Ah so what your saying is after bush the mroon removed saddam we were supposed to annihilate all shia in the mehti army eh. grats on understanding WHY bush is the biggest moron ever

he's POS because what? He resisted an illegal invasion? WHERE THE @!$%# IS THE WMD? Hundred of thousands Iraqi died and millions displaced, and the country is still in ruins.

certain people if taken out can cause 50 times the bloodshed. If he goes about trying to start a civil war again and has a new wave of violence start in Iraq he will be targeted. But if he is taken out then his mass of followers will for sure start a civil war killing different sect Muslims and restarting a nasty insurgency that has at the least waned since peeking 5 years ago or so.

He's a populist, not a fighter. If things get hot again, he'll flee back to his friends in Iran.

MuSlImS Do NoT WaNt PeAcE!!

the smart ones do the others i'm to sure about.most people don't take kindly to being invade by people of a different religious back ground.

They won't let me post an internet link here. you can google this:

Whose god is more vicious?

Take the quiz you will love it. It open your eyes.

I don't know why they won't let me post the link here.

I got peace for ya. A piece of al Sadr's skull laying in the street. There's your Anti-Christ (IslamaNazi style)

I am wary of such news coverage. Is it just news or designed to provoke the American people, and the next thing you know another George W Bush type Republican president is elected with a propaganda campaign to start a war against Iran. Or we have to stay longer in Iraq. Which, of course, feeds millions of dollars to the military industrial complex.

The importance of Al Sadr is that he is a Shi'ite Muslim cleric loyal to Al Khoumeni of Iran. In short, he is an Iraqi Shi'ite Muslim loyal to Iran. Most Americans don't pay attention to the differences in the Muslim world. He is the leader of a rival faction competing with Al Malaki and Shi'ite Muslims loyal to Al Sistani, an Iraqi religious leader.

Here's the bottom line. We are going to have to avoid bankruptcy and leave Iraq and Afghanistan soon. Al Sadr is just another voice among many in Iraq, but its their country. They have to come up with a way to live together as a nation. Because they are saying things against America is not a rational to keep our troops there.

Let's listen to this nut case for once.

All US Armed Forces, along with any other American Citizen (contractor, businessman, etc.) should drop what they are doing, pack up and leave Iraq where there is not an American Citizen in Iraq after a 14 day period.

Also, any US build buildings, supplies, funding, aid, etc. should also be withdrawn. It is hard to remove a building, so demolition would be the easiest solution.

"Also, any US build buildings, supplies, funding, aid, etc. should also be withdrawn. It is hard to remove a building, so demolition would be the easiest solution"

You are gonna lose your security deposit unless you take your garbage with you.

Read this: www.alternet.org/world/149425/

Before we exit IRAQ, we should suck enough of their oil out of the ground to pay for the war. After all we DID get rid of THE WMD...Saddam Hussein. Sure, the country hasn't stabilized; but it would have been long ago if insurgents and radical extremist muslims would have left well enough alone. We (US) would have been gone years ago. The muslim world is tearing itself apart and America gets the bad press. On the upside for all the BIOB (Blame It On Bush) people out there...you will notice that there hasn't been another terroist attack on US soil since the Bush Push started.

Tw1sted and Mountain man;

You are both basically on target; I would add but one thing to keep in mind: i.e., an insurgency, be it Maoist or Islamist or treehugger for that matter, is at its foundations a political struggle (that can happen to utilize the tools of violence and terror) and it remains that - no matter what we think. In this sense then, Al Sadr has moved on to the ground of a 'winner' in the strictest definitions of this type of conflict. Why you ask? Because he has survived with a certain political legitimacy amongst the Shi'a majority within Iraq. The classic definition of how an insurgent power wins is, simply, that it survives and thereby does not lose the political war and, conversely, the definition of a foreign interloper counterinsurgent force losing is that, simply, it does not win the political war. Remember, it is possible to win all the actual battles and lose the war when countering insurgencies. We have to be honest with ourselves and admit that we have a pronounced blindspot when it comes to this sort of conflict: i.e., we seemingly won the actual military battles (although how we conducted Falujah I and then II was an absolute joke [not for the good men who fought there] because it was geared to US domestic politics and the re-elections going on that created the pause) but it is evident, with Iraq pretty much directly under the sway of Iran, that we lost the political war. As I have argued before, better minds would have weighed these possibilities before invading such a 'country' even if it really did have WMD's. The best thing we can do now is put this one down to experience, as we should no longer play al Qaeda's game and so bankrupt our country, and, of course, this time really learn what we did not learn from Vietnam.

I think Dubya's presidency, despite some of the good things he did at home, will be deemed a failure in the historical balance because he chose poorly in the advisers he surrounded himself with when it came to foreign entanglements. Ultimately, these expensive foreign wars have hurt the US economy - (BTW - which was precisley what bin Laden stated was his intended goal, right from the very outset of 9/11).

A powerful cleric whose fearsome militia once battled Americans urged followers Saturday to resist the United States "with all means" in his first public address in Iraq after four years in exile.

Followers gather for Friday prayers in the Sadr City neighborhood in Baghdad, Iraq, near a poster depicting radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

Ah, that religion of peace...wonder what they are praying for??? Oh yeah! Five times a day they curse us by reciting Surah al-Fatihah. Seven short verses, what is the big deal?

1:6. Guide us to the Straight Way

1:7. The Way of those on whom you have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).

They are reminding Allah of how he hates us and wants to burn us. Got a clue yet?

JesterJames...he's POS because what?

I guess reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit?

The fiery Shiite cleric, who abruptly returned from Iran earlier this week, whipped the crowd — some had slept in the street outside his house for days — into a frenzy when he called the U.S., Israel and Britain "our common enemies."

"We are still fighters," al-Sadr said.

Some things will NEVER change!

"We don't kill Iraqis — our hands do not kill Iraqis. We target only the occupier with all the means of resistance," he added.

Really??

Al-Sadr, 37, left Iraq in 2007 for Iran, fleeing arrest in the killing of another cleric. It is unclear how long he'll stay here.

And how many did Saddam kill?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/24/60minutes/main3749494_page6.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Go ahead and TRY to defend him, your naivety is frightening

Sadr is still alive because he ran like a coward to Iran. Just like all terrorist figureheads. He wants them to do his deeds but he is to afraid to die. When he has his assemblies the US should carpet bomb the whole area.

Is it just me or are these Islamic clerics butt-ugly?

Kristian113, you're spot on. They talk the tough talk, but they won't walk the tough walk. Yeah, it's so wonderful to die for Allah, but they won't do it themselves. Riiiiigghhtt.

I think we should just withdraw all our troops, these Nut jobs will need to find someone else to kill and will kill themselves off, look around at these countries if we stay there we give them a reason to unite against us, if we are not there they can't get along, its like the Democrats and Republicans they can't even come together for the good of our people .....

We should have left after getting Saddam, leave these Turds in Their Toliet Bowl they call a Country, we should never rebuild our enemies in the Islamic World.

Richie- We can not leave. I do not know how people can think that if we leave Iraq or Afghanistan is a good idea. I do not want any soldier killed. But if we leave, the BAD GUYS will have a place to coordinate attacks and train. When these leaders come out and promote violence they should suffer that fate. No TRUE RELIGION calls for violence. It is just greedy power hungry cowards that can not fight themselves. Sadr said to only attack the occupiers. But his group was behind MANY innocent civilian deaths. Leaving until the job is done is foolish. Look what happens when you leave without finishing= North Korea. Do you want Afghanistan/Pakistan to keep allowing the Taliban and Al coward and Haqqani to sit in peace as they plan attacks here? That is what will happen.

Paul, you jus broght the FBI down on your head. It ain't legal to threaten the President or recommend his assassination.

As to safety under Bush: there was never a terror attack in the first place. Hence no more attacks. False flag.

Paul very stupid and uncalled for! knock knock its the Secret Service !

We should not even be in Iraq. Frankly, I am tired of being the worlds policeman. We have spent nealry a trillion a year for the past 7 years for this crap. I say pull back, station troops along new bases opened along our southern border which will help stop illegal entry into our country. This well do several things. It will reduce our military budget, reduce illegals, and spur the economy around the new bases.

I could go on and on anout this subject, but I prefer doing it vocally, for i hate typing so much, lol.

I suspect that al-Sadr will bide his time for several months, and then start fighting the Americans just before they leave so he can claim that he 'drove them out'. If he sacrifices many of the lives of his followers for his political ambitions, oh well.

It's clear that Iran controls his strings, and no human sacrifice is too great for the clerics in Iran to flex their muscles.

I dont think they are going to knock....better call Home Depot for a new front door!

The USA never learns a damn thing. These people are not worth the blood of a single soilder of ours. Pick up and leave. Let them dig there own wells, fix there own electrical grid, shovel there own garbarge. Then they can go back to putting their wive's and daughters back in tents, and beat them when they please. You can't SAVE people who are this pathetic, and dreaming so will not make it so. You want a "balanced" budget America? then stop killing people in the middle east and stop "nation building". How's it been working for ya??

Okay for Bush and his thugs to invade over lies. Hes a thug? Anyone who is not trying to get the invaders out of their country is a traitor to their country.

If u dont know who Sadr is then u really need to stop commenting on him. google SADR's father. LEARN what saddam did to his father. then get back to US how he has no interest but to stir a pot.

and relaize u r reading about the Next Leader of Racial Shia Iraq. thanks bush u moron.

I hate to say it but Saddam was the only one who could control all those crazy nut jobs over their

The USA never learns a damn thing. These people are not worth the blood of a single soilder of ours. Pick up and leave. Let them dig there own wells, fix there own electrical grid, shovel there own garbarge. Then they can go back to putting their wive's and daughters back in tents, and beat them when they please. You can't SAVE people who are this pathetic, and dreaming so will not make it so. You want a "balanced" budget America? then stop killing people in the middle east and stop "nation building". How's it been working for ya??

Therefore you are (not so subtly) implying that Iraqis have inferior genes to you? We all know what that attitude led to...

Gotta agree with you there, Roland. As much as Saddam was a pain the butt, he was never really a threat after we kicked his vaunted Republican Guard out of Kuwait. Why we invaded in 2003 is still a mystery to me and one I hold G.W. Bush completely accountable for. That country will never embrace democracy and we're kidding ourselves if we think otherwise.

Just another one of G Ws historic blunders that put our own security at risk. Don't see many Teabaggers complaining about the hundreds of billions spent fighting and rebuilding in Iraq. Only complaints about a new healthcare law that provides care for our own citizens. Shame on the narrow-minded right!

Well here's the new free Iraq Bush created.

Oh well at least his buddies made lots of money.

He was a f$$$$$g moron.

Hes using freedom of speech. Is that not why we invaded their country to give them rights? Wonder how much the US has offered him to shut up and be a good US puppet? Nice to see there are some in the world that cannot be bought and paid for with US dollars. Warning to every country in the world either you accept the american way or we will invade you and kill women children and men all in the name of God.

So, after the "WMD" argument was revealed as false, and we had found and hanged Sadaam, our stated mission in Iraq was "democracy building". I wonder if we'll respect the election where this alSadr cat is elected to president of Iraq.

We need to learn some lessons when they're presented to us. Remember when the Palestinians elected Hamas as their legitimate government? These people (Muslims) will democratically choose repression rather than freedom, because they want it. The cultural divide in thought is one that the West will not overcome.

We need to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan. Before we leave, though, we should make it clear that any further terrorist attacks on our country that can be proven to have been aided and abetted by anyone in these two countries will result in our turning the whole nation into a sheet of radioactive glass.

gntdery
Can you check my prostate please?

So the coward comes crawling back after four years. I want the world to hear me as well. This haired over,ugly, knuckle dragging son of a b*tch should have been rubbed out six years ago.

Why are we still there? Time to cut our losses and get out of Dodge.

Why Why Why Why ?????????????????

This POS has much American blood on his hands? You explain what are afraid of this agent of Iran so much he gets off with murdering the moderate western leaning leading Cleric above his little butt the warrants are issued my our command for his arrest he barricades himself in a Mosque garrison full of weapons when One 5,000 pound bomb would take him out. We do nothing but sent in ground forces to lose X amount of lives and he garners ever more power and influence for his supporter Iran. Why is he still alive? How much American troop Blood does he have on his hands? Who is gaining by keeping him alive and boasting of his-even virtually spitting on the graves of our lost troops, he might as well take a leak on the graves for all that the command structure cares. Yet, he serves a purpose to keep the war going keep the war profiteers in business yeah he serves a higher purpose. They say to always follow the money and that is the plausible excuse I can fathom for not taking this POS out with one bomb. Why Why Why Why ?????

So is this guy so stupid he doesn't comprehend the fact most of our troops are gone and ther rest are phasing out? Well, he is a muslim (Neanderthal) after all. What's the highest his IQ could possible be? 35?

Who wants to bet with me that we don't leave Iraq by the end of the year? Obama would have come up with some reason to keep troops there.

they fail to realize; they have started great harm to us, pre + 911..they Came upon Us as Invaders with Act of War..what goes around, comes around..if they Choose to Live in the in the; Dark Ages/ Dark Side, let them be..But as Long as they Continue to threaten and Attack Us; We Will Defend Our Principles......

persevere--why do you ask the question, why? so much? Why, Why, Why?

Whether we should be in Iraq or not, we are there. Does anyone know what it is like to sit in the Oval office and make these decisions. Bush did not want to send thousands of soldiers to die. Saddam was playing a game. Just like that ding dong in North Korea. I am thankful that Bush did decide that OUR security was important enough to go into Iraq. I wish he had better intelligence reports though. He made some very tough decisions that many of you would not make.

sandtrich - sorry for my belated response I hope you find my response

The repetition of the same sounds or of the same kinds of sounds at the beginning of words or in stressed syllables in Modern alliteration is predominantly consonantal though the technique of repetitive use of a word is now is acceted usage or practice in none academic work.
I don’t have the time to look up the technical term for the repetitive use of the same word but remember the rules of modern English grammar no longer apply as we have freed ourselves for the most part to write for effect, it is the new modality of English usage and the rule is there are no rules. This type of writing “posting” no matter what the pedantic say you are free.

I was trying to find my copy of Derrida's “Grammatology” which has a wonderful and powerful paragraph which addresses your question of modern English grammar that I need only copy that paragraph for you I cannot find it. I will let you look up his work. I repeat the word for emphasis, poetry and just utilize a common technique of the “post modern writer”. I could pull some books from my small library and write a very long post justifying this technique this is not a proper college English grammar course we are involved in we are posting to make a point and have our message penetrate the mental shield man erects to ward off new ideas or ideas contrary to his polished and hardened ideology so I use in this instance this technique.

I am not seeking a grade you are not my professor I am no student I only seek to impress on you the gist of my thought so expressed. Forgive me if the grammarian side of your mind finds this offensive it does not matter that is only your manifestation of your frame of reference rejecting but only I hope you have read my material which is all I seek your grammatical approval means nothing to me what I want is your attention. Again, your grammatical disapproval means nothing to me. I hope I have partially answered your question though you may not approve of my technique.

Have great evening I apologize for my belated reponse as I have been busy and I should have returned but I have returned sooner and answered your question. I hope you return and offer up your opinion, which I suspect will be disapproval, so be it.

Have great evening and Good Luck

we lost Iraq when bush the moron removed Saddam.

We lost Iraq when you the lib moron didn't support your country.

We never had Iraq and we never had a legitimate reason to be there. Ever word he said in the article made sense to me. We need to get out. He also said support the government if they serve the people. Somebody likes him and I can see why.

We got the oil, we got Saddam, we got his boys, we got 80% of his Hench men ...you got goats and a Cowardback from hiding in Iran. even as losers the U.S. is a over achiever OH !!! did i mention all the rubble you got that too

Barney, Betty or Bam Bam?

oh no;;; not the flintstones..

actually smove ... China got the oil in Iraq and the rare earth minerals in Afghanastan (China is leaving some for Japan who now have exclusive rights to China's left over rare earth metals in Afghanastan) .... thanks to the unrest in the ME, oil prices have soared again making wall st happy, and the US now owes China & Japan ALOT ... for the next few generations at least.

Oh, almost forgot ... the Middle east is so unstable now, Israel should have no problems reclaiming that land between the Nile River and the Euphrates River. That is the land the bible states God gave them ... not merely that smudge on the map we currently call Israel.

This is the 2nd Principle of 18 Principals of Rebirth that Avraham Stern laid out the ideology of Lehi - the terrorist group that assassinated British and UN representatives in Israel prior to Israel becoming a nation. This terrorist group has an Israeli milatary ribbon of honor named for it and Israel's 1983 Pm was one of the leaders of this internationally recognized terror group.

Principle 2: The homeland:

The homeland in the Land of Israel within the borders delineated in the Bible ("To your descendants, I shall give this land, from the River of Egypt (the Nile River) to the great Euphrates River." Genesis 15:18

Since the Israelis are claiming their rights to "the land given to them in covenanat by God in the bible" ... and we have heard them stating this thinking they meant what they have, and what should be Palestine ... reread it. They intend to claim all of the land from the banks of the Nile to the banks of the Euphrates, wiping out a chunk of Egypt, the majority of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Jordan and most of the Arab nations like Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc.

lmao ...are we Americans that stupid as to spit on our US Constitution and American way of life to kill and detroy nations for the interests of both oil companies and a Theocratic Apartheid country striving for "racial purity" through intensive inbreeding to create a "superhuman" race and expansion so its size rivals that of the USA while wiping out sovereign nations.

PS, this comes the Jewish holybook, written by Jewish men about a promise made to the Jewish by God. If God, the Almighty, really wanted them to have this land, he wouldnt have ordered the genocide of the Cannanites, God would have merely "clocked them out" of this life like a boss does his workers. Death is death ... and God doesnt need a man to fumble what is an art for him.

The Jews hadnt had a right to that land since it was conquered by the Romans and taken from them until their agreement with Britain giving them the pre-1967 lands (but given the terrorism commited against both Britain and the UN by the Lehi group, I'd say that agreement was made under "duress" which would make it null and void)

This from a recently received e-mail:

The Next War from Russia's perspective

The Next War...

The commanding officer at the Russian military academy (the equivalent of a 4-Star general in the U.S.) gave a lecture on potential problems and military strategy. At the end of the lecture, he asked if there were any questions.

An officer stood up and asked, "Will there be a third world war? And will Russia take part in it?"

The general answered both questions in the affirmative.

Another officer asked, "Who will be the enemy?"

The general replied, "All indications point to China ."

Everyone in the audience was shocked.

A third officer remarked, "General, we are a nation of only 150 million, compared to the 1.5 billion Chinese. Can we win at all, or even survive?"

The general answered, "Just think about this for a moment:

In modern warfare, it is not the quantity of soldiers that matters but the quality of an army's capabilities. For example, in the Middle East we have had a few wars recently where 5 million Jews fought against 150 million Arabs, and Israel was always victorious."

After a small pause, yet another officer - from the back of the auditorium asked, "Do we have enough Jews?"..........

I'll point to this also:

http://politics.newsvine.com/_news/2010/09/23/5162174-obama-killing-israelis-is-not-resistance?commentId=17796820#c17796820

Oh right, it's the lib moron's fault we "lost" Iraq.

Whatever.

Recycled Hope,

That's what happens when we are on top that mountain pounding our chest and not watching our Corporate America, remember these countries did not sneak in and take everything, someone handed it to them on a silver platter ......

Just lost Iraq? Hardly. We lost Iraq when we removed Sadam--along with that, the US lost the cushy "oil for food" program and a no fly zone in that country. Bush destabilized the entire MidEast with that war and it was brought about with fake intel.

Conservatism never bears fruit because it's all about regression as opposed to progress. I remind you again: You would still be kissing the feet of the Crown had it not been for Liberals.

How will history judge Mr Bush? It depends on who gets to write the history. In history books in the South they will make him a hero. The reality is--he was an insane bible thumping war profiteer.

Richie, the entire mideast nationalized oil years ago. Each country had a different way of using the wealth. Some for the people, most for the royals, some to build thier own military machines. Your liberal green machine has kept the US from mining and drilling our own reserves and now want to blame corporate America for creating unstable countries while driving the jobs and wealth offshore. We pay for your sentiments with blood and sweat. Our govt lives in fear of losing control over oil in the mideast because of our stupidity in congress and the voting booth. Our security and future are comprimised by the likes of you.

Sandtrich, you got one thing right. The mideast destabilized when Hussien fell. As for your revisionist progressive version of the American Revolution the perps were far more like the tea party you probably dispise. If they had been like today's liberals we would be still paying the crown unless of course the Axis had won.

Support what rooster? Chenney and friends lining their pockets. The only WMDs Saddam had we gave him during his war with Iran. Saddam, kept guys like Al-Sadr and the wing-nut in Iran in line. He actually brought stability to the region.

The American Revolution was a liberal idea. The Axis was fascist = money.

I thought that Sadr would ultimately gain power. Too bad it took so much suffering for it to transpire. All you armchair warriors that were so eager to invade Iraq happy with your outcome?

For god's sake, enough with the fake intel BS. Just about every other country in the world's intel said that Iraq had WMD's. And they did- documents released by Wikileaks confirmed this fact- not that the far left leaning media would pick up on it. And what do you fools think was being transported to Syria on those convoys just before we invaded Iraq- toiletpaper?!?! If Bush had not given the UN time, like they asked, before the invasion the convoys never would have reached Syria...

Never has a son of a slaim father by their leader wanted to or gained power of that very country. palin stupid award to all.

bush the moron diverted the troops needed for Afghanistan to Iraq for no reason at all and now we are starting to see just how stupid it was. ANYONE that knows this region KNEW this was the outcome. why didnt bush the moron?

Rooster, this lib / conservative crap is getting really old dude. This war was a joke from the beginning, and koooks like you that think that "WE" made a difference over there, makes you a "dreamer". Dreaming and doing are two different things. I suppose you think Vietnam was important too? Hell, let's go kick butt in Yemen too, the move on over to the Sudan. Warmongers like you can always find a fight, but lately just can't WIN one. Masters of WAR enough!!

neelyrulz your statements are the facts about wmd.

Recycled Hope or do we call you Fayd for short???

Your research is at best dubious if not flat out wrong or a series of lies. You're making assumptions, misquoting scripture and in general letting your antisemitism distort truth, reality, and fact from your world of fiction.

Israel has never made claim to the lands between the Nile and the Euphrates. The boundaries of the Nation of Israel were established initially by the Leaque of Nations and approved by the United Nations culminating in the birth of the nation of Israel on 14 May 1948. On 15 May 1948 - 5 Arab nations invaded Israel - they were of course defeated. Since 1948 Israel has been attacked and fought and won 7 wars against their Arab neighbors to include: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan. Since 1948 the Israeli nation has fougt a sustained terrorist war funded by the PLO, Iran, Iraq, the Soviet Union (at that time) and Syria.

Its laughable to use terms such as aparthied or theocratic when referring to Israel. The country have a parliamentary form of GVT with democratic principles. All of their citizens have the franchise to vote to include their muslim arab citizens. Israel has never practiced any form of aparthied - consider the fact that in a nation of 7.6 million Israeli "citizens", 22% of those "citizens" are muslim arabs and exercise their right vote. The muslim Arab community is representated in the Israeli parliament (18 seats) and has 2 portfolios in the current GVT.

In contrast the 10 Arab nations in the region have persecuted, imprisoned, murdered and raped their citizens of jewish faith. In 1967 there were 284,000 citizens of these arab nations that were of the Jewish faith - today there are a total of 7,000 remaining in these 10 country's - now that is an example of aparthied, also none of these unbeleivers have the right to vote, own property or to engage in business - their places of worship have been destroyed.

Want a country that is a theocratic GVT look no further than Iran - radical muslim cleric rule, control and govern that country paying lip service to their "elected" GVT. Might want to compare life under Sharia law with the rule of law established in Israel - might be interesting to see which culture you would prefer living under.

bspurloc: You neither know the region, its history, it geograpy or its dynamics. You have misrepresented (lied) about the intelligence that was available during the period leading up to the US involvement in Iraq.

There simply exists too much evidence about the existence of the WMD in Iraq, you failed to mention (oversight perhaps??)) that a fair amount of WMD were actually located and destroyed US forces during the invasion and in the months after the occuation. It is also true that the vast majority of WMD were transported to Syria shortly before the invasion and remain in Syria today.

Read the wikileaks stolen documents - its about as far left of an organization as exists today under the guise of being a media resource - they even confirm the existence of WMD in Iraq.

So rather than go off on one of your uninformed tirades about a topic you know little or nothing about - take the time to do some research - you will be AMAZED how knowledge can actually be a reality check.

@neelyruiz - the "Far left leaning media" as you call it, is a fiction created by right wingers that maintains an existence due to the paranoid streak existent in many on the right. I offer as corroboration the fact that the New York TImes - bastion of the so called 'Far left leaning media" led the drumbeat for war for the Bush White House.

Ternan

"WMD" stands for "Weapons of Mass Destruction". Pretty much anything beyond a 155 mm artillery shell falls into this class. The "WMD"s that were waved about as justification for invading Iraq were supposedly dangerous beyond Iraq's borders - the American public was purposely misled into believing Sadaam could project force beyond his own borders.

The "WMD" found and destroyed in Iraq by American troops were limited to small quantities of mustard and sarin gas artillery shells. There were no nuclear weapons, there were no hydrogen weapons, there were no biological weapons. There was nothing Sadaam could use to threaten anyone other than his own citizens, and, sorry as I am to say this, that wasn't worth one American dollar or a single drop of American blood.

The "WMDs transported to Syria" is a blatant lie. American and UN troops had closed the border to Syria since Operation Desert Storm in 1991. Do you think they would relax a 12-year vigil just enough to wave through a convoy of tanker trucks?

Here's the truth, unpalatable as it is. Dick Cheney, acting in the best interests of Halliburton, convinced GWB that Sadaam had done him and his daddy wrong, and that it would be "slam dunk" invasion. Good for the standing in the polls, good to flex some American muscle in that part of the world, good for oil profits, and, yeehah! good for TEXAS!!

Remember Rumsfeld promising our troops would be greeted with "flowers and chocolates"? Well, they were greeted with IEDs and insurgency. Rummy also promised "Iraqi oil revenue will pay for the war". How did that turn out? Have you fueled your car lately?

Don't try to distort what happened or why. The American public was bullied into supporting a war wih Iraq by traitors to our country. Those traitors were George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, and the chief mastermind, Dick Cheney. If this was the country our forefathers envisioned, they would stand trial, answer for the NEEDLESS and WASTED death of every American soldier who died in Iraq, and hang by the necks until they were dead, dead, dead. Instead, they get to write their memoirs, and put their "reconstruction" profits in banks in the Caymans.

I saw it happen. We all did. If you choose to ignore what went down right before your eyes, so be it.

Can someone remind me why we're in Iraq? And why 'Defense' got $95B RAISE?!

Saddam had NOTHING to do with WTC 9/11, he hated the Saudis who planned it,

financed, and carried it out along with rogue elements of PNAC and our own DoD.

Cheney has already been proven a TRAIT0R, with his false 'WMD's and his false

counterfeit 'yellow cake' letter, and outing an active CIA agent who was head of

WMDs investigation in Baghdad, he threw our CIA folks under his PNAC Chariot.

And Saddam is dead a long time now. What are 50,000 troops even doing there,

except taking US INCOME TAX FREE EXPATRIATE SALARIES OFF OUR SAVINGS!

LOOTING!!! LOOTING!!! Eli, Boy ... drained dry, I'm so sorry. ('There Will Be Billary')

Boo hoo hoo. Whose children are we going to use for target practice now? At this rate, even Afghani kids are going to become scarce fun.

Just remember Mr. Wizard that many dumocrats sat in on the advisory committees on the war. Like John Murtha and Pelosi and Kerry and etc.

Now pull you're head out of your backside brain stem and move on from Bush and get frickin job and be productive. Your Brilliant tacticians in charge haven't faired much better you clown.

I disagree with the guy that can't spell poop.

The Bush Family (Bush sr. and Bush jr.) left so many poisoned pills and national land mines for America to step in and suffer it is going to take decades to weave thru them in the years ahead.

The situation in Afghanistan pre-staged by Bush sr. in Pakistan, all of the covert depravity in Central and South America creating a problem which is entirely kept out of the western media as South America distances itself from it's long relationship with America.

Iran's inside Iraq's government in all areas which is going to pull Iraq away from America in the near future, the Egyptian people are very unhappy with nearby Israel, Israel turned on longtime ally Turkey last year and Turkey is distancing itself from it's relationship with America as well as with Israel.

Entirely in the background is the very small group of individuals who ended up with 14 Trillion dollars in a very short period of time when the world's stockmarket took a massive series of plunges, all that money didn't disappear, it went to a small group that knew that would happen. Now there appears to be a very dedicated attack on entire Western nations economy by someone other than the American linked IMF who has used it's monetary clout to torpedo nations economy's before, now it's someone else with a hidden agenda.

There is plenty to blame on Bush-Cheney and still will be in the decades to come!

This is moronic hate-speech.

where is the stupid love-speech at...mikey likes it... these folks are hostile..

All you people that say we should move past Bush remind me of Homer SImpson who after a particularly egregrious stunt would tell Marge, "Sure, we can play the blame game all day, but wouldn't it be better to just move on?"

Rooster - The Republicans controlled the flow of info. That said, Kerry, in my opinion, lost the 2004 election when he said he still would have invaded Iraq. I The Democrats did not do their duty as a party in reference to the Iraq invasion.

Kerry lost the election because he was a lousy candidate. Take it from someone who lives in Massachusetts and sees on a daily basis what do nothing buffoon he really is...

bspurloc: nothing illegal about our war in Iraq, resolutiuon for military invasion was approved by the Congress and Senate of the United States with an overwhelming majority in both houses. Those voting in support include pelosi, Kerry sand the rest of the liberal left of the Demoicratic party. Check out the Congressional record.

I know how inconvenient the truth, facts and reality are for you when your on one of your uninformative tirades.

Good for him to get the countries to all work together against a bully (USA). To bad someone could not of done the same with the American Indian. Hope Iran does get nukes and hands them out to all these countries to keep the US from invading. One thing about the US you cannot trust them. Bush got into office and invaded over lies. 2 years from now a different president could come in and decide to start another invasion. We make treaties and then break them when this country feels like it. No nation in the world should ever trust this country. The people are to easily brainwashed.

Do you actually think that The Bush Administration gave Congress "the truth"? They sifted through intel and selected what Congress would see. You can paint those pigs, (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, etc), any color you want---still pigs. Chickenhawks.

Once you idiots admit you actually lost the Presidential elections and fall in line, act like Americans instead of petulant children... then maybe, just maybe - we'll stop bringing up the obvious flaws in leadership which sent us down the path of chasing WMD's when the real culprit was formulating bigger, more complex assaults in relative obscurity.

... Just remember Mr. Wizard that many dumocrats sat in on the advisory committees on the war. Like John Murtha and Pelosi and Kerry and etc.

Now pull you're head out of your backside brain stem and move on from Bush and get frickin job and be productive. Your Brilliant tacticians in charge haven't faired much better you clown...

i totally agree. can you imagine any "non-muslim" wanting to visit say....Pakistan lol. i cringe when i go into walmart and see the head to toe veiled women and i know they will never understand what being an AMERICAN is all about. you are right.

When you see these women all covered up, HIT ON THEM! Heck yes! Wink at them, tell them they are "HOT". Then when the goofy bearded, cowardly, subhuman, sand trash man has something to say to you.....punch him in his face until you break your hand. I hate these people........

You are right, John. Iraq didn't invade us, and I don't think we should have invaded them.

Muslims ARE against America; welcome to Earth, it is clear you are not from here making a statement like that. Soldiers are NOT doing what they want or they would be GOING HOME and leaving that $hit hole behind!

We "white" people do NOT wipe our a$$es with our hands, subhuman sand trash do. They stink so bad it is hard to be around them; they are disgusting.

Saddam was never a Muslim. He led a secular, socialist political party. Toward the end, he was indeed beholden to the radical islamists tostay in power.

at the very end he had a soap on a rope attitude...

John: God hope that you do not live in the USA. The worst trash on the planet ? IMO Islam. In what other religion or country do you not see women in a place of worship or in the general public ?

from John-2884146:

You white people are the worst trash to ever exist on this planet

From This is America today!

Then when the goofy bearded, cowardly, subhuman, sand trash man has something to say to you.....punch him in his face until you break your hand. I hate these people........

Hitler - from Mein Kampf:

...the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.

Anybody see the parallels besides myself?

It's because of people like you, we got into this stupid war.

It's because of people like you, we lost the war.

Al Sadr may be a 'piece of work' but he is extremely dangerous because he appeals to so many people. (makes one wonder why Islamic people always go for brutal leaders)

There is a good possibility he'll end up taking over Iraq through a democratic vote and could be as brutal as Saddam ever was.

He's worth watching closely.

You hate to see women in Wal Mart wearing thie veils and you cringe. Media has done a great job of spreading hate against the muslims. Reminds me of what the Black Americans had to go through for decades. This country gets more scary ever day with people like you. Are you a member of the KKK or Nqazi Party? If you are not you should be and a lot of the rest of you.

This Iraqi Cleric stated the same before he went back to Iran for more Islamic training. Kind of shows the world how long lasting the CIA-SAVAK torture of the Iranian people ends up in the form of serious blow-back on America. That was 30 years ago and there's still a lot of very angry Iranian's who lost family members who simply spoke out against the Shah of Iran and were tortured to death by the CIA and the Shahs secret terror force, SAVAK.

Hello--Newman. I guess the nutcase didn't have all that protection from shoe throwers that Bush did. "If" I believed in capital punishment--Bush/Cheney/Rove would meet that fate.

How many years since the '79 Revolution? I feel for the Iranian people because they are now in even a more difficult condition. The current repression is even worse during the time of the Shah and we have our hands off other than sanctions. My point being let's not be too hasty in implicating how negatively our involvement was during the Shah. Left to their own, the Iranian situation has become even more dire. Sad to see.

John, you are what is the problem in this country. You don't even know what you are saying but talk away you will. WMD's, who knows and who cares. We are there now....big mistake for sure. Make no mistake, this is a war, Islam has declared war and there will be soooo much more blood.

John, can you PROVE they were not? Or are you just that anti-American? I hope you don't live here. If you don't we don't care what you have to say. If you do, please leave and go to these countries you love so much and see how well you do there.

They can't forgetthat the US and UK went after Saddam and his WMD, which were taken to Syria under cover of darkness.

countrygirl - I have never seen ANY creditable evidence that Saddam managed to secretly smuggle his supposed stores of illicit weapons into Syria before our invasion.

It would be curious too, to find he would so trust the Syrian government, when just over 10 years before Syria had participated in U.S. orchestrated liberation of Kuwait. It would be ridiculous to suppose a paranoid, megalomaniac like Saddam would later trust this country to hold these weapons secretly in store for him.

In short, it is a silly idea, which supporters of our Iraq invasion cling to because otherwise they would have to admit there was absolutely no good reason to be there and that George W. Bush was just a horse's ass in a cowboy hat.

John, can you PROVE they were not?

Ippster - can you offer any proof (not rumors) that they were (smuggled into Syria)?

Maybe little green men from Mars took them away in flying saucers.

One can postulate anything if one does have to offer proof.

It would be curious too, to find he would so trust the Syrian government, when just over 10 years before Syria had participated in U.S. orchestrated liberation of Kuwait

On top of that little factoid, does anyone recall how Saddam Hussein came to be the president of Iraq?

He had spent several decades building a power base, and was the Right-Hand Man of the then President in Iraq. The President was elderly and ill, so for several years, Saddam was the face of Iraqi politics, and many considered him the de-facto leader in Iraq. His then President announced an agreement in 1979 that would have merged Iraq and Syria into one country, and the Leader in Syria would have become the second in command in Iraq, (to take over when the President died,) effectively stripping Saddam of his power.

At this point Saddam staged a quiet Coup, and announced himself as President. As most of Iraq already considered him the real leader behind the President, it was quite easy to do.

Saddam Hussein has long held a deep seated hatred and distrust for Syria,as a result of his almost losing power to them. Implying that he would turn over his WMD's to Syria is tantamount to saying that the US could have turned over our nuclear stockpile to the USSR at the height of the Cold War. Yea right.

What a cluster f...

Indeed.

You said it.....you're a good American!

Hey John, how 'bout you take your dumb black ass and that chip on your shoulder and GTF out of the US. We don't need you or your type. That racist drivel you keep spewing about how bad white people are is annoying. It shows that you are not objective, and nothing more than a mean hateful little punk you are. There are millions of people banging down the door to live here in a predominantly white America. And to those who are productive and play well with others I saw "welcome." To turds like you, I say "get the hell out!".

VRW: Well said.

John, Racist statements aren't going to get you very far.

VRWC, Racist statements back aren't helping either.

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Two of the very few statements I've reported. Both of you, discuss the Iraqi Cleric, or go somewhere else and do your bullying elsewhere. We don't need you. I find both statements repulsive.

I don't know of any Muslim extremist leaders who have the courage to fight with their own hands. They ALL brainwash their neighbors child to do the dying for them.

Dune Finkleberry,

I find your feet trampling the 1st amendment repulsive. Who cares if these two want to speak their mind. Even if you do not agree or find it disturbing censorship is not the answer.

Rooster- maybe he is like most religious leaders. They love to send the other fellow.

You said it.....you're a good American!

A good Ameryan, amirite?

Words were never so true.

sounds like the persident and vice president son a combat veteran

"This fat bastard doesn't even do any fighting! He calls on everyone else to do it for him."

Who does that remind me of?????.....Um, can't think of it. The name is right on the tip of my.....Ch...Cha....Chan...CHENEY. DICK CHENEY! That's it, Dick Cheney.

why would you want to kill a bunch of innocent people.....don't remember the people of iraq doing anything 911 or being a threat to americans.before we invaded their country.

Actually I think a better solution would be for the United States to pull ALL forces from every nation. Bring all our equipment home. Stop all aid regardless who it is. Wall up the boarders. Stop ALL imports and exports. Prohibit ANYONE from entering or leaving the country ofter all Non citizens are removed and sent home. Support ourselves , live with what we have here and refuse to get involved in any world problems.

After a very few years and the cleansing that will occur ,the people who hate America and Americans so much will understand just how much we do to better their lives. Even our enemies will appreciate us more.

Actually you are pretty close to how i feel about all of this. Stopping anyone from enter or leaving the country, Or ending all import/export, however, is maniacal and no better than the dictators of the middle east.

one small problem with it. When Gasoline hits 10-15 dollars a gallon, And you can't even buy a cheap toy at walmart for less than 50 bucks, how long do you think your little world boycott will last?

As far as pulling out and cutting off all aid to these people who don't want us in their country, sounds good to me. They have been screaming for decades they don't want us in their country. Fine, lets pack up and leave. and when a flood hits, or a drought creates famine, and they come to us for help, our response can be,"You wanted us out, so we are staying out. Best of luck to you."

But the only way this can ever be feasible, is for us to find a source of energy OTHER than oil. And I am afraid that the major oil corporations, and the politicians they buy, are not going to allow that to happen until every last drop of oil has been sucked from the planet.

We need to devise a viable alernative to fossil fuel, then distribute it around the world, so when their oil becomes worthless, the entire Middle East can revert back to throwing rocks a one another.

We actually have plenty of oil available here in the continental US and Alaska to last for a century or so easily. By blocking imports we would then for manufacturing jobs back to the US and incomes would rise. The cost ot manufacture here is not that far out of line with the cost to make things in China or India and ship them here. Because of the volumn of goods we buy it becomes more practical to move the work offshore. If it were so much cheaper to make things over there then we should have seen prices drop dramatically. Higher profits were the main drive in leaving not profitability itself. If the companies that moved over there were not profitable they wouold not have had the money to invest billions in India, China,Viet Nam and so forth. Beancounters showed on paper higher profits by moving and CEO's saw bigger bonuses.

If this hypothetical change were to take place China would also be forced to bring the value of their money to a more realistic figure. They continue to keep it devalued to steal our jobs and other countries jobs with lower labor costs that are artificially deflated. They are not playing fair and need to be put in their place now before they gain too much of the worlds resources. It is time we forced our elected officials to take actions to protect us as a country and not do the "right" thing so to speak. I say if your gonna import a product that was once produced here you had better be doing it by the same standards we have to abide by.

Of course this will never happen. We will never close our borders or ports. It is time for a new America though. One that demands "fair trade" practices from countries we do business with or exclude them.

Our manufacuring costs here are massively higher than in other countries. When I was in Afghan, we were hiring local workers to do rebuilding and interpretation. One interpreter I worked with told me the US was paying him almost $500 a month, and he didn't know what to do with all of his money. He was filthy rich by his neighbors' standards. How can we compete with a worker willing to accept that kind of wage?

The community I live in has seen many textile manufacturing jobs move overseas. The company goes from paying $15-$25 an hour per employee, to $1 or even less per hour. But as they know that the US Market is accustomed to paying a certain price for their product, this reduced production cost does not reflect in retail prices. The end result is a massive gain in net profits. That is why they move overseas. The cost of shipping and import taxes make only a small dent in the savings. If it were not profitable, they would not move.

If we were to impede imports, some of these companies will come back to the US, I agree. That will increase jobs in the US. However, now that they are accustomed to those higher profit margins, they will simply increase retail cost so they can maintain their level of greed. The beancounters will show the CEO how to maintain those bigger bonuses. So we will have new jobs, but will not be able to afford the products we normally consume, when consumption falls, production falls, and we lose jobs all over again. Or worse, many companies may just stay with foreign markets. China and India are quickly becoming consumer economies, like us, but have massively larger populations, resulting in every attractive markets to some companies. Then we don't get the new jobs, and prices again will go up, because of the reduction in supply.

Even companies that now operate inside the US are forced to keep retail costs lower than they would like, to compete with foreign competitors. Remove that competition, and prices will soar.

You actually touched on a better solution. Fair Trade Practices. NAFTA MUST be abolished. The import taxes we charge should be in line with the export taxes we are charged.

glad some besides me see's the problem.

Did you vote for Obama? He and his cronies are a puppet regime to Wall Street and the Federal Reserve. The media tricked a lot of people into voting for him because they are run by his puppet masters.

Democrats are the puppets of wall street, Republicans are the puppets of major Pharmas and Oil, so basically, both are scum, and should be banned from participating in our government

I agree with nearly everything you say. However you are sadly wrong in a couple of places.

"our big corporate companies are leaving the United States because these other countries is where the money and product demand is."

This is a result of NAFTA; free trade it was called. All it did was allow American companies to give American jobs to people in countries who would be happy earning $1 an hour or less in some cases. THEN they are allowed to bring that product back here and expect the American worker who lost his job to some third world worker to buy the product.

"Unions have priced out the job market and destroyed the American Dream."

If it were not for unions there would be NO vacation, 40 hour work week, over time pay, and soooooo many more things you take for granted. If NAFTA had never been passed all the jobs would still be here. There was a day when a union worker could be the only bread winner in the family, not any more. You had better thank a union every time you have a day off of work, pal. There were NO worker rights until organized labor came around.

The problem I think that he has with unions is that they started off good then they became greedy. Having worked in a union shop they protect the bad workers and the good ones have to work extra for the bad ones. I would go to work and watch several people stand around ignoring their job while I would have to bust tail to get my job done and theirs done so we all could leave on time. The implementations that unions originally brought us are great. Now they have become another corporation that wants to take your money, do as little for you as it has to (yes I went to my weekly union meetings) and tells you how to vote.

Look in the mirror Republican...that is where the blame lies , from Ronnie R with his trickle down lies to Bush with his WMD lies. Greed is Republican, stupidity is Republican, war is Republican. Need I say more. Try Grampa Bush who liked Hitler soo much. We are broke...Thank you Republicans. Any more suggestions?

Like Kennedy didn't almost start WWIII? Like Roosevelt wasnt in office during WWII? Truman for Korea? Johnson for Vietnam? Wow, bigger wars and started by Democrats? Guess you have no clue about who really does what robertlevy! You need to check facts before opening your mouth.

Talk about greed? What house speaker required her own jet to fly across country? PELOSI...a DEMOCRAT. Who taxes the middle class so you poor can continue to leach of the government? DEMOCRATS! It is the Democrats that are to blame for our issues. No, I did not like Bush Jr, nor did I vote for him. But I despise democrats!

Ahh, Ippster, Excellent point! More, and bigger wars have been started by Democrats. Despite that, we all seem to think that the Republicans are the war-mongers. Why is that? My personal opinion is, this comes from decades of Republican campaign tactics of trying to paint Democrats as weak, and unable or unwilling to defend our nation. This rhetoric stems from Democratic opposition in the latter stages of Vietnam, a war they themselves started.

Although i disagree with your point about taxing the middle class. What we all just witnessed, was a Democrat President trying to extend tax cuts for the middle class, while letting them expire for the elite. The Republicans fought tooth and nail against this, saying they would rather have everyones taxes go up. To prevent middle class taxes from raising, the president agreed to let the wealthy, who need tax cuts the least, have their cake, and eat it too.

So a more accurate statement would have been: Who taxes the middle and poor classes, so the Upper Class can put even more in their pockets? Republicans!

Who deregulates business to the point that a single CEO, who does little to no work, produces nothing and contributes zip to society, can make 800 million a year in salary, plus several HUNDRED BILLION in bonuses and perks every year even though the company went bankrupt, and had to be bailed out with Billions in taxpayer money by President Bush? Republicans! (That is not a "Blame Bush" attack, just a simple statement of what happened. Bush initiated the bail-outs that Obama continued, whether Republicans want to admit it or not.)

I feel the same as you, sort of, I think Democrats stink, but Republicans are worse, only by a very small margin. I personally hate them both.

Democrats steal from the rich and give to the poor.

Republicans steal from the poor and give to the rich.

Both are reprehensible, but which is honestly worse?

Bob B

(Bullet Head?) You have the same thing in any work environment; where it manifests may be different. It is a small percentage in either grouping that ruins it for the many. I worked union (Grain Millers/Teamsters) for 20 years. The vast majority of employees were hard working deserving people who would otherwise suffer the abuses of a competitive employer. When businesses say "We have to compete." you can bet the comptetition is against labor. With the labor markets what they are I guess you can say that business competed successfully, with millions of unemployed.

You are right......however, we must prepare for these people here at home more than ever. Islam prays on depressed, impoverished people. The will attack when we are down. It is coming, there is no stopping it. We have too many people in this country who have an "extremist" view of the constitution; they want to grant it's rights to even those who want to destroy it, those who hide behind the rights it grants them while attacking from within.

Islam is taking off in the US prisons, the poor African nations that are embarrassing this heathen religion have kids walking around hacking off peoples arms because they are not Muslim, this is a fact.

John, you are the problem in this county. You are the kind of person who freezes when under physical attack, aren't you? I hope you feel the effects of terrorism first hand, a loved one, friend, anyone you care about. You will change your tune then, coward.

This Is America: John is starting to sound like an American Indian that I know. You think ?

"Islam doesn't prey on anyone . . ." Unless you count women, or anyone who doesn't worship allah (I will no longer capitalize the name of these pigs' imaginary friend).

John, you should have finished school. Any school.

Have you read the old testament? It is also filled with nonsense where we are told God promoted all kinds of slaughter of people that were not Jewish.

We don't need to defend the Enir of Kuwait, the Saudi royal family or anyones' religion. That includes Israel. Bring our troops home. If we build our defence here and stay out of other countries I think we would be very unlikely to be attacked. If we were then go all out. We need to be promoting disarmarment and peace instead of being a threat.

You want to call that stuff "NONSENSE" it is up to you but I don't see anyone going around laying old testament slaughter on anyone. And yes, I know what is in the old testament, and it is NOTHING like what I've posted. STOP DEFENDING THESE PEOPLE!!

Funny how they believe their God created Earth, with its many majestic wonders, and yet they believe a load of @!$%# preaching to kill anyone who isn't their own. Makes a lot of sense. The Koran was written by a bunch of power craved middle easterners who figured coming off as fearless would protect them. Yet their people get slaughtered and their poor third-world countries are still stuck in the middle ages. You think they would learn from every other country and religion that obviously they aren't doing something right.

Cdubb, you said

"Funny how they believe their God created Earth, with its many majestic wonders, and yet they believe a load of @!$%# preaching to kill anyone who isn't their own."

were you talking of jews, christians or muslims ... the Torah, the Bible (doesnt matter which make and model you rrefer to) ... and the Qur'an all say that. In fact, they not only promote "smiting with the sword the unbeliever', they worship the same God ... the God of Abraham ... begat in the bloodline of Noah, who from his loin, and with God's blessing, the seeds of mankind to replenish the whole world's population sprang forth after the earth was cleansed of all sin by the Great Flood- if you believe in the christian Bible, the jewish Torah or the muslim Qu'ran

Frank Morton says

Have you read the old testament? It is also filled with nonsense where we are told God promoted all kinds of slaughter of people that were not Jewish.

We don't need to defend the Enir of Kuwait, the Saudi royal family or anyones' religion. That includes Israel. Bring our troops home. If we build our defence here and stay out of other countries I think we would be very unlikely to be attacked. If we were then go all out. We need to be promoting disarmarment and peace instead of being a threat.

I agree with you right up to the point where you speak of disarmament. We do need to pull our troops back to our own borders. We do need to offer to leave the world alone as long as they leave us alone. But we need to be able to enforce that. 1550 nukes aren't enough to do that. We need to rebuild our nuclear arsenal back up to at least the 30,000 weapons we had. We need to make it clear to the world that we are once again willing and able to play Whack a Mole anywhere in the world on 20 minutes notice.

Take this quiz and you will see whose God is more vicious the Muslim or the Christian one:

Hey John, we don't really care what the koran says - we're just going by the daily bloodthirsty statements of radical muslims all over the world and all over the net. You mean they're not speaking for all muslims? Well, maybe not - they mostly blow up other muslims.

This is america today:
Stop googling "evil Islam" and go educate yourself. Islam does not instruct to kill innocent unbelievers. I too used to think that, thanks to our biased media but ever since i started studying Quran and hadiths, it was apparent that Islam has been vastly misunderstood.

John-2884146;

You are correct in your accurate rendering of quotations from the Koran, however, you don't do your rational arguments any good when you start madly attacking white people. Just remember, looney tunes, such as that monster Robert Mugabe, are not white and they hate with a passion I doubt you would find even at an old fashioned KKK meeting in the 1950's. While I agree that Saddam should have been left alone because he represented the lesser of potential evils - nevertheless that does not mean that I am under any illusion about how evil he truly was. BTW - he was not an Anglo-Saxon 'whitey' type either (last time I checked the Northern European/Germanic tribes never set up shop in Tikrit, Mesopotamia in the last several millenia of recorded history).

@Breakers123

Go educate myself, eh? That is funny. Everything I have said is correct and you know it.

Here are more DIRECT QUOTES from this book of filth:

"Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

“I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.” (Quran 8:12)

“Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are ruthless to the Unbelievers, but merciful to each other.” (Quran 48:29)

"O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." (Quran 9:23)

I could go on and on......how about you, 'ol wise one of such vast knowledge, drop a few line from this abomination of literature that actually promote peace and tolerance toward non believers? Good luck with that.

Actually he already did "drop a few lines" that promote peace toward non-believers. But they did not fit with your version of reality, so you chose to ignore them.

Any one who reads and studies the Qu-ran at any depth, can tell you that almost every single one of those passages are referring to invaders and attackers. When it speaks of Christians and Jews it speaks of Christians or Jews that have Attacked. But again that does not fit within your neat little version of reality so you will disregard me as well.

In the Bible, Jesus said: "Bring him that would not be ruled by me, and slay him at my feet."

Sounds bad, right? Sounds awfully violent, right? But if you examine the passages around it, and take it in context, you find that Jesus was speaking in a parable, and was actually teaching against this type of behavoir.

But taken alone and out of context as you have done, I can find a violent quote from the bible (even the new testament, or Revalations alone) to match evey single one you quote from the Qu-ran.

Does that make Christianity Evil and Violent? Of course not. Christianity was at one time in its history extremely violent. that was not as a result of the teachings of the Scripture, but rather because Christianity was allowed to be the rule of law. As the Church began to lose power in the governments over the years, the violence died out, almost completely. There are still isolated incedents of wackos commiting crimes in the name of Christianity, but they are becoming more and more rare.

Almost all of the violence that we see in Islam is similar. There are several predominantly Islamic countries, that are not overrun with violence, and it is because Islam is not the law. Islam as a Religion does not want to kill us or be violent to us.

The leaders of several Islamic countries however, do.

John,

that peace making they refer is through submission. They make peace with those who submit.

More specifically, Kedbob, they make peace with those who do not attack, and according to their Religion SHOULD make peace with those who cease attacking, but some how that seems to be lost on the Leaders that control what military they have.

Do you think our government cares about the future of Iraq? They don't even care about our people: Except the banks, wall street and big corporations. We have a government that made it illegal for our hurting elderly to buy drugs cheaper from Canada. So, the poor drug companies are protected.

I can't imagine anyone thinking we invaded Iraq to help someone. You don't bomb a country and say your trying to help them, unless you think you are talking to fools. Maybe that's what we are for not putting 10 million people in the street and demanding real change.

God, you're ignorant. I don't even know where to begin.

Let me see now. Good old Mike BC doesn't even know where to begin but is convinced that whoever he happens to be referring to at the moment is ignorant.

Does Mike BC comprehend the definition of ignorance?

Is it Obama's fault? He is in over his head and he hasn't the power to do anything about it.

David: You are a nut IMO

This IS America Today!

Do you realize how wrong you are? He can do everything about it, and even said he would. He has done nothing and added 30,000 troops to Afghanistan. He is doing nothing because he does not want to, he is Bush on steroids. Spent more money already and gave even more money to the rich than Bush did.

You were tricked, but you can fix it do not vote for him in 2012. Push Ron Paul

Exactly right, let the thieving oil companies fight their own wars. That goes for the rest of our corporate and financial exploiters.

Bring our troops home and defend our country. Which we could do very well with half the money and still increase pay for our service men. I think they could secure our borders fast.

And brig back the American trade within the USA. Dip into our oil reserves, We have 50 years of reserve, and drill our own while looking for alternatives. F___k all these third world countries and back heathen ,Neanderthal thinking countries. Drop gas to 2.00 a gallon and let people take vacations again here in the USA and buy again in the USA

Yes! Georgey was so stupid, Harvard has a huge black eye for pushing this dim witted daddy's boy through. He was the typical rich, Texas, Redneck aristocrat who never worked an honest day in his life.

What is funnier is that Sara Palin is even MORE stupid, I mean this woman is a total idiot. The fact that ANYONE thinks she has ANY business holding ANY office is proof of what a sad state our nation is in. We are a nation of fast food, reality shows, and xbox......pitiful. I think she should run for president and name Harry Potter as here running mate; he is a wizard and can make the deficit........DISAPPEAR.....!

But W supposedly had a higher GPA than Kerry or Gore. And that info is out there. ALL of President Oboma's records are sealed by his Executive Order on the first day of his presidency! Bush I, II Clinton and NOW PResident Oboma ARE ALL agency developed by the Trans National Global Elites to establish their New World Order. It's ALL good cop/bad cop game! Wake UP! We're being played!

And where were you? I bet you were at WalMart, stocking up on all those Chinese made goodies. Get a life.

A. Smith; Right on and best regards.

A. Smith: Bush is still in charge? Where have I been?

This is because they are a subhuman species, they wipe their asses with their hands. They have no respect for life and they will do whatever it takes to get more of what they need. They don't understand, pride of country, love of liberty, thirst for freedoms, they are dirt......treat them as such.

Just over 24 months in that @!$%#box all total for me. I could care less if they all perish. Remember to never trust any of them, they don't warrant your trust. Good luck and get home in one piece.

Sand Man: Good luck to you. Hope you come home soon. We cant really blame the Iraqis: They didn't invte us to their country. God keep you and your comrades well and bring you home.

Why are you there to begin with? No one invited you!

You are there to fight for a drop of oil?You got Saddam but there are millions of wanna be Saddam and are even more dangerous.EU becomes dangerous simply because of its close association with U,S - in Iraq war and now with NATO in Afghanistan

U.S will never win this war because history tells us that U.S has yet to win any war we started.

This is America today

you are full of it. Dig yourself a hole and fill the dirt back on top of you.

John-2884146

Your defenses here of Islam are admirable. Your bigotry here is despicable.

Knowing Islam so well, how do you reconcile your bigotry?

Stay safe. AND PREACH to everyone, Dig, Drill and BUILD. American Energy Independence. Screw the ME and git the h3ll out of there!

Git the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US and Git the US out of the ME and the ME out of the US. Stop Muslim immigration NOW. ALL thosae pushin more Muslims in the US need their assets siezed and deported to Saudi Arabia, Dubai, or Iraq.

Give the BANKSTERS the Martha Steward Treatment. Seize their assets and deport them and their familes or deport them also to the Islamic PAradise of their choice or send them to Sheriff Joe for one of his chain gangs!

Hey "No Fear!"

Fear This! Below are your comments that speak in innuendos.

Sounds like you got your hairs all crossed up.

Just live and let live morning breath!

Ok, next.....where's the fat rat?

Iraqi
cleric urges resistance to U.S., Israel after return from exile

Sat Jan 8, 2011

• Why
  are you there to begin with? No one invited you! You are there to fight for a
  drop of oil?You got Saddam but there are millions of wanna be Saddam and are
  even more dangerous.EU becomes dangerous simply because of its close association
  with U,S - in Iraq war and now with NATO in Afghanistan

• U.S.
  to renew military ties with a rising China

  Fri Jan 7, 2011

  • China
    doesn't think that way - war freak and megalomaniac.They just want to live
    peacefully but at the same time secure there country.

• U.S.
  to renew military ties with a rising China

  Fri Jan 7, 2011

  • You
    want truth? The presence of U.S military off China Sea,other than the two
    military bases in Okinawa and South Korea, is to spy on China, Therefore, that
    kind of action MUST be taken as security threat by China or even by any country
    for that matter.

• U.S.
  cautions people named in cable leaks

  Fri Jan 7, 2011

  • It
    is short of admitting that there's communication between dissidents of a country
    and U.S? Notice that almost all the leaks were from U.S communications,personnel
    and military.

• Questions,
  blame surround soldier's suspected suicide

  Sun Jan 2, 2011

  • They
    should sue the government or military establishment/personnel who let him served
    in Afghanistan without considering that clear indication that this guy became
    mentally and emotionally unfit to serve in military.

• China
  moving toward deploying anti-carrier missile

  Tue Dec 28, 2010

  • China continues helping you buying your debts otherwise, you are skin and bones
    by now. Welcome to mega outsourcing all your jobs to and importing from 150
    countries, and enjoy that toilet paper made in Congo. China is safe with 1.4
    billion consumers and continue exporting to 150 countries.

• China
  moving toward deploying anti-carrier missile

  Tue Dec 28, 2010

  • Never
    ever under estimate any thing that moves,thinks and talks. A journey of thousand
    miles begins with a single step.

• China
  moving toward deploying anti-carrier missile

  Tue Dec 28, 2010

  • China
    has the ultra sovereign right to defend its country from external threats.U.S
    Naval fleet is all over South China Sea. But why this has to be specially
    mentioned by that U.S General?Obviously, to interfere or
    intimidate.

• Visitors
  see North Korea still stunted by its isolation

  Mon Dec 27, 2010

  • There's
    one country to blame for the current condition of North Koreans - U.S - for its
    unjustifiable sanction, a grievous form of human right abuse.Because of this
    sanction, it needs to make money and if they, allegedly, sell weapons,nuke or
    whatever to Iran, Syria is to make both ends meet.

• Pope
  ushers in Christmas amid tight security

I see you are the same as these Muslims. Religion Religion Religion. Don't you misguided Fools see whats wrong with the world? It's Religion. You notice I didn't say Idiots!!

Yes Rob and China without firing a single shot ended up with 1/2 the world's Oil reserves including those in Iran, Iraq and now Brazil while Bush-Cheney helped them do that! The Bush Family was the Ideal Manchurian Candidates for China who helped China obtain immense wealth and weakened America every step of their depraved administrations.

Well they already use the most oil in the world at this point so that makes sense.(And they're not slowing down anytime soon) As much as Jimmy Carter was a so called failure....He knew back then, that oil dependance would be the downfall of society as we know it........If we would have started making electric cars in the 70's, we might of had a chance...

There were electric cars, watch "What Happened to the Electric Car". Big oil killed it, plain and simple. They bought the battery technology then tabled it. God bless Unbridled Capitalism!

You people are so filled with hate and ignorance I really think you're going to explode.

rob the socialist

And just where are we going to get all the electricity to power all those electric cars?

Solar, Wind, Tidal, Nuke, and all other alternative energy sources and bio-fuels?

And while we're building the requisite new energy infrastructure to do that, what energy sources will we be using?

For those no longer interested in playpens and rattle toys bl0gcasting, and are edging towards the exits at what can only be called All Out Domestic PSY0P, ... there is no 'End Game'. We can't produce enough food for our people, and our entire culture is based on the automobile. We are screwed, blued and tatt0ed. As a former farmer, unless you have a miracle piece of land with flowing water and thick topsoil which requires no supplements, and a herd of plow animals already genetically sound, just forget about surviving in some Garden of Eden. Unless you have flowing water, and solar cells are already in place, and a minimum of an acre in covered fish tanks, with the aforementioned miracle grass plot providing feed, you can also forget about aquaculture, besides, who would you sell the fish to? Unless you live out in the boonies, with no bloated local or County administration, on fee simple land with the minerals rights, ... you got nothing! Give up escapist fantasies and start going to public meetings. We need to cut Mil.Gov staffing bloat to basic services, otherwise, they're going to pad their benefits and pensions with the health and human services that we pay taxes for. Our streets will be ripped up, and electricity browned out, but they'll still have full pensions! Mil.Gov staffing was established at the peak of the Credit.Con housing boom!

THERE'S TWICE TOO MANY MIL.GOV MAFIA LEECHING OFF OUR LIFE SAVINGS!

EXACTLY! If they want war, lets put it in their front pocket for them! Want to stand up and speak that dribble then you will find yourself on the wrong side of a .50 sniper rifle. They understand assignations, we have to quit dicking around with these people.

Yes, I know what "peace" and "negotiations" mean......, problem is THEY DON'T WANT PEACE!! These people don't understand this stuff; you have obviously never been over there in that God forsaken hell hole.

There will be more blood shed, pal. You've seen nothing yet, I hope YOU get to see it first hand. I want one of these cowardly subhuman sand turds to do something that effects YOU personally. You will change your tune then.

I am not white. See what your assumptions have done? Proven your lack of intelligence.

People that have different views and different opinions should be 'shot'? Sounds like Zionist goose stepping saber rattling to me. That isn't the State of Delaware as the depraved Bush jr. attempted to cast Iraq as, it's not America and the man is an Iraqi in his own country.

They shoot those of different views and opinions.....ALL THE TIME!

We can NOT, I repeat, We Can NOT fight them while applying our values to them. This is why the will win.......yes, I feel they will win. We have just enough people like John-2884164 who will just roll over.

Wooo-wooo-wooo! Tragic there's still Gomers116 out there playing Cowboys

and Indians, while White Fort is burning to the ground back in Alexandria VA.

A ONE TRILLION DOLLAR A YEAR WEHRMACHT, AND A $60 BILLION GESTAPO!!

WE'LL SPEND MORE FOR TSA AND DOMESTIC PSY0P THAN ON US EDUCATION!

Who gives a flying fcuk re Al-Sadr, ...what the he// are we even doing there?