I am SO angry with my government right now I could cuss.

Of course, they can move to Detroit. and other towns in the rust belt they'll feel right at home!

Course there wont be any Red-Cross to feed'em and tuck'em in of get them new homes. in America we don't do that for our own..

Maybe they'd be better off in Haiti ;)

Seriously, what would be the mechanism for indicting some of these politicians for dereliction of duty?

yep,i can see it now,just as the liberials did with the samolian refugess in the early 90"s they will bring a few select million familys here set them up in free houseing,send them a welfare check every month,foodstamps,ect. an let them live happly ever after,they will live like kings compared to where they came from all so the bleeding heart liberals can sleep at night,they have earned there way into heaven when they die you know,im sick of there whole B.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not acceptable....we would not be facing this problem had they been kept from entering the country in the first place.

This is why we need secure borders

Who says crime doesnt pay? She also ordered sheriff Joe not too arrest any illegal immigrants like 6 months ago.. Im sure all of them will be very happy working over here, ohh wait there isnt any work...

I am SO sick of hearing this sad story! There are thousands of US people who need help. Many can not even by food and we are clamoring to send money to people who most likely will not see it. What about a found for people who are living in shelters? What about the fact that so many of our own people are starving? Oh no lets help someone else's!! WHY!!!!

those people have no clue how to industrialize there country,they are desends of the slave trade in the 1700's,they lived in the jungle,they lived off the jungle,thats the only insticnt they have,the brits an the french have created this mess around the world,maybe they are the ones that should fix it!!!

sad to say but they are a very stupid people,just look at most african nations,always in termoil!!! those that brought the slaves to the whole world should be brought to justice an jailed!!!

F*ck you people are sick. Every damn one of you.

If we enter China illegally do you think they'll let us stay because of the disaster of this administration?

So you'd like us to be like China?

They are here ILLEGALLY...It would be different if they were legal

It certainly should be a humanitarian policy not to send someone into disaster....but once the disaster is resolved, then it should be back to business and rule of law. The media and DC just don't understand the rules anymore and keep making their own in order to perpetuate a government structure that actually is a quite a distortion of what our forefathers created.

The US needs to understand that charity does begin at home. There is more here in our country that needs funding and attention more than almost any other geo-political hot spot....and at some point our government must start living up to its sworn oath to its citizens first.

This isn't a joke or something that should be treated lightly anymore. Those in office either figure this out or the citizens will make sure you understand in our due time by any means necessary. The good news is that our founders gave us a way to achieve this peacefully...those currently in office should pray that it continues to work this way.

Disasters like Haiti only shine a brighter light on the corruption and misguided ideologies of foolishness that most of our elected officials choose to pursue.

As soon as one of these illegals commits a serious crime it will be headline news and give conservatives that much more fodder against Obama.

Here's an idea:

Why don't we punish these law breakers by sending them back to Haiti to help with the relief effort? They must be rested and nourished enough after living off of our welfare system.

Calm down, what's the fuss? Don't you remember what Napolitano said: "We're" the real enemy. Everybody else, everywhere else is ok, it's just us dangerous American conservatives that she's worried about.

God help all of the residents of Florida that will have to endure and cope with the nightmare that is about to happen. Say a prayer.

Absolutely Not !!

Granting Haitians who are already in this country temporary protected status actually changes very little, and is a good thing on so many levels. All this order does is extend to those who are already in this country, albeit illegally, a temporary reprieve from being forced back into a country in which they would face all but certain death.

While "conservatives" may get all up in arms about this action, holding fast to the Constitution they claim to know and love, there is a little thing called the Fourteenth Amendment (part of our Constitution, contained in the Bill of Rights; if you don't like it, use one of the other powers granted to you by that document, your freedom to speak and petition your government for change... that's how a democracy works).

The amendment states, in relevant part: "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;..." we can dispense with that fairly easily: illegal immigrants are not citizens of the United States, so that clause doesn't apply... it is the very next two clauses that are of particular importance here: "Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within it's jurisdiction [anyone here, no matter how] equal protection of the laws."

Just as no state could force any citizen off of a busy street, and back into his burning house (even if he was holding up traffic, and making everyone's life temporarily inconvenient), We the People have specifically denied the government the power to round up the Haitians within our jursdiction (which at the very least means within our borders) and send them back to Haiti for 18 months, or until conditions down there get back to the level of squalor the Haitians previously enjoyed. In reality, this order wasn't a discretionary decision made by a leftist/socialist president, it was an order required by a document that we hold up as the Supreme Law of the Land (again, if you don't like it, I fully support your efforts to change it, which can be done... but that's how things stand today).

Another thing; halting the current deportation procedures and letting the people who are currently locked up awaiting deportation (at least the non-violent, whose only crime was illegal entrance into, or illegally extending their legitimate, visa-based stay in, this country) confers a few benefits on global society in general (working illegals will send money back to Haiti, so our tax dollars are safer on that front), but of more importance to most, very tangible benefits to US society specifically: The United States Department of Justice requested a $44,579,000 budgetary increase for this year specifically to "accomodate the increased housing requirements for criminal aliens apprehended along the Southwestern Border." (see DOJ website, www.justice.gov/jmd/2010justification/office/fy10-ofdt-justification.doc - page 35 of budget). Specifically, this increase was requeted for a projected number of 7,000 detainees, who are detained for an average of 55 days. Lets do the math real quick: $44.6M divided by 7,000 people, who are detained on average 55 days means that it costs the Federal Government about $111 of our tax dollars per day to keep an illegal alien locked up (while these numbers are for the texas border, the math must be the same for federal immigration lockups all over... forgive my failure to find exactly how much it costs to keep a specifically Haitian illegal locked up...) So, ultimately, the long view of this order shows that, not only is it required by the Constitution, but it also could very well save us money on at least two fronts...

One final point: Some posts on here advocate sending the illegals back, regardless of the consequences to their lives, simply because they are illegal. They broke the Law when they snuck into this country. I don't dispute that fact. What I do take issue with though is the suggestion that we would somehow be justified in sentencing someone to death (or atleast cruel and unusual punishment) for sneaking in. That pesky Constitution thing we've got has another thing to say about this (if you don't like it, I again fully support your efforts to change it): the Eigth amendment forbids cruel and unusual punishment, which generally means the punishment must fit the crime, and not be more severe than the crime warrants (as determined by societal standards). If we as a society believe that the crime of sneaking into this country is such that it warrants the death penalty, once again, contact your representatives and effect some change. If you're calling for death to illegals, especially Haitian illegals, just to raise pulses, or because it is the polar opposite of what the other side believes, without putting any kind of thought behind that call, its likely time to sit down and have a serious talk with yourself about a thing or two.

Only real problem with this is while letting them stay for awhile till things level out at home is fine but you can bet somewhere between now and Nov of this year the left will find away to make it OK for these illegals to vote too-but then they probably will try and make all illegals eligible to vote for them letting them sta for now is the right thing extending it to far is just more dirty politics but then as shown in Mass the Democrats are good at playing on sympathy ( Vote a democrat because Ted is dead )

Wonder how many babies will be sired by these "temporary legals" while in the U.S? However many, they will be real "legals", won't they?

Dave,

A few points of clarity:

While "conservatives" may get all up in arms about this action, holding fast to the Constitution they claim to know and love, there is a little thing called the Fourteenth Amendment (part of our Constitution, contained in the Bill of Rights; if you don't like it, use one of the other powers granted to you by that document, your freedom to speak and petition your government for change... that's how a democracy works).

The fourteenth amendment applies to those, "born and naturalized in the United States." Upon being born or naturalized they become citizens and are then protected by the Constitution. Those here illegally are not entitled to such priveleges. Additionally, we are not a democracy, we are a representative republic and the Bill of Rights commonly refers only to the first 10 amendments.

the Eigth amendment forbids cruel and unusual punishment, which generally means the punishment must fit the crime, and not be more severe than the crime warrants (as determined by societal standards).

Again, this amendment also applies only to US citizens. As you also state several times about changing the constitution...one, we don't need to change it, we just need to follow it. Secondly, wouldn't the better solution be for those who come here illegally to change their OWN government so they can secure the blessings of liberty in their own country?

Finally, in respect to your post that it would be cheaper to keep them...the amount to temporarily house them prior to deportation is much less than providing them with payments from our welfare state indefinitely. Illegals don't pay income taxes which would help support the welfare they are receiving. You are correct that they tend to send money 'home' which certainly doesn't help OUR economy.

Please don't take the Constitution out of context to fit your arguments. Leave that to our corrupt politicians.

I bet he's glad the eartquake struck, so he could use a "viable" excuse for not deporting his brothers.

Um...Dave, since you are such an angel, you move down to Miami and rent a property in the Little Haiti district and then you can see first hand why granting them TPS will be bad for the community of Miami.

I'll also let you in on a dirty little secret that you won't see the media reporting on. African Americans and Black Islanders generally don't get along, there is alot of racism that I witness first hand all the time down in Miami. They may share a similar skin color but they don't share a similar culture. This isn't merely an observation on my part, I have talked to numerous people about it. I also observed similar racism amongst various Asian people when I lived in Los Angeles.

craig, I do live in Miami. your argument on race essentially boils down to an endorsement of the racism that you are right to point out exists between the clashing cultures down here; because they're racist, it's ok to pick out one of the groups to get rid of...

Atlas, the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment applies to all persons within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States (see US Supreme Court case: Plyler v. Doe, 1982... specifically noting that the different words used in the amendment, 'citizen' and 'person,' was not an accident), whether here legally or illegally. Because of the Equal Protection Clause, the Eighth Amendment also applies equally to all persons within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States. This isn't my construction of the Constitution, it is that of the Supreme Court. They are charged with upholding the Constitution, so again, if you want it changed, set about changing it: I'll fight to the death for your right to do so, and the Court will have to abide by what that document ends up saying.

As to welfare; TPS does not authorize illegals to live off of welfare. It does remove impediments to them getting jobs, and enables them to live and work here until it would no longer be cruel and unusual to send them home. Besides, even if they were living off of welfare, there is no way that welfare pays anywhere near the $111 per person per day that the DOJ says it costs to detain them.

wow, our government boggles the mind, a disaster in haiti means a free pass for criminals here? why doesnt this suprise me they are alredy trying to enact an amnesty, might as well give the few remaining jobs to these criminals from other countries. People are getting pissed, I keep expecting some serious repercussions, and if the plight of free American citizens keeps worsening then who knows what may happen.

You know if these Haitians are such good folks that we should give them a free pass, why arent they already struggling mightily to get home and take care of rebulding their country and seeing to the safety of their families....?

First, the punishment of sneaking over hear illegally should be going back home unless they claim assylum and there's none to claim right now; next, welfare is freaking costly. Think of all the overhead associated with writing a check to an illegal immigrant, and they do get lots and lots and lots of wellfare. Dave, you are thinking on such a shallow level, thousands of people work in the Social Secuirty offices that deal with wellfare. They own property, computers, other assets and have salaries, etc. That's very expensive. I have to go back to the whole 8th and 14th ammendment because it makes me mad that you mentioned that. There is no way that you could prove that is cruel and unusual. And, this is just another move for the government to put a foot further in the door of total control. I don't care if you're a democrat or a republican, our government is overstepping its bounds. Goverment needs to get back and keep themselves in check. Checks and balances is all fair and well but if each department is overpowered then it doesn't matter if they check themselves. It's too late for us. The story about V for Vendetta is cheesy but very relative here. This is how this stuff comes about. Something bad happens then a rule is made. Then another rule and another and before you know it, you're so "protected" that you can't use the bathroom in private anymore. What if a prison burned down and the convicts ran into your house and I said they could stay there since the prison was being rebuilt for now. You're out of your mind!

insurgents are insurgents.. all need to be run down and sent to gitmo

Did you know that Mexicans can be deported, but as soon as a Chinese steps foot on our land they can stay!

The next step is to legalize or give an infinite pass to all Mexicans here as well - you know it's not safe to return to Mexico with all the drug lords running amuck.

Your buddy Ronnie Ray-Gun already did that back in the 1980s. So go back under your rock!

And your buddy's gonna do it again!

Ronny Ray-Gun????? I thought it was that President who's so stupid he didn't even know he was getting a B.J. "I didn't have sex...". You know, NAFTA? That wonderful idea invented by the last bunch of Democratic morons? Oh, wait, Obama brought them back didn't he?

of course, people only remember the part of the IRCA bill that suits their point of view.

The OTHER part of IRCA??

That would be the part that made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants.

Yes, that same Act that we are using today to punish employers.

Do some research next time, Uranus

(Simpson-Mazzoli is the actual name of it)

Whole bunch of new Democratic voters. Before they even become citizens. Not in Chicago though; they're not dead yet.

Can you believe these things? I don't think you can call them human, they have no heart or soul.

you are a moron and a fool my dear sir or maybey maam

lib50, unfortunately you will not live to see the harvest of your bleeding heart. YOur kids though will be living in an America of wall to wall 3rd world country masses living like the dazed fly slapping begging trash they are in their countries. Resources gone, trees gone, clean water gone, the parks denuded of foilage and living creatures, trash and garbage piled high, junked cars everywhere and everybody wandering where the next free bowl of rice and beans are going to come from.

Oh, for godssake, get a grip. We are discussing a natural disaster on a huge scale in the poorest country in our hemisphere. Yes, the US is still coming out of a near depression, but it is happening - take some econ classes and find out how long it takes - hint - it is a slow process. And spending your way out of a depression or recession is sometimes necessary. You fools were not out there bitching when Bush took our surplus into a deficit, and when the economy stabilizes we will take care of it. Find your fricken humanity and leave your bank statement out of it.

lib50- yes it is a major disaster - and yes they need help and letting them stay even if illegal is fine short term, but you can bet long term the Democrats will figure a way to make them eligible to vote before Nov and 30000 illegal voters on top of the others they will slip in is not acceptable- help them yes let them stay awhile yes but a year and a half - the government (under Bush to save you saying it) and under current administration did not give NOLA that much help nor any other area inside the US that got hit in past few years- but because this plays to one segment of voters and gives them a potential windfall of more votes (even if not legal ones) says something about tthe thinking behind all this past helping fast

lib50:

glad to see you can still carry the torch for your messiah. However, with the transparancy in the administration so good, you can't see it. Spending billions to Unions and so on, i mean that's a lot of $, and best part is, the people getting it, can spend it how they feel fit, without haveing to answer to congress. Secret meeting behind closed doors, keeping out the people WE elected that actually are trying to help. the debate on this healthcare reform as Nobama said he would have live on cspan. yet we don't see that happening either by the recent sounds of it. so...back on this "transparent" government he promised... it would seem it was more transparent before his election.

what about the detention centers already holding not just immigrants, but US civilians as well? giving everyone heath care that even his own people admit is impossible, without jacking taxes so high people wont even get a paycheck after the shares needed are taken out.

10-17% unemployment rate, can't get an accurate assesment because his numbers on what is so called saved (by giving $ to people who's jobs were not affected by the economic downturn, and pay increase), vs the people being laid off now, and those who still,STILL can't find any work, is nothing but jibble, because he stacked the cards.

It's time we see out "transparent government" for what it is. His czars don't answer to anyone but him? that's BS people, they answer to US, the taxpayor. It's time we start getting not just answers, but results, on how this retardo Nobama, plans on makeing us all this money, and getting our jobs back.

Taxing the banks....what a moron. wait....he isn't the moron, we are, for letting him do all these things to cripple our nation, to line the pockets of his buddies, and the Unions, and not say a dam word to stop or prevent him from still douing it. Al lhis tax breaks, and so on he was talking about is crap. He told us what we wanted to hear to get a vote, and now it is in office, it is haveing a field day in our federal reserve. wonder if pelosi and franks held his hand as they all walked to see all the pretty $ the taxpayer had.

That's it, liberal, don't get angry about it. Just think that because Obama is doing it, it must be right.

lib50, where did natural disaster come up in this conversation? And which country IS suffering a disaster? Haiti or America?

Both, I surmise. and read the headline above. "Haitians in U.S. illegally allowed to stay." Does the pause come after U.S. or illegally? Makes a difference.

a natural disater in haiti has little to do with the situation of criminal haitians in the USA except to give bleeding hearts the ecuse to give them a free pass, and as these criminals continue to increase in numbers you better believe we will gradually become more and more of a third world type country. Lok at the state of the union today and get a clue....

lib50, where did natural disaster come up in this conversation? And which country IS suffering a disaster? Haiti or America?

Haiti suffered a natural disaster. This thread is about Haitians. See the connection?

We are suffering from a recession, that was almost a depression. We are one of the most successful countries in the world, and our economic indicators are looking up. Are you seriously trying to compare us to Haiti?

Are you aware of what the GDP is for Haiti and Mexico? You are mistaken in your rant.

And you just figured that out!! This has been going on for years and years and years!

no sheet!!!!

If the GDP in ANOTHER country is low, it's NOT OUR FAULT! We are NOT and should NOT try to be everything to everyone.

If a person earns money they have the right to do whatever it is that they want to with it. You have no right to dictate to anyone how their money should be spent. Think about it like this ...if they weren´t sending money home to mom, dad, or wife and children then those folks they are feeding there would be in the US instead. Many of the folks sending money are LEGAL or CITIZENS. I get money every two weeks from a US CITIZEN...it isn´t any of your business how we spend our money.

Ix- agree with you on what legals do with their money is their business BUT illegals send money home and we pay for everything they get or need here so in that instance it is our business- they are illegal and as such are not entitled to do as they please- what legal people and citizens do with their money is their own business (within the law) but giving the same right or privilege to a crook ( illegals are crooks) makes no more sense then giving constitutional protects to people living in another country- time this country put its citizens and those here legally first

I get money every two weeks from a US CITIZEN...it isn´t any of your business how we spend our money.

then why make it a point of conversation if it isn't our buisness, why put it out there? i'm glad you were able to find a tax free handout, not many can anymore.

Meg, because the poster was complaining about money being wire transferred out of the country..not illegal immigrants alone. The poster failed to realize that the major part of money transferred abroad is done so by legal immigrants and citizens. I have a friend in Houston who sends his Godson money every two weeks as well.

Dragon, if the person earned the money then no it isn´t your business...the only thing that would be the business of the people is if they pay their taxes or not..not what they do with money they worked for. If you purchase cigarettes every day with your money that is your concern because you EARNED it...not because you are a citizen...and like I pointed out...which would you rather...they send money home or their entire family be in the US?

how about, i prefer not to go hog crazy making illegals leagal to solve a problem we have no buisness dragging our feet on in the 1st place. Fix our economy, get the nation in a good orderly direction, jobs for everyone, not just buddies. where i see our government being tossed into the communist China sespool of crap. Get our government on the right track, before rakeing in off of people who can't afford to pay. we need more government jobs because we have so many living off the government now, caseworkers are overloaded. who pays the case workers wage? the government, who pays out for government wages? WE DO!

i say we ship every illegal back where they came from, with a promise untill things look better, next time you try to cross, will be your last. untill we are economically ready to start takeing in REAL people who want to do REAL things for this country. Not live off of it. This illegal problem we have, is all hyped up, because our gonernment refuses to act accordinly for the sake of our country, and instead of solving problems, they are looking for ways to make money from them instead of fixing REAL issues. you can't make money just by spending it, when there is no return.

how much $ are people going to be oweing on taxes? how is it going to happen that with all this $ being tossed around to everything but where it is needed, all that $ being paid back? it isnt...they can't even come up with a heathcare reform solution that actually doesnt have the government putting in more than it recieves, but they want to pass the bill anyway...wtf is that? so we have a reason to make it possible to put a count on all iillegals...make them all legal...yea...thats gonna fix a problem isn't it?

Watch as our wonderful Nobama will make a US pledge for billions. a great start for a poor little lost country. i hope people realise, for 1 billion dollars, you can build a lot of very nice houses on haiti. just let the good ol' US step in and take that over for you, show you how to squeeze blood from a rock

Actually, the bigger reason the US doesn't "have any fricken money" is because we have spent that money on good produced in other countries. We buy more products from other countries compared to how much they spend on our products and services. So then they have our money (unless they choose to lend it back to us, as China does). Whether you choose to send your money to other countries in exchange for stuff to fill up your house...or whether you choose to send your money to other countries for charity...it has pretty much the same effect on US economics.

it's because we have been sold out, by too many snakes in the oval office, thats why we are broke. by the ridiculously thinking, that with the amount of money they are missing, and throwing away, we are going to be so stupid, as not notice? or is it too ignorant to care? our new adminsitration being based on one lie, and scam after another, as to how we are makeing great changes, and my lunacy idea's on making the US the great nation it once was, and more. how they are keeping us safe, by slowly tearing out chunks of the constitution 1 piece at a time, and replaceing it with a dictatorship, rather a free land.

people, kids, being tought that our forefathers of the constitution, were traitors. "they were considered traitors by the British", does not constitute being a traitor in the US! This was how the US was founded. By standing up to dictatorship, not embraceing it! If you can't see that's where our constitution is headed, better start looking, and seeing the facts. At this moment, if we all said enough, get these crooks out of office now, Nobama can without the concent of congress, declare Martial Law, and sole power of the US will be handed to him, or any president to come, a dictaorship? didn'y know that did you? Why do you think they are all talking about another attack, big one in the US? if its going to be such a big attack as they said, what do we hear being done about it? After this "big attack" comes, well...just wait, see what comes. you wont like it, i tell you that much.

ILLEGAL ALIENS should be treated as the CRIMINALS they are.........!!!!!!!!

I sympathize with Haiti, I really do, BUT it seems that our foreign policy is such that, anytime a natural disaster happens ANYWHERE, it hits the USA by proxy. THAT's what is ****ing me off. Somehow this is going to transform into another nation-building commitment - you WATCH.

We are talking about the poorest country in our hemisphere. If you kick them out, where exactly would they go?

lib -

Where do they go? In general, back where they came from like all other illegal aliens should be doing. We can hold off on deportation for a short time but liberals think temporary means permanent and vice versa.

What do we owe them? Why don't YOU send them all YOUR money if it makes YOU feel better. Keep your hands out of MY pockets.

If you kick them out, where exactly would they go?

They're entitled to have a fruitful and satisfying life in whichever country they were born, or whichever country is willing to accept them legally as immigrants or guest workers. What they're NOT entitled to is to sneak into this country against the rules that the host country has made.

What they're NOT entitled to is to sneak into this country against the rules that the host country has made.

Yeah..i sent my share of them back after feeding them rice beans and watered down kool-aid and i got paid to do it.

That said i did find them very gratefull, some thing that most americans seem not to be anymore for anything.

To them something to eat and a safe place to sleep is heaven.
I would rather go to jail here than live there and i have been there.

Why not offer them a chance to serve this country in afghanistan or iraq as troop relief if they do a good job allow them to stay.

It is not like we could,nt use them..i am sure there will be other countries for us to go to war with as long as there are politicians running the world.

retired CG- not a bad idea only one flaw- most illegals do not bother to learn enough English to do anything but say I need- so how do you send them anywhere to work with troops that mainly speak English but then in this (language) they are not that different from those "legally " here and in some cases are citizens but have not bothered to learn English expecting others to learn their language instead

Some hiatians speak english , i used to trade with them sometimes for nick nacks ..i would give them some old shoes for some wooden carved turtles or other stuff.

But you're right about the some of them .
So we need to send someone who can speak the language with them..not that hard to do.

some people who are smarter than me..ok thats probably at least 50% of the U.S.A. can learn a 2nd language and the get paid extra for it .

You assume wrong. We have millions upon millions of illegals in the US and NO ONE is "keeping tabs" on them.

One "initial crime" is enough. The libs WILL turn this "temporary" status into permanent either by law or neglect.

Please, do tell, what do republicans do about illegal immigration when they have the power?

Lib- we are talking about the illegals not about what politicians do must be nice

to only have to say what do the others do every time there is a question about something- this is not about what would the left or right did or would do it is about what is being done and needs to be done- but in answer to your question they did nothing more or less then the Democrats did and another reason we need at least one more real party that is truly different and for the people and not themselves

but in answer to your question they did nothing more or less then the Democrats did and another reason we need at least one more real party that is truly different and for the people and not themselves.

??????????????

they should go home and help their country and families through this disaster, isnt that what you would do? No one could stop me from rushing back to my family....this shows what kind of people these criminals are, and the bleeding hearts who love them so much will become their new "prey" now there will be some justice for you!

Want to make a joke about a possible death toll of 140,000?

nope, joking just like the looks of our government when the ran for office.....

can see them in the back room of the oval office now....

" they thought i was serious when i said tax cuts, jobs for everyone, transparent gov. and so on? i was only jokeing...shhhesh some people can't tell a good joke if it hits them on the mullet."

one must admit it is rather funny, perhaps Gods punishment for their invasion of America?

Yea, I will make a joke about it: I call it thinning the herd. Haiti was a prosperous French run plantation state once and its agrigulture products were the envy of the region. The Haitians rose up, secured their liberty and then did what exactly??? They have been stealing, ravaging and screwing themselves and the land ever since. One half of that island is a stable, law abiding relatively prosperous country of Spanish Speaking descendents of black slaves called the Dominican Republic. The other half of the island is a vast @!$%# filled despora of never ending crime, pillage, murder, theft, corruption and self-inflicted despair. Let nature take its ruthless and efficient course and they will all die off and more hardy and deserving people will inhabit the place.

Amen....Very well said, I feel bad for them and all but help them on a private basis, our government and public sector needs to stay out of this mess. Someone above said, give them YOUR money and keep your hands out of MY pockets, also very well said. I'm sorry that you got screwed but I have my own problems (lesser problems) to deal with and I have a good life. I'm working too hard to avoid a disaster happening to me and mine. So I'm sorry again but to each his own, if you want to help someone else do it, but don't make me do it. I help people, but I choose who I help so stay away from me when I want to help a 3rd world that starting to thrive (ie. Lesotho), not one that went form terrible to really terrible.

Haiti is the poorest country in the Western hemisphere. The last I heard their unemployment rate was 60%. That is not a typo. Their unemployment rate is 60%. There is little work at the best of times and now is clearly not the best of times. This is why most of their money comes from outside the country because there is no easy way to earn money inside the country. $50 US dollars a week sent back to Haiti is an incredible amount of wealth to those people. This is why they try and escape their country and find work elsewhere, even if it is illegal work. It is better than seeing your family starve and I mean literally starve, not what an American means by starving which is living on hamburgers and pizza.

Can't you tell most of these disgusting excuses for human beings don't care? It is all about THEM and their MONEY. They don't want to understand.

I do care about MY money. I choose what charities to give to. And give I do. A lot. Probably a lot more than you, percentage-wise.

I will NOT have YOU or the government making that decision for me. Especially when it violates law. So quit calling others disgusting.

While the situation was terrible before the quake, they really do need to rebuild now and they really need to do it themselves with some (only some) help from us and other countries. If we do everything, they will not gain one bit.

unemployment was only 60%, now with all the shag-shacks in rubble, going to be about 97%.

The strength of a government is only as strong as the will of its people. can see how strong we are, we got all the big toys, but out people are growing weak. willing to accept sell outs in office, over a promise of Great Historical Change. well i guess it is historical....he's run the country into the ground in no time flat. has stolen $ from under our noses, and we thank him...well we were till we figured out what he was pulling.

We need a real transparent government. The old behind closed doors trick, and makeing threats against congressmen and women of martial law, if votes are not made to pass bills we don't need. i want a government that was intended for my children, a government that cares not who can set a record for biggest scam jobs, but one in place for the people by the people, not by the people whitewashed with lies, and false hopes. we have way....waaay too much government pork. time to cook the bacon and clean out the fridge. take all that pork and put it to use makeing jobs for the jobless, and no government jobs!!! the government was never meant to be a franchise, it isn't working, what makes people think it will? selling our goods to people who won't buy, because they cost more than what they can afford? hell, we can't even afford our own products because Union Made stands for over priced labor.

Unions make $ off of other companies and thier employees. they don't make $ for them. Grant it, if i would have stayed in my Union (paying an outrageous dues fee), i might be working atm, instead of being laid off. I will work for a NON-UNION shop, ty very much. there are still plenty of places that pay a fair wage before the Unions stepped up to plate running other buisness out of town. oh...they dont do that? 2004, i was working for the steel construction industry. last meeting i attended was a boasting match, how our Union rep, was fighting so hard for us, he saw a general contractor doing work (roofing), on a company, his exsact words....

' i saw these comapany trucks doing work on a construction site, that should have been done by Union workers. I pulled into the site and looked up the owner of the building. After letting him know how the Union Workers will do a better job for him, and his buisness, he sent the company he had hired packing."

I was not only shocked, but dissapointed. Grant it they are there to help us, get work, and so on, however, to strong arm (maybe dont seem like it to you, but the speech he gave, had made it clear) comapanies into giving them jobs.

What did the Union do for me while i was employed there at this const. comapany? well, each year they took my raise, and said it was going to keeping the insurance. hmmmm..we were paying insurance for each hr we worked, and about 5,000 members in this Union. $7.00 per hr per person for insurance? yet, when i needed to take my little girl to a specialist, i was denied. i paid in over $9K for insurance that year. $9K more than what my doctors visits were, all my trips to the ER, and so on, meaning i had none. Actually, i dont think but in the whole company, ther mayhave been 3 trips to the doc for injuries. so....when they said they were taking another years raise, i was a bit miffed. Unions dont work for us...they work for themselves.

send them home to help rebuild.............

Are you kidding me....they probably are already voting. Who knows anymore. Our election/voting systems are a disgrace.

I'm sure that an ACORN represenative will be there at the docks to meet them, register them to vote and then chauffeur them to the welfare office,...on your dime!

It's so sad to see all the hate, let us hope and pray this never happens to us here in our own back yard!!

And that is the real reason behind the Democrats "compassion" - Let them stay or go home as they chose for a SHORT time ( and can bet there is a lot of work and with the money being sent there pay for it too if handled right and not just given to the Government) can also bet the Democrats are already thinking of way to get these "protected" illegals able to vote before Nov- Maybe get them into Acorn

2Sassi- you forget it has happened here and the response was no where near as it is for Haiti- to often our government is faster to respond to disasters out side the US then they are inside (both parties)- Heck NOLA 5 years after is still struggling and getting very little help from anyone

they are eating and receiving medical care on the American dime, id say thats plenty of compassion, now send them home to aid in the rebuilding efforts.

With free homes if they move too MA before tue..

No Nibor it doesn´t...TPS recepients do not qualify for welfare.

BEsides being an absolutely ignorant comment, this post reveals the bitter hostility that many on the right feel toward foreigners, and their conspiracy-theory belief that anything done to help the unfortunate is really motivated by a cynical Democratic Party looking for votes

People who look back to Tammany Hall in New York in the 1800's recall that in fact the immigrant ships wwere met by political organizers seeking to take advantage of newcomers for political advantage. Unfortunately, looking back at those times ignores how the abuses of such people were curbed during a great burst of government reform in the 1880-1920 period - led by REPUBLICANS.

In this case, granting temporary refuge to Haitians in the U.S. is really intelligent. Besides the simply practical reality that shipping out people to the cauldron that is Haiti now is virtually a death sentence, it means that people who ARE working and producing (NOT sucking on the "welfare teat") can send money back to Haiti to help, and that they will not become the next wave of Haitian "boat people" again flooding our shores in endless scenes of human tragedy.

People who makes posts such as the original in this thread just don't get it. Selfish, self-absorbed, and terminally stupid, they are the same types of personalities that have crippled Haiti itself for so many decades. "Poor, undeucated, jobless? Gosh, you are just lazy scum! Now get out of the way while I go see how else I can manipulate the markets to make more money our of your misery." Despicable.

John, it is wrong to stereotype everyone for the words of a few. I consider myself a conservative, but not Republican..but I am sure not a Democrat or leftist either.

they can have jobs with Obamas auntie......

Wizbang is hilarious.

Dude, the government should have no hand what so ever in aiding Haiti, Americans should choose on a personal basis only, if the government wants to sponsor a go get em rally, great, but our soldiers do not need to be in Haiti, they need to be helping eachother get through the war on terror so we can bring them home. We need to build home defense, if the security council will go all in on the war on terror, fine, let's go, but the US doesn't need to gun it alone. Point being, the government needs to back off.

I fail to understand why they dont want to rush home to help their families and fellow citizens? maybe these arent the kind of people we want after all....oooops, my mistake, they ARENT ones we wanted in the first place, they came here as CRIMINALS.....and of course criminals dont care about anyone but themselves. Good thing us big hearted americans will feed and clothe and give medical treatment to their families so they dont have to worry about them while they are here stealing our jobs and commiting crimes.

We can't send them anywhere else. We're the only ones stupid enough to be pushovers.

Or could we be the ones humane and compassionate enough to give them a reprieve until there is a country to send them back to?

lib50 #17.2,

What about the state of our economy? What about all of the US citizens who have lost their jobs because of the state of our economy and a large number of our jobs shipped overseas __— all with no or little fault of their own ? What about all of our homeless, due to the real estate meltdown, or their loss of job, or both? Isn't our "plate" kind of full now?

Are you suggesting that we forget about US citizens, now in dire straits?

Have you looked at our debt clock lately?

Should we have empathy for these people and their current position? Yes.

Should we give them material assistance? Yes.

Should we allow them to come here, with our current problems? No.

Lib..........And you are naive enough to believe they will come out from under the radar willingly and go home? Surely you must be kidding.

I'll tell you what. You put an advert in your local paper and tell all illegal Haitians your door is open and they can come and live with you. You feed them, clothe them, medicate them, tend to their every need. We are all fed up with illegals.......no matter where they come from.

Hey ! we dont want any illegals in canada ., itll end up looking like the states ;

Hey, why cant they be sent back to help rebuild their country if they are such valuable workers?

No after 18 months there will be a lot of babies to keep their illegal parents in the country and allow them to vote and everything else- crime definately does pay in the case of illegals in US

Dragon, you seem to be very ignorant of what the immigration laws are in the USA. A child NEVER qualifies to keep a parent in the US until that child is 21 years old and makes twice the national poverty limit.

And the only reason they refuse to act is because the voters of whatever nationality the illegals are have them scared of losing that vote- it is all about being elected and the rest of the voters are not that important

SadFor Minnesota #21,

Don't worry, we will.

And everything else will be free as well.

"you people"? You mean like lib50 that calls posters "disgusting", not human, no heart and soul? Is that who you mean?

Thanks for the tolerance.

No, lets all just let our country slip into a @!$%# hole. At some point, we need to put a little effort into helping the citizens of our country out. I have hope for my twin granddaughters future, but it sure gets less and less each day with the crap our government throws out each day. With an attitude like yours, get off your butt and get on the next plane out of this country.

Of course, they can move to Detroit. and other towns in the rust belt they'll feel right at home!

You think like that, larry?

Course there wont be any Red-Cross to feed'em and tuck'em in of get them new homes. in America we don't do that for our own.

That was nice

Maybe they'd be better off in Haiti ;)

My favorite. Which part of that post had heart and soul? Check out any Haiti vine, you will find them.

I just hear Mexico is reporting Massive EarthQuake s thru out Mexico Hoping for the same deal?

Here is another one. There are far worse ones out there.

Do you people realize I live here too, and had to suffer many years while I felt the country was going into a ditch. You need to understand that your time will come again, but most of us are much happier with the direction of the country now. And when it changes, policies will change. Most of the bitching about the economy shows no understanding of anything except deficit spending, which is interesting since Bush turned a surplus into a deficit in record time AND so did the republicans. In fact, I remember them saying deficit spending was not a problem. So forgive me if I just hear sour grapes. And since when do any of you want to help anyone living in THIS country? You bitch about that too. And I'm not moving out, but if you don't like it here, go for it, Sad in MN. We are doing the right thing in helping Haitians.

Now would be a great time for a hurricane to hit Haiti.

Now THIS is full of heart and soul, larry. Wouldn't you agree?

Lib..........We are truly very sorry that you have "suffered." We should by all means help the Haitians.....IN HAITI........but not here. If they are illegal they need to be rounded up and sent home, like all other illegals. Sixty days, not 18 months. Do you realize how many anchor babies can be born in 18 months??????

Where do you plan to send them if they can't stay here TEMPORARILY?

6-8 months would be about right but am sure the liberals want at least 12 and Napoleons 18 is way to long but then the main thing the liberals are looking at is the babies that can be conceived and born and less then 9 months would not help them get more illegals legalized with the births

lib............That's a moot point. First, we have to catch them, which no one seems to even try to do. Then they have to have a hearing. By then Haiti will be as good as it is ever going to get. Everyone seems to forget that a nation like Haiti that has been tormented forever by crime, lawlessness, corruption and dictatorship could in some way pull up its boots and change things. There have been billions of dollars sunk into this country since Papa Doc Duvalier, and it has gone nowhere. It is almost like it is a state of mind. There are many poor nations in the world, but a lot live with pride and peace. Haiti does not. Until the Haitian people themselves realize that they are the makers of their own destinies, we and others can sink billions more into the country to no avail. It is a giant welfare state. And until the mindset changes, it will continue to be so.

To answer your question, Lib.........18 months is too long. But nothing will be done, more will come, we will give them amnesty, they will go on the welfare rolls, their children will go on the welfare rolls and life will go on.

actually it appears from the parcity of libs on this comment thread that the majority dont think like you, the majority want to be rid of these criminal leeches.

And your dog....

my contribution to society gives libnuts like you the ability to steal my wi-fi numbnuts.

He doesn't live in his car any more than I live on the moon.