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Intelligence agencies intercepted communications between Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who is accused of shooting to death 13 people at Fort Hood, Tex., and a radical cleric in Yemen.
Jesus Christ....whose side are our intelligence agencies on? They should all be fired.
#1 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 6:40 PM ESTGee, i think some things should be obvious. Such as when a person has become infatuated with a violent, hate mungering Islamic teacher who preaches the "akbar akbar dirka kill America" message. we also should have been paying more attention to the mosques were the 9/11 pricks worshiped. Hmmmm. I'm not saying we should wire tap every church, mosque, ect. but seriously lets WAKE UP PEOPLE.
Have you seen a tanscript or heard these intercepted communications?Do you have any clue as to what was said during these communications? If you do please share them with us. Otherwise your remarks could very well be off base.
Second Largest Terrorist attack in American History and our Government is trying to be politically correct. Wow that makes me feel so safe!!
I find it incredibly sad that Obama has not made time to go to Ft. Hood to give his condolences.
inwhitewolf - given the recent track record of our so called intelligence agencies I kind of doubt it.
For one, he yelled god is great while he shot his comrades. not typical of similar situations. and otherwise you google and help yourself. it seems everybody knows this guy is nutcase. like anyone who would commit suicide to destroy innocent life all for the purpose of serving a god.
hate mungering Islamic teacher who preaches
there are no hate mungering Islamic teachers. They are only hate mungering and not Islamic
guy is nutcase.
Surely yes but not because of his religion- rather inspite of his religion.
"esus Christ....whose side are our intelligence agencies on? They should all be fired. "
No, no, no. They can't be fired. The right has already said they are wonderful and perfect and can't be criticized.
Boons that is a stupid thing to say..what we want is that all things need to be done behind close doors and not late the traitors in the Liberal media and our dumazz liberal politicians to give aid and comfort to our enemies!!! Capiche u mamby pamby shasaying tree hugging granola eating abortion living POS lib!!!!
TAW57: what do you expect, the Intelligence Agencies don't have the Russians anymore so to justify the jobs so they are going after the Muslim's. Surprise they are doing about as good of job their as they did against the Russians. So why are you surprised, Just like 9-11 and you are right they should be fired and get someone doing the job that is not so political correct. and there fore the rest of us better quit blaming Bush or Obama and start working as one to close our borders and up grade our Intelligence or they will bury us. They just laugh at us because we have or heads buried in the sand.
An oxymoron is a combination of two contradictory words, placed side by side such as military intellegence or government intellegence.
Boons that is a stupid thing to say..what we want is that all things need to be done behind close doors and not late the traitors in the Liberal media and our dumazz liberal politicians to give aid and comfort to our enemies!!! Capiche u mamby pamby shasaying tree hugging granola eating abortion living POS lib!!!!
And Boons' comment was stupid?????
Bottome Line...
"They missed the warning signs!"
Why? Because we have become a bunch of idiots that cannot make judgements to protect ourselves! That goes all the way down to the President swatting a fly and getting crap from PETA!
This country has been ready for a huge slap in the face for a long time! Problem is... we were slapped and slammed on 9/11 but we just acted like a bunch of drunks and kept on with our stupid ways. Then this Cretan comes along and kills and wounds some of our finest. But that will not be enough either. Why? Because we're brainwashed! Because it might not be correct politically. Because we don't have the stomach to push past the edge. Because we are incapable and America is no longer defined by absolutes. Because we would rather switch than fight....
This guy should face the firing squad... ON TV!
My condolences to the families of each hero that was killed or wounded.
I find it incredibly sad that Obama has not made time to go to Ft. Hood to give his condolences.
Obama's there tomorrow for the Memorial Service. Which is appropriate.
Unless you're someone who can't be pleased by anything he does. While I don't agree with some of his views, some days I just wish he'd grab a whiner and say "ok, come set my schedule for a day based on what YOU think my priorities are. No? Then stfu."
I find it incredibly sad that Obama has not made time to go to Ft. Hood to give his condolences.
President Obama and his wife are expected to attend the ceremony and the president will speak to a crowd that will include the survivors of the attack and the families of the victims. The ceremony will include prayers, a roll call of the dead and a 21-gun salute.
It helps if you read the article.
When will everyone get it right? In the military the symbolic firing of arms is 3 volleys, not a 21 gun salute. Traditionally, the volleys are from 7 gun firing squads but that doesn't make it a 21 gun salute and you could use as few as 3 guns in the firing squad. In order to have a 21 gun salute you have to have 21 separate reports not 21 guns fired all at once.
May the families of the vicitms find peace. This incident is not likely the last as long as PC prevents us from asking hard questions.
Well one more ball dropped by the Bush Administration on this guy. We'll find out lots more about what the Bush Administration did and didn't do in the future. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
OK BLAME BUSH why not blame this terrorist that did the crime it wasn't bush there shooting now was it
At first I thought the shooter was just a nut, but with the new info - it seems he had contact with the Virginia Imam who is now recruiting in Yemen.
He did have mental problems for years - dropped from medical school because he fainted at child birth and went in pyschology.
But, I still think it started because he could not find an Islamic wife. So, he opted for his 40 virgins.........
mike,
just like it wasn't obama doing the shooting yet plenty of people are blaming him.
i didn't blame obama lets put the blame where it really lies the scumbag that did it
i know mike, but there are plenty of people here who are blaming obama.
We are blaming Obama for his mealy-mouthed reaction to all of this and his inability to understand how REAL Americans are upset by it.
Something really stinks about this. How was this alwraki guy, or whatever his name is, be so lost under the radar that only now, 8 years after the fact does our FBI note that the hijackers were at this yahoo's mosque? Maybe they felt they had better intel leaving him in place and monitoring all his communication.
How long will we try to be politically correct and allow Muslims to randomly commit murder and mayhem? I'm not suggesting internment camps, but good grief, people (FBI), let's use our brains, eh?
If this would have been a mosque getting bombed and 13 dead muslims Obama would have been there Thursday nite whining.
If Bush would have run this guy out of the Army the news media would have cried about an innocent muslim.
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I’m glad he is alive so we can make him talk. They should force this scum to eat nothing but ham sandwiches after that it’s time to send this Muslim dog to meet his dirty, filthy Allah and watch him dance at the end of a rope.
Quote: "If this would have been a mosque getting bombed and 13 dead muslims Obama would have been ..."
And if this had been a mosque getting bombed and 13 dead Muslims in other than the U.S., would it have been more than a footnote in the "international" media ?
My condolences to the families of innocent lives lost, wherever they are lost.
President Obama is not to personally to blame for this incident. But... his views and ideals are. He is the personfication of the ideals that have made the United States weak. But... the majority put him into office... due to ambivilance and bitterness. That is our weakness.
I can't think that he will change his views. He is indoctrinated to the adams apple and set in his ways.
Reagan espoused peace through strength... Obama espouses peace through tolerance. That is his weakness.
I find it incredibly sad that Obama has not made time to go to Ft. Hood to give his condolences.
Bush and his family went to see the families.
Wong...
These kind of happenings in the United States are rare... and that's the way that we want to keep it. In many other countries.... especially Muslim countries or Israel... extremist Muslims do this as a daily occurrence!
That innocents are killed is a travesty... but that is what you get when crazies run rampant all over town.
Thank God we're making a big deal out of it here! And we should continue to do so. Many of these other countries are numb to what is an everyday episode... and they don't do anything to stop it themselves. Extreme tolerance from the general population through the opiate of their masses.
Not including in the current shooting. I believe there is an account indicating that Fort Hood averages 10 suicides per month. If someone has found different, please let me know. This is very high.
I am certain that this is data of recent 12 months... or I hope that is the case.
I doubt they "missed" the warning signs in as much as they could not pursue any action lest they be dubbed as fear-mongering, bigoted, racial profilers. The media has been allowed into the back pocket when they should be in the back yard and no one in intelligence can operate as they should without fear of becoming tomorrow's front page headline.
The entire government should be fired.
Has anyone actually stood back and looked at what is happening here?
For the record and for all you "politically correct" pansies, Fort Hood was a terrorist attack by a Muslim extremist. Wake the hell up people.
My God our government is run by sick, liberals who defend anyone except the caucasian male or female. If you're black and commit a crime, you play victim and Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton will come running. Bring up that you're pretty sure your ancestors were slaves, and there you go...defense. If you're a Muslim, Mexican, Asian...join our military, sign up for food stamps, we'll pay for YOU.
MSN has kicked me off before, and I am sure they will again. Shame on MSN for putting this on anything but the top of your page. You sick basturds at MSN!!! NO RESPECT FOR THE LIVES OF 13 AND A TOTAL OF 53.
Cheez!! Who would have suspected? And this guy was counciling other soldiers!! But then again, this country lets in all races, religions and all the low life in the world. When are we going to learn?Becoming a citizen, only requires one is alive, then they rape the country! And oh, just one more thing, where are the rquirements in the services, be only they are willing to join up. This guy must have fooled many people,becoming a Major, and advising other crackpots. I wonder who coumciled him!!
MIKE, the FBI and CIA had him on their list and stopped tracking him, that was last year, I think Bush was in the white house and was telling everyone they were protecting us.
Now it's Pres. Obama's turn to get bashed for not being alert enough to stave off this Terrorist massacre. Doesn't he get direct reports from all the Intelligence Agencies?.
Isn't there any communication between the President and ongoing investigations into these cells in America?
They knew about this Islamic jerk, and were watching him. I hope it isn't a story of complacency with Obama..
Apparently, it was Bush's fault for knowing about the upcoming Terrorists attack on the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, on 9/ll?. Lefts blame him for that. Silly.
President Obama has taken the stand that America will no longer call it the "War on Terror", nor do we call the Islamic/Muslim exterminators Terrorists. They are nice people. "Do not jump to conclusions".
Yes, Americans are disgruntled with Pres. Obama, because he made the Health Care Bill more important than paying attention to Foreign Affairs terror on our soil, coming to this country. It happened, just like VP Biden predicted.
He's soft on all Radical Extremists, including The Terrorist groups, which should be hung out to dry.
What will be the next Terrorist Act here in America?
Thank goodness the Military will take care of this Terrorist Hasan, and anyone connected to this "plot" on Ft. Hood.
okay let's try this again---a major in the army has no family to support-no wife -kids parents etc. lives in a 325.00 a month apartment and paid 6 months in cash then gave away his meager possesions--a bed-a microwave-a card table and folding chairs--HELLO---where was the money going?????????????????? it should not take a genius to think maybe he was funneling funds to groups dedicated to causing us harm!!!!!!!!! DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
imwhitewolf
Just the fact that he contacted another nutso muslim should have been enough!
An oxymoron is a combination of two contradictory words, placed side by side such as military intellegence or government intellegence.
Or tight slacks or Microsoft Works.
Could the guy have been more obvious??? He's parading around Ft. Hood in Middle Eastern attire (not a problem), ranting about his disdain for the service and his upcoming deployment (big problem), and the list goes on!!! He wasn't trying to be covert or secretive, ALL the signs were there. Gesh how STUPID is our Intelligence workers.
Why send our troops overseas when our Intelligence department can't even find our enemies at our front door? The Guy was practically doing back flips and ANYTHING else possible to get attention to his behavior.
Not including in the current shooting. I believe there is an account indicating that Fort Hood averages 10 suicides per month. If someone has found different, please let me know. This is very high.
I am certain that this is data of recent 12 months... or I hope that is the case.
The entire US Army reported 128 suicides last year, for your statistic to be correct ALL of them would have to be at Ft. Hood.
Hey Glen...Try reading the article instead of letting crap fall out of that hole you call a mouth...It said last year and EARLY this year...So if you intend on blaming Bush you can also blame your savior Obama...But that you would never do because, gee, he's you hero...
TAW57:
The Intelligence Agencies stringent investigation rules for operation, have been "curtailed" by President Obama.
He made it clear to all Agency Agents with new rules., They cannot do their full jobs as in the past. This was spoken about early in his Administration.
Agents morale, their way of using Intelligence, and how far they can go has been altered.
There have been questions from other Intelligence Sources that this is going to make all our Intelligence Agents ineffective. They are very upset about it, some will not go into this Agency anymore. They can be sued or put up for trial. They are being "watched", by the Obama Adminstration.
Remember, the Leon Panetta flap? Panetta, from the Clinton Administraton is the Head of the CIA. He profusely disagreed with President Obama's new rules for the Agency. They cannot be as hard on the Terrorists or Gitmo detainees as before. There was a point where Panetta was going to quit. Somehow he stayed, but no one sees him anymore. Panetta has the highest level, heading the CIA. He and Obama locked heads together over the "new" CIA agency. It is not what it used to be.
There is where we are weak, in our US Top Secret Security Agencies. It will eventually trickle down, to the point, I hope, we are not wide open for major Terrorist Attacks from abroad. It is possible they are getting our Intelligence, because of the new relaxed rules.
We must have the most expert intelligence knowledge when it comes to Iran, with communicating with and to Israel, watching the Terrorist groups; Hamas, Hezbollah (Iran), AlQaeda, The Taliban, other splinter groups who goal is destroy the Western World. .
Correction: Hezbollah is a terrorist group from Lebanon.
RobK didn't it say last year when he had contacted another muslim at the same mosque. Get some glasses dude.
RobK if you had read a little further it says he became an extremist in 2007 and 2008 and the authorities were told about him and that was ignored. The military has ZERO tolerance. Something should have been done then.
So you're telling me that Obama never knew?? So if that's the case maybe Bush was never told?? So nothing was done THEN...Nor was it done NOW....
I know...It's different this time...No really....Dude....
Teufelhunden: thanks and sorry to know that the data of 12 suicides per month was correct...
"But federal authorities dropped an inquiry into the matter after deciding that the messages warranted no further action, governmenr officials said on Monday." yes that is right, federal authorities had to focus their resources on the "radical right wing" "gun loving" anti-government" citizens of the United States that don't agree with the way things are being run in washington dc. washington dc who is the enemy? the anti-American that kills US soldiers and civilians in a terrorist attack or the citizens that don't believe in big brother big government.
#2 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 6:53 PM ESTYou did read the part where it mentions LAST year, right?
You did read the part where it mentions THIS year, right? This happened on Obama's watch. Are you paying any attention? This spin won't work. Try again.
Yes, I did made their bed... point is both admins were in charge during this whole SNAFU.
made,
using your logic 9-11 happened on bush's watch. 9-11 was bush's fault?
Point is, is that Obama still could have taken action, and didn't. He's CIC, not Bush. That's the point.
another point, using your logic, bush could have taken action against the worst terrorist attack this country ever suffered, yet didn't.
independent,
Seems the lefties do (blame Bush for 9/11). Let's be realistic, this is far from 9/11. Really, the only way 9/11 could have been avoided was to ground every plane in the US and prevent any planes from entering US air space. Indefinitely! Does that sound feasible? We did not have intell on the names of the hijackers or there whereabouts. Unlike this individual, where his words and actions seemed to become more and more extreme. But don't get me wrong, I do understand where you coming from. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left and how they will try to spin things. Yes, some on the right does, also.
"some" on the right does, also?
since this was handled by FBI and Military Intelligence do you honestly believe they both informed Obama of this directly and Obama made the decision to let this go?
made,
first off, i do not lean to the left. you used faulty logic. you blame obama for this because it "happened under his watch." i simply threw your logic right back in your face. 9-11 happened under bush's watch. 9-11 was bush's fault.
i seriously doubt if obama was made aware of this guy. you really think our intel services tell the pres about every person they are watching? give me a f'ing break. i'm not crazy about obama but people like you do nothing but put him down and place blame for every wrong squarely on his shoulders.
Made their bed, Monterey Park, CA
Really, the only way 9/11 could have been avoided was to ground every plane in the US and prevent any planes from entering US air space. Indefinitely!
BS You obviously don't know much about the events of 9/11.
My God people can you hear yourself's, The Muslims and all our other enemies just love you people, why not get together and put a stop to this crap, but I don't thing so because we have become to self centered.
Just a note to Democratic Woman, have you ever lived in an Islamic Nation you will get up fix breakfast work like a dog in the fields all day so your man can play back gaman (SP) it's a card game in front of the coffee house all day then go home and fix dinner clean the house. then be used as a whxxe all night. If you like this life go to Turkey for a few year's (that is where I was) and it is one of the better places for woman in the Islamic world. Have fun with your life people why don't you read the history of Norway 1940 and all the people who helped Hitler take over, and find that most of them were killed very shortly, no body trust's a TRAITOR. I will look forward to your answer.
Here is the real point, democratic woman has undoubtedly blamed Bush for the 9/11 attacks since he was POTUS at the time. She didn't allow him the dodge that it "both admins were in charge during this whole SNAFU" or that it occured during a transition. Nevermind the FACT that virtually all the planning and warnings of the 9/11 attacks came to Clinton and not Bush. Talk about a hypocrite.
None of you know anything about what happened in 9/11, that is readily apparent from your postings. I would bet you are a bunch of naive, ill-travelled and undereducated shut-ins who get their world view from lefty blogs. One thing is true, the Ft. Hood murders were infinately easier to stop than 9/11 and they happened further into the administration in office at the time. Those are the facts that no amount of liberal hypocritical BS can ever change. They will try though since hypocrisy is the primary trait of the liberal whacko..
chris,
bush took office january 20th, 2001. administration transitions do not take until the following september to complete.
you ought to get your facts straight before you start spouting off.
Made their bed, Monterey Park, CA wrote:
"...You did read the part where it mentions THIS year, right? This happened on Obama's watch...."
Well, 9/11 happen IN the Bush Adminstration but he always blame it on Clinton, so what goes around come around. This one is Bush's fault,
now are even...
Independant by choice, I'd like to teach you a little phrase that would probably help you immensely. Here goes:
"You can delegate authority but you can't delegate responsibility". Yes, it's Obama's fault. He wanted the job. The paper get's tossed on his doorstep.
ok levi, then you must be saying 9-11 is bush's fault. got it.
THIS is what terrorist live for... watching people yell at each other about whose fault it is when something goes down. I could give a crap about "fault". I only care about solution. I don't give a rip who take the credit as long as it gets done.
independentbychoice - I know your questioning logic. So, based on your logic, 911 was actually Clinton's fault. So, if 911 never happened, we wouldn't be talking about Fort Hood now, would we?
b dune:
Absolutely, Obama was informed.
President Obama is the Commander in Chief for ALL the Armed Forces of the United States.
If you look back at my posts from about a year ago, I got tired of the arguing about who's fault 9-11 was, whether it was more congress or Bush administration's fault on economy, etc.
I finally just said if it was on Bush's watch, blame it on him, but I also said "don't come back after Obama's in office and continue blaming everything on Bush!" However, that's exactly what hypocritical left is doing. Apparently that is only way they can make excuses for Barack's shortcomings, or the fact he is not experienced enough to make correct decisions under pressure.
Obama needs to be a man and take responsibility. He is commander in chief. EVERYTHING that happens on his watch he is responsible for.
Harry Truman said "The Buck stops here!" meaning at the president's desk. Obama has changed that famous statement to "The buck gets passed here."
Classic example of what is wrong in America. Pursuing him was "avoided" because they didnt want to risk the attacks from the bleeding heart, lefty losers, Al Sharpton, Acorn, and every other piece of @!$%# group out there that cries foul, everytime somebody does anything that they dont feel is "politically correct".
Ask any high ranking officer and they will tell you guys like this advance in the military all day long, even though they shouldnt, for this same crap.
Well to hell with all you losers. Soldiers DIED because of this crap, and it needs to end. this guy was a terrorist, end of story, and if you say he was peaceful, go to hell.
Sorry, had to vent. ;)
#3 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:03 PM ESTYes, I can only imagine what would have happened if they discharged or detained the guy for "just" talking a few times with a radical Muslim cleric. Nobody wants to be accused of acting stupidly.
I remember my brother was stationed outside Stuttgart, Germany and we wanted him to meet us in Berlin for a family re-union. He was a member of a Nike Hercules Army unit and they wouldn't give him clearance because of his knowledge. They wouldn't let him in the city or in the East. Once he asked a relative by mail for some family history. The return letter was handed to him by Army Security Agency (ASA) who told him if he wanted to write the person to let them know. Acting stupidly wasn't in their training manuel. 1969.
Better be a little stupid than have to tell 13 familys their loved ones died because I was afraid of feeling stupid, just wonder how they feel now or maybe they just don't care I sure wish I had the answer to that.
Well said. Had he been activly investigated, he would have been the first to cry foul, harrassment because of religion, etc. I recently read a phrase which makes perfect sense "Fighting terrorism is like being a goalkeeper, people forget about 100's of brilliant saves, only remember the one that got by."
The only reason this guy wasn't kicked out of the military is because he is Muslim. If he had been a radical from any other religious background this would never had happened because the military or intelligence agencies would have taken care of him. I am so sick of all these idiots playing the political correctness game when it comes to Islam. The most gentle form of this religion says to kill non-Muslims, its in their holy book.
#4 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:06 PM ESTThe most gentle form of this religion says to kill non-Muslims, its in their holy book.
Not true
Only if you are attacked and if as a part of defence you happen to kill then it is allowed- otherwise not in an aggressive manner just for the sake of it.
combatmedicphil - So, you've actually read the Qu'ran and you know what it says?! There is absolutely NOTHING in the Qu'ran that gives permission for violence according to the devout Muslims that are at our university. They are some of the most peace-loving people I have ever met. Just as there are radical Christians that believe they should kill doctors that perform abortions, there are radical Muslims that are convinced that killing non-Muslims is god's will. There is radical fundamentalism in every religion.
Have you ever read the Old Testament?...all it talks about is killing people!!
combatmedic:
You are either ignorant and running off at the mouth, or you are a liar.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Read the Qur'an before you tell everyone what is in it.
Well that would be nice if that were practiced. As it is any non-Muslims outside the Westernized world, and in many instances in the Westernized world (9/11, Ft. Hood, all over France) are being killed because a huge number of Muslims hate anyone who isn't Muslim. Trust me, I was almost killed while giving out aid to a bunch of children and asking them (through a translator) what kinds of things they needed help with. So why don't you go let all these crazy ass Muslims know they aren't supposed to kill others because of religion and see how long you stay alive.
Yes, the Old Testament does talk about nothing but killing, that's why its just as full of @!$%# as the Qu'ran. Crazy religious fanatics have made the world suffer for thousands of years. If Allah is real why is he letting his followers murder people all over the world? And if God is real why isn't he stopping it? How about you get off your knees and do the world some good, that's what I did and life's been all the better for it.
HMM, and combatmedic, your statements concerning the Old Testament are untrue. Period. How about Creation in Genesis? How about the Book of Psalms? How about the book of Proverbs? How about Isaiah? How about Song of Solomon? Judges? Exodus? Leviticus? Deuteronomy?
God isn't stopping it because, well, obviously, why should He? What do you deserve from Him lately? What have you done for Him lately? That's actually the human point of view. Blaming God for not stopping the bad things in the world is really missing the point, and pointing at others when you should be pointing at yourself. God's point of view is that He made man with free will. He will not violate that. However, He does remain sovereign, and has, does and will act in history, but only in accordance with His will. This life is a spit in the river....a "moment in the morning of my day". God, who is not bound by time, knows this. However you view your puny life on this earth, God sees the BIG picture. It is indeed a war, but the weapons are not guns and bullets and bombs, and the battlefield is not some city or some field.
Try to figure out what really matters, and avoid making false statements. It doesn't really help.
Here's some info on the quran/Koran. As the author states, violence is advocated in many verses and,
Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. This proclivity toward violence - and Muhammad's own martial legacy - has left a trail of blood and tears across world history.
Levi777 - WOW...are you confused!! First of all - no one is blaming God here at all. God clearly has nothing to do with this. Second - have you ever read the ENTIRE old testament not just selected verses? I have read it several times and there are references to killing those that are against the Israelites and/or God's will all throughout the text.
The great Liar in Chief JERK said,"Let's not jump to conclusions". Of course, he being a muslim himself. Now, let's see the spin on this one from the JERK! Wake up America, we are at war right here in the states, cities and workplace. Be prepared to take action when the time comes. It will be sooner than you think.
#5 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:18 PM ESTprove hes a muslim or stfu.
Have you read his book?
Lets see....
Photograph of him wearing turban and kaftan...CHECK
Attended muslim school.......CHECK
Bows down to high figure muslims........CHECK
Associates with Louis farakan (muslim)....CHECK
Walks like a duck, talks like a duck..............
you call that proof?
i'll use your logic on you.
bush was photographed holding hands with a saudi royal. bush must be gay.
He might have been....lol
Azrancher, Let's see
1. Lack a brain to think for yourself...check
2. Obviously listens to Rush Limbaugh...check
3. Knows the conservative talking points (lies) and can list them...check
4. is an idiot...check
well...let's see...walks like a duck, talks like a duck....boy
these points you make mean nothing. I was educated at a Church of Christ school. I am Methodist. I teach at a Methodist College and have students who are not Methodist...heck, they aren't even all Christian. Also, someone showing respect for OTHER people's religions doe not make him/her a part of that religion. I know quite a few Jewish people I really admire and am not a Jew; I have some students who are aetheist and am not an aetheist. So, your argument does not hold water. You need to go back and take Freshman composition over. You, friend, are doing what most novice writers do with an argument...you have several fallacies that can not be justified or taken seriously. So, please go back to the right-winged radio and find something else to accuse Obama of. You may actually find something that isn't a mirage.
I dont understand why people constantly bring up Obama unless them dont have a life. if you dont have evidence of the president being a muslim, then shut the hell up.
Even if he was a muslim so what - as long as as he beleives in the true religion which empasizes peace, honesty, justice, fair play, to good and stay away from evil be God concious, do not kill untill attacked by a killer, forgive others, charity. I do not see anything wron in this - why do you
Syd.
"muslim is as muslim does".
Personally, I dont care WHAT religion he is. We EXPECT muslims to kill us. We EXPECT our armed forces and security agencies to protect us.
Whomever was in charge of this investigation of Hasan, is JUST as guilty as Hasan himself.
The ONLY way the Obama administration can even ATTEMPT to get off this hook is to blame a low-level military man - and you WILL see a scapegoat out of this, and our armed forces will continue to have muslims in it, unfettered.
"We have met the enemy - and the enemy is...us".
a scapegoat such as,,,,,,scooter libby?
Currently Muslim fanatics have perpetrated Terrorist acts against this nation..yes I got a problem with them..will be profiling and I will report anything no matter how stupid it seems to the police!!!
so have non-muslims.
timothy mcveigh, terry nichols, the unibomber, eric rudolph.
how about devout christians who hassle abortion clinic workers and patrons in the name of god.
how about so called christians who murder doctors who perform abortions, all in the name of god.
what would you call these people?
Criminals that's all... except the people who try to convince women who will be counseled to have an abortion by planned parenthood (who should not be federally funded) to not have one. That way the woman won't be an accomplice to murder!!!
Criminals that's all...
Wow. What a dearth of logic. So if they're "not Muslim", they're criminals. But if they're "Muslim", they're terrorists. Got it.
*rolls eyes*
Why do you even waste time typing crap like that and assume anyone with an IQ over idiot-level will even take you seriously?
independentbychoice - They are all terrorists using religion as a cover for their terrorist acts, just like international terrorists that use the Muslim religion as cover for their actions.
Google Obama and muslim. There's a youtube video where he refers to himself as a muslim.
Cool, somebody else suggesting youtube as a source for accurate information.
independent..........murder is wrong no matter whether it is an anti-abortionist or an abortion doctor doing it.
Terry Nichols quite probably was duped by McVeigh into helping him. While I don't approve of McVeigh's actions he was responding to a terrorist act committed by our government namely the murder of innocents at Waco.
Hasseling abortion workers is no worse than encouraging abortions instead of simply presenting it as an option.
Until all American muslims adamently oppose terrorism publicly both verbly and in writing they should be suspect not persecuted like christians in muslim lands but suspect.
I'm continually amazed that our government, and most media, are afraid to address the real problem and call it what it is.....radical Islam. It's a problem that is not going to go away and, if anything, is only going to become much worse.
To address it does not mean one is being racist, bigoted, or anti-anything. To address it means to recognize what it wants to accomplish.....the complete destruction of the Western way of life and the United States of America. Our country must be prudent. And yes, there is a give and take of certain freedoms, liberties and civil rights to keep our country free of these kinds of attacks....those are give and takes which I am willing to accept and ones we must accept as a Nation if we are going to survive in the long haul.
We can no longer worry about "feelings" and "perceptions". We must worry about protecting the Greatest Nation on Earth. If our current government will not accept this responsibility, then it will up to the citizens to elect those that will in 2010 and 2012.
#6 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:23 PM ESTGood post......
I agree totally with you - somewhere we must decide to stand for our country and forget about being politically correct on every whim. I can't figure why we would accept someone of his background into the military and provide him an education - that is the one and only one reason he joined the Army. Let the Islam community put him through medical school. This is ridiculous.
Well said Racer X!!! If it acts like a duck...
Racer X
Bravo, you are common scenically correct which is what we need our government and leaders to be now.
Thanks for speaking up. You can post comments for the Dept of the Army or whitehouse.gov. We have to speak up or this will continue to be swept under the rug. This should be called what it really is-- terrorism.
I also agree Racer...a quote from an earlier article states...
Danquah assumed the military's chain of command knew about Hasan's doubts, which had been known for more than a year to classmates in a graduate military medical program. His fellow students complained to the faculty about Hasan's "anti-American propaganda," but said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim student kept officers from filing a formal written complaint.
Horrible to think that "a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim" prevented a formal complaint that may have shed some further light on the seriousness of this Officer's conduct when the FBI was investigating his correspondence with the radical Iman. This country really has to get a grip on the misplaced scrutiny we put on anyone who has a concern over the conduct of someone who belongs to certain minority groups...preventing people from speaking up all too often for fear of the bigot label. It will continue to bring harm to us if this doesn't change. I really think this monster has been planning this for a long time...had to commit his cowardly, despicable act at Fort Hood with unarmed soldiers lined up as easy targets...once deployed and carrying arms, he couldn't carry out his murderous carnage.
.....radical Islam
No such thing as radical Islam. There are either radical - not restricted to any religion or there are tue Islamists, christians, jews - who as long as they practice the religion in original form from God are not in any way radicals.
norsam...
well, if a religious leader or follower of a religion is using that religion or twisting the teachings of that religion to support and condone radical acts such as mass murder of unarmed, vulnerable human beings...in the name of God...what do you call that?
if a religious leader or follower of a religion is using that religion or twisting the teachings of that religion to support and condone radical acts such as mass murder of unarmed
Mass Murderer
"Mass Murderer"
Mass Murderer with RADICAL RELIGIOUS MOTIVE...defining it as an act of terrorism
Norsam, give it a break...Yes there is such a thing as radical Islam. Followers of a religion are never perfect. If they were, then they would not be the follower but they would be God himself.
Islam is not the only religion with this problem, but it is the one that we are speaking about at this time, in this post. Those that profess to be muslims and then kill others in the name of their religion are therefore radical muslims. Those who try to deny it for some reason only make themselves look foolish, overly defensive, and to be quite honest pretty suspicious themselves.
If a person does not follow a religion as prescribed in its original form but listens to a human who intrprets a twisted form to him then that is the promlem of person not religion.
Norsam.....No radical muslims ?? You may never have seen any, but I was in Baghdad in 06 and 07. They were blowing each other up all OVER the place.
Granted.....there are less now........
Norsam,
If a person does not follow a religion as prescribed in its original form but listens to a human who intrprets a twisted form to him then that is the promlem of person not religion.
I can respect what you are saying, and understand where you are coming from. I think the problem with this thinking is the RADICAL Islamic religious leaders such as the radical leader in this article, Iman Anwar al Awlaki, that Maj. Hasan was communicating with...and public statements such as his that promote this mass murder of innocents as true Islamic teaching. People consider his followers to have "Radical Islamic" beliefs. He either IS an Islamic Iman...or he ISN'T a religious leader of Islam. American Muslim Religious leaders need to condemn all statements such as his...and strongly state that his interpretation of Islam is, in fact, NOT ISLAM...and is NEVER an acceptable interpretation of the Islamic Koran or the teachings of Islam.
KJR
My point is that just because somone puts a lable of muslim, jew or christian with there religios affliation but does not follow the true teachings of the religion but rather there own egos in practical life, does not automatically make them a muslim or a jew or christian and does not make others who may be following the true teachings of the religion to be responsible for the bad acts of that person. So blaming all because of one or few peoples bad deeds is just plain unfair.
Good post X... The penchant for avoiding the truth so as to not appear less than PC seems to be what has got us into this mess now they want to investigate soldiers with mental issues but of course not just the muslim ones.
Well OK fine but may I suggest that it is with the Muslim ones we start. This has been part of an effort from day one to play this down as to what this really was which is of course a terrorist attack by the forces and influence of radical Islam period. Instead we are trying to make it some kind of mental health issue!
As I have stated earlier I hope that those wounded or killed receive a Purple Heart medal and those that performed heroically that day receive the appropriate combat medals of valor for there actions. God bless them all.
I hope that all will include my ending in there posts on this subject in regards to the proper recognition of there valor everywhere they post something on this subject!
David Ayer...Well said. Thank you.
Racer ..................I agree with you except on giving up certain liberties and freedoms. Once given up we will not get them back. The government only understands "you give it up and we take more from you"
KJR.................I seriously doubt more than a baby's handfull of muslim leaders will emphaticly condem this and all other terrorist actions by the muslim radicals.
Prove to me that a religion that encourages the persecution of Christions and other religions including murdering them is not a religion of violence. And yes this does happen quite frequently in muslim controled countries.
couldn't have said it better. Now is the time to stand up for America
I would have thought that any questions the military had due to this mans extremist beliefs would have gained him a discharge.
#7 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:24 PM ESTJenny-
can't do it today...too many activist groups crying bloody murder at every chance....
But they had an out. He was trying to get out and even hired a lawyer, so the activist groups had nothing to do with it. The government did not want to release him.
Verno...do you know the source of that reported statement? " He was trying to get out and even hired a lawyer, so the activist groups had nothing to do with it. The government did not want to release him."
Verno is an America hating lib who is his own source...If the military didn't want to release him it was because they spent 500K on his education...they probably wanted to find an excuse to demote him and get him to dig ditches like the low life scumbag isalamo nazi terrorist POS he is.
Verno,
I was only asking because I do not think we have heard any official statement of that (tried to get out of military service...hired an attorney...offered to pay back government funded education). I think that was reportedly said by his family members, but I have not seen that it has been confirmed by any official source. I believe I read that his brother is a lawyer...
the feds need to track some of you guys,eyes on you..
#8 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:32 PM ESTWE'RE not the ones advocating killing fellow citizens or contacting terrorists or saying suicide bombings are right so that's a really ignorant, stupid comment. The problem is that the feds eyes ARE on the wrong people and that is why this crap happens.
to be fair, there are several muslims who watched this horrific moment and felt the same outrage as any other American. but, it does seem there is the political cloak extremist muslims wear to protect themselves from any prosecution. on the other hand, i'm sure there are several baptist preachers who told their congregation that obama was the devil.
#9 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:33 PM ESTagreed..that is where I also agree with Racer above. We need to take a long hard look at this religion and figure out ways to weed out the extremists...As the military will tell you it is incredibly difficult because they hide so well.
This guy is a classic example.
The clear difference is that Christianity DOES NOT encourage members to KILL.
to be fair, there are several muslims who watched this horrific moment and felt the same outrage as any other American
You are right here .
Everybody dropped the ball on this guy Hasan. They knew there was something "fishy" going on and they refused to do anything about it.
Hasan was in touch with anti-American/pro-Jihadist people and NOTHING was done.
Try carrying 4 ounces of shampoo onto an airline flight and watch what happens...but carry on anti-American conversations with a Muslim Imam who hates America and the whole thing gets dropped.
What in hell is going on? Take this guy Hasan out back and shoot him. He's guilty. No doubt. Send video of his execution to his Imam buddy.
#10 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:34 PM ESTCompletely agree.... and they promoted him to Major during all of this, to boot!
Has there been one example where the Muslim community/mosques have ferreted out these bad extremists seeds by themselves ?
These so called Muslim America Patriots (oxymoron?)are quick to join the masses issuing statements of condemnation after the fact .. but the last time I checked these terrorists are .. well, Muslim !
Do they police themselves? Are there messages, rewards within their communities and mosques to show outward anti-terrorist support ?
I haven't seen one.
Why don't they join the fight ?
My God, there is a war on
I agree!
Cut this POS's head off just like his ilk did to our troops in Iraq.
Intelligence agencies, ya got a few AMERICANS out here wondering about our capabilities. Probabiliy some others in other countries interested in the way things are going also.... ya think ??
#11 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:37 PM ESTGo to the other story they were running this morning and you'll see all kinds of liberals either defending this guy as a "nut" or defending this administration's failure to do something about this guy out of "political correctness".
One of his own classmates says that the Army was more concerned about political correctness then doing something about this Muslim radical.
And of course, they blame it on Bush, as usual, even though they had information THIS YEAR and did nothing. Even when he was trying to contact Al Queda!! Why? Because of being afraid of "offending" his religion, or being afraid of having an "equal opportunity" lawsuit.
That's what this country has come to. We can't even weed out the terrorists anymore because there's an ACLU lawyer out there that will sue for his right to be a terrorist and kill American soldiers.
I'm sure there are just a whole line of liberal lawyers lined up right now, just waiting to defend this guy and his "religous rights".
After all, who did he kill anyway, just a bunch of conservative military people. What right do they have to live when they are nothing but a bunch of "murderers" (Murtha), "terrorizing families in the middle of the night" (Kerry)?
#12 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:37 PM ESTGo to the story itself and you'll find it says that this guy was investigated a year and a half ago, a little before this administration but don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
Roger-
No, the Liberal Lawyers are all at Nazi Pelosi's getting their kickbacks....
then doing something about this Muslim radical.
Don't add the word muslim- thats an insult to 1.7 billion other - the great majority shuns such an act of violence.
norsam, you can't be serious! Mr. Muslim! 13 people were murdered by a radical Muslim and YOU dare to tell US not to call it what it is?!?!?!? Because it insults Muslims?!?!?!?!? So you feel insulted!!!! How should we feel about being murdered by that Muslim?!?!?!? That is far beyond insult right here!!!
norsam, you can't be serious! Mr. Muslim! 13 people were murdered by a radical Muslim and YOU dare to tell US not to call it what it is?!?!?!?
Legislative, PLAIN and SIMPLE
because from my point of view and majority of other muslims I know, he does not qualified to be called a muslim - although he may just put a lable besides his name which is ease for many like him and also in christians, jews and others.
Roger...Were all of the soliders killed conservatives?
Big shocking news. How many out there are surprised. This guy is a suicidal terrorist, just like the Dr in London . Yet we are sitting here afraid of what the ACLU might say or that we might "rush to judgement. " Why is congress afraid to take a strong stand. Throw them all out
#13 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:39 PM ESTUS Intelligence is an oxymoron. For years, the CIA and FBI have "monitored" terrorist cells in the US, knowing there are over 200 of them. They keep monitoring them to try to get the "big fish." Who cares-it doesn't matter who the big guys are behind it when we know full well that the operatives here are DANGEROUS CRIMINALS who hate Americans and wish only to do us harm. If we really get down to the nitty-gritty, the government is now responsible for 9-11 AND Ft. Hood, in that they were fully aware of the Anti-American, radical, violent mindset of the perpetrators and did absolutely nothing to stop attacks on our own citizens. Yes, Hasan is a citizen but the MOMENT someone says their loyalties lie with islam over the Constitution and advocates suicide bombing, I'd say that's ample evidence to try them with treason and execute their hind ends.
It has been obvious for at least 8 years now that we must go proactive, instead of reactive, when it comes to radical islam and terrorism.
#14 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:41 PM ESTYes, Hasan is a citizen but the MOMENT someone says their loyalties lie with islam over the Constitution and advocates suicide bombing, I'd say that's ample evidence to try them with treason and execute their hind ends
Absurd statement, since Islam does not advocate suicide bombing and the loylties are with the truth not falsehood as he beleived in.
Norsam u sound like yoda....the current terrorists are MUSLIM...get it!!!!!
Bullhockey, norsam. So you're saying thousands of palestinians are not islamic? iraqi insurgents are not islamic? The thousands of muslims all over the world who cheered when the twin towers fell are not islamic?
you sound like lost soul - your comments are like coming out under the influnce of something.
Norsam,
You sound rational and logical, how can you deny the "suicide bombing" is not condoned by Islam. Islam is quite clear to condone whatever measures to convert or kill the infidels who do not agree with Islam.
The overwhelming Muslim membership supposably abhors this radical extremism but the basic cleansing fundamental exists as a mandate in the religion.
If you agree the extremism is wrong .. stand up an say so and offer a solution or else you are part of the "passive extremism" exhibited today.
"Passive Extremism" meaning .. the Muslim community does not proactively seek out or police their own to expose terrorist cells or activity, nor posting information rewards or suscribe to a media blitz to denounce Muslim terrorists.
Again, if you are not an ally you are the enemy. period.
Lets see; both Bush and Clinton had warnings of attacks on USA and USA interest, and did notthing. Hmmmm, pattern here?
#15 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:42 PM ESTIn transition, the Clinton Administration briefed the Bush people on their intelligence and strongly emphasized an imminent threat of attack. Bush essentially ignored the warnings because he needed his Pearl Harbor in order to sucker an unsuspecting public into backing his long held desire to invade Iraq.
It is extremely difficult to oust, discipline or investigate any member of any minority. Our form of government protects the minorities..perhaps on occasion, overly much?
I have had as guests in my home, Muslims.... Iraqi, Iranian, Pakistani etc. I am far less likely to renew those invitations in future. Why? A rabid redneck is easy to identify and avoid. An educated multilingual Muslim extremest is not. I am just unable to understand how extremists can cling to a version of Islam which requires they kill unbelievers! When stressed, I have an ale or three. When extremest are stressed...they kill! The un-bordered tribalism! The ignorance! When not killing unbelievers, you go after each other! What a waste of minds, lives, futures!
#16 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:42 PM ESTI am just unable to understand how extremists can cling to a version of Islam which requires they kill unbelievers
Another dumb made up false assertion.
FYI, Islam does not require to kill unbeleivers.
I have little interest in debating with you..We could quote the book and the hadiths until next week, but I maintain extremest Muslims kill to get into their version of heaven. This why I am delighted to be an unbeliever...I won't have to deal with the likes of Hasan! Or any other extremist! Have a nice evening!
until next week
?
hadiths
lots of man made heresey - don't bring that up . I have heard some of the false stroies copied by guys from elsewhere a lot.
It's not islam killing innocent people, it's freak muslim extremists that are killing innocent people. That is the reality.
Norsam,
Stand up and say " I am against the radical Islamic extremists"
Can you say that ?
Also, why do they kill innocent people ? Can you answer that ?
Is it because their interpretation of the Koran tells them it is their duty to kill unbelievers ?
Please educate me .. I am confused! I always hear the two extremes ..
1: the Koran does not advocate violence against non-believers .. or
2: the Koran advocates the destruction of all infidels and are rewarded for doing so
Last, please qualify your position wrt to the Koran. I get the impression from you the Koran does not contain any passages that condon harm against infidels.
OK...I'll say it, F U C K the United States Government. How do you like that? Let's see how long it takes the FBI to come and have a talk with me. Of course I expect this comment to be "collapsed by the community" or better yet, the old newsvine crew to shut me down. Because that, my friends, is what you can expect from the good 'ol US of A. If you think for one minute this country is not in serious trouble, you are brain dead. God help us all !!
#17 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:42 PM ESTOkay. Let's see how you lefties can spin off the fact that this administration had intell on this guy and chose to ignore it. Sound familiar? You see, the same 'ol, same 'ol. But more broke. Let the spin begin.
#18 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:43 PM ESTWell, we lefties see how you conveniently forget the fact that this prick first became known to the intelligence agencies last year, during the Bush administration.
LMAO-
The first Lefty troll to blame Bush......
Since you are here...How do you feel about the troops Obama is deploying???
...the crime was commited under the Obama watch...it is a moot point to assign blame...we must focus on responsibility...the government's responsibility for the security of our nation...
...the current Obama strategy for the war on terror must be evaluated with the obvious breech in security of the Ft. Hood terrorist attack...by a US Army officer...what the intelligence community refers to as the threat of "homegrown" terrorism...
But THEN...THIS year he stood in front of a class and advocated suicide bombing and THIS year he posted stuff on the internet that Americans should be killed.
It doesn't matter which president is in office at the time, what matters is that our intelligence agencies are giving terrorists a pass to annihilate us-why is that?
taw57,
Aren't you the same person who blames Bush for 9/11 when the intell was gathered during the Clinton administration? Hmmm. Yes, Liberal Ave. does run in circles.
Taw 57
The fact that both administrations knew and both have done nothing is the point to make. It is time to end political correctness and replace this view point with common sense. We must demand this of our leaders NOW!!!! Contact whitehouse.gov and let them know you expect change so we can all be safer. Also contact the Department of the Army and let them know you expect decisive action NOW concerning this incident. This is an act of terrorism!!!!
madveteran,
You are correct. That is the point.
You can't have it both ways, you're making my point! When I blame Bush for 9/11 the righties point to Clinton, yet when you point to Obama and I point out that Bush had the first intel, you scream just the same. So are you now accepting that Bush was at fault for 9/11 even though Clinton had the intelligence to attack Bin Laden earlier, or conversely that Bush must be at fault for the Ft. Hood attack because his administration had the first intel about this prick? At no point did I defend the Obama administration, as a matter of fact, my first post, clearly asks whose side our intelligence agencies are on, and they are being managed by the party I align myself with. Trust me, I am as outraged by this as you are and we need to hold people accountable, regardless of what party they belong to.
Out w/Pelosi - I'm not blaming Bush, just pointing out that he had the first intelligence on Hassan, so we need to figure out who knew what and when and then assign blame which hopefully results in terminations of employment of the incompetents. As far as Afghanistan - We either need to cut bait or quit screwing around. If Obama is serious about winning this I am all for the troops, if not we should pull the troops out and just use airpower as much as possible to take out targets of opportunity using predators and tomahawks.
madveteran has it completely correct.
This administration is just as guilty at the man who pulled the trigger and killed and injured the soldiers. POLITICAL CORRECTNESS HAS TO BE SHELVED!
#19 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:44 PM ESTso what you are saying is that the bush administration is just as guilty as the insurgents who killed thousands in Iraq, right?
syd......since we are associating terrorist acts with presidents, you forgot 9/11, which happened on Bush Jr's watch. The fault in both recent terrorist acts against America lies with intellegence, they had enough to take action, but did not.........some heads need to roll for ignoring an obvious threat...........By the way.....it was not just insurgents who killed thousands in Iraq.....We should not have been there in the first place, the enemy was in Afganistan, if you remember
Yet another example as to prove how very very broken our government has become.
During the G-20 I was literally pushed off of my front porch and tear gassed further on down the road.(O.C. gas was only used downtown...tear gas everywhere else)*nice job AP for covering up the truth* (Friendship Ave. in Pittsburgh to be specific)....I'm a pacifist...WTF.
Our government who is supposed to be protecting us ignored the obvious signs of a mentally disturbed MAJOR..by the way. Not to mention the lunatic rapist/murderers they let roam free just because they can't make the space in prison...and who's stupid idea was it to keep pot heads in jail while the crazies run free anyways????!!!!!!.. they should be shot! I have lost all faith on our leaders, not just for this, but health care, the economy...and all the stupid useless wars we'll never win.
P.S.off the subject but.... No one has yet to mention that in Pittsburgh a permit was denied for the people to assemble in a peaceful manner at Point State Park...this was a direct violation of the U.S. Constition... Apparently our government is above the law and beyond any acts of treason.
ok... had to rant
#20 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:44 PM ESTWell, that worked well, didn't it??
Let's put them in charge of healthcare, since they've done such a bang up job with Medicare..
#21 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:45 PM ESTI say we get this guy a little more healthy, then WATERBOARD his ass!!!!
By the way...Our military is becoming weaker everyday under this administration, and that folks, is scary.
#22 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:46 PM ESTsorry for going off the subject...but i had a really bad day
#23 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:48 PM ESTYou HAD a bad day, others last week don't have ANY more days... I'm sure most of us would not change places... I'll take a bad day anyday...
No need to apologize... you made some very good points :)
true i will agree... they had a worse day than me... I cannot deny that, usa born
true i will agree... they had a worse day than me... I cannot deny that, usa born
sorry for going off the subject...but i had a really bad day
#24 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:49 PM ESTI didn't want to go here but I'm going to anyway. George Bush had problems but this wouldn't of happened under his watch. If your an America citizen or not and you have even one contact with a terrorist or terrorist organization. You should be deported immediately. For this to happen and be in our military is totally unacceptable by this administration what does it take to be taken into custody and questioned? That's why if we can't tell good Muslim's from radical Muslim's they all need to be out of our military, period.
#25 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:54 PM ESTThe investigation into this guy started LAST year under Bush's watch.... why do people insist on not reading the whole story???
Secondly... who's to say either Bush or Obama were ever even notified of this guy?
Charles-
I am not sure that it wouldnt have happened, but you can be damn sure the response would have been different.
It probably would have still happened as our (lack of) intelligence community has a long-standing policy regarding terrorists in our country: watch them, monitor them, watch them...and that's IT. Maybe we really SHOULD disband the CIA and institute the CCSA-Central Common Sense Agency.
And, Out w/Pelosi: You're 100% right about the response. The way our current pres has reacted to this tragedy is a tragedy in itself and a punch to the gut to every soldier and every American citizen who supports them.
This is a punch to the gut for every soldier in that building that did not act like a soldier. 300 people and one guy with a gun, awful conditions but a rush to him would have stopped it. Such a shame that a small girl had to take care of 300 soldiers. And since when did the MP's not protect them during such meetings?????
I am not sure that it wouldnt have happened, but you can be damn sure the response would have been different.
What would George W. have done, invade an uninvolved country?
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