mine too

don't you think we've given enough support to israel over the years? how many billions have we given them? even after the U.S.S. Liberty and lavon affair debacles, we've supported this traitorous ally.

let the little leach of a nation stand or fall on their own.

Israel insisted the issue of settlements would become null and void once final borders were agreed upon.

Weren't the borders decided 40+ years ago?

the diplomats said the U.S. Administration will ask congress to supply 20 stealth fighter jets to Israel.

So does supply mean sell? or does supply mean donate?

Israel will get a lot of support from the American people, not so much from the American government.

Why do we even try for peace in the mideast? It has never happened, it will not ever happen unless the entire Mideast is destroyed. The Jews and Arabs will always try to kill each other, always have, always will.

You people are nuts. Israel has had virtually unchallenged support since its inception from the United States. The American government doesn't support Israel? Don't we give them COUNTLESS aid packages and weapons and whatever they need?

And how do they repay us for that support, anyway? Promise to freeze settlements, and then they create more settlements. They get so zealous raiding a ship filled with supplies for Gaza that they literally executed American citizens. When it comes to the peace process, the ball has been in Israel's court for a looooong time. The most controllable factor has been whether or not Israel is building settlements in areas designated to be the Palestinian state, and they KEEP. DOING. IT. We could be so much farther along on this whole deal if they'd just not (technically) invade a foreign state and start illegally building homes there, but they do it anyway, and it usually comes off as a provocation, rather than a necessity for space. And Netanyahu is the worst possible person to be leading the charge on this issue.

I'm not a pro-Palestine guy, I'm not a pro-Israel guy, I'm just a guy who wants this nonsense resolved so we don't have to waste more of our taxes dollars supporting a peace process that is constantly and flagrantly strayed from by the side that is specifically supposed to be our ally. And all of you out there claiming to be fiscal conservatives better be thinking the same thing, or you're full of crap.

Screw the both. If they want peace, let them have peace. dont understand why one american tax dollar needs to be spent to make these people understand that killing each other is bad.

The fact that you can say that Israel killed innocent American citizens (which the videos from both sides show these innocent Americans being warned for seven days to change course and waiting for the Israeli's with weapons) shows you are anti Israel because from a non bias perspective, what happened on the flotilla was as clear as it gets. THEY WARNED THEM FOR SEVEN DAYS, THE INNOCENT AMERICANS WERE WAITING TO ATTACK WITH WEAPONS. Pathetic.

Perhaps he is referring to the USS Liberty which was bombed by Israel with the cost of 34 American soldiers dead and 170 American soldiers wounded.

This country does receive too much of our tax dollars already. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are more about fighting for Israel and the ethnic cleansing and genocide this regime has committed in Palestine over the last 60+ years then anything else.

The agreement is also another failure by Obama and the exact opposite of what should be done. It is at the security council that the world community can force Israeli compliance and taking that off the table shows another reason why Obama is a failure.

For a country that has gobbled up trillions of our dollars Israel is effing arrogant!!!

a vow to veto any attempts at the United Nations to force a unilateral peace deal and an agreement on supplying Israel with more war planes.

WHY DO WE HAVE TO BEG AND BRIBE THESE A#@* TO LISTEN TO US?

Isn't it enough that the US has bankrupted itself supporting this apartheid state? Show me ONE thing they've ever done for us? Just one!!!

THEY WARNED THEM FOR SEVEN DAYS, THE INNOCENT AMERICANS WERE WAITING TO ATTACK WITH WEAPONS. Pathetic.

After they boarded, they were shot at point blank range. The people on board the ship did not have any guns. The guns they had were wrestled from soldiers.All accounts show that they were killed after being subdued. Perhaps they showed some sign of aggression of some sort, but these were people who weren't shot from a distance in the process of defense.

If anything, you seem to have a pro-Israel bias. It's not that important, though, really. Anyway you swing it, people were killed during an effort to bring vital supplies. Israel relaxed its restrictions following the incident. They overreacted, and they know it. This is an example of where Israel could've easily shown some restraint and didn't. There was never any contraband during the incident which could've proven useful to Hamas militants.

The point is that if Israel wants to respond to rocket attacks or other bombings, that's one thing. The legality of their blockade is questionable in the first place, and that's not a pro or anti-stance, that's a fact.

Cantor met with the prime minister in private and told him... Well you be the judge

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_11/026624.php

NO MORE SUPPORT FOR ISRAELIS CONFISCATION OF ARAB LAND.

Shameless, cowardly Israelis are a disgrace to the memory of the holocaust.

*Face Palm*

Seriously, how screwed up is our government where one party actively goes out and tries to undermine the current leadership, not just in a figurative or symbolic manner, but verbally?

Isn't it cute? Israel is America's North Korea. Israel has the palastinians in a little box with the occassional stray missle launched out of it. Israelis see no real need for peace since they have the box contained and mostly in control. why should they have to give in to any 'demands'? The US gives about the equivalent of 12,000$ per Israeli in money per year. why stop now?

What has israel done for the United States? Wow - where should we start ?

(1) Israel supplies the United States with intelligence that is accurate and the US cannot develop for ourselves. (OOur horrible 'human intelligence ' work is a national disgrace.)

(2) We cannot supply our troops in Iraq or Afghanistan without Israel. they keep major supply depots for us and also provide 'flyover' opportunities.

(3) When Syria moved to invade Jordan in 1970 (Syria was a US enemy and Jordan a friend at that time - and now) the United States was able to block Syria without putting our soldiers in harms way by having Israel mobilize on the border of Jordan.

The list could go on to include helping us support our allies in Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt against the Iranian threat.

What has Israel done for the US - a lot !!!!!

We already give Isreal a minimum of $3billion a year. Now we will give them $3 billion in aircraft. I am not pro either but the Isreali's need to recognize the 1967 border and that will bring peace. It is alright for Isreali's to live in a Palestinian settlement zone if they recognize it as such. Many people live in other Countries that is not of their origin you just follow their laws.

The reason the US Gov supports Isreal is because no politician would ever be elected without the Jewish vote. Whichever one of them votes against Isreal is commiting political suicide.

But it is time to use the money to support America and it's infrastructure. Let them work it out. It is also against our interests and why we have so many enemies in the midcle east. We could make a deal with Al Quida if we had to if we walk away from them. We leave Isreal and you leave us and terrorism will end for the US.

Let's get out of the middle east altogether and bring the troops home and fix America.

ajnn,

(1) Israel supplies the United States with intelligence that is accurate and the US cannot develop for ourselves.

yeah, that worked out real well with 9-11 and the iraqi wmd's.

(2) We cannot supply our troops in Iraq or Afghanistan without Israel. they keep major supply depots for us and also provide 'flyover' opportunities.

they provide supply depot so we can continue to fight two worthless, money pit, wars? how generous of them.

(3) When Syria moved to invade Jordan in 1970 (Syria was a US enemy and Jordan a friend at that time - and now) the United States was able to block Syria without putting our soldiers in harms way by having Israel mobilize on the border of Jordan.

oh,what a nice gesture on israel's part. nevermind the fact that israel saw the move by syria as a threat to them. israel would have made the saqme move whether or not jordan was a friend to the US.

israel is not our friend. try again.

We just celebrated Veterans Day and here we have people defending Israel and calling for the USA's support to a country that attacked our navy, and bombed us during the Lavon Affair. The USA doesn't owe loyalty to a country that has committed against of terrorism and aggression against it.

I say we stop aiding Israel. Let Israel and the Palestinians (or whoever else Israel keeps beating the drums of war against) and let them sort it out.

Not to be a party pooper, but most of that stuff that Israel did to "help the US" was in furtherance of the US protecting Israel. One of the primary reasons for as much involvement as the US has in the Middle East in the first place, and the need to gather intelligence, is to protect Israel. And those supply depots, and much of their military... essentially paid for by the US.

But don't get me wrong, Israel IS our friend, and you're crazy if you don't think that they are, but, like some friends, they go a little nuts sometimes, and they escalate a situation when you're trying to cool it off for them. Perhaps it might even be more fair to call them a little brother, or something to that effect, in that we seem to "love" them unconditionally.

Israel must and will be cut off by America. Enough is enough. No more weapons no more aid.

If the world ever allows the fanatical Zionist religious zealots to continue expanding their rogue state and expropriating Palestinian land it would be a huge mistake. We do not need another radical theocracy in the mould of apartheid South Africa in the area! Just in the last couple of months the supposed only democracy in the Middle East has prosecuted a Palestinian man for criticizing the Israeli wall of segregation! No more billions of American taxpayers' dollars to the rogue state of Israel!

Jews for Justice for Palestinians - Campaign for the release of Abdallah Abu Rahmah

ajnn

(1) Israel supplies the United States with intelligence that is accurate and the US cannot develop for ourselves. (OOur horrible 'human intelligence ' work is a national disgrace.)

What a JOKE!!! So what about that Intelligence Jews were insisting "proved" Iraq had WMDs? Bush and Congress bought the Israeli LIE... By The Way, where were all the Israeli soldiers (a supposed ally) when American troops invaded Iraq based on Israeli Intelligence...

(2) We cannot supply our troops in Iraq or Afghanistan without Israel. they keep major supply depots for us and also provide 'flyover' opportunities.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha, an out right LIE

Do you even know how America provides for its own logistics? Apparently not, because Israel doesn't supply deployed American troops in Iraq or Afghanistan. It is America who supplies Israel with weapons, not the other way around, in fact America is giving Israel another $3 Billion in warplanes and replacement parts... (probably in preparation with its war with Iran)

U.S. peace plan that included a 90-day settlement freeze, a diplomatic source told reporters on Saturday.

The plan also includes a pledge not to seek any extension to the settlement freeze after the 90-day period, a vow to veto any attempts at the United Nations to force a unilateral peace deal and an agreement on supplying Israel with more war planes.

Among the pledges offered to Israel by Washington, was a guarantee to veto any resolutions brought to the United Nations Security Council that seek "to impose a political settlement on Israel," the source said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The proposed construction freeze would not include East Jerusalem, an area Israel has annexed as part of its capital in a move never recognized internationally and which Palestinians want as capital of any future state.

Washington would also undertake to veto resolutions deemed anti-Israel in the U.N. Security Council and other international organizations, the source said, a pledge that could make Israel less vulnerable to threats made by some Palestinians to declare statehood unilaterally in the event that peace talks fail.

So in other word, for a 90 settlement construction freeze and a promise to go back to peace talks the US has agreed to bend over and kiss Israely a$$.

Tell me again, why is the US responsible for giving my tax dollars, my UN vote and our war paraphernalia to Israel in order to get Israel to do good by the World and humanity? Israel is responsible for creating her own hate in this World and it is time the US pulled away from its BLIND support of to Israel. Israel has a right to exist ON HER OWN and so do the rest of the people in this World, including the Palestinians.

So, in the end, nothing will happen and Israel will end up with a good number of US warplanes. Interesting way to get more weapons for free.

Obama had better pay attention. Appeasing Israel will result in his losing elections.

husin obama promis to his cusin the muslim to bild palestin state in midel of israel but very soon g-d will prise hussen obama life and his peapol life

cos g-d will pay backto all how prise the israel life

I hope English isn't your first language, because that was fairly incoherent.

Our interest is directly related to Israels. Dont believe me, give it a few years and watch all the radical muslims dominate at our back door, or worse on our soil.

Reaves

That's hilarious

What back door is that? Is that the back door the was left open on 911? My interest and I'll wager yours too has not a thing to do with Israel.

On the other hand you could be right. If we could just cut off a few more government programs for the worthless Americans we could stand to hand out a few more billion to Israel then all would be right with America.

We should have no interest in a state that has shown time and time again that it is not interested long term peace solutions.

The only interest we have in Isreal is a landing zone in the middle east. Actually protecting Isreal is against our interest and the Saudi's would be more open to us if we left them.

And that Muslum back door must be to the North because the Mexicans are to the South and they are Catholic. LOL

The time has come that we begin looking after our interest rather than be proxy of Israel

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Exactly. And Reaves, please stop insulting out intelligency by insinuating that Israel somehow keeps the U.S. safe by not letting radical muslims "knock at our door". What a joke. The U.S. is a superpower and hasn't ever gotten nor needed Israel's help in the war on terror. Not only COULDN'T a tiny little nation like that (which can't survive without our billions per year in aid) help us, but they WON'T help us. After 9/11 they did NOTHING to help us, and yet continue to call themselves our "ally". That's a joke. Not one soldier did they send to fight alongside of us to keep US safe.

They can have what they want if my tax dollars don't have to support it and no American is in harms way. Would one more little state like them make a big difference? NO! And others would be friendlier to us if we didn't support Isreal and without our financial aid.

Israeli fear mongering smells like a rat.

And this is the reason it is time to walk away. They think it's alright to send out a professional hit squad to revenge their wrongs then they can take care of themselves.

And if we extratcted ourselves from the middle east and took care of America we wouldn't have to worry about their problems. Go to Detroit or the South Bronx and many other major cities here at home and see the kids die in the streets. I think the posts here show Americans are not worried about Isreal's future and your propoganda.

You can not send the Jews back in force to Europe as anti Jewish sentiment is on the rise like Pre-WWII. The hollocast would happen again. Maybe that is what S.Balakrishnan wants.

It is in the best interest of the US to side with Israel as they are our only friend in that part of the World.

Israel has tried to live peacefully with the Palestinians since the Jews took it back. It's really a waste of time to prove otherwise because you really can't.

@SBalakrishnan: "The settlements are in violation of international law" ... Bull Sh*t if you are talking the Law of the U.N. Security Council where about l/3 of its present members are now Arab or Muslim States, better known as the Islamic Bloc. Also for the record; the State of Israel was created by the United Nations more than six decades ago, after the second World War.

jeremy-1936753:

Repeated incursions in to heavily populized areas to include aerial assaults, attacking a U.S. Naval vessel (USS Liberty), the blockade of Gaza, assaulting an aid convoy, settlements that really serve no purpose other than to provoke the Palestinians (not to mention being in violation on international law), and now a weapon's deal that includes the sale of F-35s. Yes, very peaceful country indeed.

@jeremy: 'Israelis have tried to live peacefully with the Palestinians'.

NO THEY HAVE NOT YOU LIAR. The Israelis militarily occupy Palestine and confiscate land from them - and kick Arabs off of their land ON A DAILY BASIS. Their clear objective is to REMOVE ALL ARABS FROM PALESTINE. This is what every Israeli PM has admitted.

You are insane to think that 'living peacefully' with someone can include using military to remove people from their land.

Go to hell and die.

What sale of F-35's we are giving them the planes along with the $3 billion we send them every year. It is time we tell Netanyahu what to do and what is best for us or cut them off.

@david n

Yes it was set up six decades ago on someone else's land.

Additionally if the Jewish populace returned to Europe there would be no second "Hallocast" as you put it. This is just a ridiculous comment. And the anti-semetic reference you speak of in Europe can not be as bad as the anti-semetic feelings around the Middle East.

So the main concern that the Muslims have is that Israel has control of territories gained in the 1967 war? What did the Muslims want from Israel before 1967 then? For that matter what did the Muslims want from the Jews before August 23, 1929 when they murdered the Jewish inhabitants of Hebron who had been living there since Biblical times?

Learn history. The Israelis are successful in defending themselves against incredible odds because God wills it. Never in history has there been such a victory as that of the Six-Day War. You cannot explain it by saying that it was due to the support from the US. It was a true miracle, and miracles continue to happen. Believe it.

I abhor what happenned to the Jewish people in Europe throughout their stay there and especially the Nazi halocast. The Jewish people have provided the world with lot of good artistic and creative people. If anyone would think that I am anti Jewish then they are mistaken. I do not believe that the settlements and the extremist Jewish organizations help the Jewish people. I understand that there is virulant anti semetism reemerging in Europe and I even saw it in Houston when I arrived here in 1989 when a cab driver pointed to a Jewish Rabii walking as a Christ Killer. I protested to him that it is not fair to a ccuse a people for the crime done by some one 2000 years ago and told him that if anyone can tell every American now to be Indian Killer if he will accept that. I hear that the settlers are cutting down oilice trees and diverting sewage to kille them to drive the Palestinians from their land. I am appauled by that. I do not subscribe to the nation that God gives land to anyone, Throughout history people have migrated either voluntarily or involuntarily, by threats from nature or other human beings. We are a more mature people to day and I hope the Jewish people are also. The settlers in West Bank are not those that I hold in that category. Sorry to offend some who think so but real peace can only be achieved by livi and let live policy. All sane Israeli politicians understand that. As far as atrocities in the middle east is concerned no one has been above blame. After 1948 when Israel was born the burning of Palestinian houses to remove them from their home is not sokething that any decent human being can relish. It is the 20th century version of what happenned to the American Indians in the 18th century. I hope sanity prevails and a just peace between the Israelis and Palestinians are possible with the 1967 border as a guideline.

You can not send the Jews back in force to Europe as anti Jewish sentiment is on the rise like Pre-WWII.

Really? Then why aren't Jewish people leaving there to go to their safe haven, Israel? Newsflash: they aren't.

"

The hollocast would happen again"

It's happening already, except it's Israel perpetrating it this time.

". Maybe that is what S.Balakrishnan wants"

Cheap and hideous attack.

@yosolo

No it is not a continuing miracle it is America's dollars and war eequipment suport that is doing this. If there aere such miracles then turn down our dollars and do it on your own. Since when are America's tax dollars meant to support a foreign Country. We need our money here. You go with miracles.

David N

"The settlements are in violation of international law" ... Bull Sh*t if you are talking the Law of the U.N. Security Council where about l/3 of its present members are now Arab or Muslim States

You make no sense. You deny Israeli Settlements are against International Law because Arabs are apart of the International Community? That is typical RACIST Zionist ranting...

David N

for the record; the State of Israel was created by the United Nations more than six decades ago, after the second World War.

Yes, the UN created Israel and the Borders the UN recognized as Israel was much smaller then its present size. IT still doesn't change the FACT that Israeli Settlements on Palestinian land is ILLEGAL as well as the Border Wall built deep into land recognized as belonging to the Palestinians!

Those Israeli Settlements are called Illegal by the UN, the same organization that created Israel, so maybe you should listen to them. Israelis are a bunch of filthy murdering thieves...

Israel is not a peaceful country. Israelis are warmongers.

Jomama88 - Im assuming your 22 or so, so its not really worth wasting my time proving you wrong. I hope for your sake it changes but unfortunately I don't think I'll be the one, between us, going to hell, but I wish you luck though.

The Israelis militarily occupy Palestine and confiscate land from them - and kick Arabs off of their land ON A DAILY BASIS. Their clear objective is to REMOVE ALL ARABS FROM PALESTINE. This is what every Israeli PM has admitted.

And yet 43 years after the 1967 war, this hasn't happened. I suppose the anti-Israel imbeciles are waiting for the year 2048 with baited breath.

That's when Israel will unleash its "Centennial Surprise." :P

And it was foretold on Newsvine 38 years before it happened!!!!

Back to reality. Here is a simple question for all the Israel haters to ponder:

How can a country with a top notch military fail to drive out every last person in the West Bank and Gaza - whose combined land area is smaller than Yellowstone National Park - in a matter of weeks let alone in 43 years?

Time's up.

If this were Israel's true agenda, it would have happened by 1968.

No more or less profound than that.

or go the next step, taking a leaf out of the Vatican's book, and create a separate independent state of Jerusalem that gives free access to residents of Palestine and Israel equally and fairly? But yes, get those settlements off the stolen land of Palestine - or grant Palestinian citizenship to those people who want to stay in the settlements.

It is for people like you that there is no peace in the world.

peace is made by pragmatic and strong people.

When Arabs attacked Israel in 1967 that had all of the West Bank and Gaza. Which Palestinian land where they liberating?

And the fact that people such as you live in dilutions with words like "East Jerusalem" or "Palestinian" is the REAL reason for bloodshed.

david Cohen-2656263 to whom were you referring to, myself or robo2200761?

I suspect both! For daring to suggest that there is some just solution that does not require total domination by Israel. For some reason I don't think he was referring to the Palestinians as pragmatic and strong.

Israeli bull@!$%#, claiming to want peace, then buying weapons with which to kill, maim, and murder.

SacMike, I get what your opinion on the matter, but somehow I don't know that the world needs every comment thread to be ended with "Israel is evil". You've said it, we get it. I'm not trying to argue for or against you, just that unless you're going to write something with some substance, you can probably stop now.

Grimley move along.

Once again, very useful commentary. Although I was expecting something along the lines of "..."

Will Netanyahu bring to the table his Ofra plan to gulp the remainder of Palestine?

Netanyahu admits on video he deceived US to destroy Oslo accord

Hey, Sobi! You need to study your Bible prophesy. No power on this earth will destroy Israel again. If you're skeptical, check the history of Israel since they were reestablished as a country in the late 1940's, and try to figure out how they survived attacks by their neighbors who vastly outnumbered them.

Study the bible? Why? I am forbidden to read the bible by my imaginary sky buddy who thinks your sky buddy discriminates.

They survived attacks because of the billions upon billions of dollars of aid and weapons the west (mainly the US) gave them. You need to study actual history and not some book written by some guy.

The Bible was written by a bunch of guys in Nicea, Turkey. Worshipping the words written by some guys has to be the most bizarre practice.

But, SacramentoMike, people do just that - look at the adoration accorded the Beatles or Bob Dylan or Bob Marley -worshipping of the words to the extent that many phrases from songs they made famous are now intrinsic parts of the language - then we have Shakespeare, TS Eliot, Blake, Pushkin, Goethe, Tagore, Hidayat etc - all have contributed in the same way. So not really that odd a thing to do.

robo-2200761 People robbed others of their land and killed them due to the Beatles or Bob Dylan's songs? The comparison is hideous and grotesque.

No that is not the point. The point is that robbing people of their land, raping and pillaging of traditions, the barbarity that people are doing and justifying themselves by reference to a bunch of texts, a few of which might have been written in Nicea, does not lay the blame on the poets, historians, mythologists, fantasists and fiction writers that were collected up into that anthology you referred to. It would be quite easy to take the list of more recent writers such as those I cited and find passages in their works which justify any manner of barbarisms. And in there too - as there is in that anthology of yours - are many messages that say that the present activities of the Israelis are an abhomination and they should consider a different path. But perhaps the primary message they should be taking out of it all is "give peace a chance"

It isn't their land.

Yeah, sobi, that's what the Mexicans keep telling us about America. But you know what they say about possession.......

Then Obama should say to the Israelis. The time for free money and arms from America is over. Find some other sucker nation to support your sorry a$$es. Lets see how long you parasites last on your own.

OK, as long as we do it to every other parasite sucking the life out of us. You know, Mexico, Haiti, Palestine, Pakistan, India..........

The US paid for the land Mexico claims. That's just sour grapes. Besides, I'm all for dumping the parasites.

Then we are in accord on that, at least, sobi.

Didn't I read somewhere that Israel bought their land? Don't rip me apart, it's an honest question.

Yeah, sobi, that's what the Mexicans keep telling us about America. But you know what they say about possession.......

Nah Nah Nah

You can't compare what happened hundreds of years ago to this day and age. This is now that was then. If you wanna fly by that rule book we all need to pack up and leave because we took the land from some other people. But that was then this is now.

What happen to Saddam Hussein when he said Kuwait was his? Ifact it was his he took it fair and square right?

"I" don't play by those rules. I said the Mexicans want to play by those rules.

"I" don't play by those rules. I said the Mexicans want to play by those rules.

Nope you implied that if you hold the land no matter how you got it then it's yours.

But you know what they say about possession.......

Israel was granted a nation by the 5 big ones: USA, Russia, China, England, and I'm not positive on the 5th, there was 5, France? They did not buy the land, it wasn't even for sale. We took it and gave it to Israel who has been discontented with the grant ever since. This was 1948, after WWII. It was considered part of the resolution of the war.

Israel keeps mixing things up because they buy their own story of a god-given grant. Barf!

screminmimi

Didn't I read somewhere that Israel bought their land?

Only 7% of the land recognised as Israel. Which is still debatable, because much could be considered leasing or renting, and not actual ownership transferring.

Possession is nine-tenths of ownership.

In other words, cry a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

That would be foolish. Play them, and get the stealth fighter jets.

Yes screminimimi, play us, that is what israel and the jews have been doing since the inception of israel. Slowly, but surely the American people are figuring out that they have been played and one day the worm will turn and there will be retribution.

Hopefully, Obama will read your post and tell israel to f off, especially with regard to the stealth fighters. Israel would probably sell the technology to China, as they have in the past.

Beangrinder, I think the beans you ground were in your head. What utter nonsense. Typical Teabagger hate. Gross Old Party.

Yes, Ralph, just like every other freakin nation we send "aid" to, hand over fist.

At least the Israelis give back in terms of intelligence gathering and advancements in technology.

What do the others give us, except the finger and a demand for more?

Israel gives America nothing. The intelligence they gave us on Iraq, was that they had WMD and a nuclear weapons program. What was that intelligence worth? It was straight from the Mossad.

They have never given America technology. They might sell us some and they certainly have been stealing technology from the US and selling that technology to China. Now they want a dozen stealth fighters, worth billions, for a 90 day moritorium on buildings. Such a deal.

If Obama takes that deal, he should be impeached. That would mean he has been played, right scremnimimi?

You've told me what Israel "hasn't" done, but you neglected to include the other countries in your list.

One and all, or none. Otherwise it's just preference and opinion.

LOL. They offered the deal to the Israeli's, the Israel's did not offer the deal to the US. Israel shouldn't take it because they would be wasting their time as they just did a ten month freeze which amounted to nothing. I love all these people saying Israel's demands. America needs them, and Israel is offered they are not demanding a thing. Classic.

What has Israel given back? There entire military consist of US hardware that they reverse engineered then sold. You are aware they are one of the leading arms dealers in the world aren't you?

Better yet how much have they stolen? I know they have been accused of stealing military secrets on at least one occasion.

israelis are confiscating other people's land.

no one can support this and call themselves american.

israelis are confiscating other people's land.

Nope. Unless you believe that Texas and California are confiscated mexican land, which in turn is confiscated Aztec land.

Of course, like most of the ultraliberal fringe, you slept through history class because it was boring and you didn't get to watch movies :P

no one can support this and call themselves american.

Except for the majority of Americans who do exactly that. I am proud to call myself an American AND support Israel against all the cretins in this world who want to destroy it.

LOL. Iahai, the Muslims could pretend they care all they want but they do not care about the Palestinians all they want is for Israel to be destroyed. Israel has offered Egypt the Gaza Strip and Jordan the West Bank both said no they dont want the Palestinians in their countries.

Israel never offered Egypt or Jordan territories. The West Bank is considered a strategic buffer between Jordan and Israel. and the Sinai was only returned after Egypt recognized Israel as a country.. Please re-read the history of the various Arab-Israeli Wars.

I have, as I majored in the subject with a 4.0 GPA. Please google it and spend some time searching and you will find it.

To help you with your search, which you wont do because you don't want to see any evidence that would lead you to realize that Israel is a great nation, it was in 1987. There was an agreement with Peres (foreign minister) and King Hussein. However shortly after Hussein realized he had no interest in the WB.

Thats why people in these blogs can't be taken seriously. Very few know what they are talking about but spew as if they were involved in the negotiations. Do you have any idea how different these comments would be if everyone was required to take a ten question test on the Middle East before being allowed to post? Armageddon just posted that a fact never happened. How can you do that? Pathetic.

Quick survey, is there ANYONE else out there who thinks that Israel is a friend, but has earned some criticism over the years? Anyone else who either doesn't blindly agree to anything and everything Israel wants, or doesn't completely hate them? Anyone else aware that there's a middle ground on the issue? I never really hear about one, so I feel I should ask.

Goodbye Israel.

I agree, It is amazing how some could believe America fights for Freedom and Democracy.

How many democratically elected officials has the OSS/CIA assassinated?
How many rebellions, revolutions, and coups has America financed?
How many dictator's have been put in power as Puppets for America's Foreign Policy?

How many democratically elected officials has the OSS/CIA assassinated?

Probably none directly. Not even Salvadore Allende, whom the ultraliberals love to cry about to no end.

How many rebellions, revolutions, and coups has America financed?

If it wins us allies, I would hope as many as possible.

How many dictator's have been put in power as Puppets for America's Foreign Policy?

In Latin America, several. Shrug.

Did that matter one iota in the realm of Cold War era politics?

Not until we let Castro take over Cuba in 1959. That was one of Eisenhower's biggest mistakes.

In the rest of the world, the only significant example in the 20th century was the Shah of Iran, who remained a US ally for his 30 years in power.

Considering what happened to Iran after 1979, they were a lot better off under the Shah.

Returning what one stole is hardly cause for good feelings.

By your demented logic, shouldn't Hamas be lobbing rockets at Egypt?

After all, Egypt stole Gaza in 1948!

They stole it then occupied Gaza for 19 years!!!!!

Oh the humanity!!!!!!!!!!

Oh wait - it's all well and good because at the time, Egypt was fighting to destroy Israel.

Rational thought is completely foreign to Israel haters.

LOL. Thanks for the laugh. Israel is the only country in the middle east that doesnt believe in stoning women for adultery and killing witches. Classic. Some of these Israel haters make it to easy.

Um, you're wrong Jeremy. Ever hear of a moderate, liberal Muslim country named Turkey?

Jeremy: You're a little slow on the uptake. The Israelis offer the Bible as evidence they have a right to all that land, including Judea and Samaria. Those are Biblican justifications. And to do that is as logical as relying on the Old Testament for advice on human rights. I guess you just don't get logical thinking. Israel haters? The Israelis are their own worst enemies. If they had made peace when they were the overwhelming power, say 20 or 40 years ago, with the Palestinians, no pain and suffering or a lot less of it. Now, more and more, the Arabs are not sitting still. Oil power, weapons, soon the bomb. Israel always does too little too late. And when it comes right down to it, without justice there will never be peace. Try reading Machiavelli. So, Jeremy, I know thinking logically hurts, but try little one.

And Agamemnon, I don't believe there is such a creature as a "moderate" Muslim, just one that hasn't been handed a weapon yet. Islam is a violent religion that violently demands conversion or killing. The Jews are also violent, but they want no conversion. Islam has ruined every area of the world it has touched. It left the Balkans starving and poor, Greece ruined under Turkey, India ruined, and in Africa it is Islam that created a slave trade from the Indian Ocean to the Atlantic. Still, when one has the power, one should defang the beast and do what is possible, not what is idiotically and suicidally impossible. Create two states. Sit back and watch. Sunni and Shiites will murder each other in those new states with utter joy, the joy with which they murder their "apostate" Sunni and Shiite men, women and children in nations such as Afghanistan or Pakistan. And don't tell me Christians have been violent. Of course they have, but they were violent withOUT Jesus' blessing whereas Muslims are violent with Mohammed's complete instigation.

Wow there is one country in the Middle East, Turkey, who is democratic. You totally proved me wrong Armageddon. LOL. Despite your one democratic country it is still no where as free as Israel is.

SKVM - Im not even going to waste my time responding to your post LOL.

Jeremy - it depends on what you mean by free and whether democracy is the only valid form of government. Turkey is actually freer than Israel from the perspective of the average citizen (unless of course you are a Kurd or Armenian - but just try being a Palestinian, Lebanese or Arab in Israel).

Agree SKVAM is too sucked into the propaganda to be open to listening. All I can wish is that he falls in love with a Muslim and then has to confront the truth of the lslamic world. It bears no resemblance to his portrait.

What's the matter Jeremy? Can't use your indoor words? Logic beyond your grasp? Won't even try for common sense?

And robo, falling in love with a Muslim is a silly rejoinder. But your lack of understanding of Muslim history must be profound. And only an illogical fool would think that an n of 1 (look that up) proves a point.

Amazing what lack of reading of history and lack of ability to think can produce. Just amazing.

Ever hear of a moderate, liberal Muslim country named Turkey?

It used to be moderate and secular. Now, like most Muslim countries, it is firmly in the grip of the fundamentalists.

Oh well, I guess Ataturk's secular agenda was nice while it lasted...

if you are a muslim you should know that for these negotiations israel is dealing with abbas and not with ahmadinejad and the nuts of gaza,this is an opportunity not to be missed to make peace at least with arab moderates.failing to do,so,the world will know whose fault it will be ,if it isn't known already.

Its with Abbas but it is for his people many of whom or security risks. Israel's first priority no matter what the world says is to her and her peoples safety.

Does anyone think there is another country out there willing to give the USA money?

China. Until we default on the $2 trillion or so we've borrowed from them.

Then Walmart will finally go under :)

Send them a personal check. Better yet, move there.

u jerk americans should be proud they are defending israel against the arab world that would like to wipe them out and bring about another holocaust, the arab world and all the liberals in Europe and the united states are obsessed with Israel always blaming the Jews for everything. let me ask u a question why is the the UN busy all day with Israel and never condemns the Arab world for their corruption and human right abuses? the answer is the world hates the Jews . why did u have people from around the world go onto a boat towards Gaza risking their lives to break the so called occupation blockade dodnt they have plenty of problems in their own countries especially the arab countries ? the answer is they where motivated by pure anti semitism and they where ready to risk their life's for that hatred

Muti... No. You are wrong.

u jerk americans

stop taking our handouts and stop begging us and bleeding us dry you parasite!

THEN call us whatever names you want!

If everyone hates Israel, perhaps Israel ought to figure out why.

muti is another paid Israeli stooge!

muti "i as an american jew"

muti "u jerk americans"

LOL, your words have blown your cover! You're an Israeli pretending to be American, ranting Pro-Israel garbage...

muti loves Israel so much, even HE wont move there LOL

LOL, you make it to easy, Israel got offered this they did not demand it. Thank you.

You are naibe to think that this "offer" wasn't tailored to specific demands from Israel.

Wow Tee - would you like a valium to go with your tantrum?

You and the other anti-Israel hate mongers - suck on it because it describes you people to a T - never answer a simple question:

What were the Palestinians so scared about in 2000 that they rejected a peace deal offering them all of Gaza, 95% of the West Bank, and authority over Arabs in East Jerusalem?

Take a wild guess.

It's that by renouncing their futile war against Israel, they would, in effect, recognize Israel's right to exist.

No go cry yourself to sleep about it.

They can't get a Guarantee of PEACE!!! They have to get something for doing nothing... The Palestine are getting what They want for the 4th time and still There isn't any PEACE there!!!

reparations yes, right of return yes, not to israel but to the new state of palestine to be. to israel would be the same thing as destroying israel.

If the Nazis used all these excuses they'd still be in Power

We would have a lot more allies and plenty powerful countries on our side if we were not so in love with Isreal!

What have they done for us? Nothing as far as I am concerned. They rule Hollywood, they rule the banks, they are too powerful in this country and too many people are afraid to speak out. Say one little thing against Jews or Isreal and you are branded an antisemite!

"Zionists have no more intimidating weapon with which to discredit their opponents or silence their detractors than the allegation of anti-semitism".....Professor Cheryl Rubenberg, respected Jewish scholar.

That's because 99% of Israel haters are anti-Semites.

The other 1% are imbeciles who believe CNN and the BBC are impartial news sources.

And yes, the gang of thugs at the UN are rabid anti-Semites.

I can't wait until a Republican President comes to power and demolishes the UN building.

I would camp out for weeks in Central Park just to witness it.

u r so right the famous grand rabbi of satmar said that every gentile that hates Israel is because they hate Jews and this is coming from a holy person that was very anti Zionist

I can't wait until a Republican President comes to power and demolishes the UN building.

I would camp out for weeks in Central Park just to witness it.

What a peaceful thoughts since the UN had granted legitimacy to the rogue stat of Israel in 1949!

Jews Against the Occupation

Steve

Israel's economy is kicking but, natural gas discovery will make them that much stronger

How many sources of natural resources is Israel stealing from their neighbors? All that fresh water, natural gas and Palestinian land Israel is stealing for their own benefit is a violation of the Laws given to the Jews by Moses!!!

You shall not steal
You shall not kill/murder
You shall not covet ANYTHING that belongs to your neighbor!!!!!!!!!!

Susan: Could it be because what They say about Israel with out any proof???

Ther is never any real settlement freeze, the Jews do what ever they feel like doing. Imagine yourself with your house being bulldozed for some Jewish family to build and move in on your nickle.

susan u exposed your true colors with ur last comment u r purely an anti semite .

"What have they done for us? Nothing as far as I am concerned. They rule Hollywood, they rule the banks, they are too powerful in this country and too many people are afraid to speak out. Say one little thing against Jews or Isreal and you are branded an antisemite!

muti..........

"Zionists have no more intimidating weapon with which to discredit their opponents or silence their detractors than the allegation of anti-semitism".....Professor Cheryl Rubenberg, respected Jewish scholar.

g-mans i am not a zionist at all i just open my eyes and see that this conflict is purely based on hatred against the jews believe me i am not a zionist jew i am asking u why is the world obsessed with Israel as if that the only problem in the arab world?

Israel is the only problem in the Middle East.

Susan: What more can Israel do besides leaving the Middle East all together??? Israel was not the ones that Said They would wipe out the other Country!!! How do You expect Israel to really deal with Them???