Stougard?

It was not 'our' system that he was tried under, but the Cambodian system, based on French law. And someone first had to capture the Khmer Rouge defendant, which was not even possible to attempt until 1991. Since he served 11 years in prison until the end of his trial, that means he was captured in 1999, or 20 years after the 'Commie' Vietnamese over-ran Cambodia and forced the Khmer Rouge out of the government.

And let's see - he's now 67 years old, so with a 19 year sentence, he will be 86 when the sentence is up. Also remember, the US is one of the few countries in the world that still practices capital punishment. Half the nations in the world have explicitly outlawed capital punishment, and most of those that still allow it only allow it during war and/or haven't sentenced a convicted defendant to death in at least 10 years.

Then again, you probably think Timothy McVeigh's execution was much, much too fast, even considering it was just over six years from his arrest to his execution. And that was because there were four years after sentencing used for appeals.

This man should be executed by the slowest and most painful process.

He stood by while millions of men, women and children were tortured and murdered.

Death is the only viable justice in this case.

Justice. What do any of you know of Justice? All you know is the Law, and even that you don't obey.

@Vex: You're paranoid, insane and though probably too stupid to be really dangerous, stupidity is a danger in and of itself.

You're going to compare the Khmer Rouge to the current US administration? Yep, that's about as intelligent as I've come to expect from the average Republican these days. This, this is why people don't like Republicans. There is literally no starting point to explain how crazy you sound.

He raped because he was following orders? Yeah...................right!"Born again Christian" or not, he still commited the crimes and has to pay. Boy I'd hate to be in his shoes in his future lives when it's time to pay back karma!!!

It's a little know fact that after January 1972, the U.S. assisted and pressured the international relieve agencies to supply food and medicine to the Pol Pot Regime while China supplied them with military hardware (at the insistence of the U.S. administration at the time). Read the article in CAQ Magazine called "The Long Secret Alliance; Uncle Sam and Pol Pot" by John Pliger.

Good old Tricky Dick Nixon. Another fine Republican giving aid and comfort to the enemy, just like Reagan to Iran and Iraq in the '80's.

bodo1152

John Pliger is world renown crackpot. A Google search doesn't even turn up a hit for "CAQ Magazine." You, your source and the author John Pliger seem to all have serious credibility problems. Can you find something in a credible journal of some sort rather than lunatic fringe left wing babble sheets.

I would suggest the reason for what you describe as "a little know (sic) fact" is that it isn't a fact, it is lunacy.

Hey Leo, They began publishing in 1978 and here is their address and ph#: 1500 Massachusetts Ave. NW suit 732 Washington D.C. 2005 (202) 331-9763. Ask for the article that you deny exists. Your opinion that John Pliger is a "crackpot" is just that, your opinion.. PS; there are other search engines out there other than Google.

Give me a website. If it is credible it would certainly be able to be found on the most powerful search engine the average person has access to. It cannot find one article about CAQ or even that it exists. I do not deny the article exists, I am telling you it cannot be found by mere mortals. If you use a source it must be able to be verified otherwise it is "crap." I think you will find many, even on Google, who will agree Pliger is a "crackpot." Look through his resume of books and films, etc. Little of his work has ever graced the pages of anything outside the looney left.

Perhaps a good example is that he is publishing articles in a “stealth” publication.

Bodo and Pliger credibility is still at zero.

www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/UncleSam_PolPot.html Does this make my "credibility" any better?

As I said I don't doubt the existence of the article somewhere, I question the magazine and the author. Find a credible publication that carried the piece. Until then I would continue to question both author and article. Third World Traveler is a left wing anti-American rag, which carries nothing but exposes about "evil doings" of our government and its even worse corporate allies. Give me a break.

Hey Leo: If it will make my "credibility" any better, read Wikipedia where in 1978, Brzezinski (National Security Advisor) admits encouraging China to support the Pol Pot regime. Let me know if you need help on how to "Google" Wikipedia..

Wikipedia - another A1 source. Where do you get these things? Ask around about their value. Try citing either of your sources in any kind of a credible argument. If you wish to believe them, have at it. I don’t think your comments based on either of them will be very well received.

For your own good, you really should read up on vetting your sources when you write something.

What do you want me say, "Great job I believe everything wholeheartedly"? There I said it, does that make it so? Don't try to satisfy me. Your choice.

Also please check into how Wikipedia gets their information, verifies it and and how their articles are written. I think you will find it interesting. Regards, Leo.

Leo, Read the book "Power and Principle, Memoirs of the National Security Adviser 1977-1981", page# 221 where Z. Brzezinski also admits to encouraging China to support the Pol Pot regime. The book is available on Amazon in case you still don't believe me. Wait, let me guess, his book is a "left wing babble" too. Can't you man-up and admit when you are wrong?

bodo1152

I can't believe you haven't gotten it YET!! You could give this guy a hundred links and he, or she would find a reason not to believe you. Most people do not want to believe the crimes that our government has committed and that is how they continue to get away with them.

Sheep,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, BAAAA BAAAAA

Yea your right luvenia48. It's like me trying to convince a christian or muslim that the earth has scientifically been proven to be 4.5 billion years old and not 10 thousand years old (and created in 7 days) like it says in the Bible and Koran. It just can't be done..

Another example of why the U.N. has no balls at all - it can't even @!$%#ing execute this guy who executed so many others, or even send him away for life!

35 years for 16,000 deaths?! WHAT THE @!$%# that is 19 hours per person! 19 hours!

Where's the balance - a person can get life or the death penalty for killing 2 or 3 people but this guy gets 35yrs - almost 1/2 of which is knocked off for time served - for killing 16,000. He truly deserves execution.

I am glad the UN did not conduct the war crimes trials after WWII.

The UN tribunal took 100 million and 10 years to find that the deaths were a result of troubled times; this is the same un court, that many of our elitesin congress want to turn over cases involving America's treatment of illegal aliens; Hillary just signed on to the UN resolution banning all firearms possession by non military or law enforcement. It must be voted on by the senate for it to become law in the United States!

Bodo

No scientific proof the world is 4.5 billion years old.

No transitional evolutionary evidence.

Should be millions of fossilized evidence = not.

And the correct date is 6 thousand years old, not 10 thousand.

"The U.N.-backed tribunal — 10 years and $100 million in the making — said it took into consideration the historical context of the atrocities"

I wonder what this tribunal would have given Hitler if he survived - a slap on the hands?

Roy Wilson, I think I can answer your question. Quoting the article:

Judges said that in handing down their verdict Monday, they took into consideration the historical context of the atrocities: The 1975-79 regime was the product of the Cold War times.

Well, Hitler's regime was a "product" of the Treaty of Versailles and the hard times in Germany after World War I. Germany, for that matter, had it much tougher in those days.

So in fact, Hilter had an even better excuse than this scum. So I guess you would be right.

Kevin-907749

Despite what you might say, there is absolutely no excuse for anything Hitler did.

Despite what you might say, there is absolutely no excuse for anything Hitler did.

Agreed

Koobee, the 6,000 year old date was put forth by Archbishop James Ussher, who was a scholarly priest (1581 to 1656) who determined that creation took place on the night preceding October 23, 4004 B.C. He did this by calculating the geneologies in the Bible. The problem is that the Hebrew geneologists often skipped a generation if the person was wicked, or died childless. This means "son of.." could also mean "grandson of..." or even "great-grandson of...." I personaly go for more like 10,000 years old, but I do agree with you. These billions of years, millions of years=faulty science. They wanted a world history without God, without intelligent design, without a Creator, and fabricated evidence to support their beliefs.

This absolute conviction that the world was created by God comes from a personal relationship with Him through Jesus Christ. Agnostics suspect, but don't really commit themselves to either one or the other, because they just don't know. Atheists claim they know that there is no God, but that's just more of the same...ridiculous. But because this conviction of intelligent design...that God created the heavens and the earth... is based upon a personal relationship with Him, whereby His Holy Spirit resides in the born again believer, highlighting and revealing the truths of the Bible, there may indeed be evidence of creation...and there is...but the true evidence is in the transformed lives of His children.

Take a basic science course, or watch one science program and you will see how incorrect you are.

Leo and Danwill, I'm sorry I should have clarified:

Put "excuse" in quotes... the thing is I would have wanted Hitler hung upside-down from his (existent?) balls until his death.

I just think this guy deserves the same. What I really meant by "excuse" is "pathetic attempt to worm your way out of what you deserve for the @!$%# and crimes you perpetrated"

The sad case is that here, it worked.

Prompt public execution by flamethrower would probably send the right message to all the others out there alright. All of a sudden, leading a bloody commie revolt and dictatorship wouldn't be such a high priority anymore.

A flamethrower? I do hope your kidding. The problem with brutal public executions as political deterrents is that they also have a history of having the opposite effect intended. You might cause an uprising by generating sympathy or lionize the condemned. As it is, Cambodia and the world hate this man and what he stood for. The weight and horror of his atrocities speak for themselves, and there is no need to "send a message." It's about justice, and I'm not saying that he doesn't deserve to die, mind you. Kill a monster if you must, but don't become a monster yourself.

Personally I don't believe this man/monster has a right to continue to live. But if he must, make sure that his incarceration is not pleasant. Then when at the age of 86 he is released from prison, make certain that the victims and the families/friends of the victims are all notified well in advance. Then let us all look the other way. His fate will be in their hands.

I'm agreeing with you completely, chefaz.

I just don't know what to say. The "UN" will forever more stick in my mind as "Useless Nuts".

My sympathies, also, for the people of Cambodia, and for the lack of value the UN has placed on the lives of its murdered people.

What are you all talking about, the UN? What did the UN have to do with any of this? I didn't see the US rushing in to end this - oh, that's right, Cambodia didn't have any oil.

Vietnam didn't have any oil, either, you moron. Neither did Germany or Japan. And we aren't requiring Iraq to compensate us with oil revenue (although we should). You are beneath contempt for living in an altruistic country like the US and showing your disdain for it and its motivations. The reason we pulled out of the region - and allowed millions to die in Vietnam and Cambodia - was because of people like YOU who were "war weary" and cut off funds for these benighted people. Cambodia was a direct result of all the hippies and "intellectual" students who cared not a fig for the brown people living in the region and stood idly by and watched these atrocities take place.

Schatze

Excellent comment. I don't know where these un-American comments by people like Dissent-1908032 come from. Perhaps not even Americans. Sounds like spoiled children and or chronic malcontents who attack any authority figure. Probably the first or second generation progeny of "hippies and "intellectual" students" who have no idea how much damage they have done and continue to do to this country

Thank you so much screminmimi for coming out again to support the good people of Cambodia.

The figure of 16,000 murdered has been reduced to 14,000. For the previous stories that have been running all week, including last night, the figure was 16,000. What's up with that??? There are some here that feel because of Kaing Guek Eav's age, the sentence is enough. While I understand where they might be coming from, IT SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE!!!

I'm glad to see that there are Cambodian people here commenting like Hoeun T. and Anthony. I can only imagine your grief and my heart breaks for you, your family and your countrymen and what has had to be endured and overcome. I cannot imagine the horrors and wish you GOD's biggest Blessings in your lives. You have my respect and support. I Pray that Cambodia continues to hunt down and prosecute the murderers of Pol Pot's regime. As far as justice goes...if they found all those responsible and all were executed or given life sentences, would it be enough??? Would justice be served??? I don't know...I do know that they cannot sit by idly and allow these murderers of innocent men, women and children to go free. I hope that MSNBC will continue to keep us informed of what is happening in Cambodia.

This man will probably die in prison. And this brings to mind another scenario that has been made into a movie. It concerns the battle, and final victory, against the slave trade in England. In the movie an old, blind Catholic priest is consulted. For 25 years this man, before he became a priest, was the captain of a slave ship. When he became a Christian, and gave his heart to Jesus, he was filled with such remorse over what he did, the only way he could hope to make ammends was a simple life of service. And it was he who converted an old tavern tune into a well know gospel song;

"Amazing grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me. I once was lost, but now I'm found. Was blind, but now I see."

The point I'm making is that I'm not so sure a person should get much mileage out of conversion to Christianty. That's between the person and God. However it is hoped and expected that the fruit of such conversion would be heartfelt remorse, ammends as possible, and life-changes. We do reap what we sow, and God does not always give crop failure. I am happy this man found Jesus. However, a bigger threat remains, and rather than focus on punishing the willing, the government needs to go after those that threaten civil war if the criminal tribunal digs deeper in prosecuting war crimes. It is absolutely unconscionable that they are part of the government, especially since they are still threatening.

As always Levi777, excellent post.

Hey Leo - Who's the malcontent, the spoiled child? "these un-American comments", "Sounds like spoiled children and or chronic malcontents who attack any authority figure. Probably the first or second generation progeny of "hippies and "intellectual" students" who have no idea how much damage they have done and continue to do to this country" You call anything that's not right wing "un-American". It's a country based on democracy, not republican zeal.

Schatze, your statement falters on a few points. Most glaring being that you assume that the argument is for US control over oil. The Bushs have been in league with the Saudis for how long? W left the national guard to go work for a Saudi company. Do you really think the US is his highest loyalty? Its who is making the Bushs money.

Too bad the US chose to support the Khmer Rouge for so long, support which has been well documented by the Congressional Research Service and noted by Senator John Kerry.

http://chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/pol/pilgerpolpotnus.pdf

http://chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/pol/polpotnus.pdf

For those who really know the truth behind the veiled curtain, the very ones who trained this monster was created by the same power that cried " Win their hearts and minds" with the twisted minds of pots regime a work for democracy failed so poorly, yet some of us all share the blame for 1.7 million genocidal experiment for good of democracy, terrible place for us to stick our noses in, seems we never learned from our mistakes. Believe me when you hear about small pieces of history the media propogates. We messed up as a nation but how can a oath sworn soldier ever say these words, in essensence a first hand accounting of the methods and training Dictator Pot received from the Red, white and blue, Poor Cambodia, God Bless and heal these souls, God forgive me and my bros in arms everywhere you know and do not know where you are stationed and the horrors under orders they were and still are getting under oath to execute, without question under the penality of a ARt.15. May the Lord forgive and help heal us all. Great Risk for this reply, be careful always.

You mean the John Kerry who raises a cloud of dust and calls it a whirlwind, to appear relevant? That John Kerry?

Interesting documents you provide. This is what they are teaching college students nowadays? That explains a lot about why Obama got elected. America has dirty laundry, no doubt. And many, if not most, of the nations and people groups that hate us do so because we earned their hatred. The 'boys in Washington' have blood on their hands, and their guilt will remain as they justify and maintain an unrepentant and 'above the law' attitude. That's why we as individuals need to be reconciled with God through Jesus Christ. It is God who shapes the nations, causes one to rise up and another to fall. It was said that "There are no atheists in a foxhole". I say we are standing on the edge and looking in. Those who DO know God have been saying that He is going to shake this nation. People flock to churches during times of national crisis, but after 6 months, they stop going. Israel did that 'repent then backslide then repent then backslide' until they forgot how to repent and God sent them into captivity, not once but twice, and scattered them to the four winds. And it took WW2 to get them back to the land.

Our leaders will not save us. Our officials will not keep us free from harm. In some parts of the world, to be an American is to be emulated, and admired. But why? Because we are relatively rich, even if that is a false view. We are rich with opportunity that much of the world's poor do not have. Those in poverty would LOVE to have our problems, drive our cars, live in our homes, shop in our stores.

And among much of the world's populations, both poor, middle income, and rich, they hate us because we are Americans, because of how we have waged secret wars, influenced outcomes, supported wickedness if it suited our purposes. I don't know if it's true, but I heard a statistic that says that since 2006, the number of American expatriates has tripled. Americans are surrendering their citizenship and moving to another country. And answer me this: Why is it that the poor love us, but the rich hate us? The poor love us because they crave our prosperity. The rich hate us because they have no need for us.

So, where should our allegiance lie? Even if you don't agree with the statements I have made, where should our allegiance lie? To our government? To God? To evolutionary science? To our friends? To ourselves? If I am the highest wisdom in my life, I am in trouble, and I'll wager the same applies to you. You can listen to really smart and intuitive people, but I'll bet the same applies to them.

And consider this, getting back to the point, why is it that the man in the article became a born again Christian? Christianity alone offers forgiveness and reconciliation with God. And that keeps popping up in the most interesting places. If only everyone would get a clue...

............................Which nations, that have tortured in the name of a NEW UTOPIA, have really changed. As soon as they get the upper hand, they will be back and on a much broader scale, to torture, kill, commit genocide. Those countries are and will be for a long, long time, uncivilized nations. And maybe there was some "waterbordings" partly OK'd by American leaders, but the saving Grace here, is that most of Americans were against it, and were free to express it when they found out. [Just so idiot's who like to bring it up, know].

Torture is only defined if you're the loser. And not ONE iota of intelligence was garnered from a US-approved waterboarding session. It doesn't work. It only makes the control-freaks feel in control.

vex, you should be waterboarded for being an idiot.

danwill

Great COH violation. Maybe you should be brought before the UN. Then again it may be more effective if you and yours are just waterboarded on a regular basis over a long period of time.

oh leo, i'm just calling out a psychotic that is screaming for the torture and murder of everyone that he doesn't agree with. and you single ME out for a COH violation.

quite one-sided there, aren't you?

go waterboard yourself.

Apparently you do not understand the COH o,r the term honor. You appeat pretty smart and should be able to come up with something far better and more effective than "idiot." I do however realize appearances sometimes are deceiving.

I have no enforcement authority, nor agree fully with the COH, but I do have experience based on many suspensions for violating it. You can use sarcasm, satire, humor and god forbid even reason, but there are certain attack words that will eventually catch up with you. Just a word to the wise, should you fit into that category.

Waterboarding is terribly different. The situations are completely different.

We waterboarded terrorists who were threatening our country, our lives, and they continue, around the world, to kill more people. Oh, but I'm sorry, people like you think that 'terrorist' is just too extreme of a word for these people.

Just so you know, we regularly include, or included in recent times before, pardon my use of this stupid term, libbies, got upset over it, waterboarding in the training of our troops, so they can learn to cope with such a tactic. This means that our men and women undergo such a 'dreadful' method of information extraction... WILLINGLY.

However, waterboarding citizens, farmers and teachers and children and women, people who've never taken up arms before, is a disgusting, terrible thing. Can you imagine their fear, sitting there, waiting for some Khmer Rouge follower to do what they please to them, when they may know nothing at all? There's hardly even any information to extract, except where others may be hiding!

Now, with that little rant over...

Kmer Rouge related not-so-news:

There was a young boy, who's parents were lost in the regime that tore apart his country. He was conscripted, before the age of ten, by the Khmer Rouge, to plant mines in the fields of Cambodia.

With the invasion of the Vietnamese, he was conscripted into their army, planting more mines. He had a tendency for getting tossed around against his will.

After they withdrew, he was reconscripted into whatever power was there at the time. The mine planting continued.

This boy grew up, having contributed to the deaths of many innocents, because of petty power struggles. As soon as he heard about the US Military giving lessons on the safe removal of mines, he enlisted.

He has spent most of his life, poking around the darn ground with a stick and a pair of pliers and his feet, finding mines and disengaging them. Estimations are that he's removed, single-handedly, eighty percent of the mines in the fields of Cambodia, making playgrounds and farming grounds safer.

To take it a few steps further, he's never blown a mine, and he's now teaching his method to others. He's got a freaking museum of mines open for people to see French, American, and Rouge, and even Russian mines.

Another step. He's taken in over a dozen children who've lost limbs to mines, or who had drug addictions and the likes, and cleaned up their lives and is still in the process of giving them proper educations.

I just have to wonder.... A guy like this, who's been subjected to so much, and has much right to just turn his back on an unfair world, but instead turns to extend his hands to others and help them... Why the hell isn't he in power? No one else would better know the history, let alone the strife of everyday, ordinary citizens in his country.

No the united states did not use waterboarding as practiced by the Khmer Rouge. The military and cia place a cloth over the face of the subject...elevate his feet about his head and pour water onto the face through the cloth. This practice is also done as a part of training navy seals. It is ery unpleasant but there have been no deaths. The Khmer Rouge would place the subject in a tank of water and not allow the subject out until unconsious..they would then attempt to revive the subject and do the procedure again and again until the subject died. Very few survived a Khmer Rouge waterboarding...the term "waterboarding" is used for a huge array of coerced interrogations using water. Some are very brutal others much less so.

Waterboarding is terribly different. The situations are completely different.

The situations are always different, aren't they? That's why the treaty the US wrote and Reagan signed says this:

Article 2.2 No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.

Not only were no plots foiled through torture (according to the FBI, CIA, and CIA IG), but the US is known to have tortured quite a few people who were factually innocent.

The reason he's not in power is because he is too busy "doing" instead of ranting. Humanitariams have a tendency to do that. Also he felt to blame for something someone made him to and tried to write it. Yes, he should be in charge.

the term "waterboarding" is used for a huge array of coerced interrogations using water. Some are very brutal others much less so.

All involve repeated drowning to an inch of one's life. All are defined in international law as torture when used for interrogation. Read the CAT so you might understand.

"All involve repeated drowning to an inch of one's life"

a completely false statement...probably knowingly false and intended to mislead

As for CAT it merely states:

"For the purposes of this Convention, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted"

The term severe is very subjective...waterboarding as practiced by the US military and CIA causes fear of drowning and a great deal of discomfort...does it raise to the level of "severe pain or suffering" depends on the person I imagine...for my two year old..sleeping without a nightlight causes severe suffering. But as with sleeping in a dark room, no one as died or been permanently injured by waterboarding as practiced by the US.

Sog, you obviously haven't read the CAT in full, or didn't comprehended it. There are only a few parameters for an action to meet the standard of torture:

1. The action must be performed by a government agent acting in official capacity;
2. The action must induce severe pain or suffering (physical or mental) beyond the bounds of ordinary law enforcement;
3. The intent must be either punishment or to extract information or a confession.

In other words, our government induced severe pain and suffering (beyond what was normal treatment for POWs or other prisoners) in order to extract information, and that action - thus the legal standard is met.

FYI, torture isn't all that subjective as a legal matter - the ICRC is the organization which all CAT signatories have agreed has the legal authority to investigate claims of torture and to make findings of fact. In the case of Bush's war of terror the ICRC has formally found that the US did in fact torture, as defined under international law. Of course, US law was also clearly violated but we seem incapable of holding ourselves accountable.

And yes, the waterboarding as practiced by the US could easily have been fatal - there's strong evidence in the Yoo/Bybee memos that Abu Zubaydah had to be resuscitated after one session. The entire point of waterboarding is to repeatedly drown someone, as a SERE instructor admits.

Quoting from a SERE instructor familiar with the limited waterboarding exposure used at SERE:

Having been subjected to this technique, I can say: It is risky but not entirely dangerous when applied in training for a very short period. However, when performed on an unsuspecting prisoner, waterboarding is a torture technique - without a doubt. There is no way to sugarcoat it.

In the media, waterboarding is called "simulated drowning," but that's a misnomer. It does not simulate drowning, as the lungs are actually filling with water. There is no way to simulate that. The victim is drowning.

We waterboarded terrorists who were threatening our country, our lives, and they continue, around the world, to kill more people.

One problem with torturing terrorists is that when we do, then any country can go right ahaed and torture their own political prisoners by simply labeling them "terrorists".

Oh, but I'm sorry, people like you think that 'terrorist' is just too extreme of a word for these people.

no, I consider them the epitome of evil, vicious , unrepentant , thugs bent on death and destruction. but that still doesn't justify torturing them. lock them up in a 6x6 cell and throw away the key, fine.

ok Leo, I apologize to you. (but not vex) It was very late, and I was deeply offended by vex's remark. you are right that my comment really was over the line.

Not to worry. For your own longevity on the Vine it is best to be careful. Leo.

?????????? - and your point about this article is????????

mindless gibberish.

I'm not sure why everyone is bashing the UN. The problem lies in the fact that Cambodia is blocking any real investigation due to its current leaders all having played a part in the atrocities. There will never be justice while the authorities have a history of involvement in those atrocities.

stiffette? you seen the Killing Fields - and you ok a jail sentence - its good to live in America isnt it. Public stoning per his request - mine field clean up and then possible stay at your house as a half way house. Since you feel that Cambodia should spend money on supporting this guy - how about you pay for it...

stiffette

If it weren't for the UN these killers would never have been brought to justice at all.

The UN impedes any activity they are involved in. I am sure the Cambodian would have meted out justice to someone who murdered so many of their countrymen.

What has the UN ever accomplished?

just look at hitler and his "respect" for the league of nations. (which he withdrew from, just like a bunch of like-minded, politically aligned people in the states are calling for)

Leo, you are missing the point here. The Cambodians on the tribunal were appointed by their current regime. A regime with its roots in the Khmer Rouge. The Cambodians on the panel would not want any punishment because their leaders could be put in the same position one day, in fact they themselves may one day stand trial for the horrors they were involved in. The Cambodian people had no say in this.

Hoeun T., I cannot know the pain of the good people of Cambodia yet, I read 'The Killing Fields' through my tears. Tragically, Cambodians are not alone in knowing the horrors of genocide: a number of dictators in the 20th century have slaughtered entire families. Perhaps God's justice has already begun and Duch suggested stoning because it would be easier than living. Evil is what must be defeated in each of us.

Leo, many who were involved in the regime currently hold positions in the Cambodian government. They fear repraisals and, so, have 'impeded justice'. To answer your question: Most recently, the UN has accomplished getting this man to trial.

danwill: Please clarify.

"The Killing Fields" is the best movie I'm never going to watch again. It was too hard to watch it the first time, I can't think of any other movie that triggered so many emotions. One of the very best movies. I recall hearing about killings in Cambodia on the nightly (CBS) news when I was much younger, the reporting was quite a bit sanitized. You could kind of tell that the reality of the situation was much worse than was being reported.

"if you cant phantom a genocide."

How does someone "phantom" a genocide? or anything else?

Is that like scaring it into non-existence?

Tristan, you're an a$$. Going after a person whose first language is not English for their spelling or grammer is about as low as you can go. Listen to what Hoeun has to say; it's his country, after all, and he has more right to an opinion than you do. The suggestion that the criminal clean up his conuntry's mine fields is brilliant.

I usually steer clear of grammar and spelling posts however I have seen some by people living right here with a so-called command of the language that were harder to understand than this poster. I would rather have someone make an effort than those that make no effort at all. So phantom/fathom is in the big picture not that big of a stretch.

Oops. Didn't notice writer was Cambodian. Sorry, Hoeun.

famous: I didn't go after Hoeun's spelling or grammar, you a$$.

Police Patrol is out! I wonder why they dont use a 'comma'?

To the subject at hand. I believe this former head of the Khmer Rouge, probably had the same Judge as L.L. recently.

Hoeun T

To the minefields he goes Agreed

BOOM oh well.

Especially when he'll probably be among those whose relatives he killed.

"Jackie Kennedy rode in a motorcade with Prince Sihanouk through the streets years before the Khmer Rouge took power."

Yeah, and Americans rode horses before they drove cars. What's your point? That because Jackie Kennedy rode in a motorcade in Cambodia, the country should have been immune from the Khmer Rouge atrocities?

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I understand Obama and other liberals wanted to use the Khmer Rouge, under the direction of ACORN, to run the Obama reeducation camps in America. Obama thought they had a good business model. They won the Jane Fonda and Bill Ayers awards for expediency didn’t they?

You wanted to see some irritationa and partisan comments; how was that? Or was that too near the truth?

Well, you've succeeded in making at least one person wonder if you at least half believe any of that stuff.

I understand that leo katz and time4apuirge want to use the Nazis to run the re-education camps.

how's that?

Leo, what an assinine post.

What does justice or lack thereof have to do with you being an athiest? God didnt sentence this guy to 19 more years, human beings did. When the time comes you can be sure that God will deal with this guy appropriately.

You are very right, what we believe to be true justice is indeed a bitter hallucination and doesnt exist.

There shouldnt even have been any sentence aside from execution for this man. Many people have gone to jail for murder, found Christ and yet were still executed because their sentence was still required to be carried out.

I dont agree with this man's sentence, but at least this guy is off the street, is not involved in the political end of things anymore, and will serve the rest of his sentence fully in a Cambodian jail. It could have been much worse. He could have been given house arrest, since many Pol Pot regime people still hold powerful positions in the Cambodian government today. Maybe execution would have let him off the hook a lot sooner.

There are a lot of things which make NO sense at all, and it doesnt matter whether we are athiest of Christian. This is one of those things!

It is typical of the United Nations. They are a joke, supported and ruled by despots.

but poor in reasoning

When the world finally comes to an end, will God teach you how to write?

You do realize this took place in the 70's. That our God-fearing nation turned its back on this poor nation. If God is coming back, he's got a lot of explaining to do. Easy for you to ask for God to "strengthen and heal the hearts for the reletives [sic], friends and loved ones of those who were involved in this abuse" (isn't abuse a rather weak word here) now, when a kind faced man tells of his remorse.

This constant, years later, poor pitiful me routine makes me sick. @!$%# him, pull his toenails out and electrocute his balls until his is dead. Then piss on his bones.

Oh goody! This POS is a Born Again Christian, as if this now makes it all better. How typical. " Look, I've become a Christian, so everything I did before is forgiven. " Yeah, right.

Just like all Christians, he thinks that what he did Monday through Saturday is made all better because he went to church on Sunday.

Think again, pal.

Not ALL Christians. Many I do agree, but not all.

OK, I'll grant you maybe a handful. But not many. As Gandhi said " I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians, they are so unlike your Christ".

Whenever I see a business with that little fishy thing on their logo, I run, not walk, they other way. I've learned several bitter lessons about ' Christian ' run businesses.

Well, I see that it took a whopping four hours for the bashers to come out and try to derail this story and make it an issue about Christianity instead of at least some kind of feeble attempt to stay on track. I guess that would be asking too much. But, as usual, the Ye Of Zero Faith Crowd has nothing else to do but latch on to the fact that the war criminal, Kaing Guek Eav converted to Christianity sometime during his incarceration. Yeah...just keep with your mindless bashing about those Christians. Never mind anything else here. That would encompass something called a "thought process". Obviously, too much trouble. Easier to bash Christians so you can see yourself in print.

"Easier to bash Christians so you can see yourself in print."

They're gonna print this? Where? When? Can I order a leather bound version -- with gold-leaf pages?

Tristan, in answer to your question, I will defer to famousperson as well as your other comments throughout this. They (your comments) speak for themselves - volumes. Enjoy yourself in print.

You do realize that when you say, "In answer to your question," you're supposed to follow that with an answer, right?

Are you toying with me?

Converted...not converted...it doesn't change the price he must pay, nor the fact that he is a mass murderer. Many convert due to the convenience of telling a judge or a parole board that, "I am born again, I am not the same person...etc., etc."