So you thank the same god whose name is printed on the dollar bill? Think again about freedom in the nation that has by far the largest amount of people in prison per capita on the face of the planet. Compared to how many times cops have beaten me, took my property lied and jailed me I would rather have been cained or lashed. Why do you live in a place where cops shoot the wrong person 50 times and get leave with pay? Maybe all the fundementalist mammon worshiping chicken hawk war profiteering spawn in this country should move?
They do move, but then they live the same as before, just look at how the Muslims live in the Netherlands, Great Briton, France, Italy and Germany and other places. They don't want to change, I don't know what it is, is it plain stupidity, ignorance or both?
Actually, I'll have you know (It's not your fault though, since in the news, it is said the complete opposite) that the troubles in France recieve only very little influence from religions, such as Islam, and is MUCH more, if not solely an issue of ethnicity, class, and recognition of work from immigrants. I would know very well, I was there during the main events that made news around the globe. The issue being that the society and the governement gave very little notice and treated basically like @!$%# the first generation immigrants from ex-colonies such as Algeria, and thus, those fairly calm and reasonable people were replaced after one or two generations by youngs angry about their place in society and the little recognition they have in the eyes of the governement.
At first, that part of society did not exist in the eyes of the public, they were fairly oppressed, had very little pay or job opportunity, and it would have continued on if not for the - I must admit way too violent but - necessary "rebelion" of that class, which finally gains recognition, and for which people are finally fighting for.
They should have had the $h*t beaten out of them for rioting just like rioters here should have their teeth kicked in. There is never justification for destroying other's property as part of a protest. Our nation and many other free ones are all about the right to peacefully protest. Once you go beyond that right then it should be "game on" and stand by for a beat down.
When are people ever going to figure out Christianity and stop quoting verses from the bible that are not related?
A post earlier quoting Exodus 22:18 about not suffering a witch to live. First, the old testament was devised to relay how Jesus was to be presented to the world. Yes it has many other facts with the being the most important.
Jesus said he didn't come to remove the laws the were implemented by Moses but he did come to bring a different method of salvation. One of peace and love. Of forgiveness and compassion.
The term in itself "Christianity" is derived from "Christ" in the name of Jesus Christ. SO if you want to quote or talk about REAL Christianity, get your quotes out of the New Testament. Read it (in prayer) and see how the new differs from the old. The laws of the old testament are still maintained but not all of them.
The other aspect in understanding the bible and it's laws is to know, who, what, where and when certain laws were invoked and to which people they were invoked upon. Yes, this comes with much studying. No, I'm not a scholar and have to do follow my own advice in order to understand the true meaning.
I agree that interpretation of Scripture is key. Many current "interpretations" take Scripture out of context and in doing so, create "contradictions". If the cultural context is preserved, contradictions do not exist.
An example of taking Scripture out of context is your own citation of Exodus 22:18. The witches are condemned to a "spiritual death" as "to put to death" refers to being "cut off". Violence is not part of the ramifications for any type of spiritism. The articles you cited are examples of people who are ignorant of the cultural context.
I was thinkin about god givin' mary the infinite wang and knockin' 'er up and stuff. Like common now all that omnipotent all powerful stuff had to turn to sperm and DNA somewhere along the way. Imagine, squeekie squeekie squeekie wam bam thank you mam wha la JESUS.
And if you read the Quran you will find out that Abraham, Moses as well as Jesus are written into it to the point where it is for the most part it is a Bible commentary. We all have but one Earth to live on we are all multi-cellular biological beings all our individuals cells get along to keep us alive maybe just maybe we can take a lesson from this and get along with one another. Agree to disagree about this stuff and take care of Each other and our planet before we go extinct.
move? I think you have virtually no understanding for what it is to be born into such a society. There are people who are miserable all their lives in whatever area they are born into in the US never moving out of fear of new experiences, the unknown. In the Sudan the muslims have been committing genocide against black christians for years. There is a state of constant civil war there. I'm not saying it's impossible to get out of there but try to understand that someone born into an insanely brutal abusive culture is going to have a hard time finding their way.
One must also realize that Allah is not the original name of the Muslim/Islamic deity. This can be verified by anyone with minimal time, so don't just take my word for it. Check it out for yourself. Allah's original name Started with and 'S', ended with an 'N' and had an 'I' in the middle. Oh, BTW, it only had three letters. That's right! Allah's original name was SIN, the illumination of the night. (The Moon god.) This goes all the way back to the time of Nimrod, Baal, Semiramis, and the temple harlots. [Sounds like the name of a sixties psychedelic band. Groovy!]
Religion. Giving people hope in a world torn apart by religion...
While I am a Christian I don't believe in using the bible as a basis for law. I believe in seperation of church and state. That's a huge difference in most Christians and the Radical Muslims. We believe in setting a good example and hoping others want to follow that and they believe in imposing their sick interpretation of their faith on others. I'd love 5 minutes with the loser who's supposed to be administering the lashes. They'd need to pull a reserve off the bench when I was done, and one after that if I got a chance to tangle with him!!!
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Praise Allah. Praise Moabama.....................
Don't just throw catchphrases and leave. This is Newsvine. You have to at least be on-topic. You're suspended for a day for violating #4 and #5 of the Code of Honor.
SharonM - I doubt it is that easy for them to just pack up and move. These are some of the poorest regions in the world. I sympathize with the people there. Another reason for me to be thankful that I live where I do. When I read posts on this site by people that slam the presidency, I think about how they would fare in another country speaking ill of their leaders, they would be killed! So to the Obama bashers, I say, feel free to leave the country and move to another one where they will gladly cut your tongue out and beat your daughter half to death because she work a knee length skirt! We have it good, so act like you know!
Ken, if you've really been beaten, stolen from and wrongfully imprisoned repeatedly by the local police, perhaps YOU should consider moving to a new town where they don't have it in for you!
Ken Driessen, it's been my experience that law-abiding decent folk, don't get shot 50 times by police. They also don't have their property taken, get falsely arrested or any of the other things you describe. I know this does happen, but by and large I'd much rather get on the wrong side of any US police officer than any third world or especially muslim authority. If you really would prefer sharii law, they would simply cut off your hand when you stole something or sold drugs to their children or did things that they basically don't approve of.
Caning would be the least of you worries, unless you happened to wear knee high skirts. Then again, caning would be the least of your worries. {:{]}
I see that the outcry from the oft-cited legions of "moderate" muslims, outraged (or so we are always assured) by such "misrepresentations" of their enlightened religion, is once again conspicuous in its absence.
Do people really think its as easy as just moving? These are not people with money or means to immigrate. Plus, they have to find a country that will accept them as immigrants. Think, people, think.
Antisocialite: Can't disagree with that at all. In fact, I think that the "moderate, peace-loving Muslims" really need to start to stand up and support freedom of all religions, including in the traditionally Muslim countries. A failure to do so leads me, and many others to the only logical conclusion: Islam is not a valid religion. It is just an excuse for thuggery. Sharia law is nothing more than totalitarian dictatorship. Attila the Hun would be proud! As would Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and, apparently, Obama.
Boons: In that regard, at least they are consistent. Although you'd be hard pressed to convince me that they don't enjoy the sight of a naked body as much as the rest of us. There is no doubt that a lot of issues would disappear if people were allowed to be naked or breast feed in public. Then there would be a sense of maturity, and probably a lot less pornography and disrespect for the human body.
The judge and the lawyer need their genitalia ripped from their bodies for being stupid. The were probably looking at her with sex in mind. If Islam is so good why do they punish their own people for nothing?
Drones, smart bombs, cluster bombs, average the cost of killing one of the "enemy" along with 10s and hundreds innocent people in war. Where does the Amerikan god disburse the profits of war to? Chicken hawk war profiteer CEOs of course. Check this out: Iraq Body Count says 93,540-102,071 violent deaths. Lancet medical journal estimated over 600,000 deaths related to the war as of 2006, the Opinion Research Business puts the toll at over a million people. If you want to have a job working for the government controlled by the occupier you need low death toll estimates. If you are from Amerika and like the low estimates think of it this way: 85K people killed at a cost of 691 billion equals 8 million $ spent per person killed. Please check my math.
What the little girl went through is a gift and easy compared to what any Amerikan with even part of a single brain cell thinking with even marginal compassion for humanity has to suffer knowing the Mammon is the "In God We Trust" that is printed on our money. Yes I am upset with Obama too but not because I want him to kill more people like it seems many who comment here do. The hatefulness of the comments of some people here make what happened to the young lady at the hands of fundamentalist Islamic goofs seem like a walk in the park. When you show so much hate to over a billion people who believe in the same Abrahamic god as the people who made the comments believe they are hating themselves by espousing such hate. Part of me feels sorry for them that have to live in such hateful biased souls. One girl is spanked and they call for the genitalia of a billion people. Forgive them for they know not what they do.
The whole islamic ideology needs to be eradicated from the planet. The world today is a thousand years behind, technologically, because of islam. There were technological developments like steam power being developed in the Arabic world between 700A.D. and 800A.D. that were snuffed out because islam wouldn't allow it. We lost a thousand years of knowledge for a backwards religion that wants to keep it's followers subservient and stupid. It's a shame for the Middle Eastern people, because they could have been the technological epicenter of the world, and who knows where we would be as a race today with an additional 1000 years of technology.
An what did the Christians do to Galileo? What does "in god we trust" on our dollar bill do for planet Earth? I'm not sticking up for Islam here. There are no doubt as many sectarian humanists per capita in Arabian countries as their are in the US. The atheists cut down religious people without adding anything more humane. Eradicated sound kind of like genocide, Amerikan bankers and milirary industrial complex mogul Zionists tried that when they backed Hitler. That is why I'm a spiritual evolutionist scientific naturalist, as much as I bitch and soap box here, I love my Homo sapiens species and that includes you.
Religion no matter the name (Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, whatever) is the biggest threat to mans continued existence on this planet. Faith is of god, religion is of man, faith is real, religion (all of them) are a scam. to keep those in power in that position, and mainly to keep women subservient to man
And why do so many of our lefties keep trying to defend the indefensible...like this? Whenever they are not too busy promoting women's rights in America, of course.
What leftie or righty for that matter is defending this? The US can't invade every place that is dominated by a backward religion that abuses children - or we would have to invade Boston.
Please, give me just ONE, ONE example of "Lefties" as you say that defend those kinds of acts. A single one. No? None? Well there we go.
Actually, from what I gathered, it is more the most religious persons that DO in fact try to defend some of those acts, and I have examples to prove it.
Let's take for example the Cartoons depicting the Prophet.
People actually DIED because of those Cartoons, murdered by nutjobs mainly in africa. There were protests, violent protests, everywhere around the globe, there were Death Threats sent to everyone even remotely related to those cartoonists. And what did most religious leaders blame? Such as the Pope, The Archbishop of the Church of England and other such nutjobs? Did they blame the reactions? The people killing? The instigators? No.
In fact they blamed the Cartoonist for "Causing" this reaction in the first place, for commiting "Blasphemy"...
There we go, one example of Religious nutjobs taking their side, zero that I've seen on the left as of yet.
Keep searching, I'd be happy to admit I was wrong, but give me evidence, give me names.
I like how neo-conservatives call progressive people who believe in liberty for all lefties. Left and right are physical geographical directions while neo-capitalist war profiteering conservativism is simply wrong. The Bush Administration gave over 30 million dollars to the Taliban to irradicate poppies before 9/11. It is the conservative fundementalists who call themselves Chiristians while they worship Mammon. Conservatives are advancing the causes of fundementalist Islamic law. Those who call themselves conservatives and republicans would never ever consider that the USA should be held accountable for war crimes against humanity or abide by the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Thursday's hearing included testimony from former Army Vice Chief of Staff Gen. John Keane, Rand Corp. consultant Brian Jenkins and New York City Police Department intelligence analyst Mitchell Silber.
"At a glance, Maj. Hasan's rampage at Fort Hood looks a lot like what used to be called 'going postal,' " Jenkins said. It was "a deepening sense of personal grievance culminating in a homicidal rampage directed against co-workers -- in this case, fellow soldiers.
"For Hasan, 'going jihad' reflects the channeling of obvious personality problems into a deadly fanaticism," he said.
cassandra-1415375 actually right wingers are more like this people than leftists, they are the ones that judge people based on religion, like this Muslim people do, they are the ones that think the earth is only 6000 years old, God should be mentioned at schools and government offices, they are the ones that define marriage based on the Bible, protect the fetus and abuse and kill the already born. They are both conservatives, they try to conserve the status quo and are not willing to change.
It was "lefties" years ago that started bringing news of the Taliban when it first cropped up. It was righties that b*tched and complained about "lefties" like Mavis Leno (Jay's wife) and other women who were trying to bring freedom to females in Afghanistan. They were "big mouthed feminists" for fighting against oppression of females.
Now suddenly you "righties" want to pretend you are pro-female rights? Where were you last week when Glenn Beck told Sarah Palin to get back in the kitchen and cook him a meal instead of trying to run for president?
14th Century Misogeny dressed in religious clothing. I don't know what's worse - the authoritarian nuts who really believe in this kind of "law", or ones who just exploit it for their own perverted needs. (And I was raised Catholic and they've had similar disgusting crap going on for centuries, so it's not just Islam.)
The worst thing to ever happen to man is organized religion. Faith is one thing, because it's an internal, personal manifestation of wishful thinking and a need a for security, but when it organizes in to a movement - absolute power corrupts absolutely.
@mike n.... you said EXACTYLY what is the major problem in the world today. faith is an internal feeling that everyone has in some shape or form and that's awesome. without faith, people would be jumping off bridges, ect.
organized religion no matter what kind has done more harm since the before the bronze age, than any military industrial nation could ever do. i've always held the beleif that no one under the age of 18 should be subjected to organized religion; young minds are molded and stretched to believe anything that comes out of elders mouths; and sometimes, looking at catholic preists here, are victims of horrible abuse....
Well said, Mike. Organized religions is just a tool used to control the masses. People hate nothing more than an atheist, agnostic or a believe that doesn't attend church, because it means they cannot be controlled.
How could this happen in a place governed by a 'peaceful' religion? When will people ever recognize that Islam is ignorant of and brutal to anyone who isn't a follower?
So was Christainity, but it grew out of that for the most part with the influence of Western Enlightenment a few centuries ago. Unfortunately Islam is trapped in history and lagging centuries behind. But lets not forget that the Irish were still slaughtering each other over their postion as Christians until relatively recently. It's all pretty retarded IMO.
So is Christianity, Mike N, it stills is ignorant and brutal, not openly, just subtle. We just have less ignorance than those Muslim people and thanks God we had an Enlightenment.
I shudder to think that within 40 years, the enforcement of islamic law against all faiths will likely be rampant all over Europe and US. Even in England, they're setting up sharia courts. It's just a matter of time before the will of Allah is forced down everyone's throat.
Actually they are ALREADY set up in England, even though they have very vocal opposition from members of the public. Unfortunately, the parliement has proved again AND again that it prefers to avoid "A fuss" with the extremist muslim community (Because I have to point out that a lot of mainstream muslims are as pissed off about all that as everyone else) than to actually do their work toward the equality of all, no matter the religion (They don't just have those kind of courts for muslim, as far as I know, they also have such things for jews on their own accord, and while it may not be as terrible, in principle, it's just as wrong).
Actually, if you're interested, there is a Petition online against the Sharia Courts in England.
This was tried in Canada not long ago as well. The difficulty is because of those same Jewish Orthodox family courts, which already exist here. Since there's one for the Jewish faith, there is technically no basis for denying one to the Muslim faith, otherwise the government can be accused of discrimination against Islam. I would imagine Britain had the same issue. I'm not sure how we managed to strike it down here.
In my opinion, there should be one law of the land that applies to everyone. If a certain religion wants their own laws, then the religion can go ahead and enforce them on their own. But we cannot allow the religious laws to override the country's laws. If it's illegal to beat another person, then it doesn't matter what the religion says. If you're in Canada, then Canada's laws override the religious ones. The only way the beating would be allowed is if the people of Canada agreed it should be, and the Canadian law was changed accordingly.
Thank God we have the 2nd Amendment to protect us against an abusive government forcing Islam (or any religion) on American Citizens. The first step in establishing any totalitariangovernment is to disarm the public. Freedom is something you fight to the death to keep. Countries like Sudan are the result of trying to negotiate with extremists instead of exterminating them. You can keep your head buried in the sand about Islam all you want, but the truth is quite obvious if you just open your eyes and look for it. Wake up America before it's too late.
All religion is designed to keep the masses in check. Invented by man, not God. Worship privatly, quit being sheep and never mix religion with politics.
bdorgle, the problem is with false religions...and more pointedly, with sinful man. The Bible is true and God is real, but sinful men will twist the truth to carry out their evil desires. Only Christ can save us from ourselves.
Yeah the Muslims here are nothing like that. Except there was that one guy a few weeks ago who ran his teenage daughter over with his car because he felt she was becoming too "westernized". And there was that family in Texas who put a hit out on their daughter because she fell in love with an unsuitable boy................
I was stopped for drunk driving by a cop that knew me and hated me. He lied and said I accelorated wildly, swerved completely into the other lane, ignored his warning lights and came to a complete stop parked perfectly parallel along the road all in a 600 foot distance. The pervert reached into my pants pocket and found .36 of a gram of cannabis and said I volutarily handed it to him in the police report. I'm facing over 3 1/2 years in prison $10,000 fine and a felony for life. Flog me or give me the death sentance already. The f-ing nazi drug war and conventional war profiteering chicken hawk pigs in the US have no right to say anything about any law or penalty anywhere on Earth.
Hed: Being a sadistic fundementalist infinitley greedy pig is worse for your health than jail. Your head is a stroke waiting to happen. No matter what the final sentance is I will some day be out of jail, you on the other hand will be stuck inside a hateful sadistic anal retentive shell of a human until you die. Then when you reincarnate you will be twice as spiteful until your mammon soul finally achieves the fall of mankind and the final judgment day of extinction and you will become nothing for ever, the same never ending void that is your mind right this very moment. I feel sorry for you.
Wow somebody that can spell hypocracy and does not understand Freudian projection. If the angel from Montgomery calls me a troll I'm a happy proud troll at that. Go listen to "Sympathy for the Devil" lady: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-ARdG5oseo Then come back and tell me all about your sympathy. Thank you
Absolutely, Ken....when you can't argue facts...argue semantics.
And you can hump my leg all you like......but it won't change the fact that you come across as a bored little boy, home from school, with nothing better to do but spew venom and make cross references to obscure Rolling Stones hits.
So please allow me to introduce myself....I'm a woman who's onto you!
well good luck with that ken but just remember it's better to be in a u.s. jail than to live in most countries.and i do agree with you somewhat i say we should bring back public flogging,make it a pay-per-view event.
Why is it that most people that get busted alot tend to think that they are getting picked on? AND- they are usually liberals just like YOU.
Liberals are the ones who want to appease islamic terrorists, not conservatives.
Has it ever occurred to you that maybe it's your actions that get you in trouble? The liberal way is to blame others just like you do. Sounds like maybe you belong in prison.
Ken, you rhetoric scares the willies out of me. You keep writing the same thing over and over, just rearranging your words to make it seem like a new, thought provoking post. Your coffee shop philosophy is mundane at best. If anal sex is outlawed in the Qu'ran then pray tell me why so many incarcerated male Muslims engage in it? Does being in prison excuse them from the practice and laws of Islam? Just curious.....
"If anal sex is outlawed in the Qu'ran then pray tell me why so many incarcerated male Muslims engage in it? Does being in prison excuse them from the practice and laws of Islam? Just curious....."
We could ask the same thing about anal sex and the Bible...why is it so many incarcerated Christians engage in it??? And yes, why do so many priests and ministers engage in it, too? With children, no less??
I wish Ken could refer to "Catholic leaders" instead of "Christians" when he makes nasty comments~ Protestant Christianity is quite different from Catholicism -
But - isn't this blog about a girl being lashed 50 times because her skirt was short?
'cause a few of you have turned it into an indictment of every religion on the planet and a smear of law enforcement officers and France.....?????????
Mike N, I don't know what your own view are...but you just gave a great example of typical lefty selective indignation, which I call "the wellwhatabouts?" The Islamic courts are carrying out these atrocities, but somehow or other Islam has become the latest client of the left. So if the lefties can't defend this extremism directly, they make absurd comparisons with something else...in this case, Boston.
I don't know what Boston event you refer to, but it was almost certainly an isolated incident, not a concerted campaign of repression, and I doubt very much that it involved a judge ordering someone flogged for wearing a knee-length skirt.
Actually I'm curious, can you give me a link or a short version of the Boston story? I never heard about it (Or if I did, I didn't pay attention enough to remember it).
Cassandra, WTF? I'm about as much a leftie as my right arm. My comment was a black humor reference to all the raped and abused children of the Catholic Church. Boston is known to be heavily Catholic, hence the reference. Ta da.
Nobody is excusing Islam's hatred for women. But by pointing out the fact that when those of you who call yourselves christians bash them, you should also be looking toward the evils in your own religion. You can't excuse your own foibles while complaining about theirs.
To many of us, you are all guilty of this kind of crime in some form or another.
because peace and tolerance is only for other muslims,kinda like the christian church used to be.convert or die,and that's the same 'peace and tolerance"muslims support .which is why many are afraid of islam.i'm not saying any other religion is better,but when you say kill the infidels,or claim that you are a blasphemer because you call god"same god by the way"by another name.or decide that followers of a different faith,or even the same faith must all die.well that is scary.
The simple reason for this happening is because many muslims are too weak in their islamic faith to keep it in their pants and so the fanatics turn around and enact ungodly laws in the hopes of keeping it in their pants. This disgraceful law is sort of like the anti-2nd Amendment laws that we have, we punish everybody all because of a few who cannot control themselves.
Actually no, some terrorist are also Hindus (May I remind the assassination of Ghandi) Buddhists (look up the Sri Lanka) and other such "peaceful religion".
Tim mcvey's acts had nothing to do with religion.Yes he was christian but his terroristic act was not religiously motivated,unlike nearly all islamic suicide bombers.Why do people always want to bring Tim up in defense of Islam?....And William Ayers,Mark?He was a political Terrorist/activist against the vietnam war and the American government in general.........religion had nothing to do with it........Now,instead of digging in the past,Islamic terrorists have killed more people and caused more damage in the last two months than either of those two radical nutjobs ever did.....Except the islamists do it in the name of allah......Are your bells still ringing?........No offense meant,just my opinion,ya'll take care.
Please give me his or her name, and a source (other than Fox News), and, if not, permit me to laugh at your face for quite some time considering your ignorance.
“Washington -- Miss Mogahed, appointed to the President's Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, said the Western view of Sharia was "oversimplified"
Sharia is a religious code which decrees such matters as dressing modestly. It also requires the separation of men and women.
It also includes the "Hadd offences", crimes with specific penalties set by the Koran and the sayings of the prophet Mohammed. These include death by stoning for adultery and homosexuality and the removal of a hand for theft.
Miss Mogahed admitted that many Muslims associated Sharia with "maximum criminal punishments" and "laws that... to many people seem unequal to women," but added: Part of the reason that there is this perception of Sharia is because Sharia is not well understood.
Miss Mogahed is the first veiled Muslim woman to serve in the White House. “
From what I read, that woman was attempting to give an explanation and a defence toward the Sharia law and it's application in some countries, which is her right, even if I very much disagree with her.
But WHERE in the article, can you point to me that she advocated the use of Sharia law in the US. Point me where.
If you can point me to a text (Oh, and please provide a link too, just in case, even though I believe the article you gave is genuine) where that dame did in fact argue that she would like to see the Sharia law in the US, and then I'll stop calling you complete ignorant and call her a moron.
And then point me to a text where Obama AGREES with the assessment that the Sharia law should be applied in the US, and perhaps people will stop looking at you like a Glenn Beck fanatic.
One must do more than read to understand. They must also be able to think. Miss Mogahed did not say Sharia was wrong. She says it is over-simplified – what ever that means. Obama is no better – in fact much worst. He is a con artist who easily fools people with tiny brains – you for example.
I never said that she said the Sharia law was wrong, I said all the contrary in fact, that she was giving a defence OF sharia law, but, here again, no word toward putting it to law in the US.
Now maybe she THINKS it might be a good idea, but stupid people are free to think stupid ideas as far as I'm concerned, and even free to express them. But, here again, as far as I see, there is no saying that she supports it.
Joebuck-473118 - The article you linked is published in the category "Opinion"... And what a very strong opinion it is indeed... But the only "Fact" it reported was that the guy has a very strong and low opinion of the President (Just look at some of the comments he makes) and a quote from, of all things, the New York Post - aka Fox News Paper Version -.
Yes but opinion does not make fact. What I ask is fact. That the writer says that this or that person supports the application of the sharia law in the US, fine, I may believe it if it' from a fairly known, recognized and respected institution, from which we know that we can have real facts.
But, here, first off, a news institution of which I have never heard. Now, in and of itself, that is fine, I had never heard of the Assyrian International News Agency either. BUT, when the writer talks in such horrid terms as these, only quote very shaky sources, and doesn't even quote the persons in themselves, allow me to be very skeptic about the truth of the article.
I once saw an article very critical of the Obama administration on the Newsweek website, which itself is fairly renown. That doesn't mean I took it for truth, and, you know why? Because in the author section, the name Karl Rove was written.
Same thing here, even though the author may not be exactly the same, the source has very little credibility.
It happens to be the religion created by satan as an alternative to Christianity. He hates Christ Jesus you know! So now he has his very own religion to get people to entertain him with all kind of blood sports and retrobutions know to man. Enjoy it's a religion coming to your neighborhood someday, and you will follow their law or death.
What do you expect, Mohamed was a war lord responsible for killing millions, and then he raped little girls and boys for his enjoyment. Then one day after he had a bad dream, he created a new religion, and told his followers that they better believe it, or he will cut of their heads. So all his followers rather keep their heads started to believe his story.
Simple minded enough to be the most powerful coutry the world has ever seen. Keep defending 8th century people, the gap between us is only getting wider. Soon you and the rest of the those who want sharia law and to be able to walk arm-in arm in publc with your 10 year old wives will be forgotten like the lost tribes of the amazon.
just a little more evidence that these people wish to live in the stone age. i bet the judge that passed judgement on this girl never did anything wrong or against the muslim religeon. usially those that pass judgement are worst offenders than those they punish.
Jesus told us to love our neighbors. Mohammed said to cut off their fingers, heads, etc. Mohammed married an 8 year old, (making him a pedophile) Jesus never married. Mohammed led numerous battles, killing many. Jesus said "he who lives by the sword will die by the sword." Muslims commit acts of terrorism on a daily basis. go to the religion of peace dot com, all you Islam apologists, and refute each act documented there.
Iraq's leader says he'd like to see the US under sharia. the article associated with this discussion serves as a warning of what we have to look forward to.
The bastardized Jesus of Amerika says "Kill as many innocent women and children with smart bombs and drones as you can, if you do this in my name I will take everything from you and give it unto the CEOs of the companies who manufacture the weapons". Jesus of Amerika says "let us take one incident of one woman being abused and use it to condem over a billion who share the same belief in the same Abrahamic god as the Zionists do". The Amerikan Jesus says "those who live by Mammon will die by Mammon". Oh and keep paying your health insurance premiums and don't read the small print until you are sick and dying, that is what the Jesus of Amerika told you to do isn't it?
It's America, not Amerika, idiot. If you can't spell it correctly, don't use the word! As for the rest of your hogwash, stick it where the sun doesn't shine, ok? We don't need morons like you and your fellow Islamic terrorists telling us how to live, when you'll torture a teenager for wearing a skirt. I guess it's fine for you neaderthals to kill 3,000 innocent civilians at the World Trade Center, but a drone bombing known terrorists is a travesty? Please! Go sell your joke of a "religion" somewhere else, because rational thinking people know you're just a bunch of cowardly MURDERERS!!
I don't believe in the Abrahamic god of Islam and the Zionists which put "in god we trust" on US Federal Reserve fait money. Your Pet Goat reader, PNAC, Zionists and Silverstein killed the innocent money changers at the WTC and probably a million others around the world to seize the world for NWO. When the people below make a sacrifice for freedom and democracy just maybe Amerika will not longer be spelled with a 'k'. How much money do war profiteers have to make until the blind conservatives will see? I'm sure by the sound of what you say that you believe in the same god as the Muslims. Here are some chicken hawk war profiteers cowards for you now that you mention coward:
Here is where the war booty gained on the backs of our soldiers goes: Vance Coffman of Lockheed martin made 150 million, John Walsh of GE made 122million, L.B. Raymond of Exxon made 114 million, Michel Dell made 500 million, Davis Cote of TRW made 44 million, George David of United Technologies made 280 million, DHB David Brooks made 250 million in one year including wages, bonuses, benefits and stock options…What did these people do to defend our country? Did they risk their lives. No they bought our government.
Here is where your health care dollar goes: William McGuire, of UnitedHealth Group: $124.8 million in one year..CEO Ray Gilmartin of Merck: total 2004 compensation was $37.8 million, Ron Williams - Aetna:Total Compensation: $24,300,112, H. Edward Hanway - CIGNA, Total Compensation: $12,236,740 Did these people ever empty a bed pan or perform surgery or do a single thing to help a sick person?
I am saddened that a young lady would be abused for a knee high dress by people who believe in the same god as you. AMERIKA AMERIKA AMERIKA AMERIKA so there free your willy somewhere else please.
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ken Driessen: I am saddened that a young lady would be abused for a knee high dress by people who believe in the same god as you.
While she and her family may be christian, they are living in a country that operates under a different religious "law." The people that convicted and punished her are NOT Christians and do not worship/believe in the same deity that Christian's do.
Now, on that note, and excuse the teaching here. While other religions have a different name for their deity, the translations/meanings all boil down to one term; God. It isn't that we worship/believe in different gods, just that different religions have different names for the one God. Unfortunately, many religious people haven't figured that one out as yet.
Ken, I will also add to the list. While you may believe your, er, colorful versions of normal words make you look educated, it does just the opposite. You are going to get more respect and more people will isten (or in this case read) your opinions if you use somewhat normal language. You are using the Russian spelling of Amerika and while you may think it is making a point, you are being disrespectful to the very country that allows you to write the way you do.
By the way...when you refer to Mammon, what do you mean? I admit I can't puzzle that one out.
Matthew 6:24 (King James Version) 24No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time. (where did the banker bail out money go?)
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State. (Bilderberg, Trilateral and the Federal Reserve call the shots and everybody knows it)
So the USG on many many occurances voids the constitution so Amerika it is...
apparently the men have dirty minds over there.....shame on them. they need to get their minds out of the gutter and start treating their women with respect!!! that poor girl was lashed before her mother found out about it. a very barbaric people....they need to stay out of our country.
Americans, even self-proclaimed Christian Americans, are often "Savages" as you put it. Look at our history, starting with taking Native American soil for our own, brutally murdering countless Indians. Then we burned men and women accused of being witches, then we allowed beating of those different from us, claiming Biblical dogma. We can't call these people "savages," when we, ourselves, have and continue to behave in such draconian manner.
Europe and the New World went through this thing called "the Enlightenment" whereas the Islamic world has yet to do so. Unfortunately, instead of doing the same, many of them are still scratching their heads wondering how it is that they, (once the most accomplished and educated people on the planet) were so badly overtaken a couple of centuries ago. It really doesn't matter what anybody's sacred scripture supposedly says, so please don't quote the Qu'ran, Bible or Torah--it's whether or not people are willing to live in the modern world and interpret their scripture as thinking people do.
As for the claim that religion is inherently lame, nobody who lived through the 20th century can still believe that atheism (Marxism, fascism, and other atheist movements) is necessarily a real improvement. The problem isn't belief in a Supreme Being, it's mindless fundamentalism. A fundamentalist Marxist is as dangerous as a fundamentalist Muslim.
The United States (fundamentalist Christians) have been responsible for a great multitude of deaths around the world. Though these days it's difficult to determine what our fundamental religion is. We're so convoluted and perverted about our own beliefs (or lack of beliefs), yet we criticize and condemn others for theirs.
I thank God every day for the freedoms we take for granted in the USA. Why do they live in a place where that happens? Move!
So you thank the same god whose name is printed on the dollar bill? Think again about freedom in the nation that has by far the largest amount of people in prison per capita on the face of the planet. Compared to how many times cops have beaten me, took my property lied and jailed me I would rather have been cained or lashed. Why do you live in a place where cops shoot the wrong person 50 times and get leave with pay? Maybe all the fundementalist mammon worshiping chicken hawk war profiteering spawn in this country should move?
They do move, but then they live the same as before, just look at how the Muslims live in the Netherlands, Great Briton, France, Italy and Germany and other places. They don't want to change, I don't know what it is, is it plain stupidity, ignorance or both?
Actually, I'll have you know (It's not your fault though, since in the news, it is said the complete opposite) that the troubles in France recieve only very little influence from religions, such as Islam, and is MUCH more, if not solely an issue of ethnicity, class, and recognition of work from immigrants. I would know very well, I was there during the main events that made news around the globe. The issue being that the society and the governement gave very little notice and treated basically like @!$%# the first generation immigrants from ex-colonies such as Algeria, and thus, those fairly calm and reasonable people were replaced after one or two generations by youngs angry about their place in society and the little recognition they have in the eyes of the governement.
At first, that part of society did not exist in the eyes of the public, they were fairly oppressed, had very little pay or job opportunity, and it would have continued on if not for the - I must admit way too violent but - necessary "rebelion" of that class, which finally gains recognition, and for which people are finally fighting for.
don't get too comfortable sweetheart.
They should have had the $h*t beaten out of them for rioting just like rioters here should have their teeth kicked in. There is never justification for destroying other's property as part of a protest. Our nation and many other free ones are all about the right to peacefully protest. Once you go beyond that right then it should be "game on" and stand by for a beat down.
When are people ever going to figure out Christianity and stop quoting verses from the bible that are not related?
A post earlier quoting Exodus 22:18 about not suffering a witch to live. First, the old testament was devised to relay how Jesus was to be presented to the world. Yes it has many other facts with the being the most important.
Jesus said he didn't come to remove the laws the were implemented by Moses but he did come to bring a different method of salvation. One of peace and love. Of forgiveness and compassion.
The term in itself "Christianity" is derived from "Christ" in the name of Jesus Christ. SO if you want to quote or talk about REAL Christianity, get your quotes out of the New Testament. Read it (in prayer) and see how the new differs from the old. The laws of the old testament are still maintained but not all of them.
The other aspect in understanding the bible and it's laws is to know, who, what, where and when certain laws were invoked and to which people they were invoked upon. Yes, this comes with much studying. No, I'm not a scholar and have to do follow my own advice in order to understand the true meaning.
Yes, a Christian goes by the New Testament.....I noticed a lot of people here are quoting the Old Testament.
Keyaira,
I agree that interpretation of Scripture is key. Many current "interpretations" take Scripture out of context and in doing so, create "contradictions". If the cultural context is preserved, contradictions do not exist.
An example of taking Scripture out of context is your own citation of Exodus 22:18. The witches are condemned to a "spiritual death" as "to put to death" refers to being "cut off". Violence is not part of the ramifications for any type of spiritism. The articles you cited are examples of people who are ignorant of the cultural context.
I was thinkin about god givin' mary the infinite wang and knockin' 'er up and stuff. Like common now all that omnipotent all powerful stuff had to turn to sperm and DNA somewhere along the way. Imagine, squeekie squeekie squeekie wam bam thank you mam wha la JESUS.
And if you read the Quran you will find out that Abraham, Moses as well as Jesus are written into it to the point where it is for the most part it is a Bible commentary. We all have but one Earth to live on we are all multi-cellular biological beings all our individuals cells get along to keep us alive maybe just maybe we can take a lesson from this and get along with one another. Agree to disagree about this stuff and take care of Each other and our planet before we go extinct.
move? I think you have virtually no understanding for what it is to be born into such a society. There are people who are miserable all their lives in whatever area they are born into in the US never moving out of fear of new experiences, the unknown. In the Sudan the muslims have been committing genocide against black christians for years. There is a state of constant civil war there. I'm not saying it's impossible to get out of there but try to understand that someone born into an insanely brutal abusive culture is going to have a hard time finding their way.
Nancy,
Christians refer to the Old Testament (the foundation) as well as the New.
One must also realize that Allah is not the original name of the Muslim/Islamic deity. This can be verified by anyone with minimal time, so don't just take my word for it. Check it out for yourself. Allah's original name Started with and 'S', ended with an 'N' and had an 'I' in the middle. Oh, BTW, it only had three letters. That's right! Allah's original name was SIN, the illumination of the night. (The Moon god.) This goes all the way back to the time of Nimrod, Baal, Semiramis, and the temple harlots. [Sounds like the name of a sixties psychedelic band. Groovy!]
While I am a Christian I don't believe in using the bible as a basis for law. I believe in seperation of church and state. That's a huge difference in most Christians and the Radical Muslims. We believe in setting a good example and hoping others want to follow that and they believe in imposing their sick interpretation of their faith on others. I'd love 5 minutes with the loser who's supposed to be administering the lashes. They'd need to pull a reserve off the bench when I was done, and one after that if I got a chance to tangle with him!!!
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SharonM - I doubt it is that easy for them to just pack up and move. These are some of the poorest regions in the world. I sympathize with the people there. Another reason for me to be thankful that I live where I do. When I read posts on this site by people that slam the presidency, I think about how they would fare in another country speaking ill of their leaders, they would be killed! So to the Obama bashers, I say, feel free to leave the country and move to another one where they will gladly cut your tongue out and beat your daughter half to death because she work a knee length skirt! We have it good, so act like you know!
Ken, if you've really been beaten, stolen from and wrongfully imprisoned repeatedly by the local police, perhaps YOU should consider moving to a new town where they don't have it in for you!
I agree Sharon,
Ken Driessen, it's been my experience that law-abiding decent folk, don't get shot 50 times by police. They also don't have their property taken, get falsely arrested or any of the other things you describe. I know this does happen, but by and large I'd much rather get on the wrong side of any US police officer than any third world or especially muslim authority. If you really would prefer sharii law, they would simply cut off your hand when you stole something or sold drugs to their children or did things that they basically don't approve of.
Caning would be the least of you worries, unless you happened to wear knee high skirts. Then again, caning would be the least of your worries. {:{]}
I see that the outcry from the oft-cited legions of "moderate" muslims, outraged (or so we are always assured) by such "misrepresentations" of their enlightened religion, is once again conspicuous in its absence.
Do people really think its as easy as just moving? These are not people with money or means to immigrate. Plus, they have to find a country that will accept them as immigrants. Think, people, think.
Antisocialite: Can't disagree with that at all. In fact, I think that the "moderate, peace-loving Muslims" really need to start to stand up and support freedom of all religions, including in the traditionally Muslim countries. A failure to do so leads me, and many others to the only logical conclusion: Islam is not a valid religion. It is just an excuse for thuggery. Sharia law is nothing more than totalitarian dictatorship. Attila the Hun would be proud! As would Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and, apparently, Obama.
They lash girls for wearing short skirts and we here in the U.S. arrest women for breastfeeding in public. How different are we, really?
Boons: In that regard, at least they are consistent. Although you'd be hard pressed to convince me that they don't enjoy the sight of a naked body as much as the rest of us. There is no doubt that a lot of issues would disappear if people were allowed to be naked or breast feed in public. Then there would be a sense of maturity, and probably a lot less pornography and disrespect for the human body.
The judge and the lawyer need their genitalia ripped from their bodies for being stupid. The were probably looking at her with sex in mind. If Islam is so good why do they punish their own people for nothing?
This is what islam is about. This is not "radical" islam.
Drones, smart bombs, cluster bombs, average the cost of killing one of the "enemy" along with 10s and hundreds innocent people in war. Where does the Amerikan god disburse the profits of war to? Chicken hawk war profiteer CEOs of course. Check this out: Iraq Body Count says 93,540-102,071 violent deaths. Lancet medical journal estimated over 600,000 deaths related to the war as of 2006, the Opinion Research Business puts the toll at over a million people. If you want to have a job working for the government controlled by the occupier you need low death toll estimates. If you are from Amerika and like the low estimates think of it this way: 85K people killed at a cost of 691 billion equals 8 million $ spent per person killed. Please check my math.
What the little girl went through is a gift and easy compared to what any Amerikan with even part of a single brain cell thinking with even marginal compassion for humanity has to suffer knowing the Mammon is the "In God We Trust" that is printed on our money. Yes I am upset with Obama too but not because I want him to kill more people like it seems many who comment here do. The hatefulness of the comments of some people here make what happened to the young lady at the hands of fundamentalist Islamic goofs seem like a walk in the park. When you show so much hate to over a billion people who believe in the same Abrahamic god as the people who made the comments believe they are hating themselves by espousing such hate. Part of me feels sorry for them that have to live in such hateful biased souls. One girl is spanked and they call for the genitalia of a billion people. Forgive them for they know not what they do.
The whole islamic ideology needs to be eradicated from the planet. The world today is a thousand years behind, technologically, because of islam. There were technological developments like steam power being developed in the Arabic world between 700A.D. and 800A.D. that were snuffed out because islam wouldn't allow it. We lost a thousand years of knowledge for a backwards religion that wants to keep it's followers subservient and stupid. It's a shame for the Middle Eastern people, because they could have been the technological epicenter of the world, and who knows where we would be as a race today with an additional 1000 years of technology.
Ken 4.2
I'm guessing that's a major typo, dude... that number is like 15 times the total population of the planet...??
An what did the Christians do to Galileo? What does "in god we trust" on our dollar bill do for planet Earth? I'm not sticking up for Islam here. There are no doubt as many sectarian humanists per capita in Arabian countries as their are in the US. The atheists cut down religious people without adding anything more humane. Eradicated sound kind of like genocide, Amerikan bankers and milirary industrial complex mogul Zionists tried that when they backed Hitler. That is why I'm a spiritual evolutionist scientific naturalist, as much as I bitch and soap box here, I love my Homo sapiens species and that includes you.
I appreciate the love, brother. I'm not for the killing of people. The islamic way of thinking needs to go.
It is not a typo swami the statistics I quoted said between 93k and 102 k. I hope that makes more sense to you , thanks.
She was lashed for wearing a skirt that was "too short". In the U.S.A. we have people who would say she deserved to be raped for that.
Truly, we aren't a whole lot different.
Religion no matter the name (Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, whatever) is the biggest threat to mans continued existence on this planet. Faith is of god, religion is of man, faith is real, religion (all of them) are a scam. to keep those in power in that position, and mainly to keep women subservient to man
And why do so many of our lefties keep trying to defend the indefensible...like this? Whenever they are not too busy promoting women's rights in America, of course.
What leftie or righty for that matter is defending this? The US can't invade every place that is dominated by a backward religion that abuses children - or we would have to invade Boston.
Please, give me just ONE, ONE example of "Lefties" as you say that defend those kinds of acts. A single one. No? None? Well there we go.
Actually, from what I gathered, it is more the most religious persons that DO in fact try to defend some of those acts, and I have examples to prove it.
Let's take for example the Cartoons depicting the Prophet.
People actually DIED because of those Cartoons, murdered by nutjobs mainly in africa. There were protests, violent protests, everywhere around the globe, there were Death Threats sent to everyone even remotely related to those cartoonists. And what did most religious leaders blame? Such as the Pope, The Archbishop of the Church of England and other such nutjobs? Did they blame the reactions? The people killing? The instigators? No.
In fact they blamed the Cartoonist for "Causing" this reaction in the first place, for commiting "Blasphemy"...
There we go, one example of Religious nutjobs taking their side, zero that I've seen on the left as of yet.
Keep searching, I'd be happy to admit I was wrong, but give me evidence, give me names.
I like how neo-conservatives call progressive people who believe in liberty for all lefties. Left and right are physical geographical directions while neo-capitalist war profiteering conservativism is simply wrong. The Bush Administration gave over 30 million dollars to the Taliban to irradicate poppies before 9/11. It is the conservative fundementalists who call themselves Chiristians while they worship Mammon. Conservatives are advancing the causes of fundementalist Islamic law. Those who call themselves conservatives and republicans would never ever consider that the USA should be held accountable for war crimes against humanity or abide by the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
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cassandra-1415375 actually right wingers are more like this people than leftists, they are the ones that judge people based on religion, like this Muslim people do, they are the ones that think the earth is only 6000 years old, God should be mentioned at schools and government offices, they are the ones that define marriage based on the Bible, protect the fetus and abuse and kill the already born. They are both conservatives, they try to conserve the status quo and are not willing to change.
It was "lefties" years ago that started bringing news of the Taliban when it first cropped up. It was righties that b*tched and complained about "lefties" like Mavis Leno (Jay's wife) and other women who were trying to bring freedom to females in Afghanistan. They were "big mouthed feminists" for fighting against oppression of females.
Now suddenly you "righties" want to pretend you are pro-female rights? Where were you last week when Glenn Beck told Sarah Palin to get back in the kitchen and cook him a meal instead of trying to run for president?
14th Century Misogeny dressed in religious clothing. I don't know what's worse - the authoritarian nuts who really believe in this kind of "law", or ones who just exploit it for their own perverted needs. (And I was raised Catholic and they've had similar disgusting crap going on for centuries, so it's not just Islam.)
The worst thing to ever happen to man is organized religion. Faith is one thing, because it's an internal, personal manifestation of wishful thinking and a need a for security, but when it organizes in to a movement - absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Right on, Mike.......when you get right down to the guts of the matter, you speak gospel. Another vote for your clarity of thought.
@mike n.... you said EXACTYLY what is the major problem in the world today. faith is an internal feeling that everyone has in some shape or form and that's awesome. without faith, people would be jumping off bridges, ect.
organized religion no matter what kind has done more harm since the before the bronze age, than any military industrial nation could ever do. i've always held the beleif that no one under the age of 18 should be subjected to organized religion; young minds are molded and stretched to believe anything that comes out of elders mouths; and sometimes, looking at catholic preists here, are victims of horrible abuse....
ban it all....
Thank you Pam and sqncr.
Well said, Mike. Organized religions is just a tool used to control the masses. People hate nothing more than an atheist, agnostic or a believe that doesn't attend church, because it means they cannot be controlled.
How could this happen in a place governed by a 'peaceful' religion? When will people ever recognize that Islam is ignorant of and brutal to anyone who isn't a follower?
So was Christainity, but it grew out of that for the most part with the influence of Western Enlightenment a few centuries ago. Unfortunately Islam is trapped in history and lagging centuries behind. But lets not forget that the Irish were still slaughtering each other over their postion as Christians until relatively recently. It's all pretty retarded IMO.
So is Christianity, Mike N, it stills is ignorant and brutal, not openly, just subtle. We just have less ignorance than those Muslim people and thanks God we had an Enlightenment.
"But lets not forget that the Irish were still slaughtering each other over their postion as Christians until relatively recently."
Excellent point, miken!!!
Another fine example of the "peaceful" religion of islam.....
Yeah, we kill gays here because our peaceful religion tell us that is a sin. Yeah, we are much better Asrancher.
I shudder to think that within 40 years, the enforcement of islamic law against all faiths will likely be rampant all over Europe and US. Even in England, they're setting up sharia courts. It's just a matter of time before the will of Allah is forced down everyone's throat.
Actually they are ALREADY set up in England, even though they have very vocal opposition from members of the public. Unfortunately, the parliement has proved again AND again that it prefers to avoid "A fuss" with the extremist muslim community (Because I have to point out that a lot of mainstream muslims are as pissed off about all that as everyone else) than to actually do their work toward the equality of all, no matter the religion (They don't just have those kind of courts for muslim, as far as I know, they also have such things for jews on their own accord, and while it may not be as terrible, in principle, it's just as wrong).
Actually, if you're interested, there is a Petition online against the Sharia Courts in England.
http://onelawforallpetition.com/onelaw/onela300.php?nr=40155035
This was tried in Canada not long ago as well. The difficulty is because of those same Jewish Orthodox family courts, which already exist here. Since there's one for the Jewish faith, there is technically no basis for denying one to the Muslim faith, otherwise the government can be accused of discrimination against Islam. I would imagine Britain had the same issue. I'm not sure how we managed to strike it down here.
In my opinion, there should be one law of the land that applies to everyone. If a certain religion wants their own laws, then the religion can go ahead and enforce them on their own. But we cannot allow the religious laws to override the country's laws. If it's illegal to beat another person, then it doesn't matter what the religion says. If you're in Canada, then Canada's laws override the religious ones. The only way the beating would be allowed is if the people of Canada agreed it should be, and the Canadian law was changed accordingly.
Thank God we have the 2nd Amendment to protect us against an abusive government forcing Islam (or any religion) on American Citizens. The first step in establishing any totalitariangovernment is to disarm the public. Freedom is something you fight to the death to keep. Countries like Sudan are the result of trying to negotiate with extremists instead of exterminating them. You can keep your head buried in the sand about Islam all you want, but the truth is quite obvious if you just open your eyes and look for it. Wake up America before it's too late.
All religion is designed to keep the masses in check. Invented by man, not God. Worship privatly, quit being sheep and never mix religion with politics.
that's easily said than done....
bdorgle, the problem is with false religions...and more pointedly, with sinful man. The Bible is true and God is real, but sinful men will twist the truth to carry out their evil desires. Only Christ can save us from ourselves.
Send Bill Maher over to stick a mic in their face .... love to see that clip.
I'd pay for his first class ticket.
Yeah the Muslims here are nothing like that. Except there was that one guy a few weeks ago who ran his teenage daughter over with his car because he felt she was becoming too "westernized". And there was that family in Texas who put a hit out on their daughter because she fell in love with an unsuitable boy................
Ah, the wonderful world of Islamic law, don't ya just love it (read sarcasm)...what a bunch of nut-jobs!!
I was stopped for drunk driving by a cop that knew me and hated me. He lied and said I accelorated wildly, swerved completely into the other lane, ignored his warning lights and came to a complete stop parked perfectly parallel along the road all in a 600 foot distance. The pervert reached into my pants pocket and found .36 of a gram of cannabis and said I volutarily handed it to him in the police report. I'm facing over 3 1/2 years in prison $10,000 fine and a felony for life. Flog me or give me the death sentance already. The f-ing nazi drug war and conventional war profiteering chicken hawk pigs in the US have no right to say anything about any law or penalty anywhere on Earth.
Have a nice time in jail. Might I suggest soap on a rope?
Hed: Being a sadistic fundementalist infinitley greedy pig is worse for your health than jail. Your head is a stroke waiting to happen. No matter what the final sentance is I will some day be out of jail, you on the other hand will be stuck inside a hateful sadistic anal retentive shell of a human until you die. Then when you reincarnate you will be twice as spiteful until your mammon soul finally achieves the fall of mankind and the final judgment day of extinction and you will become nothing for ever, the same never ending void that is your mind right this very moment. I feel sorry for you.
Bubba might reach into your pocket too, but he's not going to grab your cannabis.
Ken....your hypocrasy is stiffeling.....I do not see you having sympathy for anyone but yourself.
If it looks like a troll, and acts like a troll......
Wow somebody that can spell hypocracy and does not understand Freudian projection. If the angel from Montgomery calls me a troll I'm a happy proud troll at that. Go listen to "Sympathy for the Devil" lady: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-ARdG5oseo Then come back and tell me all about your sympathy. Thank you
Absolutely, Ken....when you can't argue facts...argue semantics.
And you can hump my leg all you like......but it won't change the fact that you come across as a bored little boy, home from school, with nothing better to do but spew venom and make cross references to obscure Rolling Stones hits.
So please allow me to introduce myself....I'm a woman who's onto you!
...NOT (X 2)-- 'hypocrisy'
LOL.....thank you, swamijim! I'll make sure I get it right next time!
You lie so bad your nose is growing through my monitor.
well good luck with that ken but just remember it's better to be in a u.s. jail than to live in most countries.and i do agree with you somewhat i say we should bring back public flogging,make it a pay-per-view event.
Ken...
Why is it that most people that get busted alot tend to think that they are getting picked on? AND- they are usually liberals just like YOU.
Liberals are the ones who want to appease islamic terrorists, not conservatives.
Has it ever occurred to you that maybe it's your actions that get you in trouble? The liberal way is to blame others just like you do. Sounds like maybe you belong in prison.
Excuse me but I think it's "stifling" not "stiffeling"?
MNov....I just keep confusing the lamp with the condition...LOL!
Why is everyone correcting Pam Montgomery's spelling when you COULD be telling Ken how stupid he is?????
Islam is and continues to be a religion of hate.
They also worship the devil and kill their own offspring
Yeah at least Christian leaders are loving enough to have anal sex with little boys.
Ken, you rhetoric scares the willies out of me. You keep writing the same thing over and over, just rearranging your words to make it seem like a new, thought provoking post. Your coffee shop philosophy is mundane at best. If anal sex is outlawed in the Qu'ran then pray tell me why so many incarcerated male Muslims engage in it? Does being in prison excuse them from the practice and laws of Islam? Just curious.....
"If anal sex is outlawed in the Qu'ran then pray tell me why so many incarcerated male Muslims engage in it? Does being in prison excuse them from the practice and laws of Islam? Just curious....."
We could ask the same thing about anal sex and the Bible...why is it so many incarcerated Christians engage in it??? And yes, why do so many priests and ministers engage in it, too? With children, no less??
I wish Ken could refer to "Catholic leaders" instead of "Christians" when he makes nasty comments~ Protestant Christianity is quite different from Catholicism -
But - isn't this blog about a girl being lashed 50 times because her skirt was short?
'cause a few of you have turned it into an indictment of every religion on the planet and a smear of law enforcement officers and France.....?????????
Mike N, I don't know what your own view are...but you just gave a great example of typical lefty selective indignation, which I call "the wellwhatabouts?" The Islamic courts are carrying out these atrocities, but somehow or other Islam has become the latest client of the left. So if the lefties can't defend this extremism directly, they make absurd comparisons with something else...in this case, Boston.
I don't know what Boston event you refer to, but it was almost certainly an isolated incident, not a concerted campaign of repression, and I doubt very much that it involved a judge ordering someone flogged for wearing a knee-length skirt.
Actually I'm curious, can you give me a link or a short version of the Boston story? I never heard about it (Or if I did, I didn't pay attention enough to remember it).
Cassandra, WTF? I'm about as much a leftie as my right arm. My comment was a black humor reference to all the raped and abused children of the Catholic Church. Boston is known to be heavily Catholic, hence the reference. Ta da.
Nobody is excusing Islam's hatred for women. But by pointing out the fact that when those of you who call yourselves christians bash them, you should also be looking toward the evils in your own religion. You can't excuse your own foibles while complaining about theirs.
To many of us, you are all guilty of this kind of crime in some form or another.
Islam, religion of peace and tolerance. Does anyone wonder why "Islamo-phobia" exists and is getting more prevalent?
because peace and tolerance is only for other muslims,kinda like the christian church used to be.convert or die,and that's the same 'peace and tolerance"muslims support .which is why many are afraid of islam.i'm not saying any other religion is better,but when you say kill the infidels,or claim that you are a blasphemer because you call god"same god by the way"by another name.or decide that followers of a different faith,or even the same faith must all die.well that is scary.
why do muslims want to kill us for not believing their god?
If Allah is so great, why are there any Islamics here at all?
The simple reason for this happening is because many muslims are too weak in their islamic faith to keep it in their pants and so the fanatics turn around and enact ungodly laws in the hopes of keeping it in their pants. This disgraceful law is sort of like the anti-2nd Amendment laws that we have, we punish everybody all because of a few who cannot control themselves.
Here we go again, those peace loving Muslims.
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.
Actually no, some terrorist are also Hindus (May I remind the assassination of Ghandi) Buddhists (look up the Sri Lanka) and other such "peaceful religion".
Tim McVey rings a bell.
William Ayres rings a few chimes too....
Tim mcvey's acts had nothing to do with religion.Yes he was christian but his terroristic act was not religiously motivated,unlike nearly all islamic suicide bombers.Why do people always want to bring Tim up in defense of Islam?....And William Ayers,Mark?He was a political Terrorist/activist against the vietnam war and the American government in general.........religion had nothing to do with it........Now,instead of digging in the past,Islamic terrorists have killed more people and caused more damage in the last two months than either of those two radical nutjobs ever did.....Except the islamists do it in the name of allah......Are your bells still ringing?........No offense meant,just my opinion,ya'll take care.
dm...If you don't concider the Oklahoma bomber ( McVey)a terrorist....what exactly would you call him?
Where did I say he wasn't a terrorist pam?....I said his act of trrorism was not religiously motivated.
Hmm, and one of the persons in the Obama administration think shariah law should be practiced here.
I wonder what the women folk will think about that?
Please give me his or her name, and a source (other than Fox News), and, if not, permit me to laugh at your face for quite some time considering your ignorance.
Keyaira
From Assyrian International News Agency:
“Washington -- Miss Mogahed, appointed to the President's Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, said the Western view of Sharia was "oversimplified"
Sharia is a religious code which decrees such matters as dressing modestly. It also requires the separation of men and women.
It also includes the "Hadd offences", crimes with specific penalties set by the Koran and the sayings of the prophet Mohammed. These include death by stoning for adultery and homosexuality and the removal of a hand for theft.
Miss Mogahed admitted that many Muslims associated Sharia with "maximum criminal punishments" and "laws that... to many people seem unequal to women," but added: Part of the reason that there is this perception of Sharia is because Sharia is not well understood.
Miss Mogahed is the first veiled Muslim woman to serve in the White House. “
Both Mogahad and Obama are Muslim fanatics
And here I will teach you how to read.
From what I read, that woman was attempting to give an explanation and a defence toward the Sharia law and it's application in some countries, which is her right, even if I very much disagree with her.
But WHERE in the article, can you point to me that she advocated the use of Sharia law in the US. Point me where.
If you can point me to a text (Oh, and please provide a link too, just in case, even though I believe the article you gave is genuine) where that dame did in fact argue that she would like to see the Sharia law in the US, and then I'll stop calling you complete ignorant and call her a moron.
And then point me to a text where Obama AGREES with the assessment that the Sharia law should be applied in the US, and perhaps people will stop looking at you like a Glenn Beck fanatic.
Keyaira
One must do more than read to understand. They must also be able to think. Miss Mogahed did not say Sharia was wrong. She says it is over-simplified – what ever that means. Obama is no better – in fact much worst. He is a con artist who easily fools people with tiny brains – you for example.
http://newsflavor.com/opinions/obamas-legal-state-department-adviser-impose-sharia-law-on-america/
I never said that she said the Sharia law was wrong, I said all the contrary in fact, that she was giving a defence OF sharia law, but, here again, no word toward putting it to law in the US.
Now maybe she THINKS it might be a good idea, but stupid people are free to think stupid ideas as far as I'm concerned, and even free to express them. But, here again, as far as I see, there is no saying that she supports it.
George, keep spreading the fear. You are no better than the guy holding the whip.
Joebuck-473118 - The article you linked is published in the category "Opinion"... And what a very strong opinion it is indeed... But the only "Fact" it reported was that the guy has a very strong and low opinion of the President (Just look at some of the comments he makes) and a quote from, of all things, the New York Post - aka Fox News Paper Version -.
Is this the best one can do?
Keyaira,
don't we all have opinions? Like that moron Keith O on msnbc.
Yes but opinion does not make fact. What I ask is fact. That the writer says that this or that person supports the application of the sharia law in the US, fine, I may believe it if it' from a fairly known, recognized and respected institution, from which we know that we can have real facts.
But, here, first off, a news institution of which I have never heard. Now, in and of itself, that is fine, I had never heard of the Assyrian International News Agency either. BUT, when the writer talks in such horrid terms as these, only quote very shaky sources, and doesn't even quote the persons in themselves, allow me to be very skeptic about the truth of the article.
I once saw an article very critical of the Obama administration on the Newsweek website, which itself is fairly renown. That doesn't mean I took it for truth, and, you know why? Because in the author section, the name Karl Rove was written.
Same thing here, even though the author may not be exactly the same, the source has very little credibility.
Fox News is the only real news source. Anyone whom thinks that MSNBC or CNN is the real thing is an idiot.
FOX News, the only real news source--- I think your statement alone shows us who the real idiot is.
It happens to be the religion created by satan as an alternative to Christianity. He hates Christ Jesus you know! So now he has his very own religion to get people to entertain him with all kind of blood sports and retrobutions know to man. Enjoy it's a religion coming to your neighborhood someday, and you will follow their law or death.
What do you expect, Mohamed was a war lord responsible for killing millions, and then he raped little girls and boys for his enjoyment. Then one day after he had a bad dream, he created a new religion, and told his followers that they better believe it, or he will cut of their heads. So all his followers rather keep their heads started to believe his story.
All religion is the same, and very lame. Ye who cast stones. LOL simple minded america.
Simple minded enough to be the most powerful coutry the world has ever seen. Keep defending 8th century people, the gap between us is only getting wider. Soon you and the rest of the those who want sharia law and to be able to walk arm-in arm in publc with your 10 year old wives will be forgotten like the lost tribes of the amazon.
Hmmm, the comments about Mohammed anf Islamic history closely parallels that of Christianity-- killing heretics, convert or die, perversions, etc...
People in glass house...
just a little more evidence that these people wish to live in the stone age. i bet the judge that passed judgement on this girl never did anything wrong or against the muslim religeon. usially those that pass judgement are worst offenders than those they punish.
Really backwards culture.
Jesus told us to love our neighbors. Mohammed said to cut off their fingers, heads, etc. Mohammed married an 8 year old, (making him a pedophile) Jesus never married. Mohammed led numerous battles, killing many. Jesus said "he who lives by the sword will die by the sword." Muslims commit acts of terrorism on a daily basis. go to the religion of peace dot com, all you Islam apologists, and refute each act documented there.
Iraq's leader says he'd like to see the US under sharia. the article associated with this discussion serves as a warning of what we have to look forward to.
The bastardized Jesus of Amerika says "Kill as many innocent women and children with smart bombs and drones as you can, if you do this in my name I will take everything from you and give it unto the CEOs of the companies who manufacture the weapons". Jesus of Amerika says "let us take one incident of one woman being abused and use it to condem over a billion who share the same belief in the same Abrahamic god as the Zionists do". The Amerikan Jesus says "those who live by Mammon will die by Mammon". Oh and keep paying your health insurance premiums and don't read the small print until you are sick and dying, that is what the Jesus of Amerika told you to do isn't it?
Behold ….. irreconcilable differences.
Religion is the bane of man.
I know it's the bane of me.
"Religion is the Opiate of the Masses."
Amen.
Hey Ken,
It's America, not Amerika, idiot. If you can't spell it correctly, don't use the word! As for the rest of your hogwash, stick it where the sun doesn't shine, ok? We don't need morons like you and your fellow Islamic terrorists telling us how to live, when you'll torture a teenager for wearing a skirt. I guess it's fine for you neaderthals to kill 3,000 innocent civilians at the World Trade Center, but a drone bombing known terrorists is a travesty? Please! Go sell your joke of a "religion" somewhere else, because rational thinking people know you're just a bunch of cowardly MURDERERS!!
I don't believe in the Abrahamic god of Islam and the Zionists which put "in god we trust" on US Federal Reserve fait money. Your Pet Goat reader, PNAC, Zionists and Silverstein killed the innocent money changers at the WTC and probably a million others around the world to seize the world for NWO. When the people below make a sacrifice for freedom and democracy just maybe Amerika will not longer be spelled with a 'k'. How much money do war profiteers have to make until the blind conservatives will see? I'm sure by the sound of what you say that you believe in the same god as the Muslims. Here are some chicken hawk war profiteers cowards for you now that you mention coward:
Here is where the war booty gained on the backs of our soldiers goes: Vance Coffman of Lockheed martin made 150 million, John Walsh of GE made 122million, L.B. Raymond of Exxon made 114 million, Michel Dell made 500 million, Davis Cote of TRW made 44 million, George David of United Technologies made 280 million, DHB David Brooks made 250 million in one year including wages, bonuses, benefits and stock options…What did these people do to defend our country? Did they risk their lives. No they bought our government.
Here is where your health care dollar goes: William McGuire, of UnitedHealth Group: $124.8 million in one year..CEO Ray Gilmartin of Merck: total 2004 compensation was $37.8 million, Ron Williams - Aetna:Total Compensation: $24,300,112, H. Edward Hanway - CIGNA, Total Compensation: $12,236,740 Did these people ever empty a bed pan or perform surgery or do a single thing to help a sick person?
I am saddened that a young lady would be abused for a knee high dress by people who believe in the same god as you. AMERIKA AMERIKA AMERIKA AMERIKA so there free your willy somewhere else please.
Bottom line is Muslims hate women. Also to hell with all WAR PIGS
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We are on to you Ken.
Ken Driessen is really a moron.
While she and her family may be christian, they are living in a country that operates under a different religious "law." The people that convicted and punished her are NOT Christians and do not worship/believe in the same deity that Christian's do.
Now, on that note, and excuse the teaching here. While other religions have a different name for their deity, the translations/meanings all boil down to one term; God. It isn't that we worship/believe in different gods, just that different religions have different names for the one God. Unfortunately, many religious people haven't figured that one out as yet.
Ken, I will also add to the list. While you may believe your, er, colorful versions of normal words make you look educated, it does just the opposite. You are going to get more respect and more people will isten (or in this case read) your opinions if you use somewhat normal language. You are using the Russian spelling of Amerika and while you may think it is making a point, you are being disrespectful to the very country that allows you to write the way you do.
By the way...when you refer to Mammon, what do you mean? I admit I can't puzzle that one out.
Matthew 6:24 (King James Version) 24No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Part of Article 1 Section 9:
No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time. (where did the banker bail out money go?)
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State. (Bilderberg, Trilateral and the Federal Reserve call the shots and everybody knows it)
So the USG on many many occurances voids the constitution so Amerika it is...
apparently the men have dirty minds over there.....shame on them. they need to get their minds out of the gutter and start treating their women with respect!!! that poor girl was lashed before her mother found out about it. a very barbaric people....they need to stay out of our country.
And people wonder how the Term Savages came to be to describe these uneducated fools ....
Yes. All who follow any religion are fools.
Americans, even self-proclaimed Christian Americans, are often "Savages" as you put it. Look at our history, starting with taking Native American soil for our own, brutally murdering countless Indians. Then we burned men and women accused of being witches, then we allowed beating of those different from us, claiming Biblical dogma. We can't call these people "savages," when we, ourselves, have and continue to behave in such draconian manner.
We only murdered the savages when they cut off our scalps. We only burned witches who listened to Michael Jackson music. - So what’s wrong with that?
Well in the 21st century ... anything islams far out ranks any other religion in cult like backward ways ... the past is the past ISLAM hasnt changed
And neither has Christianity. All religion is lame. Sheep.
Europe and the New World went through this thing called "the Enlightenment" whereas the Islamic world has yet to do so. Unfortunately, instead of doing the same, many of them are still scratching their heads wondering how it is that they, (once the most accomplished and educated people on the planet) were so badly overtaken a couple of centuries ago. It really doesn't matter what anybody's sacred scripture supposedly says, so please don't quote the Qu'ran, Bible or Torah--it's whether or not people are willing to live in the modern world and interpret their scripture as thinking people do.
As for the claim that religion is inherently lame, nobody who lived through the 20th century can still believe that atheism (Marxism, fascism, and other atheist movements) is necessarily a real improvement. The problem isn't belief in a Supreme Being, it's mindless fundamentalism. A fundamentalist Marxist is as dangerous as a fundamentalist Muslim.
The United States (fundamentalist Christians) have been responsible for a great multitude of deaths around the world. Though these days it's difficult to determine what our fundamental religion is. We're so convoluted and perverted about our own beliefs (or lack of beliefs), yet we criticize and condemn others for theirs.