Too little time and too little agreement mean the 192-nation Copenhagen climate conference is likely to produce, at best, a framework for continuing talks and signing a treaty - next year.
Promises but no treaty likely at climate summit
Seeded on Sat Dec 5, 2009 7:17 PM EST (msnbc.com)


I see the MSM is serving up its daily dose of environmental propaganda, and still blatant refusal to acknowledge there is even a shadow of a doubt about the validity of the statistics they cite.
The latest global averaged satellite temperature data for June 2009 reveals yet another drop in the Earth's temperature. This latest drop in global temperatures means despite his dire warnings, the Earth has cooled .74°F since former Vice President Al Gore released "An Inconvenient Truth" in 2006.
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1799/Earths-Fever-Breaks-Global-temperatures-have-plunged-74degF-since-Gore-released-An-Inconvenient-Truth
Yeah, if these results agreed with the "global warmers" it would be headline news but since it doesn't they and the liberal media ignores it.
climate clowns at it again?.........yawn........
I'm still waiting for any one of these scientists that are in consensus to provide one shred of proof there's global warming.
So far all I hear are crickets.
It is absolutely amazing how the administration has latched onto global warming as if it's been proven to be true. I thought Obama was supposed to be smart. He's nothing but a warmer blindly believing lie after lie.
Scientists acknowledge that there is a doubt. But the doubt is so miniscule that its presence is not felt. Show me the "valid" doubt, 'cause I'm willing to bet that what you call "valid" is really just "ignorant." That seems to be how these things are working.
This whole "world agreement" thing just seems dumb.
We can't even get Iran to let International Inspectors in to verify their nuclear tech, how in the world are we going to manage 196 countries?
My suggestion is this - stop spending money on all of this crap, stop the insanity of fining our own manufacturers unless they are breaking our own pollution laws.
Stop sending aid around the world for 3 years, not forever, just 3 years.
Bring all of our troops home, from everywhere that is not the USA and put them to work on public works projects - we already have them on payroll, why not have them build infrastructure right here?
Issue a 6-month tax holiday on all wages under $200,000 annually.
Provide incentives to consumers to buy monstrously efficient / low polluting cars and same for industry. If VW can make a turbo diesel that gets 42 mpg highway, uh, well, duh?
And one more thing - can someone tell the idiot running the country that now that we have the INTERNET, stop flying all over the country and all over the world. If you need to pow-wow, conference, or give a speech, get yourself one of those newfangled video cameras that hookup to your computer and save us, the country and the world MILLIONS in expense and pollution.
The funny thing is that these sattelites were put up by the government to monitor the earths temperature. The link below shows that the temperature has been in a slight decline for twenty years. The only wobbles in the chart were due to natural causes not anything to do with humans.
So why, does obama and the liberals keep beating the drum for cap and trade?
http://spacescience.spaceref.com/newhome/headlines/essd06oct97_1.htm
Dude - Scientists acknowledge there is a doubt???? WTF are you talking about? There has been no proof to issue any doubt against!!
Now that we know the models were cooked to produce lies, it should be blatently obvious to any person registering one notch and better above the moron scale, that man made global warmng is a myth.
IWonder - why link to a .com that hasn't seen data input in a decade? Do you think that's convincing? It's got the NASA sign, but no .gov. What is this weird source you've given me?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/news/earth_climate/global_warming/
Here. Lots of current science, from actual peer-reviewed journals.
Jhn - you are ignorant because you listen to people who tell you what you want to hear instead of people who know the science and what they are talking about.
Brian - Please read a newspaper, for chrissakes. And maybe you should go back and read the actual text of those emails. They're actually quite irrelevant.
Good job pitting your own intelligence against millions of Ph.D.'s, and thousands who study the field their whole lives. Good tactic. Let me know if you win.
"millions of Ph.D.'s"
Nonsense.
Dude - all those scientists have provided is a theory. There are an equal and just an impressive number of scientists that dispute man made global warming. Maybe you should stop reading liberal biased news and government funded scientific sources.
The whole issue of global climate change is unproved science and it has become a political issue. Notice how the liberal side has latched onto it like stick on glue.
I'm not as gullable as a liberal. I don't think with my emotions. Show me actual proof. What I am seeing are reports where the earth is actually cooling. I know that really makes the "politician" Al Gore uneasy.
www.INFOWARS.COM to get the real coverage of this climate change HOAX.
Everybody to go infowars.com, listen to the radio show stream 24/7
It will blow you away, all corruption exposed by alex jones.
That was obviously not researched. There are a lot, though, and newsvine is not reflective of their opinions.
Jhn - that involved how many scientists? When? Answer those questions and then tell me it's relevant.
Haha, infowars.
Brian - There just isn't that controversy in the field. Yes, there's some, but it's very little. All news and science is biased to liberals in some way, because liberals are all about reality. To find conservative bias, you need spin, punditry, and flat-out fiction.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/26/tech/main5423035.shtml
Do you read news at all? This wasn't hidden away.
P.S. - If you're going to ignore science because it has a "liberal bias," you can be darn sure you're doing it wrong, and not likely to come to an accurate conclusion. Science seeks truth. Without science you just have guesses.
This isn't about Obama, and it's not about you, and it's not about me. It's the living quality of the human race as a species. It's not as abrupt as a nuclear bomb, but it can cause far more pain.
"It took five more years to get the Kyoto Protocol, which ordered emissions cuts by 37 industrialized nations, an accord the U.S. rejected. American resistance through eight years under President George W. Bush then blocked most progress."
A very misleading story. It fails to mention that the Kyoto Protocol was passed under Bill Clinton and Al Gore, and they didn't even bring it up to the Senate for confirmation.
Also, when China says it will, by 2020, reduce gases by 40 to 45 percent below "business as usual", what they don't mention is that their actual emissions will still increase by over 50%, and the same goes for India.
This is a farce thrust upon the public when they all know that nothing will stop the continuing growth in Carbon emissions.
For millions of years, species have had to adapt or die, and nothing has changed.
Heresy???
I realize that this is grounds for ostracism by environmentalists, but perhaps we should slow down and do more research before blindly running off a cliff like lemmings with Cap & Trade.
Scientists have long known that climate trends are influenced by changes in solar activity (the 11 year solar cycle – actually a 22 year complete cycle) as well as certain long term perturbations as the Earth “wobbles” slightly as it spins on its axis.
Analysis of these cycles over long periods of time have caused many scientists to speculate that we should be entering a cooling phase on the Earth, and indeed, we have had a cooling trend over the last 10 years instead of the “doom and gloom” forecasts of environmentalists based on changes in the Carbon Dioxide levels in the atmosphere.
This is where the heresy comes in.
If anyone looks back at the so-called “Little Ice Age” which lasted from the 16th to the mid-19th Centuries, causing tens of millions of deaths from crop failures and disease, they would realize that “global cooling” has the potential of being thousands of times more devastating than slow climate warming.
The question needs to be asked;
What if the increase in Carbon Dioxide levels in the atmosphere is actually PREVENTING a global catastrophe by keeping temperatures from dropping precipitously, resulting in worldwide famine and disease from malnutrition that might kill billions of people?
Also, consider some of the potential BENEFITS of global warming;
1 – Warmer winters are healthier – Diseases caused by cold winters kill hundreds of thousands.
2 – Warmer winters are safer – Far fewer accidental deaths.
3 – Warmer winters may open up the Northwest Passage, creating a boon to shipping.
4 – Warmer winters & longer growing seasons will lead to a significant increase in food production.
Food for thought (literally).
Additionally, even if we finally agree that “Global Warming” is a bad thing, we should consider the least expensive ways of addressing the issue. For example, the authors of “Freakonomics” have proposed “Geo-engineering”solutions that have an immediate impact at a fraction of 1% of the cost of many of the alternatives being proposed, and which could be easily reversed if we wish. The link is below;
http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/the-superfreakonomics-global-warming-fact-quiz/
Another inexpensive potential solution is “Iron Seeding” some of our oceans, wherein finely ground iron particles are distributed in parts of the oceans that are deficient in iron. The result is massive plankton blooms which absorb huge amounts of Carbon Dioxide and gradually sink to the ocean floor, effectively sequestering Carbon for thousands, if not millions of years. An added benefit of this option is a dramatic increase in plankton which serves as the first step in the food chain that would dramatically restore our depleted fisheries. The link is below;
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070608142214.htm
Unfortunately, the scientists that have built their careers from the $3 Billion per year in grants to study “Global Warming” will obviously oppose any “simple” solutions. Also, politicians like Al Gore, who has made over $100 Million from promoting his “green” companies, will oppose any alternative solutions for purely financial reasons.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps the world hasn't noticed but the UNITED STATES is no longer a RICH COUNTRY.
We are esentially BROKE! No more money. We're into debt up to our necks. We have no jobs to offer our own citizens. Citizens are being thrown out of their homes. Our savings and retirements have been raped and pillaged by the banks. Our parents are using soup kitchens to survive. Middle age children with their families are moving back in with their parents because of their financial collapse. Retired parents are going back to work to survive. The parents who can no longer work are moving in with their children.
I THINK IT'S TIME FOR THE OTHER RICH COUNTRIES TO GIVE US SOME OF THAT MONEY THAT WE'VE BEEN DOLLING OUT FOR OVER 2 CENTURIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mmm, copy pasta.
Dude - the only universe the liberals live in are lies. Open your eyes. Look around at what's happening to our country now that it's in the hands of liberals. I could list hundreds of lies spoken by our very liberal president, speaker of the house and leader of the senate. Hundreds! The list is long and distinguished. I take it you appreciate being lied to by your kindred spirits. It's either that or you are living in a state of total denial.
The global warming e-mails have been glossed over by the liberal media. It's not so much the e-mails that was telling but the source code of the man made global warming computer model. The code was loaded with intentional errors.
Tell me this - if the discovery of the e-mails and the source code wasn't anything of significance, why did Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer and several other high level democrats call for the prosecution of those that discovered the cooked program? I'll tell you - it's because it blows a hole right through the heart of the man made global warming hoax. Also it proves that it's not a scientific issue at all, but a political issue. An entire tax raising agenda is dependent on the hoax and the democrats don't want that tax increase taken away from them.
Jhn, you keep tossing out these red herrings. Why don't you respond to the substance?
But - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/04/AR2007050401214.html
Keep in mind, too, that the cost of doing nothing will be far greater than the cost of avoiding all that damage.
Brian - if ever this is a political issue over scientific, it's because people ignore the science in favor of their own prejudice. The emails show next to nothing. You are using your own interpretation of politician's actions to disparage the statistical data of thousands of scientists who have spent years collecting it. Do you feel ok doing that?
You have got to understand...this was another manipulated "crisis", you know like the bailouts for the banks because they were going under and this was a crisis, or the stimulus because the automobile industry would go under and have to file bankruptcy...and after taking 1.3 billion dollars, GM turned around and filed bankruptcy. The liberals and Obama are "CREATING CRISIS" so they can tax our pants off with their Cap and Trade...you know the health care crisis, so they can take over the health care industry. This is another liberal created crisis on global warming. I want to thank the person who hacked into the computer and gave the information to the public? This is a HOAX...they are creating the crisis to use to scare the public into remission...it is all about power and money and taking over America. WAKE UP PEOPLE....THE GOVERNMENT AND OBAMA ARE LYING TO US, AND THE LIBERAL NEWS MEDIAS ARE HELPING THEM BY KEEPING THE REAL INFORMATION QUIET. VOTE THE LIBERALS OUT IN 2010 AND OBAMA OUT IN 2012, AND QUIT WATCHING NBC,CBS, AND ABC, CNN AND MSNBC. IF YOU WANT AT LEAST TO GET SOME NEWS, WATCH FOX NEWS...AT LEAST THEY REPORT THE NEWS...WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT OR NOT, YOU GET THE CHOICE TO CHECK INTO IT.
Dude
An accounting of the IPCC shows that there are only 600 accredited Scientists participating in the process not 2500. Not only that but by reading each of the 600 Scientists individual opinions at the end of the report 60% do not support the catastrophic conclusions of the IPCC 2007 report. Prof Phil Jones of the University of East Anglia, is an important writer of the IPCC reports, and is currently on academic suspension pending investigation of possible public trust violations in his hacked and released email.
Should the allegations prove true, and I am suspicious they will prove true, because satellite data from europe, US, and meterological data seem to show cooling in the last 8 - 11 years depending upon the source. The only sources showing warming are NASA ground data, NOAA ground data, and the tree rings. NASA and NOAA have been shown to not to maintain the ground stations and instead rely on their own understanding of variations to get a corrected data set.
I think we should wait for these allegations to be disproven before gutting our economy.
I guess the 30,000 plus scientists who say that there is no global warming are wrong...NOT
Boy I wish they would work on this climate, I'm in Chicago and it's cold- someone send me a little Global warming.
Dude . . . the IPCC scientists linked to Jones and Mann (about 2 dozen) . . . were a closed loop . . . they had anyone who disagreed with them eliminated from the club, they peer reviewed each other's stuff and adjusted the data. Mann's Hockey Stick graph was a total fraud. They talk in the emails about adjusting computer models. They talk about not being able to find the "Warm" . . . so they just made it up!!
Jones received about 12 million dollars in the last few years . . . these so-called scientists adjusted the data to fit their belief system, Anthropogenic Gorebull Warming is as dead as Stalin.
One UN hack that was involved in setting up the IPCC was M Strong . . . back in the day he stated . . . “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” – Maurice Strong, 1992
DB - You are correct. Isn't it funny... it took Obama months to decide on action in Afghanistan, but he doing everything he can to push legislation that actually harms this country financially. It's almost like he's playing with monopoly money. First Cap and Trade, Healthcare reform legislation and now he wants to force our country to contribute billions to climate change that hasn't been proven yet.
I feel like we are living in a Looney Tunes cartoon!
It matters not whether global warming is or is not a fact. These people will proceed with their plan which is to have the rich countries ante up big bucks to give the poor countries - in other words, redistribution of wealth - on a world-wide basis. "Global warming" is simply the excuse they are using to accomplish their socialist goal.
Binski....
I'm on your side of the issue, but not for the reasons you might think. I don't usually agree with fools, but I'll make an exception with you.
There is no doubt that we have poisoned the planet. You'd have to really stupid not to see that... but Global Warming is only a symptom of the disease.
We have too many people in the world - about 5 1/2 billion too many - and the fault for that lies squarely with the 3rd World. Ignorant half-humans with their corrupt societies, goofy ideas, odd-ball religions (the Vatican is also against birth control, but at least they understand that Catholics don't care what the they have to say on that issue), poor diets and non-educations...
THEY are to blame for the distressed state of our World - and now they have the audacity to come begging, as usual, for money from the civilized countries to pay for their own environmental depredations.
RV
the game is up on global warming. It may not be in its grave yet, but it is on it's death bed. The lies have caught up on the proponents. There never was the science to back it up. As many have been saying for many years, this was never about the environment or the science, but the politics. After the Soviet Union collapsed, the socialists moved into the environmental movement, so many of us saw this coming 30 years ago. This was always about socialism destroying capitalism and the free market system.
Hmmmmmmmmmm !!!!!!!!
More Clowns--getting together with Other Clowns !!
From the Article: China says it will, by 2020, reduce gases by 40 to 45 percent below "business as usual," that is, judged against 2005 figures for energy used versus economic output. India offers a 20 to 25 percent slowdown in emissions growth.
If you spend a minute or two and read this over, you will see that they are not committing one iota to emissions reductions, but to SLOWING down the growth of emissions. It is their PARTICULATES, that are affecting the climate, not CO2. It is their PARTICULATES that are going into the upper atmosphere and reflecting the sun's rays/heat back into space and will cause an increase in Global cooling not Global warming.
At least we can be glad that this Conference will end in only discussing promises to do something and not actually signing another stupid piece of paper about Manmade Global Warming from CO2.
While some of the e-mail messages among prominent American and British climatologists are mean-spirited and others intemperate, they don’t change the underlying scientific facts about climate change.
The underlying scientific fact is that human activity — the burning of fossil fuels, torching of forests, and so forth — is contributing to a warmer and less hospitable planet.
Personaly, I think anyone concerned about this issue should find out how their "representatives" voted and than Vote them out. Just my opinion.
Love that first paragraph. You can't tell me this AP writer doesn't have his head up this administration's ass.
Liar in chief? More like ass ho.e in chief.
Scientific facts according to who Doug?
I keep hearing about "man made climate change", "global warming", etc. etc. but I have yet to see one piece of REAL proof. They say the oceans are rising, but I have yet to see a single article that says exactly how much, where the measurements were taken, when they were taken, etc. etc.
I also have yet to hear a logical explanation of how we could go from the scientific community's "expert opinions" that we were going into "global cooling" 30 years ago, but now all of a sudden we're going into "global warming". I remember the theories going around that those of us living in the northern parts of the world were going to be in serious trouble and that temperatures were going to drop, that we were possibly looking at the next Ice Age, etc. etc.
And now, once again, we are expected to just "believe" the scientific talking heads, even though there is more than enough circumstantial evidence to be asking some serious questions about it. There is also more than enough evidence out there to show that some people are not above lying, falsifying evidence, etc. to "prove" that it is real, just to move forward their own agendas.
Sorry, but I will remain skeptical until I see something that even remotely resembles real scientific proof. So far, I haven't seen any.
Roy Wilson, you sound like you did your homework. Bravo. You have your finger on the pulse of what's going on in the USA and the rest of the world.
Too bad the bozos running this country (into the ground, that is) don't get it. You have more facts than Al Gore, who still thinks the core of the earth is 2 million degrees! What a putz. We'd be vaporized instantly at such a temperature. The damn sun doesn't even come that close. Guess he forgot also that the polar bear population is increasing, not decreasing. Why else would Gore postpone his trip? Because the Irish dude would challenge him on the 8 flaws in his false documentary "A Convenient Lie". With Gore's ignorance and Obama not knowing there are 50 not 58 states in the union, we have a core of rotten apples in Denmark.
It is sad that a natural phenomenon - the warming of the earth in its usual cyclic fashion has lead to a group of politicians that want to use this as a way to 1) force wealthier nations to pay poorer nations money and 2) create a "world government" that would bind these nations in a permanent cycle of such payment (which is exactly what they want to accomplish in Copenhagen with Obama at the helm).
There is no doubt that the burning of rain forests does add a tremendous amount of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere while at the same time robbing us of the very plants that act as CO2 "scrubbers'. So much more so than the industrialized nations that these countries should be paying us if that's the way they want to play it. Is human activity contributing to the speed at which the earth is warming? Probably. Significantly so? Probably not. The primary reason we should be concerned about "emissions" is due to the toxic substances aside from carbon dioxide that the emissions carry. Do we want cleaner air? Sure, who wouldn't? Considering most everywhere is banning smoking because people do not want to breathe toxic fumes you would think that the same majority would be pressing for more control over industrial toxins in the atmosphere and in our water. Instead they are fixated on CO2 and climate change, which is happening and is going to happen and we cant do a darn thing to change it. Drive all the minis you want and tax corporations into oblivion - the earth is still going to warm and then cool just as it has for millennia.
These talks in Denmark are about so much more than global warming - its scary. I am going to have to pay for health care for illegal aliens, I am going to have to pay increased taxes to cover the stimulus package that stimulated nothing, I may or may not keep my job as more and more companies fail under the burdens of big government, and now I am asked to pay for poor countries because the far left, which includes our President, has decided that we are a bad country who should not be allowed to be successful. wow.
Dude = Dud.
The IPCC global warming alarmists did NOT apply the scientific method and now we see that they cooked data and then "conveniently" lost the data when it should have been made public. That is part of the scientific method - you must make your data available to third parties to see if your analyses and results can be duplicated.
What we have are "Inconvenient Lies" from the Chicken Little psuedo-scientists that were trying to make money by fear-mongering.
Here's an idea that would make everyone happy. Want to save the planet with clean energy? Want to tell foreign countries to kiss your butt because we don't need oil anymore? How about we start a new Manhattan Project? We have some of the best minds in the world in this country. We can do anything. We can come up with a new energy form that would revolutionize the world.
It seems to me that instead of government spending on "green jobs" we should be doing this instead. Our money could stay in this country, thereby creating jobs. The nutjobs in the middle-east would be broke because we could sell that technology to the rest of the world and no one would need them anymore. Maybe then they could get a little more civilized and get some good leadership.
If we could come up with a new, clean energy source, not only would the left be happy with the Earth being saved, the right would be happy because we wouldn't be dependent on foreign oil. In fact, just to make sure it got through Congress, I would suggest starting to drill for oil and natural gas within our own country until such time as the project was finished and we had a new energy.
Just a thought...
Doug - let me help you.
There is no scientist that will say man's contribution doesn't add to warming. The dispute is over how much. To understand step back and follow the money.
There are those that say it is Man's contribution will cause catastrophic warming. This research is backed by industry and politicians that stand to gain huge sums of money and political power if they can legislate to stop the catastrophe.
There are also those that say Man's contribution is insignificant. These are backed by industry that will profit if there is no change.
The truth is somewhere in between which is not catastrophic.
If the EU is pissed I'm happy to say we must be on the right track. The socialist morons of the EU are about to put every European automaker besides the transportation only ones out of business. That means no Porsche, Mercedes or BMW's in the future not to mention Ferrari, Lamborghini, Rolls Royce and Bentley. I personally think they've lost their f**king minds but many of AlGore's minions seem to think we should give up the freedom of personal mobility to "save the planet" based on what are very likely manipulated figures. I'm hoping the day soon comes when Germany tells the EU to piss off, as we should. The U.S. becoming a third world country is in no one's best interest. The U.S. was reducing emissions long before any other countries and if it weren't for the CO2 hysteria we'd still be the leader in emission reduction. We need to get over the fact that other countries simply don't like us (they hate us because they ain't us) and do what's in our own best interest. Reducing emissions is fine but the CO2 scam needs to be examined before we flush our economic future and freedom down the toilet.
It's currently 28 degrees,18 degrees below our normal low for this time of year. Before the night is out we may very well be within 3 or 4 degrees of the record of 20 degrees. I'm having a hard time buying the whole global warming deal when I had to dodge black ice on the way home. I know there's a difference between climate and weather but still 20 degrees the first week of December may foretell a long cold winter. We have plenty of winters where 20 degrees would be the coldest night of the year and that would be in January or February. To have it this cold now means we could go for zero before all is said and done this year (which is as cold as it ever gets here). I'd say the climate here is just fine, way colder than I like for sure!!
MSNBC hasn't got the backbone to report the TRUTH, about all the false information, hidden results, and outright LIES, we've heard for the last ten years about Global Warming. Report the TRUTH MSNBC, that might be a change, but we know Al Gore, and the Obama administration wouldn't allow you to do that.
Let's see here we will probably have to borrow the money from China to pay for the fuel for Obama to go to Copenhagen. So we really can't afford to give anyone any of our money to pay welfare for other countries climate fiasco's. But this guy doesn't care about any of that.
Roy Wilson-336103 #1.15,
I was listening to news and they were interviewing people from less industrialized countries. I heard complaints about too much or too little water. I heard people from the "western world" who were seeing places like South Asia for the first time, talking like this was the first time those people had experienced flooding __— ergo, this must be caused by Global Warming. It's been going on for as long as I've been around, and I bet you it was going on long before that.
I'm afraid our "greenies" have been preaching to people in these places that it isn't their fault for choosing to live in these "high risk" locations, but that it is all the fault of the more advanced countries. I'm sure that Karl Marx & Joseph Stalin would be happy to see how much communism has spread.
One question concerning the GW "scientists": when were the laws of conservation of energy & matter repealed?
promises are made to be broken..it's just a big party in Copenhagen, a time for VIPs to get away and waste taxpayers money..they know the Sun is getting larger, thus global warming..then try to make it look as though it's human ignorance..so we get 3 or 4 major Volcanoes that do more damage than Centuries of human existence..these guys, where are they from ??..perhaps, some strange planet of Discord, which their good at causing..have you heard of the latest scientific proposal ??..Colonization of Mars !!..good luck eggbert, knock yourself OUT !!...
GLOBAL WARMING is a HOAX, A FARCE, simply a way for Obama to tax the hell out of you, period.
Every iniative this Socialist puts forth is an attempt to punish the successful, reward failure (or the lazy), and redistribute wealth, period
Hold on to your wallets folks, we've got 3 more years of this loser.
Stop-The-Statists #2,
Change enough of Congress in 2010 and you can reduce that to 1 year left !
Yes, yes, he's out to get you. Better arm yourself in case the president attacks you in the street.
/yawn.
Jhn, are you wealthy? I very much doubt it. Have your taxes increased? Again, I very much doubt it. You just like to sing that same old song.
The next thing you will know is that the gov is putting another tax of your cup of tea my friend in MA.
Then what?
They think this is a game playing with lives, dont they?
Hey Dude, go back to sleep. This a- hole already has set us up for bankruptcy. Go ahead, keep rooting for the clown. The only thing is no one is laughing any more. If these dopes go along with this hoax, Dude, you had better be rich, or else you'll be starving like the rest of the world who has to foot the bill. Stop drinking the Kool aide. haven't you heard, it kills brain cells.
Hey Dude, his wife could kick his ass. He's no threat on the street. The fool can't even reach the plate with a baseball!
Oh My God!
I walked away from the issue for a few days, figuring it can't possibly be hushed up still.
Actually, come to think of it, I am not suprised. I expect them to spew their propaganda, Pravda style ('pravda', ironically, means 'Truth' in english, with a caps 'T'). They are even thinking of a bailout for the state media appratus. At least then it will be official. It will actually for for a while until, like in 1980 Soviet Union, when you could not get people to actually pay for your lies, they forced evey citizen to get a subscription, paid for and taken automatically out of their pay.
I can't do anything but laugh.
Who the heck wrote this article?? They should be fired as almost all of the "facts" are totally false.
I thought the same thing. It reads like an op-ed from Greenpeace.
Greg, so should the administration who is behind it.
Climate justice is human unity in the face of destiny of the richer and the poor on the ground
One word: WHAT???
SEEAM60 sounds just like Van Jones.
Don't be surprised -- the mainstream news media and democrats are not going to acknowledge that anything ever happened. Not much you can do about our gov't. for a year and a half, but you sure can boycott ABC, NBC, etc. and or write their sponsors.
Yeah, like you watch anything other than fox anyways.
::eyeroll::
bush told you 19 arabs with box cutters who lived in caves hijacked 4 airplanes on 911 also didnt he?
5 of the hijackers then turn up to be alive?
the gov tells the big lie to you everyday, and what is sad about it is that you believe these criminals
scobman, ...WHAT??? This is news! Did Obama wire you himself? 5 hijackers alive? Duh, they all suicided!
Please try and pull your head out instead of attempting to lure us into inserting ours. So did multiple heart attack victim Dick Cheney murder the passengers of the four jetliners? And the Mosad and CIA convinced 19 men from Saudi Arabia and Egypt to carry out a mission for Israel and the U.S.? Please!! If anything is a big lie it's the 9/11 was carried out by the U.S. BULL$H*T!! Sadly there's a sucker born every minute and if you believe in all the 9/11 conspiracy theories pucker up!!
This is playing out like most liberal ideas---there will be no real tangible benefit. In fact, those they are trying to help, are often more hurt. (welfare, affirmative action, Public education, Fannie Mae, etc etc etc etc).
Liberalism is truly a defect in logical thinking. It is emotional, but irrational. It is good to have some balance in thought, but an oligarchy of liberals-such as we have now with the Democrats controlling the Congress and White House- is self destructive.
It is truly baffling. I have friends that are liberals, but at the very core it is because their parents were liberal. They really don't run their household like they want the government to run our country. They are center-right at home, but "Chicken Littles" and "Debbie Downers" politically. Weird.
I read articles on MSNBC now to keep up with all the lies and hypocrisy being circulated by special interest propagandists. They don't even acknowledge that there is a problem with said facts on the GW or climate change theory. There is no credibility with this news source.
Why is the news not screaming foul about Climategate!!!!!! This is ridiculous, It is the crime of the century! Climategate should be the number one topic at Copenhagen and there needs to be a criminal investigation!!
Call your congressmen and Senator and demand an investigation
http://www.infowars.com/rep-miller-calls-for-climategate-investigation/
Hahaha, you are ridiculous. It's been investigated for decades, and the conclusion is quite obvious. Even Bush, Rove, and Cheney, all agreed that Global Warming existed and was manmade.
Dude, there's no other way to say this: get offline and double the meds! They aren't working anymore... You blasted people earlier about not giving facts to support their views, but that's all you've done since you got on here. Put down the Kool-Aid and walk away. Better yet, go eat some grass! *sheep sounds*
I can't be sure whether Dud is lying or ignorant. Probably both.
Climate change has existed for millenia and we know that there are places on earth that have been desert and glacier at different times. Now THAT is climate change, and man had absolutely NOTHING to do with it. We can't control climate or even short-term weather now (and really never will).
Judging by the number of comments left ( 9 so far), Im sure MSNBC most be hopeful that their following must be growling larger. WOW! GD, are you serious? You really posted this story? What a bunch of lies, Vote these idiots out!
Hysterical fiction....no mention of Climategate. A couple of swipes at Bush. Perfect liberal factoid piece. How does a purported news outlet get away with this tripe? Gee...it was fun to note that IF CO2 does climb to the astronomical levels it is predicted to, then it will be the highest in 2 million years.....uh you mean it's been that high before, without man? All the countries in Copenhagen want is to cut the big boys down to size. Misery must be spread among all. How about a conference on national reproductive responsibility?
Any leader of a nation who signs a treaty or makes a promise or gives any money away to this fraud should be impeached or removed from office immediately. To make a decision based on fraudulent information is stupid.
Like the fraudulent information used to craft the Porkulus bill---that has worked well also, and was carefully thought out and has been a great way to spend our $.
This treaty will die and ignoble death, as it should. We have been fed a plate full of scientific b.s. by those whose agenda has nothing to do with climate change, and everything to do with culture/economic change.
Obama is gunna sign it anyways, cuz what are americans gunna do anyways?
They will just arrest you if you dont like it, usa isnt the land of the free, its land of the sheep that elected obama just to watch his talk be all lies.
McCain didnt win cuz he didnt lie as much as obama,
obama looked america in the eye and lied to us on purpose
Don't believe this nonsense. They fully intend to sign a legally binding climate treaty in Copenhagen and begin taxing the world for their CO2 emissions despite the fact that CO2 levels are not causing global warming.
Exactly...CO2 is the byproduct of warming, not the cause. But the narrow minded progressives ignore this, because it doenst fit with their idol worship mentality. Obedient little sheep. Unfortunately for those of us they wish to tax and manipulate, they are motivated and politically conniving.
plants, trees, grass all need co2 to live so they can give off oxygen so we can breath.
Here we go again with more "climate change " Scientology .Your jig is up morons. It's all a political power and money grab.
MSM. mere socialist mouthpeice. Not a news agency.
I her its cold in " friutenhagen "
There is no agreement amongst the scientists about global warming - any research shows that the earth has warmed and cooled periodically. Mr Gore has promoted this to improve his financial status - and he has not paid the fines assessed years ago for violations vs the environment on many of his properties - but remember - he 'invented' the internet -and was a sore loser when he lost the election for president ! Anything he endorsed I would question! as have many in the scientific community world wide!
When I was in school, we were taught that science did not depend on consensus or agreement. The facts stood on their own. The whole scientific method is designed to distill things down to irifutable, duplicatable research. The fact that they destroyed their data shows that they knew that the Global Warming scam could never stand up to real scientific scrutiny.
And even when they "cooked" the numbers, it still couldn't stand up on its own. Even the bogus data tells us that we are looking at a 1-2 degree increase over a 50 year period. What the hell! Is there really anybody here who honestly thinks 1-2 degrees will have a catastrophic impact on life? Yeah, it's called a benefit. No educated person could take this scam seriously. Liberal-progressive retards are such a waste of skin.
Where are all these billions of dollars that we would have to pay other countries going to come from?
Have to be added to the deficit because today's taxpayers can't afford it. Nor can tommorrow's, or the day after, or the day after that.....
Those billions will be the last remaining money the US has borrowed lately. I guess BO will have to borrow more money from China so he can give it to more 3rd world countries. This is his method to make us a 3rd world country .
"Agreeing on how much rich countries should pay for poor countries" I hope President Obama is fully aware we fall into the latter category. We are broke. What is the matter with the GE owned MSNBC that they can just ignore the facts that are coming out about Global Warming? My friends go to Fox news of late and then come to MSNBC to see if they are going to even cover a story. This is really sad.
Both parties are the problem. There is no real difference between the two. Most of our politicians are owned by corporations, and we have a government for the corporations, by the corporations. The international corporations and banksters are not loyal to any one country. It is all about money and power to these internationalists, and they cannot complete their vision without destroying the United States of America. The Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and our nation's Sovereignty have been undermined and chipped away at for a century. Obama is just the capstone agent set up to finish us off.
Some recent links on the fraud
http://www.nrc.nl/international/background/article2398372.ece
Climatologists baffled by global warming time-out
Published: 24 November 2009 15:13 | Changed: 4 December 2009 22:28
Global warming appears to have stalled. Climatologists are puzzled as to why average global temperatures have stopped rising over the last 10 years. Some attribute the trend to a lack of sunspots, while others explain it through ocean currents.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/dec/03/researcher-says-nasa-hiding-climate-data/
NASA and CRU data are considered the backbone of much of the science that suggests the earth is warming due to manmade greenhouse gas emissions. NASA argues its data suggests this decade has been the warmest on record.
On the other hand, data from the University of Alabama-Huntsville suggests temperatures have been relatively flat for most of this decade.
http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article851820.ece
The Speaker of the Danish Parliament has issued a damning criticism of the climate debate, saying politicians gullibly turn theories into facts.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/12/al-gore-oscar-global-warming.html
Take back Al Gore's Oscar, 2 Academy members demand in light of Climategate
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9CBVM701&show_article=1
UK University to probe integrity of climate data
And we all know how well Obama keeps his promises.
Since Milli Vanilli had to give their awards back because their work turned out to be bogus, shouldn't Al Gore also have to return the awards he received for projects based on even bigger lies?
It amazes me that the main stream media is so obviously avoiding the real story here, THE EMAILS showing how big a scam this is. It is nothing less than an attempt to shackdown hardworking people to give to people that want to get their money the easy way, via liberal politically correct legislation, never mind that the facy=ts contradict their claims.
That article has got to be the most subjective piece of crap I have ever seen written about the hoax called Anthropogenic Global Warming. From the first sentence to the last it was nothing but unsubstaniated nonsense and is typical of the hype behind the junk science and fraud of the IPCC. The media has not only surrendered it's objectivity, it has embraced the cause of the One World Government nut cases that want to turn the human race into the societal equivalent of a Meerkat Colony.
Journalism has become nothing more than a bunch of hacks that resemble aging hookers walking around with a bag full of quarters!
Looks like 99.9% of the people posting here arent buying the scam of climate change.
The real purpose behind it is to form a 1 world government body.
www.infowars.com
History shows that the US tax payer pays out billions to UN countries and for those who hate us and come back to kill us. F those putos!
There were several purposes for the UN
1) Try to prevent wars - by having the nations meet and discuss problems before weapons are used.
2) Be a face other that the Super Powers to funnel aid in developing the underdeveloped countries thus aid in diffusing puppets to the richer more powerful countries.
What's happend is that the UN is fast becoming "the" superpower over all.