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The Israeli navy seized an arms ship about 100 miles west of Israel's coast early Wednesday and were towing it to an Israeli port for further inspection, the military said.
Any country (government sponsored) proven supplying weapons to terrorist groups should automatically be expelled from the UN and WTO. In addition, a trade embargo should be imposed automatically bypassing the need for UN vote. Finally, any country that defies the trade embargo should be punished with a similar trade embargo.
#2 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:57 AM ESTWho gave Israel white phosphorous?
Who gave Hamas child shields?
Uncle Sense - I agree there should be serious consequences for arming known terrorist organizations, the only problem is that the feckless UN will never do anything like expelling Iran or any other country. I only hope the Iranian people can straighten out their internal problems because I get the feeling that the sand in the hour glass of doom is about to run out.
Good idea but as long as Iran has oil that will never happen.
George01,
Your evaluation of Hesb'Allah (The Party of G-d) is inaccurate.
This is right from their website:
"The hope is to rid of the pressuring threats pactised by the foreign zionist entity which has been thrust upon the Islamic and the Arab contemporany nation."
http://almashriq.hiof.no/lebanon/300/320/324/324.2/hizballah/statement01.html
As far as your not-so-veiled threats against Israel, I recommend that you be prepared to lose more land.
As far as your not-so-veiled threats against Israel, I recommend that you be prepared to lose more land.
Great comment Steven B.
"Hizbullah is not a terrorist group."
And Burma is a democracy.
Thanks for the chuckle, Sichuan :-)
You're welcome, Steven.
Muslims shouldn't have access to any weapons. These people make me sick. If the Israelis want to attack them, it is their will. Who are we to stop them? They are chosen by God! It is their land promised in the Old Testament.
R.I.P. are you joking? If not, just leave.
I hope Israel gets attacked again cause they will just get stronger and larger with more land to be had. The Americans did it so why not Israel8)...
Maybe we could just irradiate the Middle East. Then nobody could live there. It would be awesome.
I've got a great idea. The US will stop arming Israel when Iran and the other Middleastern States stop supplying Israel's enemies. Sounds fair to me.
Israel should should send those weapons on to Syria via airmail. Launch em one at a time.
Fair enough but doing the war on Lebanon in 2006, as Israel attacked American planes were landing through Europe to resupply Israel with more ammunition. Why?? The reason was clear there was a green light. Hizbullah is Lebanese and if weapons are smuggled for resistance so be it. The Lebanese army is not getting any high tech weapons.
Vietnam was a lie: The Gulf of Tonkin incedent NEVER HAPPENED.
Are your eyes Brown? Because you're definitely full of @!$%# if you think that VietNam was a lie..........................take this @!$%# elsewhere or explain to me why I was in Danang getting my ass shot at on a daily basis. Explain to me 58,000+ names on a granite wall in D.C.
Pathetic and disgusting..........................
First, the occupiers are the terrorists especially when they are responsible for 99% of the killing of civilians. Second, it is quite a "coincidence" that Israel captures a ship of arms going to the Lebanese resistance, and claims that Hamas tested a missle that can hit Tel Aviv, at the same time the international community are debating in the UN what to do whith Israeli war crimes commited against the defenseless Palestinians.
Israeli war crimes commited against the defenseless Palestinians.
Oh yeah those poor poor pitiful defensless Palestinian TERRORISTS.
GET A CLUE AND WAKE UP.............................
Or have you never heard of Yassar Arafat and the PLO.....................
Defensless Palestinians, oh that's priceless, hehehehehe................best joke I've heard in a LONNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGG TIME
Children in Gaza are not defenceless? Do you not think so? That just proves that your heartless and inhuman. The creation of Israel is a joke that will be fixed watch and see time will only tell. You have deprived a whole nation from living and all due to the fact that your book says you have a right to the promised land. I think your reading the wrong book. The book never said conquer Palestine
The creation of Israel is a joke
No.....................you're the joke george.
The book never said conquer Palestine
Ummmmmmmmmmmmm better go re-read george, it says go in and inhabit the land promised to your forefathers. THe SAME LAND that the Palestinian TERRu're gonna figure this one out.ORISTS want to claim for their own but can't. Better start reading George and go way way way back if yo
The jews escaped torture and came to Palestine only to escape and suddenly they decided to take it over. The UN was seeking a place fot the jews and one of the suggestions was Ethiopia in Africa. You go and read on the subject. Your so called Israel has blood on Their hands. Israel is only 60 years old since the occupation. What a mistake you should have continued reading the new testament
I want proof --I do not believe these clowns..
When is Israel going to answer to the International community..the chicken ambassador to the UN voted to disclaim the Goldstone Report!
Outrageous..We need AIPAC out of our Govern't...Now.. I they are innocent let them answer to the World --not slide under the fence post and attempt to divert attention from their actions!
Thank G-d Israel stopped this one arms shipment to Hezbollah from Iran. But Islamo-fascist Iran is a major supplier of weapons, training and funding to terrorist groups all around the Middle East and beyond. Iran and Syria have helped re-arm Hezbollah in violation of signed treaties by the terrorists. The UN forces in southern Lebanon, UNIFIL, in violation of their mandate have looked the other way for the past 3 years while Hezbollah terrorists have re-infiltrated southern Lebanon and have received thousands of missiles.
#3 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:49 AM ESTdougmiller as far as Lebanon is concerned Israel and Lebanon are at war. The supply of weapons will continue as long as Israel continues to invade their airspace, and steal water and more land. The lebanese army confiscated spy equipment in south Lebanon Israel didnt have to deny anything or answer to anyone. The Lebanese sea is sovereign so if Israel wants to come closer they are also in violation.
another hammas munitions story for a second day. Seems to coincide quite nicely with the fact Israel will still be building more settlements on arab lands doesn't it?
#4 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:50 AM ESTB-Realistic please do. It is no longer Arab land. The sooner you quit living in a dream world the sooner you will realize that to the victor go the spoils of war.
Not Hamas. Hesb'Allah. Although both are Iranian proxies.
Israel captured the land in war.
If there is more war, Israel will capture more land.
Won't it be ironic if Israel uses these captured weapons to pound the Iranian proxies?
"Seems to coincide quite nicely with the fact Israel will still be building more settlements on arab lands doesn't it?"
This was contributed by another poster. I don't recall his name.
"A brief history lesson is in order:
The legal basis of the establishment of the modern state of Israel comes from the League of Nations, which in its Mandate for Palestine (July 24, 1922) recognized the right of the Jewish People to "close settlement" in the whole of the Mandated territory (which originally included all of what is now Israel and Jordan). Britain, the Mandatory power (a mandatory is a form of a trusteeship), for her own power-play reasons, soon withheld from Jewish settlement the 80% of the Mandated territory that eventually became the Arab state of Jordan. In other words the dispute we have today is over only the remaining 20% of the land set aside for a Jewish Homeland.
The League of Nations committed itself to the Jewish return to Israel explicitly based upon the Jewish historical connection to Israel.
The preamble to the Mandate states: “Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country;”
This point of the Jews historical, in addition to, religious, connection to the land was heavily discussed at the time, and its inclusion in the preamble to the Mandate is deliberate.
The Jewish right of settlement in all of the land west of the Jordan river (pre-1967 Israel, the disputed territories, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip), was made unassailable. That right has never been terminated, and cannot be terminated except by a recognized peace between Israel and its neighbors. And perhaps not even then, in view of Article 80 of the UN Charter, "the Palestine Article," which provides that the Mandatory for Palestine, a trust established on behalf of the Jewish people by the now-defunct League of Nations, would remain in force as a legal document of the United Nations. The “settlements” are thus entirely legal under international law. Furthermore the “settlements” are fully allowable under the Oslo agreements, which say that the status of the ‘settlements” will be determined in final status negotiations (which have not happened).
The Jewish community that had existed in Israel from time immemorial as well as the more recent Arab residents of Israel (renamed Palestine by the Romans in their attempt, somewhat successful based upon the evidence of these posts, to disconnect the land of Israel from the Jewish people. The name Palestine references both the long-gone Philistines and the Roman deity Pales) lived in great poverty.
The land was desolate, scarcely populated and forsaken until the end of the 19th century when Jewish Zionist energy, enterprise and sacrifice began a revival of the land that continues to this day. As a result of Zionist enterprise the Arab population swelled. Arabs flocked into the land for economic reasons and the existing population blossomed as Jewish efforts to improve the land caused the health of the Arabs to improve dramatically, meaning that half of their children were no longer dying by age 5 and life expectancy for those who did survive went beyond their forties.
The benefits in health, living conditions, more opportunity and economic conditions did not prevent politically motivated violence. Politically motivated attacks by Arabs against Jews began in 1920. This is well before the so-called “occupation”, well before the establishment of the state of modern Israel, over a decade before the Jews even had protecting groups. In 1929, in a hatred fanned by the Moslem elite and anti-Semitic British colonial officials, Arabs butchered Jews across the land of Israel.
In the 1930’s Arab violence continued, escalating against both the British and the Jews. Belatedly, the Jews began to create defensive units.
By the 1940’s the Jewish community divided on two issues, the extent to which there should be retaliatory attacks against Arab violence, and on whether the Jews should cooperate with or oppose the British. The dispute regarding the British arose because with the Jews of Europe threatened with extermination, the British, in complete violation of their obligations as the trustee for the Jewish National Home severely limited Jewish immigration (and after the Holocaust was over sunk Jewish refugee ships trying to reach sanctuary in the Jewish homeland). The Irgun did bomb the wing of the King David Hotel that the British had taken over as their military headquarters but it was a military target and the Irgun gave several warnings in the hour before the attack. Unfortunately these warnings were ignored by the British.
The British eventually tired of the Arab violence, and the violence between the Arabs and Jews, and announced their intention to abandon their position as Mandatory. New Arab violence against the Jews flared up in 1947, but by now the Jews had over a quarter of century to develop ways to defend themselves. Israel declared independence in May 1948. Seven Arab armies invaded. Both the local Arabs and the seven Arab nations that invaded Israel in 1948 were defeated.
The United Nations did not establish Israel. The right under modern international law of Jews to return to their historical homeland was created by the League of Nations and continued by the United Nations. The modern state of Israel was created by her citizens in 1948 and was defended from its very first day against Arab attacks. What the United Nations did do was to recommend a partition of the remaining 20% of the Mandatory Lands into Jewish and Arab sections, a recommendation that the Arabs rejected out of hand, and after Israel declared its existence, the United Nations recognized Israel as a state and UN member.
Prior to 1948 the term “Palestinian” normally meant Jew. Arabs were generally referred to as “Arabs”. The term Palestinian, meaning Arab, did not come into use until the 1960’s and was deliberately used to create the illusion that there was a separate people called Palestinians and later the idea that there had been a country called Palestine. In fact “Palestinians” are ethnically, religiously, linguistically, culturally and historically, Arabs. There are 21 Arab states already, but only one very small Jewish state. As Arabs, “Palestinians” would be ethnically, religiously (except for the largely peaceful and persecuted Christian minority), linguistically and culturally at home in any number of existing Arab states, but particularly Jordan, part of the original Mandate for Palestine and now largely populated by people who label themselves “Palestinians”.
There was never a nation of Palestine or anything that resembled a nation. Had the Arabs in the area that is now Israel been given a vote in the 1920’s as to what they state they wanted to belong to they would have chosen either Syria, as much of the land of Israel had been administered from Damascus during the hundreds of years the Turks controlled the Middle East, and most Arabs considered themselves Syrians, or they would have chosen to become part of the Jewish homeland, for the above-noted reasons of health and prosperity. The idea of a separate Arab state west of the Jordan river was a fringe political idea on par with those who want parts of Florida to leave the United States.
Arabs often claim they want peace. Many in the west assume when Arabs use the word peace it has the same meaning as it would have in the west.
The Palestinians in their own words (articles 21-23 of the Palestinian National Covenant):
Article 21: The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by the armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aiming at the liquidation of the Palestinian problem, or its internationalization.
Article 22: Zionism is a political movement organically associated with international imperialism and antagonistic to all action for liberation and to progressive movements in the world. It is racist and fanatic in its nature, aggressive, expansionist, and colonial in its aims, and fascist in its methods. Israel is the instrument of the Zionist movement, and geographical base for world imperialism placed strategically in the midst of the Arab homeland to combat the hopes of the Arab nation for liberation, unity, and progress. Israel is a constant source of threat vis-a-vis peace in the Middle East and the whole world. Since the liberation of Palestine will destroy the Zionist and imperialist presence and will contribute to the establishment of peace in the Middle East, the Palestinian people look for the support of all the progressive and peaceful forces and urge them all, irrespective of their affiliations and beliefs, to offer the Palestinian people all aid and support in their just struggle for the liberation of their homeland.
Article 23: The demand of security and peace, as well as the demand of right and justice, require all states to consider Zionism an illegitimate movement, to outlaw its existence, and to ban its operations, in order that friendly relations among peoples may be preserved, and the loyalty of citizens to their respective homelands safeguarded.
The number of Arab deaths in over 80 years of conflict between Jews and Arabs is about 60,000. The number deaths among the Arabs (and Iran) from conflicts among themselves during this same period is in the millions (Iraq, Egypt, Yeman, Iran, Syria, Lebanon). And this is just part of the mass killings going on throughout the Islamic world, both amongst Moslems, and against other people, as we were just so brutally reminded in the terrorist attacks in Mumbai. Over 95% of the active and violent disputes or wars going on in the world today involve Moslems. Only one involves Jews."
someday the Messiah will come to this land and settle all these troubles. I hold fast to the faith that the land of Israel was given to the Jewish people by G-d himself and this promise shall remain never broken. Yes, its a sad thing that all this pain and wars have happened but.......
The Jewish people have suffered programs and persercuction; we have outlasted Pharoah's slavery and Hitler's Final Solution. And I have no doubt that long after Hamas and Hezbollah have been buried in the boneyard of human history, long after the crisis with Iran has been resolved, the flag of Israel will still be flying over the ancient walls of the sacred City of David, and that Jerusalem will be the praise of all the earth.
Sichaun - Well said!!! Thank you.
Lauren Rogers - Amen.
A post that was informative, factual and well written. Thank you.
Sichuan-I normally skip over parts of long posts but read every word of yours-thank you for posting it to show the truth of it all. I hope many will read it and realize the deception of both the "palestinians," the media, and many world leaders.
Lauren Rogers-great post as well.
Great post keep up the good fight
Sichuan,
i read that post every time you paste it. the truth never gets old. thanks again.
Lauren,
the flag will fly till the return of Messiah, the Son of the One True God.
God Bless you both, and all others.
haha sichuan, awesome. yes the truth stings like a slap to the face.
And the funny part is the Israelis dont see it. They say why are we getting hit ? Because your idiots. Stop settlements so that the world can take you seriously for a change.
Sechuan your paragraphs are total lies. Any one can look at any encyclopedia and see those lies. The League of nations only mentioned a Jewish homeland, not state, in parts of Palestine. It never approved a jewish State anywhere in Palestine. Palestiniaans were the indegenous inhabitants of Palestine, Muslims, Christians, and a very small percentage of Jews. The league of states was for giving independense to Palestine. if that occured at that time there would not have been an Israel becuse the population made up of 90% of Christian and muslim Palestinians. Because this did not occur, decades later and after a large influx of forced jewish zionist immigration the UN (most countries were still colonized and were not independent) voted for separating Palestine (not Jordan) into 2 states separate and unequal (the Christian and Muslim Palestinians were 70% of the population).
Self-appointed, oxymoronically named moniker, BSing, worthless,"justicenow", go back to the cesspool from which you crawled out. You contribute nothing to this discussion.
someday the Messiah will come to this land and settle all these troubles
Obama got a middle east trip coming I haven't heard about?.........my bad thought you were refering to the false messiah.
All organized religions need to be stopped. The love for one's spirituality is perfectly fine as long as judging others and believing that murder will be acceptable by a "higher power" is not practiced.
#5 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 7:09 AM ESTDisinformation at it's finest coming to you from the Mossad. People take a look at this webpage and then take a look at the story the other day about the "new Iranian rockets" notice the striking similarities in the two? They aren't "new" at all that's why! They're the same old Katusha rockets they have been using forever that's why!
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/hizballah-rockets.htm
#6 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 7:10 AM ESTThe rockets are new to Hamas, which didn't have the range of rockets until armed by Iran.
"Peaceful" Iran, currently trying to build a nuke.
The good news is that Iran cannot build nuclear facilities as fast as the US can build bunker busters and cruise missiles.
StevenB if Israel continues to arm, so will their neiughbours. Its very easy to understand why cant you? Jesrusalem is the biggest key for a final solution, if its not agreed upon then Israel must continue to face resistemce.
Iran? Who woulda thought. Nuke 'em and be done with 'em.
#7 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 7:10 AM ESTyou are aware that there are many decent, non-violent people living in Iran? many tried to 'voice their displeasure' with the current political atmosphere in Iran and are facing torture from their "leaders" because of it?
you are aware that the Iranian government (and mullah's) are the responsible parties?
screw the vast amount of oil there, you are aware that you are condemning many innocent lives?
Notice these "new iranian rockets" were also mentioned in 2002 by Israel. makes you wonder huh?
#8 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 7:13 AM ESTB-Realistic, and malocchio below (post 9),
the only thing i wonder about is how either of you can operate a computer with your obviously limited mental facilities.
and B-Realistic, when you post an idiotic comment like yours and then vote for yourself, you clarify for others what type of individual you truly are.
Malocchio.. How true it is.. Too bad other peoples can't see it that way.. Enemies are created.. Friends are born by GOD perhaps..
#10 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 7:32 AM ESTIsraeli naval commandos seized an arms ship near Cyprus early Wednesday and towed it to an Israeli port, defense officials said — a rare interception that highlighted Israel's fears that Iran is arming its enemies.
My post was collapsed by the genocidal community.
malocchio,
your post was collapsed by the community to spare you the indignity of having others know what an idiot you are. though you are certainly entitled to your opinion....
Israel should be turned loose and allowed to resolve the issues at it's borders in what ever way it sees fit. Bill Clinton the "Draft Dodger" needs to mind his own business regarding the middle east since he made the situation worse when he was in office. Maybe he could find someone under his desk to have an affair with and let the man of the house handle international affairs. If we don't let Israel handle this, we'll ultimately have to and only "after the fact" which will cost more than money.
#11 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 7:54 AM EST"Bill Clinton the "Draft Dodger" needs to mind his own business regarding the middle east since he made the situation worse when he was in office."
And what did G.W. Bush the "Vietnam Dodger" do about the situation in the Middle East? Absolutely nothing, that's what.
Regretfully, no outside force will be able to dissuade the Arabs from persecuting Israel.
The Arab hegemonies need Israel. By spreading hateful stories in the Arabian media about Israel (Jews using the blood of Arab babies to make Passover matzoh) they can keep their populace focused on hating Israel, instead of hating the repressive regimes that they live under.
Israel is the only free nation in the region.
"Peace will come only when the Palestinians love their children more than they hate Jews." Golda Meir
Sichuan and Dina, google something before you make up stuff. Ever hear of the failed Clinton road map that Bush picked up again on in 2002? The only real problem with the road map was that neither the Americans, the Israelis, nor the Palestinians were serious about implementing it. Nor have they since. That's over the course of 16 years of "talking" with them through 2 presidents and 4 terms. Blindly trying to turn something like this into a Bush bash topic without even googling what Bush did in the middle east just shows you both aren't even interested in the facts, only a party agenda.
Besides, during the Bush wars there was a little distraction called 9/11 that we're still dealing with in Afghanistan. I thought you lefties thought we were fighting on too many fronts? You're complaining because Bush didn't head into Israel too for a 3rd war? The right wing doesn't want that and you shouldn't either.
I'm sorry Allen for seeming daft, but what exactly did I post that I needed to google? An "Amen" to a quote from Golda Meir? If I google that I'll find the quote myself.
I've not bashed Bush on a forum ever, only to other like minded people who see that idiot for what he truely is, daddy's little boy. And that is never done on a public forum because it's a waste of time beating a dead horse. Don't drag me into your tirade, just makes you look more foolish.
Josh, Good post. The people that think this is just a mind game being played for the reason of religion, best realize this is not going to be fun and games. This is not going to be a debate between Israel and the Arabs. And the most important fact to realize is that it is going to happen. Yeah, the recession will be on the 4th page.
#12 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 7:56 AM ESTOn Tuesday, the head of military intelligence said Gaza's militant Hamas rulers recently test-fired a missile capable of striking Israel's largest urban center, metropolitan Tel Aviv
If Hamas starts launching another round of missiles at Israel and they strike Tel Aviv or the metropolitan area of any Israeli city, then you can expect the Israeli's to become much more aggressive in dealing with Hamas. Hamas is not helping it's cause by engaging in such actions. If Hamas really wanted to put pressure on Israel to give up settlements then Hamas would lay down it's arms and seek a two state solution. Then the international community would pressure Israel into giving up the settlements. Until then the Israelis have a security interests in keeping the settlements and international pressure is less likely to be exerted, let alone be successful, particularly when Hamas is rearming for yet another round of missile attacks on the innocent civilians living In Israeli cities. If indeed Iran is behind the arming of Hamas (which is not seriously disputed) it only underscores the need to make sure Iran remains nuclear weapons free. Hopefully the people of Iran will not allow their dictators to continue to take them down this woeful path.
#14 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 8:29 AM ESTIt was an unwritten rule that Tel Aviv being bombed would send Israel into full-scale war mode.
That would probably mean no more independence for Lebanon.
Which is why Hesb'Allah didn't dare to rocket Tel Aviv.
Correction Steve, I think the second word in your post should be "is". But I think the Israelis are to the point now where another missile launch on any of their cities will result in an all out effort to decimate Hamas. I'm not so sure Hamas will continue to restrain itself no matter how foolish such an act would be. Their zeal to eliminate the Jews has blinded them to the reality that such an attempt would only result in their elimination.
I agree KingK. The operative word should be "is".
Thank you for your keen eye! :-)
“We have always said that in our war with the Arabs we had a secret weapon - no alternative.” -Golda Meir
Time for the world to become Iran-free. Leave it to Israel to remove that soup stain on the tie of humanity. Then, when the dust settles and this greatest impediment to fruitful negotiations has been "neutralized," we can move forward with the business of making a real and lasting peace in the region.
#15 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 8:43 AM ESTExactly what that country of evil maniacs would like. Let's cut to the REAL chase and simply restore the 12th Caliphate. Then Iran can enslave all of its Arab neighbors and move on to Europe. No problem. Nothing like rooting for the demise of Western civilization! The Muslim "religion" is the Devil's path to re-enter this world and he has all the tools he needs...violent inclinations, xenophobia, a healthy respect for slavery and a level of ignorance and intolerance not known by any other religion on the face of the Earth.
A$$hatbobb is that you?
"Look what they did to the U.S. when they tried to invade?"
When was that, lhat?
Sichuan: The Iran hostage crises of 1979. I would think you knew this since you like posting long winded rhetoric online so the other confused Prozac generation can follow your readings...
America couldn't even rescue their own. Their helicopters crashed into each other. Idiots...
Don't ever confuse today's professional military with the military of the 70's,a$$hatboob or you'll be sorry. Our major issues now are politicians handicapping our ability to take out the Islamo-fascist trash. In the defense of those in the 70's they were operating in a foreign environment and of course accidents are a part of all life but unfortunately particularly deadly in the military. The fact you make light of such an incident shows what a sack of excrement does for entertainment (make light of soldiers making the ultimate sacrifice). Lo-lo-lo-loser!!!!
I(@!$%#inmy)hat, thank you for bringing up the Iranian hostage crisis of 1979. As I remember it, Iranians loyal to Ayatollah Khomeni seized the American embassy which is considered American soil and therefore an act of war according to the Geneva Conventions. Jimmy Carter, the biggest @!$%# to occupy the White House in 60 years, did nothing but negotiate for one year, and that display of weakness begins the timeline demonstrating why most of the problems in the Middle East exist today. If he would have given them 48 hours to free the hostages or he would have levelled the governmental buildings and office centers in Tehran and seize Iranian assets internationally, the world would be a completely different place today. The US needs a POTUS that no one wants to @!$%# with. Fortunately for America, at least Israel now has one.
History repeats itself Freddyboy! As I said before: The greatest military in the history of existence can't even conquer a simple Iraq & Afghanistan! And you think they could handle Iran? LOL! Even if McCain was president, those soldiers would still be coming back in bodybags.
I came back on a 757 and got drunk as hell that night just like the next time I go and put my boots on the ground of sand land!!! See post #1.16 for your diagnosis A$$hatboob!!!
lhat, a hostage rescue operation is not an invasion by any stretch of the imagination. It was meant to be a two stage operation and they initiated the first phase during a sandstorm. I don't know if the sandstorm was ignored or instead used as a cover. In any event, helicopters don't function properly when sand is sucked into the engines.
"The greatest military in the history of existence can't even conquer a simple Iraq & Afghanistan!"
Sure we could, if we ignored certain rules of engagement, had no concern for innocent civilians and didn't give a damn about the sovereignty of other nations.
People need to realize that death and destruction are part of any war and the more you try to avoid it the longer the war will last. Innocent civilians always suffer during any conflict. Radical Muslims love to hide behind their women and children while they fight from within their Mosques, school buildings and neighborhoods. They want these innocent Muslims to die because it breeds resentment and hatred toward Americans. We can continue to kill these innocent Muslims in small groups over a long period of time or we can escalate tenfold the amount of force used against our enemy and wipe them out in a much shorter time frame.
The United States has the ability to crush the Taliban and many of the various Muslim terrorist groups. The only things stopping us are political correctness, something most other countries ignore, and meddling politicians. The politicians need to step aside and let our military forces and intelligence agencies do the jobs they're capable of doing.
Don't make excuses Sichuan for the lack of aggression in the US soldiers. Its just because they're not real warriors fighting for a real cause. The US lost the Vietnam & Korean war, hence the name CONFLICT!
Israel is no better. Struggling with sheep herding Palestinians! They couldn't even handle Hezbollah in Beirut! And they want Iran? Go figure...
"Struggling with sheep herding Palestinians!"
If they stuck to herding their sheep instead of killing innocent Israeli citizens they wouldn't be having any problems.
Go over to Fort Knox,Fort Bragg,Fort Campbell, Camp Lejune or Fort Benning and tell those guys they're not warriors A$$hatboob I dare you!!! You might want to check your Obama care coverage first.
I'm not understanding the whole settlement thing.
Isreal has made farmland and pasture out of desert sand while becoming an active participant in the 21st century.
On the other hand the arabs, for the most part, have continued centuries old wars and remained in the stone age because of it.
I say: open your arms to your neighbors, welcome their technological abilities, tax their land & commerce, and bring your environment up-to date. Gee, wouldn't sewers, electricity, schools, hospitals, industry, paved roads, and so many other things be nicer than death, destruction, and poverty?
#16 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:09 AM ESTdeath, destruction, and poverty
That is all Arabs know. This will never change. Outside of Saudi Arabia and Kuaite and maybe the UAE not many other arab countries have westernized.
Doug: Here, I'll explain it for you. Israel illegally occupied a land whom Christians and Palestinians lived first. Imagine I came to your traiiler home and snatched the straw out your mouth and told you this land is mines now; how would you feel?
Not an explanation, just a (false, unfactual) justification. What if I lived in a trailer park for two millenia and someone knocked on my door and said, "Give me this trailer park, which my ancestors owned, and I will turn it into a garden and you can live here in a penthouse and we can all share and live in peace? Should I tell the other residents to leave so we can kill this person and then go back to living in our trailer park? But, of course, living in a trailer park to a Palestinian is just like living in a penthouse to a normal person.
Doug, the only time in history that iranians/persians were significant, was in the stone age, since they are of little consequence in modern times, they want to return to the good old days.
"Israel illegally occupied a land whom Christians and Palestinians lived first."
Palestinians? The only true Palestinians were/are the Jews. The Arab Palestinians of today are nothing more than Jordanians and Egyptians. Why does the Arab world do nothing to help the Palestinian Arabs? Because they don't want them.
Hornady XTP: And when did Anglo-whites become significant? During the Bubonic plague from their unsanitary ways or another time in their insignificant history?
that8bobb... LOL sounds like the rantings of the jealous. Other than that, your post is so ludicrous, I won't even deign to comment further.
"Israel illegally occupied a land whom Christians and Palestinians lived first."
The land was inhabited by the Jews before Christianity was even born, and the original Palestinians were Jews, not the Arabs that go by the name now. Thus, I find your statement rather hard to swallow.
A small correction.
Palestine, or from the original philistin ( or in hebrew Plishtim ) were a sea faring race living along the coasts of Israel / Yehuda 3000 years back.
Historians believe them to be of greek origin , maybe even greek roman nomadic sea traders.
Is all :)
george01- Isreal kick the Arabs A$$ in the Arab Isreali war and in the yom Kippur war. With the loss the Arabs lost large portions of their land. This happens in any war. So the lost lands are the spoils of the victors. So Isreal has every right to build and expand the country by building up settlements in the conquered lands. To bad for the losers.
#17 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:11 AM ESTHezbollah and its affiliates have planned or been linked to a lengthy series of terrorist attacks against the United States, Israel, and other Western targets. These attacks include:
#18 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:11 AM ESTYou missed a couple of details Steven B; Flight 847 included the murder of a U.S. Navy Diver and also in 1985 the liner Achille Lauro was highjacked at sea and the brave warriors of Islam murdered a disabled Jewish U.S. citizen. If I remember right the mastermind of many of these incidents was one Abu Nidal who's now taking a dirt nap from lead poisoning.
in 1985 the liner Achille Lauro was highjacked at sea and the brave warriors of Islam murdered a disabled Jewish U.S. citizen.
Yep, and they dumped his dead body and wheelchair over board.
Hizbullah never kidnap civilians you are mistaken my friend. They kill Israeli soldiers and when at war they fire at Israel and kill jews who are not originally from Israel. Get your facts right.
George,
So if I kill a family in the US it is ok as long as they are not originally from the US? You're saying its ok then for US citizens to go out and murder illegal immigrants.
What I am saying is if Israel decides to attack and act as if they are going for a walk in the park expect casualties on the other side as well. Its a war, a mistake Israel took and regreted it. When Hizbullah hit the northof Israel there was maybe couple of Israeli casualties vs thousands of civilians who died in Lebanon. Yes it does make it ok.
George01 ,
So I take it you are happy with happened during 9/11?
israel would never have attacked Gaza if those morons stopped launching missiles into Israel.
Personally, i think israel was lenient in there response.
Also, the US war vs Iraq, we had only a couple thousand causualties vs HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS , do you know how a war works? I never saw a rule book stating that it is unfair and against the rules for one side to kill more than another.
Maybe if The Palestinians stopped strapping bombs to there children and blowing themselves up in buses and shopping malls they'll have peace.
You never answered my question either.
Since when does the Israeli navy (a military branch) conduct law enforcement operations in international waters? The Israeli Navy, by seizing a foreign flagged vessel without a statement of no objection (did the Israeli's even consult the Antiguan government?) actually committed an act of war. Has Israel declare war on Antigua?
Before you all start screaming that Israel has a right to defend itself - I will not deny that fact and wholeheartedly agree. But to do so without proper authority, jurisdiction and diplomatic relations (permission) is an act of war.
On the surface, without any more facts, this has all the earmarks of a paranoid, bullying nation acting independently, without the agreement of the international community (sound familiar - North Korea, Iran, etc). Again, this sounds fishy without all the facts.
#19 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:31 AM ESTI doubt that Antigua has any objection to any country stopping it's flag from being abused. Antigua doesn't ship arms. And in case you haven't noticed, Hamas has been at war with Israel for many years now. Would you say that Iran is committig an act of war by shipping arms to Hamas to be used against Israel? Should Israel just stand by and let the shippment be delivered?
it is indeed legal for navies to search and perhaps seize unlawful military arms shipments. Iran is a member of the UN and is Isreal and weapons shipped from Iran to para-military groups (Hezbollah is such a group) that is responsible for attacks outside their own country is within the right of Israel to stop. Both Hama's and Hezbollah have been responsible for military attacks inside the nation of Israel.
As I said, lets find out all the facts. The information presented in the article did not give any valid reason as to why the Israeli Navy should seize a shipment of weapons from a vessel that is flagged under a nation that is not hostile towards Israel. Did Antigua give permission to seize the vessel? Did Antigua deny the registry of the vessel or was there a conflict in the paperwork as to which state the vessel was registered thereby making it possible to declare the vessel stateless? If not, even if the Israelis had "intel" it was wrong.
Hey I've got it Israel should just blow the f**k out of Antigua and be done with it!! As far as playing be BULL$H*T COMMUNIST U.N. RULES in war there are no rules, it's stop the bad guys period. I'd much prefer arms shipments be seized than a ground war started!!
Fred needs counseling.
even if the Israelis had "intel" it was wrong.
Evidently not.
The Israeli Navy, by seizing a foreign flagged vessel without a statement of no objection (did the Israeli's even consult the Antiguan government?) actually committed an act of war. Has Israel declare war on Antigua?
I don't think Antigua would have objected since the ship was falsely bearing their flag. This is no different than the pirates of old flying the British flag on their ship to get close enough to attack another vessel. I would bet that the ship had many flags of different countries on board ready to be raised.
It most definitely is not piracy.
It's an enforcement of UN resolution 1737.
Fred G. from NC - Please get some help and try to learn how to express your true feelings! Please stop holding back like you do!! lol Thank you. You are correct. Life is too short for a lot of B.S.
Unfortunately Israel has put up with more B.S. in this world than they should have. As Doug from Indianapolis commented, Israel took the sand and built a life that has come into the modern times. Israel has embraced the future and made advances in science and technology among other activities. In these areas, their enthusiasm and capabilities remind me of the U.S.
The Arabs are so busy with their stupid games and B.S. Until Arab learn to value life and put their energies toward doing good in the world, they will be nothing.
Sheep -
I do not recall that the article mentioned if the vessel was fasley flying (or claimed registry) the Antiguan flag. If that was the case, that could lead to the vessel being declared stateless and thus giving the Israelis the authority and jurisdiction to board and enforce Israeli law. However, it is very difficult to PROPERLY declare a vessel stateless and takes a huge amount of time and diplomatic effort. I really doubt this is what happened. More likely is that the Israelis had intel and they took action and seized the vessel of their own accord. To do so brings us right back to an act of war. One nation just doesn't go around seizing vessels registered to another nation just because you have some intel about weapons that may be used against the first nation. Good grief, think about how many vessels the US would seize on that premise alone! Based upon the information presented, the Israelis acted unilaterally and irresponsibly. Just another indication that they, along with all the other middle east nations, don't want peace.
Yes Skallywag the war mongerers seized weapons that if used would have led to a ground war. Those hair trigger Israelis!!! The fact is the seizing of this vessel prevented war, only a few of you are so biased against Israel that you'd rather the terrorists get hold of the weapons and use them. Then when Israel responded in self defense you'd complain because some of the women and children the "brave warriors" hide behind would get killed.
It's always a small minority of angry misguided people aligned with the skinheads, fringe liberals who think the world would be safer by giving up Israel on a silver platter to the Jihadists ,and terrorists and terrorist sympathizers who get on and try to bash Israel. As I have said (several times in fact) this act avoids war,so what's wrong with that??
We should follow Teddy Roosevelt's advice in regard to Iran. Talk softly, but carry a big stick.
We need to keep a missle sub on station off the west coast of Africa. We can target 80 Iranian sites for total destruction. It would be beyond Irna's ability to counter.
Quietly inform the Iranians the sub is on station. Inform them that if they start trouble beyond their own borders, we'll make Iran a waste land. We'll assume any attack on the USA is Iranian inspired, so they had best keep tight control of their clients and surrogates.
Inform the Russians and the Chinese of the plan and request they help to talk sense to the Iranians. Both know we have the weapons to destroy them too.
During the Cold war with the Soveit Union, MAD, mutually assured destruction, prevented all out war. With Iran, we can use ADI, assured destruction of Iran.
Iran's president maybe nutty, but the Mullahs are more concerned with maintaining power and Iran. A few videos of the results of the bombs dropped on Japan will help to convince them of the destructive power,. and our willingness to use them.
#20 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:39 AM ESTLet's bomb the entire world and destroy everybody! The Russians have the equal capacity to also destroy us. What a mindless post!
An SSBN doesn't have to be anywhere near the coast of Africa.
A single sub could depart Kings Bay, GA after breakfast, eliminate Iran and be home for lunch.
I always find it strikingly odd that most people condemning Israel and those demanding that the Palestinians be "given back their land" don't have a clue what Resolution 242 and 338 are all about.
British Foreign Secretary in 1967, said: "I have been asked over and over again to clarify, modify or improve the wording, but I do not intend to do that. The phrasing of the Resolution was very carefully worked out, and it was a difficult and complicated exercise to get it accepted by the UN Security Council. I formulated the Security Council Resolution. Before we submitted it to the Council, we showed it to Arab leaders. The proposal said 'Israel will withdraw from territories that were occupied', and not from 'the' territories, which means that Israel will not withdraw from all the territories."
And there is this:
Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338... rest on two principles, Israel may administer the territory until its Arab neighbors make peace; and when peace is made, Israel should withdraw to 'secure and recognized borders', which need not be the same as the Armistice Demarcation Lines of 1949.
paragraph 1 (i) of the Resolution calls for the withdrawal of Israeli armed forces 'from territories occupied in the recent conflict', and not 'from the territories occupied in the recent conflict'. Repeated attempts to amend this sentence by inserting the word 'the' failed in the Security Council. It is, therefore, not legally possible to assert that the provision requires Israeli withdrawal from all the territories now occupied under the cease-fire resolutions to the Armistice Demarcation lines.
#21 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:47 AM ESTAnd that's the problem, the west via the UN, dictated how the middle east should be ... creating Israel at a cost to arabs ... AIPAC has made sure we americans protect her at all costs ... I've asked questin once, and I'll ask again, what has Israel done for USA? They prevent USA bizniz selling billions$$ in arms to arabs, Israel has no oil, nothing whatsoever useful for USA. Iran was our best friend in the 60s and 70s, to the dismay of Israel. Israel wants us to be enemies of their enemies. Egypt and Jordan can easily replace Israel. All countries watch out for their own interests
"what has Israel done for USA?"
What have the Muslims done for the USA?
"They prevent USA bizniz selling billions$$ in arms to arabs"
Oh really? What cave have you been living in for the past several decades?
"Iran was our best friend in the 60s and 70s"
No, Iran's Shah, Mohammad Reza Pavlavi, was our friend because he recognized Israel as a legitimate country. Of course, President Eisenhower's administration's involvement in the overthrow of Iran's popular Prime Minister, Mohammed Massadegh, could have had something to do with it, along with our assistance given to SAVAK, which had the nasty habit of forcefully suppressing political dissent in Iran.
It was all about Iran wanting to nationalize the oil industry in Iran. The United States and England came up with "Operation Ajax" and in the process removed an elected government and installed the Shah.
Egypt (exports oil and is USA's friend) and Jordan (no oil, they're worhtless but Israels neigbhor so we give a rats ass) are causing no big problems for Israel, Saudi Arabia is pumping cheap oil to keep West moriband economies from returning to recession. I'm no lover of arabs or muslims. So what is Israel's value to USA that we will shed our soldiers blood protecting her and give 'em bilions$$ of tax payers $$ every year?
"And that's the problem, the west (sic)via the UN, dictated how the middle (sic) east (sic) should be.
The Arabs agreed to the plan. They simply didn't realize the Palestinian Arabs would never cease their hostilities against Israel.
that we will shed our soldiers blood protecting [Israel]
When would that be?
1) a quarter of all foreign researchers in the US are Israely scientist. In a way, Israel gives the US a bucketload of its superior technology.
2) Israel has the highest number of US hightech companies working. More than any other non Us country ( I worked in Intel, now IBM).
3) We gave Bar Refaeli.
4) Bar. Refaeli.
Bar Refaeli, she's purdee , me likey likey her ... hehe...
We have a cluewhen peoples kland was taken from them just because they were under the British mandate. Its time for you to give their land back. The creation of Israel is the biggest conspiracy theory in the history of Human kind.
What? Peace loving Iran?
Let's have a dialogue.
Yeah, dialogue'll do it.
#22 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:49 AM ESTA container ship the Israeli navy intercepted on Wednesday, now sits in the port of Ashdod. The vessel was captained by a Pole and flew an Antiguan flag, Israeli officials said.
If it was a Brass Pole, I'm sure the crew had a very high moral:o
#23 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:52 AM ESTLike it or not Israel isn't going away.
With an idecisive U.S. President and mouthy inexperienced Secretary of State I would be surprised it Israel knocked off Iran's "peaceful" nuclear projects.
I should add an ineffective UN and Nato......They do create jobs however so these are jobs that don't have to be "saved" by Obama.
#24 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 10:01 AM ESTSorry....typo.... I wouldn't be surprised
#25 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 10:02 AM ESTI don't know if it's funny or sad that Arabs / Persians are how they are now.
Algebra was invented by them, so were many other things, many! They were considered the most advanced region in the world.
Now? How would want to live there? The whole region is a back water dump hole. How do you tumble from building pyramids to blowing yourself up over minor differences in the quran?
#26 - Wed Nov 4, 2009 10:04 AM ESTAll you have to do is put on a head scarf, preach peace but give war, be declared by a bunch of power hungry individuals that you are a prophet and spread terrorism all over the world as you enforce your will and ideals by violence against all persons regardless if they are innocent or not and then steal their children to fight your battles as you brainwash them into believeing they will get 99 virgins to deflower if they martyr themselves for your ideals, but this last part only if they are male children. Girls are less than human so they get nothing and should just be grateful they are alive, after all you can stone them if you find yourself wanting to dump one wife for another and the 1st doesn't want to give you up(give you up I'd shoot you myself and say you had martyred yourself as you couldn't find forgiveness for adulterous thoughts).
SIMPLE!!! :)
Edwin,
All you have to do is listen to ultra conservative dogma and add religion to the mix.
They were ultra conservative then and had plenty of religion to go around. The Crusades come to mind.
What the hell happened that kept them from moving forward? They went from advanced to WAY behind!
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