the health care industry. Oh yes, and please consider this: under this plan, most of your dollar must be used to provide insurance - not dividends to stockholders. Just a thought.
This is awesome news! Through all the disheartening events that constantly bombard us day after day from all manner of news sources...
It's just nice to see one turn out for the good! God bless the Giffords family.
Trust me, the health care your government has 'plan'ned for you will not come anywhere near close to the plan reserved for the elected elite.
Why don't we all just be pleased with her steps in her recovery and save the politics for later discussions.
There will be plenty of time for that in the coming weeks and months.
My best to her and her recovery!
Yes, why don't we all just go belly up and take a moment of silence while the Feds continue on.
Gaby Giffords and Mark Kelly are my new American heroes.
Why exactly are they heroes? You are a loser if you cant think of a better hero then these 2 clowns.
to cegan.. you are an idiot. Stupid comment
What a truly a-hole thing to say.
What if it turns out that Mark Kelly is part of this lie?
Is he a hero ?
Ray, are you suggesting something here?
I love a good conspiracy story! Please spell it out for me. What lie?
who is mark kelly?
Yes Ray, please tell us about what you think is a lie.
Mark Kelly is a space shuttle commander. Maybe the space shuttle doesn't really exist? Of course, you'd have a hard time convincing most of the world (including me - I was there to see it go up once). Mark Kelly is probably more of an American hero than any of the Naysayers commenting on here.
Think for yourselves. Why no pictures?
How can the government influence Mr. Kelly?
cegan, you are suspended for a day for violating rule #1 of the Code of Honor.
Cut it out, please.
PoohGrl and David-2303870, don't inflame. Report. Thanks!
"Why no pictures?"
Why no pictures of what? Of Rep. Giffords in the hospital, on a ventilator with part of her skull removed?
I can only think that Ray believes that Rep. Giffords wasn't actually shot. Or maybe he believes she actually did die, as initially reported by the media.
Whichever, these theories are utterly ludicrous. If this isn't what you're saying, then please clarify, Ray.
Jim and Sarah Brady are also American heroes together with Gabby Giffords and Mark Kelly.
What ties them together is the gun violence that must be stopped.
To this end, N. R. A. GO AWAY,!!!!
NRA, Do Not Block Gun Control in America.
bicfj ......just exactly how are you gonna stop the criminals from getting guns? by passing your [gun] control laws......all you are doing is stopping the people who would not do terrible things with guns from getting them......you know honest citizens.....do you honestly think that crime will drop and the murder rate will drop because guns are outlawed? these laws might make you feel warm and fuzzy but they WILL NOT stop gun violence, there are gun control laws out the wahzoo and they do not work.....according to your post GUN violence is the only kind of violence.......we do not need guns to kill each other........how about this info....if NCIS had been informed that this guy was crackers......he would not have been able to buy the gun legally , since there were too many people along with the pima county sherrifs department that had this info and did not bother to tell anyone, maybe you need to get a petition together and ban incompetence .........or the nut job could have just built a bomb........doesn't matter once their minds are made up, criminals will kill, ways and means are only part of their mind set......but yes ban all the guns and your little nation of utopia, peace ,love, and bobby sherman will last forever.......or the criminals will just keep getting guns illegally.....wait ...they do that already........or they could just use , bats , knives, cars, poison, 2x4's ,plastic bags, garrotes, chainsaws, cement blocks, etc......your gonna need to ban all of these too......looks like your gonna be busy........and since you gave up your guns you will embrace the government tacking over your life...and you will cease to be free.......i do not want to live in your screwed up bubble.......
Sorry, but the American heroes are the 2 husbands that shielded their wives at the expense of losing their lives so their wives could live. Yes, I hope Gabby recovers as completely as she can, but let's not forget that 6 people lost their lives in this shooting including a 9 year old girl. Gabby stands a shot at recovery. The 6 that died are simply gone. Mark Kelly isn't doing anything more than any other husband would do----stand beside and support his wife. There's nothing heroic about that. That would be expected. For those of us old enough to remember, there was JFK, RFK, and MLK. Were they heroes?
yes you are right about that.....and do not forget the 60 plus lady hero that grabbed the magazine out of the scrotes hand, she is one brass balls lady....now they need to take the shooter peel him roll him in salt and hang him..that is what he deserves no more no less.
Sorry, I did forget about her. As for the shooter, if this were the middle east or China, he'd have been tried at breakfast and executed at dinner. He may, because of this case's notoriety, get a death sentence. No doubt, he is a sick man, but I don't know AZ law. Also, let's throw in the 2 that tackled him.
absolutely they are heroes too they , acted without regard to thier own safety..
There were many brave people present that day. And Mark Kelly is an astronaut, one of the most highly trained and bravest set of people on earth. He may not be a hero in your book, but there are not many men and women with more courage than our astronaut corp.
flbikerchick, Your point is well taken, but that has nothing to do with the events of that day or what he is doing now. If you consider an astronaut a hero, OK by me. Personally, I feel a soldier going into combat requires more bravery than someone going into space. How many people have died on a battlefield? How many people have died in space? Nobody is shooting at you up there.
LogiBear - I'll second that !!! Good people in our great country deserve recognition. Up with victim's rights and down with criminal's rights.
well as far as astronauts that fly in the space shuttle, that is built to the lowest, bidder......and has a tendency to explode going up, and explode coming down, and once you hit atmosphere you are dead sticking and you are either gonna land or crash....yeah i would say they have balls......
who is James Eric Fuller?
Excellent news. I hope she continues to defy the odds.
How can there be no pictures of her standing up?
It's a little thing called privacy and respect.
Ray, you seem obsessed with seeing pictures of Rep. Giffords in the hospital. Do you seriously think the media is allowed in ICU? Or that her caregivers would release photos of her in her current condition? How many other gravely wounded victims have had photos published to satisfy some people's morbid curiousity?
Didn't you see the photo of her being taken away from the scene of the shooting on a gurney, surrounded by EMTs and covered in blood? No published photos of her since that terrible event doesn't mean there's a conspiracy; it just means she's being accorded privacy, as cookykamp suggests. Why do you think Rep. Giffords doesn't deserve that courtesy?
She is a very special person, God is with her all the way.
My prayers are with you in your recovery!!!!!!!
Palin's doing?
And she is still proud of it.
Ms Palin it looks like the very same congresswoman who pointed you out is recovering well. I hope she has a chance to meet you face to face and let you know exactly how she feels.
Now THAT would make me actually not change the channel when Palin's face comes on. I would love to hear her play the victim while face to face with Ms. Giffords. It might open a lot of currently closed eyes to Half-Term Palin's lack of leadership skills.
Why is this woman a hero. Whose life did she save. She was shot blindly in the hwad by an idiot that was trying to shoot her in the head. That makes one a hero. Neither is her husband. He has spent 12 days sitting by her side. That makes him a good husband and one should expect him to do no less. Being shot or blownup in a bldg. might make one a martyr but certainly not a hero.
Sorry, I have to ask.... does anyone else think her husband looks identical to the shooter! ;-) What an odd coincidence!
NO.
I was wondering if the shooter shaved his head so he would resemble Captain Kelly. The shooter may have thought he could get closer by looking like her husband or he may have taken his obsession of her differently than what is being speculated about. He first "met" Rep. Giffords in 2007. Was that before or after she got married? Maybe this boils down to his feeling she rejected him by getting married? Who knows what goes on in the mind of a madman?
Either way, there is one very BIG difference in their looks. It's in the eyes. The shooter's are blanks, Capt. Kelly's are warm and open.
I want to know why he is always wearing a suit? Really a suit to visit your wife in the hospital?
you mean bald and mega big head? a little... Whats freaky is they both look little like Ballmer ceo of microsoft...
Yes with the short hair
Karen, what difference is it to you if he takes pride in how he dresses. My father, who immigrated to the USA in 1954 from Italy after marrying my mother, and who was raised growing grapes in a vinyard for wine, always wore a suit.
He wore a suit jacket and dress slacks to work as a meat cutter for 50 years. He took off his jacket and placed on his meat apron to work, but that suit jacket went back on for breaks, and to and from work.
He always wore his dress suits to church ... no jeans and sweats to disrespect God. Sunday best meant exactly that, dressing your best out of respect. Not throwing on yesterday's sweat shirt and those work jeans.
Just running to the conner store, my father wore his shirt and jacket. My father always wore dress slacks ... no jeans or "work pants" ... and that is true of anyone WHO CARES HOW THEY PRESENT THEMSELVES in this society. Not only has our society been "dumbed down", it has been 'trashed down" by people who no longer take pride in how they dress or appear in society.
My father loves his suit jackets, my mother loved her dresses and hats ... and on occasion wore fancy dress gloves for those extra special occasions.
My parents worked hard, lived well and took pride in all they did ... including how they dressed.
The dr last night indicated she was not able to write normally with her right hand. So there may be a bit of hemiplegia(at least temporary). As it is, some shunt malfunction patients struggle with mild aphasia for 4-6 months after surgery, so I dont think she is doing poorly at all, for being shot in the brain. He just doesnt want to push her too far. She could have fainting spells or seizures if he does.
I wish nothing but the best for Rep Giffords. She did nothing to deserve what happened to her.
One aspect of this that merits some level of attention is the health insurance program that is available to her. She is in the Federal Employees Health Benefit program as are most Congresmen. From what I can gather, she chose the Fee-For-Service Blue Cross coverage. Because of her age, I would be pretty sure that she did not take the Long Term Care insurance that is available to federal employees.
That said, I would be curious to find out how much of her rehab the insurance will pay for. Will Workmens' Comp kick in because she was injured while on official business? Does she have any coverage as a family member of an active-duty service member?
Most people have bought into the Limbaugh/Fox lies about Congressional health care. All federal employees select from a group of available plans, just like any major corporation. The FEHB does have slightly better premiums, but only because the federal government is such a large employer that they have more bargaining power, but it by no means free or in any way different from what a janitor in a federal building might pay.
Health insurance is notoriously weak in at least three areas that will effect her --- cosmetic surgery to repair the disfigurement, long-term rehabilitation services, and mental health services that might be required if there is brain damage in certain areas. Since she has pretty comparable coverage to what a worker in, say a major bank, might have, it would be interesting and pertinent to the current health care bill discussions, to see at least some details of her health insurance coverage and what might be anticipated in terms of unpaid medical bills.
I may write to her office and suggest that it might be useful for her husband or her staff to go through the whole thing for the public --- how much she pays in premiums, what coverage she has, and what might not be covered. There have been so many lies told about the "unlimited free" coverage that Congressmen get for free. Here is a link to what would have been available to her as an Arizona resident:
http://www.opm.gov/insure/health/planinfo/2011/states/az.asp
It;s worth reading about.
Guy you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Government folk get the Cadillac plan!
You must work for a branch of the Government, so you really have NO CLUE what it's like to have regular "servant" insurance. Not only that, Government folk get paid better, and they get screwed around less.
Most of us "Regular" people aren't buying your smoke screen Chris! Had this happened to a "Regular Joe", I doubt the outcome would have been the same.
Cadillac Plan? Is that a term Rush uses? Another lie he throws out to the sheep who believe his every word? BTW? Wouldn't you agree that Congressmen and women don't exactly have the best job security? How would you like your co-workers to vote on whether your employment will continue? How about they spew out any lies and distortions they see fit to get you fired? I surely hope that Rep. Giffords and all Americans are covered for whatever medical problems befall them. You believe you have choice in medical coverage? Guess again. The Insurance Companies are the ones making the decisions on what coverage you get. That must change. Call it socialized healthcare or call it Rainbows and ponies healthcare, I don't care. I just want to know that the real Death Panels, the Insurance Companies, are taken out of the equation.
Love it K-dawg! Agree with everything. I think we should start calling it the Rainbows & Pony plan - how could anyone vote against that! ;)
K-Dawg you must have a hole in your head if you think I listen to Rush.
With regards to job security... Well it's just like any other job, if you can't do the job you get fired. Why the heck would I feel ONE BIT BAD about something that applies to everyone? I can't say that the quality of insurance given to people in congress applies to everyone and thus the reason I responded the way I did. Don't worry Obama and the Democrats are going to get fired in 2012 for ramming that flawed health care bill down our throats, so suck it up buddy!
Grow up K-Dawg.
I am not worried. Healthcare is the law of the land.
Slavery was the law of the land at one time too K-Dawg! Lucky for you bad laws get changed or repealed.
The House just voted to have it repealed, and your "Law of the land" does not take effect until 2014. Your boy Obama might get voted out of office in 2012 along with all the people in the Senate who are ignorant enough to commit political suicide for the 2nd time. Lest we forget 27 states are suing in Federal court because many feel the mandate is unconstitutional.
But don't worry...
My wife is a charge nurse in a clinic at a Texas Department of Criminal Justice Unit "the pen". It is a phsyciatric unit including a 200 bed, or so, critical care hospital. The inmates have a "Cadillac" plan. Cardiac, Dialysis, Urology, Optical, Dental, Hip Replacement, Physical Therapy, Neurology, you name it, except for Viagra, they get it.
K-Dawg...
I am worried because those Republicans have already voted to repeal our health care in the House of Representatives.
If they can't pass the same repeal in the Senate, they will do everything they can to de-fund health care to make it impossible to implement.
The health care law of 2009 must not be repealed. It must be modified to improve it and make it more effective.
You forgot something - Mr. Giffords ALSO works for the government and has a health care plan. As a married couple, each is eligible for coverage on the other's plan.
Whatever isn't covered by her plan will be picked up by his plan. Both of them have the very best plans availble anywhere in this country but CONGRESS HAS THE BEST POSSIBLE COVERAGE FOR THEMSELVES. I'm certain her plan alone would cover all the treatment she will receive.
If they were "normal" government workers instead of superstars, the insurance would still cover all the expenses and neither would be responsible for out-of-pocket expenses.
Interesting information but Mark is active military so I'm sure they could be using his benefits rather than what is available through the Fed's or a combination of both.
Stellar007, be careful here. This sounds an awful lot like a personal attack, which is a violation of # 1 of the Code of Honor.
Thanks!
i don't want to sound like a jerk, but weren't there lots of people wounded by the shooter? why are we only hearing about this one victim?
are you somehow more 'heroic' if you are a public figure?
She was the most seriously wounded, and had a death announcement made about her. She gets dibs on coverage.
Most likely because she was the most critically injured, and, it's amazing how fast she's recovering from a wound that should have likely killed her.
Gabby deserves the coverage..
Besides other news about other victims of this tragedy are about yelling "Your Dead" to a Tea party member...
Heroic? Probably a good description. She showed up time after time to meet people in her district even though she had received numerous death threats. She had also complained both in public and in private about being targeted by Palin etc. She had expressed a fear that she could be shot. When she was shot in the head I think just about everybody figured she was dead. But alas, she survived. Not only survived but is progressing beyond wildest expectations. In this dark tragedy she has become the one glimmer of hope. She is certainly not the only hero but her will to survive has been nothing short of heroic.
Beautifully said, K-Dawg!
She's also the only victim still in the hospital.
In addition to being a "public figure," she's a person who has worked tirelessly for her constituents, and who continued to hold public meetings in spite of many death threats. The attack on her was the first attempted assasination of a member of congress in decades.
Take your pick of any of the above reasons why we're hearing about "this one victim." Frankly, as one of her constituents, I want to read as much as possible about her situation, especially when it's good news!
Also, a hero is someone doing something, or taking that risk, before they would want anyone else to have to. In short, she stepped up for convictions!
KDAWG, do you seriously believe that Palin "targeted" Giffords, as in "targeted her for death"????? Giffords was "targeted", be defeated by a Republican in the recent election. "In the crosshairs", "targeted", and so forth have LONG been used in political rhetoric, AND by BOTH parties; I repeat: BOTH parties...As far as "heroic", I believe her recovery efforts are "heroic" because her wounding was catastrophic, and usually fatal in similar cases. May God bless her & her family on her road to recovery. May she have a full recovery, and get back to her home in Tucson soon.
TURNIPTRUCK, I don't believe she targeted Giffords for death but I do believe that Palin's attempts to be cutesy and give a little wink- wink to conservatives may have backfired on her. It was a case of "you bought it, you own it" IMO. I don't believe that Palin really expected anyone to shoot any of those cross-haired politicians but she really should measure her words and actions in the future.
18 people shot, 6 people dead and the only thing we haven't been told is whether Giffords made a 'doodle' today. I guess the 6 dead are just cannonfodder because they're not a hero representative.
You lack class. Go away.
Typical teabagger response. You people always have to be on the attack. Even when one of your victims is showing signs of recovering from an assassination attempt, you need to find something to go on the offensive about.
Toasty, Please refrain from the teabagger remark, it is tea party and I am one as well as highly conservative, I wish Congresswoman Giffords many prayers for a complete recovery and a long life. As you know the tea party and GOP are not responsible for this lunatic. There is no link at all to any political party.
They set the stage for this by building an atmosphere of violence. And what's more, the only thing they took from this is to attack harder.
toasty.......that is exactly what you are doing.......to even make a political statement out of this puts you on the spot.......you have no evidence to back up your claim.......just your lousy political opinion......which is just that......
We can only hope she continues her current trajectory in her recovery. Clearly she is quite amazing. I wish her the best in all she does.
Again, people are shot & murdered everyday in this country. She is just another statistic. Thanks to the easy access of guns. Thank you to you rich lobbyists who is helping your friends of the NRA. Politics & Religion = billions. Why don't the news talk more about priests who molest kids. They only mentioned a few times of how the Vatican settled lawsuits for millions and that's it. The rest is swept under the carpet.
I am quite amazed with her recovery, inspired even!
She sure was a hotty back in 1988, she had that 80's look down pat in that school photo with the short hair! Reminds me of that chick from the movie "Just one of the guys", oh how I miss the 80's!
I only hope that the kind of medical care she was given can be afforded to ALL AMERICANS... Rich, poor, and middle class. Some how I don't feel that's the case, nor do I feel the health care bill she supported would offer that same level of service. Extending health care to all is not the same as PROVIDING HEALTH CARE TO ALL, I think many people don't understand the diffrence. There is a way to ensure that ALL AMERICANS have good insurance, but our elected officials just aren't working hard enough to make it so!
Which is why we should approach these reports with a healthy dose of skepticism. Politicians (or in this case, their handlers) think they must pretend to be superhuman in order to avoid some kind of crisis of confidence that they seem to think will take hold of the American public. Roosevelt pretending he wasn't crippled from polio, like my dad and everyone else who had it. JFK pretending he was not in and out of the hospital with an auto-immune disorder. Dick Cheney going into hiding instead of admitting he needed time to recover from heart attacks. You notice, her husband is the only one reporting these amazing strides. The doctors keep couching his claims.
Giffords for President 2016
Why?
Because even if it turns out Giffords only has half a brain left, then she still outshines Palin
Hey that mean to Gabby... but it's funny as hell!
with half a brain she is twice as smart as obama, maybe she can pronounce corpseman correctly, even with half a brain.
I bet she can spell it correctly, too. Who knows? Maybe she can even master punctuation.
Scrolling her Ipad! Not bad Gabby!!
Depends what they mean by scrolling. My son has severe autism and is classified as low-functioning. His intellect is there, but he can't tie his shoes or get himself to the bathroom on time. At almost 27 years old, he has never uttered a word. He can only type with support. But he can scroll his ipad. He's a wonderful person and makes tiny bits of progress all the time, but would probably not get elected to Congress.
Health care like that would not be available to all or how else can the filthy rich justified that they need a guest house with 18 bedrooms. Hearts castle, San Simeon,Ca. and that was back in the 1920's. It didn't hurt Mr. Hearst that his family was already rich. We just share a country with the rich. It's ok if a shooting occurs in the poor neighborhood. It is accepted. but when a rich person or a famous person gets shot; it is now news.
What the eff??????
i totally agree that the rich or the known such as in this case are adornned with the best of care. i have a frontal global mass brain injury which i have had to struggle with daily, at my accident i had a glasgow reading of 3- no re- hab, if i were shot by an assassin would i still be in the shape i am now? why doesn't someone in power help us who don't have a name?
Not the most elegant language but I'm afraid I agree. If you or I get a brain injury, we do not get to cherry-pick from the best rehab facilities in the country. We go where our insurance company tells us to go, and if we don't have insurance, we may not go at all.
All life is worthy of the same treatment. I couldn't agree more.
I could not disagree more, my former fiance' suffered a massive brain injury & he had the best care available at that time (1990).
Not trying to be crass or heartless, but I am tired of hearing about this story. Did any of you know there were 6 people killed in Baltimore the same day, one being a police officer? They got all of 30 seconds on the tv and radio news and a one paragraph writeup in the papers.
Sorry this happened to her adn the others, but this story should have been over within 2 days after the shooting. I don't mind an occasional byline showing her progress, but this story has been completely over blown.
She was a Congresswoman. That makes it a National interest story. Along with the fact that the phucktard Sarah Palin made her a target for the loony guntoting inbred trailertrash republicans, we need to keep it in the National limelight.
Hmm. Interesting. All you liberals have been spouting since this story broke is how the hatred and vitriol spewed by republicans caused this. Yet here you are spewing your hatred and vitriol!
Guess it's a two way street. Maybe YOUR hatred and vitriol caused this!
I doubt that since I started calling Sarah Palin a phucktard after the shooting and her denial of responsibility.
I know, Palin went out and bought the gun and bullets, met with him in a back alley, and directed him to go shoot the congresswoman in the head and make sure he shot as many people as possible!
Why can't you and the rest of your ilk just admit, there are some seriously metally ill people in this world that kill for no reason. Not everything has to be a conspiracy.
Of course the shooter was mentally unbalanced. And this is what happens when you throw someone like that into an atmosphere of violence. An atmosphere fomented solely by the far right.
You know, it's okay for you tea partiers to just admit that your calls to violence were responsible and vow to change the dialog. It's okay to admit you were wrong. You don't have to attack every time.
the guy was mentally unstable, that part is obvious. he was vulnerable, susseptible, which leads to easily being manipulated.
the rhetoric played into his beliefs which led him to take action.
if words do not incite and direct people to do things, then tell me why Charles Manson is in prison, he did not kill anyone, he was never at Roman Polanski's residence, he never shot Sharon Tate, or their next door neighbors.
Rod-Father- Actually it has been reported in the news the shooter was a pothead and using another hallucenogenic drug as well. His behavior, shooting anyone in sight indicates quite clearly he was a Hinckley type. The acts were those of a mad man not a political assassin. Hinckley it was reported first stalked President Carter but could not get close enough, but when Reagan got in he was able to get close enough. Blaming other politicians is wrong, many politicians including Obama used similar metaphors. Obama said if they bring a knife to a fight, I will bring a gun. That comment was just a figure of speech. Really if the Congresswoman was not at the rally that day and someone else was, the shooter would still have come and started shooting. It was his moment.
The gun-knife statement was rhetoric. The calls to violence from the far right are LITERAL. There's a very important difference. And THAT is why they are responsible.
toasty you can't be serious, so when the left says something inflammatory, it is well, it's just taken out of context, he/she did not really mean that......but if the right says something inflammatory , yes they are plotting the overthrow of the government,......yes it is palins fault.....oh yes .....she must ......tell the world how guilty she is for slinging mud in politics......listen twinkie boy, all she did when asked to run with Mc Cain was say yes......the left has been slinging their hate and violent intentions toward her ever since, and just keep at it. there are plenty of lib,s that own guns and attended the tea parties , they are very interested in improving things.......unlike you, your just making it worse........let us not blame the guy responsible, oh no, there has to be some influence that caused him to do this, that is where we need to start...oh yes......pick something right? just anything......will do.....no sense blaming the guy that did it, hell that would be too easy.......you are lost in space...
Sorry, toasty, but both sides are guilty. What remains to be seen is which side will change their tune, approach our problems with maturity and dignity, and exhibit some real leadership. My money is on anyone but the Republicans and Democrats.
I have no problem with angry and inflammatory speech. You guys can call the president an America-hating socialist till the cows come home. Because that's rhetoric, not literal. But the second you say something along the lines of:
- Sarah Palin, former Governor of Alaska
- Sharron Angle, former member of the Nevada State Assembly
- Joyce Kaufman, Radio host, Tea Party activist
- Congressman Allen West
- Currently serving United States Congresswoman from Minnesota Michele Bachmann, leader of the Tea Party Caucus, paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson
That's when people start getting killed, and this has come EXCLUSIVELY from the far right.
very well said Toasty @};-
yeah toasty bla bla bla........none of these things had jack all to do with the shooter in tuscon.......you know that , what about obamas they bring a knife we bring a gun.....that does not incite? nothing like that comes from the left? you know damn good and well that this guy was just plain crazy.....since he was a well known mental case why wasn't that info passed on to NCIS? this guy did not even read the stuff you are talking about... so what ever the left says is just okay?.......you and the rest of the left are the ones turning this into a political outhouse ....from the word go.......there is is no evidence coming from the shooter where he said .......yeah all those bad things the right has been saying made me do this......he is not cooperating with the feds.......until you hear this guy say this for a fact......all you have is some things people said.......that's it....hearsay......you and way too many left minded people are going on what you feel and not the real facts.......just because he reads mein kamphf , and the communist manifesto, does not make him a nazi or a communist........when you have some real facts that have the man admitting that the right caused him to do what he did.... then print it. news flash genus.....people are getting killed every day , and it has absolutely nothing to do with this.......so where is your political opinion on that? murder rape, robbery, maybe you could tell the cops what caused those people to do those murders......they could use the help......
you do not even know what that means do you? look it up, Jefferson that is, and understand the meaning......when the people are armed the government fears the people, that is , it makes it real hard to oppress and enslave them, it holds true now just like it did in 1776....you need to come to the conclusion that freedom is not free......and it has it's price......and that there will always be those who will plot to take your freedom away from you.......always has always will.......an armed society is a polite society.......if you are not willing to fight to protect your way of life then you do not deserve to have it........opinions won't make any difference......left or right...it is what you do that matters.......
same here......but face it .....there are people in your own country.....that do not have your best interests in mind.......not being an ass......just tired of hearing about how gun control is gonna make everything better......which is a lie straight from the pits of hell.......in order to avoid violence you better be prepared to meet it head on ......socialism is being kicked around by the current administration that is not what's best for America......we have gotten by just fine without it so far......we do not need it......anyone who thinks other wise is kidding themselves......people should be armed and dangerous then they will be left alone..........criminals prey on th weak.......
Really Government folks get the Cadillac plan?? In my twenty plus years with the federal government I have not seen this plan. I have seen my health insurance coverage decrease and it wasn't that great to begin with.
And I would be happy to show you the run around I have had with the insurance companies. My coworker had to have a c section to save her child and the insurance company would not pay for it as they said it was not an "essential" surgery. So Stellar, before you make comments like the ones you made be prepared to back up the statements. and by the way the congress folks get the same plans as regular government employees.
Laurie, not "government" folks, we're talking the health care received by senators and congressmen and congresswomen, and their families...not "government folks" in general...would you equate the health care the military receive to the health care of senators and congress people? If so, you need to do ALOT of reading and understanding the facts....
CONGRESS voted for themselves the BEST POSSIBLE HEALTH COVERAGE.
They are covered for all procedures and they don't have to worry about co-payments. Our Congress voted for themselves the equivalent of universal single payer health care, while they took the same thing "off the table" for us.
NICE! No wonder Congress is now afraid of gun violence. The people are overdue and Congress is aware of the wrongs they've committed, the betrayals of the people they are responsible for.
I'm enjoying their guilt-driven discomfort.
its called communism-you want that plan move to Russia or Peoples Republic of China.
another week of this tripe. MSNBC had no similar coverage of the Ft Hood shooting by the government poster boy muslim sleeper cell-alley snackbar.
congress has benz/bmw health plan, you peasant sheeple are going to get the rusty can opener type plan.....eh you stupid gringos. by the way serve one term in congress and you get a basic pension and full benz/bmw health care for the rest of your life. nice being elite. not nice being a peasant. I voted for Ross Perot....only guy who knew what was really going on in this corrupt govt.
Turnip truck, I suggest you look up this government health care or actually work in the federal system before you speak up. I have 25 years of federal work experience and have gone through the health care issues.
Gabby is getting the same plans as I do as a federal employee and there is no cadillac plan for congress folks. They get the same as a federal employee. Some plans are better than others, some are not and the fees vary. So unless you have worked in the federal system you are not truly aware of what is done for federal employees.
1st cav is the guy I want on my squad kicking in doors in Iraq or Afghanistan.
I hope she recovers fully.
Mr. Hearst worked hard to earn his money. Maybe if you worked harder and had a more postive attitude you could accomplish something in your life and would not be so jealous.
do not hold your breath, there are no mirrors in his house therefore he cannot see the real reason for all of his problems......
Hearst was like all the other robber barons. They earned so much because they paid their employees so little. They got away with it til the unions came in, and now a new class of robber barons get away with it by sending all those jobs overseas.
how many jobs did the UAW union lose to the auto industry.......because it was cheaper to use robots......than pay union members the insane wages that the UAW was demanding?.......two way street there...
"Insane wages" is propaganda. How much do their top bosses make? Can you really say they work harder than the ones on the assembly line? It's always been lopsided.
my point.......from the top on down......plain old greed.
Always hang onto hope, but face reality, too....
Damage to any brain rarely goes without some permanent loss. Her days in Congress might well be over.
We'll pray for a true miracle above and beyond medical science.
I agree. The full recovery statements are not medically supportable. There is no way you get shot like this and not have some permanent damage. I have never heard doctors talk this confidently. It is almost like the book "1984". They are telling us 2+2=3 today, when a few years ago they would say 2+2=4.
I work on a rehabilitation unit and have seen clear miracles. People that come in with severe hemiplegia (half paralyzed), aphasia (cannot speak or possibly understand), and recover so that it would be hard for someone to even know that they had ever had a disability.
I have also seen time and time again the residual effects of brain injury from trauma and stroke. This will likely be a very long road of recovery and I wish the congress woman well. I will keep hoping for one of those "miracles" I have seen in the past.
so EWS100% are you behind Shrum and the Tea Party enthusiasts who are calling for her to step down after only 12 days? I have never heard such absurd talk. Look at Reagan who was already in the throes of Alzheimer's when he was still president, and Strom Thurmond who was not in his right mind for at least a decade while he was a senator. Even that looney tunes Governor of Arizona called it an indecent thing to even ask her to find someone to replace her.
This is a good example how the mind works, we are all connected. When positive uplifting thoughts are sent, the recipient of those thoughts benefit. The same goes for negative thoughts. The shooter talked about thought control. I have worked in Mental Health for over forty years. I believed that those who are "mentally Ill," are susceptible to being influenced by extreme negative thoughts. Most of these people have been raised in environments that probably have been domimated by negative thoughts and behaviors. Look at the people who are driving the political dialog on the Right, Glenn Beck,and Karl Rowe for example. Both have a family history mental illness, and suicide. They are naturals in taping into these thoughts of unstable peole, knows what to say to get the attention of these people, and how to activate a certain reaction in them. They are like Jim Jones, who drove many people to their death. Hitler has this gift as well. I thnk some in the Republican Party is aware of this, and use it as a polital stragety. They know what words to use to get people's attention, and how to feed into the fear, and influence people to react against their best interests. Words like mixing jobs-killing-Obama- care, to me is a signal to some that Obama is responsible for them having no jobs, kill -because of health -care. The President wants started out making people focusing on Health/Whole, by introducing legislation to help them to have access to Health Care. Those who don't want wholeness for everyone, sees this as a threat to who they are, and will do anything to maintain the status quo. The progress of the healing of this Congresswoman is hope to me, of what we can do if we focus on making whole, instead of tearing down. President Obama was a symbol of hope when he ran for president, and people taped into that hope. There has been a concerted effort to palnts seeds of fear, dis-spirited him, distract the people to go against their best, interest and repeal the attempts to make them whole and replace with the focus on their greatest love, money, the root of all kinds of evil. Evil in this context meaning, the process of returning to "live" life backwards. They claim money is the reason all people should not have access to wholeness/health, and they have a better ideas. If this Congresswoman did not have the best medical care availabe and the positive attention of love from her hustand and the world she problaby would not be where she is today. It is just like the Chilean miners, the world's attention and focus was on a possive outcome, and so it was. The Republicans will spend the next year, to a year in a half doing nothing but focusing and feeding into the fear, negative jobs growth, and distracting the people. The recovery of this Congress woman, should be an example of hope, if we connectively focus on wholeness/ healing, we can counteract the negative influence of the people who are not whole/split in their minds, who want to keep us divided.
So what are you doing? You are feeding the fear and distracting people with these comments.
And I suppose Rachel Madcow and Keith Olberman are the most honest, peace loving people that would never spread hatred or say anything bad or incorrect!
How about you actually stop drinking the liberal koolaid and start looking for things we all have in common. No one likes the violence our country has, no one likes paying others to lay around and be useless members of society, no one likes having to worry aout where their next meal is coming from.
The differernce between conservatives and liberals is in how they want to end these things. Liberals want the people that work and pay taxes to pay for those that don't. Conservatives want those that won't work to suck it up and get a job or starve.
As for the Obamacare thing. I keep hearing about the 40 - 50 million without insurance or proper coverage. But during the initial push for Obamacare, it was admitted by the liberals that approximately HALF of those people have the choice of having insurance but elect not to get it. That is why the liberals added the law that would FORCE people to purchase insurance.
As for the congresswoman, I wish her a speedy and complete recovery, but why are we treating her like a GOD? She is just anothe human being. It is a sad state of our country that we can not feel the same empathy for ANYONE that has been shot or injured or faced serious illness.
I would be willing to bet if this was Sarah Palin, you liberals would be cheering that the wicked witch is dead! Look in your heart and tell me I'm lying. You liberals would have declared a national holiday to celebrate a senseless and tragic shooting.
@ Thetruthshallmakeyoufree,
It's quite obvious you watched the movie "Avatar" one too many times.
very well-said thetruthshallmakeyoufree! thank you for your comment. We have so much power to tear down or build up. I only hope more of us wake up and act on it.
I hope you never work with my mentally ill sibling. Your thoughts may influence how YOU treat someone, but you're not sending vibes through the air. It scares me to think there may be more people like you.
And the rest of you, please stop equating this person with ANY political party. I am as liberal as the day is long, and I do not want to be associated with this bunch of hooey.
LOL Truth's statements are correct. Psychologists call it the Collective Consciousness or the Collective Unconsciousness. This is something that is very well known. It's nothing new and there is nothing creepy about it. It's what helps make us human and is supposedly the font from which common sense springs.
They're not psychologists, they're philosphers. call it what it is.
This will be a very long road for them both, she's a fighter though and she is loved, those two things will get her as far as she can go.
I will however pray for a miracle.....knowing 3 people who suffered head injuries, not one of the 3 is 100%, close, but not 100% and never will be.....
I hope she is a miracle, she didn't deserve this.
You cannot say that full recovery is not possible. It's rare these days for a person to receive the best medical care possible in this country but it's a safe bet the best possible care is being provided here. The best care cannot guarantee healing in most cases, but anything less than the best will lead to less than optimal healing in most cases. Most people are not brain surgeons and therefore cannot tell whether the best care has been provided.
The brain and its functions are not yet fully understood. In cases of injury, parts of the brain take over the function from other damaged parts in order to compensate for the loss of their function. If these doctors are calling the Congresswoman's recovery "miraculous", then you can bet that it's truly miraculous. Doctors NEVER commit themselves to such an extent, so you may safely say the recovery has been "Miraculous PLUS"!
There may be residual injury in areas none of us can see. We all have strengths and weaknesses that are often known only to ourselves. Incomplete recovery will be in these areas that never have been visible to others and possibly have never been visible to the patient. If function is needed from these areas, it will likely be possible with time and repetition, but Congresswoman Giffords will be able to function at her job while this invisible healing continues.
The congresswoman has already shown that her most important parts, those that Mr. Giffords fell in love with and married, remain intact. She has been extremely fortunate to have retained ALL OF HERSELF! Rehab will help her express these parts of herself automatically again, as she did before she was injured. Physical function takes longer to re-establish. There are more tissues, organs and systems involved in physical movement. All these must be coordinated again. Physical therapy helps restore physical functions but speed and extent of this cannot be as easily predicted because of the multitude of parts involved in physical movement. Again, recovery of physical function is ongoing and will continue long after Mrs. Giffords is back at work.
Based on the speed and extent of the Congresswoman's recovery to this point I'll bet on her husband's second prediction - that Mrs. Giffords will be walking back through the same hospital doors she is leaving behind tomorrow within two months time to visit those who cared for her up to now. He was correct with his wild first prediction she would be leaving the hospital in two weeks. When she leaves tomorrow it will be 2 days ahead of his first prediction. He hasn't yet predicted when she will be ready to return to work. That will be prediction #3 and I'll bet with his prediction again.
There is still a piece of Mrs. Giffords' skull in the hospital freezer. As long as this piece remains on ice instead of back on Mrs. Gifford's head where it belongs, she is vulnerable. Once that missing piece is returned to her head, Gabby Giffords will no longer have to worry about infection. I hope the doctors aren't being overcautious about replacing that piece of skull now. Does the brain expand as it regains function? Maybe that explains their reasoning.