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Stop ALL aid to Israel and Palestine. NO MORE!!!!
President Obama is a fraud President to the Israeli's. They will never listen to him.
His insincerity shows at every attempt to say that he is for Israel. Now this is real Transparency.
This is the first President who is so obvious in his convictions to all the other Middle Eastern Countries who support their Terrorists.
Israel doesn't need Obama's approval or want a relationship. They are very smart. Israel has protect themselves. Left alone among the Jew Haters in the Middle East..
They will Survive.
Israel won't survive without allies, are you kidding? Where, exactly, do you think they get most of their military equipment from? Because they don't and can't make it themselves.
An isolated Israel is a dead Israel, and to think otherwise is to be naive. Now, the issue of whether the USA has the stones to realize that and stop having Israel dictate US policy is another matter. I'm not saying that I feel Israel is morally wrong. In fact, the easiest way to look at the Middle East is to realize that it is a bunch of morally wrong nations and people parading around in shrouds of righteousness. I'm strictly saying that strategically Israel may have the will to go it alone, but the way to do it? I don't think so.
Agreed. The Israelis do not want peace, as is evident by their continued building on Palestinian land. Obama should do what is right and pull the $7 million in funding the US gives this racist apartheid regime every day.
You mean as opposed to the racist apartheid want-to-be regimes they oppress every day. I'm telling you, it is a mistake to pick sides.
It was stated in the article that...
So, basically his political status is more important than peace, and an end to innocents dying needlessly... What a noble ally we have in him...
Derek:
The object of destroying Israel as a State is to destroy all Jews, even though they have many Arab citizens.
Jews have been persecuted and chased out of countries for centuries. Look at the ones who live in Israel who survived the Holocaust.
THEY WILL SURVIVE. NO OTHER PEOPLE HAVE THE GUTS TO FIGHT WHAT IS WRONG. They are a strong people, believing in themselves and their continued heritage. Their belief in the right to live and humanity which will carry them through.
Intelligence. Family, Community, Education, and and instinct.
Not only does Israel have this, but all the Jewish people. It is their G-d given right, and they do not take this for granted.
Israel will survive without financial help from the US or anyone else. They take care of their own people, which the rest of the Middle East does not.
Like Iran, Israel should be denied the right to have the BOMB.Go in get the nukes come out.
Derek, you need to get updated on your info. Israel is one of the worlds top exporters of military weapons in the world. They have some of the best equipment in the world that they themselves make. The $3 billion in military aid they get from the US is to purchase high-tech weapons systems like patriot missles.
Israel can take very good care of itself on its own. And don't forget their trump card, they have nukes.
Israel is starting to become a liability to the USA Maybe it's time we reevaluated our entire relationship with this supposed friend.
Not that I trust the Saudi's either... but....
On wednesday it was announced that ...
Which seems to serve our interests much more than anything Israel has done lately... or quite possibly... ever...
@Paul: I think YOU need the update. Israel exports plenty of weapons, but like most countries, they don't make ALL the weapons they need. So what if you export a million desert eagles? Do they make their own fighter jets or buy them from the US? The arguements you and Hawaii make are so tunnel visioned, it is hard to take them seriously. Come on, you already knew what I am telling you now, but are completely disregarding it. Do you think a bunch of guys standing around with Uzis are going to stop an invasion? Or prevent a bomb from being dropped on them?
Until the day Israel makes every weapon it needs to fight its wars, which will likely be never, they will need outside help. A lot of gusto and intelligence, and a submachine gun, is not going to save Israel if it gets no support from any of the countries allied with it.
It's abundantly clear this Yahoo has no intentions of making peace. He is hell bent on stealing, torture and murder to have any peace in his heart.
I used to wonder how a people who were mistreated at the hands of Hitler can be just as cruel to their fellow humans. Then the reality dawned on me. The shrink will tell you an "abused kid will more likely then not go on to become an abuser" himself.
In this case the self proclaimed "victim" of Hitler has become a protege of Hitler. The right wingers in Israeli government seem to have lost the moral compass, they seem to be able to justify assassinations, murder, torture, stealing lands, abusing and subjugation of a humanity without an ounce of shame or guilt. What sickens me is this goes on under our noses and we look the other way. We in the US should be calling for sanctions against Israel instead of being an enabler.
It's becoming clear....the terrorist in this case may be the ones we have been calling a friend for 60 years. We really need to re-examine if it's the serpent we have been petting all these years?
Derik you say " Jews have been persecuted and chased out of countries for centuries".
Ever stop to ponder why? If these were my people I certainly would want to know why a group has been so reviled over the centuries. If what they do today to their fellow humans is some indication of why.
They incessantly wail about the past while they carry on the same type of atrocities towards their fellow humans. Has Hitlers abuse made them an abuser as well?
None the less what they do in the name of their so called god is unsustainable. World will not continue to tolerate this "modern day Goliath" indefinitely. They bite the hand that has fed them for years. Without my taxes keeping their heine safe....their days of pillage will be over.
Get a clue, get a conscience, get a heart.....live in peace or you will wonder why you were driven out of yet another place.
What experience does Obama have in foreign relations--NADA Zip Obama Resume -community organizer can't find any record of education or anything else its all classified Go to the Isreal Gov't website and here you can find the qualifications of their Prime Minister
1967-1972 Soldier and officer in "Sayeret Matkal", the IDF elite commando unit
1972-1976 B.Sc. in Architecture, M.Sc. in Business Management, MIT
1976-1978 Consultant with the Boston Consulting Group
1978-1980 Head of the Jonathan Institute, an NGO devoted to the study of terror
1980-1982 Member of the senior management team, Rim Industries Ltd.
1982-1984 Deputy Chief of Mission, Israeli Embassy in Washington, DC
1984-1988 Ambassador of Israel to the UN
1988-1991 Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs
1991-1992 Deputy Minister in the Prime Minister's Office
1993-1996 Chairman of Likud, leader of the opposition
1996-1999 Prime Minister
1999-2002 Consultant to hi-tech companies
2002-2003 Minister of Foreign Affairs
2003-2005 Minister of Finance
2005-2009 Chairman of Likud, leader of the opposition
2009 Prime Minister
Obama qualified to discuss international affairs NOT let the above record stand on its merit.
Thats correct this middle east business is not our business. And talk is cheap so stop the money and cut off all relations period.
Erik, The middle east is our business like it or not. A quiet middle east is in our best economical interest. Wars in the middle east means oil prices go up and like it or not that is what makes our economy run.
Yes Paul you are correct and that is why we need energy independence NOW. But this country will always be slave to oil that will do its masters bidding
I couldn't agree more. What a waste of U.S. Taxpayer Money to prop up a so-called government which is based on a coalition with religious fanatics who claim that they have an ongoing conversation with an invisible deity who chose them over all others, and we are supposedly in the 21st Century? Yuck!!!!!!!!!!
the goverment needs to careful how they handle the Jews in their home land they are God's chosen people. They have the right to build were they choose and the US Goverment needs to stand down
Then let "their god" provide them with financial aid, defense technology and basic security, not a dime more from my tax dollars to the selfish "chosen ones". We've done more than enough to take care of these folks and your whole god thing is disputable at best if not outright dismissable.
Christine the only thing this Government needs to stand down on is the line at the bank to get the Billion plus dollar aid check we send to to this country. The money only goes to the military machine over there. Consider how screwed this country is right now financially and think how much a better purpose that money could go to here.
Well said Christine God did give Israel the land so if they want to build there they can, so button out USA and stop interfering with other nations business, Your Government is at war with terrorism and so is Israel sadly Islam is a threat to the world, look what they did at 9:11 “although I don’t believe they were responsible for this, try internal on that” however they are in other places.
Perhaps, you should not look in the mirror. You would see is pretty scary.
Aren't you confusing Jews with Hebrews? I think Hebrews are the "chosen people." Jews are members of a socio-religious group, and the majority of Jews in Israel--the Ashkenazim--have no racial or historic link to Palestine, or to the Hebrews. That's why many Arabs are critical of the state of Israel as a European colony in Semitic lands.
Malcie
I agree with you we should mind our own business when it comes to Israel.
And with that in mind, stop ALL aid to them. Which includes the selling of weapons at great prices.
They are no better then the people they attack whom they have displaced and just attack back. And they shun their nose at us ? Well yes ban all money to them even from the private sector.
And !!! I personally think that the Israeli Nation is in fact the biggest trouble maker and the back bone of the unstable peace in the region.
The BIGGEST troublemaker is the arabs who demand the world kiss their ass for oil.
Petulant children who manipulate global markets through the influence of oil.
@!$%# the arabs..they have used oil money to fund terrorism and war all over the world.
No more USA purchase of arab oil!!
Stop repeating that old lie. There's no such thing as chosen people. That land belongs to the Palestinians not the decendants of European jews.
Malcie: You got it. I support your idea..leave Israel alone and we'll also leave the cheque at home.
Both sides have to compromise and both sides have failed! Why should the USA continue to support people who don't want to help themselves. The creation of israel created the terrorist. Not the creation of the USA. And it was the Israeli from what I'm readin, who created the terrorist, not the arab.
I think the crusades ended 1000 years ago...
Chris..Do you realize that the Jewish temple is there and has been for along time. yes it was destroyed in 70 AD but the fact it is there shows at least some ownership of the place. How far back do you wish to go to determine ownership of the area.. The further back you go the more it would seem it is the Jews land
70 AD? That gives these people claim to that territory now? Well Mexico had better hurry and get all of the land west of the Mississippi River back from the U.S. at least their claim can be proven and the land grab occured within recent memory. Should we then turn over the leftover lands to the Native Americans? They were here for thousands of years and their artifacts still exist. That land grab also happened within recent memory. Didn't the Jews from the period that you referenced leave Palestine and go to Mespotamia or Assyria or something?
The ONLY ones I see who ACT as if they are chosen are the moslims.
The moslims have made it clear they are the "PATH" and the rest of the world must either be converted or decapitated.
Jews don't think they are chosen to be any better than anyone else... The local rabbi isn't out cutting off heads , stoning children or hanging gays in the city square in the name of Judaism.
What an ignorant thing to say,..... Are you referring to Mexico as an indigenous group? Dumass.. Mexico was SPANISH..(as in SPAIN)>. you know the Euro country that colonized ALL of SOUTH and CENTRAL AMERICA along with MEXICO at least 200 years before the USA was even formed.
If you want to hate on specific groups you should have the facts.
I have a feeling you buy into the whole Little Satan/ Big Satan rhetoric.
Getting a little picky there aren't ya 1formany?
Most every religion has stated this and acted this way at one time or another. Read Leviticus, study the dark ages or read the Pope's press release from last year that said catholicism is the only path to heaven.
The man's point was it ain't "their land" cuz their was a temple there or some book said so. Same as England and Spain and France took the new world from the indians - if Israel "deserves the "holy land" then you need to give your yard back to the folks we, as a nation, stuck on the reservation...
Well I am not talking about 500, 1000, 5000 years AGO... I AM TALKING ABOUT TODAY... HERE AND NOW!
At no time did any Native American tribe have specified boundaries to indicate ownership....so wtf are you talking about. The Native Americans felt no one owned the land, While the rest of globe felt land ownership was primary.
How can you compare the Native American concept of zero land ownership to the arabs concept of owning all.... including btw Spain.
The arab world is all about colonialism...whatever word they use in banutstan..it is the same, spreading their supreme religious notions by the sword... or as is the case today by bombing civiliains. All thanks to blood oil.
Kind of sad and OUTRAGEOUS that Christendom and the West are funding their own demise through the oil of tyrants!
SO you speak for others now?! He said what he did in his post... YOUR translation is not needed.
FYI..that book you refer to, regardless of how you feel about any "miraculous incidents" it is a HISTORY book of a particular group of people and THEIR experiences.
The historical reports it contains are also verified by many other groups who have "books"..namely the Greeks and the Romans... so you discredit all of them?....Or just historical writings of Jews?!
In case you don't know the moslims also reference that "book" as the groundwork of their belief system.
Of course it is... and I personally give it the validity it deserves... When it speaks of God granting the hebrews ownership of land for all time, because they are his chosen people... and then in other chapters when it speaks of a man living in the belly of a whale for several days... or of how a man had superhuman strength, until his mistress performed an unscheduled haircut, and his powers disappeared... or of how a talking snake hawking forbidden produce got the first two humans kicked out of the VIP section of Earth... etc, etc... All very valid points, which help to illuminate the real truth and factual documentation of the ancient world.
The fact the ruins of aJewish temple stand in Jerusalem speaks not of a claim but of poor Jewish maintenance. Its a bit like saying the crumbling ruins of a British built fort somewhere in Virginia gives Britain a claim today on Virginia or to Delhi in India. Or the remains of a viking settlement in Newfoundland gives the Danes an enduring claim to North America. As to Books and history, there's a big difference between history and Religious claptrap.
Who gives a @!$%# about the magic!
The Jewish Torah is an archeologists and historians delight.
It prescribes the days for festivals and rest. It speaks clearly about the boundaries the people lived within. It discusses military incursions by foreign armies. It even includes a census of the people. It details daily life chores and how they are conducted.
The Torah, regardless of how you feel about it and the "magic" was NOT WRITTEN FOR YOUR BENEFIT!
Is all the history of the Greeks and Romans null and void because their writings contain reference to godS and magic flying horses??!!
Don't the arabs/moslims have story about flying horses also?
Hey V... why don't you give the world your enlightened qualification for what writings can be HISTORICALLY accurate or not, based solely on "MAGIC" events with in.
I think you are referring to the Falklands...or maybe you mean BVI.....maybe the Cayman islands oh Gibraltar ?.... are you sure?.... I don't know..Britain has SOOO many forts laying claim to land that is 1000's of miles foreign to them.
Second post on Newsvine. Mishnah banned, failed audition.
b dune is a moron banned, username insulting another user.
Christine if they were the "chosen ones" and there was a god.....he/she would be escorting them to world courts for crimes against humanity.
Israeli regime is earning the same reputation as their hated nemesis ....Hitler. With these atrocities on their resume there will be few who will shed a tear or come to their aid next time they face persecution.
In the past couple of days, Hamas fired ten rockets into Israel. I don't see anything being reported about that, even though it is pertinent to the talks with Netanyahu.
check out how many homes were bulldozed, how many airstrikes, how much food and building materials were kept out, how much electricity was turned off, how much flooding was caused, how much sewage was backed up, and how many were killed or wounded lately. Maybe you can get some idea why people would want to shoot back.
I don't know if support for israel is based on stupidity, lack of morality, insanity or just jewishness but whatever it is it makes no sense.
The problem with the Israelis is they are doing many of the very same things to the Palestinians that they Nazis did to the Jews. The only thing missing is the gas chamber. In fact, if the German Jews of World War Two had resisted as hard as the Palestinians have, we never would have had a World War Two.
Could it be that the rocket firings are another Israelis lie or that the rockets didn't cause any damage ?
You all need to take a History Class on the Middle East.
I've never seen such ignorance on this subject, coming from people who think they know just about everything.
An "F" for Foreign Affairs goes to those who don't understand Middle East goals and the Politics that Obama is playing.
Bronwen, you don't hear that news because the leftwing media is suppporting our Muslim sympathizer president. The fact that the muslims supported the Nazis in ww11 and lost their land, and lost the war after atacking Israel in 1967 and again in 1973, and will not even recognize the Israels right to EXIST! shows that they do not deserve any part of this land. I hate to tell you Israel, but as long as OBAMA is president you are on your own. But, I think you can take care of yourself. Keep Going!
Please delete Mishnah:
It is extremely offensive. Thank you!
The rockets being fired were reported but I believe it was a small militant faction, not Hamas, that took the credit.
RA, you can't be that dense, or are you?
Israel today cares not for anybodies ideas, thinking or whatever on it's future existence, even Gods ultimate good for them as a nation.... Gods biblical plan for them as clearly seen by many, is a distant future with grave consequences....yet.
There's no godly plan for Israel. What god would condone the reckless killings of innocents?
I am pretty sure they call him allah.
What is it?.... 72 virgins you get for cutting off a non moslim head?
How disgusting!
I would venture to say some very sick diseased minds are formed when you equate sexual pleasure as a reward for killing.
All religions are nonsensical....
Have you ever really read the old testament? It's also chock full of nastiness and moral blackholes... If a woman cheats on her husband she sould be stoned to death... slavery is justified... murder and genocide is sanctioned by God, etc...
some specific verses of the OT Bible ...
So we get it...the Old Testament has some violent passages as well as historical fact.
But of the three major religious groups ONLY moslims use those primitive and violent behaviors today as justification to torment the global population.
Well... much more about god sanctioned violence and superstitious mumbo jumbo than historical fact....
Radical Islamists without doubt justify their ugly, heinous acts of violence with their particular religious delusion... they are much more numerous, and overt in their disgusting actions... But they are not alone...
Israel uses THEIR religious delusion to justify land theft, and violence committed against the Palestinians... (when I speak of Palestinians please be aware I am talking about the ones who are NOT card carrying members of Hamas or other terrorist organizations...) But Israel is more low key in their religious convictions justifying their actions... More of a behind the scenes kind of deal... they act in a more organized, and political way.
V... a voice of sanity and reason in this din of religious idiocy. These religions are no more then concocted potions of the same poison easily traced back to Paganism. Anyone of working brain cells can look at archeology and ascertain the myths and useless dogma of any and all religion.
Religion has been used as a skirt to hide behind to conduct atrocities and murder of another for personal gain. No religion is free of this bloodied guilty past.... but perhaps Buddism. Israeli right have learned the craft of spin at the feet of the Nazi and their atrocities are well on their way to challenge the ones conducted by Hitler. Such a shame to witness the ones with a history of this magnitude using tactics of their nemesis.
What burns me to no end is we in the US have been fooled into looking the other way while our so called friend steals, conducts killings and spins to justify hideous acts as documented by Amnesty International.....even tortures kids.
Anyone who shows them the mirror or calls them to the carpet must of course be an anti semite.
I assure you if there was a god...he/she would have struck a bolt of lightening and turned this Yahu into a harmless lapdog.
So we know what is expected of Israel in order for the process to continue. What is expected of Palestine in order for the talks to continue?
It is interesting how you can take facts and twist them to your own perverted way of thinking. I can not answer all the things you said BUT i will show one false hood.
You make it sound like Israel attacked first and started the 6 day war..when in fact it was clear that their neighbors were building up forces in order to try and destroy them. Israel knew they only way they could survive was by getting air superiority and to do that they need to strike first and destroy the air forces of the folks looking to destroy them.
So they boldly put together plans to strike first and strike hard..they did and they won...again
it was a very wise and bold thing to do.
Well first we have to stop Israel from killing all of them then we can move on to other things.
RA 6.2
plagiarized from this site.
CoH ?
http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm
Carla:
What is expected for the Palestinians and Hamas is to continue the suicide bombings at places in Israel where innocent people gather, and keep their children throwing rocks at Israeli's.
This will never stop. The Palestinians DNA says kill all Israeli's. Period.
RA, I take that back about you being dense. Your just the plain garden variety anti-semite. Quoting all that information from rense.com confirms it. Everyone knows that web site is one of the biggest conspiracy/anti-semite there is.
Go pedal your nonsense elsewhere.
Yeah just cut of the billions we gives to Israel every year and we will see what the power of the USA is then we give them close to ($ 5000 / per person) that is my tax money
The writer of this article doesn't have a clue about the real power of the United States of America.
I probably pay about 6-8 times what you pay, I am very gainfully employed, if you are refrerring to health care for the masses as a ponzi scheme or the bailout of banking, than you are a moron as well. We are spending more money on an Israeli living in Israel than say a child living in Pittsburgh
phusi, your going to have to show me where that info is from.
Americans are getting tired of the same old "We have to support Israel" nonsense. No we dont and we must vote every politician out of office behind this terrible "ObamaCare" that just passed. @Christine another thing intelligent people have also woke up to the fact that bible god does not exist and we have moved on from that.
Agreed.
Hmmnnn... the problem with that is, if you vote OUT all the healthcare Dem. politicians, it will almost certainly mean voting IN the bible thumping Repub. politicians who are a bit fuzzy on the whole separation of church and state thing.
ALL... I repeat ALL Politicians are self-serving, corrupt narcisists by nature... party affiliation means very little... Dem, Repub, Lib, NeoCon, etc... it's like being the black or the white chess pieces, that color choice doesn't really affect how the game is played by either side.... And it's just another set of labels that serve to keep the people (remember WE the people?) divided and at eachothers throats instead of at THEIRS... THEY are supposed to work for US! But they really work for the lobbyists like AIPAC and the Banks...
V.....I have written about this repeatedly. It's unfortunate but both sides of the eisle are bought and paid for by one lobby group or another. DEMS are in the back pockets of Lawyers and GOP in the pockets of Insurance industry and sadly both sides are bought out by the Israeli lobby Aipac.
Given the choice of perpetual utopia for the country or re-election both GOP and the DEMS will pick re-election every time.
This former Republican (now a proud Independent) is mortified by the thought of Palin being the front runner for the GOP. This crazed nutcase is an unapologetic mouthpiece for the Israeli lobby.
If she falls into the Oval office by some doing of the right leaning Supreme court. We will be driven to bankruptcy in her very first term.
With the likes of Lieberman egging her on we will be fighting every country on the planet he perceives an enemy of Israel.
None of us can afford that.
Maybe Israel hasnt heard we have new friends, the arabs,cuba, groups that have never done anything for us.
And what exactly has Israel done for us ? Oh yea wait they attacked a US Navy vessel, and of course every year they hold out their hands for the billions in financial aid, hell they sound more like an ex wife than an ally. They seem to think that whatever they do we will back them up unconditionally, excuse me I was taught for any relationship to work it takes compromise and give and take on both sides.
Why don't you get off the USS Liberty incident, It happened 43 years ago during a war when communications at the time were not as good as today in their country. They made a mistake that day. They are still our only friends in the middle east, they also contribute more to to world in science and medicine then the arab countries do. And are the only democracy in the middle east as well.
Or anything to us except for the Suadis.But the Saudis are our friends just like Israel.
Thatsonmymind as far as Israel being a democracy, yea I believe that to be an untruth. Over there there are two distinct sets of people and they make it known although not really to the outside world. Maybe you should read : Israeli Democracy by William Cook ,http://www.counterpunch.org/cook01252003.html.
Israel is a theocracy not a democracy. It is disingenuous to portray them otherwise. I guess that helps the zionists to manipulate the idiots who run our Congress to continue to support them.
Exactly their god YAH is supposed to protect them and feed them not the american people.
Read the Walt-Mearsheimer Report titled: "The influence of the Israel lobby on American foreign policy".
It describes in detail how Israel has taken gross advantage of the "special relationship" between Israel and America. (No mutual defense alliance exists).
Israelis and their American sycophants - including, incredibly, fundamentalist Christians - seem to ignore the many American military killed and wounded in defense of Israel most recently in Iraq, an enemy of Israel.
Four thousand American troops killed but not one Israeli.
Bingo!
Also, read about their very active spy network in this country using lobbying groups as front organizations. Their spys are caught nearly every year trying to breach our government and military security. When will we finally wake up and stop being played for suckers?
Cut the ties and let them sink or swim on their own.
Come on you guys can do better than this. In Iraq to defend Israel? What happened to 9/11? Can't resist a lobbyist? And Iraq didn't benefit from those that gave their lives the whole world benefitted. And, everyone penetrates our security! I guess the final questions is not that we are being played for suckers but by whom.
Not Thinking clearly, you are clearly wrong on every point. The anti-Israel lobby which includes many of the president's largest donors has great influence in trying to persuade the government to abandon our ally, Israel. But fortunately the vast majority of Americans support our loyal friend Israel and not our mutual enemies who would like to destroy Israel and America. For your information, the war in Iraq had nothing to do with Israel. At that time Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein, was a regional menace who had already invaded the Arabian peninsula. In toppling the dicator in Iraq, America was defending Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, Yemen and other Arab dominated nations. Saddam Hussein's ambitions were destabilizing the region and threatening the West's oil supply.
You are a brainless bigot.
What are you talking about? the war in Iraq had nothing at all to do with Israel, That was
set up by the Bush administration lies. The nut jobs in Iraq tried to push Israel into the war by launching scuds at them
Why should any Israelis die when they have Americans to do it for them? All of these brain dead Bible junkies who believe that Israel is some blessed and sanctioned country need to tune in to reality. Those people who make the decisions to send American military members to fight in support of Israel never have anyone in harm's way when those deployments are made. Cut off financial and military aid to Israel and get AIPAC out of our government. Why are our political leaders from the president on down all scrambling to meet with this hatemonger Netanynut? I'm very suspect of Hillary Clinton is these talks because everyone knows that her nose is up Israel's behind enjoying the fumes. She can't be depended on to deal with Israel appropriately and to a lesser extent neither can the president seeing that he too is beholden to AIPAC for whatever reason.
@doug. >>But fortunately the vast majority of Americans support our loyal friend Israel and not our mutual enemies who would like to destroy Israel and America
I think you are wrong there buddy...times are changing and Israel has played to many games to be credible. Forged passports...very bad on the international stage. That IS the highest level of a security breach which could be perpetrated by any Nation.
Israel IS NOT above the law.
What's your point benny. Mine was about forged passports and a breach of international law. If you want to go off about "how to murder someone" move to Israel.
>It must suck being muslim and coming up againt people who are as self-righteous as they are, themselves. How many muslims do you know benny? Ever been to a muslim country?
So we invaded Iraq on behalf of Israel? Give me a freaking break.
kracked1, I suppose you don't think our CIA hasn't done anything like that. Get off your high horse and come out in the real world.
My high horse...I have never murdered anyone. I value life and think everyone has a right to live in peace and prosperity. Sounds like you endorse murder....Phucking real world my azz that you live in!
Your reference to the predator drone strikes is equally appalling...that ain't real world sh*t, it's murder. You people who support the killing of others are really phucked up!
Why must we continue to shell out just because they are a democracy? Who's going to shell out to us?Let them mind and pay for their own business.
Israel has never been a democracy. It is a theocracy. That lie has been told to keep the money flowing into the coffers of the rouge state of Israel by AIPAC and some totally unwitted Bible thumpers who obviously never took a civics class.
The Unitd States should stay out of there business. Obama is trying to push his will on people that don't live on his own agenda. Its the same way he pushed health care upon the American people yesterday. This cat thinks he is Gid!!
Hello randall I do agree with you on one level we should stay out of their business as in STOP supporting them, the BILLIONS in aid we send them would be of far greater use in this country than sending it to a place the prides itself on throwing the Americans under the bus at every turn.
Too bad the American administrations have never seemed to catch this drift. It comes from the literal interpretation of the Bible that is so prevelant in this country. Get over it folks. The Bible was written by Jews for Jews. Of course they're going to paint themselves in the best light by claiming to be God's chosen people even after they killed Jesus.
The abject lack of any common sense or historical perspective on this blog is truly astounding, so let me "educate" some of you who need to go back to school and study some world history. First, Israel is a country that has faced potential obliteration no less than 4 times in the last 70 years by the very nations that the current administration continues to kow-tow to. They won these wars, the Arabs lost-end of story. Maybe we should give the western half of the USA back to Mexico (OOPS - maybe we ARE anyway to illegals). Second, Israel has over 500 nuclear weapons and would use them in a hearbeat if they felt another holocaust was possible (read isolated by the world, attacked by Iranian nuke which the US and most of Europe was too gutless to confront), and probably not only against the arab state that chucked them into Tel Aviv. Their defense policy is simple, obliterate all potential threats in kind. So where do you think world peace and OUR economy will be everything within 1000 miles of Jerulsalem is vaporized and half the worlds oil is in flames? Third, what this nation gives Israel in tems of foreign aide is chump change when matched with what we give less friendly nations. Last, but certainly not least, this nation has been dealing seriously with terrorism on a global basis since 9-11, before that we were about as effective as GM trying to make reliable cars. The Israelis on the other hand have been dealing with terrorism since the countries founding, recognize the evil for what it is, and don't kiss behinds or take crap from anyone. Our present policies in the Mid-East of kumbaya and fairness for all are about as archaic as FDR's isolationist views (read sat on his behind while half of Europe and Asia was being butcherd before he realized that WE were next - cost us about 600,000 lives). His cousin Teddy on the other hand knew that "walk softly and carry a big stick" was different than Arkansas style "ranting loudly and carrying a foam rubber bat". The Israelis know the difference!
I like your analysis, and my conclusion would be for the USA to stop sending them money since they can defend themselves well enough on their own. Time to cut the strings.
bigot, bigot, bigot
And that's not all. Who blow up the U.S. marines base in Lebanon,killing 200 American solders? And who attack Kuwait,Twin Towers, Twice ,hold Americans in IRAN than and now, explode a speed boat against U.S.S ship war in Africa, and a lot more actions against AMERICA AND AMERICANS, in entire world,in a few decades?
Israel is known for its technology in many areas,like science, health, software, agriculture and no and of good things,to many countries.
And The most important of all.
WHO ARE THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE?
They came from otters Arabian country to this area called Palestine for work on the time of the TURKI and ENGLAND OTONOMY.Than they stay and grow.
So far I've nothing against.
But,what will happen, if all this people who came to others countries for work, like the latin american in the U.S,turkish in Germany,japans in Brazil,Algerian in France,Pakistani in England,and more,more and more countries,START TO FIGHT AND ASKING FOR PART OF THE LAND.
MY QUESTION IS, WOULD THEY GET IT ????????????????????????????????????????
And if you guys have neighbour some one like this.How would you behave?
So, when you'll be more informed.Than you can talk,right now just listen and LEARNE.
Save it for Sunday School somewhere in Texas.
LOL..You've said they have nukes, which Israel will neither confirm nor deny. Nor are they scared to use them. So why not Iran, I surely would want something to deter an agressive neighbor like Israel.
Terror was created by the israeli, and of course they know how to deal with it..the PALS learnt it from someone.
I've contacted my REP..no more money for Israel.
JP, that is exactly why we should be drilling our own OIL! Here, Now! Course, you mentioned Arkansas politics, Bill was too busy getting a blowjob. After all, first things first!
kracked1, Are you seriously comparing Iran and Israel regarding nukes and who is more dangerous with them? See thats why no one takes you seriously when you say things like that.
You are one distorted individual buddy...I made reference to the post before mine(post15). And did you not see the LOL...you stupid blind phuck.
I'm not even going to explain it to you...your about as blind and soo insightful as my little 2 year old girl. I insult her, she's got you beat on being intuitive.
Everyone knows that israel is the pimple on the ass of progress in the middle east. When are we going to learn that these tyrants are throwing us the finger while they continue to do what ever they want. We recognize the 1967 borders, not the currant fiasco they are trying to push forward. A couple of ICBM's in the middle of tel aviv would do the trick.
Gods children my ass! We the American people created this monster and support it now. My ex-wife is Jewish and said all along that they can't be trusted. They are takers and will take what ever is offered, even if they don't need it. And we are giving them whatever we have, idiots that we are.
The Isrealis are like a cheap drinking buddy. You go out, and they borrow a ton of money for drinks that they never pay back. Then they get you into a barfight with the other people in the room and at the end of the night, you have to give them a ride home!
Will someone please tell me what these people do for us that we are responsible for their continued and questionable existence, besides damaging our global credibility for offering them our financial and military support? "Chosen people?" That is the most arrogant self-classification of any group of people, EVER. If they are in fact, "chosen," then God would protect them, no?
Enuf,
Quite the contrary, if the Torah - the 5 books one Moses supposedly wrote - is correct, God the Father tried to exterminate them by flood, by fire and by expulsion from other countries.
So if they are the"chosen", I'm glad I'm not!
Hello!!!!!!
I have seen that very statement as a motto over the entrance of a low income medical clinic.
Regardless of YOUR moral compass, the majority of Americans myself included, do NOT need anything in return to do the RIGHT THING.
Does the Red Cross require those it assists to show their eligibility based on an individuals donations?
Of course not! Doing the RIGHT THING never seeks "repayment".
Everyone knows that israel is the pimple on the ass of progress in the middle east. We support the borders that exsisted in 1967, not the current fiasco that they are trying to pushing through now. A couple of ICBM's in the middle of tel aviv should cure it.
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Christine above said: "the goverment needs to careful how they handle the Jews in their home land they are God's chosen people. They have the right to build were they choose and the US Goverment needs to stand down."
It's stuff like this that really pisses off American taxpayers when it comes to Israel. The conservative brands agree very much with this thinking and it fuels the notion that America is still funding "holy wars." As a taxpayer, I don't give a @!$%# about the long history and who did what to who, when, and where. It's time for peace and a two state solution. This must happen if my taxes are going to be used. If not, than cut Israel off.
As an American taxpayer, I agree with you. However, I don't think a two state solution is workable or fair. Jews and Palestinians need to live in the same country and get along. Right-wing Israelis want a "purely Jewish nation," which smacks of racism and ethnic cleansing. American taxpayers should never accept this. THIS THE REASON THAT THE ISRAELIS WANT ALL NEGOTIATIONS DONE IN SECRET. THEY DO NOT WANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO KNOW THEIR TRUE INTENTIONS OR THEIR TRUE CURRENT POLICIES.
Gary, I understand you. But, its like making a big new stew. Do you throw everything in all at once and see what happens and how it tastes or do you separate and gradually add stuff? In this case, and since its so volatile, I just think that initially, let them first have their space and let them blend how they need or want to.
It's been 60 years and hundreds of thousands of Palestinian lives!!!!!
Israelis want all differences in US and Israeli policies to be discussed in privacy. What? The American people have a right to hear loud and clear where Israeli and US policy differ. All discussions with Israel should be done in public so the American people can see for themselves how the Israeli govt gives lip service to cooperation but in fact, lies to the US, spies on the US, takes our aid and military help and then procedes with policies that are directly at odds with US interests. Israel is not our friend. Why would they want discussions on differences between the two to be kept private? Why? Because they don't want the American people to know the facts. When public opinion turns against Israel then the world will know what I know; that right wing Israeli govt policy is militant and murderous. They have no intention of living with a two state solution. Israelis want all land to the Jordan river. Period. Let the Palestinians be refugees forever.
We HAVE NO RIGHT to pressure anyone!
Pull the BEST out of people and educate the ignorance.
That is all anyone can or should do.
To Israel or the FREE People of United States or Anyone.
Who in the hell do you think you are ? God? Hitler incarnate?
Trying to save this world long enough for you to buy a ticket on the next space shuttle out of here?
We are moving towards global peace. That starts individually within every person, and these people, with wisdom should be our leaders, not egotistically, "I'm the center of the universe" people - and that means America collectively. We are not the leaders of Patriotism, Self-Respect, and Integrity. I see NONE.
Interesting how it is thought easy to stop giving Israel money. The basic problem is that our politicians are bribed to give Israel their Billions EVERY year using the money that we have ALREADY GIVEN THEM. Now that's a racket that has worked for them for years and quite honestly, why would it stop working? There's now no way to stop it.
Also if a politician argues against foreign aid to Israel, or critisizes their policies in any way, the powerful Israeli political action committee puts them out of office.
That's how Bibi can get away with "bitch slapping" Joe Biden (the Vice President of the United States of America, by the way) in front of the whole world. He is helpless to retaliate.
We are Israel's attack dog and there is nothing we can do about it. We give them money and our lives. They give us our media and bankers.
Everyone - it's ENDGAME,
Mel Gibson's comments!!!!
Even a drunk can tell the truth.
America is only limited by its self-realized stance of Temperance. Hillary Clinton is on fire. Cadence in all political speaches needs work. "How Do You Feel?" God bless America. The GOP are retards.
speeches..same thing only different