This joker was analyzed to be "radical, angry and dangerous" with a lot of rage. And we plea- bargained with him? Isn't that a little like plea-bargaining with a rabid dog? I can't wait for his release in 9 years!!
I'm not bleeding heart people. Anybody who reads what I have researched about Islam knows that. But think about the precedent. If this guy should get a trial, prosecution and prison sentence, how on earth can we complain if our captured guys get treated as criminals and executed or worse?
He's a POW captured in war. It was a conventional battle that he was fighting with conventional weapons. Since when is it a war crime to be captured in a war? This guy definitely falls under the Geneva convention. So he's a Canadian? How does that matter?
War is like this. It's the ultimate shoot'em up game. When you capture the other side, they aren't obligated to like it. They can hate you all they want. Reasonable countries don't prosecute captured soldiers as criminals. For god's sake, the guy was fighting against our forces in a nation we invaded.
I think this guy is just a sacrificial lamb offered up to the public. It's ridiculous.
What a load of crap. What army was he a member of, none. That makes the scumbag a terrorist and not due any Geneva convention protections for soldiers. You are correct in one thing it is ridiculous that he is only getting an eight year sentence in addition to the eight he has already served. He should be getting a loaded rocket launcher shoved up his a$$ and the trigger pulled.
Excuse me? The USA invaded Afghanistan. He was part of an army that fought back against that. They didn't have uniforms, but that doesn't mean they weren't soldiers.
If he had done it on American soil, without an invasion force, then he would be a terrorist. Fighting on the soil of the country we invaded, against us? That's called patriotism Terry.
If a Muslim army invaded the USA and you fought back using what you had on hand, then according to your ideas, you would be a terrorist who should have a rocket launcher shoved up your behind. Would you enjoy that?
A Guantanamo Bay inmate admitted he was a teen terrorist out to kill "a lot of Americans," a U.S. war tribunal learned Tuesday at his sentencing hearing.
Someone send this article quickly to the Secretary of the State and the U.N. Human Rights group.
Maybe that will change their minds that this guy is not a "boy soldier" and "a victim" as claimed in an earlier MSNBC article (see link below). Further, this guy should not be allowed to go to Canada to "serve out his term" as recommended by the Secretary of the State when she intervened into this matter. She certainly is TRYING TO ACT LIKE the President.
Just think.....what IF Secretary Clinton was elected President......the Gitmo detainee area would be unlocked, the inmates given an escort through the minefields near the fence separating Gitmo~Cuba, through the Secruity gate at the Gitmo~Cuba security crossing, and allowed entry into Cuba. Nah, that would be too hard. Just fly them to Chicago and release them at O'hara.
I will ask the Department of Defense authority to re-instate my rank for one day to allow me to "swear Ellen into a branch of service". Ellen will be allowed to pick which component to enter, however I would reserve the right to select her first duty assignment.
Ellen shot down her own argument. She says she knows he's a Canadian. He went to Afghanistan to kill Americans for cash. The U.N. (not the U.S.) is in Afghanistan fighting terrorists, not the Afghan people.
If Canada was invaded...then he could be called a patriot. Leaving his country to kill for cash makes him a mercenary at the least, even without him admitting he is a terrorist.
Plus he got his TERRORIST TRAINING by the recommendations from his terrorist father, not military training. he is not a solider he is a terrorist plain and simple
I give this guy 2 months out of prison before someone kills him. Yep. Just enough time for him to go running back to Al Qaeda and his "I hate America" buddies, and lead the CIA to them. Then it's Mr. Cruise Missile for breakfast.
Some people are dangerous. Yes, he was a child doing what he was brought up to do. But we have 14 year old third generation gang bangers doing drive-by shootings here in Los Angles and being brought up to do it is never an excuse.
And many Nazi convicted of war crimes were fighting for their beliefs and country, so lose that "he is a patriot, he can't be a war criminal" stuff, you can very easily be both.
However they got where they are, some people need to be locked up. He killed a man and admitted he was after the money for doing it. Getting paid for murder is "special circumstances" and opens the door for the death sentence.
He deserves life and society needs him locked away for good. And most people consider me a Liberal, I am not some blood thirsty nuke'em all type.
For what it is worth I agree with your view far more then anything Ellen posted. Your comment is logical and thought out, unlike Ellen's emtional charged but basically void of facts rant. She hasn't not bothered to research the Geneva Conventions, she's knows nothing of military, ROEs and combat. Clearly she is an armchair liberal commander who thinks the world is run by rainbow and butterlies. I can only hope she is still in Middle school as she has a LOT to learn however her writting style shows her to be older.
They didn't have uniforms, but that doesn't mean they weren't soldiers....
..By the Geneva Conventions, that is exactly what it means...To be afforded the protections of the Conventions, you must be identifiable as a soldier in some manner...otherwise, you can be considered a spy, terrorist, etc. and shot....
...Seems this terrorist has been treated much better than the Geneva accords require, and certainly much better than many uniformed soldiers taken by his fellow terrorists....
Ellen, It takes a great deal of bravery for you to come on here and declare that you are not on America's side. Of course, that does kind of like sort of kind of make you the enemy(?)
He is not a freedom fighter or fighting for his country, by his own admission he wanted to "kill Americans and get a lot of money", that makes him a mercenary. Mercenaries get paid.
I think Ellen you should have taken your own advice. You really and truly think if he had been released with honor, flowers placed at his feet and given medals that al qaida and the taliban would have had any kind of mercy with any captured U.N. allied trooper. Ellen I have just reread your comment, are you really of the belief that we are fighting an army. Those that kill/execute their own women on football fields for absolutely nothing. Will kill their female children for getting an education as well as bomb their schools. They, who will kill a teacher in cold blood for teaching. I could go on but this is not an army, they are not even animals even animals don't do that. If you feel for them that way, you really need psychiatric treatment. Take your own advice think/learn before you write.
Trueblue - You might want to lighten up a little. It seems you have your bloomers in a bunch. Because another society believes that women should not be educated and treated as second class citizens does not mean that it is an extremist society. It wasn't until 1920 that women in the U.S. were elevated out of subservience by getting the right to vote. As far as people killing to reinforce their beliefs, aren't there groups of people in the U.S. that believe it is acceptable to kill to protect life (pro-life supporters)?
I absolutely think it is extreme to prevent women from getting an education. Just another way for men to hold women down. What if it was the other way around? What are men so afraid of?
You are right. There are groups of people in the US that believe it is acceptable to kill for whatever reason. And you know what they are? Extremists. Radicals. Yes there are radicals in the US. Just because they are American does not mean they aren't a little crazy in the head. And for the most part, they are not readily accepted by mainstream society.
It is not "wrong" to deny women education, as it is an accepted aspect of their culture and society. But to kill women and children over this dispute? Yea I think we can categorize that as extreme. To blow it out of the water, would a community based around cannibalism be extreme? In modern day views, yes. Even if the practice is inherent and a normal part of a group's culture, doesn't necessarily make it "ok" on the global stage.
Liberals like thinke always leave out the EXTREME actions and just say things like Americans didnt educate their woman back in the bla bla bla days.We got past that and like nlsk3 said you seemed to intently leave out the killing part or throwing acid in their face.Why is that thinker that liberals do that? Oh and when an American kills an orbortion doctor that said individual gets prosecuted.Muslims arent prosecutiong anyone for stoning women or children.Why dont they put uniforms on and fight?Why do they surround themselves with women and children?Why do they place bombs in private civilan areas?I wish we would get out of every Muslim state so they couldnt use that argumment any longer. Because they wont stop doing what they are doing just because we are gone.Silly Liberals they hate you to and would kill you any chance given.When the so called "majority" of peaceful Muslims stand up against the so called "few" extremist and join the rest of the world fighting them then we can feel a little safer and better about their so called religion of peace.
Ellen, you are a dumb $hit. The kid admits he was killing for $1500 a head. That makes him a mercenary. A murderer. Soldier? You have your head planted right straight up your a$$. I think we should drop you into Talibanland and you can go have a ball with your buddies. Maybe you can pal around with that skanky old dude that cut his teenage wife's nose off. Didn't she make a lovely portrait?
ok moron you are the terroıst you kılled thousands of ınnocent ppl your govt. fascıst .the person kılled was a soldıer .ıf you dont lıke to see soldıers yıng stop startıng wars stupıd rıght wıng fascıst.
He deliberately killed a person. He declares he will do it again. And for that he gets a nice cell for seven years in Canada? Tv, music, bed, good food? Should be life in prision in solitary.
I just don't understand why people feel the need to baby this guy. I agree with Bob, he will go right back to al-Qaeda and start killing again. He needs to go to a maximum security prison in the U.S. and be someone's girlfriend!
Frank? i have a question.. if that's the case..why is your government allowing the muslim into america, ?
If you say your government doesn't have a clue, then it sounds like "the people" need a say in the things they do. becuz they are not coherent.
is it so far gone that "the ppl" Don't have a say? if it is then uz might want to consider getting your own party together, a party who listens to the ppl. and carries out their wishes. For a better America. and all who live there.
Yeah, he probably will. But isn't that what we train our Marines to do too? I mean that's the point of war. It cuts both ways. Hold him as a POW. But put him on trial for throwing a grenade at a soldier on a battlefield? That just seems odd. As for him not being part of an army, neither were American Revolutionaries a part of a recognized army. I'm not saying what he stand for is right, but who are we to punish him as a murderer and expect our guys to get off the hook when they throw grenades? Just think about it objectively, not which side is right or wrong or good or evil, and you'll see it doesn't make sense. It's this mindless nationalistic fervor of "kill 'em all" that's going to make us lose this "war on terror." Because you can't go to war on an inanimate, incorporeal concept and you can't defeat terror using terror (which is what war necessarily is).
"Speer's widow, Tabitha Speer, is slated to address the court, the first time she will have a chance to tell Khadr directly about the impact his crimes have had on her."
And maybe he'll be able to tell her, the impact the Bush/Cheney crimes had on his family.
Bush and Cheney? This scum was in/from Canada. Last I checked, Canada's government wasn't a part of the United States' government. We just happen to occupy the same continent. Also, the last time I looked, Canada proper was not part of Afghanistan. I'm no fan of Bush or Cheney, but I certainly wish those who live their lives to bash and blame others would at least get the facts straight; and learn a little government and geography while they're at it.
As for this little rabid twerp, who feigns being a "child soldier," he should be put away forever. He is unreformable and unsalvageable. He is dangerous to all who come near him, and he will spread his vile disease and contagion of fanatacism and murder wherever he goes. He clearly stated that he was in the business of killing others for money ($1500 a pop), and building bombs to kill others was the "proudest" moment of his life. (How much more twisted can we get here?)
As for Mrs. Speer, I sincerely hope she tells this little jerk what he has robbed her of. But I also hope she tells him that she is much stronger than he, much better than he, and more powerful than he will ever be. I hope she tells him that the tiniest memory of her husband is far more inspiring to others than this little terrorist's biggest dream. He isn't fit to stand in her shadow.
If the young fella was as bad as you depict him, zapper..he would be a loony in the jail, and runnin around with a kitchen knife, killing everyone in sight.. and especially Americans.
don't be fooled, prisoners have acess to weapons, from both inside and from the outside, they wanum they getum.
he is 24 yrs old now. if mrs. speers believes in the Lord Jesus Christ, she will forgive him. there is no room for hate in Christ. Thatz the good part..we get to chose. we love or hate, do or die.
b4 you feed him to the sharks, you have to ask yourself, where did this notion of his come from? out of the blue?
take your armory off for a minute or two, and seriously seriously think of an answer that fits in the puzzle.
just ask yourself Daniel.. Where could that have came from? that he would want to kill many many american soldiers. and where would You be at inside yourself to have thoughts or feelings like he has had, and acted on them.
He grew up with a vicious, hating, hateful family, He became a vicious evil minded teen. He in all probability took part killing women and female children as well as any other horrific scene he could participate in. Once a rabid dog always a rabid dog, just ask ole Yeller. A must to be put down for there is no hope in this world for him. I loved ole Yeller he was a great dog.
I don't think the Taliban are the type to need US assistance to want to oppress the people. You mean through sharia lol? The US never gave them any rules to govern by. This guy was with a group that was armed and refused to surrender, killing 2 afghani's working with US troops. They had stored weapons,and had video taped themselves planting IED's. If he was just a child he should have fled the firefight with the women and the other children.
jared.. the boy is not a true blooded Canadian, Canada does not go Anywhere to learn how to kill Americans. He may have gotten Citizenship, or his kin b4 him. But, he is not true blooded Canadian.
I don't believe humans come out of the womb, with terror and an urge to kill Americans, i'm just saying.. Why on earth or what on earth would ever drive "Anyone " to think, say or do, such things.?.
He is just a child. and no, i do not believe he did these things becuz he is a bad person. I do however believe something terrible must have happened to him, in order for such drastic measures to be taken, by a child.
I hope you can see what it is i'm saying to you jared. maybe ask yourself jared, what would have had to have happened to you so that you would want to kill many many Americans on that level. ?. you can even broaded your view to say, some other country, or, the next door neighbor. What could drive you to do something like that. I'd have to be something......pretty bad.
Hate to say it but some people aren't "right in the head". Just because he was young doesn't mean what he did should be excused. He needs to be in jail, or very seriousy evaluated by pyschiatrists. Maybe not Jail but a mental institution.
The article states he was out to kill Americans for the $1500 bounty. That's Americans (men, women, children, Christians, Jews and Muslims) not just American soldiers.
Thatz the trouble MGM-- when folks aren't listening or are not in tune with Gods good ways...this is the outcome. kill kill kill rape rape rape steal steal steal..the whole kit an kaboodle. all of it.
i'm glad you didn't put that phrase the other way around tho. lol.
Now we should use the Islamic rule of deceit as is allowed by the book of evil and execute him. Why shouldn't we use the same tactics against the terrorists as they would use on us? He is not a soldier.
Iıs jesus evıl moses abraham they re ın the quran too.you ınsult the quran you ınsult them and all those that came before them and after them.actually you are quıte mısınformed.
No one cares about the koran, people care about being blown up because we have pornography, women in revealing outfits, practice christianity,wicca,satanism and are free to pick and chose whichever one we prefer.
we dont care what you do.but do you thınk we lıke gettıng blown up do you thınk we lıke buryıng our neıghbors frıends and famıly.do we lıke that? leave us alone stop kıllıng us you started thıs not us wıth ıt goes way back you have been kıllıng us fo rthe past 1400 years stop . and ıf you dont then ppl wıll react and do thıngs you dont lıke. Imsure most ppl ın then muslım world want to lıve ın peace but you ım speakıng about amerıca and ıts govt dont allow us to lıve a normal lıfe.
the chrıstıan world has never lıved at peace wıth anybody.ıf look at ıslamıc hıstory thıs ıs not the case. ppl were often pleased wıth the way we ruled and everyonee had a rıght to worshıp as they wanted.the ottoman turks buılt churches througout europe andth e mıddle east.what do dthe catholıc kıng and queen do to the muslıms ın andalucıa ın spaın he kılled them en masse.an jeews an who came to our lands jjews .and they flourıshe dfor centurıes and lıved ın peace up untıl the englısh and the french acame to the mıddle east. sınce then there has been polıtıcal chaos
but ıt dıdnt start from us ıt was started through western ıntolerance natıonalısm and bıgotry.
you never hear a muslım ınsult chrıstıanıty. but the people that ınsult ıslam really dont understand ıt at all . because they dont understand what was happenıng at that tıme perıod to the muslıms.ıslam only calls for self defence not offensıve war. becaasue of the wests actıons thıs boy felt ıslam needed defendıng.cuz lets face ıt thıs a war agaınst a relıgıon. and ıf ıt ısnt that ıs how ıs ıs vıewed.
MOGADISHU, Somalia — The two accused spies died amid a fusillade of bullets from a firing squad organized by a hardline Islamist militia. The condemned pair were only girls, aged 15 and 18, and their grieving relatives say they were uneducated, usually stayed at home and could not have spied for anyone 10/28 MSN
Is this the kind of self defense you're referring to?
“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends, they are but friends to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as friends, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the wrongdoers.”
"hey man ı dont drınk beer" says the muslım guy. "just one ıts ınly one beer" says the chrıstıan guy."yeah dude ı dont drınk ıt ıs agaınst my relıgıon" says the muslım. "whatever" says the chrıstıan guy.
chrıstıan guy says"hey man want to go to a club" muslım guy says " ı cant becasue ı cant go to places that serve alcholhol and ı ont lıke clubs ıd rather go to a cafe and read a book" chrıstıan guy says"thats weırd"
have you ever heard the phrase "you are who your frıends are " same ıdea .
ıf ı drınk that beer ı wıll feel bad ıf ı go clubbıng ı wıll fell baad ıf ı sleep wıth a strange gırl ı wıll feel bad. ı dontr need anyone to push me ın that dırectıon.
we lıve by our book or we try to . we can have chrıstıan frıends or jewısh frıends but we cant have pre martal sex lıke ı n chrıstıanıty .we can tconsume alcohol .we can be fırends but not ınıtımate frıends cuz ı cannot and am not allowed to do the thıngs you do.thats all we have nothıng agaınst chrıstıans but we dont want to forced or rıdıculed to do somethıng we dont want to do.
emir? the qua'ran was put together from mideval times, ancient times are before mideval.
the oldest qua'ran is guarded big time, and noone is allowed to see it . (red flag for me)
i agree ron, i think the same as u do, i can't understand why anyone muslims included would want to go anywhere else when there is so much love peace harmony and the whole 9 yards. .. now why would anyone want to leave that?
especially when they know very well they can't and won't find or have that in other countries. america included. it Awes me.
Puttiing this scumbag in jail will only cost the taxpayers more money. I for one don't want my taxes wasted anymore. Take the scumbag out back and put a bullet in his head and get it over with, problem solved, move on to the next little problem.
It's really a good thing we have these psychiatrists to let us know that Khadr was "full of rage." I don' think I could have ever guessed how such a young person who had spent 1/3 of his life in some military prison (that's located in Cuba for some reason) would feel.
It's also a really good thing that there aren't any enemy soldiers in Afghanistan, so the US soldiers never need to worry about killing one with a grenade. They might need to go to Cuba if they did something as bad as killing a soldier in war. There's just regular people there though, no soldiers, so there's no need to worry. Blow as many of them up as you want.
As a Canadian living in Toronto, my only comment is.....PLEASE ...PLEASE do not send that terrorist back to us after a year. Keep him...he's all yours.
ron.. yer lucky the eskimos didn't come out of their Igloo and club You. they're use to the blizzards.
pretty big beavers up there ron. lol. and for future reference ron, a beaver can jump "feet" in the air. they attack when they're threatened. be ye careful. Real careful.!!.
maybe he should go on the view an express his beliefs with woopy, she could take him in for the next 8 yrs and try to understand his anger.?? I mean shes always open to everyones point of view
Sometimes when i read comments like yours Billy, i can't help but wonder, do they have the technology to track you and others..................if u catch my drift.
I was disgusted to read this one-sided, grossly misleading report on MSNBC. I expect better from this network. Of course this child is "full of rage", even if the source is a "government hired psychologist". He has been held without trial for 8 years! And to describe his actions as "Crimes" is nauseating. He was 15 years old, in a warrior culture, whose country was being invaded. His father trained him to fight, so he did. In more balanced reporting elsewhere, the "trial" is called out for what it is...a sham. And his confession of "guilt" was the only way to prevent him from being detained indefinitely. In the macho culture of too many American towns and families, where young men are not only encouraged to "fight" but rewarded for it, what would happen if their neighborhood were being invaded? Would we call it a "crime" if they fought their invaders? And how many of them will have weapons available? Many. MSNBC prides itself on not being part of the MSM, or is that only Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow? Please post a more accurate accounting of this travesty. Even among MSNBC readers/watchers, there are way too many people who won't know the real truth and will accept this report at face value.
Once again for Melody. He is Canadian. When did the US invade Canada? Secondly, the US has not invaded Afghanistan, the UN is in Afghanistan driving out terrorists. Terrorists that are killing thier own people and anyone else that doesn't agree with them.
how many times do i gots to tell u..he not Canadian, he not pure blooded Canadian, he from somewherez else, he might have citizenship, but that means as much as a muslim is an American.
even if their maw an paw was borned the baby here,
sheesh.....Canadians just drink beer and we say....A allot. then we pass out. lol. we don't go lookin for Americans to kill, or anyone else.
Melody did you not read the part of him being a Canadien?He went to Afghanistan on his on behalf to "Kill Lots Of Americans for $1500 a pop".So how do you make your case of him defending his homeland?How many 15yr olds get prosecuted here in the states for killing or raping or beating someone up?Can they just say "Well my daddy made me do it cause he taught me"?Is it all just nurture in how we completly think?At what age do you have to be accountable?Here in the US it can and has been that age.You think the Afghanistans need us there to be killing themselves.They have been killing their own wy before we got there.I thought this is where all the Liberals said the war was supposed to be fought anyways because if you can still remember we werent there until when??Oh yea after they flew civilan planes into 2 towers where civilans where trying to live the American Dream.Unless US Soldiers were there before 9/11 and I just dont know about it.They brought the war to us and now we are taking it to them.All the while they wont wear a uniform that seperates them from civilans and use women and children for cover.
Please stand all those who stated that he was fighting for his country ! Please stand all those who felt so sorry for this money grabbing killer ! Please stand all those who believed him to be a soldier of honorable intent ! Please stand all Canadians who do not want him returning to Canadian soil. OOOHH loooook, of 30 million Canadians only 2 are sitting. His mother and sister. They too are just like him cold killers deep at heart.
This joker was analyzed to be "radical, angry and dangerous" with a lot of rage. And we plea- bargained with him? Isn't that a little like plea-bargaining with a rabid dog? I can't wait for his release in 9 years!!
I'm not bleeding heart people. Anybody who reads what I have researched about Islam knows that. But think about the precedent. If this guy should get a trial, prosecution and prison sentence, how on earth can we complain if our captured guys get treated as criminals and executed or worse?
He's a POW captured in war. It was a conventional battle that he was fighting with conventional weapons. Since when is it a war crime to be captured in a war? This guy definitely falls under the Geneva convention. So he's a Canadian? How does that matter?
War is like this. It's the ultimate shoot'em up game. When you capture the other side, they aren't obligated to like it. They can hate you all they want. Reasonable countries don't prosecute captured soldiers as criminals. For god's sake, the guy was fighting against our forces in a nation we invaded.
I think this guy is just a sacrificial lamb offered up to the public. It's ridiculous.
What a load of crap. What army was he a member of, none. That makes the scumbag a terrorist and not due any Geneva convention protections for soldiers. You are correct in one thing it is ridiculous that he is only getting an eight year sentence in addition to the eight he has already served. He should be getting a loaded rocket launcher shoved up his a$$ and the trigger pulled.
Excuse me? The USA invaded Afghanistan. He was part of an army that fought back against that. They didn't have uniforms, but that doesn't mean they weren't soldiers.
If he had done it on American soil, without an invasion force, then he would be a terrorist. Fighting on the soil of the country we invaded, against us? That's called patriotism Terry.
If a Muslim army invaded the USA and you fought back using what you had on hand, then according to your ideas, you would be a terrorist who should have a rocket launcher shoved up your behind. Would you enjoy that?
Ellen: Please go over to Khandahar Afghanistan and explain your view to the Taliban. I think they'll like you.
Someone send this article quickly to the Secretary of the State and the U.N. Human Rights group.
Maybe that will change their minds that this guy is not a "boy soldier" and "a victim" as claimed in an earlier MSNBC article (see link below). Further, this guy should not be allowed to go to Canada to "serve out his term" as recommended by the Secretary of the State when she intervened into this matter. She certainly is TRYING TO ACT LIKE the President.
Just think.....what IF Secretary Clinton was elected President......the Gitmo detainee area would be unlocked, the inmates given an escort through the minefields near the fence separating Gitmo~Cuba, through the Secruity gate at the Gitmo~Cuba security crossing, and allowed entry into Cuba. Nah, that would be too hard. Just fly them to Chicago and release them at O'hara.
If Ellen is old enough....
I will ask the Department of Defense authority to re-instate my rank for one day to allow me to "swear Ellen into a branch of service". Ellen will be allowed to pick which component to enter, however I would reserve the right to select her first duty assignment.
Ellen shot down her own argument. She says she knows he's a Canadian. He went to Afghanistan to kill Americans for cash. The U.N. (not the U.S.) is in Afghanistan fighting terrorists, not the Afghan people.
If Canada was invaded...then he could be called a patriot. Leaving his country to kill for cash makes him a mercenary at the least, even without him admitting he is a terrorist.
Ellen,
He's from Canada. He isn't even from Afghanistan. He went there to get $1500 per american killed.
How is he a "freedom fighter" or defending his country?
Ellen
Plus he got his TERRORIST TRAINING by the recommendations from his terrorist father, not military training. he is not a solider he is a terrorist plain and simple
I give this guy 2 months out of prison before someone kills him. Yep. Just enough time for him to go running back to Al Qaeda and his "I hate America" buddies, and lead the CIA to them. Then it's Mr. Cruise Missile for breakfast.
The rest of his sentence? He should already have gotten a bad case of lead poisoning.Even if it would be a waste of a good bullet.
Some people are dangerous. Yes, he was a child doing what he was brought up to do. But we have 14 year old third generation gang bangers doing drive-by shootings here in Los Angles and being brought up to do it is never an excuse.
And many Nazi convicted of war crimes were fighting for their beliefs and country, so lose that "he is a patriot, he can't be a war criminal" stuff, you can very easily be both.
However they got where they are, some people need to be locked up. He killed a man and admitted he was after the money for doing it. Getting paid for murder is "special circumstances" and opens the door for the death sentence.
He deserves life and society needs him locked away for good. And most people consider me a Liberal, I am not some blood thirsty nuke'em all type.
Edward Bruce Williams
For what it is worth I agree with your view far more then anything Ellen posted. Your comment is logical and thought out, unlike Ellen's emtional charged but basically void of facts rant. She hasn't not bothered to research the Geneva Conventions, she's knows nothing of military, ROEs and combat. Clearly she is an armchair liberal commander who thinks the world is run by rainbow and butterlies. I can only hope she is still in Middle school as she has a LOT to learn however her writting style shows her to be older.
..By the Geneva Conventions, that is exactly what it means...To be afforded the protections of the Conventions, you must be identifiable as a soldier in some manner...otherwise, you can be considered a spy, terrorist, etc. and shot....
...Seems this terrorist has been treated much better than the Geneva accords require, and certainly much better than many uniformed soldiers taken by his fellow terrorists....
Ellen, It takes a great deal of bravery for you to come on here and declare that you are not on America's side. Of course, that does kind of like sort of kind of make you the enemy(?)
He is not a freedom fighter or fighting for his country, by his own admission he wanted to "kill Americans and get a lot of money", that makes him a mercenary. Mercenaries get paid.
The military and black water get paid so the money argument does not cut it.
This guy is a terrorist and our enemy simple as that and we should kill him.
We need to quit capturing these people,They need to die on the spot as far as the media is concerned.
8 years from now he will be killing again. Nice justice.
Anyone happy at hurting another should get the same treatment.
Then any of our soldiers overseas who are pleased when they kill the enemy should be locked up for it.
Think a little before you write.
do you know who the vengence belongs to, chessdad?
I think Ellen you should have taken your own advice. You really and truly think if he had been released with honor, flowers placed at his feet and given medals that al qaida and the taliban would have had any kind of mercy with any captured U.N. allied trooper. Ellen I have just reread your comment, are you really of the belief that we are fighting an army. Those that kill/execute their own women on football fields for absolutely nothing. Will kill their female children for getting an education as well as bomb their schools. They, who will kill a teacher in cold blood for teaching. I could go on but this is not an army, they are not even animals even animals don't do that. If you feel for them that way, you really need psychiatric treatment. Take your own advice think/learn before you write.
Marika,
Look at any frat house hazing and tell me there is any difference!
Trueblue - You might want to lighten up a little. It seems you have your bloomers in a bunch. Because another society believes that women should not be educated and treated as second class citizens does not mean that it is an extremist society. It wasn't until 1920 that women in the U.S. were elevated out of subservience by getting the right to vote. As far as people killing to reinforce their beliefs, aren't there groups of people in the U.S. that believe it is acceptable to kill to protect life (pro-life supporters)?
I absolutely think it is extreme to prevent women from getting an education. Just another way for men to hold women down. What if it was the other way around? What are men so afraid of?
@the thinker
You are right. There are groups of people in the US that believe it is acceptable to kill for whatever reason. And you know what they are? Extremists. Radicals. Yes there are radicals in the US. Just because they are American does not mean they aren't a little crazy in the head. And for the most part, they are not readily accepted by mainstream society.
It is not "wrong" to deny women education, as it is an accepted aspect of their culture and society. But to kill women and children over this dispute? Yea I think we can categorize that as extreme. To blow it out of the water, would a community based around cannibalism be extreme? In modern day views, yes. Even if the practice is inherent and a normal part of a group's culture, doesn't necessarily make it "ok" on the global stage.
Liberals like thinke always leave out the EXTREME actions and just say things like Americans didnt educate their woman back in the bla bla bla days.We got past that and like nlsk3 said you seemed to intently leave out the killing part or throwing acid in their face.Why is that thinker that liberals do that? Oh and when an American kills an orbortion doctor that said individual gets prosecuted.Muslims arent prosecutiong anyone for stoning women or children.Why dont they put uniforms on and fight?Why do they surround themselves with women and children?Why do they place bombs in private civilan areas?I wish we would get out of every Muslim state so they couldnt use that argumment any longer. Because they wont stop doing what they are doing just because we are gone.Silly Liberals they hate you to and would kill you any chance given.When the so called "majority" of peaceful Muslims stand up against the so called "few" extremist and join the rest of the world fighting them then we can feel a little safer and better about their so called religion of peace.
Why yes Ellen, It seems that in fact you are the enemy.
Ellen, you are a dumb $hit. The kid admits he was killing for $1500 a head. That makes him a mercenary. A murderer. Soldier? You have your head planted right straight up your a$$. I think we should drop you into Talibanland and you can go have a ball with your buddies. Maybe you can pal around with that skanky old dude that cut his teenage wife's nose off. Didn't she make a lovely portrait?
Some women like to be held down and some like it the other way around but most (men) are not afraid of anything.
Kill the useless piece of human garbage and be done with it.
you mean the like those blackwater mercenaries.yup to hell with them.
Nope, just the freak Muslim terrorist.
ok moron you are the terroıst you kılled thousands of ınnocent ppl your govt. fascıst .the person kılled was a soldıer .ıf you dont lıke to see soldıers yıng stop startıng wars stupıd rıght wıng fascıst.
He deliberately killed a person. He declares he will do it again. And for that he gets a nice cell for seven years in Canada? Tv, music, bed, good food? Should be life in prision in solitary.
I just don't understand why people feel the need to baby this guy. I agree with Bob, he will go right back to al-Qaeda and start killing again. He needs to go to a maximum security prison in the U.S. and be someone's girlfriend!
Frank? i have a question.. if that's the case..why is your government allowing the muslim into america, ?
If you say your government doesn't have a clue, then it sounds like "the people" need a say in the things they do. becuz they are not coherent.
is it so far gone that "the ppl" Don't have a say? if it is then uz might want to consider getting your own party together, a party who listens to the ppl. and carries out their wishes. For a better America. and all who live there.
clean hands.....?.. why do you want to percecute him so much?
after you think about that.. ask yourself this.. why does he want to percecute americans (soldiers) so much?
Will Ellen do ?
He will kill again, like a mad dog. Kill him NOW...
Yeah, he probably will. But isn't that what we train our Marines to do too? I mean that's the point of war. It cuts both ways. Hold him as a POW. But put him on trial for throwing a grenade at a soldier on a battlefield? That just seems odd. As for him not being part of an army, neither were American Revolutionaries a part of a recognized army. I'm not saying what he stand for is right, but who are we to punish him as a murderer and expect our guys to get off the hook when they throw grenades? Just think about it objectively, not which side is right or wrong or good or evil, and you'll see it doesn't make sense. It's this mindless nationalistic fervor of "kill 'em all" that's going to make us lose this "war on terror." Because you can't go to war on an inanimate, incorporeal concept and you can't defeat terror using terror (which is what war necessarily is).
"Speer's widow, Tabitha Speer, is slated to address the court, the first time she will have a chance to tell Khadr directly about the impact his crimes have had on her."
And maybe he'll be able to tell her, the impact the Bush/Cheney crimes had on his family.
What Bush/Cheney crimes in Afghanistan are you referring to? This scumbag went looking for trouble and found it. Too bad the POS is still alive.
Remember, it was scum like him, that hijacked and flew our own civilian airliners into the towers, etc. Bush/Cheney didn't start this mess, they did.
Bush and Cheney? This scum was in/from Canada. Last I checked, Canada's government wasn't a part of the United States' government. We just happen to occupy the same continent. Also, the last time I looked, Canada proper was not part of Afghanistan. I'm no fan of Bush or Cheney, but I certainly wish those who live their lives to bash and blame others would at least get the facts straight; and learn a little government and geography while they're at it.
As for this little rabid twerp, who feigns being a "child soldier," he should be put away forever. He is unreformable and unsalvageable. He is dangerous to all who come near him, and he will spread his vile disease and contagion of fanatacism and murder wherever he goes. He clearly stated that he was in the business of killing others for money ($1500 a pop), and building bombs to kill others was the "proudest" moment of his life. (How much more twisted can we get here?)
As for Mrs. Speer, I sincerely hope she tells this little jerk what he has robbed her of. But I also hope she tells him that she is much stronger than he, much better than he, and more powerful than he will ever be. I hope she tells him that the tiniest memory of her husband is far more inspiring to others than this little terrorist's biggest dream. He isn't fit to stand in her shadow.
If the young fella was as bad as you depict him, zapper..he would be a loony in the jail, and runnin around with a kitchen knife, killing everyone in sight.. and especially Americans.
don't be fooled, prisoners have acess to weapons, from both inside and from the outside, they wanum they getum.
he is 24 yrs old now. if mrs. speers believes in the Lord Jesus Christ, she will forgive him. there is no room for hate in Christ. Thatz the good part..we get to chose. we love or hate, do or die.
Why eight years? He's a sworn enemy of the United States intent on killing more Americans. Take him out back and feed him to the sharks.
b4 you feed him to the sharks, you have to ask yourself, where did this notion of his come from? out of the blue?
take your armory off for a minute or two, and seriously seriously think of an answer that fits in the puzzle.
just ask yourself Daniel.. Where could that have came from? that he would want to kill many many american soldiers. and where would You be at inside yourself to have thoughts or feelings like he has had, and acted on them.
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$1500.00 a pop was where the notion came from. The "boy" said himself; he wanted to kill lots of Americans and make lots of money.
He grew up with a vicious, hating, hateful family, He became a vicious evil minded teen. He in all probability took part killing women and female children as well as any other horrific scene he could participate in. Once a rabid dog always a rabid dog, just ask ole Yeller. A must to be put down for there is no hope in this world for him. I loved ole Yeller he was a great dog.
I don't think the Taliban are the type to need US assistance to want to oppress the people. You mean through sharia lol? The US never gave them any rules to govern by. This guy was with a group that was armed and refused to surrender, killing 2 afghani's working with US troops. They had stored weapons,and had video taped themselves planting IED's. If he was just a child he should have fled the firefight with the women and the other children.
jared.. the boy is not a true blooded Canadian, Canada does not go Anywhere to learn how to kill Americans. He may have gotten Citizenship, or his kin b4 him. But, he is not true blooded Canadian.
I don't believe humans come out of the womb, with terror and an urge to kill Americans, i'm just saying.. Why on earth or what on earth would ever drive "Anyone " to think, say or do, such things.?.
He is just a child. and no, i do not believe he did these things becuz he is a bad person. I do however believe something terrible must have happened to him, in order for such drastic measures to be taken, by a child.
I hope you can see what it is i'm saying to you jared. maybe ask yourself jared, what would have had to have happened to you so that you would want to kill many many Americans on that level. ?. you can even broaded your view to say, some other country, or, the next door neighbor. What could drive you to do something like that. I'd have to be something......pretty bad.
My neighbor stole my lawnmower.
Hate to say it but some people aren't "right in the head". Just because he was young doesn't mean what he did should be excused. He needs to be in jail, or very seriousy evaluated by pyschiatrists. Maybe not Jail but a mental institution.
hmmm, i wonder Why he was out to kill allot of american soldiers.
never mind.. i already know why. could it be? enoughs enough? kinda thing.?
The article states he was out to kill Americans for the $1500 bounty. That's Americans (men, women, children, Christians, Jews and Muslims) not just American soldiers.
Yes, Terry. I am sure he was going to kill all those American Jewish children roaming around Afghanistan in 2002.
Yes, Freddy. I'm sure he was just too impatient to wait for the Mumbai attacks.
Of course there no reference to Hilliary Clinton speaking in his behalf for a lighter sentence.
What a waste of young life. God damn al-qaida.
Thatz the trouble MGM-- when folks aren't listening or are not in tune with Gods good ways...this is the outcome. kill kill kill rape rape rape steal steal steal..the whole kit an kaboodle. all of it.
i'm glad you didn't put that phrase the other way around tho. lol.
Ms. Clinton negotiated this plea. I think she should have to keep him for the next 8 years.
Na ! shes got Bill.
he is miserable, he needs to be put out of his misery
Make him go hunting with Dick Cheney.
Now we should use the Islamic rule of deceit as is allowed by the book of evil and execute him. Why shouldn't we use the same tactics against the terrorists as they would use on us? He is not a soldier.
Iıs jesus evıl moses abraham they re ın the quran too.you ınsult the quran you ınsult them and all those that came before them and after them.actually you are quıte mısınformed.
No one cares about the koran, people care about being blown up because we have pornography, women in revealing outfits, practice christianity,wicca,satanism and are free to pick and chose whichever one we prefer.
we dont care what you do.but do you thınk we lıke gettıng blown up do you thınk we lıke buryıng our neıghbors frıends and famıly.do we lıke that? leave us alone stop kıllıng us you started thıs not us wıth ıt goes way back you have been kıllıng us fo rthe past 1400 years stop . and ıf you dont then ppl wıll react and do thıngs you dont lıke. Imsure most ppl ın then muslım world want to lıve ın peace but you ım speakıng about amerıca and ıts govt dont allow us to lıve a normal lıfe.
the chrıstıan world has never lıved at peace wıth anybody.ıf look at ıslamıc hıstory thıs ıs not the case. ppl were often pleased wıth the way we ruled and everyonee had a rıght to worshıp as they wanted.the ottoman turks buılt churches througout europe andth e mıddle east.what do dthe catholıc kıng and queen do to the muslıms ın andalucıa ın spaın he kılled them en masse.an jeews an who came to our lands jjews .and they flourıshe dfor centurıes and lıved ın peace up untıl the englısh and the french acame to the mıddle east. sınce then there has been polıtıcal chaos
but ıt dıdnt start from us ıt was started through western ıntolerance natıonalısm and bıgotry.
you never hear a muslım ınsult chrıstıanıty. but the people that ınsult ıslam really dont understand ıt at all . because they dont understand what was happenıng at that tıme perıod to the muslıms.ıslam only calls for self defence not offensıve war. becaasue of the wests actıons thıs boy felt ıslam needed defendıng.cuz lets face ıt thıs a war agaınst a relıgıon. and ıf ıt ısnt that ıs how ıs ıs vıewed.
Is this the kind of self defense you're referring to?
“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as friends, they are but friends to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as friends, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the wrongdoers.”
"hey man ı dont drınk beer" says the muslım guy. "just one ıts ınly one beer" says the chrıstıan guy."yeah dude ı dont drınk ıt ıs agaınst my relıgıon" says the muslım. "whatever" says the chrıstıan guy.
chrıstıan guy says"hey man want to go to a club" muslım guy says " ı cant becasue ı cant go to places that serve alcholhol and ı ont lıke clubs ıd rather go to a cafe and read a book" chrıstıan guy says"thats weırd"
have you ever heard the phrase "you are who your frıends are " same ıdea .
ıf ı drınk that beer ı wıll feel bad ıf ı go clubbıng ı wıll fell baad ıf ı sleep wıth a strange gırl ı wıll feel bad. ı dontr need anyone to push me ın that dırectıon.
we lıve by our book or we try to . we can have chrıstıan frıends or jewısh frıends but we cant have pre martal sex lıke ı n chrıstıanıty .we can tconsume alcohol .we can be fırends but not ınıtımate frıends cuz ı cannot and am not allowed to do the thıngs you do.thats all we have nothıng agaınst chrıstıans but we dont want to forced or rıdıculed to do somethıng we dont want to do.
Well then go back to one of your Muslim countries and stay there.
emir? the qua'ran was put together from mideval times, ancient times are before mideval.
the oldest qua'ran is guarded big time, and noone is allowed to see it . (red flag for me)
i agree ron, i think the same as u do, i can't understand why anyone muslims included would want to go anywhere else when there is so much love peace harmony and the whole 9 yards. .. now why would anyone want to leave that?
especially when they know very well they can't and won't find or have that in other countries. america included. it Awes me.
Puttiing this scumbag in jail will only cost the taxpayers more money. I for one don't want my taxes wasted anymore. Take the scumbag out back and put a bullet in his head and get it over with, problem solved, move on to the next little problem.
It's really a good thing we have these psychiatrists to let us know that Khadr was "full of rage." I don' think I could have ever guessed how such a young person who had spent 1/3 of his life in some military prison (that's located in Cuba for some reason) would feel.
It's also a really good thing that there aren't any enemy soldiers in Afghanistan, so the US soldiers never need to worry about killing one with a grenade. They might need to go to Cuba if they did something as bad as killing a soldier in war. There's just regular people there though, no soldiers, so there's no need to worry. Blow as many of them up as you want.
It's obvious he was full of rage BEFORE he was sent to prison!
yup and amerıcan soldıers are fılled wıth love for theır enemıes
I knew you were the enemy.
As a Canadian living in Toronto, my only comment is.....PLEASE ...PLEASE do not send that terrorist back to us after a year. Keep him...he's all yours.
I agree, Dave. Give him a grenade with the pin pulled and see how long he can hold it!!!
Toronto is a heavy place to be, and i'm sure Toronto is feeling it there. I'm North of you. It's nice and peaceful here.
I live in an Igloo and I have a pet Seal.. lol..
Do you wear one of those fuzzy hats and rub noses too? LOL ;-)
Depends on what you look like Tex Deb.
I clubbed a seal once pretty close to an igloo but I thought it was a beaver I could not see real well in the blizzard.
hahahaha, i sure do, texan, LOL.
ron.. yer lucky the eskimos didn't come out of their Igloo and club You. they're use to the blizzards.
pretty big beavers up there ron. lol. and for future reference ron, a beaver can jump "feet" in the air. they attack when they're threatened. be ye careful. Real careful.!!.
maybe he should go on the view an express his beliefs with woopy, she could take him in for the next 8 yrs and try to understand his anger.?? I mean shes always open to everyones point of view
The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim. Have never trusted any of them even before 9/11. Evil "religion" created by Satan himself.
Sometimes when i read comments like yours Billy, i can't help but wonder, do they have the technology to track you and others..................if u catch my drift.
Satan's not nice .
at least ı know who my father ıs
golly gee bıll ı thınk that hurts my feelıngs.stupıd redneck .
and i bet your mother knows a lot of fathers.
I was disgusted to read this one-sided, grossly misleading report on MSNBC. I expect better from this network. Of course this child is "full of rage", even if the source is a "government hired psychologist". He has been held without trial for 8 years! And to describe his actions as "Crimes" is nauseating. He was 15 years old, in a warrior culture, whose country was being invaded. His father trained him to fight, so he did. In more balanced reporting elsewhere, the "trial" is called out for what it is...a sham. And his confession of "guilt" was the only way to prevent him from being detained indefinitely. In the macho culture of too many American towns and families, where young men are not only encouraged to "fight" but rewarded for it, what would happen if their neighborhood were being invaded? Would we call it a "crime" if they fought their invaders? And how many of them will have weapons available? Many. MSNBC prides itself on not being part of the MSM, or is that only Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow? Please post a more accurate accounting of this travesty. Even among MSNBC readers/watchers, there are way too many people who won't know the real truth and will accept this report at face value.
he was a misguided youth. after all 1500.00 bucks is alot of money. How much would you offer , melody, to kill Americans.?
In Canada this would be thrown out of court, because everyone is entitled to a fair and speedy trial.
If you want and really need that Melody You should go and live with his mother and sister for a while.
Once again for Melody. He is Canadian. When did the US invade Canada? Secondly, the US has not invaded Afghanistan, the UN is in Afghanistan driving out terrorists. Terrorists that are killing thier own people and anyone else that doesn't agree with them.
Reading comprehension: look it up.
how many times do i gots to tell u..he not Canadian, he not pure blooded Canadian, he from somewherez else, he might have citizenship, but that means as much as a muslim is an American.
even if their maw an paw was borned the baby here,
sheesh.....Canadians just drink beer and we say....A allot. then we pass out. lol. we don't go lookin for Americans to kill, or anyone else.
And I rest my case after reading all the other insane, xenophobic comments to this article.
You have to have a case Melody before you rest it.
You forgot racist and neanderthal Melody. You know the other words that we could care less about you calling us?
Melody did you not read the part of him being a Canadien?He went to Afghanistan on his on behalf to "Kill Lots Of Americans for $1500 a pop".So how do you make your case of him defending his homeland?How many 15yr olds get prosecuted here in the states for killing or raping or beating someone up?Can they just say "Well my daddy made me do it cause he taught me"?Is it all just nurture in how we completly think?At what age do you have to be accountable?Here in the US it can and has been that age.You think the Afghanistans need us there to be killing themselves.They have been killing their own wy before we got there.I thought this is where all the Liberals said the war was supposed to be fought anyways because if you can still remember we werent there until when??Oh yea after they flew civilan planes into 2 towers where civilans where trying to live the American Dream.Unless US Soldiers were there before 9/11 and I just dont know about it.They brought the war to us and now we are taking it to them.All the while they wont wear a uniform that seperates them from civilans and use women and children for cover.
w/Christ? i was wondering what you think about, it is said the US Gov. set that up. the twin towers.
if the US gov. didn't set it up, then what's the reason it happened.?.
if this child ever writes a book, and gets to the nitty gritty, and inside the nooks an crannys..it will be good for the world to read it.
Just kill this POS !!!!!!!!!
"a trained al Qaida terrorist who shared the group's goals of killing Americans and Jews and "plundering their money."
Ah, hah. The neat thing about kids is that they are more truthful than adults.
The REAL reason al qaida wants to take america. Money not allah.
I appreciate his childlike honesty.
Please stand all those who stated that he was fighting for his country ! Please stand all those who felt so sorry for this money grabbing killer ! Please stand all those who believed him to be a soldier of honorable intent ! Please stand all Canadians who do not want him returning to Canadian soil. OOOHH loooook, of 30 million Canadians only 2 are sitting. His mother and sister. They too are just like him cold killers deep at heart.