Newspapers and government officials started receiving the list of names and personal information this week, creating widespread fear in the Hispanic community

Why? If you're here legally you should not fear it.

Herbert said the state is not investigating the names on the list.

Again, why? Come on, how many man hours would it take to verify that those on the list are here legally?

Intentionally releasing a private record in Utah is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a $1,000 fine. If someone stole such a record, it could be prosecuted as a felony with a penalty punishable by up to five years in prison and a $5,000 fine.

Good, those 'employees' are trusted with sensitive material (SSNs, other personal data).

Two wrongs don't make a right. However since there appears to be some questions to those on the list legal status (by employees who work for the Department of Workforce Services) why not go ahead and double check.

It's amazing the disconnect between the citizens of this Country and the Federal, state, and local governments and those that work for these institutions. Should these individuals have done what they did? Probably not. However, if the government agencies have this information and used it to arrest and deport these illegals the individuals that released this information would have had no reason to do so. Another reason we need to take this Country back!

WE should ALL fear vigilante justice, because it is not fair and GOES AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION!! Ignorance is not an excuse.

We should also fear an ineffective [federal, state, county, city] government!

Exactly which "God-given American rights" are you protecting against these individuals? Because you seem to be willing to violate every one I can think of in your zeal to get rid of "those people".

keep up the good work Utah and keep exposing these lawbreakers so they can be deported back to where they came from.....if you're illegal or one of "those people", get the HELL out of my country and don't come back !! since when is illegal, legal in this country...volver a casa, ahora !!

They are in this country illegal; They are using phony social security numbers, for profit. (a major felony) They are receiving benefits by falsifying applications. ( how else could they get rent subsidy, food stamps, aid to dependant children, school lunch vouchers) a felony to receive government benefits under false pretense. They are not filing income tax forms on money earned in the U.S. . a felony.

However the authority's are going after the people who disclosed a felony conspiracy, wow !

You wont solve the immagration problem with the act of exposing illegals and deporting them, they will just come right back. NOPE...all you have to do is punish the American Corporations and Individuals that keep hiring illegals. If you hire them they will come, if you dont they wont!..

Let's call them what they are whistle blowers. Fact of the matter is it seems like our government has got a pretty good idea where the illegals are and choose to do nothing about it ignoring our current immigration laws, instead they say REFORM REFORM. While the majority of the american people say ENFORCE ENFORCE. By the way, if those are illegal aliens on the list then that isn't their social security number.

Exactly which "God-given American rights" are you protecting against these individuals? Because you seem to be willing to violate every one I can think of in your zeal to get rid of "those people".

ILLEGAL aliens are ILLEGAL. What rights are you having violated by asking the Fed to enforce the laws already on the books? It's not like Arizona and others are passing wiretap laws to listen to international calls here. They're checking identification just like they do all of the white people they pull over in routine stops.

If hispanics are pulled over they shouldn't get preferential treatment. If I were in China illegally and were pulled over, would it be racism for them to verify I'm legally there because I have blonde hair, blue eyes, and speak with an American accent?

realamericanfirst- good point.

"since when is illegal, legal in this country?" When those of you defending the Utah lawbreakers say so?

How many times have I heard "What is it about ILLEGAL you don't understand?" To those of you who defend or even want to reward the state workers in Utah who ILLEGALLY obtained the list, I ask you the same question - What is it about ILLEGAL you don't understand (and even want to reward)? Or is it just that laws you like should be enforced but laws you don't like should be ignored? Is it possible there is something else that bothers you besides the violation of American immigration laws? Can't imagine what that might be!

Their children are anchor babies, just another way to skirt and abuse the system. There is a steady flow of Mexican women crossing the border to have their babies, its pretty well documented. Please tell me how that is right, and I need to turn the other cheek while I have to pay full cost for my children if the insurance doesn't cover maternity. And since when did we stop using "Illegal Alien" and substitute it with "Illegal Immigrant" soon enough we'll be calling them "Misplaced Workers" and after that "Registered Democrat".

@RealAmericanFirst......Your comment is so far the best comment on here. People like to run their mouths before they know all the facts.

I also find it strange that most people who hate "illegals" so much avail of them when it is convenient for them....(Cheap labor...Daycare, Gardening, Housekeeping, etc.) My ex-carpooler use to vent every day, as you see on here all the time, about how all the illegal’s need to get out, how the country is ruined, they are to blame for everything... yada.... yada.... yada! Then one day when I mentioned that I was looking for a new housekeeper, he recommends his...who was an "illegal" from El Salvador. WTF? And who do you think he recommended when I inquired about getting my yard re-done? You guessed it! His "illegal" gardener! The only reason he didn't have a nanny was because he didn't have any kids but I bet you if he did, he would have preferred an "illegal" for $150 a week then to pay a local daycare at least 4x that. What freaking hypocrites!

Hispanics have been in America a lot longer than most of the people commenting about individuals releasing ssn and private information for all scam artists to use in a crimminal manner. Let the the law suits begin! What makes these public workers who deal with sensative information judge and jury.

Van - Black people were born here. Not many emancipated slaves left alive these days.

I find it bizarre that they could face a felony because they provided the list of illegals from the database to the immigration department. That becomes some special kind of felony, besides just releasing it to the rest of the general public.

The employees that did this are HEROES, and deserve a medal!

Its obvious now that the states knows who is there illegally!

I say that EVERY STATE should be FORCED to hand over similar documents, and then we need to go after the invaders immediately!!

No one is in favor of violations of privacy rights. However, why isn't the state of Utah allocating resources to determine who is, in fact, on the list and present in the state of Utah ILLEGALLY!!!!! Why are no resources being devoted to the lawbreaking illegal immigrants and the criminal employers that hire them and violate the law with impunity, thus resulting in harm to American citizens and LEGAL IMMIGRANTS alike.!!!???!!! Incredible!

Americans will not tolerate a government (neither state nor federal) which refuses to enforce the rule of law. Enforce American immigration law NOW!

To everyone who is against Arizona's law and make comments like "these illegals are NOT getting welfare"... here is a quick snippet...

Gov. Gary Herbert said the employees work for the Department of Workforce Services, which administers some public aid benefits. The employees have been placed on administrative leave.

The list came from Department of Workforce Services, which administers some public aid benefits.

This is a disgrace to every hard working legal American, period.

To the Government -Get off your fat, pork filled arses and do something productive for a change!!

We the People... are coming in November. Party affiliation doesn't give you a free pass, work for us, fear us, do your jobs and get out of our lives.

Realamericanfirst you're probably right that their children are American citizens by virtue of being born here. What needs to be done is get rid of the anchor baby status-if the parents are here illegally the child should not be automatically granted citizenship.

Anyone condoning Illegal Aliens should be sent to another country with the Illegals... Either that or raise their taxes so I don't have to foot the bill for people that don't pay theirs! Don't call me racist either because send the Illegal White people back where they came from too! You can definitely tell who on this site is colored and who isn't!

SJ23 - my sentiments exactly.

There is something wrong with the picture when they are prosecuting whistleblowers instead of the criminals.

Like Patrick said in 1.23, the governor is not doing a dang thing about the people on the list.

I guess he doesn't like his job because I understand that UT is trying to pass a similar law to AZ. Governor Brewer likes her job and that's why she did what she did.

VOTE THEM ALL OUT. I am tired of this nonsense.

The issue is they committed major felonies to do it and the list was wrong.

The Government has massively ramped up their prosecutions of illegal aliens.

Everybody agrees illegal immigration is a problem, but vigilantism is not a solution. As somebody aptly pointed, out two wrongs do not make a right

Patrick:

Telling people to fear you is threatening.

And, how can the government investigate us and get out of our lives at the same time? Doesn't make sense.

soooo....many ignorant people posting on this subject.

They must be big supporters of the Bush administration, which believed that laws should be enforced selectively, depending upon who is breaking them.

It is a crime for someone to be in this country illegally and it is, also, a crime, for a government agency in Utah to publicly disclose the names of the people in this country, illegally.

So, now, we should only enforce the laws that appeal to ignorant anti-immigration conservatives?

Conservatives will profess that this is a country of laws, until they don't accept the laws as valid. Then they profess their belief in anarchy. Enter, stage right, the Tea Party.

It never ceases to amaze me how the same people that say they defend our constitution will shred it, at a moments notice, when they don't agree with it.

Was it Bush or Cheney that said that the constitution was "just a piece of paper"?

I feel like a broken record repeating the same thing over and over the past couple days discussing this. All of you who hold these state employees up as heroes are assuming that the list is accurate. It has already been shown that a number of them are here legally. How many false positives does it take?

And the argument "If you are here legally you have nothing to worry about" has never been on the receiving end of the completely irrationally abuse called racism. We all know that government records can have bad or old information. Suppose someone like me, forth generation with a Spanish last name, answered the door to the house that was listed as the home of an illegal immigrant and there was an angry racist who took the law into his own hands like the "hero" state workers? Is that racist going to wait to see my id?

I was called a fear mongerer yesterday for suggesting that could happen. I live in a part of southern California that has a higher than average level of white supremacist activity. This might be far outside the realm of possibility in your neck of woods, but here in mine its not.

Also, I feel like I need to defend my use of the word "racist". Some jump on that word and dismiss any argument it is attached to as hyperbolic. In many instances that is the correct approach. It is often over used and tossed as a blanket over an entire group when it is only a vocal minority within the group. I am not saying that if you disagree me with on the issue of the "hero" state employee you are racist. I'm saying that within the group that supports the employees there are racists. And just as the people here have jumped to the conclusion that the list is accurate, those racists can jump to the same conclusion. And they are the ones I'm concerned about.

If there was more vigilante justice maybe there would be less crime! I'm all for vigilantes & think more people should be involved in their own countries affairs!

Puddle...you proved your very first point with your post.

Paul, they didn't release the list to individuals, they released it to the government! Let them come check my papers if my name was on the list by accident.... At least I know they are doing their jobs and doing what I pay my taxes for!

Dan-1785854 - They released it to government offices and the media. And since the list was compiled by overzealous employees, any like minded employees at one of those offices or media outlets could do the same with a couple clicks of a mouse.

And the "let them come check my papers" is often spouted by those who know no one is actually coming to check their papers.

Throw these two felons under the jail and throw away the key.

@ leftygreenietroll

When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.

When the government fears the people there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson

Get it?

Patrick-1112710 - If I fear the government won't punish its employees who illegally distribute protected information, there is tyranny. If the government fears getting voted out by the people if they don't punish these employees, there is liberty.

Sounds about right to me.

How many of you complaining about the perpetrators of this crime being investigated would be screaming that same song if it were found out that 'rag heads' had compiled the list?

All of you?

Some of you?

Or the most likely response - none of you?

I don't condone the actions of the employees but I do have to say something about the concentrated effort to blur the line between illegal immigration and legal immigration and painting those who are anti illegal immigrant as anti immigrant. There is a difference and you can be anti-illegal immigrant and be pro immigrant.

Even the title of this ariticle shows the blurring of the line since the document was suppose to be a list of illegal immigrants getting benifits with a few mistaken legal immigrants included(even that has to be questioned since illegal immigrants can get their hands on legal social security numbers)not just a list of immigrants. My point is that the title should have read"

Utah identifies 2 allegedly behind illegal immigrant list

Those on the side of illegal immigration often drop the illegal part when talking about immigration and those who are against illegal immigration as to paint those who are anti-illegal immigrant as just anti-immigrant to make them out as racists or bigots. I have seen this tactic used in multiple new articles and it's flat out not right.

If the police get a list of people suspected of dealing drugs from an informant and a couple of of the people on the list were innocent do you honestly believe the police would throw away the entire list and not investigate the rest of the people on the list? I'd bet not.

Some Lame Name Here - The headline "Utah identifies 2 allegedly behind illegal immigrant list" would make the same wrong assumption that many here are making. It assumes that the list is of illegal immigrants.

And anybody that thinks that having to" show your papers" is some new concept think again. Your "showing your papers" every time you have to provide a drivers license or ID to a police officer. Your "papers"were condensed to a little plastic card long long ago.

I cannot think of any time that I wasn't reqired to provide ID to a police officer. Even when I caught a guy pissing outside my apartment door during a local festival and flagged down one of the scores of police on the street that are there for said festival. I had to provide my ID, had it run to see if I had any outstanding warrants, and they let the guy go with a warning. The police even had the balls to ask me if I had some paper towels for the guy to wipe up his own piss as if I was responsible for the puddle myself because I reported him..

And Paul how bout this then

Utah identifies 2 allegedly behind alleged illegal immigrant list
That at least would be more honest than the current title. I was going to post it this way but the 2 allegeds together looked awkward

Yet another example of political correctness run amuck. Criminalize the ones reporting the crime, but assure the hispanic leaders that they will not take action against the criminals on list. America the crazy!

Herbert said accessing the private information and distributing it to federal immigration authorities is also a violation of federal law.

WHY??? WTH? It sounds like the federal government is trying to insure that illegal immigrants don't get deported or prosecuted. Why even have immigration laws if you refuse to enforce them?

Some Lame Name Here - Accurate always trumps awkward.

And as far the ID issue, I don't believe that only us Tanner Americans are going to be forced to produce IDs. I am just concerned that we will have to do it more frequently than the rest. I know it says that the AZ law and any future law patterned after it specifically state that racial profiling it not allowed. I also know (and this Utah story seems to collaborate) that an over zealous cop who thinks he is doing the right thing can hide racial profiling behind any number of "his word against mine" stops. I wasn't stopped because I look Mexican, but because I didn't come to a complete stop. I was driving erratically. That light wasn't yellow, it was red.

If the people on that list were here illegally, why would anyone think they should be protected under privacy laws? Utah should and most likely (on a very low key basis of course) will check those names out anyway. If they are in fact illegal, deport them ASAP and save a drain on social services that should be reserved for citizens and legal residents! Those employees should be commended for their efforts!

"If you don't like America, then leave"

I actually agree with that old conservative/hillbilly attitude. I also agree with the opposite: If you like/love America and what America stands for (here's a clue: it isn't the English language) then come on in!

It is really sad to see people in the most prosperous land in history complaining about dirt poor Mexicans coming here for low paying jobs, risking their lives crossing dangerous borders, just to pick lettuce. Shame on all of you, spoiled brats. I don't care if an immigrant is illegal or whatever, I only care why they are here. Funny how all the GOP politicians fail to mention that all the major cities with high immigrant populations have had a corresponding decrease in real crime (real crime = people hurt, not a real crime = people who want to earn a living).

"No Mr. Garrison, we cannot get rid of all the Mexicans"

I just have to respond to this one. The now tried and true liberal ploy of throwing out a completely ridiculous assertion enough times and maybe people will start to believe it.

"Cities with the highest illegal immigration have the largest decrease in crime?"

Really? I beg you to please provide those statistics to us. Because the truth is 180 degrees opposite from this assertion.

This is a new blog, the natural home of completely ridiculous assertions. So no I am not going to quote statistics. Though it would be easier to be more pragmatic about these things if the numbers were straight forward. Sadly these days there is a different truth/statistic for every partisan view point.

Oh and thanks for assuming I am a liberal (really more of a left wing libertarian).

I see nothing wrong with going after the illegals, especially if the state has the info on where they are at. If they are not going after the illegals even though they know where they are then we the people should DEMAND that they do or face immediate impeachment from their offices...

You and your right-wing cronies need to see the bigger picture. Regardless of how you personally feel toward illegal immigration (and I will admit I'm not especially fond of it, either), this sort of behavior belongs more to fascism than to Democracy. In this country, we are ruled by laws, not by impulse. If you want to work the system, do it legally - continue to pressure our elected officials, but lay off the "hit" lists. We're not the U.S.S.R.

Illegal immigrants do not belong in the US.

We just had the 2010 national census -- should we use people's responses to deport aliens? Well, that's been made illegal itself, otherwise aliens or non-European descendants would abstain from or provide false data to the census. It's illegal b/c there is great value in having an accurate census, and privacy of responses strongly promotes accuracy. The privacy law that these 2+ Utahans illegally violated is also based on the notion that privacy strongly promotes the effectiveness of other programs. For example, school systems are in the business of education (we hope), with an educated population being the key to a strong economy & strong society; so school systems are prohibited from reporting alien children to U.S. Immigration offices. Let's see, doing the math: the Utah misdemeanor penalty of up to 6 months jail and $1,000, multiplied by 1300 names would give these state employees up to 650 years jail time and $1,300,000 fines. Our legal system often prohibits prosecuting someone based upon information that was illegally obtained [a protection that I have some disagreement with, but it's our law]. Since these names were illegally obtained (and it's not clear than any of them are in fact illegal aliens, let alone threats to our society), it might be impossible for the Utah governor or anyone to pursue this list.

What most of the bigots that are screaming in support of these two scumbags, so conveniently forget is that there were legal immigrants on the list. So when this list gets into the hands of some other rightwing nutbags that take it a step further what do we do.

These two broke the law and the American peoples trust. They are entrusted with delicate info and they made it public, a very dangerous precedent. They need to be fired.

Does anybody remember ETHNIC CLEANSING, Holocaust, trail of tears, Ho Chi Min trail, etc.

I'm seriously concerned that OUR hateful rhetoric is leading in that direction.

The folks who produced this list were as illegal as the aliens they HATE.

I am not a liberal, but when I see "when they are on a list, deport 'em", it makes me fearful. yup, I admit it I'm afraid of xenophobes.

I thought this was a free country.

Innocent until proven guilty....

Freedom and equality...

Bring me your tired, your poor, your helpless...

Where did my America go?

It seems to have been swallowed up by self-righteous, ego-centric, hyperbole.

Criminals are criminals, whether they are stealing records and publishing slander or sneaking across borders for a better life.

None of us as better than any others.

Let's stop harshing on each-other and do something to make America better for all of us.

Since it is a crime to aid and abet criminals, then it appears the Governor of Utah and Kristan Cox of Workforces Services, have been doing precisely that, and shouldn’t they be charged with a crime? Surely it is as logical as pursuing the whistleblowers instead of the illegals. There are laws to protect whistleblowers and I hope it helps these folks.

After all, if there are nearly 1,300 Illegal Aliens on The List, it appears to have been the revelation of giving these illegals public benefits that upsets her and the Governor the most... not the fact they should have been processing the illegals as illegal aliens in the first place. They are prime enablers of as many crimes as are illegals on the list at the least, and of all the illegals in the State of Utah, for that matter.

How much more important it seems to be that The List has blown the cover of the public servants who are themselves apparently breaking the law. Naturally that will take all their attention and expenditure of public funds to defend themselves. Let someone else deal with the illegal aliens.

And Cox talks of the hypocrisy of revealing who they are while she subsidizes them? She certainly can define hypocrisy.

Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist". Illegal is still Illegal.

I say we give them a Medal and a promotion!!

If you want to work the system, do it legally

I assume you agree that applies to illegal immigrants as well.

Anchor babies are not U. S. citizens - SCOTUS said so three times.

If I didn't have to read so many vitrolic posts from so many Archie Bunkers, I'd count how many unique posters there are on each side of this argument and I would probably get a pretty good indication of the average education and intelectual level of the people in this country. Take that any way you like.

leftygreenytroll,

1st of all, Holocaust and Trail of Tears are one thing- what does the Ho Chi minh trail have to do with anything? We take the poor and tired, but they have to go through our acceptance process to come here in the first place. Thats what our ancestors did. I like getting high too , but christ dude, get real.

It surprises me and truly worries me how much we have lost our country. On one hand, we have developed such a liberal agenda and yet on the other hand, the voice of conservative america has become xenophobic, rasict and mean spirited. There is no more room for those of us who really do see a reasonable middle ground on the issues. I have read most of the comments everyday people wrote and it embarrasses me how uneducated and unintelligent some people are. YET we still defend their right to dissent. Firstly, let me say, that i am NOT trying to change anyones opinions. Some WILL NEVER reason. But i would like to humbly offer my opinions on the said matter:

1. "illegal immigrants" is a political term because there is NO LAW that is broken. In fact what we have is a civil code within the immigration system. its not an actual LAW in its most accurate and narrow definition.

2. it is ILLEGAL UNDER LAW to have published this information to organizations that had no business with this information.

3. Immigration MUST be reformed IMMEDIATELY because the more the federal government waits the more the local governments will try to exercise their own version of "justice."

Politically, i have leaned more to the right than to the left, however, the right has morphed more and more into an all white, southern party and it DOES NOT accurately represent America. That leaves people like me without a voice in government.

Xenophobia is NOTHING NEW in America. IN the 1800's and early 1900's we, as a nation, harshley treated the Irish, the Italians, the Germans, the blacks and the japanese. Now its the Latin Americans. What is startling is that SO MANY think illegal immigrants and immediately assume someone from Latin America. This is also inaccurate.

Our nation is in the middle of a cultural crisis as EVERYONE is trying define America's TRUE identity. Well allow me to summarize my humble opinion:

WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS BECAUSE BOTH PARTIES ARE A FAILURE AS THE LEFT HAS BEEN HIJACKED BY FLOWERPOWER AND THE RIGHT HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER BY THE KKK.

WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT "WHITE AMERICA" BECAUSE THIS LAND NEVER BELONGED TO THE WHITES AS IT WAS SAVAGELY STOLEN FROM THE NATIVE AMERICANS--THE TRUE AMERICANS

WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS BUT SOME LAWS ARE NOT WRONGLY PASSED AND THAT IS WHY THERE ARE CHECKS AND BALANCES SO THE SUPREME COURT CAN DETERMINE A LAW'S CONSTITUTIONALITY.

WE ARE NOT HITLER'S GERMANY WHERE LAWS WERE PASSED TO FAVOR ONE RACE OVER ANOTHER! We are all God's children and only God knows.... "Americans' are not losing jobs to foreigners who work mostly in agriculture because we think it beneath us to do it ourselves!

Good Night and God bless America!!

Sure, what these guys did was illegal. And they will be punished. But what the illegal immigrants are doing is also illegal and the government continues to refuse to uphold immigration laws of this country. The government should not be able to pick an choose which laws they uphold. They should uphold all laws of this country.

Our country is being overrun by illegals. Primarily from south of the boarder. Any country cannot assimulate such a large number of people that speak a different language and have a different culture. I do not care what the origin of the people is. If this was tens of millions of illegal immigrants from Cambodia it would still be wrong. If they created their own countries within the US, where you had to speak Cambodian to get a job, that would be wrong. If they brought all the lawlessness and corruption of Cambodia, that would be wrong.

No other country would allow this assault on their country. Could you imagine France letting americans come into their country illegally, and demanding rights as illegal immigrants? Could you imagine them allowing so many illegals into their country so that they made up 10% of the population?

This has to stop now, or it never will. All illegals need to be prevented from working, and deported if found. It took decades for them all to get here, so if it takes decades to get rid of them all, that is fine. Then we could have a guest worker visa where they could come for a short period of time to work, then return home and come again later. But if they can just stay illegally without fear and get a job somewhere else, then they would just use it as a safe and easy way to get into the country.

why are Utah officials so intent on giving away public funds to people who they now know with out a doubt are scamming the system the two people involved are protected under the federal whistleblower law

The police could probably get more confessions if they tortured suspects - but does that make it right?

Also, maybe those millions of unemployed folks should go rob them so they can feed their families? Wouldn't that be a fair exchange? The banks are robbing us, so why can't we rob them back in return?

Or maybe, it is OK to kill someone you suspect killed a member of your family, even wthout a proper investigation or all the facts?

Sure, this immigration mess is frustrating, but so is being poor. Should I go start robbing folks or banks because of that frustration?

they are trying to hide the fact that they know a lot of names and addresses for criminals in this country illegally and not doing anything about it

The people who came up with the list violated the rules of their jobs by stealing and mis-using the information.

To demonstrate to them what they did, they should be deported to some country of luxury and refinement, like Somalia.

That would also show other potential list stealers what justice is.

Thank you, Voice of Reason. What you said deserves to be repeated here and now...

It surprises me and truly worries me how much we have lost our country. On one hand, we have developed such a liberal agenda and yet on the other hand, the voice of conservative america has become xenophobic, rasict and mean spirited. There is no more room for those of us who really do see a reasonable middle ground on the issues. I have read most of the comments everyday people wrote and it embarrasses me how uneducated and unintelligent some people are. YET we still defend their right to dissent. Firstly, let me say, that i am NOT trying to change anyones opinions. Some WILL NEVER reason. But i would like to humbly offer my opinions on the said matter:

1. "illegal immigrants" is a political term because there is NO LAW that is broken. In fact what we have is a civil code within the immigration system. its not an actual LAW in its most accurate and narrow definition.

2. it is ILLEGAL UNDER LAW to have published this information to organizations that had no business with this information.

3. Immigration MUST be reformed IMMEDIATELY because the more the federal government waits the more the local governments will try to exercise their own version of "justice."

Politically, i have leaned more to the right than to the left, however, the right has morphed more and more into an all white, southern party and it DOES NOT accurately represent America. That leaves people like me without a voice in government.

Xenophobia is NOTHING NEW in America. IN the 1800's and early 1900's we, as a nation, harshley treated the Irish, the Italians, the Germans, the blacks and the japanese. Now its the Latin Americans. What is startling is that SO MANY think illegal immigrants and immediately assume someone from Latin America. This is also inaccurate.

Our nation is in the middle of a cultural crisis as EVERYONE is trying define America's TRUE identity. Well allow me to summarize my humble opinion:

WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS BECAUSE BOTH PARTIES ARE A FAILURE AS THE LEFT HAS BEEN HIJACKED BY FLOWERPOWER AND THE RIGHT HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER BY THE KKK.

WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT "WHITE AMERICA" BECAUSE THIS LAND NEVER BELONGED TO THE WHITES AS IT WAS SAVAGELY STOLEN FROM THE NATIVE AMERICANS--THE TRUE AMERICANS

WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS BUT SOME LAWS ARE NOT WRONGLY PASSED AND THAT IS WHY THERE ARE CHECKS AND BALANCES SO THE SUPREME COURT CAN DETERMINE A LAW'S CONSTITUTIONALITY.

WE ARE NOT HITLER'S GERMANY WHERE LAWS WERE PASSED TO FAVOR ONE RACE OVER ANOTHER! We are all God's children and only God knows.... "Americans' are not losing jobs to foreigners who work mostly in agriculture because we think it beneath us to do it ourselves!

Good Night and God bless America!!

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#1.61 - Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:30 PM PDT

Amazing Voiceofreason! Since coming to the newsvine stories I have discovered a new respect for some (like miniscule amount) republicans' points of view of subjects. This must be where all the intellectual conservatives are hiding on the internet, because when I go to read posts on the yahoo news boards or cnn boards it's mostly a TON of rhetoric driven gibberish. I have read some honest, very well written and thought out posts in the 2 days I've been on newsvine. I'm not a republican, but it does give me hope to know there are those of you out there.

Immigration reform is important, but what those workers did is repugnant and reprehensible. If they were in the military and they released information like that 1.) IT'S NOT ADMISSABLE IN COURT BECAUSE A LAW WAS BROKEN TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION (Fruit of the Poisoned Branch) and 2.) they would lose their clearance to handle such information and would be face Uniformed Code of Military Justice action (the least of which would be a Field Grade Article 15 which would result in 45 days extra duty, 45 days restriction, forfeiture one half base pay per month for two months, and a reduction to E-1 (for E-4 and below) or one pay grade for Non-Commisioned Officers (E-5 and above).

This is expanding on Dustin592252's comment re:

Their children are anchor babies, just another way to skirt and abuse the system. There is a steady flow of Mexican women crossing the border to have their babies, it’s pretty well documented. Please tell me how that is right, and I need to turn the other cheek while I have to pay full cost for my children if the insurance doesn't cover maternity. And since when did we stop using "Illegal Alien" and substitute it with "Illegal Immigrant" soon enough we'll be calling them "Misplaced Workers" and after that "Registered Democrat".#1.14 - Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:45 PM EDT

I recently was doing research at the SMU Library, and came across an article in the "Dallas Star" from the mid-70s, and the headlines read "WET BACKS CONTINUE TO PLAUGE TEXAS". When the hell did we upgrade them to "Illegal Alien" status? I'm not too concerned about being politically correct or "hurting the feelings" of unwanted, undesired, illegal, law breaking parasites who suck up government benefits paid for, and meant for, US citizens. And this "anchor baby" phenomenon? Really, what's the difference between some pregnant woman squatting on my front yard, giving birth, and then expecting me to pay for that kid's nutritional, medical and educational needs till it’s at least 18, maybe 21, and perhaps indefinitely. If these opinions and beliefs make others screech that I'm a racist or a bigot, well, I guess I'll wear those labels Proudly.

And how would you feel if your name appeared on the list? Do you welcome being investigated because someone "suspected" that you were here illegally because you had an accent or "looked" illegal? I don't want a bunch of amateurs trying to do the job of law enforcement.

Zebragirl, How would you feel if an illegal stole one of your childrens SSNs and started a life with their identity?

Average - do you have any evidence whatsoever that any of the people on the list did that? If not, have you heard of a little provision of the Constitution that says "innocent until proven guilty"? You can't impose penalties like publishing people's SS numbers and their due dates even if they were CONVICTED criminals. The fact that you're willing to do it to innocent people says a lot about your commitment to real American values.

And how would you feel if your name appeared on the list? Do you welcome being investigated because someone "suspected" that you were here illegally because you had an accent or "looked" illegal? I don't want a bunch of amateurs trying to do the job of law enforcement.

I'd feel the same as if I were pulled over in another country and they asked for my ID and passport. I'm sure they don't ask the ones who look local and speak with local dialect for passports, but I don't get all emotional and scream racism.

As for a bunch of amateurs doing the work of law enforcement, I'd settle for law enforcement doing the job period. Then you wouldn't have "amateurs" being that fed up. They're just lucky it wasn't vigilante justice from some psychopath just ready to snap over that last job he lost to illegals willing to work for $3/hr.

At least two of the people named on the list are Puerto Ricans. Puerto Ricans are AMERICAN CITIZENS.

And, Joe, I've had my identity stolen. By a Cindy Smith who was as caucasian as you'd like. Thieves, like Americans, come in all colors.

Swede....please return to Sweden...you've overstayed your welcome !!

Hey Swede

I hope someone puts all of your personal info on a billboard and someone steals your identity .... as if anyone would want to be you. Committing a crime is not an excuse for fighting crime. It is just a lazy shortcut toward "justice".

Allen:

Would you like to be required to walk around with your birth certificate and naturalization papers on a daily basis in your own country to produce whenever asked because you look suspicious (dark skin and hair etc.)? I can understand having to carry a passport in a foreign country for a short trip, but even there you are not generally being looked upon as a possible criminal and you aren't usually asked to show a passport to an official unless you are entering or exiting a country. They don't otherwise bother you. The reason you don't scream racism is because those countries don't have a red hot immigration issue going on and they aren't putting you in the hot seat.

We are just lucky so far that violence wasn't involved, but that does not mean that it couldn't happen like that even now. Take that list with all the personal data on it, even their home addresses--if your name were on the list, would you feel safe knowing there are probably people out there who have that list who are angry and might try to take the law into their own hands if the government doesn't take action? What would stop a "concerned citizen" from gunning down some of those alleged illegals? There is great potential here for an escalation to violence. Many of these posting for this and other articles are full of expressions of hate and threats of violence. If it were my name on the list I would consider my life to be in danger. I would not sleep at night.

Swede

Two wrongs don't make a right. Who do you think the local gendarmerie will scrutinize closely when they stop them for traffic violations: people that look like you if in fact you are Swedish, or someone who has what i would call a Mediterranean complexion? And to post personal information including date of birth and SS numbers is a violation of the law! I guess it is OK to assume those people are guilty until and unless they are definitely proven innocent. Jerk!

Dick_NH, I second that. He obviously knows nothing of US history or the US Justice system.

Has any of these people been proven or charged as being “illegal aliens… no, but it really doesn’t matter as long as someone with an agenda suggests they are.

"Herbert said the state is not investigating the names on the list."

While I don't condone what they did I can see why they were frustrated with the states complacency.

I agree Swede! Everyone else are fools.... Keep throwing you money at them if you want them here!

"Herbert said the state is not investigating the names on the list."

While I don't condone what they did I can see why they were frustrated with the states complacency.

Ever hear of "fruit from the poison tree"? Since this list of names was compiled by state employees illegally, even if the state investigated the people on the list and found every one of them were actually illegal immigrants, the state could do nothing about it because the evidence was obtained illegally. These employees tied the state's hands with this, and effectively gave these people what amounts to amnesty. This is why amateurs shouldn't be doing the job of professional law enforcement. Pros know when a warrant is needed to obtain information so it can be used in legal proceedings such as deportation hearings.

Good for those employees!!! We need more citizen participation.

Yeah Swede, just like the German people worked together to get rid of those pesky Jews.

Americans are quickly becoming fascists; leaning towards a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

I wouldn't mind, I have nothing to hide! The only thing I fear is being set-up, but even that would be hard to do.

Choconet

The point of freedom is NOT that if you don't give it up you must have something to hide. Not many of us would be pleased to let these vigilantes give our personal information to anyone else.

Question for you, Choc. If I don't want my social security number, name and address released to the public, does that mean you think I have something to hide? You are not rational and you don't have much respect for the Constitution either.

Illegal immigrants do not belong in the US.

Do some of you decline to do your research? LOL. These people on The List were already identified as Illegal Aliens. There are been assertions by two of them that they had papers but I haven’t read anything about their having produced them. And you people feel you would suffer if you were required to have proof of citizenship on you at all times?

Well I have news for yews.

Ninety-nine and 44/100% of you reading this DO THAT ALREADY! Can you cash a check without your Driver's License? Can you drive your vehicle without that handy dandy IDENTIFICATION? It has your photo and fingerprints on it. Have you ever been stopped by a law officer for a broken tail light? Or not having your seat belt fastened? And did he just glance at it and wave you on your way? Or did he go back to his vehicle and run the data on it?

The interminable question on this issue is... What part of "illegal" can you not define? So, again: it means criminal. Breaking the law. The data base used to assemble The List is admitted by the Utah officials that it's a list of illegal aliens only part of which had "Hispanic" names. And then they put two of their own employees on "administrative leave" (for snitching) who had access to their data base. So, this certainly isn’t casual bunkum.

Tell me this. One thousand three hundred names, carefully enumerated, are not exactly an impulsive task. What on earth would be the motivation of (two employees and possibly more) risking their jobs without substantial evidence for their subject matter.

Rather a large risk for something trivial and not exactly a cui bono for them, would you say?

THEY - who released the information ARE CRIMINALS TOO!! WAKE UP! They are not patriots for singling out people who are ALSO here legally. TRUE Americans help people that need it, not push them off our shores. That's what's wrong with this country - way too much selfishness and too many people wanting to be in charge when they haven't learned how to follow.

You're the misguided individual. Don't you people read or is it just selective reading. You totally miss the part that there are people on that list who are in the Country LEGALLY. What about their rights. They've been slandered and their lives endangered by some overzealous yahoos who broke the law.

Zoeysmom,

"You totally miss the part that there are people on that list who are in the Country LEGALLY."

No, the article states: "The anonymous mailing demands that those on the list be deported, although some named have said they are in the country legally."

He said she said.

So, Lightning Rod, I guess you'll have no complaints with having your last 10 years of tax returns made public for all of us to look over? And your phone tapped (no warrant required)? Mind posting your Social Security number and the names of all your close family members here online? Because, you know, if you're not an illegal, you shouldn't have any problems with that.

Great point Zoeysmom! If endangering people's lives is the way we resolve our disagreements, we may as well live in Iran or install the Taliban into our government. Immigrants are all people... I said PEOPLE... HUMANS. If someone cannot have compassion for another person's struggle, we are a doomed society no matter who's in charge.

You totally miss the part that there are people on that list who are in the Country LEGALLY. What about their rights....

Then those people cans sue the people that released the list as well as the state for not adequately protecting their privacy. However, the state and the feds should be investigating all the names on the list to see if any are illegal immigrants. But they are not. They are only deciding whether to charge the state employees with a crime. Those that released the list should be prosecuted only for each record that was released where the person was here legally. As for the remainder on the list, that are here illegally, why are they recieving foods stamps and not being deported?

I live in Utah and some of those people were proven to be here legally. These state employees make me sick. Without immigration none of you would be here.

The list of "illegals" is a list that the public assistance group gets where the Social Security number is rejected for various reason. These reasons can be the number / name do not match up. The number has been used by multiple individuals or the number is invalid. None of these reasons can definitively say the person is in the Country illegally. Therefore some of the people on the list could be her legallly but had reasons for the SS# being rejected like getting married and their name changed. They put down the wrong SS#. This is why some of the people are here legally eventhough they are on the list. If you read the article you would see -

Herbert said there are two benefits administered by the state — food stamps and prenatal care — that would provide information that could indicate someone is in the country illegally

This means that this people may or may not be here illegally. It does not state that the government group has a list that specifically says which are in fact here illegally. These employees violated the trust of the American people and should be punished accordingly. People who were on the list may not want others to know they are having finacial hardships and now their rights have been violated. This government agency does not investigate these issues because they are not a policing agency. They are set up to help with assistance for the poor. The information is turned over to other agencies which then choose to investigate based on the information provided. Agencies like the INS and IRS are better suited to deal with these types of issues.

These employees should be fired and punished by the governing agencies.

I do believe anyone illegal should be deported however this method is not the manner in which to do it. How would you guys like common citizens pulling over drivers that were speeding or that had a tail light out. Chaos would rein.

I guess actually there were 4 wrongs that don't make it right: #3 is your stupidity!!! #4 Is the local govt. of Utah and the Federal Govt. knowing and hiding the fact that they knew these individuals were here illegally in this Country and not doing their Govt.job again!!!! They are collecting services and fundings that the American Tax Payers have paid in for the legal American People that have lost their jobs, homes, automobiles and many other things that they need help for!!!! No, this is not a good situation, but I think the legal part of it is. Let them come in through the "FRONT DOOR" like my parents and many others did !!!!!! No one is denying them entrance, just do it "LEGALLY" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stupid, if they were hard working immigrants why are they receiveing benefits.

Robert, there are plenty of hard-working people in this country (both legal and not) who work very hard but who are still eligible for benefits. Ever tried supporting a family of four on minimum wage?

It is every citizens responsibility to uphold the law.

Yes, it is. It is EVERY citizen's responsibility---including those who illegally obtained and disseminated the information about people they suspected of being illegal immigrants.

equalrightslover

I live in Utah and some of those people were proven to be here legally.

From the article:

Herbert said the state is not investigating the names on the list.

How were they proven to be there legally if nobody investigated it with the legal authority to verify government documents? A reporter can't do that. If they did, they need to go to jail too.

So...the government has access to a list. How about if they start doing something about it

RoughBusa--I agree

Svenolafson--are you saying that you don't believe the people who said they are here illegally? Your statement is a little ambiguous--he said she said.

am REALLY beginning to like that AZ Governor!!
Phoenix Suns

This is after the Phoenix Suns were protesting the new law in AZ:
Much has been said against AZ's move to do the Federal Government's job.
...The following was sent by a friend and pokes fun at the Suns.
To see where it came from, you'll understand when you see the last line.

"What if the owners of the Suns discovered that hordes
of people were sneaking into games without paying?

What if they had a good idea who the gate crashers are, but the
ushers and security personnel were not allowed to ask these folks to

produce their ticket stubs, thus non-paying attendees couldn't be ejected.

Furthermore, what if Suns' ownership was expected to provide
those who sneaked in with complimentary eats and drink?

And what if, on those days when a gate-crasher became ill or
injured, the Suns had to provide free medical care and shelter?"

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@ LIghtning Rod-412029... It must be so nice to be an idiot.

Everybody is missing something. They say some of the people on this list are here legally, if so, that means they have checked the list and know who is illegal! So, if some are legal than most are illegal. Furthermore if they could make that determination this fast, than not deporting all the illegals is a choice not a matter of difficulty.

Boston Butch

How do you know they are getting food stamps?? Speaking of food is your white ass gonna be out in the fields, bent over hand picking the fruit and veggies you eat every day.....I think not!

Did you read the article? Obviously you didn't or are too illiterate to understand what you read as the article states.... "Herbert said there are two benefits administered by the state — food stamps and prenatal care — that would provide information that could indicate someone is in the country illegally."

So, they may be here illegally and are getting food stamps and prenatal care on the tax payers' expense?!?

As for the rest of your comment....you're obviously racist for assuming I'm white and assuming only illegals work in the agricultural industry in the U.S.

While I don't know this for sure, it appears from the people who are checking the list are the media who were also sent copies. The stories on msnbc and the SLC newpaper website I checked weren't very clear on who was doing the checking.

Illegal immigrants do not belong in the US.

I do not see how anyone can call them vigilantes. They did not string up or assault anyone. Do you call someone who has information about a crime and reports it to police a vigilante?

Did the people produce and distribute the list commit a crime? Probably, but one would wonder if whistle blower statutes can come into play. If an (Government or private) organization that you work for knowingly abets/supports a crime, isn’t it the responsibility of members of that organization to report it. Isn’t that often done by a whistle blower via the press to bring public condemnation of the act and right a wrong? Are we to condemn these “whistle blowers” because we do not agree on them publicizing information about the support the state and/or federal government gives to illegal immigrates?

It has been stated that there are legal immigrates on the list and therefore they could sue the releasers of the list? I am curious as to the grounds. Slander? Are individuals libel when the statements they make are based on what they are believed as fact? (I do not know the criteria they used to select the information from the Utah database.) If the information was stored incorrectly (that somehow that individuals who were in the country legally but were flagged as an illegal) isn’t the issue more about why does the state government classify incorrectly those individuals who are in the country legally? Are all individuals who report a crime or provide witness testimony and believing they are correct, but as a result of further investigation by the appropriate authorities found to be incorrect because of misunderstanding or mistaken identity sued? Now if the people who produced the list added names of individuals knowing they were in the country legally to cause them harm, then I think one would have a legal basis to sue.

According to Herbert: There are only two areas where people can access information about ILLEGALS: those who are receiving prenatal care through Medicaid, and those whose children are U.S. citizens and qualify for food stamps, health care, and other assistance.

So, OK, got it: The unlucky unemployed American citizens find ONLY limited unemployment benefits.

Let's get more precise on that "Free assistance" Herbert is speaking about for Illegal criminals, which includes unlimited:

Free food stamps (well, "stamps" are on a welfare debit card nowadays), Free Medicaid, Free health care (Free eye care & Free dental care, & other health issues for Free), Free utilities for their Free apt, Free child care, Free education, Free cellphones with Free 100-minutes/month (ever wondered why an illegal's phone number keeps changing??? now you know), Free monthly cash for gasoline, and other FREE welfare benefits.

Well, free is not to the hard working American citizens, since working Americans pay over $113 Billion each year to support the ILLEGAL criminals!

And when we need assistance there is a 9 year wait or something.

Folks we need a new leader a man with an Iron fist. Opening the IRS is the key and I mean before they can destroy the evidence.

We cant fix a black box but together we can fix a black box with the cover off.

It certainly looks like the time is nearing for that.

What lies in those records most likely would bring most hard working men to tears

I suggest that the list revealers should be deported to someplace nice.

Somalia, maybe.

Perhaps they could get themselves on a list in Somalia to see how it feels.

We are calling the record theft a crime even though it was purely being used to report widespread crime. Fascinating! Or not really.

NO AMNESTY, NO SURRENDER. That is Spartan law.

Laws smaws, does anybody really care anymore.

Hank, most people that will post here will say that these 2 are REAL Americans. that couldn't be further from the truth. They simply have an agenda that wants all Mexicans out of the US even people with Mexican ancestry. That is not being a REAL American.

Everyone cares about the law when it suits their agenda. Other times, not so much.

Hey "Ahetch", what makes you think those on the list were ALL Mexicans? How would you know this? Could you have seen the list? You have completely exposed the simple minded thinking with regards to illegal immigration. By your comments you are stating that the only illegal immigrants we have in the US are from Mexico. This is farther from the truth. However, the group that does complain the loudest about laws against illegal immigration (i.e. Hispanics) must have something to hide so on the other hand, you could be correct.

In the end, what these individuals did was not right. However, it also exposed how far removed the goverment is from this issue in that they have information that can be used (properly) to resolve the issue of illegal immigration.

They were all Hispanic. I live in Utah. How many of you do?

The article DO NOT say "MEXICANS", it said ILLEGALS! The quickest way in is through Mexico. The illegals are from world wide! Give the employee's a medal for reporting the problem that the feds won't fix!

Ahetch

They simply have an agenda that wants all Mexicans out of the US even people with Mexican ancestry.

What the hell is wrong with you? People like you have destroyed the true cause of ending racism in this country by screaming wolf about it all the time. Is that your agenda? To get minorities back where they were 50 yrs ago by crying wolf repeatedly til people can't hear the legitimate accusations? I hear it so often that I don't believe any of them any more.

I didn't get to take the major I wanted in college because they had to meet a quota of minorities to adhere to affirmative action. There were empty seats in classes but I was refused because I was a white male. After that I don't want to hear crap about people feeling all violated because an officer asks to see their ID when they have probable cause. Skin color is not probable cause and you know it.

equalrightslover--does living in Utah make you privy to what went on with the release of the names? How do you know what is true and untrue there; do you believe everything you hear? And yours isn't the only state with an immigrant problem. You aren't unique or have priveleged knowledge any more than the rest of us.

What is not right is the way our governments decide on which laws are illegal and will not be enforced and which laws are illegal and will be enforced.

Either enforce ALL LAWS or close all of the police stations, criminal courts and prisons and just do away with our justice system altogether.

Laws are Laws ! ! ! !

The gays had publicized a list of straights' names who had voted against gay marriage. But you didn't hear a peep from liberals, the media, or from elected Dem representatives!!!

How about the woman in Ohio who leaked Joe the Plumber documents? Your DEMS don't see anything wrong there, either!!

In Cleveland, a list was posted of names and addresses of people who LEGALLY obtained Concealed Carry permits. NO outrage from liberals or the ACLU!!!

Now the media and liberals are outraged of the list of ILLEGALS in Utah. Even more pathetic is when an ILLEGAL woman says that if she's deported, she will be separated from her child. Take the child with you; you deceived, scammed, and abused hard working Americans to obtain a slot ILLEGALLY. You cheated those from countries who are trying to enter the USA the LEGAL way.

Go AZ!! Go Utah!!

2 wrongs dont make a right but evidence in this case shows that both parties are breaking the law.

Our own government is worse they are doing it with our tax money as well.

That is absolutely right, they are using stolen S/S Cards, but that's o.k. what the hell, let them break the laws. What a damned joke!!! Sorry, but the U.S. has it priorities seriously screwed up!!

Illegals don't have social security numbers sherlock.

How do you know that these people aren't legal citizens? Sure, some of them are probably not, but I'll bet you that a lot of them are. How exactly did these people uncover that these people who have social security numbers are illegal? Was it the fact that they had Hispanic names and needed social services? Authorities have even said (in this very article) that some of the people on the list were wrongly singled out. I don't care what your motives are, what those state employees did was a breech of the public trust and theft of services (for using state time, money and resources to further personal political goals).

When the Constitution was written the founding fathers envisioned the rights granted therein as inherent to all human beings, and believed that they applied to all people, not just the ones lucky enough to be born here. All of the people on that list are entitled to due process, which this was not. It is intimidation and harassment and I would not be shocked to find out that it was racially motivated, making it a hate crime as well.

We sell our country as a land of freedom and opportunity, then make it nearly impossible for anyone to get in. Maybe if we want to keep illegals out we should just start an "America Sucks" campaign. We can focus on how political polarization and intolerance has made it nearly impossible for any decent legislation to be passed, how awful our economy is, and then we can follow it up with the, "Even I Go to Mexico When I Am Trying to Escape the American Grind" campaign. We can put GW on the poster with a big thumbs up on the beaches of Puerto Vallarta.

Illegals do have stolen SS numbers.

super_grrrrl78- freedom is not free... that is the most common mistake people like you don't understand. While in the Army, I met my wife overseas and we did all the paperwork and paid our dues. Now she is a proud American citizen. For us people in this country and their offspring they produce to anchor themselves here is despicable. Its a slap in the face to us and the American dream. Nobody talked about how people feel that legally immigrate here. @!$%# the illegal's. So if they suspect us of being illegal then fine, they look it up and see we are good to go and we carry on our way. Deport them all and their children.....

Illegals BUY and STEAL identities every day! It's amazing what a good copy machine will do.

There was a story a few months ago on MSN about a lady who had her identity stolen and was being used by an illegal immigrant. He was putting money away in a 401K that she also had and turned out also had bought a house, cars, and credit cards with her number. What happened, no body wanted to help her.

What part of "kids born in America are US citizens" don't you understand? Or haven't you read that Constitution you keep saying you're defending? The kids on the list are getting food stamps and benefits LEGALLY. It's a CRIME to publish their personal information. So there is only one set of criminals here - the ones you are defending.

Dear Diane.....These are "facts" not in evidence. Are you familiar with the concept of due process?

People like me don't understand. HA! My husband served 3 years in Afghanistan, and has been military for more than 16 years. My brother has done 2 tours to Iraq and was awarded the Bronze Star for Valor in Combat. Not only that, I have a sister-in law AND a brother-in-law who are naturalized citizens. So when you are talking about "people like me" perhaps you should look a little deeper into what you are accusing me of. I love America. I think America is a great place. I think it is a great place because of the Constitution. It really bothers me how much political polarization has driven our country to a standstill. It bothers me that my father-in-law uses the word "Republican" the way racists toss around the N-word. It is literally the worst insult in his mind that he can throw at a person. "I'll bet you voted for Bush!" I hate that people blow up abortion clinics and believe that they are saving lives by taking lives. This country has become a parody of itself and every time I vote I hope that the person who takes their place in whatever office while apply themselves to their jobs with a level head and pay less attention to party-line voting.

My point was that there really wasn't any way to know how many of those people on the lists are in fact illegal. I don't think that they should be harassed because people with no moral fortitude don't like illegal immigrants. I don't like that they are here illegally any more than anyone else, and if discovered then yes, they should be deported. BUT the motives of the people who put the list together are so incredibly questionable (not to mention that their actions were illegal), that I don't think that the list should be given any weight or be used to further terrorize the people who are on it.

Utah is in the works to pass their own immigration law, and at that time THEN the state can use the resources at their disposal to uncover illegal immigrants. But as it stands right now, what happened was wrong.

Chris Gilliard

Illegals don't have social security numbers sherlock.

Is that why you're against deporting illegals? Because you don't understand even the most basic problems with it? How do you think they get jobs or government aid? You do realize there's such a thing as fake or stolen identity, right?

Want proof? Here's a liberal news article spinning it as a bad thing that illegals pay into Social Security. How do you think they do that without a social security number, Sherlock?
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html

He belongs to a big club. As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.

That article is 5 years old too.

Good points. For those of you that immigrated here legally or your spouses did so are failing to realize is you would be candidates to be on this list made by the Utah employees.

am REALLY beginning to like that AZ Governor!!
Phoenix Suns

This is after the Phoenix Suns were protesting the new law in AZ:
Much has been said against AZ's move to do the Federal Government's job.
...The following was sent by a friend and pokes fun at the Suns.
To see where it came from, you'll understand when you see the last line.

"What if the owners of the Suns discovered that hordes
of people were sneaking into games without paying?

What if they had a good idea who the gate crashers are, but the
ushers and security personnel were not allowed to ask these folks to

produce their ticket stubs, thus non-paying attendees couldn't be ejected.

Furthermore, what if Suns' ownership was expected to provide
those who sneaked in with complimentary eats and drink?

And what if, on those days when a gate-crasher became ill or
injured, the Suns had to provide free medical care and shelter?"

posted by: Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on FaceBook
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Since we don't know the real state of legal or illegal or what if anything those people on the list might have done, it would be better if everyone tampered down. Making the list and publishing it was illegal. That for sure needs investigation and prosecution. Too many posters are accusing the people on the list of things that are simply not known to be true. Imagination and truth are not the same. All of these negative comments and threats of violence are a sad commentary on our current culture. I think the whole direction we've taken about immigration is deeply regrettable and seems to be getting worse. It wouldn't suprise me if we ended up in another civil war with every street in America awash with blood.

Perhaps the folks in this discussion should be able to read the earlier article that gave information they don't have.

First, The List was assembled by a data base that hundreds of people had access to. It apparently did not have a Security block.

Second, it was my understanding the data base already identified which persons were illegal aliens.

Third, the persons, employees of the Workforce Services, who were identified as two of those who had compiled The List, had legitimate access to the data base.

(I am irked that the “work force” data base included names of verified illegals, certainly showing the Utah officials knew who were, and who were not illegals.) “Workforce Services” provided food stamps “and other public benefits” to its data base clientele. Work and Welfare, Incorporated?

Now, I should like to share what a friend of mine, a Constitutional Lawyer, suggested to me. It is legally challengeable that babies born to illegal aliens here in the United States are "citizens." He quoted our 14th Amendment (ratified in 1868):

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." If the baby is not subject to "thereof" (the United States :) ), then they are not "born" as American citizens.

He pointed out that the parent(s) are "illegal" because they are citizens of another country. Therefore, the illegal parentage is subject to the jurisdiction of the country in which the parents actually are citizens.

Thus, their babies are subject to their jurisdiction, not America's. Their country's laws, like ours for us, come first for the illegals giving those country's their allegiance, not the United States. Our own citizenship laws provide the same for us citizens if we have a baby abroad. Our baby is under the same jurisdiction as we are, and therefore become American also.

The countries we are dealing with, especially Mexico, have the jurisdiction and our laws do not let us override another country's jurisdiction.

So, the "anchor babies" do not anchor any entitlements to their parents at all, according to this legal interpretation. It would be an act of compassion to transport parent and child back to Mexico. A newborn nurses so the baby will be OK. The parent(s) have been documented as sending $$ back to "family" in Mexico; they, their family, or their country should cover the expense of transport and reimburse us.

But transport we must do. Or give the win to the invaders' foot-soldiers, the illegals themselves, and turn over the West Coast states, the southern border states, and Utah and Colorado as The Nation of Aztlan. http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

I do not, nor want to, learn to speak Spanish.

You're right punish all the law breakers. But again amnesty is clear since the presumed list of illegals will not be investigated. If your not going to charge illegal aliens, then back off your own citizens.

No one has accused these people of using stolen SS numbers. Their children are American citizens (as set forth in the Constitution you purport to hold so dear.) That's why they're getting food stamps. Are you advocating for starving American children? Nice, Christian, God-fearing lot, aren't you? As long as the handouts go to people who look like you.

You seem to have overlooked the fact that states publish the names of men they consider deadbeat dad using information in state databases. What makes some of you think all these guys are guilty? Some of them may be innocent, too, but that does not stop the state from posting their names. Sorry for all you ignorant people, but I'm with Diane Brown. Furthermore, if it takes a few vigilantes to clean up this country, sign me up.

Names of deadbeat dads aren't published unless they've had their day in court to defend themselves. They're guilty, if you believe in the American justice system. None of the people on the list that was published in Utah have been accused of any crime. Get it? There's a difference.

I think that lightning got struck a time or two too many in the head.

Are you advocating for starving American children? Nice, Christian, God-fearing lot, aren't you? As long as the handouts go to people who look like you.

Ah. The old "let's make up what those who disagree with me think and make it the worst possible thing" backup plan for when you're losing a debate.

Nobody is advocating for starving American children. The only one who even thought of doing that was you. That's an absurd accusation if you know anything about what Christian volunteers do with their spare time.

RealAmericansFirst

Names of deadbeat dads aren't published unless they've had their day in court to defend themselves.

Careful now. You're revealing that you don't read newspapers or research what you believe. Ever hear the list of people who were arrested on the radio or read it in the paper? That's the following day and weeks or even months before the trial. Even if you don't read the paper or listen to local news, how do you explain all of us hearing about what Michael Jackson, Mel Gibson, Tiger Woods, etc were charged with before being convicted?

McCarthyism without McCarthy… Joe would be so proud of you people.

I learned early on that vigilante "justice" isn't justice at all. It is not right for people to exact their own brand of justice outside of the law. If there was a concern about people who were likely illegals, they should have called INS. INS would have investigated and their investigation would at least have been legal. This was more about sensationalism and terrorism than anything else. We don't need vigilantes. Vigilantes belong in jail. We need law abiding citizens who treat others with respect and compassion. I understand that people are upset about their taxpayer dollars being spent on social services for illegal immigrants. We have a lot of problems in our country that the money could be going to instead. But at the same time, it is not right to anonymously terrorize people who may or may not be illegal. If these people really stood behind what they did, they would have signed their names to it. Cowards.

Hey!

82AllAmericans!

Who you calling "you people?" They ain't nobody but US people! And we all don't know no Jo McCarthyism. Don't know who you think you talking to but you get your head beat in talking like that..."you people" I got your "you people." I'll give "your people" a education a kiddygartner understands!

The babies born here to illegal aliens are not American citizens. They are the same citizizenship as their parents. This is affirmed by Amendment 14 of the Bill of Rights. See Post #5.15 above.

Then investigate the names on the list and deport the ones that are here illegally, because as Hank said and you quoted him to support your point, "breaking the law is breaking the law." Just because some on the list are not illegal does not mean all on the list are not illegal. Why is aren't they investigating every name on the list?

First of all if you are a legal immigrant and you are collect any welfare you lose your status and must return to your country of origin.... Fun fact for those that do not know the system!

GimDan

First of all if you are a legal immigrant and you are collect any welfare you lose your status and must return to your country of origin.... Fun fact for those that do not know the system!

Didn't know that so I went and googled 'legal immigrant welfare'. Guess what? All the hits talk about how $11-22 billion a year is spent on legal immigrants for welfare and that you're wrong. Why is it all these people in favor of entitlements or screaming racism over illegals keep spewing misinformation? Why is it this generation can't friggin grasp the concept of using google to verify information before you make a fool of yourself in public?

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8

Some people mistakenly think that immigrants are not eligible for welfare. Several years ago, Congress did attempt to render immigrants ineligible for most forms of welfare. However, subsequent backpedaling by Congress and the executive branch has undone most of those reforms.

...

The sponsorship income level, only 25 percent higher than the poverty level, is so low that it does not prevent immigrants from going on welfare; in fact, it almost guarantees it.

...

Furthermore, numerous forms of welfare are not considered under the public charge test, including food stamps, pre-natal care, nutrition programs, housing assistance, energy assistance, job training programs, child care services, free or reduced school lunch, public shelters, health clinics, Medicaid, and any cash welfare programs that are not the family’s sole source of income.

Allen, have you checked the credentials of that website? It reeks of "special interest group" to me and the Activists are very busy. They have a host of sites up all not only one-sided, but some downright untrue. However, the links to the Constitutions of La Raza and MEChA are worth a look all of you.

Or try this one: http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

Gim Dan, give us your verifying link, too, would you? It actually sounds more plausible from my researches of Immigration Law. I hadn't come across it, but then I was looking for specifics and my key words worked for what i was seeking.

SecondSight - I hope these legit sites will help you:

1. 1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
   Verify at: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8
   
   2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
   Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML
   
   3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
2. Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML
   
   4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
   Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt..0.HTML

   5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
   Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

   6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

3. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/%20TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

   7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
   Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML%3E;
   
   8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
   Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.HTML

   9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
   Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSC%20RI%20PTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML
   
   10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US .
   Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn..com/TRANscriptS/0606/12/ldt..01.HTML
   
   11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries.. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the US from the Southern border.
   Verify at: Homeland Security Report:
   
   12. The National policy Institute estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
   Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute..org/PDF/deportation.PDF
   
   13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.
   Verify at: http://www/..rense.com/general75/niht.htm

   14.The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .
   Verify at: http: // www.drdsk.com/articleshtml < ww http: articleshtml%3E; www.drdsk.com>;%20w.drdsk.com/articleshtml

   The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IF YOU'RE LIKE ME, HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS $338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY

agreed, and also everyone that worked in that office and has been approving the illegals should be charged as well.

Can't have it both ways....or can you.

And the illegals who stole the SSNs should get free visas.... we have some really disturbed anti American thinkers in America.

hell, give them all American Express cards too.

Laws are there for reasons. These two "public servants" should be charged with 1400 counts of felony misuse of public records....

No, they should not be charged with 1400 counts of felongy misuse of public records. They should only be charged with the number of counts where they released private information such as DOB or SSN's. Names, addresses, and phone numbers are public information in the public domain (telephone books and directories). Also, for each illegal on the list, one count should be removed because they are here illegally. Only charge them for the names on the list that are not illegal.

Bill--right on!

sjgc... you mean right off! don't you?

Bill, would you please let the president know this.

Second sight, maybe you need glasses?

Let's put your name on the list and see what happens. hahaha

Hey, Buthead! I'm a liberal that believes what these 2 people did was right. Don't assume that liberal thinking people all think that being in the u.s. illegally is OK!

Liberals defend our Constitutional rights. Like the right not being held without charges, to not have your phone wiretapped without a warrant, and to not have your private information published by some zealot on a mission without your permission. If you think you're a liberal and still support what these criminals did, you are smoking something.

RealAmericansFirst

Liberals defend our Constitutional rights. Like the right not being held without charges, to not have your phone wiretapped without a warrant

Really? So why did all of the Democrats vote to invoke it and renew it twice? Why are they still using it when they've had 2 house majorities for over 3 years and all 3 houses for 18 months? Do you even know why you vote Democrat or is it all based on assumptions or being misled by others?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy

On January 23, 2009, the administration of President Barack Obama adopted the same position as his predecessor when it urged U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker to set aside a ruling in Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation et al. v. Obama, et al.^[38] The Obama administration also sided with the former administration in its legal defense of July, 2008 legislation that immunized the nation's telecommunications companies from lawsuits accusing them of complicity in the eavesdropping program, according to testimony by Attorney General Eric Holder.^[39]

I'm with you ahetch, let's put Diane Brown on the list.

Allen, you do realize that January 23, 2009 was two days after Obama took office, right? The Justice Dept. was already in the case and had been making those arguments since long before Obama took over. The government is like a big ship - it takes a while to change course. But at least we voted to change course and not keep sailing off the cliff.

We Rock & Roll!!!!!

you first sjgc lol or whatever that stands for!

I'm sure that they believe that they did no wrong. I can understand why they did it but they do deserve to be fired at the very least. They used a position of trust that they have in their jobs to send this information out. Even if every name on the list turns out to be someone that is illegal, they still did wrong. They took the risk knowing full well if they were caught that they would be fired. I applaud their conviction in putting their jobs on the line for what they believe in. I hope ICE used the list instead of just ignoring it.

They had a legitimate access to the data base which identified those who were illegals. The ones who should be fired are the Governor and the Director of the Workforces... who supplied food stamps and "public benefits" to known illegals.

Aiding and abetting is also a crime. If "those two" had not done their duty, they, as staff members, would be aiding and abetting also.

They did what they had to do, and they were obeying the law. The ones who put them on administrative leave were not. They should be fired by .... hmm the State's Legislature.

Wow! I wonder, is there a lawyer in the house? If the uncooperative Governors.. and, er, Congressmen... goodness all the way to the top?... are aiding and abetting the criminals which is what the illegals are... where do we go from here?

Interesting!

Second Sight,

That is why we have the power of citizen's arrest. Make sure a cop is handy to take care of reading rights and taking them into custody. Make sure you know EXACTLY what crime/offense you are going to charge them with. If the cop refuses to arrest your governor then get his badge number and sue him and his police force, and make a big deal about dereliction of duty (of the cop AND the governor) in the newspapers and other media. When police won't perform their duties I think you are also supposed to report them to the FBI and/or the US Marshall's office. It just takes a pair of balls.

Because their children are American citizens, according to the US Constitution. So they're eligible for food stamps. If you're going to spend time screaming about defending the Constitution you should actually read it first and know what it means.

Fine. Keep the kids and put them up for adoption and send the parents back to where they came from.

I suppose you'll be taking in a few? You know, foster care is really expensive - way more than food stamps.

smokeem... you are not a liberal.

RealAmericansFirst, you do realize how long the waiting list is for adoptions, right? How could you not know that after the stories of the orphanages after the earquake and how it was going to put delays on American couples gaining custody?

Allen - then why are there over 500,000 children in US foster care already? Could it be because 2/3 of them are African American? So you want to add a whole bunch of latino kids in there, too, because you deported their parents? That's so logical. Do you know how much foster care costs? A whole lot more than food stamps.

RealAmericaFirst Actually the Constitution does not say the babies are citizens at all. The parents are the citizens of the the country which has their loyalty, why we call them illegals. The baby is the citizenship of the parents.

See Post #5.15 and a subsequent comment pointing out the same thing by another poster, put up earlier in the day.

White Americans are soooo afraid that they might become the minority, they are willing to send people of Mexican ancestry out of the country.

All that this shows is that those out there calling for the laws to be upheld are some of the main ones holding the established laws of this country in contempt.They were wrong to do this. There is no other way to look at it rationally. Let someone publish their information see how they all squeal like the pigs they are.

Ahetch

White Americans are soooo afraid that they might become the minority, they are willing to send people of Mexican ancestry out of the country.

You, sir, are a racist. Why do you hate white people so much?

ahetch.... could it be because our "white" ancestry was here before Mexico? the area occupied by Mexico today belonged to Spain until 1821... you know, the European country? So were the Vikings (earlier) in Iceland and their spotty explorations here and there west. And there is evidence that Celtic Traders (aka Irish :) ) were there for a look-see at Central America in the 5th or 6th Centuries. Soooo guess what.. Northern Europeans there before Columbus.

Mexico likes to use the word "indigenous" to rely on, but I have to disappoint them there also. About 20,000 years ago tribes of humans from Outer Mongolia began journeying over the Bering Land Bridge (now the Bering Straits... lol global warming! odd.. no fossil fuels burnt back then! ooops different debate LOLOL).

They settled in what is now Alaska, (Eskimos ancestry) and tribes broke off strolling south into Canada, then into the area of the United states...

... and after quite a few millennia later, trickled ever southward.. and lo and behold dropped off tribes even more millennia later to establish the Aztec, Mayan, and Inca cultures. Unfortunately, when the Spanish explorers came looking around, they were massecred and their cultures destroyed.

Spain, Mediterranean Europe, became Head Honchos. But Mexicans rebelled, and in 1831 became independent...

By then, the United States of America was established. And since our Indigenous folks were earlier than Mexico's Indigenous, even if there were any left, ours were first.

The United States was a sovereign nation in 1776.

Us first guys.

And, of course.. we PAID Mexico for the south of Arizona and a third of the lower part of New Mexico in 1853 ... called the Gadsden Purchase... about $240,000,000.00 in today's dollars.

Sorry pro-illegal faction. You are wrong... sigh... again.

Ahetch,

No, we are willing to send ANYONE who came into this country illegally out. That some of us are white doesn't enter into the matter except for people who are trying to play the race card. That even YOU refer to them as Mexicans instead of Americans tells me you know the truth but are trying to bullsh/t everybody here. Back to the remedial debate class for you!

Yeah so all of you hateful repugs can be shutup and sent into obscurity.

Exactly Chris. What I find amusing is the Dems/Liberals/Progressives have had control of the House, Senate, and the Presidency and have done nothing but screw things up. It reminds me of a 15 year old who's parents allow him to stay home alone for a weekend so they can go on a little get-away. They come back to find a car stuck halfway in their living room and half in the bushes, drunken teens passed out all over the lawn, their furniture on the roof and two squad cars in the drive. What a bunch of ef-ups! Guess what Chris? Those parents will not trust their kid with their house for a very long time. :D

You do realize that the vast majority of that deficit you're so worried about was caused by the Bush tax cuts and the wars he started, right? If he and Dick are the "parents" you're talking about, I'll go with the kids any day. At least you can teach a young dog some new tricks.

RealAmericansFirst
You do realize that the vast majority of that deficit you're so worried about was caused by the Bush tax cuts and the wars he started, right?

Keep saying it enough and maybe it'll become true. At the very least, maybe people will forget the actual documents exist that show what's in bills that were passed by Democrats and Republicans alike for the last few decades that caused the deficit.

And Bush didn't start the war in Afghanistan. Planes flying into buildings did. The Iraq war was being begged for by Democrats since the Bush Sr years. They realize their voter base is easily manipulated and won't look up facts or videos on youtube so they just claimed they were always against it. How you still believe that is just amazing.

That is according to the Congressional Budget Office. You might want to try doing your homework - here's a good article to get you started:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/business/economy/10leonhardt.html?_r=1

The story of today's deficits starts in January 2001, as President Bill Clinton was leaving office. The Congressional Budget Office estimated then that the government would run an average annual surplus of more than $800 billion a year from 2009 to 2012. Today, the government is expected to run a $1.2 trillion annual deficit in those years.

You can think of that roughly $2 trillion swing as coming from four broad categories: the business cycle, President George W. Bush's policies, policies from the Bush years that are scheduled to expire but that Mr. Obama has chosen to extend, and new policies proposed by Mr. Obama.

The first category — the business cycle — accounts for 37 percent of the $2 trillion swing. It's a reflection of the fact that both the 2001 recession and the current one reduced tax revenue, required more spending on safety-net programs and changed economists' assumptions about how much in taxes the government would collect in future years.

About 33 percent of the swing stems from new legislation signed by Mr. Bush. That legislation, like his tax cuts and the Medicare prescription drug benefit, not only continue to cost the government but have also increased interest payments on the national debt.

Mr. Obama's main contribution to the deficit is his extension of several Bush policies, like the Iraq war and tax cuts for households making less than $250,000. Such policies — together with the Wall Street bailout, which was signed by Mr. Bush and supported by Mr. Obama — account for 20 percent of the swing.

About 7 percent comes from the stimulus bill that Mr. Obama signed in February. And only 3 percent comes from Mr. Obama's agenda on health care, education, energy and other areas.

"The Iraq war was being begged for by Democrats since the Bush Sr years." (Snort) That's a new one - so Dubya just got snookered in to giving into those dastardly Democrats' desire to have a war with Iraq? Hoo, boy - you do live in a fantasy land, dontcha?

Sven sounds like an illegal!!!! LOL!!!

kellig... where do you get the idea that the information was "confidential"? It wasn't stolen, there was no security block on it, hundreds of people had access to the data base, it was staff who did the humongous job of finding those listed who are illegals, and they sent it to LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THEIR OWN BOSSES.

It is not a crime at all. That is a public access data base. And since they chose those designated as "illegal aliens" it was criminals who were listed.

Idiots? You think? That's your term which you obviously are throughly familiar as a living, breathing example. Learn to do your research and don't take a simplistic and sensationalist "news" story as the gospel.

When you call them racist you are the moron. You don't even know who these people are, or are you in the DA's office?

Agreed

Don't need to know them . Their actions speak for who they are just as your's do. Do you know any of them?

So whats wrong with having a problem with ilegals? THey are criminals so why cant I have negitive feeling about them?

The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads in part:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside."

Babies born to illegal alien mothers within U.S. borders are called anchor babies because under the 1965 immigration Act, they act as an anchor that pulls the illegal alien mother and eventually a host of other relatives into permanent U.S. residency. (Jackpot babies is another term).

The 14^th Amendment was ratified in 1868 to protect the rights of native-born Black Americans, whose rights were being denied as recently-freed slaves. In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14^th Amendment by writing:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

14th Amendment & Anchor Babies

The original intent of the 14^th Amendment was clearly not to facilitate illegal aliens defying U.S. law at taxpayer expense. Current estimates indicate there may be over 300,000 anchor babies born each year in the U.S., thus causing illegal alien mothers to add more to the U.S. population each year than immigration from all sources in an average year before 1965.

The correct interpretation of the 14^th Amendment is that an illegal alien mother is subject to the jurisdiction of her native country, as is her baby.

LGW - too bad the US Supreme Court doesn't agree with you. See US v. Wong Kim Ark and Plyler v. Doe.

If you're as committed to defending the Constitution as you claim, that's the settled law of the land. Now let's see you defend it.

I AM OFFENDED BY YOUR NAME "REAL AMERICAN FIRST". YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY THE PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY. If someone breaks into your house did they break the law? Yes they did. Even if they were freezing to death they still broke the law. So how is it any different by breaking in to this country. None whatsoever. The law is the law. You cannot choose which ones to obey. Just be thankful your president, who also by the way is not an american, wants to give these criminals everthing under the sun. Those people in Utah are actually "REAL AMERICANS" If I were president the fences would be higher, and there would be alot of dead bodies at the border. Criminals they all are. If they broke into this country they are criminals. I suggest you leave my country of laws and go see how the rest of the world lives. A well placed mine field would deter most illegals, now that would be tax money well spent! And if you think a few supreme court justices know better than hundreds of millions of real americans then you are dillusional. The president needed these illegals to get elected and he also needs them to be re-elected. He will not defend the best interests of this country because he cares only for himself and his political party. I may be talking harshly about him but just show me his birth certificate and i'll be quiet. Oh yeah and look up his application for foreign student assistance, or does that not count either in your liberalized good for the few world.

The people who released the list certainly are anarchists and should be prosecuted.

Chris Gilliard

Don't need to know them . Their actions speak for who they are just as your's do.

It's too bad the liberal PC movement made people lose sight of what racism even is. Is Obama racist for sending the Russian spies back to Russia just because they weren't black or American?

It is unbelievable how this story has taken on a life of its own!!!!!

What right to these state workers have giving out personal info on anyone. Administrative leave is a freaking joke. They have violated the HIPPA law and should be prosecuted for breaking the law. It covers everyone.

Who said the 1,300 on this "list" are illegal? Who said they have stolen children's SS#. And hear we go again, the 14th Amendment. Always go to the Constitution to justify despicable behavior. This document has been totally bastardized, it is infuriating!!!! It has become so twisted by some who feel they are to rule this country and forget about any person's rights if they don't believe what they do. You people are disgraceful.

I can't believe no one remembers McCarthy and his "list of communists" living in this country. Started a panic, pointing fingers, a smoldering of distrust and hatred in this country. Ruined the lives of inocent people. You people are good at defaming President Obama. Liken him to Hitler? Ok, want to talk Hitler? Hitler got an entire nation all hopped up. Murder and torture people. They were nothing but animals. The only saving grace was when these monsters were caught they were held accountable for the horror they inflected on inocent people. It's starting all over again. What the hell is wrong with you people? You have become a pack of rabid animals.

You all need to get a serious grip on yourselves before we end up destroying each other.

JBURNS...I wish I could vote for your post multiple times. What the heck is happening to us? Why are we are we becoming so coarse and mean-spirited? I feel so sad when I think about my children growing up in this America...

I voted for your post JBURNS. Carrie, I am so sad too, but not only sad, fearful too. My husband is from South America. He is naturalized now. I am afraid for my family and what kind of world my daughter will have to live in. This is not the America I have known.

JBURNS... you do not know the background, which I am tired of reviewing with you folks who cannot understand the concept of checking your facts.

I will just say this, to you and to poor sjgc, you. are. wrong. by about 20,000,000 times. Each time has a name: criminal alien who's very being here is AGAINST THE LAW! Get it?

And the only ones in this discussion for whom a case can be made as being lawful are actually the people who had legal access to the unsecured data base and chose only those flagged already as "illegal." And their lawful effort is based on their avoiding breaking the law of aiding and abetting.

Look it up.

That's a great idea. Post a list of EVERYONE who has broken any law and see whose name appears. I love it. hahaha

Yeah right, how many bankers went to jail? How many politicians went to jail? And will somebody please arrest that a$$hole Cheney? The list has been out for some time on all those pricks.

That's a great idea. Post a list of EVERYONE who has broken any law and see whose name appears. I love it. hahaha

It's already done. Criminal convictions are public information already!

They already have that list it's called "MEMBERS OF US CONGRESS"

Because, the d@mn list is innaccurate! Thank God they didn't get confused with their grocery list! You'd be trying to deport milk and bread!

Because, the d@mn list is innaccurate!

Then by all means don't investigate to find out what information on the list is accurate and what is not accurate. By your reasoning, police should not investigate any tip that may not be accurate. Did you even think your post through before you posted?!

I think it is much more important to investigate and find the people who violated the law and the terms of their employment. None of us should feel safe to learn that our private information can be published without recourse against the violators, regardless of their motivation.

ye gods and little tin fish hooks, carrie... are you that out of touch with reality? We are all over the place on dozens of lists with the most private information you can think of. How many credit cards do you have? What grades are your kids in and what information was required by the school district? Have you ever had a traffic ticket? ha! That is one of the biggest lists in the sky. No wait.. I forgot the census LOL

Private information... ok, file your lawsuits against the three or four Credit Bureaus, against the Secretary of your State's Education Department, your local police chief, and of course! The federal government and this year.. c/o the White House.. as President Obama took over the Census administration and design from the Bureau of the Census in the Legislature.

Wake up and smell the coffee carrie... Life is reality, not TV! lol

You would feel better if you had a brain.

LOL USSA... I am still trying to figure out who the ubiquitous "they" is... are? do you think he means the 20,000,000 illegal aliens invading our country? hmmmm? lolol

A recent graduate from court TV no doubt.

Naah, just somebody who actually knows what the Constitution says. Instead of what they hear on FOX.

Read the 14th Amendment, THEY are not US Citizens!

Read the US Supreme Court decisions in US v. Wong Kim Ark and Plyler v. Doe. They ARE citizens under the 14th Amendment. Unless you consider yourself a Supreme Court of your own authority.

Well Said.

In the 1940's we interrered numerous legal Japanese Citizens in our rush to judgement, in the 50's McCarthyism ruined the lives of many innocents in name of righteous American zealotry. You can't have it both ways. Either you follow the consitution or the whole thing starts to unwind.

Punish the people hiring the illegals, the jobs dry up and the problem begins to solve itself. Most of these people are here because they filled a demand for their services.

LGW- I will have to agree with RealAmericansFirst on this issue.

Hank....However, if we're going to apply the law, we have to respect even those laws whith which we disagree. Just as information gathered illegally by the police cannot be used in court, the same standard should be used in this instance - if the information was obtained illegally then the "evidence" should not be allowed.

Hank, in this case I would disagree with you that the evidence was obtained illegally. That is because the state already had access to this information before it was stolen and disseminated to the public. You cannot make the argument that the evidence is illegal because it was stolen from the state and then given back to the state with the request to prosecute these people. The state already had access to this information and chose not to pursue investigating if any of these people were illegal.

If they have legal SS numbers why would they be kicked out?

How about having every Congressman and Senator submit a list of all their household employees and nannies for investigation, too? I'd be willing to bet there's more than one Republican in office with an illegal or two working for them. Especially those with farm workers.

RealAmericansFIrst...you assume on the Republican members of Congress have illegals working for them and are the only ones with farms? I'm sure, there are not any Democratic members of congress that don't have illegals working for them (sarcasm). You call for all members of Congress to submit a list but then only accuse Republicans?!? And then you make a more blatant racist statment claiming that surely the Republicans have illegals working in the fields for them?!?

Well, let's see. I'd only be making a "racist" statement if you assume all Republicans are white. Oh, wait a minute.... Maybe you're right. Sorry about that.