I think you'd have to be really radical to say something like that. It'd be tantamount to saying 911 was 'planned by the government.' By the way, as much as I'd love to torture this guy, it would be for vengeance. I don't believe torture is an effective tool of interrogation at all and do believe it causes more harm than good. You know, inflicted by our government.

If this terrorist 'accidentally' finds his way to being tortured by another inmate, I will say, "Aw, shucks!" and snap my fingers while snickering. Of course, the chance for that is low, as he'll probably be in solitary confinement, except when he's allowed to walk around in a 10' square wearing shackles and a ball gag :) Sometimes the right amount of torture is a life sentence.

Wish Scotland knew about that.....

There is solid evidence that incarcerated terrorists recruit other prisoners.

Since all we don't need is more terrorists, I believe the jihadists must be kept in solitary confinement without outside contact so they can't recruit others or plan terrorist acts.

Another obvious way to handle them is to give them a mandatory death sentence with no appeal process.

911 was planned and carried out by a bunch of dudes living in caves!

No I won't whine about him being tortured. I will whine whine about him being 15 at the time of his arrest and therefore a minor! And reall!y soldiers attack the compound he is in and he fights back and that is a war crime! LOL. I wonder what you would call the nuking of TWO cities full of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians!!!! Gee I can't imagine who did that!!!!!!

I will whine about the fact that he has been held for most of 9 years without charge. I will whine that his indefinite detention is why he pleaded guilty as he had no choice, especially since the legal representation he had was assigned by his accusers LOL and even that counsel balked at the legality of military commisions/tribunals. I will whine that he never did, nor would he ever, have a fair trial that might actually examine the admissible evidence. The military commisions are nothing but a joke with not even a pretense of being lawful or fair! If he truly did commit a war crime the Hague has been fine for every two bit genocidle dictators starting WITH THE NAZIS, commiters of the most heinous crime in modern history. But somehow I guess since the US was attacked the no longer are for some reason! Why isn't or hasn't he been tried there! Can't wait to hear your truther like conspiracy theories about that one! Funny how similar these things are to the old news stories about the Soviet Union especially how they kept up the illusion of charges and a trail but always got the verdict they wanted.

It's not about being a softass but a believer in the rule of law. ALL and I mean ALL the terrorists in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center were caught, tried, convicted and are serving life in the public non-military penal system all following the US Constitutions RULE OF LAW! Period. Court cases were even held in New York! Just ask noun/verb/911 Giulianni! LOL! Pretty sure he was mayor during the trials LOL!

You and many others need to go back to school to learn what the principles the country was founded on really mean. Study the constitution instead of spouting off heated rhetoric about one aspect of the constitution, while ignoring all the others! Your opinions are evidence of your glaring lack of any understanding of freedom or law!

The thing is, Chilly, while I have no objection to your being up in arms about what you believe this country should be about, let's face it....law is manipulated. Republicans and Democrats have a solid history of picking the courts they want their enemies to appear in. To say whether a terrorist should be classified as a military prisoner, or given the same rights as a citizen, is to begin a debate about ethics in law, not 'the truth' per se.

I would, however, like to point out to my thinking conservative-ish peers that civilian courts have a higher conviction rate than military ones for murder. Keep that in mind as you launch your vim and vigor in favor of military courts. The Bleeding Hearts and Corporate Shills will never understand that the logical way to conduct this arguement is about what is the most effective way of dealing with these radicals. But they are mindless, slavering, tape recorders for politicians. Use your own minds and come to a conclusion not handed to you by some red-faced, desk pounding, moron.

Put a cap in his ass and call it a day.

"I wonder what you would call the nuking of TWO cities full of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians!!!!"

Different time, different circumstances, different war. One has nothing to do with the other.

TOR-744926

911 was planned and carried out by a bunch of dudes living in caves!

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No, TOR, We had not invaded Afghanistan or Iraq during the time the 911 US Civilian Massacre was being planned and executed by the Muslim Extremest. The only attempt to kill "A Very Few" of them was made by Bill Clinton when he sent a few Cruise Missiles into the regions they were known to occupy.

Before the US, UK and all the other forces invaded Afghanistan, Al-Qaida enjoyed 100% movement and reign over that entire Region. They had a VERY sophisticated network of Military Training camp and terrorist Bomb training facilities. Those people were no "Cave Dwellers" during the late 90's and early 2000's... They may have had Factions who occupied those regions... But make no mistake, they were in possession of some of the best communication equipment there is... we have now deprived them of such tools and you can clearly see the results... Use your head instead of your agenda...

The amount of sophistication they enjoyed was only limited to the amount of money they had... and given the Bin-Laden Family Fortune along with the THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS who gave up EVERYTHING...Money, Wives, Land, Businesses and Personal freedom (just as those who are caught up by Religious Cults here and abroad still do) they were financed very well.

The documentation and Proof of the training facilities is above reproach. As is the investigation into who was "Hands on involved" and who was "Guilty by association"... the investigation by the FBI, CIA, NSA and all o the investigative branches of our armed services has more or less pulled the entire mission of 911 apart and dissected its pieces like one would a Thanksgiving Turkey. Who and what did these investigations does not boil down to some "Sergent and his helper"... The investigation into 911 was severe, complete and reliable....

Reliable to all but those who benefit, profit or have their Ego stroked by denying it.

What is the most staggering to any and everyone involved seems to be the Willingness and and the unfettered desire by some to protect and micro-manage this horrendous act by the Radical Muslim Jihad Machine. Giving those responsible from either a Logistic or Data/Information standpoint, the ability to learn from the mistakes they made in THIS attack... and apply what they know to the next.

They have taken young and old mind alike... Minds that are unacceptable to this type of Radical Political message... the message that insists that "THE ENDS ALWAYS JUSTIFIES THE MEANS"...

Environmental Terrorist like Paul Watson, True Terrorist like Bill Ayers. Radical Racists like Van Jones and the Black Panthers. And the most radical... the most DANGEROUS MAN IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW... "George Soros"... along with his $1 Million donation to the "The Tides Foundation" George Soros... this guy is a perfect example of how Public Media, like NPR get twisted into the Far Left agenda... we have seen the firing a a GOOD journalist by NPR, all for the "Political Correctness of it".

Now we know Huffington Post is going to be funded by George Soros and the Tides Foundation and their investigative arm. Yes, a 100% RADICAL Marxist/Socialist who can bring down entire Economies... has what they call a "Captive Audience" on NPR... a Public Funded, Taxpayer money allotted Media outlet... IS NOW UNDER CONTROL OF A MARXIST.... I'm sorry, Anyone else see a bit of a "Conflict of Interest" when a Publicly paid for Broadcast Network has been infiltrated by a clearly radical and far left wing Businessman... had this happened and some Oil Company Tycoon had taken over at NPR and BOUGHT such a high Dollar say-so in their operations... The Progressive/Liberals would be burning Bush in Effigy and locking arms around a Cactus in Texas. NPR's message is that of the Radical Left... yet WE ALL must pay THEIR bills through money WE pay as Tax payers...?

We have top keep the screws to their lies and their...

"Look over here>>> while we do our bidding>>>>>Over there"

manipulation of our economy and personal freedoms. WE must never forget their insane self destructive spending. Not to mention the infringement on our personal freedoms.

My father shot and killed many Hitler Youth SS division soldiers during WW2. Some before they surrendered and some afterward. The kid should never have lived after the shooting stopped. The enemy in this case is not a nation state that can declare war. So Geneva Convention does not apply. Let him loose in Canada and no one knows what may happen. The same can be said for letting him loose in Afghanistan." Found him hanging in his cell" definately would clear up any problems!

Derek-381097

Republicans and Democrats have a solid history of picking the courts they want their enemies to appear in.

How about following the law. This now man was a kid manipulated by others to join a foreign force. Under international law, he is defined as a "boy soldier". Thus he is to be rehabilitated, not punished. Shame on the Canadian and American governments.

Take it from someone who studied international law, there is no such thing as 'international law' other than a series of treaties that are enforced or not according to the whim of nations. You are sort of proving my point, therefore, with your arguement. I disagree with your point, but regardless of it, there will never be a time when the decision of how to deal with prisoners like this will fall to anything but the ruling power who captured him, and whatever political agenda they are currently pursuing.

No need to expound on your study background. I am aware that there are no binding legal effects with regards to conventions, protocols declarations etc. Additionally my statement was not a argument... therefore, I agree with much of what you stated. The point should be made that most of the world were in agreement that "boy soldiers" should not be held accountable for being forced/manipulated into combat. Countries that continue to deflect these "laws" should be held accountable by the rest of the world. Otherwise, what's the point??

This is a tough call. Basically, that is why I said that he should get jail for life. And put in solitary confinement. Some would say shoot him, but I disagree. If anybody can recall the extreme and radical mistakes they made at 15, while the list would include nobody who went to war at 15 (hopefully, it would be sad if there were), I think the list of hormone charged, awful decisions made, would be extensive.

Life imprisonment is justice, imo, because this guy is probably damaged for life. Radicalized at 15, imprisoned for 9 years...what do you think will happen if he is released? I mean, yes, I believe he needs a trial. I actually think he'll get more justice in a civilian trial, and a longer (read life) sentence in one. In the off chance something proves his innocense, like he was framed, et, all. You know, the stuff movies are made out of. Barring some completely left field and unforseen evidence (like aliens made him do it), it is my opinion that in this case, the 'perp' belongs in jail, working, sending money to the family who lost their soldier. Its not a moral judgement about the war, and I believe that a life sentence for this guy is more than fair. Thanks for your comments, however, and I did read and take them to heart.

I am ok with whatever court he is tried in - military or civilian, and I am ok with whatever sentence he is given. Having said that, we just ned to make sure that other criminals are sentenced the same way for the same crimes.

If you look at the circumstances of that battle specifically, and every single charge brought against him from that encounter, this trial is nothing but a drama. So after keeping him for 9 years we came up with:

Khadr, who had previously rejected a plea agreement, stared down at the defense table without making eye contact with the judge. Asked if anyone had made any promises to him so that he would plead guilty, he answered simply "no."

and

Father knew Bin Laden.

Goodness. Based on these assertions, some of the politicians and high-ranking officials from 80s in the country should be charged too. Most of the crooks we are chasing these days were our buddies from the past:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

People aren't looking at the whole picture here. This was not some poor Afghani or Iraqi child that was merely defending his homeland when he threw a grenade at US Armed Forces. This was a Canadian kid, who flew to a war zone, intent on killing Americans. He premeditated the murders of the infidels. Now, in my state, premeditated murder is mandatory death sentence. It means not only did you kill someone, you thought about how you might do it, where, when. This kid is not some poor brainwashed child from a 3rd world nation fighting a military force he may see as an occupying faction. This was a kid from suburban Canada whose father was a financier for Al-Qaeda, and he wanted to be like daddy and help kill Americans.

As to the question of how he came to have no rights, the Geneva Convention clearly states that prisoner of war status must only be afforded to those who wear a uniform and clearly follow a nation's/faction's army. Armed, non-uniformed "militias" as they are dubbed, have been deemed to have no rights, as they cause innocents to get killed due to their trying to blend in with the civilians. The Geneva Convention also allows for battlefield executions of said militia combatants. So, as I stated before, he's lucky he didn't get a 9mm bullet to the back of his head. Only by the grace of the armed forces members who served with the man he had just murdered did this "child" survive long enough to see the inside of a courtroom.

Lastly, it says volumes that Canada was told they could have him back in a year, and they flat out refused.

You tell me - what has he done differently from all those German and Japanese soldiers who fought and killed Allied soldiers in battle during World War II? They were not tried for "crimes" except when they actually committed real war crimes. Simply killing the enemy in combat is not a "crime".

a child soldier who fought in a war and has now spent more than 1/3 of his life in prison

1/3 of his life? How do you figure that? Life expectancy in Canada is 81. 24-15 = 9. He's only spent 1/9th of his life in Prison, a slap on the wrist for killing a soldier if you ask me.

I do agree that he's a prisoner of conscience. A foreign army invaded his country (rightly or wrongly is a different debate), and the kid fought back. In his shoes, I can't say I wouldn't have done the same. Even at 15 though, he knew the risks. Have him spend the rest of his life in jail as a cautionary tale to other potential pimple-faced jihadists. To do otherwise would be equivalent to placing a bounty on the head of every U.S. soldier serving over there and appointing a bunch of pimple-faced teenagers as the bounty-hunters.

Life sentence and that is that. By the way, he should be allowed to do labor while serving and send the wages to the family of the lost soldier. They won't want the money instead of their child, but it will make the prisoner suffer as much as possible in helping those who you know he wishes he could hurt.

Baldman...i think you have misunderstood the comment there.. a 1/3rd of his current life.. not his total life expenctancy... the guy is 23... 8 years behind bars thus far equals a 1/3 of his life...

joseph baratta... by the same tolken, how do we then treat American Soldiers who keep killing thier allies with friendly fire?

take a trip over to Wikileaks and read some of the documents there..

The reports detail 109,032 deaths in Iraq, comprised of 66,081 'civilians'; 23,984 'enemy' (those labeled as insurgents); 15,196 'host nation' (Iraqi government forces) and 3,771 'friendly' (coalition forces).

But I suppose that is just another facet of war right?

Tyrone---I agree with you, in part. Unfortunately, in any war, both sides are just doing what they believe is right. Is it this guy's fault that he grew up in an area that promoted hatred towards the US? As Americans, most of us cannot fathom how a group of people indoctrinate the young and make them fight the way terrorists do. What the young is taught there is similar what religious children learn in church-- Both groups are taught to believe in something that is bigger than they are...and follow the prescribed set of "rules" for the groups. The difference is that most religious groups do not advocate violence, hatred, etc. Until we can somehow change the way of thinking in areas where terrorism flourishes, we won't be able to make a dent in it...wars just widen the problem. Imo, education and a glimpse of a different life is one of the only ways we'll be able to show these people that following terrorism gets them nothing. I think we just can't understand what motivates these people b/c we have grown up in an entirely different environment.

I don't know what alternatives exist, though, for the people who have learned all of the terrorist ideas...how can you change years and years of thinking? And, like this guy, he's been in jail for a lot of his life...will he ever be able to reenter society without being a danger to others? I highly doubt it.

Tyrone -

What has he done differently? Those German and Japanese soldiers wore a uniform, declared war and established themselves as an identifiable army.

Might I remind you that even in that second world war that those enemy combatants who were caught in civilian clothes were subject to execution, in some cases without trial. Did you forget that or are you just purposely ignoring it?

TyroneJ

You tell me - what has he done differently from all those German and Japanese soldiers who fought and killed Allied soldiers in battle during World War II?

Ok, Here is the difference. If you fight wearing a uniform, under the codes of military conduct set forth by the Geneva Convention, you are afforded the protections of a soldier. He, on the other hand, wore no uniform, was not being held to the codes of military conduct, and killed a Coalition Soldier while not bound by the first two requirements. That makes him ineligible for the protections afforded a soldier. In another war (WWI, WWII, Korea) he would have been shot on site as a non-uniformed enemy combatant. The people that captured him could have legally shot him on the spot and never been charged, but they chose not to do that. I guess the Mean and evil soldiers are not as bad as they are portrayed.

Simply killing the enemy in combat is not a "crime".

Ah, but it is if you are in a combat zone, shooting your enemy, and you don't follow the requirements of the Geneva Convention. Then you can just be shot as either a spy or an enemy combatant. Too bad.

He took the "Deal" because his attorney knew that, if found guilty, he could have been hanged or shot as an enemy combatant should the prosecution so requested.

Tuluuwag,

Thanks.

Joseph,

He was born in Canada to Pakistani parents who frequented Afghanistan. His father was an NGO in Afghanistan. If you want to be technical about it, you might as well say he was fighting for his adopted homeland. I don't see how this should change the argument though; he was clearly fighting for the "other side," regardless of where he's originally from. He should be treated as a prisoner of War, his age be damned.

jomama88

You invaded a country and the locals fought back. What do you expect.

The last time I checked, Canada is about a half a world away from Afghanistan. Maybe your Atlas is different than mine.

He left Canada for Jihad in Afghanistan just like John Walker Lind did. If you choose that course, you get what you pay for. He took the deal because he knew that a "Rope" awaited him is he were convicted as an enemy combatant and it could be done legally per the Geneva Convention.

Tyrone---you might want to compare him to all of the civilians in Vietnam who attacked our soldiers. It's the same thing...and, in truth, if someone invaded my town, I'd be right there ready to take them down and I wouldn't care what they were wearing on their backs!

He wasn't some poor little kid defending his Country against the bad guys. He was a terrorist who, on direction from al Quida or the Taliban or whatever terrorist organization you want, killed a soldier; he deserves life in prison. If al Quida hadn't committed the atrocities of 911 the US wouldn't have been in his Country in the first place.

TyroneJ asked, "You tell me - what has he done differently from all those German and Japanese soldiers who fought and killed Allied soldiers in battle during World War II?"

Defence forces killing those who are attempting to kill you is self defence, not murder.

Murdering innocents who would not harm you is what is really wrong and that is what terrorist jihadists do.

That's a big difference!

You invaded a country and the locals fought back. What do you expect.

They flew planes into civilian buildings, killing in an instant almost half the total # of soldiers that have died in 10 whole yrs. What did they expect?

Besides, he was Canadian. Unless we invaded Canada recently, he's not a "local".

This is the Obama Administrations way of handling them. Don't blame me, I didn't vote for him. Even if I did, I would have been ranting about him not closing Gitmo already. The story itself says his actions to close it have been blocked by Congress. That'd be Democrats blocking it - fyi.

He wasn't some poor little kid defending his Country against the bad guys.

Canadian.

He was a citizen of CANADA - Not Afganistan! He went to a foriegn land to kill American soldiers! He was not part of the Afganistan military.

Why is this such a hard concept to get?

The plea deal, if this is truly what it is, is an injustice to all US Soldiers and citizens!

I hate muslims!

He left Canadfafor Jihad in Afghanistan just like Johnny Walker Lind did. If you choose that course ...

Oh my god people.....

How stupid are you? You think he was defending Canada, his "homeland". F**k you people are stupid. Ya, now lets think Canada is againt the Sataes you ignorant, uneducated useless minds. Also F U MSNBC. Nice outline with a large "Canadian" posted on the front page. This guy was the furthest thing from an actual Canadian Citizen. Everything to half you Americans is about finding soemthing to hate. Some other reason for you to blame your own problems on. Recognize who your friends are you morons before you open your ignorant mouths.

Chris, I was going to say he didn't choose. He was taken to Afghanistan by his father, when he was only 13. Not that I'm defending this guy.

Baldman. . . . . I dont know what school you went to but either your math or your comprehension skills are truly horrible. To find what percentage of his life a man has spent in prison you look at his age not his life expectancy. Before anyone comments I would not care to defend someone who murders one of our soldiers. However I cant stand irrational people who try to sound rational using false facts.

Set the kid free - give him an Arsenic laced lolli PoP and set him free... hell give him a couple more to share with his friends. If we can make small enough IED - put'm in the handle.

Um................ Having a bad day are you?

joseph baratta Based on the definition that you and others use while posting about this guy, George Washington was then a murderer too, he was a British subject that rebeled and started killing His Majesty soldiers; he was labeled that by the British because they had the power of the media at the time.

Now, you need to be an idiot if you can't understand, that even if this kid was Al-Qaeda and he was fighting for the bad guys, he was facing our soldiers in the battle field, like a man. Soldiers in the battle field expect to be shot, bombed, get wounded or killed by enemy fire.

Murder is very different, if he would have attacked American civilians or even tossed a granade into a military hospital, then it would be murder.

Like the fanatic Japanese, German or Viet Cong enemies, he believed in whatever brainwashing crap they told him, but he fought a fair fight against us, he killed, he got wounded and apprehended, but he is not a murderer.

"we invaded his country"....that's wrong. We did not invade Canada (at least not since 1812). The boy, turned terrorist, is the son of a known Al Quaida financier who was trained at a young age to train to kill. At 15 he knows what right and wrong is. He chose to learn how to make the road bombs; he chose to place those bombs along the road (and be videoed doing it). He chose to fight when the American soldiers came to stop him. If he is a man in the Islamic terrorist world, should he not be considered a man in our world?

These Islamic terrorists are not fighting for a country thus they are not the equivalent of the Japanese and German soldiers. He is not a prisoner of war; he is a war criminal and should be tried as such. GTMO is the place for such trials.

Clarification - the detainees at GTMO wear the orange jumpsuits while in the camps but upon coming to a hearing they are allowed to wear other clothing. At the hearings I attended the detainees all were dressed in the white traditional clothing one often sees Muslim men in.

Hello everyone, don't forget he KILLED an ARMY MEDIC....

This isn't a poor soul who went astray...he had been living and educated in Pakistan. His family, while having Canadian ties, did not reside in Canada and was far from poor immigrants. Khadr is an educated wealthy person who chose to join a terrorist organization. He has shown no regrets for his actions. Khadr does not deserve sympathy; he deserves prison...a military prison.

Tyrone - the difference in this matter is that Germans/Japanese were in uniform and this kid was not. According to the Geneva Convention, any individual who attacks soldiers not in uniform do not have the same protections granted to a soldier in uniform.

Legally, this kid is lucky to still be alive since our soldiers had every right to kill him on the spot after what he did.

He killed several people and deserved the death penalty. He was not a child soldier he was 15 at 15 we learn to drive. obviously he isnt a "child ". Unless you think a child has the ability to kill several people. Plus he's been in prison for 1/3 of his life if he wasnt crazy going in he probably is now

ok for all of you who say he was just defending his country (wrong but beside the point) and that he was just acting like a soldier on the battlefield, OK. Then using that line of thought, since we are still at war with Al-Quida then he would be a POW and he should be held in a POW camp until the war is over. this is what happens in all wars. So once the war is over then we can discuss his release. After all, we held all of the German and Japanese POW's until the war was over. So since I doubt we will ever end this war seems like he will be there until he dies, ie life sentence.

romilio

Based on the definition that you and others use while posting about this guy, George Washington was then a murderer too.

First I never said that the kid was a murderer; I said he was a non-uniformed unlawful /enemy combatant. George Washington was a Uniformed Enemy Combatant but that would have made no difference in the 1770's and 1780's as there was no Geneva Convention. This is why Benjamin Franklin said, after the signing of the Declaration of Independence,

Gentlemen, we must now all hang together else His Majesty the King will hang us individually.

If you fight in a war against another army, wear no uniform, do not abide by the general rules of Military Conduct, and are not accountable to an existing government, you are not eligible for the protections afford a prisoner of war. During WWII, French, Dutch, Yugoslavian, and Polish Resistance fighters as well as German and Japanese agents were shot for just that reason. If you play that game, you can expect no better.

Kevin,

Thanks for your redundant correction. You were probably too much in a haste to "hand it to me," that you skipped over tuluuwag's post, and the post of mine that followed his, thanking him for pointing out my comprehension foible..

I don't see the point in shooting the wounded after I've already declared cease fire on that front, but I'm sure you did so to your delight.

In our society (US), he's a minor under Rule of Law. End of story. Or do you want to pick and choose which Laws to enforce when you feel like it and depending on whether you like/dislike someone or something, like the Taliban does with Sharia?

Therefore in your opinion, all of the children war mongers in African countries, should never be punished for their war crimes because they are minors in our culture. They are much younger than 15 and killing men, women and children as well. Somewhere along the line, you have to draw the line when it comes killing in war. Soldiers kill soldiers the rest are either murdered by civilians or civilians murdered by soldiers, which is a crime as well. This 15 year old was a civilian that committed murder and should be tried anc convicted as an adult, not as a soldier doing his duty in war. The fact that he was a terrorist operative is why he has been in a military prison.

What confounds me is this widespread practice in our justice system of plea-bargaining...

I have seen so many cases where the evidence, including, many times, confessions, is solid, but a plea deal is struck for no apparent reason.

If the prosecution honestly believes it stands a chance of losing a case against what is obviously a guilty defendant, then I can understand. Or, if the prosecution is after a bigger fish and wants the testimony of the perp, OK...

Here we have a rock-solid case and the perp gets a plea deal...

I just don't get it...

It is making a mockery of our laws to allow so much of this...

he was an enemy solider. there's no crime for that.

using your logic all us soldiers are guilty of war crimes against the invaded state and should be executed.

should we have executed all japanese and german prisoners?

he was an enemy solider.

We're not at war with Canada. What business did he have throwing a grenade at an US soldier. None. That's why it's terrorism.

jomama...In WWII the German and Japanese soldiers wore uniforms, and anyone caught out of uniform was considered a spy and shot...That applied to everyone, both sides...The risk was accepted and some paid the ultimate price for being among the enemy out of uniform...

Your efforts to make this terrorist into a normal soldier of a normal army doesn't fly...If you will notice, no one else here is defending him as a normal, uniformed soldier...

You will never get these liberal bleading hearts to understand logic or any other rational explaination, they have no real logical thought process

Tyrone kind of like our immigration law pick and choose

Even in the American courts a 15 year old who willing takes another's life can be tried as an adult. The major problem I see here is the ACLU's illegal attempts to force their beliefs on a military tribunal. If it weren't for their interference the young "man" would have been tried by now. He was taught to use his youthful, civilian appearance to deceive the American soldiers so he could kill them. This is not considered warfare in any country.

What are they supposed to do? Put "Afghan-Canadian"? He's still Canadian.

He's Pakistani- Canadian we do it here Mexican American African American

He is a Canadian citizen of Pakistani descent. Therefore, a Canadian.

you think we don't have any sex criminals here already?

So, you think he just wandered into the firefight on his way to the mosque and got ambushed for no reason...?

Who cares how they got him to admit it? Like Charles implies, he wasn't exactly an innocent bystander they decided to use as a scapegoat! Let me ask you this, if you had a family member killed by Al Qaeda and you got your hands on one of those responsible, what would you do? Set them up in a cozy little room and give him everything he wants until he decided to talk???

Yeah, that dead soldiers life needs a price put on it. Let's determine the monetary value of him because money fixes everything. It'll be fine when the family gets their big payday!

Absolutely...see my post (4.3)

US soliders kill human beings on a daily basis.

By your logic they deserve the death penalty.

US soldiers wear a uniform and act under the auspices of the Geneva Convention, this "kid"(?) did neither, he CHOSE to go to Afganistan to kill coalition forces.Lock him up for life and throw the key!As another poster pointed at 15 he knew the difference between right and wrong and was fully capable of weighing the risks of his choice.

Jomama88 - US soldiers are supposed to kill on a daily basis when they are at war. That's different than being an non-uniform terrorist combatant killing a US soldier. If you can't see that, there's no hope for you.

Ed, Ed, Ed,........We've tried to help you....we really have...get help...

Even General Ricardo Sanchez admits they comitted torture.

But he was a mere commander of V Corps' 1st Armored Division so what does he know, eh?

What does it really matter? I don't care it they tortured every single one of them, one reaps what one sows! Ed - folks like you had better count blessings that I'm not calling the shots becuase the headline would be : Young Al Q executed today at Gitmo!

Have a nice day ! :)

Agreed. If you don't play the game and sit low in your house, you won't be doing any killing. Instead he chose to go out and play by killing who he labeled as his enemy. He didn't welcome US Soldiers to liberate him from an oppressive regime, he saw them as the enemy.

I don't think he was even born in Canada.

He was Canadian in paperwork only.

Good post! The news definitely needs to make the distinction. He's not Canadian and his family aren't citizens in the true sense. I don't know which person in his family was born there, but it is an insult to all Canadians to link this family to Canada.

jomama88, he was born in Canada.

Am I hearing this? If he was not born in Canada, but has legal citizenship - He is not a true Canadian citizen.

Talk about double speak.....

Well then he is a "true" Canadian citizen. Why is he not being charges for treason by Canada's government?

Love your attitude. Hey, we have some of these home grown nuts and I think we should have an open hunting season on them, but I am constantly accused of being a RED NECK. You know, I am starting to like that title.

"Hey, it me and Billy Bob and today we are in the mountians of Kabul on the hunt for Taliban. Shhh! There is one right there, bam, you got em Billy Bob, man look at the beard one that one!" That's a trophy! Got to have a 20 inch beard! Let's get him weighed and measured and see what kind of score this one gets us.

Yeah, I'm rednecked too, so I'm told. I would be one of the first in line if they would sell the license! This crap keeps gettin worse we may just see some of this here in America. The government don't seem to worried about securing the border even though they know muslim thug terrorist are coming acroos in the south. It will come here again, it's just a matter of time.

Locked and loaded redneck in Texas!

Yall have a nice day now ya hear!

"YOUR" country? Kadr IS a CANADIAN. It is HIS country too.

As a Canadian he and his family are ENTITLED under the law of the land for welfare. So, please if you have something to say, be constructive otherwise, please be quite. It is better for your won sake.

He is Not a Canadian in my book, just terrorist garbage.

Ting Tong should go play with dind dong if they call this murderer a real Canadian! If one buys into this muslim murdering crap then they are no longer allowed to call themselves Canadian, American or whatever. When you back the murdering islamic thugs all of your so called "rights" fly right out the window! Or they exploded with the last suicide bomber/murderer!

Get a grip man! Who's side on you on anyway? I think I know so you don't have to answer.

Ting Tong, BEING Canadian is NOT just about meeting the legal definition on paper...if you are going to describe yourself as Canadian, you should live life with values that are consistent with what Canada stands for. Clearly, Omar Khadr does not hold values that are consistent with Canada's. We're not just talking what it takes to get a passport here. Give your head a shake.

FALSE. LIES.

There are a handful of Islamists bent on conquering the world.

There are millions of Americans who would be happy to see the US conquor the world.

IF you made the distinction between terrorists and Muslims, your post would be worth reading. You can't stereotype a whole groups of people like you just did...that simply promotes more hatred and violence. Do we blame the Catholics for WWII b/c Hitler's family was Catholic?

Hitler didn't kill in the name of Catholicism, these scumbags did it in the name of Allah that's your distinction.

ssm....your kid did not lead a life that can be in any way compared to the life of this "man-child",

who has been indoctrinated to kill since he could walk, and who will blindly follow any order given him by his masters...

Go back to your breastfeeding, OK?

SSM made a valid point Charles and you really didn't make a point at all. It may have been a mothers view of things but anyone willing to speak up and share their opinion deserves more respect than that. You are rude and condescending.

Go back to your mindless dribble OK ?

SSM, I understand completely. You have embraced your job of motherhood and worked to bring your child(ren) up well. You taught him to be safe and careful and not to be dangerous towards others. You've taught him responsibility in his life and his community. Thank you. If we all could do so well.

For those who are naysayers, which would you prefer? Someone indoctrinated into mayhem and murder from early childhood and on, or someone taught responsibilty and integrity? Both exist. Both are in opposition to one another, but who would any of you prefer lived next door? The bomb-throwing maniac or neighborhood paperboy?

Yes, this terrorist was taught from early childhood to hate. He is unsalvageable. It would be a waste of time to try to reform him. His parents are/were failures, as (from what I have read) are the rest of his family. Legally, they may be Canadians, but in their hearts and minds they are murderous terrorists. From that point is where the law and justice need to intercede. The world, as a whole, needs to understand that these dogs of war will always run in a rabid pack, and there is no cure for the "diseases" of hate and hunger for power that they carry.

So, yes, SSM, thank you for being someone who cares enough about your child to put his feet on the right path. I know it's not easy. You can only do so much, and we can't change how things are done once they are of age, but we can work to get them going in the right direction.

From my dictionary: Right: in accordance with what is (morally) good, proper or just; in conformity with fact, reason, or some standard or principle; correct, correct in judgment, opinion or action; sound, normal, sane; in good order.

Wrong: not in accordance with what is morally right or good; deviating from truth or fact; not correct in action, judgment or method; not proper or usual; not in accordance with requirements or recommended practice; out of order; awry; amiss.

A good parent teaches these principles, and how to tell the difference between them.

IN the eyes of ISLAM age of consent and adulthood is 13- after all they can sell and rape little girls at 9 or 11 like Mohammed did-- and call it marriage-

off with his head

preferably on TV like they did to Daniel Pearl-

He's a dual citizen - really only an Afghan on paper.

Tompom, the penalty for treason in most countries is the death penalty, let alone tossing in murder. Where does 15 years seem appropriate? Our prisons are full of felons, mostly drug convictions of selling pounds of pot, that are doing more than 15 years. Do their crimes equate to that of treason and murder?

he did NOT have dual citizenship ok

He's just a Canadian on paper.

Also - more Canadian soldiers have been killed by friendly fire (US soldiers) than by enemy fire.

So should we execute those American soldiers?

jomana88 -

Because the are rules in warfare. Legal laws and everything. Not one of those soldiers in that fight broke the rules of engagement.

Gert over it already.

You are the reason America is doing down the tubes.

jomama88 - please put down the bong.

Jomamma - you are a minority in more ways then one on here. I would bet money you voted for Omama and probably think he is doing a stellar job.

If one takes up arms or calls for others to take up arms against us then that person IS an enemy. He is lucky to even be alive in my opinion. Should have been left dead on the battlefield!

Whose feeling sorry for him not me. They should have put a bullet behind his left ear when they caught him and all of this would be over. We'd have our justice and he would have his virgins, a win win situation for all of us.

hell yah!

He's a prisoner of war if Canada sanctioned his involvement. And if Canada sanctioned his his involvement then that is an act of war by Canada. If not, then he's just an enemy combatant fighting for a belief that the United States way of life should be destroyed. Therefor the Geneva convention is off the table.

He was never a soldier Gman!

I still want to know when we invaded Canada. Gman seams to think he was fighting for his country and the article says Canadian citizen so when did we invade Canada? And when did Canada start drafting 15yr old kids to fight in their military?

Gman what Army did he fight for? The conflict is still going on so why would we release him, I know your not as stupid as you sound