That's exactly what i was thinking! If she doesn't want kids, hasn't she AT LEAST heard of protection or adoption? She didn't have to kill her daughter...
Exactly, cutlass, this woman is a monster, but the idea that its only a woman's responsibility is absurd. I hate to be a cynic, but I'm waiting for the father(s) to be interviewed about how distraught they are about what happened and the safety of the pregnancy. If they had just taken 5 seconds, we might not be reading this story.
That doesn't mean I excuse the mother from responsibility. If any good comes out of this at least she should receive pre-natal care and after giving birth have the child placed in a safer environment than the 2-year-old. No excuses for these parents, there are too many options for relinquishing all responsibility - safe haven, adoption come to mind.
It's unfortunate that in our system, she'll probably get off without much punishment and do it again. We don't see most women who kill their babies get the appropriate punishment. It's so sad.
Hopefully, she'll do some hard prison time. Women offenders don't like women who hurt or kill children. If they find out what she did, she's toast. (I used to work in a prison)
And her admission to suffocating her daughter, as stated by the article, will likely not be admissible to the court if this goes to trail. Sigh. She will probably get manslaughter, if anything. Our justice system is as dysfunctional as the people it pretends to prosecute.
I would like to have 10 minutes with this inhuman S.O.B. There is never any reason for anything like this. There is no mystery here, she is a evil bi*ch. I hope they fry her in cheap oil.
Actually, most women who harm their children are punished quite severely once they are charged. Society doesn't forgive the murder or abuse of an innocent child. Andrea Yates, who was clearly mentally disturbed, originally rec'd the death penalty. Its the delay in intervening that is criminal. We read about the cases where the authorities had rec'd reports of abuse and don't act, or we hear about them overreacting to situations where there the children weren't in danger. I think its about too little training, too much turnover, too large a caseload. No one wants children to suffer, but it seems the majority don't want to do what is necessary to provide all reasonable protection if it means money. (in a budge crisis you won't see many cases of reducing or delaying trash pick-up for instance, because the public would protest; but reduce funding for child protection or schools and not many speak up)
Seeing her in prison for the rest of her life wouldn't be enough justice for what she did. And the explanation that she gave? How stupid did she think the police department was?
I ditto that comment on taking away the other one for its protection. God bless the babies.
Exactly!!! how do you not notice a child under a cushion when you sit down? It would be like the lady who drowned her kids in the tub saying "oh I was trying to rinse out the soap." take her baby, steralize her, then throw her in a deep, dark hole.
I commented above about how life would be for her in prison. I'm afraid that someone, somewhere in the justice system will give her a light sentence because "the jails/prisons are overcrowded".
Why are the prisons overcrowded? One reason is that the drug offenders who are punished for a small amount of crack are filling the cells. Weed, too.
I hope that the laws in California are strong enough for her to get real time.
I could not agree with you more. Take away the new baby when it's born and snip, snip while she is on the table. At only 19 years old, she killed one, she'll do it again.
I only wish they would do that with any woman who has abused or killed her child, but CPS told me concerning my ex daughter-in-law that they can't force a woman to be sterilized because it's against their constitutional rights. What about the rights of the children? I am so very sick of hearing abut parental rights while innocent children are continued to be abused and/or killed.
I am pro-choice. Do you not think that if this woman could have gotten an abortion it would have been more humane than to have the childr and them smother her to death?
The Constitution can't be for one group or person and not for others. Like any law that protects the innocent, the monsters are going to benefit at times, also. But we can't ignore the rights of some or we are in danger of losing the rights for all. I can't think of any right or law that is 'perfect', but I also can't think of a better system. What we can do, is be more aware and understand the danger to a child is our business and report concerns immediately. How often do we hear, after the fact, a neighbor comment that they had suspicions or heard things that concerned them but failed to report it? Its great to be outraged, but being pro-active saves lives.
I'm sure the dollars were a bonus, but for some its just about being lazy or needing 'love' without knowing the intense responsibility of a child or, maybe, the desire to hold a man, who knows. If it was just about welfare it would be easy to control; once you are start receiving assistance you will not receive added benefits if you continue to have babies from multiple fathers or even out-of-wedlock. Its not a moral thing, the marriage clause, its about not penalizing someone in a stable, loving home who happens to be on hard times. Just like not allowing someone to stay in public housing if they have drug users or dealers living there, we should be stricter in the rules for remaining on assistance.
At three months she can still legally have an abortion. But I'd bet that her views on abortion are that it is killing a person. She should be given the choice to abort or give it up for adoption.
Other wise, she will be in the news again for killing another kid and we don't need another kid in the welfare system and I bet she is on welfare!
Abortion is not the answer. Why kill and innocent baby because of the mother? Better to put the baby up for adoption by one of the millions of couples who cannot have children of their own. Give this unborn baby a chance to live!
I'm curious as to why she had to be sheeled into court. Is she obese? I don't understand how she could do this. What a sick person. Imagine the horror that little girl whent through. You know sh had to be struggling, and for her fat mother to continue sitting on her is an abomination. After she delivers this baby, she needs to have a hysterectomy and remain locked up.
I think the baby should go for adoption as well. There are plenty of couples that will love and cherish the little kid. It would be unfair to the child to leave it with the mom given her history.
According to the local paper she also has a 7 month old and she was arrested a few months ago for child endangerment. I scratch my head and wonder why it took my husband and I seven years to have our daughter. Time to get rid of this woman...take the children away from her and sterilize her...preferably without anesthesia...and then throw her into prison with no chance of parole. Make sure her new "friends" know why she is there.....
This is so depressing. And she is pregnant again! I hope they take that baby away and never give it back. But how our justice system is she will get to keep her baby and we will be reading about how she killed that kid too. Why not give all these women who kill their children a tubal ligation so then they cannot have any more kids at all!!!
I don't understand BOTH men and women if you don't want to have kids be Smart about it, there is cheap contraceptives over the counter and you could always go to a free clinic or get an abortion the second you find out you're pregnant why destroy a precious life that you've givin birth to. It hurts me to think what must've been going threw this childs head. "why is mommy hurting me" I'll tell you why its because she's a sick, heartless, stupid SOB. I hope they send her to prison and give her new baby to a loving family.
WTF?!?!?! Why on earth would someone kill their own child??? Drop the child off at a police station, or a hospital!! Why take a innocent child's life?? My son is 2 and I simply cannot imagine doing that!! Your own child?!?!?! Are people born without hearts lately or what?????
What a tragedy! That poor baby. I keep saying it and I will NOT stop. People need to be tested and licensed before they have children. I know that it sounds crazy, however, it might help. Crazy and inept has a way of showing up with the right questions. Sounds like she would have failed immediately.
I would have to say that the saddest/sickest part of this whole story is that she is pregnant again, I hope the newborn is removed from her at birth.
That's exactly what i was thinking! If she doesn't want kids, hasn't she AT LEAST heard of protection or adoption? She didn't have to kill her daughter...
Hasn't the MAN ever heard of protection???? Why leave it up to JUST the woman??
Exactly, cutlass, this woman is a monster, but the idea that its only a woman's responsibility is absurd. I hate to be a cynic, but I'm waiting for the father(s) to be interviewed about how distraught they are about what happened and the safety of the pregnancy. If they had just taken 5 seconds, we might not be reading this story.
That doesn't mean I excuse the mother from responsibility. If any good comes out of this at least she should receive pre-natal care and after giving birth have the child placed in a safer environment than the 2-year-old. No excuses for these parents, there are too many options for relinquishing all responsibility - safe haven, adoption come to mind.
It's unfortunate that in our system, she'll probably get off without much punishment and do it again. We don't see most women who kill their babies get the appropriate punishment. It's so sad.
Hopefully, she'll do some hard prison time. Women offenders don't like women who hurt or kill children. If they find out what she did, she's toast. (I used to work in a prison)
And her admission to suffocating her daughter, as stated by the article, will likely not be admissible to the court if this goes to trail. Sigh. She will probably get manslaughter, if anything. Our justice system is as dysfunctional as the people it pretends to prosecute.
I would like to have 10 minutes with this inhuman S.O.B. There is never any reason for anything like this. There is no mystery here, she is a evil bi*ch. I hope they fry her in cheap oil.
Actually, most women who harm their children are punished quite severely once they are charged. Society doesn't forgive the murder or abuse of an innocent child. Andrea Yates, who was clearly mentally disturbed, originally rec'd the death penalty. Its the delay in intervening that is criminal. We read about the cases where the authorities had rec'd reports of abuse and don't act, or we hear about them overreacting to situations where there the children weren't in danger. I think its about too little training, too much turnover, too large a caseload. No one wants children to suffer, but it seems the majority don't want to do what is necessary to provide all reasonable protection if it means money. (in a budge crisis you won't see many cases of reducing or delaying trash pick-up for instance, because the public would protest; but reduce funding for child protection or schools and not many speak up)
Seeing her in prison for the rest of her life wouldn't be enough justice for what she did. And the explanation that she gave? How stupid did she think the police department was?
I ditto that comment on taking away the other one for its protection. God bless the babies.
Exactly!!! how do you not notice a child under a cushion when you sit down? It would be like the lady who drowned her kids in the tub saying "oh I was trying to rinse out the soap." take her baby, steralize her, then throw her in a deep, dark hole.
Life in prison with no chance of parole.
I commented above about how life would be for her in prison. I'm afraid that someone, somewhere in the justice system will give her a light sentence because "the jails/prisons are overcrowded".
Why are the prisons overcrowded? One reason is that the drug offenders who are punished for a small amount of crack are filling the cells. Weed, too.
I hope that the laws in California are strong enough for her to get real time.
PLEASE! sterilize this monster!
I could not agree with you more. Take away the new baby when it's born and snip, snip while she is on the table. At only 19 years old, she killed one, she'll do it again.
I only wish they would do that with any woman who has abused or killed her child, but CPS told me concerning my ex daughter-in-law that they can't force a woman to be sterilized because it's against their constitutional rights. What about the rights of the children? I am so very sick of hearing abut parental rights while innocent children are continued to be abused and/or killed.
Agreed,there is not alot of value placed on a innocent child's life in the world..She should get the death penality swiftly after this baby is born..
I am pro-choice. Do you not think that if this woman could have gotten an abortion it would have been more humane than to have the childr and them smother her to death?
The Constitution can't be for one group or person and not for others. Like any law that protects the innocent, the monsters are going to benefit at times, also. But we can't ignore the rights of some or we are in danger of losing the rights for all. I can't think of any right or law that is 'perfect', but I also can't think of a better system. What we can do, is be more aware and understand the danger to a child is our business and report concerns immediately. How often do we hear, after the fact, a neighbor comment that they had suspicions or heard things that concerned them but failed to report it? Its great to be outraged, but being pro-active saves lives.
Keep those welfare $ coming in.Two kids before she's 20. We see too much of this.
I'm sure the dollars were a bonus, but for some its just about being lazy or needing 'love' without knowing the intense responsibility of a child or, maybe, the desire to hold a man, who knows. If it was just about welfare it would be easy to control; once you are start receiving assistance you will not receive added benefits if you continue to have babies from multiple fathers or even out-of-wedlock. Its not a moral thing, the marriage clause, its about not penalizing someone in a stable, loving home who happens to be on hard times. Just like not allowing someone to stay in public housing if they have drug users or dealers living there, we should be stricter in the rules for remaining on assistance.
At three months she can still legally have an abortion. But I'd bet that her views on abortion are that it is killing a person. She should be given the choice to abort or give it up for adoption.
Other wise, she will be in the news again for killing another kid and we don't need another kid in the welfare system and I bet she is on welfare!
Abortion is not the answer. Why kill and innocent baby because of the mother? Better to put the baby up for adoption by one of the millions of couples who cannot have children of their own. Give this unborn baby a chance to live!
This story reinforces the decision roe vs wade was and is the right decision.
She did what? She sat on the cushions the kid was hiding under" Without any further information we should lock her up for life!
I'm curious as to why she had to be sheeled into court. Is she obese? I don't understand how she could do this. What a sick person. Imagine the horror that little girl whent through. You know sh had to be struggling, and for her fat mother to continue sitting on her is an abomination. After she delivers this baby, she needs to have a hysterectomy and remain locked up.
I meant to write "wheeled", I'm hoping everyone knew what I was referring to!
This is a good case for an abortion . Then, after this monster is convicted,
she should be executed. But, this will never happen.
An optomist would point out that by destroying her offspring she is removing her defective genetic code from the population.
475 lbs of lard. Oh no only 3 meals a day in prison.
P.O.S. They had better take her unborn child away from her and put it up for adoption. She just MAKES the case for mandatory sterilization.
I think the baby should go for adoption as well. There are plenty of couples that will love and cherish the little kid. It would be unfair to the child to leave it with the mom given her history.
That precious toddler could have so easily been adopted also. That woman is by no means a true mother.
Dear God, killed a two year old she couldn't feel sitting on her, and she is pregnant again. TUBAL LIGATION MANDITORY.
According to the local paper she also has a 7 month old and she was arrested a few months ago for child endangerment. I scratch my head and wonder why it took my husband and I seven years to have our daughter. Time to get rid of this woman...take the children away from her and sterilize her...preferably without anesthesia...and then throw her into prison with no chance of parole. Make sure her new "friends" know why she is there.....
This is so depressing. And she is pregnant again! I hope they take that baby away and never give it back. But how our justice system is she will get to keep her baby and we will be reading about how she killed that kid too. Why not give all these women who kill their children a tubal ligation so then they cannot have any more kids at all!!!
I don't understand BOTH men and women if you don't want to have kids be Smart about it, there is cheap contraceptives over the counter and you could always go to a free clinic or get an abortion the second you find out you're pregnant why destroy a precious life that you've givin birth to. It hurts me to think what must've been going threw this childs head. "why is mommy hurting me" I'll tell you why its because she's a sick, heartless, stupid SOB. I hope they send her to prison and give her new baby to a loving family.
WTF?!?!?! Why on earth would someone kill their own child??? Drop the child off at a police station, or a hospital!! Why take a innocent child's life?? My son is 2 and I simply cannot imagine doing that!! Your own child?!?!?! Are people born without hearts lately or what?????
What a tragedy! That poor baby. I keep saying it and I will NOT stop. People need to be tested and licensed before they have children. I know that it sounds crazy, however, it might help. Crazy and inept has a way of showing up with the right questions. Sounds like she would have failed immediately.
Abortion is the best choice. Her low intelligence will be inherited by her baby, and may cause another child abuse and poverty in future.
Her genes that order her to have children without plan are designed for the Stone Age.
She could have adapted herself to an undeveloped society where children die easy and adults cannot live long.
She should have been born some tens of thousand years earlier.
She is a living fossil.
We need a system to pay money to stupid people for their abortion. 3000 dollars for one case, for example.
Such a system will remove inferior genes selectively from our society.
First order of business take care of the elderly and children.