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from:msnbc.comThe car belonging to an Arizona mother who allegedly told her ex-boyfriend she'd killed their 8-month-old son was found Tuesday in Texas, but the baby remained missing, an FBI spokesman said.
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Come on MSNBC, signs of a struggle? With an eight month old?
This is the AP reporting not MSNBC.
O God please protect that poor little baby and let him be alive...please do not let another young mother murder her child for no reason at all.
is any one giving odds that she will come clean when she understands that she will be in prison for along time unless she produces the baby
Jack Bauer could get the truth from her, i say send him in to have afew nice words and ask a few questions.
seriously tho....this is one of those cases where torture would come in real handy....give me say...3-5 minutes alone with this woman, she'll tell you anything in the world you want to know, includeing where that little boy is. how long and how many times are we going to take this i ain't talking crap when it comes to missing children? This child could be in some kind of peril, on a black market trade for some kind of perverted freak who needs a boy slave to groom for all we or anyone but her knows.
i say get out a few tools of trade, and start getting some information from her.
tellin' ya...5 minutes of me and her time...all i need. being pathetic as she is, she will in no way enjoy the treats no matter how much pain she is into...we all have a limit.
It says "signs of violence", not a struggle.
Oh my gosh what an awful story!! Some people shouldn't have kids. The fact that she would even SAY that she killed the baby is evil. You can't just lie about something like that - if it is a lie. It isn't like calling in sick when you want to sleep in you know?? People disgust me sometimes!! Poor dad. I mean if she didn't want to be a mother and he wanted to be a father who is she to take his baby and give it to another couple or kill him!! Now I have a crappy baby-daddy (like seriously really really crappy) but I would never tell him that our daughter is dead.
Talk about bad ju-ju (sorry I don't know how to spell it so you'll have to sound it out my apologies) e'ffing awful karma!!
What exactly is a "baby-daddy"??? I have heard that expression before and it eludes me as to what it means. When did the term "father" disappear??
If he acted like a father I would call him a father. He has chosen to ignore the fact that he even has a daughter for over a decade. Infact it will be 11 years on the 12th.
He doesn't deserve to be called a father thus he is dubbed baby-daddy. Or if it would be better I could just call him my sperm doner.
midwest I thought we were discussing an eight month old baby boy
Some people should be sterilized.
Another example of a female that should not be allowed to breed.
Making babies is NOT a right, but a priviledge to those who can and will properly raise the child in a loving environment and provide it with all its necessities.
Not mechanism's for income, as has been modeled and utilized by so many ...
Disgraceful and disgusting.
Women have always thought their rights to their child supercede any rights of the father, the child itself, the law,etc.,simply because they carried the child to birth. Men have little or no rights when it comes to children.
I am pro choice,however,I know quite a few divorced fathers who have to endure an almighty attitude from their ex spouse. Not to mention the fathers who were never married. Most have the attitude pay me my child support, however, when it comes to the child, I am the sole decision maker. Your opinion doesn't count. If you upset me in anyway, you can't see your child. I'll make your life a living hell,etc. etc.
It's time for women to quit using their children as a pawn for revenge,threats, and financial gain. It's the same double standard, we want equality when it's convienent, when it's not, I am a poor helpless female being victimized by a male dog. Do you ever see a woman on TV or in the headlines for cheating on their spouse? No. You would think famous,high profile women are never unfaithful(we all know that's not true). Even when they do cheat, it's still the man's fault for whatever reason they choose(he was never home because of work, he was bad in bed, he was emotionally distant or abusive,etc.) It's never their fault. However, when a man cheats their are no excuses. He's just a dog.
It's time to end the double standard. I hope they find the child, give custody to the Dad, and throw her under the jail. I'm sure she will claim some kind of emotional distress, caused by him, to get out of any consequences. Everyone will feel sorry for this poor woman mistreated by a man, when it's all said and done.
Wolf - I don't agree with you, putting women in one lump. Not ALL women do what you say they do.
I too am PRO CHOICE. And I know fathers who have to endure alot from their ex spouse.
I have a grandchild, whose Father never sees him. But then, the Father's parents don't have anything to do with the child either. And while they might hate my daughter, the mother, that's no excuse on their behalf for shunning the child. But they'll bust the Church doors down every Sunday to show their rightousness. I would like to announce to the church what a wonderful CHRISTIAN grandmother she really is.
My point is, lots of times it is the choice of the father to stay away, all the time bad mouthing the mother. He's behind some $15000.00 in child support. But, he gets away with it (thanks to our government), and he doesn't want to pay, so there you go. This Father has been given every opportunity to see the child. It's easier for him to not work and stay drunk. Only the child suffers. He doesn't have to come around with a check. Hell, go buy groceries, shoes, put money in his school lunch account. DO SOMETHING. Remember to at least call when its the child's birthday and/or Christmas. That goes for the grandparents too.
It's not always a double standard.
Gayle,
Your right. Not all women do those things. And I am sorry for the child who has such a deadbeat Dad. My point was that even men that try to be good fathers are put through the wringer a lot of times by a vengeful woman, the system, or both. I had an instance where I thought a child was mine years ago. The mother was a bad person and had drug issues. The attorney I consulted told me " In this state,unless she comes in here with a heroin needle in her arm, you can forget getting custody".
There are men who manipulate children as well, it's not always exclusive to the women. Stop the gender stereotyping.
That was not my intention either. I am divorced to a deadbeat parent. He could care less if he saw our kids or not. So when I hear women complain because their ex is taking them to court to get more visitation, I want to say.."what's wrong with you?"
Unfortunately there's terrible parents, male and female.
Considering we are only hearing his side of the story I would be VERY carefull about jumping to conclusions.
When I left my Abusive X he attempted to have me institutionalized, he called the police telling them I was going to hurt myself and lots of other crap... in the end he just wanted "custody" of me, by having the courts declairing me incompetent. Terrifying.
Dear wolf, I am afraid that is a two edged sword. I think it is mostly who is the better human being. I am a 69 year old woman who had a child out of wedlock in 1958. (a time when it was not accepted) I was eighteen years old. That child is now fifty years old. I don't have to tell you it was very hard, especially in a poor family. In a lot of cases, the man is the better choice. I have seen crap from both sides. I just pray the little guy is found safe.
I raised my daughter as a single mom with no child support for many years and never once did I deny her father visitation rights, because I was aware of the extenuating circumstances he was dealing with and my focus was more so on the well being of thier relationship than money. When he was able to start paying he did, out of his own free will and still gives alittle extra when he can. It is her money from him, and is put into an account for her. When she needs something like her glasses, school supplies ec, we withdrawl what we need. The rest is being saved for college. Not all custody and support agreements are bitter and nasty disputes. Some people actually try to find common ground in the best interest of thier child(ren).
Bless you and your ex,mommamarrs. If more people could be like you and think of their child(ren) first, it would be a much better world.
Thank you :) for the blessings. I really just remember how it felt to be stuck in the middle of a nasty custody dispute myself as a child, and I would never want to bring any harm or heartbreak to my daughter. It's just offensive for someone to think all women are like that, like we use our kids as a meal ticket and that just isn't so. There are some out there that do, but there's alot of us who either go without, or do like my daughter's father and I. The kids are the most important focus, and even though you may not be able to be together, in a relaionship, you're still tied by hat common bond. I hope they find this baby though, alive and well and that all involved are charged appropriately and this little boys father gets him back. There's been waaaaaaay to much tragedy in the news where our children are concerned.
Wolf... I agree with a lot of what you're saying. I know women who are raising their kids on their own because the father refuses responsibility. But I also know alot of men who want their kids as much as possible and are forced to spend THOUSANDS of dollars fighting for visitation in the courts. These women are control freaks who don't know how lucky they are to have these guys as their baby's father. As for the psycho in this story, I agree she should be sterilized.
I agree. It pisses me off when women won't let their child's father see them. Happened to my husband. His ex girlfriend even moved, and he has no idea where to.
I had a daughter with my high school sweetheart when I was 20, he dumped me, b/c he was interested in being a parent, and wanted to party. I tried hard to get him to have something to do with her, and just now when she's 11 he's finally getting to the being a parent part.
If a dad wants to be involved please let him. Don't manipulate the situation, it's cruel to the child.
The only ones who really get hurt when the other parent behaves that way are the children. There are some extenuating circumstances such as abuse, drug abuse, or anything that would put the child in danger. But if both parents are capable of raising and caring for a child, then both parents should be in the childs life, maybe not as a couple but as a united front. If my own parents could've done this, I think I'd have lots happier memories.
I think she just wants the child to herself, revenge perhaps? She seems to have some deep psychological issues and is just making herself look bad and mentally unfit to the judge by skipping a hearing and telling the father that the baby is dead. It wouldn't surprise me if she was the type of person that would poison her son's mind against the father when he is older or tell him his father's dead. Considering she had the baby car seat and baby items in her vehicle, I am sure he's alive and with relatives or someone she paid to watch the child, or else she wouldn't even be carrying those baby items around, she would have disposed of them to truly make it seem she "killed him" and didn't have any need for his baby items. If she thought by telling the father that the child was dead that he'd give up and move on, she is wrong, he will want answers and will fight even harder to find those answers.
I have a "feeling" these 2 morons need counseling and birth control.
People, male and female, that use their kids to get back at the ex are horrible period.
And its the kid that suffers the most. If all the child has is those type of parents for learning about what love is, then they grow up even more messed up, thinking love is supposed to have strings attached.
Waterboard her to find out where the baby is. Who cares about political correctness when a baby's life hangs in the balance?
Amazing that we have to have a license to drive, but any moron can have a child. The first thing they should do when a parent harms their child is to sterilize them so that they cannot have any more children. Prime example: Andrea Yates
LDA 76,
My point is, men are crucified for certain behaviors, while women are given a pass. I guess their is no such thing as a deadbeat Mom? I've never heard of an instance where a women is put in jail for failure to pay child support. Have you?
Maybe not put in jail, but definitely threatened with it. I have a friend whose wife walked out on him and their two daughters, telling him she didn't want to be a parent. He took her to court and got custody of the girls, plus she was ordered to pay child support (their incomes were approximately the same). After a couple of years, she decided she was tired of paying support and stopped. He went back to the court,she didn't show up for the hearing and continued to not pay support - the court contacted her and told her that if she didn't pay, she would be jailed for contempt of court. So it DOES happen to women as well.
And in regards to something you said earlier - as far as I'm concerned, there is NO excuse that justifies cheating by either a husband or a wife. If there's things you're not getting out of your marriage, either physically or emotionally, then get counselling and work on the issues; and if that doesn't work, get a divorce.
Wolfe, I am a nurse in a womens correction facility and I gaurantee you (in the state of Virginia atleast) that there are plenty of women who are incarcerated for failure to pay child support. I'm talking more than 500 in our facility alone. And our population is 1100.
Hot in Miami,
Women do it all the time. Do you know how often I've heard women say, All men are dogs, or all men cheat? That's my point. The double standard.
Wolf, the strange thing is, when I've been on message boards pertaining to the Tiger Woods situation, there are many MEN who say that all men cheat and it's just the way men are. So it's not just us women making the blanket statement about cheating. I don't ever say all men are dogs - I think all of them are capable of doggish behavior once in awhile, but then again, we women are capable of bitchy behavior as well.
Wolf...
Perhaps you need to hang around with a different class of woman?
No thanks, I'm happily married 10 years
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So your wife calls you a dog and your happily married... LOL
what ever helps you get your Rocks off kid! lol
So if she gave the baby to a San Antonio couple than why haven't they come forward? I'll tell you why,this girl is a criminal and a liar. Doesn't she remind you of someone else? I am sick and tired of listening to the news and hearing about these young selfish girls having babies. Even if they don't destroy them they disturb them for the rest of their lives. It's a shame for these poor innocent souls to be born into these families.
i had a thought, if she got another hotel room under a false name or alias, did anyone check the banks in that town and the town she had traveled to, to see if there were any new accounts opened under the alias name around the same time? seems no one knows why she was in that town, maybe she was opening a savings account to deposit the "adoption fees" .
If she doesn't want the baby and the child's father does want the baby, what was the issue? Is she so bitter towards him that she would rather go to prison than give him the child he wants? What did he do to her, I wonder to cause that kind of hatred?