And this is a perfect example of why we need to allow our felons to carry firearms....

And this is a perfect example of why we need to stop the raising of pit bulls....

And this is a perfect example of why we need to stop the spread of white trash....

Boobies, that is all.

For a dog???

Can we safely assume by your post that you care far less about the welfare of a fellow human than you do about an animal?

I agree that he should not have taken a chainsaw to the dog, but then again, maybe you don't live in the same area I do. Animals are animals, and even though they should respected and treated humanely, they are still animals. If my dog bites someone, you can be sure I will see to it that she is "put down".

We can argue over how to humanely kill a dog, but that is really the lesser issue here. For example, would you be so disgusted if he gave his dog a toxic amount of sleeping pills? Or what about a single gunshot to the head? (yes, I know he had restrictions). Does it really matter, so long as the dog was killed quickly and relatively painlessly? (Yeah, I know he used a chainsaw.....but he tried to cut off its head with a knife previously, and it is likely it had already bled out and was gone anyways.)

Or is the real question here whether or not someone has the right to kill their own animal that has just been hostile any damn way they want?

I live in Maine. Up here, putting down animals is a fact of life. (Think roadkill, if that makes you feel better) Yup, sometimes it needs to be done, and there is no way in Hell that I'm going to pay some vet a ridiculous sum of money to do what I can do in 30 secs, for free.

Either way, 8 years for killing a vicious dog is reprehensible and a travesty of justice. To put the life of a dog before the life of a human speaks volumes about our society, and the worth we afford humans in general.

Name calling....what, are you 5 years old? shows your wisdom....NOT! then you end it with boobies which is a whole different subject...get a life Name caller

Indy Patriot-1934313 - Wow. You're seriously defending a man that was so ignorant and a member of a family so riddled with ignorance that when they felt like the dog was a danger to their family, they didn't do what any sane half-witted human would do...call the police, the SPCA, their local animal control to come take the dog away and have it humanely put down.

Yep...you're defending the man who was so dumb, that in court his defense to "Why did you kill the dog with a chainsaw?" was to say that "Well, I tried a knife first cuz you won't allow me to own a gun because I'm a prior convicted felon."

Wow Indy Patriot-1934313! Wow!

u'r an f ing idiot. Move to Iran. Barbarism is encouraged there. Even had the dog been dead mutilating it with a chainsaw is just plain SICK. This guy offends the sensibility of anyone with a conscience. Let him think about it for the next 8 yrs.

YOU are the perfect example of what is wrong with society...not the other way around. You should NEVER be allowed to own an animal, they are not "just dogs," they are innocents, loving and loyal and trusting. Maybe this pitbull wasn't raised right, but seeing as how it lived to be 9 years old in this horrible household, I'm guessing biting humans isn't something the dog ever did before. Maybe the little girl was a brat, maybe she was abusing the dog, hell I'd bite her too, and where is the loyalty to an animal that you have had its whole life who may be sick or in pain and just made a mistake??? If it is a pattern that repeats itself that is a different story, but once should be forgiven. And even then, "humanely" is not a knife, a club, or a damn chainsaw. And yes, before you ask, I do value the lives of my 3 dogs more than most humans I have met who were never worth knowing in the first place.

You disgust me, he ABSOLUTELY should have gotten 8 years in prison if not more, I personally am disappointed he didn't get more. I would like to see the same thing carried out on him that he inflicted on the dog. And lest we forget...a human capable of such cruelty to animals isn't a far cry from doing that to humans.

God help you, for he is the only one that can. You and this creep are two peas in a pod.

Travi E and Indie patriot. Were you in the same prison together? If he's that heartless he's a no good human being. He's already been in prison...it shows he's a loser in life...let him rot.

Just maybe StMiller this guy is a little mentally challenged. Would you call his actions sane? Maybe seeing the animal bite the little kid brought on a form of PTSD and his actions are not his fault. But I am pretty sure that since his bank account is probably 3 figures he doesn't get afforded the same quality defense as an upper class guy would. But no, you people keep saying that humans are next on the plate for this guy. Do you know how many animals die daily by having their heads cut-off? Maybe think about that the next time all you hypocrites shove a burger down your better-than-thou throats. And vegetarians, do you know how many animals die each year from ingesting the pesticides that keep your vegetables alive and well?

What an idiot. This man need to be put away for a long time, before he naturally progresses to human cruelty. What a scumbag POS.

Hmmm..., I wonder why the prison system is clogged? He is one sick puppy..., but 8 years in prison? Try a mental institution...

Let's not forget, this dog bit a child! If that dog would've bit my child, I would have done the same thing. There is no need to have my tax dollars wasted having animal services come out, try to rehabilitate the animal, shelter the dog while trying to find a new owner, etc.......

It's a dog, and it bit a human child! End of story for this dog....Good job buddy!

you shouldn't have owned a dog if you couldn't afford the vet.

Equally as disturbing as his cruelty and stupidity is that he likely has or will breed. If a felon, at least he won't be voting. Given how filled to the gills this country is with trashy 1/2 wits, he'll probably get a reality show on TLC while in prison.

Good point markl323. You heard him America. If the recession has hit you hard then you need to turn your dog into the humane society so that they can put it down. This going to be great for morale. Lets get their kids next.

John F Kennedy once said "those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable" Which means when someone is actually trying to justify this mans actions, such as Indy, is making the revolution of treating animals fairly, impossible, and will make people choose violence against him for snubbing his nose all the time to people like us who care about the innocent creatures.

So to all of you who think that this isnt a big deal.....your karma is coming.

It has been proven time and time again. If a man abuses an animal, he normally will abuse humans.

This is my motto to live by: "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mahatma Gandhi

That's for sure littlechanges. The first thing thought that crossed my mind when I read about the chain saw taking the dogs head off was, "I'm glad this guy can't vote". Could you imagine the idiots that we would have in office if this guy could vote.......

We already have idiots running the country is it because you voted?

They are already in office.

you shouldn't have owned a dog if you couldn't afford the vet.

Nor should you own a dog if you can't shoot it.

To me there is no excuse for what this man did. For those that say once the dog bites a human they need to be killed. That is certainly not the case in most circumstances. As someone pointed out the dog was 9 years old. The girl could have startled a sleeping dog. Who knows. I snuck up to my sleeping dog and grabbed her from behind. I was low on the ground close to the back of her head. I was playing. She bite me in the face before realizing what she did. She simply did not mean to bite ME. What a sick move to cut the poor 9 YEAR OLD DOG'S HEAD OFF!I have been around dogs all of my life. They are all members of my family, friends and co-workers. This man must have had a rather serious rap sheet, but I think the time fits the crime.

It is really amazing that people completly glaze over the hard fact that maybe one of the reasons the dog bit a kid was due to Owners negligence. Pitbulls get a bad wrap as bad dogs prone to violence. That is a load of crap. More people are bitten by little @!$%# dogs and poodles but the big difference is pit bulls have big jaws and muscles so when they bite they can do big damage.

Anyone defending this guy needs to talk to a shrink beacause they have serious problems, putting a dog down for one bite is plain wrong, it is an animal and if the kid was abusing it by pulling on its tail ect it will use the only means it has to say stop.

Dogs get annoyed just like people but humans should have the intelligence to realize this, if the dog is biting continually then you have a problem.

But of course killing the dog is the easy answer because we are a society of toss what you dont want. It just goes to show how worthless some people are

I own a dog, it is a Beagle, My dog has a heart of gold, it loves everyone. Its innocence is so heartwarming and its endless amount of love it has that is freely shows to all is beautiful.
I value my dogs life more then my own, I would take a bullet to save my dogs life.
I can only hope every person on this planet could experience the same bond with a animal that I have with my dog. The world would be a better place. By the way I adopted my dog from a no kill shelter

I hope this man enjoys his 8 years for the cruelty he showed to this animal. Anyone that defends him as doing the right thing is the poster child for the scum of humanity.

Cruelty to animals is the first step to cruelty to humans. Most mass murders start out on animals after all its easy to cause misery and suffering on animals because they cant fight back like a human.

Some of you are missing the point. Extreme cruelty to animals is a sign of a very sick mind and often these people go on to be dangerous to humans - serial killers, etc. It is a very bad sign and needs to be reacted to immediately. He's where he belongs. I have no problem putting the dog down if he attacked a child but there are humane ways to do it. To cut it's throat or decapitate it is a sign of a very sick mind.

Clearly this guys a junkie/psycho based on this story and his past convictions. this is not the behavior of a normal individual and if he could bring himself to take the life of his pet of 8 years by mutilating/decapitating it... I'm going to go ahead and say he most likely isnt a mentally healthy and functional person that should be allowed in society.

Wow, reading through these responses/comments truly scares me w/r to the future of our society. There are a lot bigger problems in our world than a guy who can't figure out how to humanely (and discreetly) put down an animal.

But if you're really going to concentrate all this energy defending animals, why get so worked up about this? There are much better things. This was the case of one idiot and one dog who probably died relatively quickly and painlessly. What about the people who are just plain evil and starve/neglect their animals? They're all over, and barely make the local papers when caught. They never get 8 years in prison. If anything is done outside of confiscating their animals, it's often only a fine. I'd personally take a quick death by chainsaw decapitation than starving and freezing to death over the course of weeks, months, or years. In the big picture this is a small deal, it just makes good headlines.

If you really feel like animals are better than humans, start doing something about it through local outreach and educational programs (the fact that they exist means there are some of you doing good) instead of just pampering your own four-legged children while criticizing those who don't live up to your standards.

I have to agree with Pirate and Sandra. Was this dog a constant bitter or was this the first time? did this girl startle the dog or something? He was an older dog and most startle easy and if they are not used to kids will react. I had a border collie. He was not used to kids and he would react if picked on or grabbed. He wouldn't bite but he would growl. If this was the first time he bit someone, I say isolate the dog if people are over. If he constantly wants to bite someone then maybe he should be put down. Also, I don't agree to killing a dog by cutting its head off with a chain saw. he wouldn't die instantly. It would of been a painful death. how can anyone say good job like Ryan did. Maybe the girl was a brat and wouldn't leave the dog alone. Yes, it is bad that she got bit but was she maimed? Was it worth killing the dog for?

He should have hired Micheal Vicks lawyer. If your rich you can electrocute and drown 30 dogs and get a slap on the wrist.

Let's not forget that this is a DOG! That bit a CHILD! While I agree that the method he chose to put it down was reprehensible, he was trying to do the right thing with what he knew. It's not as if he got fed up with the neighbors' dog barking--Lord knows I am--and whacked it's head off. Granted, he should have waited until everyone--especially the children--had gone home. It sounds as if he probably would have gotten 18 months and probably had that suspended even if he hadn't already been a convicted felon. The article said the 8 years was a mandatory sentence.

And, Pirate C, while I love my animals too, I wouldn't take a bullet for them. I have 4 kids that need me far more. I think your family would probably say the same thing, too.

I am a life long dog owner, and like others here, probably would lay down in traffic for my dog. That being said, where are people here coming up with the idea that he did this for some kind of "sick satisfaction" or curiosity. People who torture animals for the thrill are sick, and often indicitive of other psychological problems. This guy killed his dog for biting a child. I don't agree with his method, but people on this vine are arguing from a purely emotional stance, and making assumptions they have no way of knowing whether or not they are true.

I live in Chicago. In other parts of the country, people see their animals very differently. I have a house in Colorado. When we go into the different cowboy towns and rural areas, animals are animals. I bet many people who don't know what "newsvine" is wouldn't bat an eye at this. That doesn't necessarily make them bad people. At the end of the day, we have very little information to go on other than the fact that we are outraged by the manner in which he put down the dog.

ChiCity - Put the chain of events together...

Chain of events... his dog bit his kid...he's really angry...everyone understands that...he decides the dog must die...many people understand this too...he tries to kill it with a knife...a smaller number of people understand this part...then he does away with the knife...rummages through the garage to find something better...goes out to the now bleeding possibly dead dog...and saws it's head off with the chainsaw. I think it's after the knife attempt that most people (i.e. the sane ones) begin to distance themselves from psycho.

It takes a special kind of sicko to maintain a level of anger and violence that extends to killing, then maiming. That's why they ask that question of lots of entrances evaluations..."Do you hurt small animals?" Answer "Yes" and you might have a problem.

Teddy Sexton, 32, of Aztec, had pleaded guilty to extreme cruelty to animals, which carries a sentence of up to 18 months in prison. Defense attorney Cosme Ripol told the Farmington Daily Times that because Sexton has a prior criminal history, he faced up to 15 years, including eight mandatory.

At a sentencing hearing Monday, Sexton told state District Judge Thomas Hynes he tried to slice the dog's throat on Sept. 18 and "that didn't work."

"I did the one thing I shouldn't have and severed the head with a chain saw," Sexton said.

The District Attorney's Office received more than 600 e-mails from animal activists worldwide, asking prosecutors to pursue the maximum penalty.

San Juan County Sheriff's deputies arrested Sexton and Corey Bowen, 31, on Sept. 23. Investigators determined the incident occurred after a pit bull named Thor bit a 9-year-old girl during a barbecue at Sexton's home.

Sexton told Hynes he used the knife and chain saw because he "is not allowed the right to own a gun." His previous criminal history includes possession of methamphetamine, distribution of marijuana and false imprisonment.

Bowen also faces a charge of extreme cruelty to animals. His attorney, Eric Morrow, said evidence will show Bowen is innocent.

According to court records, deputies who responded cleared the call after they learned a child had been bitten, the victim's mother was refusing to report the bite and the owners had put the dog down.

Four days later, a state Children, Youth and Families Department worker tipped investigators after learning of young children who were having nightmares from the incident. However, Sexton's relatives denied children saw what happened.

"Teddy came into the house to get the knife and told the adults what was going on," Bowen's wife, Georgette, said in a statement to deputies. "She stated since they knew they were going to kill the dog, they kept all the children in the house and away from the door."

Deputies exhumed the dog's body from a grave on the property but were unable to determine if it had rabies because it was too decomposed, Sheriff's Capt. Tim Black said last month.

there you have it, the facts. sounds like a redneck cluster f#$* to me. The dog needed to die, the guy made a bad choice to do it, now he will be in jail for 8 yrs, 18 month would have been too long

To:

Ryan-1722778
Nebraska Mom
Indy Patriot-1934313
unionmule1

... and all the other morons who just don't get it,

I don't care how cheap you are. You don't take these matters into your own hands. The dog isn't your possession to the point where YOU are it's judge, jury and executioner. If you don't like that fact then write to your senator. If ownership of a pet was that willy-nilly then no one would be required to get a license for the animal. They all have to be accounted for!

The police should have been called that very night, the child examined and vaccinated for rabies. If the dog was a repeat offender or found to be too dangerous then that is when the decision is made to destroy it.

If you can't pay for a vet you call animal control. And don't give me your crap about tax dollars! The most idiotic statement I've seen on this thread is that you don't want tax dollars to pay for duties and organizations that were set up using tax dollars. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE FOR!!!! Hey next we should build a prison with my taxes, fill it with guards and then decide not to populate it because of the tax dollars it might cost. Dumba$$es!!!!

Lolly1192 . don't know where you are but it seems you don't understand that not all areas have requirements for licenses for pets, not all areas have animal control, and in some areas you can wait hours if not days for response from law enforcement on a incident that is already past.

Nice little area you live in but not everyone chooses your kind of life.

Sexton told Hynes he used the knife and chain saw because he "is not allowed the right to own a gun."

Now how logical is that...? Sick SOB, cut his balls off so he can't breed...

LOL Rixart13 ... I'm with you :-)

To put the life of a dog before the life of a human speaks volumes about our society, and the worth we afford humans in general.

There is no such thing as objective value to life. Subjectively, we assign whatever value to life we wish. I value both lives equally. If I didn't, then I wouldn't have decided to go to veterinary medical school instead of human medical school when I was accepted into both, because I would find it my moral obligation to treat humans instead of animals. Whenever someone spouts nonsense like this, I consider it to be a direct insult to my profession. I can't interpret it any other way.

Or is the real question here whether or not someone has the right to kill their own animal that has just been hostile any damn way they want?

Yes, that is exactly what this is about actually. He doesn't have the right to kill his dog any way he wants and neither do you. Since this apparently happened in New Mexico, here is an excerpt from the New Mexico Animal Cruelty law:

Section 1.
Section 30-18-1 NMSA 1978 (being Laws 1963, Chapter 303, Section 18-1) is repealed and a new Section 30-18-1 NMSDA 1978 is enacted to read:

"30-18-1. CRUELTY TO ANIMALS -- EXTREME CRUELTY TO ANIMALS -- PENALTIES -- EXCEPTIONS. --

A. As used in this section, "animal" does not include insects or reptiles.

B. Cruelty to animals consists of a person:

(1) negligently mistreating, injuring, killing without lawful justification or tormenting an animal; or
(2) abandoning or failing to provide necessary sustenance to an animal under that person's custody or control.

Which carries a sentence of up to 18 months in prison. He got 8 years because he tortured the animal to death and he was a repeat offender. Honestly, do people even read the story before commenting on it?

Thank you ERIC! Someone with complete sense.

And why Michael Vick isn't still in jail I will never understand.

i hate to disagree with a lot of you but here is the deal...

i love my dog to death, but if she ever got to the point she was biteing people, especially children, i'd put her down myself if i had to. thats life. if i or in this case HE hadnt done it, it would have been done anyway.

i dont recomend a chainsaw.... having been using one for a month or so now, i am guessing the kids didnt have to see him kill the dog, or lop its head off, just the sight of him would have been enough i am sure.

abd for those of you ready to go ka-bonkers... i would make it as painless as possible for the old gal. i dont have the $$ to take her to a vet, and i pray god takes her in her sleep like a good pup. but you do what ya gotta do, that is the way, law or not. You just try to do whats right.

Megalodon-358694: I must disagree with you. If you can't afford to take your animal to a vet to be put down, then you should not own a pet. Because if you can't afford a vet to be humane, then you can't afford a vet for all of the things the animal needs for a long, happy life. I am always amazed at people who don't do what is right for their animals. A pet will cost money. If you can't afford the animals proper upkeep, DO NOT HAVE ONE.

lol, Peach, might want to go back to your hole for a while more. When i got my pet, Mira, weighed only 45 lbs, maybe less, was missing most of her fur, had bad fly strike on her ears, didnt know what a treat, or a toy was,(still doesnt play with toys), and hid her food. When i went to meet her, she sat next to me for the 3 hrs i was there, and never moved. She started to cry when i was leaving and has been by my side ever since, like a shadow.

Now she is about 60-62 lbs, all her hair back, and gets a free bone from the local butcher shop when i go to visit.

oh, did i forget to mention when i got her i had a full time job at that time. yes, dingy, i had one of those up till i got laid off, lol. Could afford 3 dogs then if i wanted to, but only need the one i have now. She was 11 when i got her, so maked her 15, going on 16. Chow, Husky,Wolf mix, loves kids, and chaseing rabbits :)

dont forget Peachy, and tools like her, lots of people had jobs when they got their pets!

seems some people dont think to ask, much less think before spewing off at the gum-hole!

Peach, that is a very elitist thing to say. Not all people can afford to run their animal to the vet every time something goes wrong. They should still be allowed to own pets.

I recently had to put down my dog. I can say it was the hardest thing I have ever had to do. He was only 4.5 years old. At 3, he was diagnosed with epilepsy, and had many seizures. Thankfully, I was able to provide him care with a "doggy neurologist". At 4, he suffered an FCE, a stroke where a small blockage occurs in one of the arteries that provides blood to the spine. He began dragging his back leg. His foot then became infected, from dragging, and almost needed to be amputated. I rehabbed him with water therapy, and acupuncture. Then one afternoon, he suffered bloat, the stomach flipping and wrapping around his intestines. When we made it to the vet, there was nothing that could be done.

Needless to say, I did everything I could for my dog. The last year and a half I spent $15,000 in vet bills. I wonder how many here who say that you shouldn't have a pet unless you can afford vet bills would have been able to afford that? I am lucky, I can. However, I am not demonizing people who can't afford that level of care. I believe it is most important to provide your dog with the best life for him/her that you can. That is not measured by your ability to afford veterinary care, but the quality of life you provide them and love you give. There are some really self righteous people here who I would love to talk to again after their dog was diagnosed with cancer, and couldn't afford chemotherapy (my previous dog- it was just as expensive). Should that preclude you from owning an animal?

good post Dhi, and sry to hear about your pup :( i agree, it isnt all the $ you can spend on a pet that makes them happy. I think the issue with some people is, they exspect others to pull $$ they dont have out of their aZZ for every little thing life demands. People like Peach, who like to talk the talk, but cant walk the walk i think only pass off as what THEY want to see, but have no realistic value other than words. There are a lot of pet owners i know who love their pets, but when it comes to putting them down, have to seek other alternatives. You cant just take your pet to a shelter, even healthy pets if not adopted get put down.

My dog, is a very happy dog. If i gave her to a shelter, or someone else, it would kill her. She's a freindly dog, and when her time comes, as ive said in the past, i wont get another. Not even a cat, or goldfish. I got my dog, the time we have is good, and all i ever wanted from life, and to get another will never be the same.

Megladon, I guess what my real point also was is this: To say that you need to be able to afford medical care is very open ended. You can spend a fortune trying to lengthen the life of an animal. So who is to say where the line is drawn for being able to afford a pet, or not. It is sort of arbitrary. A lot of these people ranting about how "you shouldn't have a pet if you can't afford the medical care" probably also reach a point where they say, "I've done all I can", where there are most likely other, very expensive options to try out.

Another example, my mother in law just paid over $5,000 for ACL surgery on her dog. How many of these people would have done that? Or, would they let their dog continue to live with a sore knee? The point is, who is the moral barometer by which to measure when you have fulfilled your responsibility?

Nice post Eric. If America was a living human body then New Mexico would be the @!$%#. Its where all the @!$%# comes out of anyway. Im ok with 49 states.

If you can't afford to own a pet don't have one. That includes vet bills. Any idiot knows that.

Mike see 1.43 and 1.45. I'm curious how you would respond?

"There are a lot of pet owners i know who love their pets, but when it comes to putting them down, have to seek other alternatives. You cant just take your pet to a shelter, even healthy pets if not adopted get put down."

They will put it down if it can't be adopted out or if it is old and Euthanizing it would be the most humane thing to do. No need to search for an "alternative" thats what shelters are there for.

There is no excuse for not taking it to the Vet. If you don't have it Vaccinated for Parvo or the other diseases and Viruses that can be avoided by Vaccinations you allow it to die a slow Painful death. Not to mention that without having the animal Spayed or Neutered than you are looking at a possible litter of puppies you can't afford to have Vaccinated either you just passed on that slow painful death to all of them if they succumb to these preventable illnesses.

ChiCity, you already saw my response. 1.47 comes AFTER the others.

You did a great job of not addressing the issue. Would you be able to afford multiple thousands in vet bills? If someone can't, does that mean they shouldn't own a pet? If that is the case, I want to invest in the companies euthanizing animals because 95% of the country couldn't afford the $15,000+ in vet bills I paid last year. The issue is not so cut and dry.

Nebraska Mom:

Let's not forget that this is a DOG! That bit a CHILD!

The CHILDREN! THE POOR CHILDREN! The POOR child who didnt even really get a scratch! The poor child who prob made the dog mad by doing SOMETHING! Oh the CHILDREN!

Nebraska mom, you prob have kids starving in your city, since you care about children more than any other full grown human being or animal then get off newsvine and go collect canned food. Jesus.

Sick of this, does it mention what happened to the kid or whether the kid provoked the attack?

i love my dog to death, but if she ever got to the point she was biteing people, especially children, i'd put her down myself if i had to

The vast majority of the time when a dog bites a human it is because the dog wasn't properly socialized or trained (which can be easily corrected), or it is due to a medical problem (which can likewise be corrected). Seldom is the dog being aggressive and biting people for seemingly no reason at all. A skilled veterinary doctor can often identify exactly what the issue is. Often it is something as mundane as otitis externa and the dog reacting to the pain when an unknowing owner or child touches the dog near the ear.

i would make it as painless as possible for the old gal

The AVMA (that's the American Veterinary Medical Association for the less informed) actually accepts a bullet to the brain as a humane method of euthanasia. However, most people do not realize that it is only a painless and quick death when properly performed. Specific caliber weapons must be used at a specific distance. A bit of general knowledge of different species neuroanatomy (more than your average farmer has) is necessary to ensure that the bullet avoids the bony ridge of the skull while still passing through the brain and brainstem. Anything less is considered an inhumane death. I shouldn't have to say that I suspect that most people that aren't veterinarians would not be able to pull this off humanely 100% of the time, and would simply "aim and shoot" without considering any anatomical implications of the method.

lol, Peach, might want to go back to your hole for a while more. When i got my pet, Mira, weighed only 45 lbs, maybe less, was missing most of her fur, had bad fly strike on her ears, didnt know what a treat, or a toy was,(still doesnt play with toys), and hid her food. When i went to meet her, she sat next to me for the 3 hrs i was there, and never moved. She started to cry when i was leaving and has been by my side ever since, like a shadow.

That's wonderful that you rescued her, I'm sure she is grateful to you. But I noticed that you didn't mention that you got her fully vaccinated, spayed, on heartworm prevention, or bring her to the vet for routine check ups. As an animal lover, I am tremendously glad that you took her in. But as a veterinary medical student, I can only hope that you take care of her basic preventative medical care. Too often do I see individuals with a big heart and good intentions present cases that end badly because of a situation that could have been fully prevented.

does it mention what happened to the kid or whether the kid provoked the attack?

No, but thanks for further proving my point. It didnt say, so we DONT KNOW

I think you made my point. You and many others are making assumptions about this guy and his motivations. I think what he did was wrong, but re-read the thread. People are likening this guy to a serial killer. The fact is, we know almost none of the details of this case. We do know he is a felon, and the dog bit the kid. We don't know if he derives some sort of satisfaction from this, or if the dog was provoked or just lashed out. Reading your former comments, including the nonsensical reference to the JFK quote, I think you proved my point.

Eric,

Again, I agree completely with what you said:

The vast majority of the time when a dog bites a human it is because the dog wasn't properly socialized or trained (which can be easily corrected), or it is due to a medical problem (which can likewise be corrected). Seldom is the dog being aggressive and biting people for seemingly no reason at all. A skilled veterinary doctor can often identify exactly what the issue is. Often it is something as mundane as otitis externa and the dog reacting to the pain when an unknowing owner or child touches the dog near the ear.

They had the dog for 9 years. The article did not say how bad etc. but come on. As mentioned before, I had a 10 year old female Black Lab. The sweetest dog in the world and i snuck up on her when she was in a deep sleep and basically said the equivalent of Boo in her face. I got bit in the face, but my dog Stormy looked stunned at what she had done. She never meant to bite me. I had a friend who's dog started growling at people as they got close to her out of the blue. A quick trip to the Vet showed she had a bone lodged in the roof of her mouth causing severe pain. Dogs can't use the paws like we can use our hands and arms to warn off anything unwelcome. I can not believe they put their dog down period, let alone with a chainsaw!

People are likening this guy to a serial killer.

he used a chainsaw

We do know he is a felon

UMMMM????

Reading your former comments, including the nonsensical reference to the JFK quote, I think you proved my point.

soooooo, what part of it did you not understand?

That being said, that is completely different than an agressive, dangerous dog. Based on the fact that they had that dog for 9 years without incident (?), I just can not believe they put dog down. Oh and the fact this guy had CRYSTAL METH on his record backs up his true insanity and out of control behavior. Why people are defending his actions is down right heartbreaking.

Sandra, thanks for the kind words. I have a 2 year old black lab myself. Smartest dog I've ever had. He can retrieve me a beer from the fridge (among other things).

If I were to give an unscientific ballpark estimate, I would say that in my clinical experience dealing with thousands of dogs - out of the ones that displayed aggression 70% was due to improper socialization, 15% was due to a medical condition which was treatable, 10% a combination of both, 4% to a condition that was incurable (like something neurological), and 1% was idiopathic but probably also medical in origin. Key point, it is usually pretty obvious why an animal is acting the way they are.

Since they can't talk to me, I use behavioral signs like aggression to investigate possible diagnoses all the time.

Sick of this, that must be the problem, I don't understand. Let's not consider for one second that you are making leaps from assumption to assumption without really knowing anything other than the few facts listed here.

Eric, I appluade your lab (I grew up with labs and they are often too smart for their own good). Although, I worry that much like the debates I have had with you on politics, you oversimplify the issues. Often when "rehabilitating" a dog, it is a constant work in progress, with always the possibility of regression. I'm not speaking to this case, but to the problem in general.

I have always had multiple dogs, and never one with any behavioral problems. I agree that dogs are not born bad. That being said, if I had a dog that bit my child, I wouldn't have him around to potenitally bite again. I wouldn't chop his head off, but regression is a common element of healing a troubled dog. My kid would always come first. If you have any question as to my love of dogs, you can see my post 1.43. I have essentially sent my vet's kids through college over the past 15 years (bad luck with serious illnesses). But a distinction still must be made between an animal and a human.

I worry that much like the debates I have had with you on politics

Forgive me for my lapse of memory, but when have I ever had a debate with you on politics? I try to avoid politics like the plague, as I consider the topic worthless. Similarly with religion, although often I will dabble in that one as it relates to science denialism. So unless you can show me where I debated you, I'll have to remain skeptical and conclude that you are probably confusing me with somebody else.

Often when "rehabilitating" a dog, it is a constant work in progress, with always the possibility of regression. I'm not speaking to this case, but to the problem in general.

Oh absolutely. Notice how I didn't say that "70% was due to poor socialization and training and all 70% could be corrected". Short of education on dog behavior and training I don't really see a way that number will decline.

That being said, if I had a dog that bit my child, I wouldn't have him around to potenitally bite again.

Likewise, absolutely. But I would hope that you would take him to the vet first to see if it was due to a medical condition that was 100% treatable, like otitis externa. Dogs don't suddenly bite people for no reason after years of being docile. An animal is not a mindless automaton.

But a distinction still must be made between an animal and a human.

The distinction is a subjective one, not an objective one. Humans are not inherently superior to other animals, we just like to believe that we are. It is important to not hold any delusions of grandeur to the contrary. Nonetheless, that subjective distinction is reflected in our society and in our laws. I consider my job of saving the life of an animal to be no less important than saving the life of a human, otherwise I wouldn't have turned down my acceptance to human medical school.

Which was actually my fall back plan, funny enough, since vet school is so damned hard to get into compared to human med school.

Eric, you're right, I must have you confused with another Eric on here.

I also want to reiterate, I am as big an animal lover as there is, and that is exactly how I would have handled it. I am still getting over my Swiss Mountain Dog who I died at 4.5 after a battle with epilepsy, an FCE, finally losing him of all things to bloat. He had a neurologist he saw all the time, a water therapy regimen, and accupuncture. Maybe it is hard for me to fully empathize, because my dogs have always been the sweetest things ever (I currently have a golden retreiver and a bernese mountain dog).

Still, I believe that when they are not mutually exclusive, the priority to safeguard human safety over animal rights is the correct course of action.

I think he should have been punished but eight years?
Some murders (of people) don't get that.

Somebody has lost their marbles.

it was for prior convictions not just for what he did to the dog

Have any of you seen "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre?" Great film.

I also want to reiterate, I am as big an animal lover as there is, and that is exactly how I would have handled it. I am still getting over my Swiss Mountain Dog who I died at 4.5 after a battle with epilepsy, an FCE, finally losing him of all things to bloat. He had a neurologist he saw all the time, a water therapy regimen, and accupuncture.

I'm sorry to hear about that. He sounded like a great dog. I'm actually thinking of specializing in neurology myself. I think I can do more good for that area of veterinary medicine than anywhere else.

Still, I believe that when they are not mutually exclusive, the priority to safeguard human safety over animal rights is the correct course of action.

And that is reflected in the laws that we currently have. As veterinarians, we try to do both when possible. In the oath that we all take, it says that we have an obligation to protect both animal and human life.

Eric, you're right, I must have you confused with another Eric on here.

No worries :).

@ Eric0038

yes little vittle, she does have all her shots, and still gets the $35.00 annual checkups. When an animal starts to bite, it isnt because of training, or lack of. Some when they get old, something changes in them, just like in some people as they get to that age. Something gets a little out of whack with an animal, just like in us humans. The $35.00 for this visit, (actually used to be $25), didnt come from UEB's, but i actually had the chance to be employed for a short time till work slowed down. Like most, i am keeping the faith something will turn up job wise, and not going to vote for any of the dems in my sector that were in office for this term.

You, like anyone including myself, can pick little bits of what someone says to make an issue out of it, but rather ask, just put it out there, that you want to troll with no backup. i have been lucky thus far with my pup, and i am happy. Then we take a look at those who like me have lost a job, and a place to live. Thier animals go to shelters, and despite what a shelter tells you, perfectly fine animals get put to sleep because not enough homes to care for them all.

almost forgot, she was spaded prior to getting her. So before you go on another troll, anything you and Peaches would like to ASK, before trying to troll me out? lol

Hey Megalodon, did I say anything particularly offensive to you in my response? It seems that you thought I was calling you out or something. Why so defensive? I was actually quite nice and civil with you in my post, so I can't see how you interpreted it that way. But since I was civil and you responded in a particularly hostile and offensive fashion, I will be less so this time.

When an animal starts to bite, it isnt because of training, or lack of. Some when they get old, something changes in them, just like in some people as they get to that age.

Yeah it is usually because of training, and when it is not it is usually because of a medical condition. In an elderly animal, it can be because of senility or deafness/blindness when surprised, but it can also be due to medical problems that are common in older dogs. Never does it happen without a penultimate cause, some of which can be treated, some of which cannot. I'm in veterinary medical school, are you? If not, then don't bother trying to school me on canine behavior and veterinary medicine, because I am 100% positive that I know worlds more than you do on the matter, as is evidence by the following:

almost forgot, she was spaded prior to getting her.

An ovariohysterectomy is commonly called being spayed, not spaded. If you don't want people to pick apart your posts, then don't make it so damned easy to do so.

That's fantastic that she is spayed though and that you bring her for annual checkups. Hopefully nothing medically serious will happen to her while you are still in a bout of bad luck. I know it's hard to find a job these days so good luck with that as well. What line of work are you in?

Indy Patriot-1934313 animals are better than you because they lack the capacity to be a douche

Megalodon, I took a wild guess and assumed you were spiteful little dem hating right-wingnut. Taking a gander at these forums, I'm less then surprised. Glad to know I'm not losing my ability to see through your bad grammar and call em as I read 'em.

Back on topic now, you sticking up for this whack-job, is not a surprise either. When you fall into this same situation I wouldn't put it passed your little brain to deem yourself judge, jury and executioner of animals as well.

Thankfully there are laws in place to punish people like you (proven in this article), who think they have a sick right to put ANY animals to death. It is NOT your right, and never will be. Religion is polluting your brain, animals have just as much of a right to be here as you do.

BTW having faith won't land you a job. Get real.

and like a dem-lover, you will put words into my mouth, and tell me there is a rainbow outside my window.... when in reality you just painted one on it, and its raining cats and dogs outside.

i didnt take his side. i only stated mine, and my poit of view. you dont like it, you can go back to smoothing azz with the rest of the dem crooks for all i care. find 1 law that is going to punish me, for anything i said? this is, i think you are a tool, and a troll. you want to try and pitch your almighty holyness to me, like some Nobama the Clown groupie, who will tell me i have no rights other than those forced down my throat. tell ya what pal, say you pay my bills, feed me and my kids, and my pup, and so on, well then i will let you, or some other tool tell me how to run my buisness. Facts are facts, if someone doesnt have the money to something that needs to be done, as in any case, they what they gotta do, and little tools like yourself can go f'off unless you want to personally foot the bill. Then see you dont pay my bills or any of the above... you want to think that everyone should think act, and do just like because?? you seem to me because your a tool

BTW having faith won't land you a job. Get real.

In defense of Megalodon (see, I'm defending you) I doubt that he actually meant that the way you interpreted it. I read it as (to paraphrase), "I'm still holding hope that I'll find a new job soon".

I think most people aren't stupid enough to believe that if they pray hard enough to [insert whatever 'god' you want here] eventually they will be rewarded by said deity for their bounty of faith.

one can pray till their nose falls off, and it wont get them a job, if they dont go out and look. and, i appolgise, to Eric, my dog is as much part of my life, and as important as one's own family member would be. So i do take it rather personal when certain people want to assume things rather than ask, or other. I know someone's remark in assuming sparked a low growl out of me, however, as i said, i do appologise.

as for people taking it upon themselves to say i am taking sides with the guy who chainsawed hid dog, i am not. However his dog bit someone, and in some areas, all it takes is 1 bite, and the dog or other is taken and put down. i do not condone this in every situation either. reason being...

my uncle and cousin, and her kids were visiting me one day. one of my cousins kids did something, not sure what it was, i wasnt looking at the time, but she yelped, and might have made a snapping gesture because of the pain. My uncle insisted Mira was aiming to bite the tyke, however i had Mira for 2 yrs by then, ive seen her around all types from infant to adult. if she wanted to bite, she would have, but never has she when it came down to even having all right to in her defence. My uncle insisted i have her put down, and i insisted he never darken my doorstep again, till he can appolgise. he had stated, no matter what kind of pain a dog is in, from anyone do they have a right to snap or bite, and i dont buy that.

he hasnt darkend my doorstep since, and i consider it no loss, as far as family goes, his type is exspendable.

I know someone's remark in assuming sparked a low growl out of me, however, as i said, i do appologise.

It's no problem :). I apologize if you took any offense to anything I said as well.

he had stated, no matter what kind of pain a dog is in, from anyone do they have a right to snap or bite, and i dont buy that.

Yes, absolutely. It is akin to a reflex. I explain it to people as follows - lets say you go to the doctor because you have an intense pain in your neck, but rather than giving you a heads up that he/she is going to touch you there, they press down as hard as they can - much to your surprise. The knee-jerk reaction for nearly everybody would be to react by slapping the doctor. Dogs will have an equivalent reaction, but they will use their mouth.

In older dogs, it seems to be common with ear infections and arthritis - things that an individual can't easily see and thus it will happen when they will inadvertently touch a painful area.

And again I am sure we are not getting the full story.

" The District Attorney's Office received more than 600 e-mails from animal activists worldwide.."

One does not have to be labeled as an " animal activist," to have strong feelings about this insane man.

Indy Patriot-1934313

I think you are an idiot, illogical, and lacking in any mercy and compassion.

What are the other prior crimes this person committed? What is "false imprisonment?" Eight years is not enough time. This type of mental illness is said to be incurable. I think it is called Conduct Disorder, which is sociopathic behavior. There is no pill for him.

I can find but one valid point in your posts

Indy Patriot-1934313

When one considers punishments in a relative way, his 8 years seem harsh.

The perverts who abuse, and rape little children seem to receive a lesser sentence. Too often, they are out after less than a year, only to rape and steal the heart and soul from another little child. The solution for them is not time served, then the national register, but life in prision.

I have known some really loving pit bulls. I know a fine young man who had heard of a dog fighting ring in a very affluent part of my state. He went there and bought a "runt" from these loonies who take sport in this.

It is not just Michael Vick who is involved in this perverse behavior. I understand that it is happening and has been happening for a long time in our country. Their method of training would make most of you who posted cry or vomit.

No eight years is not enough, nor was the time Vick received enough. Until some Judge has the love for all that is innocent and living this will continue just as the harm to children does.

Hey "MrCool".........Let me help you out here-

First of all, if you'd like to respond to my post, I would suggest you write your response directly under the thread in which it was originally posted, not on another thread that has no reference. I know, I know, that would imply logic and active participation, but we can't all be proactive, now can we, "MrCool"?

Second, I'm not an idiot, my post was logical (though your emotional knee-jerk reaction will not let you think in a complimentary logical fashion), and no, I am not lacking in mercy and compassion.

My point, for all the PETA-frenzied activists out there, was that 8 years for killing a dog is NOT justice, it is a travesty.

Do you people get this fired up when hundreds of thousands of beef cattle are slaughtered every year after spending 6 months in a feedlot, in @!$%# up to their neck??

How about the geese that are force-fed, to the point of death, to encourage hepatomegaly (enlarged liver) for the sake of fois gras??

What about the millions of poultry that are raised in darkened longhouses, bred to be so fat and robust that their legs literally break under the rapid growth rate??

Any of you mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, pampered prima donnas gonna argue for the "cause" on that one? Or are you solely interested in scathing all of those who defend against a man's exorbitant incarceration for killing his own dog....that BIT a young girl?

I'm not saying that he went about the execution properly, but I don't blame him. Yeah, he couldn't get a gun because of his record, so you're going to lambast him for using a knife?? Chances are the damn dog was dead before the chainsaw was used anyways. And along that line, would any of you feel better if he HAD used a gun??? Is that more humane, or does it not matter? Feel free to pipe up and answer that one.

Yes, my argument is that the animal lovers out there have no problem seeing a man ripped away from his family for 8 years over a DOG, but would you get as incensed over the issue if this had been a case of domestic assault??

Furthermore, you idiots keep bringing up Michael Vick. Vick's case has little to do with this scenario, outside the fact that dogs were also killed. I'm not defending Vick's actions, but you can stop trying to support your insignificant rationale by using his case. Stick to the topic at hand.

Lastly, you post that you feel I am not compassionate, but you yourself see no problem with robbing a man of 8 years of his life. If this man had been YOUR father, would you still feel the same way? People in this country get less incarceration for manslaughter than this guy is getting.

When you want to debate a point, use your brain, not your emotions.

I know this post was not directed at me but I can't help myself.

I read your posts and talk about emotional! All you can do is call people names because they don't agree with you, why don't you use your brain? Wait a minute, if you did you would realize this guy did not get 8 years for killing the dog, he got 8 years because he HAS A CRIMINAL RECORD.It would be safe to say that his kids are better off without his influence it their lives. They do not need a role model who is more interested in trafficking drugs and killing dogs than spending time raising his kids the right way.

The kids were in the house and not in danger, what justifies what he did in lieu of calling 911 to report a dog attack. I really do want an answer to this, an all knowing being such as yourself should come up with a completely logical answer.

I am seriously offended by the content of your posts. I considered my self a very intelligent person, and have achieved much in my life. But, according to your twisted logic, I am an idiot because I think the guy deserves what he got.

This man's family was robbed 8 years of his life? Hahaha, he robbed his family by being a criminal. Since when it is ok to not make someone take responsibility for his/her actions. If you do the crime, do the time. If you want to be with your family rather than in jail, then abide by the law.

The slauter of animals for food is so completely different from this situation I cannot even begin to entertain a response to that completely ignorant comparison.

It is people like you that make me stop and say "what is wrong with people". We should be much more of an empathetic society, that includes locking up criminals. His family is better off without him.

Remember when SNL used to do Gerald Ford in the Oval Office. Libery! Roll over Liberty!

Indy Patriot-1934313 said:

Lastly, you post that you feel I am not compassionate, but you yourself see no problem with robbing a man of 8 years of his life. If this man had been YOUR father, would you still feel the same way? People in this country get less incarceration for manslaughter than this guy is getting.

When you want to debate a point, use your brain, not your emotions.

Using the "If this man had been YOUR father" bit is playing on emotions, so you should probably practice what you preach.

The man had a prior criminal record- that's what he got 8 mandatory years for. He's not being robbed of anything that he didn't deserve.

Liv2barlac (whatever the hell that means....)

EVERY single one of the points of your post can be argued in reciprocal fashion. If I didn't have to leave soon, I would spend the time to retort.

I only wanted to point out that PETA stands for "People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals", not PETAWTEOFA "People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals With The Exception Of Farm Animals"!!

MY POINT was that you cannot sit there at your computer and feign righteousness for the sake of animals by one glaring example of a man killing his DOG, yet millions of farm animals every year are kept in horrific conditions for the sake of feeding fat, stupid Americans cheap and easy food. Funny how I NEVER hear any of you blowhards go off about THAT....but God forbid should a man put down his own animal for biting a child!!

So, you "very intelligent person"- Can you "entertain a response" to that point?

Second, you state "We should be much more of an empathetic society, that includes locking up criminals. His family is better off without him." Funny read your own post and see if that makes sense.

You're so empathetic you think locking up people for petty crimes for YEARS is correct? You're feeling empathetic by stating that his family is better off without him?? How the Hell do you know?? Real empathetic........

Why don't you use your vast intellect to explain ANY of the questions I have posed on this forum??? And as for the name-calling, I usually do not stoop to such lows, but I feel the shoe fits on this one........besides, it was the PETA fanatics who started the "idiot" thing.

CHEERS!!!

DSVet-

Typical response I expected. I will allow you to take a bow on my usage of "playing to emotions", but you still sidestepped my point. I was reiterating the idea that you people have no problem sending this man to jail for an exorbitant amount of time because of YOUR emotional response to the situation. Again, pets trump humans according to the activists.

And yeah, I well aware of this man's prior record. Yes, I understand that he was given a harsher sentence for having a prior record. But again, let's qualify this. His record did not consist of prior convictions for animal cruelty, it was for other non-related offenses. But let's go a step further. If his prior convictions were relatively mild, say, petty shoplifting or failing to pay his car registration, would you still feel the same way?

If he had prior convictions for the same thing, then I say, YEAH!, he deserves a harsher penalty because he did not learn from his actions. But the essence of his record doesn't seem to make any difference for most of you.

AGAIN! I DO NOT condone his actions, or the killing of his dog in the manner he did, necessarily. I DO, however, feel it is none of anyone else's business how he chooses to do so. I don't think it was right using a chainsaw, but I fail to see how that alone qualifies your blatant indifference to his incarceration.

BTW, you may be a vet, but I'm a doctor as well. I understand the emotions that run high when people feel attached to their pets, and animals in general. But in no way do I feel a man, record or no record, deserves 8 years for this matter. I do not put animals before people.

ALright! Go ahead with the flaming, "doc". Dish it out!!!!!

BTW, you may be a vet, but I'm a doctor as well.

Are you a medical doctor? Because otherwise I don't see how having a doctorate in anything, although quite commendable, is worth bringing up in this instance. Except to point out that you aren't an uneducated hillbilly as others have suggested.

Indy Patriot-1934313-

IMO people tend to judge living things based off the level of compassion and personality that they exude. Dogs are nearly as compassionate as humans, and cats tend to show a level as well- this is why a lot of people see these animals as being on the same level as humans. The better you know these animals the stronger the bond becomes. Most people do not have the same bond with other animals like cows and chickens.

A lot of times dogs will show more compassion and forgiveness than some humans so it's very easy to put animals before people. There is nothing special about humans that keeps me from seeing them as being better than everything else. I've known a fair amount of people that I'd kill in a heartbeat with no remorse whatsoever.

As far as the guy's sentence goes his conviction was handed according to law. You may think it's harsh but that's just your feelings talking to you. I don't feel that way at all- a person with an ongoing criminal history is a public hazard and needs to be dealt with.

BTW I'm a war vet, not a veterinarian.

To all those who support PETA:

http://articles.sfgate.com/2005-06-23/opinion/17379611_1_peta-s-web-animal-cruelty-dead-animals

BTW I'm a war vet, not a veterinarian

I would just like to thank you for your service, if you don't mind.

I almost joined the military because they would pay for my veterinary school (all $200,000 + dollars of it, amazing), but I didn't go through with it. So I am tremendously grateful to people like you.

Although, if I did join then I guess I would have been a vet squared or doublevet or something, lol

he didn't just drown them either, he slammed one against the ground till it's head broke open. he's scum and should still be in jail. boycott anything with the philadelphia eagles affiliated to it.

The longer jail sentence is because of his prior record. Read the article.

From this article, I didn't get who the pit bull owner was. If he was the owner, he deserves 8 years. If someone else owned the pit bull, they ought to get 10 years. Owning a pit bull is far more dangerous than owning a gun.

Mick, from what I gathered, it was his dog. Maybe I'm wrong though?

Vick's jail sentence was a federal crime (interstate commerce), his first offense, he failed a piss test while awaiting trial but eventually pled guilty.

This guy is a convicted felon, he was probably under the influence (? I'm assuming, but how many meth addicts go to their own barbecue w/o drinking?), he let his situation get out of control (his dog at his party at his house), he tried to deal with the situation himself - TO AVOID THE LEGAL CONSEQUENCES THAT HE FACED AS THE DOG OWNER- and finally he decided that cutting the animal's head off with a freaking chainsaw was the answer. All this while the party was still in progress on the property, including minors that were aware of what was happening, whether they could see it or not.

This guy isn't ready for the "outside world." He needs to be confined, controlled, watched and have his behavior dictated to him. Clearly he lacks the mental ability to make logical decisions. Can you imagine what he might justify in an altercation over a parking spot? He doesn't deserve the right to interact with the rest of the world.

There are no bad animals. Only bad owners. If a pit bull is bad, it was TRAINED to be bad.

yea tell that to the guy killed by the mountain goat while hiking lol

Hey, lets throw another "dog" on the barbie!!

The mountain goat was just reacting to someone invading his territory. That is like the federal government spending 10 million dollars to figure out that sea otters were being eaten by sharks and killer whales. They are also trying to figure out how to stop it. hey, nature being nature cannot be stopped. The goat felt invaded so reacted.

Michael Vick is scum and will eventually get the punishment he deserved.

Get over it Mike, he paid his debt and is doing far more good now educating people about the horrific dog fighting trade than you are demonizing him.

Georgia Peach.....

Dogs are instinctively animalistic in nature, no matter how much they are trained. True, good training greatly reduces the chances of a dog "gone bad", but you can't qualify that statement.

Animals instinctly return to their primal roots whenever they are removed from their normal disposition. The cause can be virtually anything, really. It doesn't necessarily mean the owners were hurtful or negligent.

Bite me ChiCity. Vick is scum and will pay eventually when he returns to his roots.

Isn't that constructive. "Returns to his roots"? Not sure what that means. I do not condone what he did, but he is doing more good educating people in areas where dog fighting is seen as ok, than any group like PETA or other pissed off animal lovers. He has the potential to do more to eradicate the dog fighting industry than probably anyone in the US. You are entitled to your opinion, regardless of how un-constructive it may be.

Isn't that constructive. "Returns to his roots"? Not sure what that means. I do not condone what he did, but he is doing more good educating people in areas where dog fighting is seen as ok, than any group like PETA or other pissed off animal lovers.

Vick doesnt give a @!$%#, he clearly does not care. People excuse him because they love commercialized football more than their families or living things. I bet all the football fans secretly wished OJ just got off clean so that way they can still win bets. Its so pathetic. I hope Vick dies on the field.

Best idea I have seen so far! Thnks for posting

That would be a cool scene in CHAINSAW MASACRE!!!

True. Although his criminal history didn't help.

Still Working: Perhaps you should be fired so you can't pay your electric bill and we don't have to see you making such "asinine" posts.

This jerk has priors, which calls for additional time to be tacked on for committing CRIMES while on PAROLE. If he'd have never been the horror criminal he was in the first place, the sentence would have been for 18 months, which in my estimation is far too little punishment, since crimes against animals are a psychological flag for someone who'll eventually kill other humans.

Too bad you feel animal abuse is on par with parking tickets. Hope you don't own any.

He had priors. Doesn't say he was on parole. It's a little ironic how many of these animal rights activists would like to take a chain saw to this guy (fellow human being).

Jesus Rules,

stop following the logic of PETA freaks who care about animals more than human beings.

While I agree that Yahweh gave us the responsibility of dominion over animals (which this freak clearly abused), 8 years in prison is just a waste of the state taxpayers money for executing an animal that probably should have been put down anyway.

There were much more humane ways this could have been handled though. Someone must have been angry.

It always begins with animals.... then on to humans! Normally, if I saw it was in the area of NM it happened in, I would just say "going along with the territory!" The Judge there has my utmost respect! Finally someone who will stand up against animal cruelty...

yeah, but the loser probably got off on doing it.

So true!

Again JesusRules?

Now he was on parole? It said that? again you are judging and now making things up. I still love the irony with your user name

It's a little ironic how many of these animal rights activists would like to take a chain saw to this guy (fellow human being).

stop following the logic of PETA freaks who care about animals more than human beings

You know whats funny? Its like your trying to rile up emotions but putting this trash. F*** you. ITS NOT ABOUT ANIMALS...ITS ABOUT COMPASSION FOR ALL LIVING THINGS

Sick of this,

you seem like a rational, caring human (*snicker*). did you read the rest of my post where i said that this guy abused the dominion Yahweh has given us over animals??

Guess u missed that part.

Tek (*snicker*) thats pretty cute, no i didnt miss it, there is no Yahweh, no one gave us anything over anything, thats such an arrogant statement and its an excuse.

But go ahead and keep following your sun,flower,dirt God

(*Snicker*)

Sickofthis123,

'ITS ABOUT COMPASSION FOR ALL LIVING THINGS'

F*** Me? Where's the compassion? I'm living!

so i'm gettin' moral advice from an atheist? And its an excuse for what?? There is no excuse for abusing animals, and that is exactly the reason that there shouldn't be an excuse, reverence for living things.

And how is it arrogant to say that Yahweh exists??

i'm sure about 2/3rds of the world agrees with me, no matter what they call him.

John, you know whats going on, I have tolerence for you and compassion for you, but the second someone proves me otherwise you become inhuman to me, especially justifying this guys actions. This guy has proven that he is unfit to live in a peaceful world. he is evil and malicious and does not belong here. ANYONE who abuses ANY animal does not belong here. That ALSO goes for humans, if you abuse other humans, you are scum.

A dog is a chattel. A piece of property. You can buy this property for about $100. This guy got 8 years for destroying his property in a manner unacceptable to society. And his life is not chattel. Did the 600+ email politicized the judge who is probably up for re-election? PR justice at its best.

For all chicken, hog, and cattle farmers, if you knowingly don't maintain your slaughter machines in perfect order you will get 8 years if your machine inhumanely killed one of the animals. Precedence cuts both ways.

For all the dipsticks that are screaming that "this guy got 8 years when you only get a year for raping a kid" - you are lunatics.

If you're saying less than 8 years for crimes-against-persons is not enough, then I agree.

If you are saying that a crime-against-an animal doesn't deserve 8 years then you're nutz.

Let's compare apples to apples here. Do you think that if he had killed a person BY CUTTING THEIR HEAD OFF WITH A CHAINSAW he would have received a sentence of less than 8 years? I didn't think so.

FatCat, there is a difference for animals that are raised to be food and those that are pets. He didn't slaughter the dog for food. Chickens, hogs and cattle are livestock. Animals raised for food. Dogs and cats are not. Besides, pitt bulls in some areas go for a lot more than $100.00. It also isn't a table or a bed. It is a living thing. So, I guess if you have an animal and decide to get rid of it, it is okay to just kill it? That is just wrong.

Robert:

The difference between raising an animal as live stock versus as a pet is our deeper emotional committment and development to the pet. Humans develope an emotional bond while raising a pet and that bond is what gives the additional value not reflected in the price of the chattel.

In the old days 4H Clubs encouraged youngsters to raise hogs or cattles for competition. As the youngster raised the animals, invariably, the youngster developes an emotional attachment to his animal and viewed the farm animal more as his pet. On the day the youngster submit his animal to competition and wins some prize, he is shocked into reality as his animal is purchased as food and ultimately sold to the highest bidder slaughter house.

Whether the price is $100 or $1000, animals are chattel with a price whereas human beings are not.

Every month, animal shelters kill hundreds of pets because of over crowding and financial pressure and no one willing to adopt the excessive pets. Many people think they can wash their hands clean when they turn in their unwanted pets to the animal shelter rather than kill them themselves. Chances are good that the animal shelter is doing the slaughter for them.

However, your emotional response is correct in that certain way of killing an animal is unacceptable to society.

The comparison to serial killers is dumb. Serial killers do in fact tend to kill and abuse animals before humans. Over a long period of time and many animals and they do it for a thrill, when the thrill is gone they go on to humans. This was one instance after it bit a kid and the guy made a really really dumb move with what he did. But unless you somewhere read something I didn't I missed the part that said he has some kind of animal killing spress going on with him. I read that it was one after it bit a kid. But so many people feel for an animal that bites a kid over humans they blur there vision of the facts

atleast he didn't use a weedwacker!!

The dumbest post of the day - congrats Surg

Anyone ever heard of a Hunter! or Taxidermist?,I want to reply but from what I see from all these replies is clear evidence,that human life is becoming devaluated,and animal life is becoming equivalent! all the commercials today and all the services including laws are quite disturbing,if you people can't see it,then you have issues also,I mean I relate to pets as being loving and loyal, but never,ever the equivalent of a family member or another human being,they are called animals for a reason,it is because it is an ANIMAL,they are species way below the level of intelligence of humans,no matter how emotional we become attached they cannot take the place of human beings, nor can they socialize or interact as a human being. I understand the emotions behind our speculation but I question our rationalization of standardizing lower species as human counterparts,,,,,,I mean where does it end,,,,,,there was a time when there was a line that distinguished us from the animal kingdom,,,,are we embarking on a crusade to socializing with animals such as other citizens, if so,then we are beginning to lose our human identity. The shortening of the parallels of our reasoning is reflected in the laws we pass in society,for example 25 years ago the only care we presented for animals were vaccinations,food,and shelter, now there are grooming centers,daycare centers,medications for all types of animal disorders that mimic human disorders,meds for depression,overweightness,diabetes,and cancers. There are interactive software devices for talking to animals, lawyers for animals,so much care for animals even rejected homeless animals,but yet we commit thousands of abortions DAILY!!!!!!& CALL IT PRO-CHOICE!!!!! so how can we call ourselves civilized when we value animal life more than human life! so what is next for our pets, perhaps their sexual needs?will it be acceptable for humans to make love to their pets? disgusting you say? is it far fetched?I mean if you take in account all we are offering animals and our sensitivity to their well-being as we do for humans, then imagine yourself being emasculated! or fixed unable to experience pleasure against your will! so you see where this is going.......we are on the top of the food chain not they!,,,,,,and as horrid this man's actions were it was not against another human so his penalty should not be as stiff,I would suggest a hefty fine,that would suffice, but all of you who suggest that he got what he deserve shows the condemned that today there is little compassion for human life by your responses, and don't think for one moment when he gets out that he won't have a chip on his shoulder against humanity thanks to everyone who views animal life more sacred than life in the womb, he might take this in consideration the next time since we cant' distinguish between the two anymore.

Thankyou EMI- you fleshed out my point exactly.

Unfortunately, the frustrating part is that the PETA fanatics will likely not agree with you, no matter the rationale. It's sad.

Do you retards not get it? I think this "animals are to be treated like garbage" comes from your ignorant mothers and fathers. The ones who learned from their mongoloid mothers and fathers and passed it down the line to you. No one is saying humans are less valuable! Its YOUR ARROGANT soul that makes YOU think that you have this POWER over a helpless life form so that YOU can feel in CONTROL of SOMETHING. You dont treat animals like @!$%# just because its an animal, thats the same thinking that got America in trouble with slaves. EMI and Indy, you guys are pathetic.

Maurice and Indy, I hope to never meet you arrogant people in my path in life. I am going to go and throw up after reading your post Eric Maurice. You are both a sad examples of human beings.

Get off your high horse, Sandra. You don't know me, and it is likely you never will. To you I am a random blip on the computer screen.

You believe I'm arrogant for thinking that human life is vastly more important than a common animals'? You think I'm arrogant for believing 8 years of incarceration is too harsh for the crime committed?

To quote "Sickofthis", I have never said nor insinuated that "animals are to be treated like garbage"......In fact, my posts have said the opposite. But you let your emotional knee-jerk response override any intellectual capacity you may have to retort in a calm, collected manner. Just read any of Sick's posts, the idiotic diatribe is enough to essentially consider him irrelevant to the conversation.

So please, Sandra, go throw up to your heart's content......if you have nothing productive to share, then I suggest you stay off this thread.

You believe I'm arrogant for thinking that human life is vastly more important than a common animals'

I think arrogance necessarily follows from the definition of anthropocentrism, yes. However, as long as one realizes that the worth that they are placing on life is a subjective one and not an objective one, then it isn't particularly arrogant. There's a difference. For example, the evangelical Christian that thinks the universe was created for humans and humans alone is arrogant, but a philanthropist is not.

Eric, don't we ALL place subjective value on life?? Isn't that the crux of the matter, here? Besides, I think it is perfectly natural that we, as humans, maintain an anthropocentric worldview. I mean, what would be the alternative, exactly?

And, to be square, aren't we objectifying life to a degree when we convict someone?

You seem intelligent and modest. Please share your discourse.

Eric, don't we ALL place subjective value on life?? Isn't that the crux of the matter, here?

Yes, that's the point. Subjective value cannot be measured in an objective fashion, thus declaring absolutes such as "human life is superior to animal life" is objectively meaningless. I value the life of my dog infinitely more than the pathetic excuse of a criminal in the article. But that is a subjective value, it means nothing.

Barring a wasteful religious argument, all life is objectively worthless. Which is quite a humbling concept, when one realizes that the universe could choose to snuff you out as you do an ant every single day.

Besides, I think it is perfectly natural that we, as humans, maintain an anthropocentric worldview. I mean, what would be the alternative, exactly?

The alternative is the eastern philosophies. Hardly do all humans maintain an anthropocentric worldview. I, in particular, have always rejected it. It is the primary reason why I turned down my acceptance into human medical school in favor of veterinary medical school.

However, I will give you that we have a built in bias for human life. It is only natural, and obviously is a very beneficial survival tactic.

I have no issue with either. The only issue I take is when people have the arrogance to assume that this grand universe of ours was created just for humanity, and fail to make the logical or philosophical distinction otherwise.

Also, thanks for calling me intelligent and modest. Everyone loves a compliment.

I just typed out a whole response that took 30 minutes to write and thanks to typical computer issues, I have lost all of it.

Read the article - he had priors. Committed a felony while on probation. Sentence would have been 18 months otherwise.

He was probably drunk and methed out... the child was probably teasing and being mean to the dog. Why is it the animals always get the wrong end of the deal when humans aren't smart enough to raise them right?

He was probably drunk and methed out... the child was probably teasing and being mean to the dog. Why is it the animals always get the wrong end of the deal when humans aren't smart enough to raise them right?

Exactly, thats why im sick of the "dominion over animals" speech

Why does it seem like Pitbulls are the dog of choice for meth heads? Great dogs made lousy by lousy owners.

Not all pit bulls are bad. My daughter has one and she is the sweetest and most gentle dog I have ever seen. That said, they walk her leashed and keep her inside a fenced in back yard, like responsible pet owners should.

In my experience, pitbulls have a tendency to develop arthritic symptoms at about age 8. This leads to distemper and the now famous "I can't believe he bit me. He's always been such a good dog..."

Mrs. Peech, Pitbulls and Dobermans are unpredictable breeds. They have a long history of turning on their masters over any other breed of dog. Pitbulls are especially dangerous because they are exceptionally strong. They can tear through the bindings of a chain link fence if they put they are determined. I know, my Dad owns and operates a kennel and has had one tear out of its run and into another dogs run and kill that other dog, and when my dad came in and saw what happened the pitbull was sitting there wagging its tail with the dead dog at its feet. His runs are made from chain link fence. He refuses pitbulls and dobermans even when business is slow.

Robert, when I was growing up they said they same thing about German Shepherds. Any animal can be unpredictable. There are many responsible pit bull owners. I personally think pit bulls have gotten a bad wrap. Again I say, there are no bad dogs, just bad owners. But you are also correct, any dog can be unpredictable.

Yeah, Ladyhawke, add some more fruitless false-inferences to support your argument.

Just a suggestion, but next time use LOGIC, not "oh, he probably did this, or he probably is like that" baloney.

My 4-year old son can present a better supported argument than you seem to apparently. He actually uses real facts and rationale to explain his viewpoint. Should I have him call you to discuss these important things, or would it be easier for you to just go back to kindergarten and learn some social skills??

"In my experience, pitbulls have a tendency to develop arthritic symptoms at about age 8. This leads to distemper"

In case you didn't know distemper is a virus that can be Vaccinated against at puppy stages if you take your dog to the vet it has nothing to do with arthritis .

...poor word choice, mea culpa. "Bad temper."

Understand then when a dog gets arthritic and can be sore to the touch, suddenly you have a potential bite just from wanting to pet or brush the dog.

I agree with you but most times the dog will "warn" you with a yelp and a bite , it doesn't get up or continue the attack.

In that type of event (growl and a single bite) I don't think the dog should be put down. If it has trouble getting up and needs special care there are still people that may want to adopt it and give it that special care.

It may be euthanized at a shelter but there are some "NO-KILL" shelters ask Vets and these professional their opinions and do whats right for the animal.

...and you're just a damn turd.

There are plenty of way to kill an animal humanely, but in order to do so you have to be human first right?

he got such a high sentence cause of his criminal history. there are hundreds of more humane ways to put a dog down. go back to your farm you ignorant redneck.

I think you should go sit the 8 years with him, keep him company you know since you seem to think alike. What he did to the dog was wrong.

I am an animal lover and find this story very disturbing. And I believe the man does need to go to prison based on criminal history and the way this crime was done. I know people seem to love animals more then people and say let him rot in prison forever by people but fact is that when people are getting longer prison sentences for killing an animal then people do for killing other people we have really lost our way and need to renew our values of other humans as a whole. 8 years is very steep. And 8 years of keeping an inmate in prison will cost the taxpayers about 400k. When a guy is drunk driving and kills someone who is crossing but doesn't use the crosswalk he gets maybe 4 or 5 years in jail. But a guy kills a dog, as inhumane as it was after it bites a kid and is a single instance, not a slaughter farm or anything and gets 8 years in prison there is just something wrong with the system. Yes prison is justified. But 8 years MANDATORY is a joke. And I am again an animal lover and I even volunteer at the aspca

Hey hal & hater are you talkig to me? I would rather be a red neck than a closed minded and judgemental jerks! 8 yrs for killing a dog that bit a child is rediculous! A child molester gets less than that. You like how the system works, your really a couple of mindless stupid jerks!

Give the guy a break he did what was right. The dog bit a child and should have been dealt with. On the farm we usually shoot them. He didn't have a gun. 8 years is a little steap I think you get about the same amount of time for killing a human. It was just a damn dog.

Well B. when your shi* kicking, Pig *ucking family line dies off we will finally be able to move the human race forward

b.-784172

Hey hal & hater are you talkig to me? I would rather be a red neck than a closed minded and judgemental jerks! 8 yrs for killing a dog that bit a child is rediculous! A child molester gets less than that. You like how the system works, your really a couple of mindless stupid jerks!

For some odd reason when I read your reply I swear I could hear banjo tuning in the background.

b., he didn't get 8 years 'for killing a dog that bit a child'. he would have gotten 18 months because of the way he did it- trying first to cut it's throat; '"that didn't work" he said' in court. failing at that, leaving the bleeding, suffering animal for some amount of time while he rummaged around for something 'better', then cutting off it's head with a chainsaw. he got 8 years because he is an habitual offender, a convicted drug dealer.

all of you apologists who say, 'oh, it had probably already bled out by the time he cut it's head off', that statement is NOT SUPPORTED by the info given. he pled guilty to killing the animal by decapitation. at a party full of children, who were purportedly 'kept away from the door' but yet were obviously aware of what was going on. you trying to tell me that dog went through a failed attempt at having it's throat cut without making a peep? do you not comprehend that this in itself is abusive of the children who were forced to witness it?

this guy is a career criminal, with priors for dealing drugs and false imprisonment. at the very least, liquored up at his hillbilly party, in all likelihood high on meth. his dog bites a kid, and manly man- he's going ta show everybody at his house that HE knows how to deal with that durn dog! make a statement! can you imagine the horror for the little girl that was bitten? not mauled, not maimed, not killed-bitten. I was bitten by a dog as a child- nobody cut it's head off while I was in earshot. that child will live with the result of that for the rest of her life, and you want to feel bad for the stupid redneck who did it? he's obviously not going to be punished for what he did to her.

obviously, these people, whether the family of this turd or his guests, is known to Childrens Services (are we surprised?) and is having some kind of contact with them, because it was childrens services who pushed the issue about investigating several days later.

why are people so ready to excuse cruelty that is the result of general back-asswardness, as being, 'oh well- he's just ignorant. he doesn't know any better'. someday, the cruelty done to those children that witnessed this event will come around in the form of criminal activity on the part of one or more of them, likely. and then you all will condemn that kid and how s/he 'deserves' to go to prison for whatever crime they commit. the seeds of future crime is sown by people like this hillbilly killing his dog with a chainsaw; because he didn't want to have the parent of the kid bitten call the police, because he already had a record and a guilty conscience.

he was too ignorant to call animal services. that is no excuse.

BE careful how you make simple fun of farmers and "rednecks".

All of you metropolitan types, who hardly even have a basic understanding of where your food comes from, need to have a little more respect for the people who grow your food.

Yes, living on a farm requires some "dirty work" to slaughter animals, but the way it is and that is the way it has always been. Last I checked, I was never served a steak that didn't come from a cow that had not been killed previously.

So have a little more respect and compassion for the "sh1t kicking, pig f@cking" farmers out there, to reference "Sickofthis"'s post.

BE careful how you make simple fun of farmers and "rednecks".

Why, what are you going to do? Are you going to treat the animals any worse then you or they do? hahaha I really dont think it could get any worse so any direction we take this situation will only make the animals situation better. Its the people in the USDA that are the "good ol boys" that overlook how the animals are handled and they look the other way to animal abuse cases

buts thats another argument.

All of you metropolitan types, who hardly even have a basic understanding of where your food comes from, need to have a little more respect for the people who grow your food.

I have complete respect for them, its how they treat the animals I have a problem with. Why would you keep pigs and cows in little pens where they cannot move around only to give you pleasure whenever YOU feel hungry. Its wrong.

but again thats another topic.

So have a little more respect and compassion for the "sh1t kicking, pig f@cking" farmers out there, to reference "Sickofthis"'s post.

I simply cannot be ok with ignorance.

B. Said:

It was just a damn dog.

Thats the thinking that makes me enraged. Why is it "just a dog"? Why is that card only pulled when animals are brought up? Cant you people just sit there and think of how rediculous this dogs death was instead of trying to justify it in some stupid way by saying that its "just a dog"? Whats wrong with you people?

Its not ok to be dumb. Its not ok to decapitate anything. Its not ok to chainsaw a dog. Period.

Hey IGMO Indy, I have a love of all animals; however I hold the utmost respect and mutual love for the dogs WE domesticated to be our companions. They are not just a dog. They are family members and loved by humans everywhere. Your repeated arguments just show how ignorant you are. The dog with her poor head chopped off was their pet for 9 years. PET. The article did not say the dog attacked and went wild on the child. This man has the same brain capacity that you do and wanted to show that dog who was boss - right then and there PERIOD.

Shut up sick of this! I have 2 dogs and 3 cats and believe me they are spoiled rotten but if one of them bit a child I would probably take the dog out myself. I don't own a chain saw but we do have a gun. Just because I was raised on a farm (where your food comes from jack a--)that does not make me stupid or any less caring and loving towards my animals. I had a lab that bit my son a few years back and the next am we were back at the clinic where we got the dog and she was euthanized before lunch that day. If we had been on the farm she would have been shot. Like I said before it was a dog not another human. If it's not ok to be dumb what is your excuse?

Key phrase is you took her to a click to be euthanized, you didn't try to slit her throat. If you are going to make a comparison, they should at least have something in common.

b elaborate the lab bit your son... how many times ? what caused the bite?

No one here in their right mind is claiming that the dogs life is more valuable than a humans. Just that people need to understand that if it is against the law in your state to put the animal down yourself then it needs to be taken to the shelter and let the shelter decide its fate.

My God, Sandra, did you even READ the article??

The dog BIT the young girl. (PERIOD- As you say) So yes, the animal "went wild and attacked" the girl. Stop posting things that are inherently contradictory. If you want me to respect your view, make sure you have a solid argument.

Besides, I'll SAY IT AGAIN......I'm not advocating the right to torture animals, but 8 years for the particular crime (no matter his previous record) is way too harsh. THAT was my primary point in ALL of my posts!!

You people cannot seem to rationalize virtually ANYTHING!!

You are the one with the reading problem. It does not say anywhere that the dog went wild and attacked. There are so very many references to why a dog, (9 year old pet) might bite. Even eric0038 has articulated so eloquently throughout this post along with so many others. He claims he in a Veterinary student, but his logic does not a high IQ. It is just that LOGIC. Did you take time to read them and digest the concepts presented to you? This man went crazy and wanted his dog dead. He has very serious drug charges, (convictions - METH) and he was going to end this dog's life right there and show that dog who is boss. I believe it was a horrible thing to do.

Oh and there is a reason he was not allowed to have a gun. He is a convicted felon. If they thought he would be running around with a chain saw, that would have been on the list of no no's for the lunitic. I don't care where he lives, he did a sick and wrong thing.

Even eric0038 has articulated so eloquently throughout this post along with so many others. He claims he in a Veterinary student, but his logic does not a high IQ. It is just that LOGIC.

lol....um, thanks?

learn to read, he got 8 years cause of his criminal history.

Learn to stop sticking your fingers in your pits and sniffing them, assmunch. Can't have an adult discussion can you? So there you go Newsvine trash.

Mike, it is like the third strike law in Alabama. No matter what you do, if it is considered a felony you will do life. For instance, if you have 2 priors and you shop lift, even if it is only worth 5.00, you can do a mandatory 10 years. Excessive, but it has caused the crime rate in the state to drop. The guy had priors and bam 3rd strike. have to do the mandatory time.

The dog bit an innocent child idiot!

And that justifies taking off his head with a chainsaw?

And that justifies taking off his head with a chainsaw

Sure does if that is the only tool at hand, there is not a dog in this world that is worth the life of any child. People are going to far giving animals human rights. 18 months would have been to long. He tried to kill it first with a knife, should have just used a hammer. I would not hesitate to kill a dog who bites a kid. I am a mother and a dog owner.

The dog bit someone, it needed to be put down or it will bite someone else and in this case especially since it was a pitbull. The guy should not of taken matters into his own hands and that is primarily the reason why he is getting hammered by the law.

'it bit a child' so it has to die? give me a break. the bite wasn't even bad enough to require any trip to the hospital, apparently, or the doctor. dogs bite- sometimes on accident, sometimes on purpose. it is no guarantee that it would bite again. and even if it did, that does not justify the extreme cruelty that was visited upon this dog. unionmule1 brags of being 'a mother and a dog owner' but believes a biting dog should have it's head beaten in with a hammer? for real? hmm, how long til Child Services or Animal Control is investigating you for cruelty? not long I bet, but probably not soon enough. not before your kid turns into a 13 year old vandal, thief, truant? the ignorant are always the first to scream that they have the right to be ignorant

allie22 are you going to let that pit bull around your kids? A dog bites a child yes it has to die. The fact so many are saying this guy is predisposed to murdering a person because he put a bad dog down is just f#cking stupid. I think they should have given you that stupid dog so it could bite you or one of the kids in your family and you seem to be screaming pretty good so what does that make you? Perfect. Right. I can't stand know- it- alls like you.

sickofthistake a fu#$in chill pill! Why be so hateful? Calling people idiot and pig fuc*in? What the hell gives your illiterate ass the right to talk such @!$%#? da doc I loved your post! MR2KUHL I could not agree more!

If I get sick with cancer I hope someone takes me out, with a chainsaw, a gun, or whatever is handy. No where in the article does it say the guy was strung out on anything. States he was a meth user. Get it? was is past tense. Casey the kid was 9 years old not the dog, idiot. How would you know if the kid is a brat or the guy is scum? Guess you like to pretend to be God and pass judgment on people you don't even know. For the folks that keep insisting this guy is going to become a serial killer STOP! One animal put down does not make a serial killer! cyonwolf the lab that bit my son had a history of lashing out and he just held my sons arm with out lashing about.

b.-784172, I agree that sickofthis was getting quite offensive and extreme in his/her remarks, and I sympathize greatly with what happened to your son - believe me. However, it is also clear to me that you know very little about dogs. Animals are not mindless automatons that follow a preset behavior pattern and cannot change. If that is the opinion that you hold, then I feel sorry for you. Open your mind and learn a thing or two about animals. If it is your opinion that sickofthis is guilty of posting knee-jerk responses with little value, then I am sorry to say it - but so are you.

This is only over the internet, I can get way more extreme if you like. If no one will speak up for those who cant speak for themselves then I sure as @!$%# will.

Speaking of illiterate and being a complete brainless idiot..... b. ( whoever the redneck is behind the computer)..... you take the cake.

Sorry sickofthis, I didn't mean "extreme" as in your views are (since I agree with them) but that you were letting the emotional level of your posts soar pretty high. Just like b was, actually. Although I can understand why b holds the position that he/she does - it's often the position that people who have literally zero understanding of animals will take. I have to deal with people like that every day it seems. I wish they would just not own any pets and do the world and people like me a favor since they don't take care of them properly.

But when emotions soar, it often dimishes the message that you want to get across and puts your opponent in the debate (like b) on the defensive.

when emotions soar, it often dimishes the message that you want to get across and puts your opponent in the debate (like b) on the defensive.

I actually completly agree with you. I just go into these things expecting to hear people scream "ANIMAL LOVER" or "PUSSY PETA FAG" or something because these people cannot seem to grasp the concept that slitting a throat of any living thing is absolutly barbaric. Not only just that, but then he used a chainsaw. After all of THAT...... then I have to keep hearing these ladies in here scream "THE CHILLDDD THE PRECCIIOUUSSS CHIILLDDDD" yes they are precious but damn comeon, it hardly hurt the kid. All the Oprah women are getting on my nerves.....anyway, I have pets and I love them to death, to think of my dog getting his throat slit and all the gurgling of blood and yelping and stuff like that would make me want to put a bullet in the brain of whoever is doing it.

Please excuse my over-the-top posts.....I know they are outrageous, I know, but im outnumbered here, and I dont go down without a fight.

No the point is the guy shouldn't have taken matters into his own hands.

MR2KUHL thinks it's okay to make a bad hack-job attempt to kill it with a knife, though. great, I feel so much better now

ya what MRKUHL said!

what's wrong with this picture is you can't comprehend something you read five minutes ago. he got 8 cause of his criminal history. 18 months is the norm for this crime.

What's wrong with the picture is how you've drawn it.

YOU CALL ANIMAL CONTROL. YOU PUT THE ANIMAL DOWN HUMANELY, NOT WITH A CHAIN SAW.

Heeeeloooooo!!!! What's wrong with you?????????

I'd also like to add that because the owner was such a creep, he most likely created the vicious temperment the dog had in the first place through mistreatment. THAT'S WHY THE KID GOT BITTEN.

THE DOG WAS INNOCENT. Stop blaming the victim.

If the dog was vicious - it shouldn't have been allowed at the the BBQ

JesusRules when you were there that day can you tell us exactly how this happened. I ask cause you are saying it as though you knew the guy and exactly how this happened. What he did was wrong and inhumane yes. But the dog bit a kid and he reacted. Jail cause of his history sure. 8 years is extreme. And since you know him so well to know hes a creep and deserves this I just am wondering what you saw that day with how you are judging. Irony in your name while judging another human on something that happened that you were not there for and are only reading a news article on that also says the dog bit a kid. Could have sworn there was something about judging others in the bible but not sure. Can you fill us in on that part jesusRules?

@ Laosmissions..ARE YOU FOR REAL!? How do you know that little girl was "sweet?!" She could be a terror who baited the dog for whatever reason. As I mentioned above in response to another idiot...this was a 9 year old dog, so clearly to have lived that long in this hellish environment he probably never bit anyone before. So something doesn't add up, and everyone is just so quick to ASS U ME the girl was the innocent party.

I know my dogs, and if they bit someone there would be a good reason, and that person better get off my porch. I hope this scum and the brat get what they deserve and that Thor has finally found some peace.

CaseyM, the girl that was bitten was 9 years old, not the dog. The article we're commenting on is very vague, and no where in the article is the dog's age given. The article does not say that this was the first time the dog had bitten someone. People need to stop creating convenient facts to defend a dog they've never met and know nothing about.

I've known at least 2 dogs who were very nice to children, until the kids started running or jumped on a bicycle... then they'd chase them as if it was a game. Sometimes, the dog would play too hard and bite the kid. It's possible that happened here. We don't know because the article is short on facts.

If my 9 year old had been bitten by a pit bull, I would have killed the dog on the spot. I wouldn't have used a chain saw, but that's no guarantee the method I used would have been more humane that a chain saw... just less messy.

The article implies the guy severely injured the dog with a knife and used the chainsaw to end the dog's suffering. A chain saw is loud and messy, but it surely ended the dog's suffering quickly, just like a gun would have. I guess if the guy had let the dog suffer until it died, you'd all be okay with that. Actually, had he done that, no one would even know about the story.

Surely most people would have no problem with him using a gun. But discharging a firearm is a very serious offense in many areas. For all we know, many patrons at his house had a gun but this guy couldn't risk having a firearm discharged on his property.

I'm guessing that because we know this guy used meth/other drugs and served time, that he's officially a POS. Okay, go ahead with your pre-judgements. All I know is if a dog bites a 9 year old at a party, and a man with a clean record kills the dog with a gun, very few people here will have a problem with it.

The outrage is use of the chain saw by a meth freak. I say, I'm glad the meth freak did something to protect the children from a vicious dog and keep the dog from suffering after stabbing it. Sorry no one else has the patience to see it this way. Go ahead and continue with your fact-free crucifixion. Don't be afraid to make up facts to justify the unjustifiable.

Okay, I went my past my edit time and now I have to make a correction. If my 9 year old had been bitten by a pit bull at a party, I would NOT have killed the dog on the spot. But it's possible I would have sought to have the police put the dog down. It's possible that the hospital treating my daughter would have filed a complaint (depending on jurisdiction).

In this case, the owner acted proactively to assure the parents of the hurt child that this dog was never going to harm another child again. And that's why the parents refused to report the dog bite when asked by police if they wanted to file. To them, the owner took responsibility.

I honestly believe the only reason the chain saw came into play was because our meth freak POS saw it as the quickest way to end the dog's suffering. I won't crucify him for that, but apparently, most of you will.

I honestly believe the only reason the chain saw came into play was because our meth freak POS saw it as the quickest way to end the dog's suffering. I won't crucify him for that, but apparently, most of you will.

Well if you get cancer or some terrible disease then we know to go ahead and grab a chainsaw to end your suffering.

sickofthis you are so darn thoughtful!

all serial killers started out by torturing animals. bundy, berkowitz, dahmer.... the list goes on and on. they don't respect life and eventually killing an animal is no longer a thrill. i hope this guy or some other past animal abuser and current murderer visits someone in your family cause life is life whether it's a human or an animal. since you don't respect animal's lives i don't respect yours.

hey anthony....you and vick should both be hung by your nads, waste of space on this earth

@hatr

Yes most serial killers did go and kill animals. And they did it over and over and moved on to people. TO compare that to a person that killed 1 animal after it bit a kid is total misjudgment and shows the problem with society. Kill a human and get a few years. Kill a dog and 8 mandatory. Something is wrong here. I missed the part that said this guy was going around killing animals. I read he killed a dog after it bit a kid. Inhumane yes, jail deserved yes. comparisons to a serial killer? really?

I don't see how you can compare this to Vick. This dog bit a little girl and they needed to put it down. Where does the story say he 'got a thrill' out of it? Where does it say he did it for the fun of it? If he shot the dog, this would be a non-story. It happens ALOT if a dog needs to be put down. Anyone see Old Yeller? To say that this guy is an animal abuser is a little bit of a stretch. Save that title for the guys like Vick or the guys who torture animals.

Amen sleepy bear!!

Can no one here actually read? The man got 8 years mandatory due to his prior convictions, otherwise he would have received 18 months. Please try and read ALL the words, even the big ones, before attempting to contribute to the discussion.

Anthony, come on buddy. Who are you defending here? I have 3 boxers. Not one of them has ever even thought of biting a person. However I have witnessed the maniacal kids that live next door tease these 3 over and over with delight including cornering one and shooting him with an air soft gun. It is all I can do to keep from punching these future convicts lights out. If my dogs ever defended themselves and fought back I wouldn't blame them one bit. I know what they have been exposed to. I guarantee there was no reason to kill a dog over a bite.

Todd, another perfect example. I agree with you completely. I can't believe the people that ASSUME that the dog was vicious and not just protecting itself. It was a 9 year old pet for heavens sake. It might have been startled. The child may have pulled it 's tail, but to kill it in the manner that this man did. Maybe it was just a scratch on the girl. This guy was/is a Meth Head.

Sandra, not trying to start yet another fight, but, where in that aricle did it say that the dog was 9 years old?? I have read it three times, and all I can see about a 9 year old is the one the dog attacked. And while I am at it, I have noticed that you have a tendancy to lean toward the animals, no matter what, and that you are ACTUALLY saying that the dog was defending itself against the ACTUAL 9 year old. I find that appalling. I think that the 9 year old was probably trying to play, and the owners of said dog are more to blame. I am an animal advocate, but I am one of the people who believe that if a dog starts biting for no apparent reason, it should either go to a troubled animal home, or be put down. Especially a pit. And, before you start saying I know nothing of pits, I do. I have 2 of them. And if either one had ever come towards one of my kids viciously, he would be on his way to a home, or dead. And if I couldn't shoot it, I would naturally do the next best thing. I would not use a chainsaw, but I would end it NOW. Sorry, that is how it works. I feed you and take care of them, so do my kids, and they better appreciate that. Which they do, BTW. They are awesome dogs, and I pity the person who messes with my kids when Sid and Beeker are around. They will not be happy for long.

Point:
It is better that the owner took responsibilities for the dog, rather than ignore the facts and let it happen again, which, in my experience, it would have. Once a dog starts to bite, then it needs to be dealt with or it WILL do it again. JMPO.

human killers start out with animals.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/425882/the_link_between_animal_abuse_and_serial.html?cat=17

wow how many times are people going to compare this to killing humans. Read what you are saying. Killers go and kill animals over and over for a thrill. This was a reaction and a 1 time instance after the dog bit someone. This has gone from the story to people comparing this guy to a serial killer over a single instance of completely bad judgment. But again I will say I missed the part that said this guy was going and killing animals for a thrill

How about the part that said it was his dog that bit the girl? And that he was facing legal ramifications for his dog biting a child... so he killed it instead. At first, in front of witnesses, he tried a knife, it didn't work (time is passing.....plenty of time to "cool off".....)he retrieves a chainsaw and proceeds to decapitate the dog.

What kind of person is he when his wife "disobeys" or his kid brings home a bad grade? Is he going to respond with a machete?

jr, this is a pitbull we're talking about. Pitbulls are unpredictable. The dog bit once it will bite again. Your comparisons are way out in left field. What the hell are you thinking?

Fact of the matter is, I know someone who was convicted for robbery, she got 8 years for the robbery, however her dog attacked one of the officers during her arrest. Because she didn't call the dog off the officer, and the dog had never attacked anyone before, she got an additional 22 years tacked on to her sentence for assault on a police officer because of the dog.

So chew on that for awhile, while you're going "Oh poor dog but it only bit a little girl, what's the big deal?"

Robert Karp, you mental midget. Did I say "what's the big deal?" I said "a chainsaw was an inappropriate response."

then you are not what you say you are.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/425882/the_link_between_animal_abuse_and_serial.html?cat=17

yea hatr the story totally said that he was going and killing animals for a thrill. If that were the case what you said may be correct. its not. he killed an animal after it bit someone in an isolated instance. Method and cruelty aside your comparison fails. He was not out looking for animals to kill for a thrill. But don't let your emotions get in the way of the facts now!!!

You can tell us "without a doubt?" Have you EVER INTERVIEWED THIS MAN? The value of your medical opinion just went down the crapper, dude.

What garbage. get off of newsvine.

Well, you're a pretty sh|tty therapist if you think you can make an absolute jugement on a person you've never met.

I come from a family that hunts, we've killed animals. No one in my family has ever killed a person.

What the therapist is implying is that just because the guy killed an animal does not mean he's inclined to kill somebody.

I come from a family that hunts, we've killed animals. No one in my family has ever killed a person

Do you hunt with chainsaws? And congrats on murdering the animals, are you a big man now? Do you feel the power flowing through your veins?

Gina, you're oblivious. The dog needed to be put down it was unfit to be around people. That guy was wrong for his methods and for taking the law into his own hands, however the reason for his taking the dog out were correct.

Dear GOD. YOU TRAIN THEM TO BE VIOLENT. they are not BORN violent. idiot.

They may not be born violent, but they do play rough. The bite may not have been an attack... it may have been play time that went wrong. It does happen.

Thank you Terry-818744

You're right. He's getting hammered because he took the law into his own hands.

No he does not!

Okay. So your solution to any crime, if a man commits it, is castration?

Animal Cruelty = Castration ?????

What if a woman did it? Should her boobs be cut off? Do you see how utterly stupid your post is? This is why men are in charge. Women are too emotional and erratic. It's probably your periods or something.

If mean blame women's intense feelings on hormones, does that mean women should blame men's intense feelings on stupidity?

What? Oh, you meant "men" not "mean". Boy, it's a good thing that a man caught that error or you could have looked really stupid.

ok then, here's a deal. you eat the dead dog and we'll let him out. deal?

Rob, dont listen to ignornat rednecks that make lighthearted humor out of this, your absolutly right. They deserve the same or worse punishment,

Sickofthis123 . seems to be the type of person that would support life in prison for killing an animal and 3-4 years for killing a human.

I am totally against cruelty to animals. If an animal needs to be put down, it should be done in a manner befitting human dignity, without cruelty. In this case, the SPCA, police, local fire house, or even ghost busters should have been called. Indeed, this is OVERKILL. Can you imagine just how messy this was? Who would even want to put down an animal by that means? I think it goes to show just how disturbed this person is, and what a lack of human dignity he has, along with absolutly no self respect. He could have stood up for the child that had supposedly been bitten, and shown her an example of how such a situation should be handled. Instead, he went off the deep end, acted like a psycho.

Having said that, I do think tha 8-years is not reasonable for the crime (and I do believe that it is a crime), even if he is a repeat offender with a record. I hate to think of my tax dollars going to feed and house such a dirt bag. I think after serving his 18-months, that he should be on PAROLE for the remainder of the 8-year sentence, with LOTS of community service. Possibly cleaning out dog kennels, horse stalls, and cleaning up trash along the highway. But most importantly he needs THERAPY and COUNSELING, and it should be mandatory for someone like him to get some treatment. Being in prison for 8-years is not going to 'teach him a lesson', it will just teach him how to be MEAN. Of course there are those who I hope NEVER see the light of day outside of prison walls, while others need to be helped to become productive citizens. Everyone has an opinion

What are you trying to make me look bad Truett? truettCollins is the type of person who would cut a dog alive with a chainsaw if it even looked at him wrong.

Really...I do volunteer work at an animal rescue center.....but I still understand the difference in an animal and a human....I get upset at people getting 8-10 years for abuse of an animal, while people who abuse children or kill people get 4-8.

no one is arguing that Killing or abusing a child isn't bad...

Really...I do volunteer work at an animal rescue center.....but I still understand the difference in an animal and a human....I get upset at people getting 8-10 years for abuse of an animal, while people who abuse children or kill people get 4-8.

Sure you do. I understand the difference bewteen a human and an animal too, we are biologically different, yes you are correct, so whats your point? I think the punishment should be the same for human and non human. The point is not to cause pain or suffering to any living thing unless it truly DESERVES it. Like this guy, he has proven that he is unfit to live with us civilized people. If you must put a dog down, do the injection method. Thats why they exsist, for him to use a chainsaw he is simply living out a fantasy that he has always had. For me, that makes him inhuman, and I wouldnt bat an eye if he gets brutally murdered.

Hey, I love dogs but not with ketchup, I like a little hot sauce.

Hey, I love dogs but not with ketchup, I like a little hot sauce.

Most Chinks do.