At least five senior commanders of the elite Revolutionary Guard have died in a suicide bombing that killed 20 people in southeastern Iran, Iran's official news agency reported Sunday.
Report: 20 die in blast targeting Iran troops
Seeded on Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:40 AM EDT (msnbc.com)


round up the usual suspects!!!
LOL! Usual suspects?? There was 1 suicide bomber........... he's dead!
Iran has been on of the driving forces behind these suicide bombers in Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, Europe & elsewhere.
It must suck when the chickens come home to roost.
Hope to hear about many more of these bombings, now how does it feel when the shoe is on ther other foot, Do I feel sorry for them, Hell NO .......
Yeah. In fact, I have a hard time seeing how this is actually "terrorism." When people fight back against armed representatives of a dictatorship, why should we blame them? Those thugs just stole Iran's last "election", even though hardline opponents of the regime weren't even allowed to run for office. Think of that lovely young woman, and others like her, bleeding to death on the pavement. What goes around, comes around.
Let's see the Taliban and al-Queda are Sunni Muslim fanatics who regularly use SUICIDE BOMBINGS as a "combat" technique (no one has ever explained how an "army" of suicide bombers works 5000 BOOM!!!!4999. I don't get it) and are sworn enemies of the Shiite Muslim fanatics in charge. Then there's the U.S. and Britain who are trying to keep the fundamentalist regime from developing nuclear weapons and have used restraint in all dealings with Iran and have NEVER USED SUICIDE AS A TACTIC OF WAR. But they say the U.S. and Britain are behind this SUICIDE ATTACK!! BRILLIANT!!
Don't blame yourself, Iran. When you're Islamic, it's never your fault. It's always someone else's fault.
Don't look inside yourselves to see if your people are trying to tell you something.
One thing we know for sure Cheney received 400 million in February 2008 from congress for covert action in Iran, the US also supplied and helped the Sunni terrorist group in Iraq who Saddam let operate to pursue attacks in Iran, The British also have covert operators in Iran, and then there is Israel who absolutely does not want talks going forward with Iran, To say we don't use suicide bombers is naieve, hell we don't use death squads do we , well you might want to ask the Salvadorians and numerous Central and South American countries about that.
The Iranians my be paranoid, but then again its not so far fetched as far as history goes.
Dick Cheney is busy counting his cash and hoping his ticker keeps on kickin' (as in he's retired). As I said the Taliban and al-Queda are sworn enemies of the Shiite fundamentalists in charge in Iran. Also there have been suicide bombings in Sunni mosques so it could very well be revenge. We have no history of using suicide bombings,ever. Do you really think we'd sabotage our ongoing process of trying to discourage Iran's nuclear development? In what universe does that make sense?
Michigander - The above justification is precisely what motivated 9/11/2001 attacks. The men who hi-jacked those planes and the people who organized and directed them believed they were morally justified in fighting "back against armed representatives of a dictatorship".
But both acts were instances of terrorism.
This is very unlikely to be an attack from within Iran. Most likely it is a Sunni response for the recent suicide attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan that targeted Sunni worshipers and mosques.
Shoostari...Mughniyeh...sowed so much mayhem amongst so many others... It was just a matter of time. Everyone sing: "Don't cry for me Argentina..." - 'cause it isn't. Another murderer bites the dust (Some of us remember 1994).
I guess there are things we all agree upon, we hate Iran with a passion, that's what happens when countries burn our flag, and chant death to America .......
Fred, I agree that this attack was probably sourced from within Iran. I believe you've over-stated the case linking it to happenings in Iraq and Afghanistan. I know the Bush administration tried hard to link Iran as the main instigator of violent actions in Iraq, but to me the evidence of such control appeared weak. As to Afghanistan, the notion that Iran is in some way connected to the Taliban/Sunni insurgency there seems completely unsupportable.
What is happening today in Iran is, I think, an internal matter. It is a reaction to the intolerant fundamentalist rule, which the most recent "election" proves is losing popular support.
Palco... I have read your Muslim rantings on Newsvine for months. You are obviously Muslim, Obviously anti-semetic, and obviously ignorantly biased. I am so tired of reading your pro-islam propaganda. According to you, islam is not to be blamed for anything. Look at the conflict around the world. Ninety-five percent of it is caused by some Muslim who thinks he is being mistreated and wants jihad. Find another blog to spread your infidel lies. We are wise to you and tired of your rantings against America, Israel, freedom, and peace.
Palco... I have read your Muslim rantings on Newsvine for months. You are obviously Muslim, Obviously anti-semetic, and obviously ignorantly biased. I am so tired of reading your pro-islam propaganda. According to you, islam is not to be blamed for anything. Look at the conflict around the world. Ninety-five percent of it is caused by some Muslim who thinks he is being mistreated and wants jihad. Find another blog to spread your infidel lies. We are wise to you and tired of your rantings against America, Israel, freedom, and peace.
Palco please educate yourself a little more on Iran and some of it real people. Not the radical old prunes.
I am glad to see they are gettimg some of the BS they are directing to Iraq and Afghanistan
Heard this on BBC...the rush to blame 'outside interests' shows how weak and fearful the Iranian selected officials are today! If it were not so pitiful it would be laughable!
The idea that the 'outside interests' would use the terrorists tactics is lame but it may suit the people they have cut off from communication with the outside World...it will inflame the revolutionists! Another stupid move by the runt and his Ayatolla..
We do not hate the Iranian people---we only disdain the selected leadership who are inhuman at the least!
Won't play on the World stage too transparent a ruse!
ah yes this is the ones that provide funds and training to such people.
They like all who hold power the way they do have to scape goat someone as of course God is on their side and they can't be the problem
It was "outside interests" that caused this. Outside interests that have been slaughtered while worshiping by Shiite extremists most likely sponsored by Aquavelvajihad and his thugs. Payback's a b*tch!!!
Though I certainly haven't read every post, as i browse through there seems to be a distinct absence of anyone suggesting that this bombing might have been carried out by a more extremist group that has either connections to or sympathetic views with the 'Green Revolution' that took place earlier this year in Iran.
Could it be that most everyone has forgotten about this already!?!?!
"The above justification is precisely what motivated 9/11/2001 attacks. The men who hi-jacked those planes and the people who organized and directed them believed they were morally justified in fighting "back against armed representatives of a dictatorship".
But both acts were instances of terrorism."
Not entirely correct dman. Now, it is true, that the same justification was used....but in this case, it was actually truthful. And, this recent act was not terrorism. Military personnel are valid targets. When a suicide bomber tries to kill American troops, it isn't terrorism, because we are military targets. The same is true of members of the military in other nations. Now, that doesn't mean that the same people are not involved in acts of terrorism, it just means that the specific act is not one of them.
Sorry Ringo but despite the fact that the military are legitimate targets blowing yourself up will always be an act of terror,perpetrated by cowards without any guts to step up and fight. The fact that the vast majority of suicide bombers are coerced into this vile act underscores that point.
Sorry Ringo but despite the fact that the military are legitimate targets blowing yourself up will always be an act of terror,perpetrated by cowards without any guts to step up and fight. The fact that the vast majority of suicide bombers are coerced into this vile act underscores that point.
ringo - you're drawing a very fine line here. I would say that even in Iran, with its repressive government and possibly rigged elections, that both the suicide bomber and the people who directed him had other options. You could make a similar argument regarding the actions of the 9/11 bombers, that the United States was favoring Israel against its neighbors and upholding a government in Riyadh, which many Muslims feel was corrupt.
I do not accept this premise.
This type of action does not breed greater freedom, but less. It may destabilize the current government in Tehran. But it will not give rise to a democracy there.
Jalmeno, are you saying that islamics are democrats?
"Sorry Ringo but despite the fact that the military are legitimate targets blowing yourself up will always be an act of terror,perpetrated by cowards without any guts to step up and fight."
Will always be an act of terror? It wasn't before, so why did it magically become so now, Fred? Troops have blown themselves up to take out enemy targets for a long time. US troops have done it, British troops have, obviously Japan participated as well. Just because YOU don't like the weapon doesn't all of a sudden make it terrorism.
"You could make a similar argument regarding the actions of the 9/11 bombers"
Not really dman. I can see how soldiers could be called "armed representatives of a dictatorship", but there is no justifiable way to claim the same of civilians sitting on a plane or at a desk.
"I do not accept this premise."
The premise is that soldiers area valid military target while civilians are not.....what about it do you not accept?
I swear the Iraqi War isn't finished. All the US/Ally troops who died, their appointed and elected Government will turn on us. Democracy there will be a thing of the past. You can't change tribal thinking and history in that region.
It's just a matter of time.
Nothing changes with these barbarians. The people know it is a hopeless, temporary "fix", for us to get involved. They've lived with tribal fighting all since ancient times.
It is better, though with Saddam around, but for sure there will be another one worse to take his place.
I liked George Bush, but he didn't understand the mentality of the Middle East.
It's a start, remember many of the IED"s used against the United States in Iraq had the fingerprints of Iran all over them, as did the atrocities committed against their own people,fellow Muslims, who they gunned down in the streets and tortured to death in their prisons. If one day Ahmadenijad and the top Mullahs disappear into a pink vaporous cloud, perhaps those left in power will remember, they made the rules, others are just playing the game.
JD you're right, I too unconditionally love my country; they're always in right and have God on their side. May all the evil empires and people that disagree with us burn in an eternal hell. It looks like we have a lot in common, will you be my friend?
Dennis-956826
Read my Muslim rantings ? where? when? if all you say is so obvious spell it out . Such nonsense comes from someone who has no argument or response to a statement that they may disagree with, only some ideological babel mimicked from radios of hysteria.
IWonder,
That's ice cold.
But if given the chance to live right now in U.S. or Iran, I'd still pick the U.S. No matter how horrible the leader, they get a max of 8 years.
Hibo:
Who, the guy that sent the balloon up in the air without a license?
Dennis:
Palco could back to where he feels more comfortable. The Middle East Islamists and some Muslims who hate the Westerners, becoming Terrorists. He might just get in trouble there, too for his freedom of speech. He is not granted this right there.
But here, we listen to all kinds of people such as Palco, who don't appreciate their Freedom of Speech in the US, who just blab, because they know their head, and limb won't be cut off.
And so it begins...
Fred G. from N.C.
I'm not so sure Mr. Cheney is just counting his money, I rather doubt it, he is to ideological for that. You asked "do I really think we would sabotage our dialog with the Iranians, and jeopardize negotiations to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons" my answer is ...NO, I do not believe the present adminstration would since they have promoted dialog, but do I believe other ideological fanatics would ..YES.
History is rich in deceit and sabotage, this nation as well as other superpowers and powerful nations have manipulated events for gains in resources, land, strategic positioning, business interest, and just plain ideological reasons.
My point in my original post was not that the above is necessarily true but that it is not so far fetched for the Iranians to believe given Pryor history. As for suicide bombers well like I said above I would have liked to believe this nation never used death squads to torture, rape and murder innocent civilians, but again history tells us differently.
Hawaii2
Again babel from an ideologue, You characterize me in some ideological corner yet you quote no statements or arguments to justify your comments, this seems to be the path of the zealots from the right continuously manufacture arguments and disagree with policy's that don't even exist.
Someone explain to all of us again just how peaceful that islamic religion is.....If you can't find a infidel, a non believer or a innocent bystander to kill then I guess in the muslim world it's okay to kill each other.
Must get really boring in islam not having anyone in particular to murder or maim.
Hey Palco... Am I wrong? I did not read your disclaimer. Can you curse that evil camel jockey Mohamed. I curse the day Mohamed was born, may he burn in hell. Mohamed brought nothing to this world but a religion of hatred, murder, lies, war, and death. Now let's see where you stand. You are the only one I see babeling... I spoke very clear. Let's hear your answer.
I can't imagine why anyone in the civilized world would care enough to blow up anything in Iran.
Build more nuclear plants, and let the Arabs and Persians drink their oil and eat their sand.
Dennis-956826
Disclaim what ? False accusations by you, some manufactured ideology branded to me from you ? there is more hatred and fanaticism rambling from your words then anything I have said, Religions have been slaughtering innocents throughout history for their so called divine truths. For myself I will follow no nation, no religion, no flag, that leads to a genocide of innocents, and do I believe that justice should come to those who participate and advocate murder and mayhem ..absolutely, do I believe it comes from only one Religion or one Nation or one corner of the world..No.
Nation, Religions, and People around the world must look in the mirror of history to understand what sins have been committed by all to bring this world to the state it is in today. If that is fanaticism to you, then you are so blinded any words I say will bot be heard anyway.
Just answer the question... are you a follower of Islam?
Just answer the question... are you a follower of Islam? Are you Muslim? Without all the dancing, can't you answer the question?
Dennis-956826 Dennis do you imagine yourself as some ideological prosecutor ? for the sake of stopping this continuing idiotic rambling, I will tell you I follow no religion or religious doctrine, how about you ? what ideology or religious perversion gives you a justification to condemn one religion over another, when most religions have slaughtered millions through history by fanatics who have perverted their religion to justify their atrocities.
America fighting World New Order. It's name Taliban. Who created it? USA and Europe.
Keep on fighting your own crap, you Black Gold Lovers.
New World Order is living on and on. How much in taxes it will cost my child for some military idiot to create a new gun?
Yea, that's right right!
It's all about new guns, trucks and rockets.
I will quit acting like a prosecutor if you will quit acting like the public defender. You were the one trying to make the case for poor little Iran. That everyone from Cheney to Israel, from Sunnis to death squads abused those poor innocent people. They are a state sponsor of terrorism. Their actions in the world are inexcusable. Their actions and the actions of other Islamic states justifies my condemnation of their worldwide atrocities that are done in the name of Allah to spread their ideology. For you to defend their ideology justifies my condemnation of your defense.
Where's Saddam when you need him?
Boy-o-boy! Religion, whether it's Christianity, Judaism, Islam or even Hindu, they all have a violent past! Religion is the cancer that plagues the Earth. Down with ALLreligion! Some of ya'll are beating up on palco, but palco makes some valid points without being hostile.
Alex M.-539592
Their is some merit in what you say, former Secretary of State Colin Powell repeated some of the same warnings former President Eisenhower warned in his farewell speech about bewaring of the Military Industrial Complex and it being more of a threat than communism itself to the national security of this nation, It has turned out to be true, Powell was warning about Homeland security and the possibility of it turning into a bottomless well of funding and being a self promoted industry to no end in sight. I believe that has also happened.
Since 2000 the Financial sector (Wall Street and big Banking) have drained 27 trillion of wealth from this nation (or stolen, depending how you view it). The Iraq war has cost over a trillion all said a done, Afghanistan will end up being more most likely, the Military budget not counting war and its related parasites is $565 billion a year (more than all nations in the world combined spend on Military budgets), NSA has received a trillion dollars and counting. all said the spending yearly on Wars and Military budgets is over a trillion dollars, on intelligence issues close to a trillion yearly, and the financial sector over a trillion yearly, there is no money left for the American people period.
Dennis-956826
No one defended their ideology, I said they may be paranoid but giving history there is a argument to their fears, that's not defending their ideology its stating a fact of history.
As far as state sponsored terrorism is concerned , there is no superpower, or no western or eastern nation who can claim innocence to such actions, US, Russia, China, Briton, France, its a endless list of nations overthrowing governments, funding terror and murder, causing civil wars , all usually for resources to keep fat the nations concerned, so leave no doubt, the mirror of history reflects many nations in the blood soaked hands of terror.
Palco got my vote
This post was collapsed by the community ? for what, certainly not manufacture information, Hear I'll print it again, so collapse it again so called community of ideas.
One thing we know for sure Cheney received 400 million in February 2008 from congress for covert action in Iran, the US also supplied and helped the Sunni terrorist group in Iraq who Saddam let operate to pursue attacks in Iran, The British also have covert operators in Iran, and then there is Israel who absolutely does not want talks going forward with Iran, To say we don't use suicide bombers is naieve, hell we don't use death squads do we , well you might want to ask the Salvadorians and numerous Central and South American countries about that.
The Iranians my be paranoid, but then again its not so far fetched as far as history goes.
use speelcheck bro.....(manfactured) and (here)......fiction or fact you can cite but truth is another matter
maddog-756501
A lessoned learned in grammar by allowing anger to motivate a post, thanks. As for truth, explain "another matter" ?
The christian saying is "You reap what you sow"
The Muslim saying is " Sow the wind and reap the wirlwind"
Either way Karma.
Chuck-407145
Point well made.
How does it feel , maybe you can get a feel of your own medicene . It couldnt happen to a nicer idiot.
Maybe if the UN and Pakistan push hard enough all those rag head radicals will end up in the ayatolla's back yard to play. Then we could solve two problems at one time with a well placed nuke!
susan-290137
I wouldn't know the felling , never collapsed anyone because of what they said or think, no matter how much an idiot I thought they were, but you continue on enjoy yourself.
Must be a bi*ch when it comes home to slap you in the face.
the "chickens have come home to roost;" "...that which you give out is that which you get back...multiplied..."
Whatashame:
"The chickens will come home to roost", if we don't get rid of the Terrorists who claim they will conquer the world, (the US first) by the demands of the Old Koran. Violence begets Violence..
They've got a good chance. There's nobody at "home" in the WH who cares.
The CIA, other Intelligence Agencies here who superbly do their jobs at pulling out the bad guys (Terrorists) hanging out here in the US fine tuning their final act upon the United States. We can't get them all, they are like fleas reproducing themselves.
VP Biden said it will happen. He's right. When?.
The troops take care of the Terrorists in Afghanistan, potentially in Pakistan, AND what are we going to do with Iran?,
Well, Ahdinemadjad. How does it feel to lose 31 Iranian troops in a suicide bombing in Iraq?
Answer: Same attitude from Ahdinemajad. Who cares?
What a tragedy! How will they EVER replace these men? I mean, murderous thugs are not a dime a dozen! Oh, wait. This is Iran.
More to the point, it's the Middle East.
Gotta throw a shot for the jersey,eh John? The fact that this attack almost certainly came from Middle East (specifically Sunni Muslim) sources can't stop you from throwing one for the team. How about saving it for a vine on the administration? Many of us who despise the administration's domestic policies are still hoping for successful outcomes in the Middle East.
john I see that you wingers never quit with your hate
ha ha ho ho he he hoo hoo
It won't get to Ahdinemadjad, until is the final victim of a sucide bombing or assassination.
Maybe the protesters have taken a page out of Amathingamjigs book to get their point across, their tired of this Idiot and his Mullah bosses.
There they go again...blowin' each other up...Only 30 million or so to go! I wonder if it would be too much for us to celebrate in the streets like they do ....
i don't know why we didnt help them out with a couple nukes...
would have been cheaper and faster.
iran expresses their condolences on their martyrdom? that wasn't a martyr.
who are they trying to fool? themselves?
at least they didn't blame the US this time, yet.
Read the whole article. They are blaming us.
Or at least "foreign elements linked to the United States"
that was in the updated article, not when i posted this.
"However, the Guard themselves accused "foreign elements" linked to the United States of involvement and state television also pointed the finger at Britain, another traditional foe of Iran."
I hope that the U.S. is not stupid enough to be involved in this.
After all the training and equipment Iran supplied to the insurgents in Iraq that ended up killing US troops, I hope the US is behind it. I hope that the US supplied the explosives and recruited the bomber. And I hope that the Iranians can never prove it. Though if they did prove it, it wouldn't mean anything. Mr Nobel Peace Prize will fall back on "I inherited this mess"..........
So what you hope is that this can escalate so that more US troops are killed?
Yea, you're brilliant..
No, I hope it escalates to the point where more Iranian troops are killed and Iran sees the error of its ways and stops supporting the terrorists who kill American troops.
Thank you, you're brilliant too.
Tom, basically what you're saying is beat them at their own game??? Brilliant!
LU
It is really a shame that you would think that under this administration we would be involved. That would BHO hanging is own brother out to dry for murder! That is unthinkable! But iguess your right. BHO hasn't been straight with us yet and he's turned on just about every group that initially supported him, why would he let a thing like starting a war get in his way! I mean when world domination is your goal your gonna have to fight somebody sometime .
There is no way the US is involved with this, why would they be, hitting a few revolutionary soldiers on the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan? Why would we do that? To draw the Iranians in the fight to help smack Al-Qaeda around?? That's something you would read in a bad political thriller novel.
6 deleted, just an unreadable troll full of exclamation points from thelazybum127, that manages to attack all Americans:
7 deleted, AirmanDad insulting them in response. Cut it out.
thelazybum127, you're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
why is this necessary?
because they are dilusional
Why is Iran muslim??? Because they beat out the chistians. We all know religion is at fault here and every where else. Occam's razor!!!
I prefer Colonel Colt's M16/203.
I prefer Colonel Colt's M16/203.
Breetai:
Not all Iranians are Muslims or Islamists. There are Christians living there, many, and also Jewish people who agree with Ahdinemajad that there shall be no Zionism. It is a small fraction of the people. Amazing how they stay alive.
Iran used to be a country of great freedom under the Shah, very educated, and still today many are educators, doctors, etc., still many like the Protestors can't say anything bad about their government.
Few Iranians correspond from Iran to Americans here, through Twitter or another source where they can't be detected from where the call is coming from.
It's the Khomeni and Ahdinemadjah everyone fears. He is the new Hitler of the World.
Hawaii 2
Most of the others you talk about exist because they stay out of the cross hairs of the political world. They are tribesman that keep as low a profile as they can so they won't be crushed. Iran is the heart of persia, the most fought over and war like area the world has ever seen. They have been fighting one war or another for thousands of years. A true miracle would be to get them to lay down their arms and join a peaceful world as a partner, not a conquerer.
The WHOLE reason they targeted Iran troops is because they are Shiite and the people who committed this act were Sunni. And that is the thing the U.S. and Iran have in COMMON it the fact that Sunnies HATE Christians AND Shiites. Al GAYDA are Sunnies so their is NO WAY that Iran would support this terrorist group considering that Al Gayda is SUNNI they HATE IRAN as much as they HATE U.S.. It is just a MUCH easier target now to strap a suicide vest on and kill some Iranians then to plan a attack on the U.S..... for NOW.... So when they say Al GAYDA is a enemy of the WORLD hopefully this made the Iranians realize that Al Gayda HATES THEM as much as they HATE US....
I think it is a little more complicated than that Tom. Up there on the higher end of the food chain the Iranian situation is likely a threat to certain OPEC members. If Iran gets the "bomb" then guess who has the upperhand on setting the price per barrel. Maybe I am too conspiacy minded but heck if you read "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu it tells of how to fight a war using the tactic of conspiracy. Just my thoughts among many others.
Oh and don't forget who bowed down to who when visiting their country not long ago and the two men that were holding hands walking together up the steps in D.C. before him. ;)
And the beef between them is whos the idolator. Kinda reminds me of what Luther taught about the catholics church.
One more time. There have been several suicide attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan targeting Sunni worshippers and mosques. This is most likely a response or a message to "knock it off". Iran blaming Britain and the U.S. is either a denial that the Sunnis can reach out and touch them or possibly a way of saying okay we'll back off (to al-Queda and the Taliban).
Amen
lol lazy bum said listen to Non biased media like China and Russia .. Like those countries will tell every thing.
Its not true that Iran has never attacked another country.They blew two very large buildings in Argentina..,And have carried out many other attacks in different parts of the world,..they are commitinng horrible crimes both abroad and to their own people...The Ayatollahs and the Fundamentalists murderers have to go...
I am actually happy to see this. The Revolutionary Gaurd in IRan has been funding, training, and supplying the insurgents/suicicde bombers in Iraq since it began. many American lives have been lost due to Iran. So they are finally getting a taste of their own medicine!!! I just wish he would have killed more of them.
Who funded/supplied Iraqis to fight Iranians in the 8 year war from 80-88?
What's your point exile? We funded a madman to go after a madman that had slighted us, it sucks, we shouldn't do it, but we do because unfortunately that is the way the world works. You cannot refuse to lie with the pigs and expect things to go your way.
Why exiled star we did, and with good reason too! The enemy of my enemy is my friend when I don't want to be directly involved! That may not make sense to you but in world politics it is the politically correct way to affect violent change in an enemy nation without being seen as blood thirsty or imperialistic. Everyone has done it at one time or another, england, france, USSR, China, Cambodia, Brazil, Venezuala, Columbia, Mexico, and yes the US. We can also throw in just about every country in north and south Africa as well.
Not my enemy arch. Iran hasn't done anything to us. America and Britain have been keeping that country down for years. Violence only begats more violence. Never ending cycle. But hey some people make a pretty good living off that don't they now.
GO GREEN !!!!
lazybum,
Why don't your peaceful Muslims go after the ones responsible for a lot of this mess: Al Qaeda and the Taliban? How much longer do you and yours want to live in a sub-human society, having laws so antiquated to be ridiculous. You Muslims are bringing a lot of this on yourselves.
While I cannot deny outside influences and money have not helped, this argument over leadership has been going on since Muhammed died. Theocracy as a government will not work, never has, never will.
Frankly, Iran is scary to any thinking person. No matter your beliefs, extremism is frightening to any sane person.
Personally, I don't think any of you understand democracy. Oh, I forgot, it's against your beliefs to question your religious leaders.
Teach your people to use their heads for something beside a place to put your "turbans" on.
The whole world, not just infidels, could be looking at anihlation, or damn near it, due to these extremist factions.
Sure would make Muhammed proud.
I couldn't feel you more about your statement.
But I do have a comment about "Theocracy as a government will not work, never has, never will" True enough it has never worked when we have tryed it. But I belive that is part of the answer what not only nonfaith beliving people but faith beliving people need to understand. Why!
A True Theocracy run by any man cannot work because of our greed. It's innate within even the humblest of humans. The Living God (Of whom I personaly belive in),would be the only one to properly teach mankind how a Theocracy can work. And I belive that is why most people of intellect would choose a Democracy to learn in. They are aware that we cannot run a Theocratic government without becomeing humanly personal in doing so.
May the peace of the living God continue, and be with the peoples of Earth.
William(Bumper)Edick
a true theocracy cannot work because you can not force someone to believe
You said it right. I'd like to see a Jew or Christian run for political office in Iran and not get shot at. Here is the US we are not perfect, but anyone with whatever religious beliefs or no religious beliefs can run and hold a political office if they can get the votes. History has showen time and time again when a religion rules the government it is dangerious time for those who are non believers.
The Jews have a representative in the Iranian parliament.
Having a representative and running the government are not the same thing. We have diplomats from all nations here in the US. Even the countries like Iran, Cuba, and Libiya that we are not on good terms with. They are guaranteed their saftey by our laws and if needed protected by our police and federal agencies while on our soil. We welcome all races and creeds to our nation and all have the right to participate in our government.
Well being that Jews are not the majority there I wouldn't think they would run Iran but they have a representitive in the governing body.
Diplomats do not participate in our govenment.
Bad guys killing bad guys, Awesome!
yeah for the bomber
seriously doubt that with Obama in charge the we had anything to do with the Suicide Bombers. However its good to see that Iranian is starting to feel what they have been dishing out. They have killed alot of our sodiers with IED's I pray all of their Revolutionary Guard and leaders meet the same fate. And that they will rot in HELL.
I'm sure Obama hates this news muslim lover that he is. However, I have no problem at all with muslims killing other muslims!!! More power to you!! Keep up the good work!! The more the merrier!!
they should blame themselves, its their fault not everyone else like they always say.
they would even blow up their own people and generals just to blame it on someone else, that's how these regimes operate.
Fear mongering is fear mongering; the regime doesn't matter. Look no further than TSA and our former king = a terrorist behind every Bush. Don't overlook the Department of Homeland (In)Security, more fear mongering. (Under the Constitution, the coast guard should be on top of extraneous invasions. They appear totally marginalized--for political purposes??)
Half of what this government says is incorrect, the rest is lies... any institution run by professional politicians is broken before it starts. In the end, such a government is no better than a government run by thugs. The US is supposed to be run by the people, not politicians. When we get back to that, what is going on in Iran won't matter. Let backward thinking people regress all they want. If their citizens don't like getting blown up, they need to stop to it. External pressure never works nor does any policy predicated on that belief.
The US and the BO in the executive would be well put to focus on fixing the US and stop meddling in other peoples' countries. The billions wasted on senseless war should be supporting medical care for the uninsured, cleaning our water, developing cleaner sustainable energy, putting teeth in the FDA, FAA and EPA, adding value to the US dollar, and the rest of the endless problem list eroding quality of life of those who matter most: the US taxpayers.
In every sense of the word, the two politically inept parties have failed miserably in every facet of public service. Their status as "servants" is a fraud on the public, justifying their removal from office. Forget their Orwellian doublespeak, the Greedy Old Party and the Demorats need to be exorcised from government. The scary part is that as taxpayers you have a duty to remove such rogues from the government... you have failed miserably at that. Turn off the boob tube and read a civics book.
Don't worry the problems won't go away; they will only get worse until the people are running the government(s) for all the people. Then it will be a government of people again, as promised, as granted, as inherited... and the envy of every other society as it once was. What we have now is a laughing stock in the rest of the world.
Yes but it is safer to stay at home and complain about an "enemy" thousands of miles away so you look like a "good patriotic person" and ignore the 8000 lb guerilla starring you in the face. America has been infiltrated by the real enemy and now it is rotting from within. Anyone who opposes leadership or policy is being put down. The media and its owners have conditioned not just Americans but most of the world to back their "agenda". The hearts and minds of the people is the prize and sadly America has given in to the elite special interest groups and their "agenda". The battle for the hearts and minds of the middle east rage on. The common people do the fighting while the elite reap the spoils. Same old song and dance.
We play checkers the special interest groups play chess.
Rip, Fear mongering is fear mongering. Try supporting your bumper sticker assertions with facts and then offer a logical solution. Your world view seems limited. I've lived all over the world, so I am able to compare the USA to numerous countries and their governments. We are envied and we are not a laughing stock. To suggest I should spend my tax money on healthcare for somebody else, is just plain silly. I pay for my own healthcare. You should pay for yours.
Rip, Exiled
In 2010 you will see the miracle to our system of government. Those elections will begin to change the face of our government with more moderate faces and we will once again swing back towards the center. In 2012 we will see the trend continue and we'll go back towards a more conservative stance. Then the pendulum will swing again as it has for over 230 years. We may not be perfect, but overall we have the best system for remaining politically stable. Only in theocracies, true monarchies, and dictatorships do the people only have violence as a way out.
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I dont think God intended for man to be capitalists. Seems like a very anti God way of living actually. But yes I agree the Constitution if it stays intact is the best way to go. But the Constitution is now "living" and is changed frequently. Power corrupts and Ben Franklin warned of it just like many others back then. Its a duty to keep the government in check. George Washington warned of unchecked alliances with foreign countries(Israel come to your mind).
What an interesting turn of events. Could Islamo-fascist Sunni terrorists be at war with Islamo-fascist Shi-ite terrorists? Nah, that's too good to be true. This is probably just the age old Arab hatred for Persians.
well, i was in the army when reagan got elected, and we were getting ready to go to iran, but they released the hostages, so we didnt go.
maybe we should have gone in there then anyway.
the problem is, they are allies with russia and russia doesnt want our troops on their back door
well, the shiites are always causing problems, ever since Ali died, they blamed the sunnis
if the shiite would just follow the quran, and follow what it says that there wouldnt be that problem.
I guess if all Christians followed the word of their Bible, the world would be much better off ??
Ahh the good old US of A.
BASTARDS! YOU KILLED KENNY!!
GTFO.
If we needed a few simple "elite" guards killed,, we would not have chose this method.
The very fact that they allowed this breach tells me they were not so ELITE after all.
Idiots.
And Barack Hussein Obama is taking down our defense missiles...
Mmmm...Mmmm....Mmmmm.......
Technically, his plan is to convert a fixed-position long-range missile shield into a mobile-position short-range missile shield. If we get targeted by a terrorist, it's going to be a suitcase-nuke anyway, not an ICBM.
The middle east, misnamed as the cradle of civilation, has always been the most violent and brutal area in the world with the possible exception of africa when they traded their spears for automatic weapons.
Actually, you're wrong about that. There had been a time when the Islamic nations were at the forefront in mathematics and metallurgy. The word "Algebra" is actually an Islamic word. You can also thank the Muslims for our base-10 numbering system as a replacement for Roman numerals.
It wasn't until the religious nuts took over that their culture stagnated. Christianity went through an anti-science Dark Ages too (and many Christians would like to return to a time where the Church could suppress science and innovation.)
A reason the framers demanded separation of state and church, among others.
Too bad the Red States want to unite Church and State. If you ever want to see what a Christian theocracy would look like, just visit the Middle East and imagine cathedrals instead of mosques and you'll get the picture.
Cradle of ancient civilization actually. Europe, more to the point Great Britain and Ireland, is the cradle of modern civilization having been through countless invasions from the Huns to the Mongols to the Saracens and their Ottoman spin-offs and getting so much valuable input from them.