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Town: License needed for more than three cats

How much feline is too much feline in the town of Dudley, Mass.? If you have four of the furry four-legged friends without special dispensation, you've gone too far. The town just made it illegal to own more than three cats without getting a $50 residential kennel license.

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{"commentId":10471608,"authorDomain":"missalex01"}

The problem is people! Get your animals spade and neutered!!! Second, your kitty outdoors is getting on your neighbors nerves, so keep them indoors or in your yard and yes you need to keep an eye on kitty cause they jump fences, go figure. I have always had cats, but I feel that if your completely responsible, then posing fines is just wrong.

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  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 12:38 PM EST
{"commentId":10479445,"authorDomain":"cmyhtrod1"}

This real issue here is how many cats BEFORE we can TAX you. Its all about the money. These little rural towns dont give a darn about how many cats or dogs or horses you have, its how many you can before they TAX you.

Pick up your ohone bill or electric bill and you see line tax, useage tax, maintanence tax, blue shy tax, fresh air tax, night time tax......well thats a bit of an over exageration, but, its all about the tax money which is easy money to make, they dont have to do anything to get it!

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  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:29 PM EST
{"commentId":10479572,"authorDomain":"DanielCarrino"}

We're in the middle of a recession and now they want to make people pay more for pussy. What's the world coming to? Meow indeedl.

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  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:37 PM EST
{"commentId":10480665,"authorDomain":"l0ng-beach"}

He cat (Felis catus), also known as the domestic cat or housecat[5] to distinguish it from other felines and felids, is a small carnivorous mammal that is valued by humans for its companionship and its ability to hunt vermin and household pests. It has been associated with humans for at least 9,500 years[6] and is currently the most popular pet in the world.[7]

A skilled predator, the cat is known to hunt over 1,000 species for food. It can be trained to obey simple commands. Individual cats have also been known to learn on their own to manipulate simple mechanisms, such as doorknobs and toilet handles.[8] Cats use a variety of vocalizations and types of body language for communication, including meowing, purring, trilling, hissing, growling, squeaking, chirping, clicking, and grunting.[9] They are also bred and shown as registered pedigree pets. This hobby is known as cat fancy.

Until recently the cat was commonly believed to have been domesticated in ancient Egypt, where it was a cult animal.[10] However, in 2001, a domesticated cat that was buried 9,500 years ago was discovered in Cyprus[11], and a study in 2007 found that the lines of descent of all house cats probably run through as few as five self-domesticating African Wildcats (Felis silvestris lybica) circa 8000 BC, in the Near East. Now who can not love cats...only a true D!LDO . . .

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  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:28 PM EST
{"commentId":10482028,"authorDomain":"Mitt"}

Alex, I completely agree.

I never understood cat owners that let their cats roam free. They go out, pick out and purchase a cat, take it home, and then open the front door and throw it outside. Then, they go ballistic if Fluffy gets hit by a car or shot (using a BB gun) by a neighbor.

If you get a pet, it is your responsibility, not your neighbors'. Take care of your own cats and keep them inside. If you aren't willing to do this, don't get a cat.

Another thing, most neighborhoods require dog owners to clean up after their dogs. As a dog owner, I do not want to subject someone else to having to clean up after my dog. Yes, cats roam around and poop all over the place. I caught a cat pooping on my front porch and now keep a BB gun right next to the door in case it ever happens again (and for you animal rights freaks, relax. It is a low powered BB gun that only scares and doesn't even leave a mark- I know this because I tried it on myself before I even thought about using it on a neighbor's cat.)

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  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 7:40 PM EST
{"commentId":10482361,"authorDomain":"gregziglar"}

Can we also limit the number of kids people can have?

Frankly, as a single person who can't have kids, I'm getting sorta tired of paying higher and higher taxes,. most of which goes into public education!

Thanks!

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  • 5 votes
#1.5 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 7:57 PM EST
{"commentId":10482461,"authorDomain":"agss404"}

My town has a three cat maximum---good law, just wish it was enforced. Little "Fluffy" is a dirty disease carrier, and kill very large numbers of birds. If folks didn't keep them as pets, they would be hunted as vermin.

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  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 8:04 PM EST
{"commentId":10482612,"authorDomain":"Mitt"}

I agree, Greg.

If you want to have kids, you should have to support them, including education.

The parents should look at that as an investment- they will have educated kids that can take care of them when they are old, senile, and in adult diapers.

(Off topic) Another thing... women live longer than married men, and married men live longer than single men. They should all have to contribute to social security based on life expectance, since that corresponds with how long they will be drawing from it. Or, and I prefer this alternative, get rid of SS altogether.

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#1.7 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 8:13 PM EST
{"commentId":10482746,"authorDomain":"druss3605"}

Posing fines is wrong....if your being responsible. If you read the article though, this lady is not being responsible. Shes letting her 15 cats roam the neighberhood. I see no reason why my yard should be your cats litter box and people in this town feel the same way. Its proven that cats live a longer and healthier life if kept indoors. Also, there would be no feral cat problem if there wasnt un-neutred pet kittys running around. Again, if you read the article, its not about money.

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#1.8 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 8:22 PM EST
{"commentId":10484381,"authorDomain":"animallovernwriter"}

Three cats is enough. Fifteen cats is too many, plus it's expensive and stressful to care for all of them.

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#1.9 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:57 PM EST
{"commentId":10485906,"authorDomain":"oasiscat"}

And who are you, Auteur, to decide what's enough and what's not?  I have five cats--all indoors, ranging from 7 years to 19 years.  As long as I'm feeding and taking care of them, whose business is it how many I have?  Perhaps you'd like to monitor the library books I read too.

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    #1.10 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 11:23 PM EST
    {"commentId":10487301,"authorDomain":"hobomark"}

    This one 1 big reason BIG government does not work. It is 1 rule for all cases. And oh yes they can get into your wallet again. Enjoy the new TAX. More and more you will lose your freedom. Will the impose a TAX on Octomom to?

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    • 1 vote
    #1.11 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 1:41 AM EST
    {"commentId":10487790,"authorDomain":"animallovernwriter"}

    Do you also think animal horders should be left alone Moira, because that's what 15 cats is bordering on.

    In addition, if you've got fifteen cats and you are letting them roam free, peeing and crapping on other people's lawns and doing other things, expect that there will be issues and conflict.

    There's a reason why we have rules and limits, they're not just for the individual, they're also for everyone else around them.

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      #1.12 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 3:05 AM EST
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      {"commentId":10472345,"authorDomain":"moosehog"}

      I'm not a cat person....I have allergies...but even I think this is ridiculous...what happens when kitty has kittens??? Do you have to go out and get a license??? And we all know what's gonna happen now... people are gonna start abandoning their cats and they are gonna run around causing more problems then the cats that are taken care of and see a vet. I also think they shot themselves in the foot because when someone is looking for a house they are gonna think twice...heck three times....before buying a house in Dudley, Ma...I know I would and I'm not even a cat lover...I think this just goes to show that some people have no brains.

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      • 6 votes
      Reply#2 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 1:00 PM EST
      {"commentId":10479118,"authorDomain":"gypsy214"}

      Unless you're a breeder, there's no reason for your cats to have kittens. Get your cat spayed or neutered as soon as it's feasible, and kittens won't be a problem. Having said that - if a cat DID have kittens, I doubt that the owner would have to get the special license as long as homes were found for the kittens within a reasonable time.

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      • 2 votes
      #2.1 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:13 PM EST
      {"commentId":10480606,"authorDomain":"l0ng-beach"}

      Dudley Mass sounds like a real Sh!thole
      I have 5 cats and a 7345 sqft house
      Can anyone tell me I should have just 3
      F^ck those idiots, they can go pound sand...my cats rule.

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      • 5 votes
      #2.2 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:25 PM EST
      {"commentId":10482087,"authorDomain":"Mitt"}

      ...and I bet, Long Beach, that you live in that big house all by your lonely self.

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      • 3 votes
      #2.3 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 7:43 PM EST
      {"commentId":10484178,"authorDomain":"oom"}

      If the cats are kept indoors at all times, then I really don't care HOW many people have unless there's an odor or sanitation problem. Animals running loose in an urban setting is another story.

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      • 2 votes
      #2.4 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:46 PM EST
      {"commentId":10485228,"authorDomain":"scoobitts"}

      Mitt,

      You're buying into a stereotype. You're wrong. I have an endless array of male suitors, am sexy, beautiful, intelligent, under the age of 30, and have 4 cats. I like cats because they're independent and they don't need constant validation. In essence, their spirits are strong.

      You might need a slobbering companion, incessantly in need of your attention—but, I don't. So, take your anti-cat attitude and shove it up your corn hole. Meow, ass clown.

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      • 3 votes
      #2.5 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 10:44 PM EST
      {"commentId":10486625,"authorDomain":"Mitt"}

      scoobitts,

      I have nothing against cat owners, except the ones that let them roam around the neighborhood, poop in other people's yards, and crawl all over their cars. But cat owners that actually take responsibility for their own cats are fine with me.

      Oh, and I don't care how sexy you think you are or how many male suitors you have (which frankly doesn't mean much because guys will sleep with just about anyone, depending on how many beers they have had), it doesn't change the fact that you are a b1tch.

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      • 2 votes
      #2.6 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 12:21 AM EST
      {"commentId":10487315,"authorDomain":"hobomark"}

      L0NG Beach

      You are a criminal

      We will hang you at sunrise

      Get your noose ready

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        #2.7 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 1:43 AM EST
        {"commentId":10487325,"authorDomain":"hobomark"}

        L0NG Beach

        You are a criminal

        We will hang you at sunrise

        Get your noose ready

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        • 1 vote
        #2.8 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 1:44 AM EST
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        {"commentId":10473924,"authorDomain":"drcreosote"}

        So pay your 50 bucks and keep your cats. Everyone gets screwed by the municipalities where they live. Cat owners are no different. My town has a 4 cat limit. I've lived in multi-cat houses and 4 is really a good limit, especially for indoor cats, but 50 bucks isn't much to spend to be the "crazy cat lady." I agree with Alex. The people are the problem. Maybe pet owners should have to take a test and posess a license to have any kind of pets.

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        • 2 votes
        Reply#3 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 1:50 PM EST
        {"commentId":10482753,"authorDomain":"mamallr2000"}

        It's not the special license or the fee, it's the ability by the municipality to deny the license so they can effectively say you can't have more than the set amount of pets. I lived in a town that did this before, you were allowed two dogs and two dogs only, and if you wanted more you had to get a special license. Guess what, the only two people in the town who managed to get the special license were the mayor's brother and the person who bred dogs for training as police dogs.

        Imagine that.

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        • 3 votes
        #3.1 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 8:22 PM EST
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        {"commentId":10477799,"authorDomain":"first-sandra"}

        what will they think of next. is this not america? this is absolutely a stupid, stupid law. leave people along. pets are part of each family and as long as they are taken care of, them why not have as many as you want. before long, we won't be able to do anything on our own but abide by these stupid laws.

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        • 4 votes
        Reply#4 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 4:14 PM EST
        {"commentId":10478353,"authorDomain":"tishking"}
        "When will we need licenses to have more than three children?"

        EXACTLY. Hello Duggar family? Good god.

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        • 7 votes
        Reply#5 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 4:38 PM EST
        {"commentId":10479045,"authorDomain":"moosehog"}

        I'm not even touching that one with a ten foot pole...might end up immaculately conceiving knowing them.

        But there is a difference...the cats we won't have to support...the Duggar family???? I can't guarantee that my tax money won't have to go to help support them... So they should be spayed and neutered!

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        • 6 votes
        #5.1 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:09 PM EST
        {"commentId":10479610,"authorDomain":"miskaffon"}

        How could ANYONE see a connection between this lady and her cats and the Duggar family? Wow, what a moronic "connection". Good grief get a LIFE people!

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        • 2 votes
        #5.2 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:38 PM EST
        {"commentId":10479829,"authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}

        The Duggar family pays their own bills with their own money from their real estate/construction and car sales business. they got money to pay for 13, ...14,... 15,.... 16,... plus children. IT would be a MUCH different story if they were on welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, and free breakfast/lunch at school.

        Back to real subject. Most towns let cat owners get away with everything. You have to pay and register your dog. BUt someone's stinking cat can roam free, digging up people's flower beds, climbing up on the soft-tops of convertible cars/Jeeps...scratching paint jobs.....crapping in your lawn.

        Each animal housed inside the city limits costs....pick a price....register each animal and pay up. If you can't affort the registration fees....you shouldn't be wasting money on animals to begin with.

        And, yes, cities and counties are hard up for funds......soda pop tax anyone?

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        • 3 votes
        #5.3 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:48 PM EST
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        {"commentId":10478401,"authorDomain":"kpd"}

        Sandra - the thing is - it doesn't sound like she was taking care of them without disturbing her neighbors. Dr. C is right - $50 isn't all that much. So, what's her problem?

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        • 1 vote
        Reply#6 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 4:40 PM EST
        {"commentId":10478951,"authorDomain":"moosehog"}

        she was taking care of them, her place was pretty clean too (I live in Mass and this is all over our news.)

        But they should be allowed out as well...and someone complained that their child got hand foot and mouth disease from them... umm...my daughter got that about 15 years ago...and it wasn't from an animal...Dr. said it was passed on by person to person contact...It may have originated with an animal but it wasn't the animal that passed it on. And if they are gonna use that as an excuse maybe they should of had the animal tested instead of just accusing people.

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        • 5 votes
        #6.1 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:04 PM EST
        {"commentId":10479986,"authorDomain":"ineedmychange"}

        Sounds like  problem is somewhere in this community people who OWN cats are not getting them fixed .  So what happens when your  ONE cat or dog has a litter-??? Also, I agree that communities are hurting and finding every which way to get money out of people including those so called fees. And Im tired of people using the word "put to sleep" because it sounds so much more humane.   We are killing cats and dogs because many of you out there don't feel it is a priority to get your pets fixed.

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        • 1 vote
        #6.2 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:55 PM EST
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        {"commentId":10478500,"authorDomain":"crystaljblack"}

        I think we should all move to Dudley Mass. Apparently they have no crime or criminals if they have the time to penalize soneone who's only trying to provide for pets left uncared for by irresponsible owners. What a joke! Hurrah to you crazy cat lady, stick to your guns! I'd sell my house and move too. Sounds like a bunch of political b$%^%&% to me! We have ten cats by choice but we've taken in many homeless strays and will continue to do so as long as we can afford to give them proper care.

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        • 4 votes
        Reply#7 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 4:45 PM EST
        {"commentId":10478575,"authorDomain":"lisawashere"}

        People should have to get a license if they have more than 3 kids.

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        • 5 votes
        Reply#8 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 4:48 PM EST
        {"commentId":10479477,"authorDomain":"stonecold614"}

        Considering all the abused, neglected, and abandoned children, and considering the very real problem of overpopulation; people should have to get a license (and pass a test) to have ANY kids.

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        • 7 votes
        #8.1 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:31 PM EST
        {"commentId":10479675,"authorDomain":"homeschoolmom42-1"}

        You are a moron. I have 8 kids and we paid for them in all ways, not the government! Those of you who hate kids and think that large families are not sustainable are ignorant at best, and clueless.

        I had home births (by choice) which cost me next to nothing. We homeschooled, which means we didn't utilze the schools, saving our community money. We garden. can what we produce, and use "green" gardening practices. We also lived simply, and still do, and paid our way in every way for our kids (no gov't handouts), and I raised my own kids and did not shove them off on a "caregiver" to be raised.

        I live in America, you know, Land of the Free, which means I can have all the kids I want and it is absolutely NONE of your business or the gov't's business how many I have. People like you should move to China and live under the communism you'd like to impose on the rest of us!

        Cats and kids are NOT the same!

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        • 2 votes
        #8.2 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:41 PM EST
        {"commentId":10480028,"authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}

        Unfortunately, Lori.... here in America.....way too many people think that they have the right to reproduce and have the gov'ment....TAX PAYERS, which they themselves are not.....pay for everything.

        Yeah, you are the exception, not the rule. Good for you. I am a former teacher.....I wouldn't send my kids to public school either.

        We now live in a post-Octo-Mom world. People think about where their tax money goes and who gets to spend it. I sold many a *steamed for free* Lobster in a grocery store to people who were paying with food stamps.....while I went home to dinners of store-brand mac and cheese.

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        • 1 vote
        #8.3 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:56 PM EST
        {"commentId":10480469,"authorDomain":"SWMG"}

        So if someone has an unplanned pregnancy? What do we do then? Do we give them the test and if they fail it we either make them abort or take their child away as soon as it's born to live off the state in foster care?

        This isn't China or Japan people, we ARE allowed to have as many children as we like, whether or not it's a good choice, it is our choice and freedom as Americans.

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          #8.4 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:17 PM EST
          {"commentId":10480980,"authorDomain":"stonecold614"}

          Sorry, I can't agree. Lori, please note that even if I'm a moron, I never mentioned your kids (or anybody else's), being a drain on society. If your family is self-sufficient, that's great, but not everybody is that self-reliant. If you're able to take care of a large number of kids, more power to you, but I think you'll have to agree that not everybody is that responsible. As I said in my previous post, look at the large number of abused, neglected, and abandoned children. And the overpopulation issue is an ever-growing threat. If you took my statement personally, I can't help that.

          We're required to take a test and demonstrate proficiency for so many things (drive a car, carry a firearm, handle food, practice medicine, etc.). Why should having children be any different?

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          • 2 votes
          #8.5 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:43 PM EST
          {"commentId":10481280,"authorDomain":"labrowntwo"}

          Says you, baby mill! Thanks for the overpopulating of the human race!

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          • 3 votes
          #8.6 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:58 PM EST
          {"commentId":10481400,"authorDomain":"SWMG"}

          StoneCold - because anyone with a penis or a period can procreate. Kind of hard to stop people from having sex. Especially hormone driven teenagers.

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            #8.7 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 7:04 PM EST
            {"commentId":10481442,"authorDomain":"lisawashere"}

            My father is an example of someone who should have had to get a license to have kids. He owes $30,000 in child support. I had my last cat from the time she was a kitten to when she died last July at 15 years of age. I'm planning on getting another cat soon and to take care of it for the rest of its life, but I have to buy a pet license.

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            • 1 vote
            #8.8 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 7:07 PM EST
            {"commentId":10481843,"authorDomain":"patuchita"}

            Please know what you talking about before you post. Japan is a democratic country and has no limits on the amount of children you can have. Don't lump all Asian countries together.

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            • 2 votes
            #8.9 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 7:30 PM EST
            {"commentId":10481971,"authorDomain":"stonecold614"}

            Kind of hard to stop people from driving drunk, too. Doesn't mean we should stop trying.

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            • 2 votes
            #8.10 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 7:37 PM EST
            {"commentId":10484308,"authorDomain":"oom"}

            Um, yeah, that's all we need, the government controlling every facet of our existence including deciding who's politically correct enough to have kids! If you want to kiss your freedom goodbye and go live in China, bon voyage. We're still allegedly a free country. My kids were homeschooled and later went to private high schools, so how did they cost anyone anything? As for "the large number of abused kids" for the most part that is a total scam. I used to work for a CPS agency and I know they are removing kids for ridiculous reasons at very significant taxpayer expense. The vast majority of kids in foster care do NOT need to be there and would be far better off at home.

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            • 1 vote
            #8.11 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:54 PM EST
            {"commentId":10484727,"authorDomain":"oom"}

            [[My father is an example of someone who should have had to get a license to have kids.]]

            What would have happened to you if he had not gotten the license?

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            • 1 vote
            #8.12 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 10:17 PM EST
            {"commentId":10487356,"authorDomain":"SWMG"}

            But it is more popular in Japan to have fewer kids- more and more women are choose careers over family and it's causing a future population problem as there are more old than young.

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              #8.13 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 1:48 AM EST
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              {"commentId":10478601,"authorDomain":"JT123456"}

              This is ridiculous. This is supposed to be a democracy. I refuse to pay taxes or get a license for any of my animals. The government has overstepped their boundaries and I will take it all the way to the Supreme Court if they tell me I have to comply with this communism. My pets stay inside, because I actually take care of them, and I agree that 15 cats are too many, but that is her decision. I understand making her keep them inside, but no one will ever limit how many I can have. Come try and see what happens.

              {"commentId":10478601,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"JT123456"}
              • 3 votes
              Reply#9 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 4:49 PM EST
              {"commentId":10478980,"authorDomain":"jaguarsky"}

              I'm with ya!! I have several cats and dogs, all spayed and neutered. All stay indoors unless we take them out for a supervised romp, and we have a fenced yard to boot. I also care for, from my own funds, other neighborhood cats and dogs that are not as lucky. That includes vet bills, and food and shelter should their owners decide to take off for a while. Happens all the time.

              My animals are no one's business as long as they pose no threat to the community and I would spend my last penny to fight an idiotic law like this one. And BTW, how does anyone know how many pets one has without violating the 4th ammendment?

              {"commentId":10478980,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"jaguarsky"}
              • 4 votes
              #9.1 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:06 PM EST
              {"commentId":10479169,"authorDomain":"gypsy214"}
              And BTW, how does anyone know how many pets one has without violating the 4th ammendment?

              Because your neighbors will report you - that's how the Powers That Be usually learn about someone having an unusual number of cats.

              {"commentId":10479169,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"gypsy214"}
              • 1 vote
              #9.2 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:15 PM EST
              {"commentId":10479711,"authorDomain":"homeschoolmom42-1"}

              Last time I said my Pledge of Allegiance it said ..."And to the Republic for which it stands", it did NOT say and "to the democracy for which it stands".

              If we truly had a republic like the USA was set up with from our founding fathers then these things would not be allowed to happen!

              {"commentId":10479711,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"homeschoolmom42-1"}
              • 2 votes
              #9.3 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:43 PM EST
              {"commentId":10480126,"authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}

              democracy means majority rules. They don't have to be right or armed with the facts....what they say goes.

              the fascist gov'ment burned the Bill of Rights along time ago.

              Your only right.....is the right to remain silent.

              {"commentId":10480126,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}
              • 2 votes
              #9.4 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:00 PM EST
              {"commentId":10484385,"authorDomain":"oom"}

              How do your neighbors know how many cats you have inside your own home unless they spend all their copious spare time watching which cats jump up on your window sills? What utterly pathetic lives they must lead! I have actually left a "nice" neighborhood because of neighbors like that. I now live happily surrounded by college students in the middle of a big city. They may party a bit loudly into the wee hours on weekends, but at least they mind their own buisness!

              {"commentId":10484385,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"oom"}
              • 1 vote
              #9.5 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:57 PM EST
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              {"commentId":10478666,"authorDomain":"lucy-263358"}

              I think this is a wonderful idea. Cats roam freely, reproduce at will, and destroy shrubbery and small animals too. ALL Cats should be licensed--just like dogs. They usually get a free pass in other ways too----housing which mandates only small dogs will allow cats up the wazoo. It's not fair to people who own other animals.

              {"commentId":10478666,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"lucy-263358"}
              • 1 vote
              Reply#10 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 4:51 PM EST
              {"commentId":10478917,"authorDomain":"elizabethmsmith"}

              Maybe your cats roam at will and reproduce at will, but mine don't. Do your kids wander down the street? Have they been neutered?

              {"commentId":10478917,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"elizabethmsmith"}
              • 5 votes
              #10.1 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:02 PM EST
              {"commentId":10479690,"authorDomain":"miskaffon"}

              Cats in my city already do have to be licensed, and a vet has to issue the license stating that all shots have been given and that the animal is spayed/neutered. They won't issue a license to an unaltered animal at all without the owner holding a kennel license. Why couldn't this work in other cities?

              {"commentId":10479690,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"miskaffon"}
              • 1 vote
              #10.2 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:42 PM EST
              {"commentId":10480415,"authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}

              Elizabeth.... we ain't talking about YOUR cats....are we? I have a crazy cat lady in my neighborhood. Her cats get let out to roam. I have found them on the roof of my soft top Jeep. Claws and convertibles do not mix. Her cats attack my bird feeders.....which are inside MY fenced-in yard.

              I don't walk across the street to her yard and poop in her flowerbed.

              MOST cat people suck....just like their cats. ***MOST....notice that, MOST...***

              {"commentId":10480415,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}
              • 3 votes
              #10.3 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:14 PM EST
              {"commentId":10484401,"authorDomain":"oom"}

              MOST decent cat people keep their cats inside and therefore you probably don't even know they have them.

              {"commentId":10484401,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"oom"}
              • 1 vote
              #10.4 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:58 PM EST
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              {"commentId":10478798,"authorDomain":"emf123456"}

              Ok so these people who are probably very responsible with their cats are being punished while people who are abusing the system and live off our taxes can keep popping out babies which we end up paying for. Awesome! Live and let live and let people keep their cats.

              {"commentId":10478798,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"emf123456"}
              • 2 votes
              Reply#11 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 4:56 PM EST
              {"commentId":10480482,"authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}

              how are they being punished?

              If the law is more than three of an animal species gets you called a breeder and you have to get a license. Then be a law abiding citizen. Where is the punishement?

              If cat owners had to fork over the same amount of money; in registrations, as dog owners....MOST cat owners would stop at two pet cats.

              {"commentId":10480482,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}
              • 1 vote
              #11.1 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:18 PM EST
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              {"commentId":10478806,"authorDomain":"neederminer"}

              Are licenses for more than 3 kids next?

              I understand the idea of controlling the cat population, but this is ridiculous! She works with a rescue group. The city should be ashamed of itself.

              {"commentId":10478806,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"neederminer"}
              • 2 votes
              Reply#12 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 4:57 PM EST
              {"commentId":10480520,"authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}

              The city is just trying to pay the salaries of the fireman, the EMT guy, the 911 operator, and that kid who waters the flowers in the planter boxes downtown.

              Money isn't free, even for a city gov'ment.

              {"commentId":10480520,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}
                #12.1 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:20 PM EST
                {"commentId":10481212,"authorDomain":"dudleysucks"}

                this town just wasted a million dollars on a library. dont think they are worried about the fireman they laid off or the police they laid off.

                {"commentId":10481212,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"dudleysucks"}
                • 1 vote
                #12.2 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:55 PM EST
                {"commentId":10483196,"authorDomain":"druss3605"}

                What is wrong with you cat people. Did anyone actually read the article or just the headline. The lady lets her 15 cats out to roam. The neighbors @!$%#ed because they dont wont her 15 cats crapping on their lawn, etc etc. She probably ignored them. They went to the city for justice and got it. Im willing to bet if she kept those 15 cats inside, like a responsible owner, you would never have seen this article, cause there would be no new bylaw.

                {"commentId":10483196,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"druss3605"}
                • 1 vote
                #12.3 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 8:49 PM EST
                {"commentId":10484420,"authorDomain":"oom"}

                [[this town just wasted a million dollars on a library]]

                Um, "wasted" money on a library? You have something against libraries?

                {"commentId":10484420,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"oom"}
                  #12.4 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:59 PM EST
                  {"commentId":10499153,"authorDomain":"JT123456"}

                  The bylaw is unconstitutional just like the dog one. They should have made a bylaw that says that cat owners have to keep them on their own property. That is a whole lot better than limiting the amount of cats someone can have. Then fine her if the situation repeats. I personally would never pay for a license to have my 4th cat. They can forget it. I would take the law into my own hands. it's not a threat, but a reality. This country is going in the wrong direction when we start writing a law everytime one person causes trouble.

                  {"commentId":10499153,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"JT123456"}
                    #12.5 - Thu Nov 5, 2009 2:34 PM EST
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                    {"commentId":10478899,"authorDomain":"elizabethmsmith"}

                    What a bunch of kitty litter. If I'm taking care of 4, 5, 6 cats, all of which have been spayed/neutered, and they are strictly indoor cats, it should be nobody's business but mine. This is just another way for the town to make cash off of someone. That $50 license would be better spent on adopting another cat from the shelter than going into the pockets of the town whiners. If they really want to get serious - start charging $50 for every child over one! And $100 if you let them out of your house!

                    {"commentId":10478899,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"elizabethmsmith"}
                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#13 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:01 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10479213,"authorDomain":"coollou"}

                    If you want more than three, four, or more cats that's just great. Just keep those destructive little bastards out of my yard. I had a "Crazy Cat Lady" that lived across the street from me that was feeding the strays and guess what happened? The smell in MY yard was so bad I couldn't open certain windows. I had to start trapping them (in my own yard) and "removing" them from the community. I ended up catching 23, not including the ones that couldn't be trapped. These cats had gotten into my garage and cars and urinated over EVERYTHING! I keep my dog from roaming into the neighbors yards, cat owners/care takers need to keep their animals out of mine. I still have cats entering my yard to use my landscaping as their litter box. I set traps to catch and dispose of them, I could care less whether or not they have collars. If I cannot catch them in a trap, there are other ways of dealing with them!

                    {"commentId":10479213,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"coollou"}
                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#14 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:18 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10480205,"authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}

                    MOST cat owners suck. They think nothing of letting their cats roam free, destroying other people's property.

                    A fine can of tuna with a rat poison chaser, left on a shed roof, works wonders.

                    {"commentId":10480205,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}
                    • 1 vote
                    #14.1 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:04 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10481418,"authorDomain":"Farmerjb"}

                    Hey there Bluedevilbasher....maybe one of your kids could find the tuna with rat poison chaser. It's yummy!! Your a prik.!!

                    {"commentId":10481418,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"Farmerjb"}
                    • 2 votes
                    #14.2 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 7:05 PM EST
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                    {"commentId":10479220,"authorDomain":"gypsy214"}

                    Making something like this a general law does seem fairly ridiculous. If your cats are strictly indoor cats, it shouldn't matter how many you have. If, on the other hand, your cats are doing damage to other people's property or going after their animals, then fines should be levied on a case-by-case basis. Responsible pet owners are being penalized because of the actions of the non-responsible.

                    {"commentId":10479220,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"gypsy214"}
                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#15 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:18 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10479560,"authorDomain":"stonecold614"}

                    Now THAT makes sense! I'm not really a cat person, but my wife gets a lot of pleasure from her (neutered, indoor) cat. If a cat stays indoors and doesn't bother anybody, then leave the owner the hell alone.

                    That being said, I find it difficult to believe that 15 cats in one house weren't causing a problem in the neighborhood.

                    {"commentId":10479560,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"stonecold614"}
                    • 3 votes
                    #15.1 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:36 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10480293,"authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}

                    yeah, and one day, responsible dog owners will be liberated.

                    get used to it. The cat nazi patrol is on the move. City and county gov'ments give cats a free pass while collecting big money for dog registration.

                    No special rights for cats. Tax 'em the same and treat 'em the same.

                    {"commentId":10480293,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}
                    • 2 votes
                    #15.2 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:08 PM EST
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                    {"commentId":10479343,"authorDomain":"the-infidel"}
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                    {"commentId":10479413,"authorDomain":"thePharoah90086"}

                    Government Greed and Interference know No Bounds. first , We are told to obtain Licenses for PuppyDawgs. now , We have to do the Same for "Man's Best Friend". next comes Licenses and Tracking Devices for Humans. as the Previous President said , We are All "Terr-ists and Evil-Doers" anyway , guilty of Money Laundering if We want to pay-off Our Auto Loans early.

                    {"commentId":10479413,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"thePharoah90086"}
                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#17 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:28 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10479423,"authorDomain":"lloyd-coward"}

                    I control the feral population where I live. I trap them and move them to the golf course, to be trapped by maintenance and moved to the pound. I called the pound and was told "we don't pick up". At $3.00 a gallon for gas, options were not looking good, so off to the course. Think about it, not a bad place to spend your days (although numbered) giant sandboxes, lots of "birdies".

                    Sure do appreciate my dog.

                    {"commentId":10479423,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"lloyd-coward"}
                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#18 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:28 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10479594,"authorDomain":"stonecold614"}

                    Lloyd, the problem with your solution is that you're just dumping the problem on somebody else's doorstep. In my old neighborhood, there used to be a feral cat problem. Not any more.

                    {"commentId":10479594,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"stonecold614"}
                    • 1 vote
                    #18.1 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:38 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10479929,"authorDomain":"lloyd-coward"}

                    They go there because they regularly (weekly, actually) trap them (humanely) and dispose of them at the pound. Some get adopted out, but not many, too wild. Either way, I'm not driving 30 miles round trip to drop a stray cat off, unless I was on my way the LICENSED ANIMALS OWNERS home to return it.

                    {"commentId":10479929,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"lloyd-coward"}
                      #18.2 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:52 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10480588,"authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}

                      one can of tuna and some rat poison. works wonders on stray cats.

                      {"commentId":10480588,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}
                        #18.3 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:24 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10481035,"authorDomain":"stonecold614"}

                        .22 cal. ammunition is cheap. Quiet, too.

                        {"commentId":10481035,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"stonecold614"}
                          #18.4 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:45 PM EST
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                          {"commentId":10479509,"authorDomain":"dudleysucks"}

                          i live in this town and for the first time i can say i am ashamed to live in such a heartless town.

                          i am emailing them about how wrong they are and urge everyone to do the same. if anyone else want to do the same here is the link

                          http://www.dudleyma.gov/

                          {"commentId":10479509,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"dudleysucks"}
                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#19 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:33 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10485952,"authorDomain":"sunnyday1982"}

                          Thanks!

                          {"commentId":10485952,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"sunnyday1982"}
                          • 1 vote
                          #19.1 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 11:25 PM EST
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                          {"commentId":10479596,"authorDomain":"dalene-hepburn"}

                          I guess if this lady keeps her cats indoors spay/neutered and is clean about them then who am I to give a crap what she does. The problem with most is that they don't do those things. I have neighbors all around me that have cats that are indoor/outdoor cats or strictly outdoor. They kill the birds in my yard, use the lawn as their personal litter box and they also terrorize my chickens. I even saw one trying to sneak into our backdoor. I have pet rabbits in the house that the cat could have killed. I would hate for it to come to that because I would have to kill the cat. Same goes for my chickens it is just crap that your bullsh*t ends up affecting me. Again I am talking about irresponsible pet owners so don't you all get crazy because I said I would kill their cats.  Yes I do think that is ok.

                          {"commentId":10479596,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"dalene-hepburn"}
                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#20 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:38 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10484504,"authorDomain":"oom"}

                          I have two Flemish Giants that are capable of kicking any cat into the middle of next week. Yet when they play in the yard, there are a few neighborhood cats that are their buddies. I would be 100% in favor of you being allowed to kill any cat or dog that went after your own animals. Even in rural areas, people have no right to let their animals roam free off their own property.

                          {"commentId":10484504,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"oom"}
                            #20.1 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 10:05 PM EST
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                            {"commentId":10479620,"authorDomain":"loren-1"}

                            MONEY MONEY MONEY..........liberals no best.........control freaks and lazy money hungry ass wipes run our towns and country......of which are mostly lawyers...........what a mess............you live in a blue state.....government knows best and government is the problem.......that's a fact.

                            {"commentId":10479620,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"loren-1"}
                            • 4 votes
                            Reply#21 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:39 PM EST
                            {"commentId":10480630,"authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}

                            evolve.

                            {"commentId":10480630,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}
                            • 2 votes
                            #21.1 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:26 PM EST
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                            {"commentId":10479661,"authorDomain":"slgrawrock"}

                            Coxsakie virus?? Not the correct spelling, and for the record it is Chicken Pox which is not to my knowledge transmitted by cats

                            {"commentId":10479661,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"slgrawrock"}
                            • 4 votes
                            Reply#22 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:40 PM EST
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                            {"commentId":10479672,"authorDomain":"mikemendola"}

                            So what's the big deal. You have to have a license for every dog. In my opinion the cat licence should be for each cat.

                            BTW- I own neither cats nor dogs

                            {"commentId":10479672,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"mikemendola"}
                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#23 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:41 PM EST
                            {"commentId":10479686,"authorDomain":"rick-howard-385309"}

                            the govt will tax ANYTHING

                            {"commentId":10479686,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"rick-howard-385309"}
                            • 3 votes
                            Reply#24 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:41 PM EST
                            {"commentId":10479775,"authorDomain":"frustratedsoul"}

                            What is happening? Is this country slowly but surely becoming some sort of a oppressive dictatorship like Saudi Arabia... You can't do this... you can't do that... Is this a free country or what?

                            Perhaps this is capitalism stretched a bit too far... you can do anything provided you pay for it. Have 30 cats but pay the city a license fee and then pay for the cat's food and upkeep. This is crazy.

                            The system of government should be renamed to Taxocracy...

                            {"commentId":10479775,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"frustratedsoul"}
                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#25 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:46 PM EST
                            {"commentId":10480668,"authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}

                            America went to @!$%# a hundred years ago. try to keep up.

                            {"commentId":10480668,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"dodgyhingst"}
                            • 2 votes
                            #25.1 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:28 PM EST
                            {"commentId":10486241,"authorDomain":"levites"}

                            democrats added more government into our business- not capitalism

                            cat people are definitely strange - I worked (painting) for a cat lady(about 6-8 cats) who during the war with Israel and Hamas , saw some footage as we ate pizza together of an area blown up and bodies were in the street and she screeched. I thought she was in horror like myself over the graphic footage and the war escalting. But she was crying, upset about a dog and some cats she saw that were dead under a garge door. She was more concerned about animals than people.

                            After readin some of these posts, who could blame her- people are crazy.

                            {"commentId":10486241,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"levites"}
                              #25.2 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 11:47 PM EST
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                              {"commentId":10479821,"authorDomain":"jennifer-1050667"}

                              Why is this news? All the communities in our county have limits on the number of animals you can own and cat roaming laws. Even if she is a responsible pet owner, neighbors do not want cats running all over their properties, eliminating in their landscaping, etc. And, there is no way all 15 cats are using litterboxes. Good luck selling that house.

                              {"commentId":10479821,"threadId":"716560","contentId":"3460773","authorDomain":"jennifer-1050667"}
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                              Reply#26 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:48 PM EST
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