Really? When was the last time you were in Oregon?

I am extremely gratified to see that somewhere there are people who are as sick and tired of paying the price for unrealisitic marijuana laws as I am. GO Oregon.

No, taterland, it is not possible.

But, please, use your amazing brain and tell us how and why you know what's best for other people! How do you know more about medicine than a physician? How is the peaceful and private use of a plant detrimental to your existence in any way, shape, or form?

You must like the status quo wherein armed thugs peddle unregulated drugs to passing children on the street corner. In this case, you would prefer that state-recognized medical cannabis patients risk their very lives to go these thugs to get the medicine the people of Oregon have allowed them to use?

Do you really like forcing people, who will use this stuff recreationally or medicinally, to pay untold sums of cash to violent people who forward it on to some of the most disgusting criminal elements in the world? I guess that means that you are rooting for success of the drug cartels the same way our cops and politicians are... That must make you feel pretty righteous. To hell with freedom and individual responsibility, huh? Long live Guzman?

So, while it is not possible for a parcel of land to be brain dead, prohibitionists demonstrate that capacity everytime they speak up!

I see. So if I oppose the legalization of a mind-altering, brain cell killing drug, I am brain dead. But if I sit around all day and smoke pot I'm enlightened. Nice logic. They're not called stoners for nothing.

It alters your perception for only a limited period of time... kind of like if you drink alcohol you aren't permanently drunk.

Who, besides ignorant people with baseless opinions, ever said that cannabis kills brain cells? It kills certain cancer cells, yes. It helps protect aging brain cells against Alzheimer's, yes. But it is not a neurotoxin. Sorry.

No one said sitting around all day smoking pot was the point of legalization. Just like no one said that ending alcohol prohibition was just so people could sit around and get drunk all day. Seriously, where do you get this stuff?

I'm not calling you brain dead, but you certainly are far from enlightened on this subject. I will make no claims of enlightenment for myself, make no mistake. But I also will not preempt peaceful freedom by making my personal opinions against others into law.

So, you don't know what you are talking about; you use your ignorance as a way to malign people who are as peaceful and generally productive and intelligent as any other group of people; and you believe in prohibition, despite all of its destructive effects on society (and, yes, the children).

You should learn what logic is before you criticize how other people use it. Just my opinion, there.

Wow constituation you took the words straight out of my mouth. Since I already had the comment written before you posted I am just leaving it.

So if I oppose the legalization of a mind-altering, brain cell killing drug, I am brain dead.

Actually marijuana does not kill brain cells. Alcohol is mind altering but still legal. Heck, there are tons of legal prescription drugs that will alter you mind.

But if I sit around all day and smoke pot I'm enlightened.

No one is saying its good to sit around and smoke all day. Thats like saying people who want to keep alcohol legalized sit around and drink all day

Constitution Thumper.....Your post to El Guapo was excellent!

Marijuana....The only thing wrong with marijuana is the law! Change the law.

I, for one, do not want marijuana legal. I want it decriminalized. Grow your own, give it away, but don't sell it. If it is sold, there will have to be taxes and then the government gets into the drug business, just like tobacco is now. The stuff should not become a new industry. It just shouldn't be illegal.

By the way, El Guapo, it is the uniformed people, like yourself, who make these wildly false indictments of marijuana that make our young people unwilling to believe us when we tell them there is a damage that occurs from drug use. They just see that we are lying to them. Unless you know what your are talking about, keep quiet.

At least we get to hear from the totally uninformed on this thread. Some of you must remember "Reefer Madness". Good grief, I am 65 years old so I have some background on the use of marijuana and I truthfully can say it does not harm. It isn't for the young, just as other substances are not for the young, but come on, it certainly isn't going to fry your brain. It might make your brain become a happier more imaginative person but what's the harm in this?
Marijuana and hemp are very valuable products. It's about time someone woke up and took this issue seriously.

Constitution Thumper:

Who the heck do you buy your pot from? You must be hanging out in some really bad 'hoods. You might want to considered giving the "habit" a break for a while, or cultivating some new pot connections. Since there seems to be a little issue with rage, perhaps you shouldn't mix your steroids with the pot? Just a suggestion...

whatiswithpeopletoday, Where is your head, man? You sound like you've never been to school, a library or googled.

What is.....Haven't you read Constitution Thumpers posts? He doesn't use marijuana. I could be wrong. He advocates a legitimate use of the Constitution. (As opposed to the twisting of the Constitution to fit whatever the person wants.) His interpretation of the Constitution is spot on and his posts are always logical and never inflammatory. Most everything he writes is well thought out and could use some insightful deliberation.

Thanks, Jeff

I heard a Robin WIlliams skit that starts with "You S.O.B., I'm gonna kick your a$$......[deep inhale and exhale].....maybe tomorrow or next week, I'll get back to you on that".

War on Drugs. Now there's a monstrous waste of money. However, the 500,000 jobs the War on Drugs keeps going make it well worthwhile.

forumsole,

You should ask Michael Phelps, our current president, the last two presidents (one of whom was an alocholic and coke fiend), Steve Jobs, Francis Crick, Carl Sagan (he's deceased, though), Clarence Thomas, Sarah Palin, and on and on and on, plus a THIRD of the population of this country.

Using cannabis has nothing to do with how far you can get in life. An individual is still responsible for his or her own success... and if someone wants to clean pig stalls, why should you begrudge them for that? Someone's got to do it, and you sound too high on yourself to do the job. Basing your self-esteem on what other people think of your job is an insane way to go through life. Hence, your elitism means nothing to anyone with a backbone.

Sounds, in any case, like jtm does more thinking than you forumsole, at least on this particular issue. So why did you even comment at all? Is your insult supposed to show some sort of moral superiority when it comes to the individual decision to use cannabis (or shrooms in the case of this post)? If so, you failed.

forumsole, about the whole engineer thing refer to my post #8.3.

Constitution, your whole post was a great read. Thumbs up and friend request =) We need more people like you!

Thank you, Lana. I'm glad to join you in the cause, for the sake of freedom.

I'm high? Really? That's the best you can do?

Justify why someone should be a criminal for smoking an herb in the peace and quiet of their own home. Use your brain. Insulting people and wishing their children to be stolen kind of hurts your claim of moral superiority.

If I'm high, you are just stupid.

Yet, your okay with Alcohol? never mind 50,000 people die from alcohol related CRASHES alone every year, not to mention how many more die from Liver Failure, etc, etc. But, it is okay, because the Government says so, right? Hypocrites! Lets not count how many people die from PRESCRIPTION Medication every year, but, its okay the pharmaceutical companies say its alright, and even worse, backed by the FDA, but, its okay, right? Spare us all the gloom and doom of Marijuana use! The Government has played that hand out!

Angel, I hope that you get arrested for smoking that junk.

What a valuable use of police time.

and you serve jail time

What a valuable use of tax payer money.

and you have your kids taken away from you.

What a valuable thing that would be for the kids. After all who needs a mom who is a nurse anyway. It would also be quite good for the foster system. Not enough kids in there as it is.

And you call yourself a nurse, I doubt that.

My aunt and my cousin (her daughter) are both RN's who are 100% behind the medical and recreational use of marijuana so its not that amazing to find another. They get to see first hand how marijuana can help a patient.

Its okay LanaD, I was a Paramedic for 6 years. I'm all for the legalization of Marijuana. The total dollars wasted on prosecuting, arresting, and detaining people that smoke Marijuana is ridiculous. We have real issues that need to be addressed, not the use of Marijuana, that was demonized in the 40's and 50's to scare off potential users. And to give an excuse to deport the Mexicans that were smuggling the drug in. Its high time to move forward! Like the pun ? :)

Tired, I hear ya! That reefer madness can only last for so long until people wise up to the propaganda. I think that time has come. And whats funny is that the Mexicans are STILL smuggling the drug in making insane profits that should be going to American business. Not to mention we are out of billions of dollars of potential tax money that could go to good use here in the USA.

I love your pun lol I agree...Its high tome to move forward!

Angel.....I'm so glad that you got your appetite back with the help of a little marijuana. Realize that for every one LOWRIDER out there ....there are a hundred people pulling for you.

Wow, aren't you a model individual... so hateful, prejudiced, and militant.

The law is wrong, and so is your general attitude toward others.

Well, lowrider. "If" your claiming to be a conservative, that has Moral Principles, then, isn't it better to forgive, than to hate? To love, than to despise? I'm no Liberal, nor a conservative. I do believe in God, and the bible, and that's my prerogative. I think you are a sad human being to say the least. Your supposed to love all your fellow human beings, even those that use you! I know I read that somewhere.

constitution................How am I prejudiced? Tell me, because I believe in the law? Who says the law is wrong? You, well I say the law is not wrong. And I say lock anyone up for at least 5 years, for smoking that garbage. Also you want to call me stupid, well I take that as a compliment coming from a dope smoking hippie coward like you.

The Constitution says the law is wrong. If you want, I can explain how. But I doubt you would question anything your government does... so what's the point?

I didn't say you were stupid, I said, "If I am high, you're just stupid." You came to the conclusion yourself. I never said I was high, you did.

You seem to need a definition of "prejudice:" The preconceived formation of negative or hostile views toward a person or group of persons based on ignorance, stereotyping, or other filter of bigotry. You can use google to define words you don't know...

I'm not a hippie, either. I just believe in the Constitution. I believe in liberty. I believe in justice... not empty "tough on crime" political gimmicks and backwards moralizing that make us the most incarcerated country in the WORLD (we have 25% of the world's incarcerated, and only 5% of the population... how's that for a free country?).

You believe in policies and law that are much more destructive than any drug ever has been period. You blindly believe whatever the government tells you... you follow whatever it dictates and, like a drone, condemn your fellow citizens whenever your government instructs you to do so and for whatever reason they give you. You are a useful, and dangerous, idiot. Like so many Nazis once were.

You have not given any good reasons for this law to be in place, yet you feel so strongly that it is correct... to the point where you insult and curse people you don't even know... wishing their lives to be utterly ruined. What does that say about you?

Who says the law is wrong? You, well I say the law is not wrong.

Actually the majority of Americans favor marijuana legalization.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/06/majority-of-americans-wan_n_198196.html

And I say lock anyone up for at least 5 years, for smoking that garbage.

You sound so ridiculous. Why should someone be locked up for 5 years for a victimless crime? We don't even have enough room to fit the real criminals in jail. The waste of tax money and burden that would put on society is downright crazy. Saying things like that makes you sound very stupid, unreasonable, and cowardly.

"The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world. It also has the highest total documented prison population in the world. The People's Republic of China ranks second, while having four times the population, thus having only about 18% of the US incarceration rate. The United States has 5% of the world's population and 23.6% of the world's prison population"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

LanaD.......Let me get this straight. Are you calling me a coward? If you are lets meet up in person and see if you have the guts to say that to my face. but some how I don't thinkso, because all you liberals are cowards who do nothing but hide behind your computer. And you quote the Huffington post and wikipeda, what a joke, it just shows what a liberal slut you really are.

Lowrider,,, I'll get in your face & call you a coward --- WTF are you doing threatening a woman ?

Get in my face boy. And see what happens.

Lowrider,,, I would make you cry & wet your pants

See post #18.5

Lets meet Lowrider, seriously. I will bring my husband who I have been with since I was 15 to ensure my safety. Some liberal slut I am. Go ahead send me a message. Lets do this

Are you calling me a coward?

Yes I am. You are so threatened by what your neighbors are doing in the privacy of their own homes that you would attempt to have their lives ruined. You must be pretty scared of someone for wanting them locked up for 5 years for enjoying a plant safer than alcohol. You use names like "slut" and "dope smoking hippie" to attack those who support things you do not while ignoring all facts to what that person actually is. But demonizing them makes your fear seem valid.

And you quote the Huffington post and wikipeda, what a joke,

I haven't seen you quote jack yet. All your stuff seems to be quoted from your some mad mans ramblings. I got plenty more non Huffington post or wiki links to quote from, trust me.

Jim, thanks for sticking up for me =) I am not surprised he went off the handle there. Notice the blatant disregard for the facts. Especially the prison population ones. Nothing would surprise me from this guy

Just be careful. He sounds a bit psychotic to me.

Hey Kevin, you liberal coward, you talk tough on that side of the computer, you like to try and say those things to my face. You are a sorry excuse for a human being, but see I understand that, because you have an excuse, being the liberal pussy that you are.

Lowrider,,,, Only a coward sits behind a screen & calls others cowards

Look pussy boy, You are the coward, I have had this discussion with you before, I called you out and you were to chicken @!$%# to answer me. Like I told you before, anytime anyplace you LIBERAL COWARD. Then we will see how brave you really are.

You sit behind your screen call women & others here cowards ??? As I told you, I would make you cry & wet your pants

Well bring it on big mouth, lets see if I wet my pants, as I recall you were a little army boy that talked tough. I even asked you to compare DD-214's and I got no response. I don't think you want to fck with this Marine, but if you are dumb enough to try, lets get this on. Lets set a time and place. Talk is cheap Jim, so I am calling you out.

Wrong again Lowmouth --- USN,,, You disgrace your DD-214, I enjoy fighting marines & never backed down yet

Obviously you chose not to mention I did challenge your DD-214, it can't compare to mine & you just run your mouth as usual

I'm just north of Sacramento, get on the vine when you get into town as I've challenged you to do before

In the meantime Lowmouth,, Stop making internet threats

Jim....... You lying scum bag, you never challenged me, I never heard from you, and tell me squid how do I disgrace my DD-214, for standing up to pussy's like you. BTW, I am in Daytona Beach, I won't get out to the west coast for a while. You want to meet half way???? Because I sure would like to see you cry and back down..

I've challenged you more than once,, At least you have learned how to spell DD-214 since the 1st time I did

No Jim.... You are wrong, because if you would have challenged me, I would have responded to you. I think I remember, about 5 months ago, you were in a piss fight with an army guy. I got in on it in the tail end. Tell me if I am wrong, because one thing is, I have never backed down from a challenge or a fight. Even though I consider you the enemy, thanks for the spelling compliment.

looks like each of you backed down. now smoke a j and go to bed.

"It's better than having a sex club, a strip joint or a bar full of drunks open down the street"

You want a government take over to shut them down , like you do to something that benifits people that God & our founding fathers grew ???

It's not a "government take over" for Federal police agencies to enforce Federal laws...

Not to worry,,,, It takes away the profit from the cartels ---- ID's are checked at the door & breaking & entering is against the law

Besides, they can grow their own

They can grow their own & make a good 4H project,,,, And learn something about advanced botany & agriculture.

It's a win-win situation

Jim is right. The cafes would be regulated and taxed taking money AWAY from the cartels. And yes most would grow their own.

I wouldn't worry about breaking and entering into a pot place anymore than I would about liquor stores. I bet the pot places would have good security too and you don't have to worry about pot smokers needing their fix like you do alcoholics since marijuana is not physically addicting.

Probably less than the amount of people who go driving after drinking all day. Doing a substance all day is not something the majority of pot smokers or alcohol consumers do. While I do not agree with mixing marijuana with driving it does impair your driving ability less than alcohol.

Kratzlo,

Not all of us, who want marijuana decriminalized, smoke the stuff. I am tired of paying for keeping it illegal. Read some of the estimates for the costs associated with enforcing marijuana laws. It has never worked. Pot is bigger than ever, and our laws haven't curtailed its use at all. Give up this idiotic "war on drugs" attitude.

A lot of people are getting rich with their pot producing. The rub here is some also deal in very dangerous substances and other unsavory endeavors. Medical marijuana has been very beneficial and proved to be affective over the years. The illegal use and growing of marijuana is called prohibition. Like the days of the rumrunners, until it is legalized there will be fatalities and unacceptable events behind its distribution. Most recreational marijuana users are not abusing the substance. However, there have been so many people jailed for growing or distribution of the product and that makes for losses not gains. It is not a criminal issue and never should have been.

If they are they should be stopped and arrested for driving under the influence. Now thats money well worth the time. Slap them with a bunch of fines. There are plenty of other alternatives to medical issues, smoking dope should never be one of them. Its wrong, PERIOD.........................

Tell me the alternatives to managing chronic pain. You are a real toughy, hspirit.

If they are they should be stopped and arrested for driving under the influence. Now thats money well worth the time. Slap them with a bunch of fines.

Agreed

There are plenty of other alternatives to medical issues, smoking dope should never be one of them.

Vaporzing can be another option. So is ingestion. Just read some of the side effects of those "other alternatives". Death and addiction are common

Oh, please, hspirit, if you abused a substance then you have a real problem, but not everyone has your problem. Yipes what's this Lucifer thing? Holy Moley, you turned "Born Again" didn't you? Who made you do that?

yes it is most definatley physically addicting.

It has been PROVEN marijuana is not physically addicting. Its less addicting than caffeine. I have quit many times for extended periods of time for various reasons and never experienced any ill effects. Try watching someone go without their legal prescription pain medicine for a few days and you will understand what physically addicting means.

Plus a BIG waste of life.

Whoever said anything about spending BIG parts of your life smoking pot? You can enjoy alcohol recreationaly and it won't take up a BIG part of your life.

Just one more way to DESTROY the U.S. and our children.

Its the prohibition laws who have hurt more people than the plant ever could. You really care about the kids then think about this...Drug dealers don't card!

God never gave us pot to be smoked,

Talked to him lately, eh?

which alters the mind,

So does wine, many legal pills (some are made just for that reason), cigarettes, caffeine...I could go on.