These "captured" americans should realize that they are likely to die either way. SO please execute these terrorists immediately and save us a lot of taxpayer dollars and the farce of a trail. We give these scum more rights than we give our own citizens. We really need to lower ourselves to these terrorists' standards. An eye for an eye. And we take your life for having done nothing. Which is what they often do. I personally have had it with the political correctness and giving in to the demands of terrorists. What happened to our position of not dealing with terrorists. Time to grow a pair.

Will we ever find this mad-man, Or is he just simply dead and someone else is speaking for him! What ever, I say keep on eliminating these terrorist!!

Do as General Pershing, shoot them with bullets soaked in pig grease, then bury them with pig entrails. It worked where he did it, I bet it would work now.

Bin Looney....you candy-ass, cave-hidin' camel-humpin' coward....your 15 minutes are up...so shut the *&%$ up already!

Does Bin Laden not want him to have his virgins?????? I guess he wants them all to himself!!!

"What happened to our position of not dealing with terrorists. Time to grow a pair."

Ask Reagan and Bush Sr. They not only dealt with them; they sold arms to them.

CAIRO - Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden has threatened to kill any captured Americans if the U.S. executes the alleged mastermind of Sept. 11.

As if they wouldn't anyway. Blah blah blah

I'll bet anyone here that Obama bows & apologizes to Bin Laden.

Please find some new material. People that keep regurgitating this garbage remind me of people who don't know when something they are doing has stopped being funny.

Just because the "voice of Bin Laden" said it, (I believe he is dead due to his kidney problems) doesn't mean they have any captured Americans. Mohammad needs to get his reward, he already confessed. If they do have captured Americans, who knows about it? We cannot continue to allow terrorists to run our lives.

im sure if he made the speech, the cia is testing the voice print to see if it matched to comfirm it was him, if not done already. could be the only real proof the knob is alive...lol

as far as the article goes...just how many of our troops do they have? Last i heard, they were killed anyway, outside of random groups who thought they could use them as a barganing chip of sorts. Be it the case, altho i know it wont happen in our liberal world of today, IF this does come to happen, Gen. Black Jack Pershing's way to deal with terrorists should go into immediate effect. That way of dealing with these morons will cancel out chance of heaven with any virgin, as matter of fact, we dont even have to kill them. Make them bathe in pigs blood, branded a terrorist, and see just how well that pops a cork in ol' bin Laden's wine bottle. oh...darn, i forgot...thats torture, or a form of it. Can't even make it red food coloring and pretend either, that really sux. Wonder if pigs blood, on the chest in the shape of a cross is as good?

I think Obama should bow to him and listen! This is a warning people a WARNING! Hell I'm more scared of my on gov than I am of that rag head.

Frankenstein2010...............your memory is short. It was GWB who authorized the flight for the bin Laden family to get out of the USA on 9-11. That was the only flight allowed in the entire USA that day. The bin Laden family and the Saudi royalty were very close friends of the Bush family, do some research before you say stupid things. Those buildings did not come down on Obama's watch did they ?

It's interesting, isn't it? Here's a guy who built his fame and fortune by convincing poor, disadvantaged, and uneducated Muslim brothers and sisters to strap bombs to their bodies and die, supposedly for Allah, but one of the head guys is on trial and Bin Laden is making threats against HIS death?

So what's the real deal, BL? It's OK for the pawns, but the big guys get to sit around and watch them die? What a murdering hypocrite. News just in OBL: you kill Americans and they are going to kill you.

MM, don't waste your time on Frankenstein. Put him/her on your ignore list.

Why isn't there a collection of money from the people being collected and used as a reward for this menace? I would give a whole weeks pay to capture this guy.

We want him alive.

Justice not revenge.

ben ladin will do what he wants no matter what we do or say. anybody who travels in any arab held area does so at his/her own risk. and why would anything said by the security forces who cannot even keep gate crashers out of our white house be given any credibility.

Good old Osama Bin Hidin breaks out the Betamax to make a new threat and says if we execute his dirty butt buddy KSM they'll START killing Americans they've captured? I seem to remember a kid named Nicholas Berg that went to Iraq to help the Iraqis rebuild back when our old Secretary of Defense Bumsfeld was counting the pennies his cheap a$$ had saved by not properly equipping us and had no intentions of helping the Iraqis rebuild. What happened to Mr. Berg? He got his head sawed off by Abu Musab al-Zakari a $h*t bag that got what was coming to him. What happened to Rummy? The one good thing that came out of the Democrat's '06 victory (his departure). Too bad Bin Hidin' hasn't received his reward yet. One day soon he will and rest assured it ain't 72 virgins!!!!

One of these days, Obama and his cronies will learn not to call terrorists bluff. They can kidnap a ton of Americans while Obama thinks about how wants to prosecute the 9/11 Five.

"I'll bet anyone here that Obama bows & apologizes to Bin Laden."

and

"I think Obama should bow to him and listen! This is a warning people a WARNING! Hell I'm more scared of my on gov than I am of that rag head."

Ridiculous remarks. Save them for your tea party rallies where you will get high fives. "Rag head" is a racist slur. We are not at war with the entire mideast, Muslims or everyone wearing a turban.

Fact check: Obama extended the war in Afghanistan and committed more troops to that war. He is withdrawing troops from Iraq, a country that was not associated with 9/11 or related to any real national security issue.

I was and I am supportive of taking out the Al Qaeda leadership directly related to international terrorism because we have a right to self defense. The ones responsible for 9/11 need to be held fully accountable.

Fact check: Obama extended the war in Afghanistan and committed more troops. If we really wanted to capture or kill Osama, we would not have invaded Afghanistan without closing the Pakistan border first. That is a no brainer.

Anyone else tired of watching Bin Laden re-runs?

Maybe they should try to bring him in to save the "Tonight Show".

Ya know, something new and fresh! I gaurantee their ratings would skyrocket.

#1: Bin Laden is dead

#2: un-exploded super thermite demolitions were found in the WTC rubble. This type of thermite is made in US Defense Dept Laboratories, not a cave in Afghanistan.

#3: Forensic chemical analysis and the electron microscope dont lie...911 was an inside job.

UN-EXPLODED U.S. MADE THERMITE EXPLOSIVES WERE FOUND IN THE RUBBLE.

hmmm....

Interesting.

Did you know the typical human blinks 17,000 times a day?

And there are no poisonous snakes in Maine either!

I'd say about 7 years gone now.

A challenge to Al Queda:

1. Borrow a cell phone with a cam.

2. Get today's New York Times, or other daily paper.

3. Have Bin Laden speak on video holding that paper.

This garbage is still front page on MSNBC?

Uh Good Luck, did you forget that the terrorists tried to blow up the WTC in 1993? I love you conspiracy theorists who think the U.S. Government that can't conduct a Census without sending a letter telling us that they're sending the Census and then send a post card after despite the fact that they should have already received the form could somehow manage to blow up one of our landmarks and make hundreds of people disappear (Hillary and dead eye Dick took 'em out from the "undisclosed location"!!). 9/11 was an inside job, it was hatched inside the dirty little brain of this dirty not so little bast*rd!!!

I think it's just a plot by the Arab TV station because they don't have any riots to cover right now. Slow new day for the Al Queda supported network.

Wow I haven't run into a 9/11 Truther on here in a long time. I thought Rosie took them all home for another fairy tale.

So, is this what the Al-Qaeda lieutenant meant when his radio transmission was intercepted pleading Bin Laden to come out of hiding and lead them?

No, but that's as close as he's gonna get from that coward!

Agree Elvis and Bin Laden are together. Why no video, not like a video cam is expensive or that even a basic cell phone or digital camera has a video mode. Last time the US Gov/CIA released a video it was proven to actually be an American in the USA.

BTW: There is no proof by the US Gov/CIA that Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11. Seriously, call them and ask for a direct yes or no answer.

And all this time I thought the AQ folks were not afraid of dying. Isn't it amazing how rich folks are more than happy to start wars as long as the poorest people are the ones who are sent there to the fight?

Look at Mexico and it's ridiculous war on drugs which for the last 3 years has killed over 20,000 people. Their president has problem with this war as long as it is fought by the poor conscripted soldiers who don't have the means to bribe their way out of serving in the army.

And here in the US the anti-health care reform folks have no problem whatsoever sacrificing thousands of lives as long as it is "blacks and minorities". No, they don't want a penny of their tax money to help the poor and needy. Enough is enough, right?

I'm glad that at least in Europe countries have learned to stop taking advantage of the poor and to look after each other. I just hope the rest of the world doesn't have to have its own Wolrd War to learn that lesson, but apparently we are heading that way.

Screw you BL, kill all you want.....this is war and your ass-clowns will be put to death regardless of who we elect as POTUS.

Bush said it best...."Bring it on"

Majority of Americans refuse to live in fear whether it's coming from you or our own.

"I'll bet anyone here that Obama bows & apologizes to Bin Laden.

Please find some new material. People that keep regurgitating this garbage remind me of people who don't know when something they are doing has stopped being funny."

Eris....keep in mind that Frankenstein had an abnormal brain (or abby normal as Marty Feldman would say)

Well, technically Bin Laden is right. Americans WILL die if we execute the 9/11 "mastermind." On the other hand, Americans will die if we don't execute him. Because, let's face it, everybody dies, and nothing we do to a washed up terrorist will change that.

I have a good idea: I hope this will benefit our Government, if America cares really about their own people and the future of this new generation, why not make a deal with Ben Laden!! let's be smart this time not bully Bush, since we all know that Ben laden hides and attacks from behind which makes it very hard to get to him, our government should negotiate with him so he can avoid causing any danger / harming Americans in return America will not execute the master mind of Sep 11, this will save so many life as we go, US court makes deals like that every day example : when u are charged with murder sometimes if you plead guilty instead of death penalty you get life, I think it's fair! America should not make any more enemies because we the civilians always end up paying for it.

Frankenstein2010

Grow up .... or did the doctor for get to put your brain in ... LOL

Laughable. Sorry, Osama. We weren't afraid of you then and we're not afraid of you now. Ten years gone by and the great Jihad is still operating out of crummy little rat holes along the Afghan-Pakistani border. The only thing Osama has achieved for "his people" is misery, poverty, ignorance, starvation, disease, and the inability to drag their society out of the filth and despair and into a productive, stable nationhood.

Uh, just as a point of historical accuracy, Black Jack Pershing never, during his campaign against the Moros, dipped bullets in pig's blood or fat, nor buried enemy muslims with the entrails of pigs. It's an urban legend. Not a bad idea, except, there is nothing in muslim law or teachings in the Koran that suggests this practice would have, in any way, barred believers from their place in heaven.

Building #7.... inside job.

frankenstine 2010

obama will have to get permission from the bin laden family friend George the jerk off Bush before he can talk to osama

Fox News. It's Fair and Balanced, though. The information dissed everyone, so we're all either happy or offended.

speaking from his grave is he?

Frankenstein, your statement was:

"I'll bet anyone here that Obama bows & apologizes to Bin Laden.", (which, begging your pardon, is kind of dumb, irrelevant and typically knee jerk, which is why I initially ignored it).

So MM584's response was:

your memory is short. It was GWB who authorized the flight for the bin Laden family to get out of the USA on 9-11. That was the only flight allowed in the entire USA that day. The bin Laden family and the Saudi royalty were very close friends of the Bush family, do some research before you say stupid things

So then you respond back: "What does your ignorant statement have to do with what I said?

Learn how to read before opening your mouth."

Of course, looking at your original comment, his response was relevant and had everything to do with it, but typical of reactionary, knee-jerk repugs, you immediately ignore the bald facts of the remark, and go on the - again - irrelevant, reactionary, knee-jerk defensive. Impressive. Sort of. In an unintelligent kind of way.

He's right, btw. Well-known and irrefutable fact that the Bush family are a$$-hole buddies with the Saudis and have been for years. I may never get that image of Georgie DumbA$$ sauntering across the lawn, holding hands with Prince Abdullah out of my mind. BLEH!

Always amazes me why repugs will defend these yoyos til death. They have never done ANYTHING in their entire lives with the interests of this country or it's people in mind or at heart. They are takers, not givers, lining their pockets and those of their friends, yet the repugs will follow blindly, like lemmings. Amazing...

Frankenstein 2010...

My guess is you're Republican/Conservative. Did you know that just about every Nazi/Hitler admirer in this country is most likely Republican/Right Wing/Conservative? Every American Terrorist that's blown up some building, shot a bunch of civilians or did some other idiot thing in the name of "patirotism" has usually been some Right Wing Conservative? Historically most of the bigots, segregationists, and racists in our govt were Republicans, but mostly southern Democrats (AKA dixiecrats) who switched to the republican party IN PROTEST when LBJ signed the civil rights bill? Some of them are still serving today, but most have died off. And all of them will say that they have changed...yet still repeat almost word for word the same rallying cries (States' Rights, Socialism, Unconstitutional, Revolution) of their long retired racists brothers from the past.

Do these facts make you a Bigot, or Racist, of Terrorists? I hope not. But Please research what you're REALLY a part of. Unlike FOX news and most talk radio shows, I'm not telling you a rumor and hoping you believe it. Don't take my word for it...GO RESEARCH IT YOURSELF!! Again...Please ....GO RESEARCH IT YOURSELF!!

And get out of the country and visit some other places!!! You know that guy in your neighborhood always bragging about how great he is? Biggest A-Hole on your street and everyone hates him...not because of what he is or what he has...but because of his awful attitude and total disrespect for everyone whom he feels superior to. That Neighbor has been the US for years my friend. And trust me...when those planes crashed into the buildings in NY, several countries ...friends and foes privately snickered. What's wrong with someone trying another approach to world peace besides flexing muscles and throwing wolf tickets all over the place all the time?

One of many lies of the truthers involve the Bin Laden family having anything to with their $h*t bag relative,who changed his last name to Bin Hidin' to better reflect his manliness!! And chuck if I told you what I really think of that last sorry piece of $h*t paragraph that you spouted I'd be in Newsvine timeout for a week!! One more thing perhaps you are the one who needs to do a little RESEARCH YOURSELF, the guy who flew his plane into the IRS building last month was a registered Democrat!!! The Civil Rights Act passed because of the votes of Republicans but no need to let the truth get in the way of your little tirade!! FACT: the first African American Secretary of State (Colin Powell) was appointed by a Republican FACT: the first female African American Secretary of State (Condaleeza Rice) was appointed by a Republican.

Threats from an assassin? A known proven killer of defenseless women and children?

Oh crap. It is time for our man in the White House to explain to bin Laden that we not only will not accept threats, but our anger will know no bounds should anything like he suggests will happen.

For instance, any remains of terrorists in American hands will be dug up and wrapped in the skin of a pig and reburied where they will never be found. So much for your Jihad, bin Laden.

America must never bow to threats from foreign nations. We never have before and it does not need to start now.

So Chuck, you figure it's the libs turn to employ all those lovely qualities you claim MOST Repubs have been hoarding all these years?

But Please research what you're REALLY a part of. Unlike FOX news and most talk radio shows, I'm not telling you a rumor and hoping you believe it.

You can't be serious.

How do you think Obama got elected? Passed his healthcare?

I'll tell ya how. By marketing a "product" as if it were a new Spielberg movie or major sporting event.

All the qualities you're berating the repubs for having, have been epitomized under this administration and its BOUGHT AND PAID FOR, incredibly biased media coverage.

Frankly I find it unfathomable that hard lefties have actually convinced themselves they're immune to this type of behavior, and are more than willing to accept any piece of "news" that comes down the pike, as gospel.

Don't kid yourself! This administration has used every TRICK/LIE in the book to push Obama's agend. I've never seen anything like it before in my life.

It makes one grudgingly admit: If they can literally BUY legislation, they can do anything they please!

I can't believe you people actually believe Bin Ladan exists. We made him up. Idiots. We train and pay somebody to hide where nobody can see him. Then we falsely give pointless hints and abursurd statements to the american public. That way, they will be frightened out of thier minds and pay large quantities of money to keep him from frightening us more...

Wait... Maybe I'm talking about Jesus Christ.

Either way, terrorism is a meaningless word that we made up. There are people who harm others all over the world, some get away with it, and some don't. Some live in Africa, and some live in America. Terrorism doesn't exist. Neither does Bin Laden.

Killing a hateful person, or killing a nice person, is still hatred. It has nothing to do with terrorism. The people who think we should hunt down and kill Bin Laden, and other mythical people, are the problem.

Goodness Fred!! Of course some Republicans voted for the civil rights bill because it was humanely the right thing to do...not a political or "worried about who'll like me afterwards" choice, thank God. But DEMOCRATS introduced that bill Fred. Republicans in that era NEVER would have come up with something like that. It's not hard to find a few exceptions to any situation. Situations like Powell and Rice are NOT the norm in this country...but more the exception. I'm sure that both of these people had relatives that had sit on the back of the bus. Or had ancestors who were denied education by LAW that had an effect on their family's upward mobility for generations. Did you know that...In this country, it was against the Law for Black people to know how to read for over 200 years!! Do you know how long it takes to overcome something like that.

But by and large can you honestly say that you've heard about more idiots, racists, and biggots from the left, right, or has it been pretty equal? Come on man..be honest with yourself.

As for my last paragraph. I'm not surprised at your response. For some strange reason, people from the right have a hard time admitting that this country has EVER done ANYTHING unethical or wrong!!! I love the United States. It is the best country for me to live in. But I'm biased enough...educated enough, to know that this country is NOT without global faults. Historically, we've done our fair share of dirt, so to speak. Once you have the ability to look in the mirror...and see things and yourself as others see you, then you are well on your way to being a much better person. A much better country.

Well said chuck. This country has made some epic mistakes in its short past. I think he is sad becuase all the people who flew thier airplanes into the WTC on 9/11 were registered republicans.

Who cares about your registration status. Dems. and Reps. are the same thing. They just cycle through politics becuase of our crummy voting system. They always make mistakes and are never held accountable, exept by the people. But all the laws that were supposed to be written to keep the people safe and free, were actually written to keep the government safe and free.

Wow....so the big coward has spoken, huh? What gives him (or the pseudo-Bin Laden) the idea that we would care what the hell he had to say.

Go ahead and stay in your cave and hide out and rot like a cowardice dog wearing pink panties...but shut the hell up!

I'm not nor have I ever been from the right. I'm an independent but I'm sick of people who think the U.S. is to blame for RADICAL ISLAMIC JIHADISTS who have declared a holy war (Jihad) on civilization!! Of course our country's not perfect, no country is. But we're still the best country with the best form of government that man has created, and there is nothing we ever did that justified the attacks of 9/11 or for other nations to celebrate them. I'm also tired of people on both sides of the aisle who are so blinded by their jersey that they fail to see the accomplishments both good and bad of not only their side but the other side as well.

I got yer Jee-Hod right here, bin Lousy!

I keep thinking back to Dubya's "dead or alive"crack; it doesn't seem to have worked as well, even after all this time, as "hope and change" already has...

this a twist; Osama/ Al Qaida just declared lately that, Al Qaida fights to die, and Americans fight to Live..Osama s/b happy, we would doing them a favor by a execution..if Osama really professes that it is honorable for Al Qaida to meet death..Then why is that COWARD On The RUN ???...All this B/S, is Really what is all these nut/ yoyo's are all about..Kill and Hide, Kill and Hide, these COWARDS should Kill/ do suicide to themselves to join ALLAH quickly..why do they have to prey on people like SERPENTS..........

I guess whatever works to make this war rage on. A majority of us have no idea what is being said in tapes since we do not know how to speak their language, and personally, I have always thought all Muslim men with beards have looked alike. For all I know, this "bin laden" could be teaching people how to cook a great recipe.

Maybe someone, needs to remind Sen. Graham that it is a government, "By the People, for the People". Obviously a new concept for him. For that matter, the majority of those in Washington right now.

Yea, anyone with a pulse knows from reading the data that he is dead - for some time now. But if Lamestream media was to say otherwise the whole terrorism fear mongering mind propaganda BS would die a fast death. When are they going to go after the named guy that wrote the remote control software for the planes that hit the towers as was described by projectcamelot.org?????

"remote control software for the planes that hit the towers as described by projectcamelot.org" Thanks Bruce you just surpassed the idiotic posts calling Bush 41 the "man on the grassy knoll" and blaming Senator McCain for the USS Forrestal fire for the most entertaining fiction of the week!!!!

We will get timely messages from Bin Laden for the next 60 years as regularly as Presidential speeches.

Wait, this just in . . Bin Laden will officially announce his defeat in the War on Terror, just as soon as the defense contractors feel profits from the War On Terror are slipping. Bin Laden will ask for forgiveness in his last message right before the next big reason to be at permanent war is unveiled.

I sure hope they find that nasty azz scraggly looking parasite!! They should make him bathe daily for punishment before HIS execution...lol...

Frankenstein writes:

Tempe,

I'll bet anyone here that Obama bows & apologizes to Bin Laden.", (which, begging your pardon, is kind of dumb, irrelevant and typically knee jerk, which is why I initially ignored it).

Well good, keep ignoring it .

And for you to agree with MM584, shows a follow the loser mentality.

Lefties here keep crying Bush this Bush that. I can understand your frustrations, we have this left wing hoodlum trying to run the country and he's failing terribly and you guys are getting frustrated at his failures and in the interim put the blame elsewhere."

But, Frankie! Like it or not, Bushie is the donkey and we've got the tail. It must be oh so frustrating that you repugs lost the election AND lost it to a black man. Horrors upon horrors! AND you also lost Congress.

Even more frustrating, the entire country KNOWS who did what to who over those 8 years and who didn't do squat, just sat in front of the oncoming train, whistling and whittling. while the entire country swirled down the crapper. What did he care, right? Or his buddies, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Libby, et al? Their tent was pitched, their buddies' pockets were fat. It was all good! They threw everyone, INCLUDING all the little repug soldierlings and Limbaugh fawners out in middle America, UNDER THE BUS and you guys still defend him/it/the whole mess. Amazing! Lemmings!

Fortunately, there are still enough of us out here who didn't drink the koolaid and "get it" that these guys are totally out for themselves and they will run right over the top of you in a heart beat, Repug party card and decoder ring in your pocket or not. It's why you guys LOST the ELECTION. We know it. You know it. Everybody knows it. We know it's gotta be killing you. Get over it!

Who cares what Bin Laden says about anything? The animal lives in a cave afraid to show his ridicules face.

Do as General Pershing, shoot them with bullets soaked in pig grease, then bury them with pig entrails. It worked where he did it, I bet it would work now.

This is a neat little anecdote, but it never happened. It was just some BS that was floating around on an e-mail. Kind of like the one that had Al Gore questioning Ollie North during the Iran Contra hearings.

Don't believe everything you read, folks.

I'm so sick of hearing about this idiot's drivel, I now just *sigh* whenever his name is mentioned.

BinLaden can blow me. He must be compensating for a small penis.

DEAD! DEAD! DEAD! very dead. Bunch of jokers writing on this rag.

Fred.... You don't still beleive that the 9/11 towers were taken down by those airplanes do you? That was the good ole' American government that you love so much. We blew up those towers with explosives. The planes were just for show. But why wouldn't the pentagon investigate.................... itself?

People.... Stop trying to side with the media on this one... The towers were DE-TON-A-TED!!! We never have, and never will, investigate that one.

This newsvine is MSNBC site is hilarious... I'm going back to http://english.aljazeera.net/ where people educate themselves.

You 9-11 truthers are all idiots. Guess you never watched any of the documentries on the why the towers fell. First, the towers were designed to survive a strike by an airliner the size of a 707. The 757,767 are much larger and carry more fuel. The fuel that burned from those jets also ignited anything and everything that could burn in the towers. That weakened the structural supports in the towers that led to the collapses. Those who think the towers were brought down by implosion need to know that implosion demolition begins at the ground floor and are controlled to bring the structure down on itself. All the videos I've ever seen show the collapses starting where the most damage was done by the jets.

MM-584706--

Frankenstein2010...............your memory is short. It was GWB who authorized the flight for the bin Laden family to get out of the USA on 9-11. That was the only flight allowed in the entire USA that day. The bin Laden family and the Saudi royalty were very close friends of the Bush family, do some research before you say stupid things. Those buildings did not come down on Obama's watch did they ?

Excluding the Obama bit, sheesh and you tell Frankenstein to do some research before they say stupid things. Take your own advice. Though I see you bought into the Michael Moore school of bull@!$%#.

The research you neglected to do yourself

Saudi Departures from United States

Deceits 11-14

Moore is guilty of a classic game of saying one thing and implying another when he describes how members of the Saudi elite were flown out of the United States shortly after 9/11.

If you listen only to what Moore says during this segment of the movie—and take careful notes in the dark—you'll find he's got his facts right. He and others in the film state that 142 Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country after Sept. 13.

The date—Sept. 13—is crucial because that is when a national ban on air traffic, for security purposes, was eased

But nonetheless, many viewers will leave the movie theater with the impression that the Saudis, thanks to special treatment from the White House, were permitted to fly away when all other planes were still grounded. This false impression is created by Moore's failure, when mentioning Sept. 13, to emphasize that the ban on flights had been eased by then. The false impression is further pushed when Moore shows the singer Ricky Martin walking around an airport and says, "Not even Ricky Martin would fly. But really, who wanted to fly? No one. Except the bin Ladens."

But the movie fails to mention that the FBI interviewed about 30 of the Saudis before they left. And the independent 9/11 commission has reported that "each of the flights we have studied was investigated by the FBI and dealt with in a professional manner prior to its departure."

McNamee, Chicago Sun-Times. (Note: The Sun-Times article was correct in its characterization of the Ricky Martin segment, but not precisely accurate in the exact words used in the film. I have substituted the exact quote. On September 13, U.S. airspace was re-opened for a small number of flights; charter flights were allowed, and the airlines were allowed to move their planes to new airports to start carrying passengers on September 14.)

Tapper: [Y]our film showcases former counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke, using him as a critic of the Bush administration. Yet in another part of the film, one that appears in your previews, you criticize members of the Bush administration for permitting members of the bin Laden family to fly out of the country almost immediately after 9/11. What the film does not mention is that Richard Clarke says that he OK'd those flights. Is it fair to not mention that?

Moore: Actually I do, I put up The New York Times article and it's blown up 40 foot on the screen, you can see Richard Clarke's name right there saying that he approved the flights based on the information the FBI gave him. It's right there, right up on the screen. I don't agree with Clarke on this point. Just because I think he's good on a lot of things doesn't mean I agree with him on everything.

Jake Tapper interview with Michael Moore, ABC News, June 25, 2004. In an Associated Press interview, Clarke said that he agreed with much of what Moore had to say, but that the Saudi flight material was a mistake. Clarke testified to the September 11 Commission, on September 3, 2003, that letting the Saudis go "was a conscious decision with complete review at the highest levels of the State Department and the FBI and the White House." It's possible to read Clarke's 2003 statement as consistent with his 2004 statements; if you believe that what Clarke is saying now contradicts what he said in 2003, then Clarke is a liar, and all other claims he makes in Fahrenheit are discredited. Although he really did not make those claims for Fahrenheit; according to National Public Radio:

"I think Moore's making a mountain of a molehill," he said. Moreover, said Mr. Clarke, "He never interviewed me." Instead, Mr. Moore had simply lifted a clip from an ABC interview.

Fahrenehit includes a brief shot of a Sept. 4, 2003, New York Times article headlined "White House Approved Departures of Saudis after Sept. 11, Ex-Aide Says." The camera pans over the article far too quickly for any ordinary viewer to spot and read the words in which Clarke states that he approved the flights.

Like Clarke, most of the political figures in Fahrenheit 9/11 were not filmed by Moore; he used footage which had been shot by news organizations. The Internet Movie Database lists 40 public figures in the "cast" of Fahrenheit; of these, 37 are listed as from "archival footage."

Some Saudis left the U.S. by charter flight on September 14, a day when commercial flights had resumed, but when ordinary charter planes were still grounded. When did the bin Ladens actually leave? Not until the next week, as the the 9/11 Commission staff report explains:

Fearing reprisals against Saudi nationals, the Saudi government asked for help in getting some of its citizens out of the country….we have found that the request came to the attention of Richard Clarke and that each of the flights we have studied was investigated by the FBI and dealt with in a professional manner prior to its departure.

No commercial planes, including chartered flights, were permitted to fly into, out of, or within the United States until September 13, 2001. After the airspace reopened, six chartered flights with 142 people, mostly Saudi Arabian nationals, departed from the United States between September 14 and 24. One flight, the so-called Bin Ladin flight, departed the United States on September 20 with 26 passengers, most of them relatives of Usama Bin Ladin. We have found no credible evidence that any chartered flights of Saudi Arabian nationals departed the United States before the reopening of national airspace.

The Saudi flights were screened by law enforcement officials, primarily the FBI, to ensure that people on these flights did not pose a threat to national security, and that nobody of interest to the FBI with regard to the 9/11 investigation was allowed to leave the country. Thirty of the 142 people on these flights were interviewed by the FBI, including 22 of the 26 people (23 passengers and 3 private security guards) on the Bin Ladin flight. Many were asked detailed questions. None of the passengers stated that they had any recent contact with Usama Bin Ladin or knew anything about terrorist activity.

The FBI checked a variety of databases for information on the Bin Ladin flight passengers and searched the aircraft. It is unclear whether the TIPOFF terrorist watchlist was checked. At our request, the Terrorist Screening Center has rechecked the names of individuals on the flight manifests of these six Saudi flights against the current TIPOFF watchlist. There are no matches.

The FBI has concluded that nobody was allowed to depart on these six flights who the FBI wanted to interview in connection with the 9/11 attacks, or who the FBI later concluded had any involvement in those attacks. To date, we have uncovered no evidence to contradict this conclusion.

The final Commission Report confirms that Clarke was the highest-ranking official who made the decision to let the Saudis go, and that Clarke's decision had no adverse effect on September 11 investigations. See pages 328-29 of the Report.

Finally, Moore's line, "But really, who wanted to fly? No one. Except the bin Ladens," happens to be a personal lie. Stranded in California on September 11, Michael Moore ended up driving home to New York City. On September 14, he wrote to his fans "Our daughter is fine, mostly frightened by my desire to fly home to her rather than drive." Moore acceded to the wishes of his wife and daughter, and drove back to New York. It is pretty hypocritical for Moore to slam the Saudis (who had very legitimate fears of being attacked by angry people) just because they wanted to fly home, at the same time when Moore himself wanted to fly home.

(Deceits: 1. Departure dates for Saudis, 2. Omission of Richard Clarke's approval for departures, 3. Lying to Jake Tapper about whether Clarke's role was presented in the movie, 4. Moore himself wanted to fly when he says only the bin Ladens did.)

[Moore response: Provides citations showing that "the White House" approved the Saudi departures; does not cite or acknowledge Clarke's statement that he was the guy in the White House who approved the departures. Does not respond to Clarke's statement that the Saudi departures segment in Fahrenheit is "a mistake." Provides accurate citations for the dates of Saudi departures; does not address how the film misled viewers about when the departures took place. Cites the September 11 Commission (which says that the pre-departure interviews were "detailed" and other sources, including National Review, which say they were not).

Updated Moore response: In an impressively brazen display of mendacity, Moore claims that the September 11 Commission finding that Clarke approved the Saudi departures and that the decision went no higher proves that Fahrenheit is factually accurate.]

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RichardK-523773--

Shhhhhhhhhh you are not supposed to tell the truth. You know everyone has to believe Bush and that Government did it, even though well considering a terrorist achievement of THIS magnitude takes more than what hmm Jan-Sept to pull off, it takes probably months to years to pull off.

Aside from that looking at the 9|11 Documentary by the Naudet brothers they were standing RIGHT THERE in the lobby of the first tower hit and the lobby was completely intact, aside from the windows blown out. Otherwise NO damage. But hey the towers had to have been brought down by the explosives in the basement even with a completely intact lobby. Yeah makes perfect sense doesn't it. LOL.

Bin Laden issues another threat on another tape. Ho hummm......

Why can't we catch this guy?

rats if you think all jihadists I mean al Jezzera (I'd spell check but who cares?) is a site for the truth then it's no wonder you buy into bull$h*t like FatA$$ Michael Moore's TRuther movies!!! I personally have sat and debunked over half of the garbage that was supposed to be on "loose change" the biggest lies being about the planes not having identification!! An object moving 600 miles per hour needs extreme levels of technology to film. Trying to focus using your computer won't work because the image is the problem, not your computer!! Unless the right technology was used to film those planes (and it obviously wasn't) there will never be a clear image. It was a moment in time and the chance to catch that moment was lost!!

Why can't we catch this guy?

Because the Ghostbusters don't operate in Afghanistan!

Why do you imagine the newsreporters are laughing when they report what Osama son of Laden says?

Why do you imagine the newsreporters are laughing when they report what Osama son of Laden says?

Because Osama is dead as dirt, and I'm sure those reporters will agree. If "Osama" can get to an audio recorder, he can get to a video recorder, and thus give (almost) irrefutable evidence that he still lives. This would be energizing to supporters of al-Qaeda and a big "efyu" to those that hunt him. There are only two reasons he doesn't show his face; he's dead or he's disfigured, and I don't really believe the latter reason.

Where were the 13 cameras staged on the wall that had a plane flown into it on record that day? Did you see the hole before the explosion went off??? It looked like a missle hit the pentagon to me. And I don't believe those were real planes cause all the bodies just dissapeared out of thin air? Wierd. Maybe the burmuda triangle is bigger than we thought.

Fred. All I'm trying to say is, that this is all a bunch of bull@!$%#. And A lot of people still believe a Crapload of lies. So, until I see evidence that those planes were 747 passenger planes with people in them, I will believe the evidence that I have read about. And that is that there was nobody on any of those planes. And they were not 747's at all. Especiall the so called plane/missle that hit the pentagon.

Its frusterating that those same liars are still using Bin Laden to scare us. People that comprise al jazeera's paper and web site speak about actual events and opinions of others on this planet, not just the US. Try reading an article http://english.aljazeera.net/

Hey, I always wondered, once you nail all of those virgins, are they still virgins?

Rick, and what do the women get? Viagrified men? Just like the nuts over here with their virgin birth story! All religions try to control sex.

Hehe.. I'm thinkin' the women get what they always got over there. They get to till the fields, tote the water, scrub the floors, load the donkeys and take a beating if they utter a word or fail to keep their bodies covered and their eyes downcast. Given a choice in a free country, I'm thinking 99.999% of muslim women would probably choose to be just about anything other than muslim. Absolutely no payoff for the ladies, is there?

Geez, 17 virgins....Why would any guy want all that aggravation. Can you imagine having to deal with all that PMS and I don't even want to think of the honey-do lists. Please send me back to my cave.

Tempe. What's a free country? Is it something like this ?http://www.thevenusproject.com/

Cause, I've been to a lot of countries but I've never seen or heard of a free one.

Couldn't agree more Vulcan One.

Vulcan:...........You remind me why I have so little tolerance for stupid people...thanks for the reminder..........GEEZ.......

*smirking* Whomever said it was 72 female virgins.

72 virgins could be any or either gender. hehehe

How do you know Tyrone likes grape jelly?

I heard he actually prefers syrup

Um, okay, ew!

i thought they set aside mayo packets...altho i never was in prison, would be the most demented thing i could dream up.

Don't make him a martyr. Let him rot in the cell next to Charles Manson. Heck, he can have Manson's cell when he croaks of old age.

There ya go Livid, I agree. Manson and all the other American Kooks inprisoned for harming Americans...go figure. Oh yeah, I forgot the Oklahoma City Bomber??????

Good post Robert....Although I'm sure he already has the fleas...lots of them....

also, he looks like a @!$%#ing bird

All that serious hating on the dude and you end with this! I almost peed my pants laughing! Too funny!

Agree, the best way to get to this pos is to ignore him completely. If he is still alive, or even if not his group is using him for propaganda, just ignore him and his press releases, at least in America. Nothing would bother him or his kind more than to be totally ignored.

This man is responsible for the total destruction and downfall of America...and he is a federal government employee, but what is really funny, he is a GOP member....

GOP = Genuine Obama Prodigy? Yes I agree. You f'n punk

OBL has evidently claimed he is prepared to die for his beliefs and become a martyr. If this is the case, how come he runs and hides like a stinkin' cockroach?!? What a cowardly piece of scum he is.

I don't know whom I feel the most sorry for.......his ignorant mass of followers, or the alleged '72 virgins' awaiting to be mounted by this filthy looking, repulsively ugly, poor-example-of-a-man.

I'm kinda' leaning towards the virgins!

You go Marty. Tell him to face up instead of down. He is running scared obviously or dead. Who knows?

Thanks Prissy, I just think it's a shame when I see all the arguing going on above. I bet if anything happened, everyone above here would stand shoulder to shoulder to fight, just wish we could be different than our Congress, who only do it for pictures after a tragedy. I guess I just don't get it, oh well.

Okay, I'm going to post this just once: 74 virgins! not 15, 20, 47,40, ---74!

still, if you kill him with the mark of the cross in pigs blood, dont that kill off the virgins, and all that junk? especially if you leave that mark when you drop them in a dirt hole?

Actually, the number of virgins is 72 to be gained in paradise for martyrdom....

Call me missing something, but bin-butt has seemed to be less out in the foreground recently, his threats seem more lame. Either he has already died from kidney disease and someone is speaking for him, or he realizes we have all started listening to a different show.... 9/11 shows they can do some God-awful stuff, but then again, the CIA seems a bit more "intent" on listening to foreign chatter than it had in the past, which could have stopped 9/11 had the higher ups not been such wussies.... Hanging is too nice, and it's what he wants. I agree with sticking him in a cell next to Manson.. priceless.... he'd hang himself.. :)

Actualy it's Virginians not virgins. They just get it wrong

Bruce: How many was that again??...lol..

Virginians....to funny 72 barefooted hillbillies

"false flag" ? Explain.

"false flag"?

False flag...when a country or entity commits an act of aggression or terror and frames another country or entity so the blame will fall on them. For an example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

bonos rama, you still need to explain.

Sorry thing is we CAN'T put people on the moon anymore - we did that in the sixties.

douche

carl43m -- You ask if bin laden lives in a fantasy world. For what it is worth, I believe he does. His brand of Muslim belief is made up piece meal of various ranting Imams trying to become something they can never be.

If one takes chopped up comments enough and mixes them in a big empty vat, what comes out may have virtually nothing to do with the religion itself, but much to do with making you and "important person".

Thus, bin laden is a VIP. To some.

Uncooked sausage

Feed him fried green bologna 3 times a day.

and bacon.......mmmmmmmmmm bacon. YUMMY!!!

uncooked PORK sausage

In a related development, Obama just caved into the Russians and Chinese about tough action against Iran.

Remember too, Obama is at heart, an America - hating Muslim himself.

What a ridiculous statement. Got proof? Oh, right, you don't, you just spew what you're told by Faux

His middle name is "Hussein".

Or better yet tell Osama that if he kills one more American we'll take his mother out of protection and behead her....

How does the name his mother gave him make him an America hating Muslim?

well, if it was not for the fact he went to a racist church for 20 some years, i would balk the idea myself. Yet, there we saw his pastor, preaching about how this and that agaist the white people, while he was still an active member of the ccongregation, untill a tape got out about it. Then he reluctantly stopped going. The only reason? Well to save his campaign of course. so as far as him being anything...i think even false conjecture, it has more belief to it, than Nobama being anything other than the devine pinhead he is.

Jim Kosty--Your entire comment was drible. A bunch of lies from Rush and the boys repeated by a follower.

obama has snubbed Israel and bowed to the muslim leaders. Sounds like he is a mooslim sympathizer to me!

Bruce, about OBAMA caving on Iran sanctions. You can't see it but I'm giving my shocked look right now.

Because it's just that easy. Right...

Fight to the death.

it is your duty not to be captured, but it also your duty to seek a means of escape. there's a lot of it that goes into being captured. one is to stay alive at all cost. another not to disclose any type of info the enemy can be used against your fellow man. So bears the name, rank and serial number, over and over ....when questioned. If you need to appesase the enemy, you do so with false, misleading information, that bears no relevance to anything in your mission, or any mission that may be in the future plans. Therefore regulation when i was in the US Army, was name rank serial number, and nothing more.

yeah Bruce ...fight to the Death, heh heh heh!

I have to remember that one.

Bruce-

The United States Military does not advocate fighting to the death. In fact, they train members on how to survive in captivity. In fact, that was one of the reasons the U.S. signed the Geneva Conventions.

Agreed. I have no doubt he could hear our laughter from wherever he's cowering

Otter you the man!!!! Desicrate these bastards...THEN they will fear death.....ya gotta get in THIER heads.

I say we load up our C5 aircraft with huge tanks of pig blood and spray the entire region!!!!

"bon laden"? Didn't know he was French.

You are quoting a communist Chinese leader as an example of how our government should behave? C'mon dude! Reading these posts, we have some sick people in our country. Bring him to justice, execute him but be civilize about it. Is there any class left in this country.

I agree: bring him to justice and give him a first class hanging!!

I agree execute him in a civilized way

Boomer812--You mean sort of like Bush, Chaney and rumy joined?

tactical,boomer has right-wing schizophrenia.It forces his mind to believe right-wing cowards are actually shiney heroes who glow in the dark.

where do you people get this stuff. where is it documented that Obama is Muslim? and even if he is...what's wrong with that?

My guess is you're Republican/Conservative. Did you know that just about every Nazi/Hitler admirer in this country is most likely Republican/Right Wing/Conservative? Every American Terrorist that's blown up some building, shot a bunch of civilians or did some other idiot thing in the name of "nationalism" has usually been some Conservative? Historically most of the bigots, segregationists, and racists in our govt were mostly Democrats (AKA dixiecrats) that switched to the republican party IN PROTEST when LBJ signed the civil rights bill. Some of them are still serving today, but most have died off. Straum Thurmond was a prime example.

Do these facts make you a Bigot, or Racist, of Terrorists? I hope not. But Please research what you're REALLY a part of. Unlike FOX news and most talk radio shows, I'm not telling you a rumor and hoping you believe it. Don't take my word for it...GO RESEARCH IT YOURSELF!! Again...Please ....GO RESEARCH IT YOURSELF!! And stop repeating what you really don't know.

Hey Alex,why aren't you arguing with the hater who said Obama went to a rascist CHRISTIAN church?

Guns are not permitted in NYC and New Jersey so shooting him couldn't happen. How about a knife?

I'm sure the Army would be happy to comply with one of their authorized firearms. Hell, if it's a problem they can ship the bastard to my house in east Texas; I'd be happy to oblige and won't even charge for the bullet. I'll even let the POS choose his caliber then the alligators can have at him.

Otter-549674

Guns are not permitted in NYC and New Jersey so shooting him couldn't happen. How about a knife?

NY city is the place to go if you want to buy a gun illegally.

Outlawing anything does not make it impossible to get; it just creates a black market source of revenue for organized crime and makes the cost triple or quadruple. i.e. prohibition, drugs, etc.

billfjr - Like your idea, and appreciate your offer to "look after" the bastard free of charge. Hell, if it helps I'll pay for his transport to get him to you. The resulting video would go quite viral on YouTube I think.

For what it is worth it's not only US citizens that want these nutbars dead. We're with you north of the border.

As for Bin Laden, I'm hoping that your troops or ours catch up with him near the Pakistan border. I'm sure either troops will know what to do.

With shoes! Great idea!

And pants!

and a dead pig!

how about a live boar that is hot to trot.

Have you considered seeking medical help?

PTSD, I am ok except for the voices.........

I have said this for years. Why take prisoners? Sure we can get info from some, but most can be executed on the battlefield.

No prisoners, no surrender ...