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Failure And Tragedy

Moments after the shooting began at Fort Hood, the media began analyzing the thin and often contradictory data that streamed into the newsrooms: there were two or perhaps even three assailants; one was cornered near the post exchange or commissary; one was shot dead. None of this was true, but it is difficult to avoid the mention of inaccurate and incomplete stories, since we are all captives of the viral information and misinformation that spreads rapidly in the Petri dish of modern communications.

Not long after the story of the Fort Hood massacre broke, it was revealed that there was really only one murderer, and his name was Hasan. You could hear the sharp intake of breath and stammering that accompanied the revelation. For some time after the disclosure, one could almost feel the discomfort of anchors and commentators, as they pointedly ignored both the fact and the implication that Hasan was most likely a Muslim.

There are a few aspects of the tragedy that deserve some brief analysis because they figure so heavily in the speculation that will continue until the story runs dry, and many of the people commenting on them do not have the experience to comment cogently.

Magic Bullets There were over 40 casualties, at least some---if not many---suffering multiple gunshot wounds. And it was reported by Fort Hood officials that Major Hasan fired about 100 rounds before he was felled by four shots from a policewoman employed by the installation. It is difficult to envision how all 100 rounds could have come from Hasan's weapon, because, even if the pistol's magazines were filled to their 20-round capacities, he would still have had to reload four times, all the while giving those who were not incapacitated the time to overpower him. The numbers do not make sense, and it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that at least some of the wounds were from friendly fire. Having been in many firefights myself, I can attest to the great likelihood of unintentional fratricide, and one should always be suspicious, especially before investigations are completed, when officials aver information with absolute certainty.

An Armed Camp Many commentators refer to Fort Hood as an armed camp, registering astonishment that someone did not shoot Hasan immediately. Fort Hood is home to a corps headquarters and its support elements, two divisions of soldiers, and numerous other tenant organizations, and more than 100,000 people call it their home. It is bristling with troops. But it is not bristling with weapons. Except for the military police and contract security on patrol or on guard, all weapons are under lock and key until they are issued---one at a time and by serial number---to troops for training and range firing. All personally-owned firearms must be registered with the office of the Provost Marshal, and Hasan, who evidently lived off post, concealed the weapons and ammunition when he entered Fort Hood on that day.

Harassment Another story that circulated unchecked was that Hasan was being harassed because of his Muslim faith, and the impression intended was that it was a regular occurance. There is some evidence that a soldier removed an Arabic-language sticker from Hasan's personally-owned vehicle, which was located off-post, and that the soldier was subsequently disciplined, but the kind of harassment alleged by his family sounds specious to someone who has spent much time in the Army. The armed forces contain more than 1.7 million people, people of all faiths---and quite a few atheists, too---and Muslims have fought and died side-by-side with Christians, Jews, Buddhists, animists, Hindus and others. In any large organization, there will be harassment, but the services are particularly attuned to that probability and do an excellent job of preventing and punishing it. In any case, one should be mindful of this: Majors don't get harassed.

PTSD There has been plenty of talk in which Hasan and Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder have been linked, as if PTSD were the cause of the tragedy. But in his case, to paraphrase Gertrude Stein, there was no "T." He had never been deployed and as a medical doctor was trained for years in the messy intricacies of the human machine. Indeed, in his first semester of medical school, he had to participate in the complete dissection and disassembly of a human body and later was educated to become familiar with, and inured to, the diseases and insults that the human body suffers. Hasan himself said that he just did not want to go overseas, and suggesting that he had PTSD does a tremendous disservice to those brave Americans who have endured actual combat and as a result suffer its debilitations.

A Failure of Leadership That Hasan had problems is now evident to us, but it should have been abundantly clear to everyone with whom he had contact. The FBI was investigating that he was the author of troubling on-line postings that equated American battlefield valor with the actions of suicide bombers, but it had not interceded. Hasan was reported to be a loner with few acquaintances, let alone friends. There is evidence that, when he was assigned to Walter Reed Army Medical Center, very few patients were referred to him because of his manner and inadequate performance. Indeed, it appears that he was given at least two evaluations in which it was noted that he was professionally substandard. It is difficult to see how, given the low esteem in which he was held, he managed to become certified in his specialty and promoted to the rank of major.

The Army has policies that direct comrades and the chain-of-command to identify people like Hasan and remove them from the system. This process also failed. Some have suggested that political correctness had something to do with ignoring Hasan's inadequacies. Others have said that perhaps specialists with his purported skills are in such short supply that officials ignore a problem like Hasan. The former seems possible---we see it in life every day---but the latter makes less sense.

But whatever the reasons for Hasan's sliding under the radar, military and federal officials have a lot of explaining to do, and in the meantime they need to insure that they do not fail in their duty again.

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{"commentId":10569663,"authorDomain":"tom-carter"}

Well done, Jack. It's unfortunate that journalists, by and large, don't understand the points you made.

There are many issues here, but I think the key problem is political correctness. Even in the Army, people in positions of responsibility are reluctant to deal with certain people, especially Muslims, on the same basis as everyone else. Maybe they fear lawsuits or discrimination claims, but the effect is that ticking time bombs like Hasan are tolerated far longer than they should be.

Right now there are about 3,500 known Muslims in the military, and that number is probably higher because many people don't identify their religious affiliation. Those numbers will inevitably increase, and more of these incidents are going to happen if we don't get our act together.

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Reply#1 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 5:15 AM EST
{"commentId":10569709,"authorDomain":"RuthyJObservations"}

"Muslims shouldn't fight Muslims", is part of the belief system that led to this tragedy. This leads me to consider President Obama's reluctance to send the troops needed to fight in Afghanistan...

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#1.1 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 5:46 AM EST
{"commentId":10570123,"authorDomain":"tom-carter"}

Ruthy, the President isn't a Muslim, and I don't think he's motivated by any kind of reluctance to fight Muslims. He's legitimately struggling, far as I can tell, with a strategic decision that could become one of the most significant of his presidency, either for good or bad. He's been at it for too long now, but I can certainly understand why it's a hard decision.

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#1.2 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:34 AM EST
{"commentId":10580935,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

On 11-5-09 I wrote, "Perhaps the western presence via Bagram and other regional bases is an effort to forestall the further territorial expansion of a radicalized Islam. India does not want it and especially China fears it. I have gotten the sense that we are not being told the full story, but then again it would not be politically correct to publicly concede that your war is against a religion."

The 11-5-09 Nidal Hasan rampage at Fort Hood confirms my suspicion whether rightly or wrongly that the western campaigns in the greater Middle East are perceived as directed against the religion of Islam.

Out of an abundance of caution, should the Defense Department consider decommissioning Muslims for the time being?

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#1.3 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 4:53 PM EST
{"commentId":10598242,"authorDomain":"RuthyJObservations"}

Re: #1.2 - Tom Carter - "The President isn't a Muslim." Really? Didn't he say in his book that he would stand with his Muslim brothers? (Audacity of Hope)

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#1.4 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:03 PM EST
{"commentId":10598549,"authorDomain":"blue-31088"}

Yes, really. The President isn't Muslim.

BTW...last I checked, we currently have troops in both Iraq and AFG that are fighting. BHO is the CinC and hasn't withdrawn them...so, really...the comment about him being reluctant to send MORE troops to AFG because he is a "secret Muslim" is just plain silly in light of the fact that there are troops already there.

If you want to think the worst of the President, then I suggest you concentrate on him being out of his depth in dealing with the complexities of fighting in AFG.

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    #1.5 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:15 PM EST
    {"commentId":10598744,"authorDomain":"RuthyJObservations"}

    The President isn't a Muslim? I think he is. The troops that are serving in Afghanistan were sent before he became President. He said he would end the war. I hope he does find a way to do that, soon.

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    #1.6 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:22 PM EST
    {"commentId":10607064,"authorDomain":"tom-carter"}

    Ruthy, President Obama did not say that he would "stand with his Muslim brothers" in The Audacity of Hope. I read the book and found nothing like that. According to Snopes.com, that particular canard was in one of those circular e-mails that had a lot of distortion and misinformation in it.

    Read Dreams from My Father and The Audacity of Hope. Might change your perception of Obama, particularly on the Muslim issue.

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      #1.7 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:23 PM EST
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      {"commentId":10575428,"authorDomain":"shari-bat-mouton"}

      So let me get this straight. The Gov missed the guy in Arab dress, posting pro- suicide bombing messages on the interent, who subsequently shot and killed 13, and injured dozens more. Gee. What on earth ARE they wasting their time worring about? See IRONY in Websters.

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      Reply#2 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 12:56 PM EST
      {"commentId":10577472,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

      Today marks twenty years since the fall of the Berlin Wall. Col. Jack once asked me, Where are the Pope's armies? Hard power resides in sometimes unlikely places. Consider the role of Pope John Paul II in the collapse of the Soviet Empire.

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      Reply#3 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:26 PM EST
      {"commentId":10582504,"authorDomain":"matthew-babiarz"}

      Not to bring up old issues but I cannot fathom how Pope John Paul II didnt receive a Nobel Peace Prize for his role in the fall of the Soviets.

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      #3.1 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 6:03 PM EST
      {"commentId":10585346,"authorDomain":"amberneve"}

      Popes are vicegerents of Jesus Christ. As such, I suspect they refuse honors out of humility.

      When I was a youth, Pope John Paul II twice appeared to me in a dream and bade me join him, evidently for the purpose of extending universal Solidarity. I am not a Catholic; I am a Jew.

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      #3.2 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 8:47 PM EST
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      {"commentId":10578131,"authorDomain":"myriver"}

      These are excellent observations and points to bring up.

      Of particular interest is the magic bullets. Doesn't really make sense, now that you mention it. :)

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      Reply#4 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:58 PM EST
      {"commentId":10582558,"authorDomain":"matthew-babiarz"}

      The lowest circle of hell is reserved for traitors. Thats what Major Hasan has to look forward to. As for all the questions his situation raises, I suspect it was a combination of his minority status and the fact that he was in a highly specialize field that saved his career. Psych doctors are in extremely short supply, especially uniformed ones.

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      Reply#5 - Mon Nov 9, 2009 6:05 PM EST
      {"commentId":10597030,"authorDomain":"blue-31088"}

      These are excellent points, Col. Especially the "Failure of Leadership" point. This is the crux of the whole event, IMHO.

      Beyond the fact of this traitorous nut-job, who murdered the very soldiers who trusted him as an officer and doctor, is the fact that more than a few people have failed in thier duty.

      They can dress thier failure up with "I didn't want to appear intolerant" excuses. But what they really are saying is, "For whatever reason I couldn't be bothered to perform my duty when it became difficult or uncomfortable".

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        Reply#6 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:17 PM EST
        {"commentId":10599643,"authorDomain":"SWATMAN"}

        1. Has no one even wondered what SWAT teams were present and the part they played in this? They allowed a civilian cop to go in to a firefight FIRST? WIth no assessment of the number of shooters or the weaponry?????? DUH I DON'T THINK SO!!!

        2. Four shots to the chest from a 'trained' marksman and the gunman is alive?

        3. Two guns 'blazing', one being a 6-shot revolver and a lone gunman gets off 100 rounds in a room full of fully trained military personnel preparing to embark???

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          Reply#7 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:58 PM EST
          {"commentId":10600495,"authorDomain":"blue-31088"}

          Hmmmm...what's your point? That there is some sort of conspiracy?

          I understand that the woman LE officer who brought him down was part of the hired base security. With the deployment of a great deal of the MP, Provost and SP forces you will find them on most posts and bases picking up the daily security slack.

          Four shots to the chest, at close range, while under fire and being hit herself...not too shabby...especially as being under fire isn't a daily occurance for most LE officers.

          People have absorbed MUCH more than 4x 9mm shots and lived.

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            #7.1 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:30 PM EST
            {"commentId":10622080,"authorDomain":"hutchings2"}

            You forgot to mention a room full of UNARMED fully trained military personnel. Everyone seems to think that Soldiers carry weapons on base. It's the opposite of that. We aren't allowed to defend ourselves on base...Period.

            There were NO SWAT TEAMS PRESENT for quite a while. That's why the DA police woman and her partner entered the building. If they had waited for SWAT to show up many more UNARMED SOLDIERS would have been shot. Four shots to the chest from a handgun while being shot is no easy feat. Give her credit where credit is due.

            Two guns blazing? One of them was a high capacity .22 automatic. If you've ever actually had bullets coming at you, you know it doesn't matter what caliber it is. You try to avoid them...Period.

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              #7.2 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:58 PM EST
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              {"commentId":10602409,"authorDomain":"SWATMAN"}

              Many of us have lived through more than much more than 4x 9mm shots, but few shot at that close range would. On the other hand the FN 5-7 is a highly specialized weapon used by the law enforcement community, particularly SWAT, and the military for it's body armor piercing capabilities. NOT a standard issue weapon in either case, nor is the armor piercing ammo(non-fragmenting ammo). Non- tactical ammo is available but is hard to find as is an FN 5-7. It would appear odd that this man, under the objections he had for depolying and his career branch would be issued this kind of weaponry. Also being a semi-automatic weapon, even with maximum capacity magazines, he would have to aim and pull the trigger 30 separate times with each clip and reload 3x to get off 100 rounds. Then to hit 43 moving objects in a chaotic state would make him an more than an EXPERT marksman. Conspiracy??? Disinformation, more likely. The possible realities could send tidal waves through the entire military community worldwide.

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                Reply#8 - Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:39 PM EST
                {"commentId":10622198,"authorDomain":"hutchings2"}

                There you go with your SWAT talk again. He wasn't using issue weapons. He had them trapped in a confined space. Fish in a barrell? Doesn't take an expert marksman to hit that many in such a small area. SRP sites are PACKED at times. Standing room only. It only takes a couple seconds to reload any semi auto pistol, it's not like he was refilling the magazines. He is a terrorist and he had a plan. If it wasn't for the DA police woman it would have been much worse.

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                #8.1 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:04 PM EST
                {"commentId":10622378,"authorDomain":"hutchings2"}

                OK, the FN 5-7 USG is the civilian version. It is available with 20 round magazines. If he indeed had a 5-7, I'm certain it was the USG version. Again, neither version would ever be issued to a Doctor. He's just a terrorist nut case.

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                #8.2 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:11 PM EST
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                {"commentId":10611613,"authorDomain":"cookaerospace"}

                The lady cop did a darn good job under the circumstances. Too bad she was not firing .45 ACP as four hits to the torso with that should finish anybody beyond the ability of today's medical response units and E.R.'s to save.

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                Reply#9 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:05 AM EST
                {"commentId":10622229,"authorDomain":"keyboard-jockey1"}

                God Bless All Our Veterans, and God Bless America.

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                Reply#10 - Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:05 PM EST
                {"commentId":10635823,"authorDomain":"SWATMAN"}

                Todd- read the rules of engagement when there is an active shooter for the police everywhere (*except Virginia I believe). The are REQUIRED to maintain a 1000 ft perimeter and wait for experienced tactical assistance.

                What really surprises me is that the soldiers did not stomp him to death before anyone else got there!

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                  Reply#11 - Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:03 AM EST
                  {"commentId":10737102,"authorDomain":"stw007"}

                  So the reason given for the slaughter of his fellow soldiers is that he felt obligated to act as a Muslim, retaliating for the perceived war crimes committed by US soldiers against his... what? His people? He's a US citizen, we are his people. His country? Well, that can't be; he was raised, nurtured, educated here. Hmmm... could it be, he has more loyalty to his zealot form of Radical Islam than abiding to the oath of office he took? What a hypocrite and ultimately a coward. John Walker Lynn (there's a blast from the past) at least gave up everything to follow his path to Allah. Not this guy; from what i can see from the pictures, he hasn't missed a meal or had a day of real hardship, ever. And this is how we are repaid.

                  Anyone need a hand building the gallows? I have a hammer...

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                    Reply#12 - Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:47 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10943718,"authorDomain":"nitrogen1"}

                    The fight my friends is not necessarily that of religion, but only that of religion when it is interperted and corrupted by sick minds to support the evil doings of terrorism and hellish hate.

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                    Reply#13 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:43 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10943862,"authorDomain":"nitrogen1"}

                    Perhaps, Hasan was one sick doctor who fell ill to severe mental and emotional madness. What was missed were the symptomic indicators that only came to light after the fact.

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                      Reply#14 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:55 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10944032,"authorDomain":"myriver"}
                      What was missed were the symptomic indicators that only came to light after the fact.

                      I disagree. He made every reasonable effort to handle the issues that were creating problems, and did it the right way. The light bulbs started going off for those around him when they figured out that they had pushed him too far, and he was not going to bow down to their demands.

                      He wasn't -sick-. He was disgusted, frustrated, aggravated, angry, and without a reason to keep trying. That's not the mindset of a -sick- individual, but a desperate, abandoned, lost one who knows no way out, or has lost all reason to care.

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                      #14.1 - Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:08 PM EST
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