The word on another news thread said that the shooter was upset about the treatment given his mother.

And another site reported he was threatening to kill his mother.

That's because she lived and he didn't get the inheritance yet!

Ah. I posted when it was still breaking...thanks guys!

They have the suspect confined to a certain section of the 8th floor Nelson unit. Reports says- unconfirmed- that the guy was visiting his Mother, was unhappy with her results/care and shot a doctor. The doctor does not have life threatening injuries.

They have the suspect confined to a squad car now.

The police shot and killed the suspect. Waiting for the police to give the updated police report. Not in a car but in the room at the hospital.

Oh yeah?

I heard they "captured" him.

Not very impressive if they had to kill him to "capture" him.

He's not in a room and he's not in a squad car. Thanks to the great men and women of the BCPD, he's in the back of the morgue wagon.

Latest news is suspect killed himself and his mother in the hospital room where she was recovering.

Can't they just take him downstairs?

I'm sure they have a morgue on site.

I like the quote, "We're good at these kind of things, and we're confident that we're going to get this situation resolved very soon," Guglielmi said. - What exactly does that mean?

The guy's intention was to kill his mother (mission accomplished) and then the police shot him. He had no other intentions. Good at what? Watching it all happen? I'm not saying they could have done much, but to say they are good at these kinds of things is... laughable?

sounds like the episode of Grey's Anatomy

The latest report said that the shooter killed a relative and himself. Didn't say if the relative was his mother. If it was, he couldn't have been very upset about her condition, unless he didn't want to get saddled taking care of her.

@Texana Deb: The shooter was 50, so his mother was probably 65-75. My first thought was that the shooter was looking at having to take care of an invalid for the rest of her life. That is not only a huge job, it is a very emotional one when it's your parent. That one thought may have been what sent him over the edge.

It doesn't excuse anything, but stranger things have happened. There are murder/suicides fairly regularly where one spouse is caring for the other and simply can't do it any longer. My heart goes out to everyone involved in this case.

He obviously had this all worked out because he was carrying- what I do not understand

is why the hospital does not check for these things before anyone enters the hopital like they

do in Israel? It certainly would save a lot of trouble.

Marsha, this could happen in a candy store, too. Are we supposed to check people for weapons on every street corner? We have freedoms here; yes, there's a price for that, but most people still want those freedoms. We aren't really all that into the idea of treating our city streets and buildings like prison wards.

I do not think having a check is like prison and it certainly helps keeping you alive so that

you can be free.

It is a little off topic but this article seems chock full of HIPAA violations committed by the Hospital staff.

First of all, he shot himself, the police didn't shoot him. But you really think that if a man, in a large public hospital (in a wing that is pretty much adjacent to the childrens center none the less) gets upset, shoots a doctor and then barricades himself inside a patients room with a gun, he wouldn't end up being shot? Don't most people who shoot people and then hold a hostage in a place like a hospital wing end up getting shot by the police for the safety of everyone involved? Especially since some of the people involved were patients confined to hospital beds who probably couldn't have been helped by the proper code teams if they had heart attack of similar emergency, because the unit was on lockdown.

Maybe she requested of him: "If I ever get that bad off, just put a bullet in me" That's what I think I would want rather than to live like that for years - except that I would be more concerned about the well being of my family or friends than to ask one of them to it. Maybe he felt the Dr was to blame for her condition? We can't really know at least not from what the information in the news will tell us.

wow , i can't belive anyone would really say something so hateful. It's a sad situation all the way aroung. Dr.'s practice medicine. They are not perfect. don't look at them and treat them like they are. Take personal responsibility and ask questions, and get involved in your health up keep. When my mom was in the hospital we were with her 24/7 we keep some bad things from happening because we were involved. I just think you shouldn't praise anyone for violence.

The report that the doctor paralyzed his mother came from an employee of the coffee shop in the main lobby. Get real.

Latest update: He shot the doctor, holed up in his mother's room, then shot her and himself. The employee of the coffee shop supposedly got her information from employees on the floor where the doctor was shot. They've deleted the statement about the mother being paralyzed. Like most emergencies, lots of rumors, facts will come later, bit by bit.

Just another fine day in gun paradise.

Was it a hunting rifle or a handgun? If it was a handgun and he had a permit, at least he was a trained and responsible gun owner, right?

But noooooo, it's ok...everybody should have a gun.

One fruitcake radio-talk-show-host in our area even advocates guns in the classrooms....

So much for security! Start treating hospitals like airports.

That's the ironic part.

Hopkins has more security than any hospital I've ever seen.

I worked there several years ago, and there were armed security guards every few hundred feet.

Metal detectors at all major entrances should be standard procedure for all hospitals in this day and age.

And Hopkins can afford it - they're the largest private employer in the state of Maryland.

hadenuff-1173496 Are you serious? Thanks to the great men and women of the bcpd. What the hell did they do? Nothing. Showed up and stood around maybe. Hell the man killed himself. What a joke.

I suppose if you're going to get shot, inside the best hospital in the country would be a good spot.

U. Maryland's Shock/Trauma unit, also located in Baltimore, is considered the best hospital in the country for management of trauma -particularly GSW's

To The Angry Guy~

"Well, there are worse places to be shot in than Johns Hopkins."

Why be so glib about something as serious as a shooting? If it were your family or doctor that got shot, you would be appalled at someone who made such a callous remark. Please have some respect.

Lighten up, Pussycat.

He was shot at one of the best hospitals in the world. That's all Angry Guy means. If you're going to be shot, that's the place to be shot. And it sounds like he's going to be OK, partly because they were able to rush him straight to the operating room.

And I'll bet if you asked the victim, he'd say the same thing.

I would hate to be shot in the Johns Hopkins...even though I'm not sure what part of the body that is.

I think it's right between "the smokehouse" and "the engine room".

If you had your insurance card perhaps. Otherwise you might as well be shot in an alley.

Ya I cant get shot at a hospital, no way i could afford it. Id have to ask someone not on the staff to drag me to my car

Thank God for Gun Free Zones! As everyone can see, they really work.

re: comment by plol125:

Since the doctor was presumably an employee of Johns Hopkins, whether he had health insurance (most likely) or not wouldn't much matter in this case...anytime an employee is hurt on the job, the initial - and hopefully all of - the medical treatment is the responsibility of the employer. In this case, it happened to be the hospital, which was somewhat convenient and expedient.

In all other cases, if Johns Hopkins was the closest hospital to that alley one could be hypothetically shot in, that's probably the ER you're going to. You might get transferred to the nearest University hospital as soon as you're stabilized, and the bills will ultimately haunt you until you're bankrupt or dead, but you WILL at least get emergency treatment at the nearest ER. All of the many appointments, operations, and therapy that may be needed beyond that will ultimately depend largely on whether you or someone on your behalf can pay for them.

If you don't have insurance, or what you have isn't very good, it is probably a wise decision to avoid spending time in dark alleys you don't absolutely have to be in, not wearing seatbelts, smoking, participating in 'extreme' sports, and taking other unreasonable risks.

Something to think about...

This happened at the physicians place of employment....workmen's comp would be his primary insurance, if in fact he was/is an employee of the hospital....... health insurance would be secondary. Health insurance would only kick in if workmen's comp coverage is exhausted.

And in related news, the Dr had to take a mandatory urine test for drugs (workplace injury). He subsequently failed, and has been refused further medical treatment. He is also being billed for all interim medical care received. When he recovers consciousness he will be summarily terminated.

(complete fiction, in case you were wondering)

@jr 700062

lmao you make this sound like that House episode

In all seriousness, my heart goes out to everyone that this terrible tragedy has hurt.

I didn't see that one before Tyler deleted it. Sounds like that is a good thing to NOT see it.

Absolutely correct, frustrated one. The problem with 'no one has any reason to endanger the lives of...' is that people who do that are not reasonable. The rights of others mean little or nothing to sociopaths that injure or kill other people.

Sounds like he had coping issues. Maybe still a momma's boy. we have a lot of that in this country. He so much for being in touch with your feelings. Still I could be wrong.

again... the report that the doctor "paralyzed his mother" came from the main lobby's coffee shop worker. shut up.

dam tired of this --

Apparently you have suffered the loss of loved ones under either questionable or outright negligent circumstances. While it's nearly impossible to get over such things, I hope you are getting help and support. The actions of a few sometimes make us blind to the good done by the rest.

It isn't that often that a shooting of a medical doctor occurs in a hospital because the shooter is upset about the medical treatment given his mother, and is holding a hostage.

Quote from this article:

The Sun was monitoring radio traffic on the event, with one officer apparently saying that the man is "inside the building with his mother and he wants to kill him mom."

It's almost like the season finale of Grey's Anatomy.

Grasshopper, your lack of wisdom shows you are not worthy of the Shaolin. You go, no more pebble snatching chances...........Wah Lum Kung Fu.

Why "Breaking News"?

When Americans get shot in everyday routine manner, i.e, on the street, your home, nightclubs, bars or at a picnic, it will be LOCAL Breaking News. No biggie!

Getting shot in a business environment - it's NATIONAL Breaking News!

Get it now?

Well because JHH has been the top hospital in the WORLD for the last 20 years; houses more then 1000 patient beds and employs over 30,000 people. It is one of the LARGEST research hospitals and teaching centers in the world as well.

Hopkins has some mighty heavy security. I had to go there a few years ago for blood treatments, and they check bags, and I might have had to go through a metal detector. This guy had some issues.

The worst part of Hopkins is that you have to go through the dregs of Baltimore to get there.

You mean like Dundalk?

No- there are some really unhappy streets leading up to the hospital- North Caroline Street, Orleans Street, Central, always makes me nervous to have to stop at the light at N. Caroline and Orleans Sts.; McElderry too. There is a beautiful school building at the McElderry light- looks like a castle. But it has bars on the windows. I think it is Dunbar Middle School. Great architecture.

Dundalk gets a BAD rap. Some terrific people live there; devoted to their families and community. But that is another subject.

So sorry to have things end this way for that patient, the suspect, the doctor, and the hospital staff who have clearly a traumatic day to remember. Such a shame.

because its a real life grey's anatomy finale.

Networks are desperate for news?

Doctors should not have to go to work in fear of their lives. What a sad state of affairs.

Violence is getting a lot more common in hospitals. There are armed security in most emergency rooms now. It is not only people like this guy that are "upset" about care of a loved one (supposedly). One gang member gets shot, others come looking for him and nurses, doctors, and patients are endangered. Kind of messes up your chances to get good medical care doesn't it.

In 1974, my husband was in the hospital at Andrews AFB with an unusual kidney issue. They called in specialists from Walter Reed and Johns Hopkins, as well as doctors from Andrews. Even back then they were considered one of the best hospitals in the world. Thanks to the combined efforts of those doctors, my husband is fine today.

It's free advertising for the hospital... that's why it's national news.

I don't think Hopkins needs free advertising. What we do need is to not worry about getting shot at work, or the best and brightest doctors, nurses, researchers, etc. are going to stop coming here pretty fast. This is not the first time a Hopkins employee has been shot while on the hospital campus... makes me feel really good about driving into work. Especially considering some people on this board think it's funny, or not a big deal, that my friends and coworkers were traumatized today while they came into work to help your loved ones recover from illness or injury. I mean I've had family members of patients take out their anger on me before, and I can handle that to an extent, but if people are starting to escalate their sense of entitlement, or whatever it is, that makes them think that they are above whatever is happening to them or their family that they are going to shoot the very people who are trying to help them... then maybe I need a new profession.

Agreed Eleanor. Trying to get in can take some time if it is not an emergency so being the top hospital in the nations and often in the world is NOT a facility that needs "free press". Eleanor I have been a patient there and really appreciate the people who helped me-like you and your friends and colleagues. THANKS!!

The real problem here is not political or anything else but the lack of appreciation of the value of life. I had a doctor yell at me for seeking a JHH second opinion actually said "How Dare you question my judgement". My reply was that I paid HIM not the other way around that if he had a problem with me asking questions there was a far greater issue at hand- and I changed doctors. So did three other patients who heard his rant. Hurting him never entered my mind.

Why "Breaking News"?

If Lindsay Lohan can be breaking news, I certainly think a doctor shot in the hospital would qualify.

ain't that the truth.

I know. I mean if you really want to make a statement, one doctor down just does not get the adrenalin going.

Maybe Terry Jones can come out and talk him down.

Welcome to the crowded rat syndrome. As our society grows and becomes ever more densely populated in urban environs, this behavior will continue to increase. A tiny percentage of the population are not mentally stable. As the numbers go up, there is an associated increase in these unstable people. As crowding gets worse the percentage will increase. As our personal space decreases, we will be that much more prone to attacking those near us and to be less aware/caring of those around us. Something goes wrong? Lash out and make 'them' pay. This is happening all around the world and will continue to get worse.

Hate to throw cold water on your theory there, but I find it odd that Japan, one of the most crowded megalopoli on the planet, has an extremely low crime rate.

And an extremely high suicide rate! The herd will find a way to cull itsself!

Where would you like the list to start?

Let's start with the closed minds

The crime rate is so low in Japan due to the culture in which most Japanese are raised. In this country we have a socio-economic class that has abandoned any pretense of being a self-determined, responsibility-accepting productive citizen, so we get welfare mothers with 5 kids from 3 different dads who doesn't even bother to try to raise them well, inner city thugs who have no morals (and thus no worth to society) but have no problem accepting any help that others give and an uneducated lower class who doesn't even know what they are voting about, much less informed about the issues

I think we need to go to only educated people being able to vote...if u are so worthless as to drop out of school or so unintelligent as to be unable to finish...you don't deserve to vote

Or we could fix the education system and do something about the crushing poverty rate in our country. Stop voting for the guy that tells you the education system is fine and the people who are not getting an education are just losers anyway so why should we care if they get an education...well this is why we should care, because those people are our neighbors, they vote, and if they get angry, they may just use their 2nd amendment rights to blow your brains out because you don't care that they can't get a decent education and they live in poverty.

If they are angry and 'use their 2nd amendment rights to blow your brains out because you don't care that they can't get a decent education and they live in poverty' will that then give them an education or get them out of poverty? Will they all of a sudden have common sense?

All of this is getting off topic. This individual (the shooter) obviously has/had some issues. If we want to be really creative, maybe he was in witness protection, and when he found out his mother would be an invalid, he realized he wouldn't be able to care for her, and she also wouldn't be able to hide from whomever *he* was hiding from, so it was better to just shoot her, then take his own life.

Seriously people. Debate the education and welfare systems!! On education and welfare-related stories!!

really toldin ? Now just so i'm clear, are these worthless people born that way or do you suppose they are made that way ? If you look at history as a teller for the future you could poosible see what your saying is a way to turn things back over to the aristocrats and make "slaves" of the poor people with poor ways. You can't possible be an educated person to have made such a statement.

toldin can recite all of the stereotypes, just has no concept of reality.

If someone you care about got shot, regardless where it happened, you would be offended by your own comment. This is not the time to be "funny". You are very insensitive & disrespectful to the victim. Shame on you.

My my pussycat, how's the view from up there on your soap box?

Blonde Pussycat-

The victim's friggin' dead... not trying to be callous, but sometimes the facts can seem that way. If anybody's talking smack about the Dr then that would seem callous, but to call out the criminal as a criminal is not inappropriate.

Peace to all safe recovery, doc.

You beat me to it. Some of these comments are really sick.

Ditto!

Sadly they are not only sick, but typical. Some people have lost the ability to show compassion, and think joke time is all of the time.

you will notice more and more of people's inner conflict, soul wounds bubbling to the surface on a wider scale...you can see it in the polarizing angry public discourse in large and small ways across the entire world. As if the pressure from some as yet unknown truth is popping the psychic corks of people like a hair trigger. be careful out there...stay grounded

No need to take him into custody; he shot himself.

Hopkins does some wonderful work, and they take on the worst cases. (They have a higher than average death rate, because of those desperate cases) 19 years ago, almost to the week, our son (now 27) was there for 10 days for some mighty rare surgery.

There were kids there from all over the US and the world because no one knew what was wrong. Some had been there for months. For the most part a parent was with them the whole time. Hopkins can seem to perform miracles, but there are some things they just can't do.

Taking on the worst cases has a lot to be said for it.

From time to time, the idea of rating physicians and hospitals by their mortality rate gets floated about, presumably the concept being that the lowest death rates equals the best medical care.

One doesn't have to think too far into it to see that if this ever comes to pass, the 'best', or those who aspire to appear that way, will do everything it takes to NOT get stuck with the dire cases. However, they ultimately have to end up under somebody's care or responsibility. The healthcare environment would come to resemble a lot of high schools and colleges in that not-so-good students take a lot of easy electives and receive very respectable Grade Point Averages, while very good students take challenging courses and painstakingly earn the mediocre grades that result. On paper, the grades are very misleading when compared. There's the old saying about smooth seas never making a skillful sailor; would you still want to go to an 'A' rated hospital?

It is well known in the medical community that if you are doing a study, you severely limit the dire or difficult cases because it could skewer your desired results. That in and of itself is not evil, they are trying to help the most people. However, if they ever do rate hospital on mortality, you are absolutely right that hospitals will find ways to not take those trainwrecks that are difficult to treat. And one more point about that, alot of the bad outcomes that make non-medical people crazy has much more to do with personal responsibilty (or lack thereof) for their own health. If you already have multiple health problems -or in this lady's case, she was 84 years old, just what do people think the medical community can do anyway? Unfortunately, we are not in the miracle business. Some situations just don't turn out right. Sometimes the patient doesn't get better and sometimes they die. That is just the way it is. Sorry, don't mean to be callous but unfortunately, we are human and we get sick and we die and there is nothing the best doctors in the world can do about that.

Technically by your "teachings", God is also responsible for "all of this evil". Praise his name when something "blessed" happens. Look for someone else to blame when it all goes to $hit!

Draven,

God may give us trials and temptations, but our reaction is up purely up to us.

Regardless of whether or not you believe in God and/or religion, you can't possibly disagree that a lack of general morals and values are genuinely degrading our society...

Amen.

Politicans are the ones degrading our society... Of course, there is Glen Beck, too.

GeorgiaGal: Absolutely agree with the last part of your statement! My problem is that anytime something like this happens, people wag their fingers and say "Ooooh, that mean old devil's at it again!", and then a blessing comes their way, and God be praised! Guy shoots a doctor, and "Every man has free will!" Seems like a different set of rules for every event.... Why can't man take responsibility for ALL of their actions, instead of picking and choosing dieties for each and every one! Hell! Further up the vine, some guy is claiming to be God/ be sent from God!!! Look what all this hoopla is doing to peoples brains!!!!

This isn't about a lack of morals and values, this is about mental illness and stress. You can bet this isn't this guy's first incident.

And it has nothing to do with politicians. Except maybe some politician's closing the mental hospitals years ago.

But this guy had the right to have a gun!!!

People are by nature, evil, and by having a lack of morals and values, good (usually associated by having some form of belief system such as the Christian God), then the evil shines trough. Just like darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence good. The neat thing about having this forum, you are supposed to be able to express your opinion without getting a ration of crap, but I see that people can't help but lash out at those that they disagree with. Was this man evil....maybe not....but he didn't make a decision that was good.

re: Honey Santana's post #14.6:

'But this guy had the right to have a gun!!!'

Hold on a minute...

One's Second Amendment right(s) are far from absolute, and get very convoluted in a hurry.

If he was convicted of a felony at any time in his adult years (as in, not including any convictions from the juvenile system that have been expunged upon reaching adulthood), he has forfeit that right. The right of the rest of us to not be injured or killed without due process and a fair trial by a jury of our peers supersedes his right to have a deadly weapon. If he had a misdemeanor conviction for domestic abuse, he also would no longer have a legal right to have a firearm and/or any ammunition. If he had been adjudicated as mentally incompetent by a court at some point, no Second Amendment for him. Same if he had been an unlawful addict of narcotics, or if he had ever been dishonorably discharged from the armed forces of the United States. I believe one who has renounced their citizenship also forfeits their right to keep and bear a deadly weapon.

That's on the Federal level.

At the state level, by and large, you can own a firearm if you are an adult citizen in good standing, but possessing it gets somewhat tricky if you leave the house with it. There are definite rules that must be followed as to where you can go with it and how it must be transported. It's one thing to lock your gun, unloaded, in a case, in the trunk of your car and go to a public shooting range or somewhere you're welcome to be with your gun (private property, by invitation or permission). Earning a permit to carry a concealed weapon will generally be required to 'carry' as most people picture it, and in some states, it can be quite a hurdle to some or most people. A lot of those states are out east. I don't know about this guy, but I'm guessing he wasn't licensed to carry a handgun. Considering it was said he was carrying it in his waistband, I'm 99.9% sure he was breaking the law having it with him. Legitimately armed citizens almost always carry their weapon in a holster or some 'organized' method of keeping it secure; waistband carry is almost never done by those who can legally have a gun on them outside the home. Further, license or not, it is illegal to go 'armed with intent', even in the states like Vermont where no permit is issued or needed. If you're looking for a fight, you'd better leave your weapon at home. If someone merely complains that you're looking to meet up with them in a less than civil kind of way, you're going to have a ton of explaining to do when the cops catch up with you. If this guy was carrying his gun with the idea of shooting someone with it, he was breaking the law and thus had NO right to be carrying that gun in any way, shape, or form. Lastly, Johns Hopkins most surely prohibited anyone except law enforcement officers on duty (which, arguably, could be 24/7) from carrying concealed weapons of any kind. It would have force of law being as if you're caught with a weapon, you're escorted out and possibly charged with trespass.

That Second Amendment isn't as simple as many would like to think that it is!

TiGor: I just happen to be in favor of gun control, that's all. The second amendment talks about a militia, and I'll be this guy wasn't a member.

Nothing you say will change my mind, so save your fingers.

Honey-

Baltimore's got one of the most extensive gun control laws in the country, and it didn't do anything to stop this incident.

Honey Santana - that would be President Reagan. He threw many of the mentally ill out of the hospitals- increasing the homeless population horrifically. He did good things too- but this decision was not one of them.

But the present Governor of MD closed down a mental health facility that served three or four counties recently. Now all those really mentally ill people have no place to go or are in skilled nursing facilities and rehab centers- where they really do not belong. The hardest hit were the duel diagnosed patients.

TiGor: word.

Honey Santana,

Thanks for the laugh! I needed a good chuckle.

So, eh, what makes you think I was trying to change your mind, anyway? Since the vast majority of people who post here never look back, it really wouldn't make any sense to do that, would it? My explanation was for the average American citizen who happened along afterwards and read your 'But this guy had the right to have a gun!!!' remark.

I'll never understand why it is, but NOBODY seems to understand the Second Amendment at all. My best guess is that so much has changed in 230 years and history being the loathed subject that it is, no one understands how things once were.

I was waiting for the 'Pro-Gun'/'Pro-Second Amendment' crowd to jump all over me for that post, so the matter-of-fact 'I just happen to be in favor of gun control, that's all' statement came as a bit of a pleasant surprise. We've got plenty of gun control, at least to the extent that laws can regulate the activities of millions of private citizens.

What people seem to forget is that nowhere in the Second Amendment do the words 'firearms' or 'guns' appear, just 'arms'. That's personal weapons with which one could employ to protect themselves with. Not 'ordinance', so there's no right for any of us to have howitzers, explosives, anything nuclear, biological, or chemical. In reality, the Second Amendment covers swords as much as anything.

In old Europe, personal weapons were a status symbol. If you were a commoner, peasant, or anyone else of 'low blood', being in possession of a sword would be like putting on a crown and declaring yourself a knight, prince, or king. Jail or hanging was in your near future if you got caught. The average subject had to make do with ax handles and broomsticks. If you remember the Constitution, Article I, Section 3, clause 8 states 'No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States...'. It's a social class thing. In Europe, royalty got to have all the desirable weapons, everyone else had to cobble together whatever they could. In the US, what's good enough for any citizen in good standing is good enough for any other. That's all.

About that militia, no one understands that, either. Nothing special about it, just that in time of crisis, any citizen was expected to take a stand to defend their neighborhood. It may include arms if need be, but could just as easily be fire buckets, too. Today, if you help in any community volunteer project, like picking up trash or planting trees, you really are being 'the militia'. Being a good witness should a crime occur, reporting a fire, bringing an issue up to your city council person, jury duty, even just voting...those all count. Not as 'exciting' as what everyone things the militia should be, but back then they were hardly ever called up, either!

Don't worry about my fingers falling off, I'm a writer. It's what I do!

About that militia, no one understands that, either.

Hang on there.

I wrote an exhaustive paper about the subject many years ago. Got an A on it too :P

Constitutional scholars generally agree that the Second Ammendment contains two provisions.

First, there is the militia clause. Considering that less than a decade had passed since the end of the Revolution, the Founding Fathers were justifiably worried that the Federal Government would move to disarm the state militias or else incorporate them into a standing army.

Hence, they decided that the Federal government could not disband a state militia without the consent of that State's legislature.

As an aside, the nearly forgotten Third Ammendment states that the Government is not permitted to quarter troops in civilians' homes during peace time.

I honestly doubt there has ever been a suit brought by someone claiming the government violated his/her Third Ammendment rights.

At any rate, the second provision of the Second Ammendment ties into the first provision (an unarmed militia could not fight effectively) but also protects the individual right to keep and bear arms.

As someone pointed out, private citizens may only keep arms that they can bear. That is a built in limitation to the Second Ammendment.

In modern terms, this means that tanks, fighter jets, and powerful explosives are the exclusive domain of the military.

See? It's an answer everyone can live with.

But this guy had the right to have a gun!!!

Maybe, but you can't carry it into Hospitals - and you also don't have the right to shoot people in anger.

Nothing you say will change my mind, so save your fingers.

It's a shame you won't listen to facts.

In reality, the Second Amendment covers swords as much as anything.

Well, sorta. They have that 'in common use' bit now, kinda sucks.

Not as 'exciting' as what everyone things the militia should be

How dare you! I have a bunker all ready to go for when Red invades! Ever seen Red Dawn? That is based on a real Soviet plan! (/sarc)

As someone pointed out, private citizens may only keep arms that they can bear

So if I can figure out a way to carry a Howitzer...

In modern terms, this means that tanks, fighter jets, and powerful explosives are the exclusive domain of the military

Actually, you can buy all of those, they just aren't cheap.

when you put a gun in the hand of a sick person, this is the results. I totaly agree with Ditto. You can see by the response that there are a lot of sick people who think this was a funny thing. I don't suppose any of them has ever wittnessed a fatal shooting or had someone stick a gun in their face or even been a victim of violent crime..Im sure their attitude would change in a heart beat

Don't be so quick to discount the doctor's flubs. I have an aunt that went into a hosp in Columbus, Ohio back in June for routine back surgery. They couldn't go through the backside any more due to prev surgeries, so they went in through the front behind the bowels. The idiot that prepped her and opened her up must have been in a hurry to get it done because he perforated her bowel in the process. My aunt died a day later due to a bad infection that caused periotonitis (however its spelled)

She walked into this hosp and never walked back out. Doctors and the like make these kinds of critical blunders everyday and get away with it, people just don't see it!

We were all left having to see her in a funeral home which should have NEVER happened. Have sympathy for the people that get hurt critically or killed at the hands of medical care providers everyday

As a medical professional (not a doctor) I have to take exception to your statement there, jester99. Just because there is a bad outcome does not mean the doctor or any other person taking care of the patient did something wrong. Medicine is NOT an exact science and there are many variables that can cause something to go wrong and it is not the fault of the doctor. I am so sorry for your loss, but it may have had absolutely nothing to do with the way she was prepped for surgery. You admitted yourself she had so many surgeries that they could not even go in the best route, so you don't know what kind of mess the surgeon found when he got in there. Also, it would be highly unlikely to die from peritonitis in less than a day unless there were multiple other health problems.

This is not to absolve those medical practitioners that make grave mistakes, just to point out that it is not always so cut and dried as you would make it out. Even if this doctor HAD made a mistake, do you really believe he should lose his life over it? Do you think people who work in the health care field WANT to make mistakes? We are all extremely concerned with getting the right diagnosis and trying to make every patient we come in contact with better-and after over 30 years in the field, I can say that 99.9% of the people I have come in contact with in my profession feel this way.

Betty as a sales rep that visits many many hospitals and senior care centers I have to say that the health care professionals are for the most part over worked and under paid and they are some of the unhappiest people you will meet. It is no accident that suicide rates among doctors is high. It is also surprising that given how we operate hospitals that more mistakes are not made.

Jester- then you hire a lawyer not a hit man. Or become a shooter yourself. I am so sorry to hear about your family member. It is a tragedy.

The shooters mother had spinal surgery. Spinal surgery is dangerous. I can tell you that JHH affirmatively informs ALL patients of the dangers of that kind of surgery including the possibility that it may be a bad outcome or paralysis as a result. The patient then decides what they are willing to chance.

I meant NOR become a shooter yourself. Oops.

@letsdebate-Amen to being overworked and underpaid! I do what I do because (1) I'm good at it and (2) I really enjoy helping people. I certainly don't do it for the money!

Draven,

"Why can't man take responsibility for ALL of their actions....."

You are right. That IS what is wrong with the world today! Lack of responsibility...I am so happy someone BESIDES me thinks this!!!

Thank you!

On 12/23/2012.

A true Mayan believes that is when it all starts over again. We should learn the lessons of the past cycles and attempt not to repeat them in the next cycles!

Even with the crime rates as they are in the city, you have to admit that JHH may see many of the patients you hear about in the news but it is far different to BE the news.

Last word is the suspect is "contained" in the 8th floor room with the relative he was visiting. Doctor has abdominal injuries and is in surgery.

Gee, Tyler, can you delete his earlier comments too? They are just as bad or worse. A very angry man, indeed...

Gordyiniowa, it depends on how the calculation was made as to which date you get. Read a little more and watch a little less TV and movies. As far as my financial resources are concerned, don't count on it. You'll just have to do the unthinkable and get a job. Finally, having read a few of your posts, you clearly have some anger issues. You might consider a visit to a mental health professional, and soon!

The Winter Solstice is on 12/21 for 2012, and the Mayans had a thing for the Solsti(solstices?). It would be pretty stupid to believe they would start a new Long Count cycle two days AFTER the solstice.

That is my daughter's third birthday, feel free to send presents.

DAMN! An excellent post!

"we have people on here jumping to conclusions, placing blame, mocking, and exploiting the situation for religious conversion and furtherance of political points of view"

<<<< Welcome to the human race.

<<<< Welcome to the jungle.

Who is your god,a-hole?Glenn Beck or Rush the druggie Limbaugh? You need to check in a psych ward ASAP.

To Colin-2365541~ I agree totally. This is a secular PUBLIC FORUM, not a religious or political site.

YEP! Now get yer azz back to work and pay dem premiuns!

msnbc is a political forum just the same as fox except for claims to be fair and balanced when it is just an operative for the far right and msnbc says right at the top of the page that it is political.

Wallytron: you made me snortle out loud (the remote control line)!

Well, he certainly is not anymore.

lol pun.

I hear he is very critical.

Wow it's so sad.

Uh, there's no one to Sue Sir. The shooter is dead.

Went to the local affiliate's website www.wbal.com. They say the same thing as all the other news outlets. Apparently Mom walked in the hospital but is now paralyzed.

Thank you, I'm checking it out.

see page 1 - they shot and killed the suspect.

The suspect killed himself and his mother and shot the doctor in the stomach.