We, as Christians, don't tell you to believe

Does this really need any remarks added? Yes. Every time I look at the TV, there is somebody talking about how great God is. Everytime they say something they feel strongly about, it's followed by, "Can I get an Amen?" or just a simple, "Amen?". What is that? Bad English? "A" is singular. "Men" is plural". Shouldn't it actually be "Some men"? I already know what you will say. "It's not a laughing matter. That is something that I hold sacred to me". Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but as an athiest, I am able to joke around with my beliefs. Can you?

If you have children and you look into their eyes everyday, how can you not believe in God?

You don't force your beliefs on us? If not, then what was the point of that. I have 2 children, and I know that an invisible man from 2,000 years ago did not make them. Their mother and I made them. You see, what happens is a man and woman have, what's called, sex. When they finish, tadpole-like items, called sperm, go into the uterus and fallopian tubes and they "inseminate" the egg. That one-celled egg divides, over and over again and a baby is formed. Roughly 40 weeks later, the baby is fully developed and comes out of the woman. Or did you not learn that in Jr. High?

Dude, I'm glad you're so awesome that you don't need God. Really, I'm happy for you. It must be great to go through life not having to answer to anyone, you can do whatever you want with really no consequence. Don't have to worry about whether what you do is right or wrong, because without God it doesn't matter. You have definately earned every good thing that ever happened to you, and when something crappy happens you can only blame yourself. When your 2 kids that you and your wife made, thanks for the breakdown on fetal development by the way, bite the bullet though, don't look to anyone to ask for help. When your wife is dying in a few short years, or when you are, don't cry out ,"Oh God," when the last breath is taken because He won't know who you are. When you feel the claws of death upon your awesome family you made, don't look around for any comfort, there won't be any. When you are feeling like there's nobody in the whole world that cares, really, don't worry, there isn't. Because the truth is, that nobody in this world cares about you. Not the other lady, not your precious wife, or your stupid kids, NOT ME, that's for damn sure! There's nobody on this planet who will suffer for you so you can live. It's every man for himself, and believe me if you die, I won't miss you. Your awesome family will miss you for a couple months, maybe, then your wife will find another guy to screw whom your kids will learn to call dad, your dog will find another bone to chew and you will be nothing but an old photo in a book. You won't find God then, though, He won't know you. So don't worry about it. Really.

"a man and woman have, what's called, sex. When they finish, tadpole-like items, called sperm, go into the uterus and fallopian tubes and they "inseminate" the egg. That one-celled egg divides, over and over again and a baby is formed. Roughly 40 weeks later, the baby is fully developed and comes out of the woman. Or did you not learn that in Jr. High?"

And this all happened by accidental chance??! I don't think so!

The whole design of the universe demands a designer!

The Bible contains timeless wisdom about this designer and also the people who decided to believe in Him. He doesn't force anyone to believe in Him, but from my own experiences of not believing--and then believing I can tell you that life goes a lot better when you know there is a purpose behind it.

No reason to change history for a whopping total of 11%! We live in a democracy that was founded on our beliefs, beliefs that have been around for years, no problems have come out of it to date, let it alone. If you are within the 11%, GO LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!!

The "history" argument as a reason to leave it on the currency is a BS argument. A longer period of time since the creation of the US passed without it on there than has passed since it was included. If you're really concerned about preserving the historical accuracy of our nation's currency, you'd be in favor of its removal.

As for the "go live somewhere else", see my post #7.2 and spend some time reflecting on the ideals of this country.

theres NO such thing as an athiest if they were in a plane falling from 30000 feet the first words outta there mouths would be " OH MY GOD !!!!" and my guess is that they say oh my gad 100 times a day in their convesations

It's interesting to me that an atheist is considered someone who goes through life without having to answer to someone when Christians hold the very convenient belief that all they have to do is pray to a god to have their sins forgiven. I believe we are responsible to each other for our sins, not a god.

I do not believe in a supreme being. I have very dear friends who do, though, and just as I'm sure they pray for me I also wish for their every happiness. This seems to work very well. It's called the Golden Rule and even though it supposedly came from the Bible it is really a product of human common sense and works in every situation.

I would llike the phrase "in God we trust" to be removed from the oath because it does not reflect the inclusion of all Americans beliefs, therefore does not promote true "liberty and justice for all."

Our country was founded on freedom of religion because the people who fled to our shores were being forced to believe in the religion of the majority. I see inclusion of "in God we trust" as putting limits on that freedom and should therefore be removed.

onewoman:
"I see inclusion of "in God we trust" as putting limits on that freedom and should therefore be removed."
I'm curious as to what limits are being put on your freedom by those words being printed on currency?

Here we go again! I am getting tired of all these ignorant people who either do not know diddly about American History or willfully choose to ignore it.

Our great nation was NOT founded on religious principles. The Founding Fathers we Secular Humanists for the most part and out laws are based on English Common Law which has its roots in Anglo Saxon law which has existed since before that ridiculous death cult arrived in the Brittish Isles.

Get a life and keep your silly primitive superstitions to yourself.

You are so wrong it's funny. here is a history lesson for you, the founding fathers of this country were all athiests!!!!!!! so this country was not founded on religion. in 1620, puritans from england came here to be free from religious pursicution, but it's now 2010 and you christians seem to be the ones doing the pursicuting these days!!! so being from kansas, you would write that. I hope you arn't an affiliate of westboro baptist church of Topeka, Kansas.

Founding fathers weren't atheist but that is beside the point.

I think it should be taken away because how can we claim we are a country of religious tolerance when we keep holding on to christian rhetoric. We claim relgious freedom while calling ourselves a christian nation and put great importance on christian values. So are we a country with free religion or a country tolerant to those who believe that chirst is the savior? That should be the questioned polled.

As far as I can see we are the latter. We accept those who believe in christ and shun those that do not. Often times we are violent or prejudice those who don't believe in our values. We can hold on to history and what the founding fathers were or weren't. If we choose to do so. But facts are hard to find, given the example of the last election on how much importance we put on whether Obama was a muslim or a christian. Yet, we still want to hold on to the fact we have "religious freedom". Just becasuse a small percentage of the population doesn't believe what the majority does does that mean we should have a tyranny of the majority? Let's be honest to ourselves shall we?

wow...

I voted t keep it because I felt that getting rid of it because a few people got their panties in a twist about its inclusion (despite not naming a specific "god", thankyouverymuch you christians whom feel just as entitled as to make christianity a national religion by reading too deep into it), was not enough to justify changing it.

Don't get me wrong. Separation of church and state goes for EVERYONE, including those who wish to abstain from religion or promote anti-religious beliefs.

I think the loudest complainers on both side of this issue are acting like spoiled two year olds who can't get their way.

Still, despite this, I'm surprised out of 18 MILLION votes, only 11% are saying to do away with it.

oh yeah, Dem4usa, the founding fathers weren't atheists. They had varying degrees of faith, and if anything a number of them were deists. Damn I hate religious/atheist revision of history.

...You fail to see all religions as equal.

What if some OTHER religion wanted their preferred expression on currency & in state matters?

Freedom of religion means no ONE religion shall be incorporated within government. That means YOURS as well....do you follow me? Atheism is not another religion, it is the lack of one, or a neutral zone in this case. You seem to think freedom of religion means christianity is our state religion but it's optional for the masses to play along. You are mistaken.

This is always the position of ANY religion...that "MY RELIGION" is ok & righteous...but yours is not. They never seem to be able to imagine if some OTHER religion were to force itself upon them. I don't see how that concept is lost on you.

oh yeah, Dem4usa, the founding fathers weren't atheists. They had varying degrees of faith, and if anything a number of them were deists

Thanks, Bob! I had thought about clearing that up myself, but saw the same thing posted a few times throughout the seed - didn't want to have to correct the same misconception every other post.

HUMANISM

A system or Thought

In which Human Interests, Values and Dignity Predominate.

I do not believe in the supernatural.

A supreme being with angels and devils hovering

is absolute absurdity.

Religion breeds suspician, distrust, fear and hate.

In our wonderful diverse country we have the freedom of and from religion.

Please do not force it on others. Learn to co-exist

Atheism is not another religion, it is the lack of one, or a neutral zone in this case.

No, it isn't. Atheism is the refusal to entertain the possibility of a god. "a"- denoting absence or an opposite meaning, "theism" the belief in a god.

Agnosticism - "lack of knowledge" of god, is the true middle ground.

I'd rather you not promote a bunch of people whom seem hellbent on describing the world as purely mechanical as "neutral ground". Hell, these days atheism isn't just anti-god but seems quite hellbent on disproving anything that might not fit into purely scientific terms.

If anyone wants to change the principles on which this country was founded, why do they stay here? Can't they go to Iran and change their customs and beliefs?

God is just as corrupt as the dollar bill. So, Its perfect the way it is. watch the zeitgeist addendum and Zeitgeist free on youtube... It explains it perfectly. And its not bais.

rats, yup perfect moniker, like those constantly running around in a cage, trying to catch God knows what. It's amazing people like you can talk themselves into believing, excuse me in this case non-believing, whatever makes the littlest of non-sense to you. What a sad shame when in the end you, me, the other non-believers and everyone else will find out the truth, but in some cases it'll be too late to do anything about it, then you can't whine your way out of it by saying otherwise.

InGodWeTrust2010

That was an excellent post i am glad that others think as i. These anti-god people will only be happy when god is completely removed and there is no mention anywhere about god.

The US was not founded as a Christian country and the only document that mentions a generic deity is the Declaration of Independence, which was superseded as a government document by the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution.

Please read article 11 of the treaty of Tripoli and Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance
Against Religious Assessments before making such ignorant statements in the future. Thos Jefferson was a deist with a deep hatred for organized Christianity and he saw what happened when religion and the state mixed in Europe and was determined to prevent that from happening in the US.

I'm a member of the ACLU and I hope that he plans to appeal to the nine wise robes in DC.

I hope that

I'm sorry jean M. I don't know what you're trying to say to me. But I just don't believe in things that are made out of thin air, and that mislead people to believe things that are not good for them.

#1 money, Federal reserve creates it out of thin air. loans it to the public by means of debt. Money creates a tier system of selfishness. Those with the dollar get human needs such as education, health care, shelter, and food. Those without get nothing and sometimes fight to get money(which as I said was created out of thin air) It doesn't exist, yet our society is dependant on it.

The reason why I have money as #1 is becuase at least religion was created from the stars, thousands of years ago, and money was created from humansout out of selfishness.

#2 Religion, Created from the sun and solar system around 3000 BC in Eygypt, by a set of beliefs. Christianity is parody of sun worship, where people put a guy named Jesus in place of the Sun, and pay him the adoration rather than the sun. This is a better way of raking in billions of dollars annualy with out taxation. And all interpretations of the bible are the same. False beliefs leading people to spend thier money, for profit on the human soul. Also lets not go into detail about the wars started on religious belief.

So was that a better explination, before you comment please watch Zeitgeist free at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHiuaGJ46zo and watch zeitgeist addendum free at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs

It will make you think.

@!$%# off you god soaked idiot.

@!$%# off you god soaked idiot.

Not only was that random, but we prefer the term/terms:
Bible thumping, Jesus loving, Cross hugging, God fearing, Soul saving, Psalm singing, Spirit walking, flesh abandoning, salvation shouting, LORD praising Jesus freaks.

A)
"God" is not specific enough to indicate the Christian God, or any other god. "God" in itself simply refers to "deity."

B)
Separation of Church and State is meant to keep religious bias out of state business, not to remove religion from America and it's populace.

C)
The government is secular, not the society. The American society is very religious, as is their right, and is not obliged to become secular, as religion is a right.

If we do take God out of our country and turn our backs on him, he could turn his back on us and believe me, you will then see how wonderful the grace of God was when you don't have it.

LMAO.... "you will then see how wonderful the grace of God was when you don't have it."

Everything about this "magic man" becomes more apparent to "his" followers when "he" isn't there.... "You gon really know who god is when hes gone!"

If we do take God out of our country and turn our backs on him, he could turn his back on us

Oh no - it's the "god" destroyed New Orleans and Haiti fear induction again. What about the twenty or thirty people who sought refuge in the church in New Orleans and drowned? Turn "his" back on us like that?

no In God WE TRUST Should stay on our money.

."Question with boldness even the existence of God;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason
than that of blindfolded fear”Thomas Jefferson

Anyone who can think for themselves can see that the Founders were not Christians

the word is think...Quotations regarding religious beliefs:

"Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."
- letter to Edward Newenham, 1792

Gouverneur Morris had often told me that General Washington believed no more of that system (Christianity) than did he himself."
-Thomas Jefferson, in his private journal, Feb. 1800

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half of the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind. Thomas Pain

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all." T.P.

The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my profession."
-Spoken by Abraham Lincoln, quoted by Joseph Lewis

and on and on...and one more thing,

"The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbology are undeniable. Egyptian sun disks became the halos of Catholic saints. Pictograms of Isis nursing her miraculously conceived son Horus became the blueprint for our modern images of the Virgin Mary nursing Baby Jesus. And virtually all the elements of the Catholic ritual - the miter, the altar, the doxology, and communion, the act of "God-eating" - were taken directly from earlier pagan mystery religions." "Nothing in Christianity is original. The pre-Christian God Mithras - called the Son of God and the Light of the World - was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and then resurrected in three days. By the way, December 25 is also the birthday or Osiris, Adonis, and Dionysus. The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Even Christianity's weekly holy day was stolen from the pagans."

It is extremely hard for a Christian believer to process this data, but nonetheless it is true. All of the "sacred rituals" of Christianity, and all of Christianity's core beliefs (virgin birth, resurrection, etc.) come straight from pagan religions that were popular around the time of Jesus.

First of all, what an insult to a Creator to have the dollar, the medium with which drug dealers, prostitutes, counterfeiters, Ponzi schemers and other criminals use to carry out their evil deeds, carries the word "God"? Show me where, in anyone's scriptures, God seeks to have His name plastered all over anything let alone The Dollar which, by the way, with His name on it, is worth a lot less now? Besides, is that His name? Huh?

First of all, what an insult to a Creator to have the dollar, the medium with which drug dealers, prostitutes, counterfeiters, Ponzi schemers and other criminals use to carry out their evil deeds, carries the word "God"?

Please. I suppose you've got His bleedin' phone number and have a personal stake in this supposed insult, eh? Sorry, sir, but your post looks like a deflection attempt to me.

Personally, I'm so very sick and tired of all this being politically correct crap all the time. This nation has turned into the most uptight gang of prigs on the planet for goodness sake! Our currency has looked this way long enough to be part of our cultural history. If it really offends someone they can move to someplace where the pictures, logos, and legends meet their approval. Freedonia maybe. Get over it and stop taking yourselves so seriously - you'll give yourself a heart attack!

I am so happy with the results of this poll!

I've poked around a bit, but I can't seem to find the poll results as they stand today. No matter, I addressed the specific numbers about a year ago. I think the results bear repeating:

The MSNBC Poll began on November of 2005.

On September 9, 2006, with 27,862 responses, the numbers reflected 20% favoring the removal, while 80% wanted the phrase retained (reported by snopes.com).

On August 19, 2008, a Newsvine respondant, "daffyduck," in comment number 1.69 of this original thread here, reported that after 4,394,360 responses, the poll reflected 33% favored the removal, while 67% opposed it. Coincidentally, this was around the time that many of the Email, Facebook, and mySpace campaigns had begun. It might also be noted that at least two respondants to this thread (who favored retaining the phrase) have admitted to voting multiple times.

By August 24, 2008 (again, from snopes.com) it was reported the poll reflected 22%/88% with 7,054,407 respondents.

Even allowing for a wide margin of error, that is over a 4000% (yes, four thousand percent) increase in the number of people voting within the month of August of 2008.

Further, it can be reasonably deduced that from 2006 to 2008, people were voting at a rate of approximately 180,000 per month on average. From August of 2008 to November of 2009, the average is more like 780,000 per month.

In short, and again allowing for a wide margin of error, it has taken about 10,000,000 biased votes to skew the numbers to where they stand today. I absolutely defy ANYONE to present an intelligent argument as to why the present numbers should be considered even remotely accurate

Funny how that works, eh?

Regards

Ah, it's been a bad week. :) I have to correct myself again.

...it was reported the poll reflected 22%/88% with 7,054,407 respondents.

That should have read "22%/78%" The reference for it is here: Snopes.com

Regards

god is a bitch

It is neither- it is the state shall make no law in the establishment of a religion. Interestingly the idea of freedom of religion means freedom from religion happened with those hari krishna types in the 70s.

while the anti god people make every law to prevent god form being praised and /or mentioned at every turn.

Tell me were we such a bad country when god was at the basis of our daily lives?

Robert,

Please feel free to provide empirical evidence for the existence of a supernatural deity because the bible was written by man but I have never seen proof that your god fact checked it to assure that the stone age goat herders wrote it correctly.

I'm agnostic and a 20 year member of the ACLU. You have the right to believe as you see fit and I will protect that right but the government is a secular institution that protects the rights of all equally with no preferance to any group.

Tell me were we such a bad country when god was at the basis of our daily lives?

Well, let's see....while God was the basis of our daily lives we held slaves, and treated blacks as 2nd-class citizens even after slavery, massacred the Native Americans, subjugated women, used Chinese immigrants as indentured labor, and aroused fear and suspicion in our neighbors with the Red Scare. So, while we weren't nearly the worst country in the world, I wouldn't say we were exactly a shining example of righteousness, either.

epistemologist Please feel free to provide empirical evidence for the non existance of a supernatural deity (otherwise known as God).

I think I shall start putting "In God We Trust" on all the outside of the envelope of correspondance I send by snail mail.

Tell me were we such a bad country when god was at the basis of our daily lives?

Oh yes the "good ole days" when a parent would believe the churches wisdom over their own child and could simply relocate a priest. When people of diffrent racial backgrounds had to drink from different water fountains. When you could hang a man in the bible belt south for dating a white woman. When you could burn people who didn't agree with you on any number of issues with a simple witch accusation. When polio ran rampant without all that pesky science stuff.

Why do you want to go backwards?

I don't remember "god" ever being this much of a discussion until a black man was elected president.

You are so RIGHT!!!!!! May the GOOD LORD keep and bless you1

and in the mean time ... watch ofut for the amnesty act hr 4321 which also includes a biometric id clause "to prevent the illegals" from taking our jobs.

http://digg.com/business_finance/Ron_Paul_Discusses_The_National_ID_Card_3_10_2010

Then does this mean that since the Athiests don't believe in a creator, then the Athiests don't have the right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness? Works for me.

...typical Christian showing your true colors. So, would you like to endorse this genocide of all non-christians & atheists in the name of your god? worked for hitler...should probably work for you.

you @!$%#ing sicko piece of @!$%#e. I SOOOOOOoooo wish all you nutjob uneducated psychos had your own country all by yourselves and run things YOUR way. You morons would be eating each other, killing each other, raping each other, burning each other alive, stoning each other and back in the stone-age in about 3 generations. But still...I REALLY wish you had the opportunity to have this. You people are MADE of evil...MADE of hate & ignorance. You are what holds us back and encourages all that is horrible in our world.

Dr Selby you sound full o hate

Dr Sebby, sorry I spelled your name wrong, You must have hate issues, they have classes for that anger management I believe they are called.

Todd... Agreed!

DrSebby.... Ahh... Hmm... A whole hell of alot more worked for hitler that what you mention... why dont your try hmm... the bankers that fainaced him, the psych's that told him how to control his people...

This country was founded on "God", and as Drue Ann states, God can mean any higher power to whoever reads it. What seems to be lost is that as we remove crosses, and the 10 commandments from our government buildings, and as we remove God from our currency, we are doing so at the bequest of a few. Isnt democracy suppose to mean that the majority rules?

This is America, land of the free and the brave. A land where English is suppose to be the main language. We sell our land to non-citizens, we see signs going up that are written in foreign languages in a large font and English is difficult to find anywhere on the sign, we are hit on our own soil by terrorists, yet do not close our borders. We have proper channels that foreigners are suppose to follow to get into this country and more avenues to actually become US citizens, yet we require our tax payers to cover the costs of illegal aliens health issues, give them driver's licenses or ID cards, and house and feed them in many cases.... Where is the logic?

I want my tax money to go towards securing the borders, shipping illegal aliens out of the country and requiring them to follow proper guidlines. In addition, I want our politicians to vote as representatives of the majority and not representatives of the major corporations who donate big bucks to buy their votes.

And by the way... our laws should require our politicians to live like the masses they represent. If a politician has right to vote for their people on Medicare and Social Security, they need to be required to USE Medicare and Social Security!!!

In God I Trust.

That's what the founding fathers tried to do and they put "In God We Trust" on our dollar bill.

Just to keep us having this discussion from a factual basis, the founding fathers didn't put it on the dollar bill - it didn't appear on any money until the late 1800's and didn't become the national motto until the 1950's. The intent of the FF's doesn't enter into the discussion.

God can mean any higher power to whoever reads it

This is pretty much true, but when you add......

crosses, and the 10 commandments

.....you pretty much negate your first point and specify Christianity.

If a politician has right to vote for their people on Medicare and Social Security, they need to be required to USE Medicare and Social Security!!!

They are required to pay into and collect from Soc. Security, as is everyone. Helps to know of what you rant about.

Dennis270: "They are required to pay into and collect from Soc. Security, as is everyone. Helps to know of what you rant about"

You are wrong, Congress has it's own form of retirement and health care which they don't pay into, not Social Security or Medicare, which is also very different from anything we peons will ever benefit from. They also recieve their salary or a percentage of it for the rest of their lives. Do any of the rest of us get that?? The original idea of representatives of the people in Congress was that they would only recieve a smal stipend for expenses, and maintain a "real job" back home, so they would truly be "representatives of the people"! We should go back to that form of government, limit terms so there is not a "I own this position" mentality.

The Founding Fathers were not Athiests, the Constitution was/is based on Biblcal Principles, they were not fleeing religion, they were fleeing FORCED religion and forced rejection of their Biblical faith to join another group, we are not trying to force religion, we only want to acknowlege Our God. The Constitution does not say "separation of church and state" it says "Congress shall not ESTABLISH or require religion or a specific religion"(my interpretation, sorry, don't have the exact wording right now) Religion can be as bad as non-religion, when there is no relationship with our Creator, He wants a relationship not robots, He is not the one who caused all the terrors spoken of in these postings, it is the inherent evil in man that brings that about. There is a force of evil and if you do not accept and know the Loving God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, you are "voting" for the evil in the world. Just because someone says they are a Christian doesn't make them one, any more that standing in a garage makes you a car. It the relationship with God, and the fruit of that relationship which shows who you are faithful to, not just the words you describe yourself by, if there is no love it is not of God! We have drastically changed as a nation since 1 woman got prayer taken out of the schools, now our children are killing each other in those same schools which were supposed to be a safe place. I could go on & on. . . . .

rotti365.. You,Sir, are an idiot!!!!!! Maybe you should move to Iraq or Iran. They don't believe in GOD either!!

rottie, Thanks for the information. This is just another example of the pushy Christians wanting everything their way. Their answer to the issue is to tell us to go to another country. Now, that's real Christian-like, isn't it? Do you see how hypocritical you are being? My guess is, probably not. You are the type of people that don't care about what anyone else wants....just what YOU want.

I've got news for you. I'm a Christian, and I don't need "in God we trust" on our currency to remind me of my beliefs. We were getting along just fine before it was added. You trust in God? So do I, but I don't need it on my currency or in my pledge of allegiance.

They don't believe in GOD either!!

Ummm......What? Really?

You,Sir, are an idiot!!!!!! Maybe you should move to Iraq or Iran. They don't believe in GOD either!!

Perhaps you should research what you complain about. Since 98% or Iranians are Muslim, and 97% of Iraqis are Muslim, let me teach you a little about it. But just to set the record straight, I am an Athiest. But as such, I am actually able to study all religions with an open mind, unlike most Christians that I know.

The religion of Islam was begun early in the 7th century A.D. by a man named Muhammad. He claimed to have been visited by the angel Gabriel. During these angelic visitations, which continued for about 23 years until Muhammad's death, the angel purportedly revealed to Muhammad the words of God (called "Allah" in Arabic and by Muslims). These dictated revelations comprise the Qur'an, Islam's holy book. Islam teaches that the Qur'an is the final authority and the last revelation of Allah.

Muslims, the followers of Islam, believe the Qur'an to be the preexistent and perfect word of Allah. Further, many Muslims reject all other language versions of the Qur'an. A translation is not a valid version of the Qur'an, which only exists in Arabic. Although the Qur'an is the main holy book, the Sunnah is considered the second source of religious instruction. The Sunnah was written by Muhammad's companions about what Muhammad said, did, and approved.

The key beliefs of Islam are that Allah is the only true God and that Muhammad was Allah's prophet. By simply stating these beliefs, a person can convert to Islam. The word "Muslim" means "one who submits to Allah." Islam purports to be the one true religion from which all other religions are derived (including Judaism and Christianity).

Muslims base their lives on the five pillars:

1. The testimony of faith: "There is no true god but God (Allah), and Muhammad is the Messenger (Prophet) of God."

2. Prayer: five prayers must be performed every day.

3. Giving: one must give to the needy, as all comes from Allah.

4. Fasting: besides occasional fasting, all Muslims must fast during the celebration of Ramadan (the ninth month of the Islamic calendar).

5. Hajj: the pilgrimage to Mecca (Makkah) should be performed at least once in a lifetime (during the twelfth month of the Islamic calendar).

These five tenets, the framework of obedience for Muslims, are taken seriously and literally. A Muslim's entrance into paradise hinges on obedience to these five pillars.

In relation to Christianity, Islam has several similarities and significant differences. Like Christianity, Islam is monotheistic, but in opposition to Christianity, Islam rejects the concept of the Trinity. Islam accepts certain portions of the Bible, such as the Law and the Gospels, but rejects the majority of it as slanderous and uninspired.

Islam claims that Jesus was a mere prophet, not God's Son (only Allah is God, Muslims believe, and how could He have a Son?). Rather, Islam asserts that Jesus, though born of a virgin, was created just as Adam, from the dust of the earth. Muslims believe Jesus did not die on the cross; thus, they deny one of the central teachings of Christianity.

That's great Loony J. You're my hero. You can read! How awesome! You're awesome dude, really you are! No way do you need God in your life! Too bad everybody can't be as awesome as you, learning how to read and all. But, is that all you can do? Can you create a tree? Can you order it to bear fruit? Can you calm the sea? Can you kiss my ass? I didn't think so.

". . .church organizations will stop at nothing to appear righteous, even if it includes lying, tipping the scale in their favor by mass mailing a poll link to different church groups is the same as lying folks,"

And Liberal Organizations NEVER do anything like that! NOT!

Check out Move-On.org if you don't believe me. Anyway no one put a gun to anyone's head to respond to the poll. Face up to facts, Rottie, the MAJORITY of the people of this country do have some kind of a belief in God and will fight like a bear defending her cubs to keep it.

"Thomas Jefferson was an atheist and my hero."

Although there is debate on whether Thomas Jefferson was a Christian, he did read the Bible often and had a belief in and a respect for God--therefore was NOT an Atheist. Maybe you had better read more of what he wrote before you jump to that conclusion! He was very much against a STATE religion as am I, but he did not count a general belief in God as anything anywhere near a State controlled religion.

How is rallying support for what you believe in lying? Where did this logic come from? It's funny how if a group of liberals believes in something it is okay to convey that belief by any means but if GOD forbid a group of conservatives does the same thing they are wrong. I and the MAJORITY of America is fed up with your simple minded double standards.

Now go ahead and flame away. After all it IS your right to disagree.

That's great Loony J. You're my hero. You can read! How awesome! You're awesome dude, really you are! No way do you need God in your life! Too bad everybody can't be as awesome as you, learning how to read and all. But, is that all you can do? Can you create a tree? Can you order it to bear fruit? Can you calm the sea? Can you kiss my ass? I didn't think so

Dude, what? You lash out because he's studied world religions and calls out a false statement by someone else? Not sure what the point of that rant was.

Thanks Loony, I'm not an atheist, but I can read too. Some of us spiritually inclined, (non-denominational christian here) retain the ability to read. Don't judge us all by the foolish, though to be honest, the most outspoken of your group really irritate the hell out of me too. So I haven't given up the mystery of it all, and said "It's nothing but a bunch of rocks floating about in space".

Still, can you get some of them to stop revising history? Jefferson was a deist. Like Emannuel Kant, and a number of French thinkers at the time. And don't go saying that "they were afraid of persecution from the government at the time". I'm sick of hearing that.

Seriously, is EVERYONE in history secretly atheist to these people???? Sir Isaac Newton now an atheist? I've even heard Socrates being claimed as one of the atheist factions.

And this is just least egregious examples of "magical thinking" I've seen from these champions of reason. (seriously, it's ironic to see David Hume, the man who claimed, " Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions, and can never pretend to any other office than to serve and obey them." is an atheist because his friends were and, well, ya know, you can ASSUME the father of skepticism is despite never really promoting a particular view and sometimes speaking of natural religion favorably, just as he denounces organized faiths...)

Please stop atheists from acting so damned high and mighty. They're as bad as those believers they criticize.

Back too the original post though: The results might be a little skewed towards those with faith, but they match up actually quite well with the atheist/agnostic - religious/deist divide in this country.

rottie365 Ahmm.... Yeah and NBC is what honest abe? please wake up dude... this was gods country long before it was the liberals and their assocaited "friends"...

Karen, FYI, it wasn't always on our currency. We got along just fine before it was added.

Can both sides PLEASE stop with the "if you don't agree with me, then move" argument? In one breath you mention (rightly so) how this country is founded on freedom to choose your own way of life, then in the very next breath you state that anyone who doesn't excercise that freedom in the same way you do should leave?

I agree, Dennis that people shouldn't be saying, "if you don't like it, leave." Although if they did decide to live in another country they would soon be very dissatisfied with the lack of freedom in most countries that we all (believer and Atheist alike) take for granted here.

"In God We Trust" has been on our money for a long time now and no one thought anything about it until recently. People who don't believe in God can use it to purchase things just as easily as believers can. What Christians are objecting to is a tiny minority of Atheists trying to get rid of all mention of God and Christ which the majority of Americans have always believed in.

Communist countries for many years did not tolerate religious belief--or anyone who did not believe in the State as a substitute for God. Muslim countries persecute anyone who is not Muslim. If a FEW misguided Christians make you feel uncomfortable, think what radical Muslims would do to you in their countries because you don't agree with them. Ditto for Hindus in India and other counries.

In this country you still have complete freedom to not believe, and few will give you any hassel about it. Most of us know better than to argue with an Atheist. If they are declaring it, they are loaded for bear and they will not listen to anything you say.

Most Christians won't listen to you either. At least not if they read and study the Bible often.

In God We Trust" has been on our money for a long time now and no one thought anything about it until recently

But the flip side of that is that no one thought much of it before it was on there, either. Is someone's personal faith hampered by it not being on the money they spend? Couldn't believers also spend the money just as well without it on there, as you make the argument that non-believers can now?

The "God" refered to in "In God We Trust" is money. I thought everybody understood that.

"In this country you still have complete freedom to not believe, and few will give you any hassel about it."

You've obviously never been to Arkansas.

Regardless of howanyon feels on the subject, wikipedia is the last thing you should be quoting...

Xenophobic much? At least your screenname makes sense.

The LIVING GOD JESUS....

ALL others are dead.....

It doesn't take a high education to know that this nation was built on the belief of God, the God of the Bible, Jesus, you don't need to know Him now if you choose not too, but you will at life's end know He is exactly Who He said He was, but it will be to late for you! God is a belief, not a religion, man has been making religions and god's up ever since time began because God has put Himself in us, He is our Creator.....we search to get personal with Him and stumble and come up with religion and different god's....no you don't need a education to know this God, just a humble heart.....which your arrogance won't allow you to seek or know this loving Creator.

You wouldn't know your "God" without the man made religion/book.. And your heart doesn't know anything.. It just pumps blood.. Everything is in your brain and when it dies all of you/your mind/"soul" dies with it..

ToYoTa !!

I'm an atheist and I don't oppose it. I don't care either way. Personally, I find it a bit ironic that christians want it on their money, but to each his own.

I don't support this dude's lawsuit either as it is a waste of time and tax payer money. If you don't like it in the pledge, don't say 'under god' when it gets to that part. Problem solved.

Oh, and for some additional fun on this thread, how do all of you conservatives who have been screaming about Obama being a socialist feel about the fact that the pledge was written by a socialist? He didn't add 'under god', obviously, but he wrote the original version. Yes, he was christian, but also a socialist. Kinda funny and ironic, imo...

Because as you may not care about the statement in god we trust ... often when you dig a little deeper you will find that when it comes to something like this it isn't about god at all, in fact it has nothing to do with god.

Its really an opportunity for an otherwise evil person to attack those who do believe in god.

HUH ??????

This is the stupidest comment I have read yet.

If you don't like the words, then the only thing for you to do is go to a country that has not have it printed on their money. I would suggest either Iran, or North Korea

You must be one of the eleven percent. Funny how the minority post outnumber majority posts by 5 to 1, yet the polls are vastly different.

Ramen.

{In God we trust} it is a great motto actually. All peoples - in different nations and religions - need to apply it . That means love, success and the happiness of the humanity .

actually Mona, it does not encompass all people, it specifically excludes at least 20% of us.

Those who insist on taking the phrase out are just part of the 14% minority and what they think does not really matter in a world of democracy where the majority (of 86%) rules. The minority just have to suck it up. As materialistic and earthly their wisdom is, what they really care for, within them, is the value of the note. They need attention. Pay attention to them and the louder they cry like babies. For "Dream-292235, this may explains why the minority postings (or cries) outnumber the majority posting by about 5 to 1.

Am curious and surprised about Reverend Long's neutral stand invoking conveniently a quote from Christ about a Roman coin, "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God". History tells us that ancient Rome, including Ceasar's time practiced paganism by worshiping and praying to different "gods and dieties" depending on their needs. As such, one would surmise that the word "God" or any phrase refering to "God" was nowhere inscribed on that roman coin, as it is on ours today. Would Jesus have answered differently given our present situation? Surely, you would love to quote Him again - conveniently - but in absence of it, where do you stand now? You would probably revert back suggesting to "Let the government print dirty limericks on the money, if it makes them happy . . or . . catch they fancy". The phrase in question here is "In God we Trust" or "God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Do you really think that such phrase is "dirty limericks"?

Those who insist on taking the phrase out are just part of the 14% minority and what they think does not really matter in a world of democracy where the majority (of 86%) rules. The minority just have to suck it up.

That's funny because we live in a constitutional republic where the majority has no right to infringe upon minorities.

By your logic, every single group that has ever been marginalized, oppressed, beaten, or discriminated against in modern society just had to "suck it up". After all, might makes right, does it not?

Those who insist on taking the phrase out are just part of the 14% minority...

14% is an imaginary number. It means nothing.

...and what they think does not really matter in a world of democracy where the majority (of 86%) rules.

By all means, declare your unabashed and dedicated support for the death penalty, safe and legal abortion, and stem cell research right now, since each one is supported by a majority.

As materialistic and earthly their wisdom is, what they really care for, within them, is the value of the note.

Newsflash: There are Christians and Christian groups who also want the phrase removed, since they see it as blasphemy and/or idolatry.

They need attention. Pay attention to them and the louder they cry like babies.

What's your excuse?

For "Dream-292235, this may explains why the minority postings (or cries) outnumber the majority posting by about 5 to 1.

Ad hom attacks are a good sign that you're in over your head, and you know it. People who have an intelligent rebuttal have no need to make personal attacks.

Regards