Absurd.

A Saudi court on Wednesday convicted a man for publicly talking about sex after he bragged on a TV talk show about his exploits, sentencing him to five years in jail and 1,000 lashes, his lawyer said.

What a dumba$$

That country is so archaeic why would anyone want to live or even go there. If you can't talk about sex, they why is the TV station allowed to even show what they did? HUH?????

What a friggen dog and pony show. This guy will not get the 1000 lashes because he is a man and yet the woman that had a beer in Indonesia (?) will get her lashes. What was it again? 10 lashes or 100? This religion/government is nuts.

And this guy bragged about sex? What will the courts do to the women he had sex with? Will they search them out and stone them? Will they be labeled as harlots or whores and killed in the name of religious purity?

I'm with ya, Pure Capitalism.

Ignorant cult leaders always go on a power-trip like this!

No government, no religion, no cult should have this power over human beings!

This is a crime against the individual's right to free expression.

This is a crime against humanity!

Even if the superstitious barbarians believe in the made-up "man in the sky", surely they must then conclude that if humans are this way, then it must be the creator who made us this way?

Shame on Saudi Arabia!

No wonder they need to threaten beheading to gain converts!

Wonder what sex stories he'll talk about after his 5 years in an all male Prison????

Fives years in jail and 1,000 lashes is only going to give him more to brag about.

Can you imagine the punishment Wilt Chamberlain would have received?!

even when sex is discussed on tv there is still nothing on!!!

It wasnt just sex... He was bragging about committing adultry! SEVERAL times. The reason for the harsh punishment is so that he suffers in this life rather then suffering in Hell in the next.

The religion of peace shows its true face again! Of course if you live in Saudi Arabia maybe you should know this could happen!

That's good, "Proud non-arab muslim"; I will whip him now so he doesn't suffer in Hell. I also make my wife wear drapes because I respect her so much. I also don't let my wife drive because I don't want her to get hurt.

I also execute women who get raped because....... wait, why do I do that again? Oh that's right, Americans are sex obsessed infidels.

He talked about it SEVERAL TIMES!! SEVERAL TIMES I SAY! NOT JUST ONCE, BUT SEVERAL!

That's awesome.

Proud Non-arab muslim

What?

1000 lashes is a death sentence. the 5 years in jail is just where they will keep him while his executioner gets in better shape.

JDexter - so very true. there would go almost all the TV stations, movies and theaters would shut down, there wouldn't be enough prisons so it would be house arrest for 2/3 of the nation.......oh...no politicians to run the government and wall street would collapse....lol

What does that have to do with anything,DJ? I AM AN INDEPENDENT!! If I seem to harp on the liberals more than conservatives it's because liberals are in charge, more annoying and more dangerous right now!!!

Why is this news? But since it is .....................after he recieves his 1000 lashes there won't be nothing left of him to serve any jail time. What strange religious beliefs they have. And the one women drinking a beer...........................How many lashes????? Silly, silly people.

Good thing for Letterman that we don't have that law here......

It's a good thing for both political parties, that we don't have this punishment. Just in the last 5 years Congress would be missing a lot of members, committee chairpersons, and devote examples that we should live by their lead. We would be lost in the wilderness. There are enough examples of misconduct in each party, so don't take this as an insult to one group, although one party has recently received a lot of negative press for the actions of some Senators and a Governor or two. Let's not forget that John Edwards is a DAD......

Wow.. it is really sad that you are all ok with adultry. I pray to God that the rest of the USA doesnt deevolve into your thinking.

Proud, no one is ok with adultery, but we have a party of the most devote who have been adulterous. Congressmen, Governors, former Pastors of Mega Churches, men who scolded others for the very sins they have committed. Men who have prayer sessions and Bible lessons while they have affairs with women on their office staff. Of course both parties have these people, but one in particular has laid claim to being the moral majority and the conscious of the Nation. I don't like name calling, but it has been the GOP who have made these claims. If you are going to be sanctimonious make sure you know how to be a Saint. And yes, it is sad that some think adultery is OK, but the religious right have a direct voice to GOD, who immediately forgives them while at the same time condemning a lowly immoral Democrat to Hell. Unless you've been away for the last 8 years, they have committed worse sins, they have killed over 4,000 of our young in a War over Oil and Religion, not to mention the destruction of our Economy. And now, they want to deny us the same Health Care they have. They just want us to make the wealthy, wealthier, and then die quietly. I do like the idea of 1,000 lashes. Ensign, Vitter, Sanford, Gingrich, Edwards, Clinton, would sure be sore as H— LL.

Hey Pure Capitalism educate yourself before speaking out... If you know anything about Saudi Arabia both men and women live in a system that is oppressive when held to our standards. Recently a woman who was married decided to meet up with her ex boyfriend both were attacked and both were raped on top of that both were put on trial but U.S. media only covered the woman's side of the story. Enough of our own gender biases favoring women in our country... so because some countries favor men they are wrong and insensitive but when countries favor women they are enlightened???? That makes no sense and is pure hypocrisy!!!!!

Hey, Proud Non-arab muslim, I don't approve of adultery. I think it is an affront to both decency and God (if you made a vow before him). I also don't approve of my 5 year old eating his boogers. But that doesn't mean he should be whipped to death.

So, what do you really think about executing women who are raped? It is done at the behest of clerics with the approval of the general population, but what do you think about it?

Just a stab, but you aren't from there are you? Probably from somewhere on our own East coast. If you ever make your way out there for your hajj, take a woman with you and see what she thinks.

I don't care if people feel differently than me, but you need to fess up to it. My stepmom is a Christian, but she can't bring herself to flat out tell someone that if they don't believe what she believes, they are going to burn in Hell forever and ever Amen. She wants to sugarcoat it because she knows that around half of the people that she talks to will be turned off by such harsh speech.

Just fess up. If you think women should be executed for being raped, just say it, that's fine.

One last thing, I can't stand listening to some Imam from Connecticut, or a cleric from Oklahoma City telling people what a peaceful religion Islam is. Quite frankly, if you weren't born, raised, and indoctrinated into the culture from birth, you are still an outsider looking in.

I love the Philadelphia Eagles, but no matter how bad I want to be one of them, I will never be.

How does someone administer and/or receive 1,000 lashes? That much whipping all at once will kill him if there enough people available to take turns administering them.

Punishment should be justified and reasonable. This is idiotic.

Get with times ... umm let me read this first... and then I will let you know when they will get with the times

In 1 Samuel 15, God says, "Go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

What?

How did you jump to potty mouth? The man is going to get 1000 lashes. If you don't like vulgar comedians, change the channel and teach your kids better. I do. I know it's hard, one moment you are watching a family show the next you are looking at a woman in a bra and panties.

Dex -

Yes, I can change the channel,yes, I taught my kids it was not acceptable - but would it not be better, as a society, to grow above this type of behavior? At what point do we stop giving this type of entertainment excuses? Yes, we can turn the channel off - but shouldn't we just put them out of business by not attending their shows or buying the CDs/DVDs?

How did I jump to potty mouth? I don't know - it just hit me that a lot of the comedians I have come across have acts like something a six-year old 'potty mouth' would try to get away with. Big jump, I know.

Yes, but does that justify 1,000 lashings by whip & 5 years in prison?

the punishment does not fit the crime, the human rights violations here are staggering by even 19th century standards!

You are both right.

In a free society such as ours, you have to love it, warts and all.

Jaesinn, in this religion and country, yes, it is justified. Do you find it horrifying? I do too. But this is the religion that claims to be peaceful and tolerant. Unfortunately the veil of secrecy of the muslim world is being lifted and the ugliness behind the veil is being revealed. In a country that is ruled by religious leaders there is no freedom. Welcome to the real world

CENSORSHIP is the total removal of Freedom of Speech and the tool of Tyranny and Dictators. It is just another example of our countries HYPOCRISY'S that we consider them allies--like we use to lookthe other way towards APARTHEID-otherwise known as the enslavement of the African People. If we are so intent on bringing Freedom to the middle east that we're killing our own people in our Invasions of their "bad: countries, we should invade Saudi for denying Freedom of Speech to it's Citizens. Do you really know what horrors of torture and punishment exist in this world, Miss Prude? Death, mutilation, rape for punishment of crimes we give fines for if anything in this country.

I think he should just go on Letterman and apologize!!!

LOL!

Alvin,
We are not over there to give them freedom. We were attached by people who's group members were living there, the freedom part is just an extra.

Your conclusion says more about your uncomfortableness about your body than about the extreme laws of religious totalitarian regimes.

This guy was asked, in a private setting about his life experience. I assume he told the truth. The man told the truth. he was not making jokes, and did not even know he was being recorded.

This is a society abusing its citizens. This is bully dictators hiding behind the veil of religion.

The laws of Saudi Arabia have nothing to do with spirituality, or godliness, or even goodness. Its is the powerful preying on the weak. Islam is extortion of the goodness of life.

We can only hope that the subjugates people under the boot of unholy Islam will awake to the lies and overthrow the evil rulers.

This is not religion, it is sadism and brute force against those who merely speak the truth.

Once again, the powerful maintain their control over the people with superstition, lies and fear.

Pure Capitalism, Any religion that promotes violence and does not tolerate freedom for all not just men, then I'm afraid that isn't a real religion! The so called veil you say that is now being lifted? Little news flash for ya, it got lifted on September, 11, 2001!!!!!! Pardon my cynicism but I am in the real world and plan on staying in it!!!!

Jaesinn, I hope I did not offend you. I agree with you about tolerance and religion. I am former active duty 101st Airborne and currently in the National Gaurd, I am well aware of 9-11 and the results of the attack. The comment of welcome to the real world was more of a general comment. I think the veil has not yet been completely removed and there is further ugliness behind it we have yet to see.

I apologize Pure Capitalism, 1st I commend you and thank you for your service to our great country, I think I may have been a little upset from some of the un-thought about remarks that were posted! I totally agree that America in recent times has begun to see the ugliness of the world, but I believe that American citizens have seen what lays across the Red Sea in that we know what these people think about us because of their so-called religion, and I am in now way talking about the Muslim nation in whole, I am talking about the radicals that are raised to hate! Now you yourself and our men and women serving over seas might see a little more than us here in the U.S., of course those in the trenches see more, but believe me when I say there are those of us here in the U.S. well I know myself anyway I don't read into everything I see in the news regarding the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan. Well I guess what I'm trying to say is that your right there is a veil, but this veil is at different heights for different people, you know what I mean? One person could look at the veil with a little moe transparency than others, I hope that makes sense to ya! LOL!

Good Luck to you and thank you for your service to the U.S.

Thank you Jaesinn. And yes, I agree that there are different levels of the veils transparency for different people. I was raised to be tolerant of others, yet stand for those who cannot stand for themselves. I will do my best to provide support for those that dont know they have the right to stand for the freedoms that have been denied them.

You're welcome, its my honor to serve.

Although people in this country have the right to say almost anything, I still find TV Land comedy to be the best. One night not long ago, I watched a Red Skelton special. Funny even after all these years, and not a single beepable word.

Thank you.

In other words, he should'nt be talking about sex while over there.

Ya think!

It wasnt just sex... He was bragging about committing adultry! SEVERAL times. The reason for the harsh punishment is so that he suffers in this life rather then suffering in Hell in the next.

Sounds like a religion in need of the forgiving grace of the ONLY true Son of God...Jesus Christ....everything else is just hollow imitation. Jesus Christ's blood was shed for just this type of cause. No need to suffer in hell in the next life if you repent and give your heart to Christ in this one. Christ mercifully took the lashes for me while here on earth. Nice to see though...that they didn't behead him. (Which they could have for the sake of the next life, I'm sure. LOLOL).

Is it a monthly flogging or do they administer it all at once? If it's monthly, I don't know how long it will take for scar tissue to build to the point where he won't feel a thing.

It wasnt just sex... He was bragging about committing adultry! SEVERAL times. The reason for the harsh punishment is so that he suffers in this life rather then suffering in Hell in the next.

Well put David!!!!!!!

Very well put David.. I live in Las Vegas and have many female friends that are strippers, they said the creepist and most obscene lewd customers are middle eastern men. Hippocrates.

Right on. The lack of self-control for males in the Islamic world is amazing. They cover the women because they can't control themselves. They punish women for being victims of rape. This isn't a religious values discussion, this is a pull your head out and get a clue discussion!

And the rulers in this country are the people who GWB and his elite family befriended????? OK!! Now I understand.

Actually, they are the ones that Barry Hussein Obama reverently bowed for...

What do the women suicide bombers get ?

72 virgins ?

Ever wonder why the 72 candidates are virgins ? Could you imagine the mixed bag that you may get ? Geesh ..

I'll just take a cold shower .. Thanks but no Thanks

"..their ideas of right and wrong...."

I certainly do not wish to live under Muslim law. However, the sad thing is that our culture is losing any idea of what is right or wrong.

Why should we take a tougher stance on them? All they want to do is destroy the western way of life. If we did step it up, it would just further their beliefs that we are infidels and to praise allah, they will kill, destroy us. let me ask you this? Why dont the people of these countries take a tougher stance? Do it yourselves. We are sick of trying to impress human rights on people who treat women like property. When those women stop acting like property and stand up to the abuses themselves, maybe then the pyscho nut bag religious fanatics will have had enough (or be killed). I highly doubt this guy will ever get his 1000 lashes. Some lawyer will get him off, he will pay a fine to a local sheik or ruling mullah and it will all get swept under the rug. You watch, thats my prediction.

They cannot have a cup of coffee in public with a strange woman but they can have crazy sex with them in private? And then afterwards the man can say she seduced him , she will be labeled a whore and stoned to death and he gets off scott free. Tell me again how that works? Did I get that right?

Why don't the people of these countries take a tougher stance?

Why would the people take a tougher stance? The women have no rights to take a tougher stance and the men are certainly not going to change the way things are. They like the power they have!

If people who care don't do anything about it, who will? Women are beaten, stoned, drowned, and other things over there for the simplest of "offenses." Do you have any idea how hard life is for them? Do you really believe that they can "save themselves" by standing up to their abusers? The oppressed cannot always take a tougher stance and bring change. Sometimes they need someone's help.

Insmom, my response was to Jaesinns comment. Just to let you know.

Pure Capitalism and hsmom,

Can we take a tougher stand in the U.S. where women can falsely accuse men of rape and destroy their lives but not face any criminal proceedings? Can we take a tougher stand on false accusations of domestic violence that alienate father's from their children? Can we take a tougher stand on women who kill their kids even though fathers warned courts and law enforcement repeatedly that the woman was a risk to the children but the courts were biased against men and awarded custody to the women? I mean two wrongs don't make a right PERIOD!!!! You talk about how bad it is in Saudi Arabia for women but completely ignore how bad the U.S. is on men. So my advice is clean up your house first and then after that is done help your neighbor clean up theirs.

We could, but this article is about a man in Saudi Arabia. Lets keep our comments relevant to the subject.

I completely agree with you otherwise.

SO not funny

It's my penis. I just can't help myself.

As I started to read your post it was sounding very well said but you ended with a very stupid remark!!

Jaesinn, I am sorry that I offended you. I can see why some would take offense to the last comment. But, I do believe that the male sex drive has caused a great deal of pain and unhappiness in society. Think of all of the broken homes, wars and bar fights that have resulted from the effects of testosterone on the human brain. I am not saying that women are perfect or never to blame, but it does seem that it would be a more peaceful planet if men weren't so interested in control, power and sex. Just look at what men in the middle east have done to women. I often laugh at a joke made by Robin Williams, "God gave men a penis and a brain and only enough blood to supply one at a time." I admit women definitely have our faults, too. Most of women's faults revolve around trying to secure the best future for our children.

LONG LIVE THE SHLONG!!

elizabeth66

But, I do believe that the male sex drive has caused a great deal of pain and unhappiness...

It's also caused a great deal of pleasure if the man knows what to do with it.

Sounds like you've missed that side of it.

And how would you like it if I said:

But, I do believe that the female mood swings have caused a great deal of pain and unhappiness...

I think both statements are true, to a certain extent, but I bet one of them really pisses you off!

We are animals and will never stop wanting power, money, or sex. Its what makes us who we are. All animals want those things. Intellect does separate us from the other animals. Learning to balance those things in our life also makes us who we are. Sorry you think that the penis was the biggest mistake, hope you don't teach your children that. I happen to like mine and so does my girlfriend (grin).

No, I would definitely agree with you that female mood swings are a huge problem...also, caused by sex hormones. By the way, I have a great sex life..... thank you for your concern. I just wish thoughts of sex didn't have to occupy so much of men's time and energy and therefore sexual images occupying so much of our society... billboards, movies, TV, video games, magazines.... I am trying to raise young children. I would like them to become decent human beings, not self-serving pleasure mongers who have no morals or sense of commitment.

We are intellectual beings, why don't we give up a little of our animal tendencies. I know a conserative is always bashed on these sites. I don't know why I even try to have a discussion here. I guess the divorce rate, STDs, drug abuse rates....speak for themselves.

Wow elizabeth, it took me so long to write my post that all those other people posted as well. Gee, what about the women that have caused pain and grief to men in this world? From Jezebel and Cleopatra to Mata Hari and Eva Braun. Even Kate Goesslin (shudder). Turn your statement around and the same could be said for women.

You dont have to give up morals to enjoy sex. Use good judgement. Too bad the TV shows today have no moral grounds. Every show you watch has sexual conotations and underlying themes. Its quite sad. I too am conservative but dont feel bashed on here. Be free to speak your mind. Its what America is all about.

"YAWNS" walking out the door. I'm out of here. "Slams DOOR" dang touchy momma LMAO.

Elizabeth, Apology accepted! LOL its not that I was offended cuz it takes a lil more than that, its just after reading the first half of your post I sort of expected a little more at the end. But you are right there is a lot of male testosterone in this world and its just human nature, just like it is in a woman's nature to kind of always be a little motherly towards certain situations. With that said though this human cruelty going on in these Arab countries goes way beyond male testosterone! its just pure fear of leadership coming from a woman in their society, they truly believe that only a man can make the right decisions, and only a man knows what is best for everyone and anyone.

Jaesinn. You are a credit to your gender. Elizabeth

Oh Elizabeth66 spoken like a true unlightened feminist!!!! Oppression is propagated by both men and women around the world. You think that only men in the 50's and 60's were racist? No!!! Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meyer sent many young men to invade territories in recent years and there have been plenty of blood thirsty women throughout history. Oppression has nothing to do with gender but more with socio-economic class and desire to exploit others for personal gains.

And since you are talking about intelligence of human beings and biology together let me throw this one at you elizabeth 66 and all feminist here who love to belittle men...in the end 50% of the fault is in your court since it is you women that validate the male aggressive behavior you repudiate on this forum. If women did not go for the aggressive jock or a$$h@l* or the guy who has to be cut throat at work to make the money to impress the girl well you wouldn't need to compete for women's attention so aggressively. So ladies if you don't want us to act that way then not only do you have to educate men but women in society as well and have them begin to espouse different values. How is that for a beginning of a solution?

Yes, men think with their penis, not with their brains....so they let their penis control them.

Nancy, I'll say this as politely as I can to you, Shut the f*ck up!

You related to John Edwards?

Nancy,

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I disagree. Separation of church and state will continue to stand and will never be abolished. I consider myself conservative and am NOT in favor of implementing religious rules to this great nation of ours. Please do not make this about America and our religious beliefs because that is an invalid argument.

What Pure Capitalism said, but with "!!!!!!!"

Thanks Edwin ^5

Sorry, BLS is absolutely correct.  The republican party as it stands today would love to be able to put Americans in this very position.  The intellectual wing has left the building, so to speak.  You can't claim to be the "party of individual freedom" while simultaneously fighting a culture war.  The two are mutually exclusive.

Oh, and free-market fundamentalism is no more valid than Islamic fundamentalism. 

Brad the Ipaler...lest you forget, this country was founded on conservative ideals. We have only recently began to slip into a mirky quagmire of liberal smut and anything-goes mentality. It's no wonder that we are hated by so many in the world. Gone are our morals, values and work ethic. Our (lack of) culture is infiltrating the airwaves and offending other nations, where they are much more conservative than any of our so-called right-wing extremist and we wonder why they want to anilate us? Take a global look at what conservative nations must feel about our gluttony, greed, lust, pride.....are we so loveable?

Brad you are a complete cornhole. Never in the history of the Conservative political parties has any of them ever sent down a punishment of 1000 lashes for anything.

It's cornholes like you that make working together impossible.

Brad, I think you wrong. Either that or you are so blinded by the left that you actually believe that.

You conflate a number of things that I would not. Pride and lust are things that as Americans, we are free to explore. It's great if you want to teach your children about their inherent pitfalls, but we can never outlaw them in a free society. I take a lot of pride in my work, and if some religious nut wants to condemn me for that we are going to have a problem. I'm also full of lust and wouldn't have it any other way.

This is not to say that I don't have a strict moral and ethical code by which I live. It's just a little different than what the Taliban (and apparently you) would have me believe. If we are free, this matters not at all as long as my actions don't directly hurt others or infringe on their freedom to act as THEIR morals direct them.

You say that these ultraconservative nations are more conservative than our own right wing extremists. I don't see that much of a difference. You also say that they look at our values and are horrified. So your solution is that if we become more like them, maybe they won't hate us as much? Sounds like appeasement to me. American conservatives are always claiming that liberals want to appease terrorists. I can see nothing more appeasing to them than stifling our freedoms in the hopes that they like us better. Even if we did, they would still hate us.

I don't care what ultraconservative muslims (or christians) think of my lifestyle. It's not for them to judge. And that, my friend, is freedom.

Edwin, they would if they could.

BLS-744466,

Your statement is about the most ignorant thing I have ever read on Newsvine. Conservatives are not the party that the Islamic terrorists identify with, it is the Dem's party platform that is much closer aligned to their cause. Also, looking at recent history you will find it is the leftists, Socialists and Communists who have caused most of the human terror, death and destruction of the last 100 years or so. The Communist platform is only a little bit different from the Democrat Party platform. If you don't believe me look it up.

How in hell can you relate any of that to conservatives in the United States? What a kool-aid drinking doofus.

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Edwin,

Thank you for your brilliant assessment of me. Unfortunately, you are wrong. I love men. I have two sons and a kind husband. I believe that many of men's and women's unsavory behavioral characteristics as humans, boil down to our animal instincts that are uncontrolled by our frontal lobes.

That is not what your comments said or implied. You made it very clear that everything that is bad in the world is the fault of men.

When someone points the finger at me and tells me it's my fault b/c I have a penis. There is no other way for me to take it other than that person hates men.

My grandmother had kids and clearly hated men.

Edwin,

I think there is much more to men than a penis. When I said that sometimes I think the biggest mistake was the penis...I did not mean to imply that I thought the biggest mistake were "men." I am not a vagina and you are not a penis. The days of needing to go around and "spread your seed" are long gone. That is why such a strong sex drive existed in men, the world needed to be populated. Now we are overpopulated, draining our resources and ruining our planet...what to do with that voracious male sex drive???? I don't know.

Maybe your Grandmother didn't hate men, but rather hated the dependent, inferior position she was placed in by men??? I don't know, just guessing.

I do agree...this world is overpopulated. And most, not all of them, but most men are rapists and sex offenders.

I don't hate men either, it's just that I noticed a lot of men just cannot control themselves by their sex drives....so maybe they can get some of their male hormones removed.

Nancy,

I don't agree that most men are rapists and sex offenders, but their sex drives have definitely gotten them into a heap of trouble and made a laughing stock of our government. Just ask...Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Mark Sanford, Elliot Spitzer......and those are only some of the lastest ones.

Nancy. You can't say "most men are rapists and sex offenders." and then say "I don't hate men either". One counterdics the other.

elizabeth66. You want to solve over population? Then increase the male sex drive. We are very very good at one thing; Killing each other.

Proof?

Name 5 famous "peacenics" faster than you can name 10 famous "war mongers".

Edwin,

Interesting concept. There are some historians who believe that war, famine, plague and natural disasters serve a purpose to decrease overpopulation. But as a caring human being, I hate to see innocents suffer at the hands of war mongers, famine, infection and mother nature's wrath.

The problem is not that men have sex drives. The problem is that we have a culture so wrapped up in superstition and pseudo-morality that we just don't deal with it in healthy ways. There is nothing wrong with having sex. I enjoy it frequently and I'm not the least bit ashamed of that fact. Quite frankly, it's none of our business if our politicians are screwing everything that moves. It doesn't make them bad, it makes them normal. Suppressing one's sex drive is unnatural, and leads to aberrant behavior. Just look at Catholic priests as one glaring example.

Frankly, I don't care if my leaders are being serviced under their desks. I would worry more about leaders who are not having their needs met. Those guys are capable of anything.

Nancy. You can't say "most men are rapists and sex offenders." and then say "I don't hate men either". One counterdics the other.

I don't hate men....this is just common knowledge, and you may have noticed it in criminal court cases, that it is mostly men who do sexual crimes....yes there are women who also do crimes as well, but there are reports and statistics that it is mostly men who are doing the sexual crimes and are considered criminals. Their male hormones may make them kill or make them get into trouble....but I do know of men who would not hurt a fly. :) And Elizabeth is correct in what she said about overpopulation. :)

Nancy,

sexual crimes being committed by mostly men (my guess is 95%) is a no duh. You said most men ARE rapist. There is a HUGE difference between male criminals and men.

From URL: http://www.psychologytoday.com/node/1230

By Satoshi Kanazawa

Why do men commit violent interpersonal crimes?

In every single human society without an exception, men commit an overwhelming majority of all crimes and acts of violence. Why is this? Why are men so much more criminal and violent than women?

There are many cultural universals -- features of human society that are shared by all known cultures. Donald E. Brown provided the original list of “human universals” (and wrote a whole book about them, aptly titled Human Universals) in 1991, and Steven Pinker updated the list in 2002 in his book The Blank Slate. There are probably so many cultural universals (contrary to what Franz Boas and cultural determinists think) because human culture is a manifestation of human nature at the level of society, and human nature is universal to all humans. This is why all human cultures are more or less the same, and there are so many cultural universals. And among the many cultural universals is the fact that men in every society are so much more criminal and violent than women.

As I explain in a previous post, humans throughout their evolutionary history were effectively polygynous, and many married men had multiple wives. In a polygynous society, some males monopolize reproductive access to all females while other males are left out; in such a society, some males do not get to reproduce at all, while almost all females do. In other words, there is a vast sex difference in fitness variance; the difference between “winners” and “losers” in the reproductive game is much greater among men than among women. This large sex difference in fitness variance makes males highly competitive in their effort not to be left out of the reproductive game altogether. Thiscompetition among men leads to a high level of violence (murder, assault, and battery) among them. The large number of homicides between men (compared to the number of homicides between women, or between the sexes) is a direct consequence of this male competition for mates.

In their comprehensive study of homicides, the leading evolutionary psychologists Martin Daly and Margo Wilson note that most homicides between men originate from what is known as “trivial altercations.” A typical homicide in real life is not one depicted in an episode of Columbo: premeditated, well planned, and nearly perfectly executed by a meticulous and intelligent murderer. Instead, it begins as a fight about trivial matters of honor, status, and reputation between men (such as when one man insults another or makes moves on another’s girlfriend). Fights escalate because neither is willing to back down, until they become violent and one of the men ends up dead. Because women prefer to mate with men of high status and good reputation, a man’s status and reputation directly correlates with his reproductive success; the higher the status and the better the reputation of the man, the more reproductively successful he is. Men are therefore highly motivated (albeit unconsciously) to protect their honor, and often go to extreme lengths to do so. Daly and Wilson thus explain homicides between men in terms of their (largely unconscious) desire to protect their status and reputation in their attempt to gain reproductive access to women.

Rape may appear to be an exception to this reasoning because, unlike murders and assaults, the victims of rape are usually women, and there is therefore no male competition for status and reputation. However, the same psychological mechanism that compels men to gain reproductive access to women by competing with each other can also motivate men to commit rape. Predatory rapists are overwhelmingly men of lower class and status, who have very dim prospects of gaining legitimate reproductive access to women. While it is not a manifestation of male intrasexual competition and violence, rape may be motivated by men’s psychological mechanisms that urge them to gain reproductive access to women illegitimately when they do not have the legitimate means to do so.

Incidentally, this is why the death penalty may not deter murder. The logic of the death penalty assumes that most murders are premeditated. A potential murderer carefully and rationally weighs the costs and benefits of the act, and decides not to murder if the costs outweigh the benefits. This might describe a fictional murderer on Columbo, but not real-life murderers, who do not stop to think before escalating their trivial altercations into fatal fights.

The logic of the death penalty also assumes that execution is the worst fate possible. From an evolutionary psychological perspective, there is something worse than death, and it is the total reproductive failure that awaits any man who does not compete for mates in a polygynous society. If they compete and fight with other men, they may die, by being either killed by the other man or executed by the state. If they don’t compete, however, they will definitely die, reproductively, by leaving no copies of their genes. So they might as well compete even at the risk of death; the alternative is much worse.

Wow, how did this thread go from a man being punished for discussing sex in Saudi Arabia to "it's all men's fault"? Plus I got a Psyche course thrown in for free.

I'm out.

S A and Iraq are nothing alike. Saddam murdered in mass and tortured for fun.

This is extreme punishment.

We should keep our distance though. This just makes it worse that Obama kissed the kings hand.

Gotta get that oil, OH! Edwin, at least Obama stopped at the king's hand, unlike your boy GW.

Bush wasn't my boy. he lost me when he started writing me checks for my own money and not paying down the debt.

Ya behind closed doors with the woman's mutilated genitals so she won't enjoy sex... women are only for making babies the men are for pleasure..sick...

One day thanks to our current culture we will be absorbed into the muslim culture and we will be praying 3 times a day. We are weak and they are strong and unafraid of killing for no other reason than a difference of opinion. They kill each other whole sale, I was there and everywhere you look there is death and plotting of death, women, children, target schools, hospitals, food banks, kid getting candy on the side of the road...blown to pieces...god is great they say... yup, it is a great culture.

Those of you who think the US is the bad guy...ya need to leave your living room and go to some h hole 3rd world countries and see how little life can be worth. We go to great lengths to not kill anyone but our intended target, unlike any country in the past or present. We give more aid to more coutries than anyone bar none...every time someone is in trouble, even our enemies (N Korea) we send food and medicine...ya we are real bad folks alright. Give me a break...we have a right to go after those who would kill us today, tomorrow or years from now, to think otherwise is foolish. You either go after your enemy or sit and let them come at you. Defense is a difficult game when you have a large area to defend like say the whole united states... duh

When you never leave the US your brain gets stupid like this:

Ya behind closed doors with the woman's mutilated genitals so she won't enjoy sex... women are only for making babies the men are for pleasure..sick...

1. I wonder if you've ever traveled outside the US
2. have you ever read a book
3. Do you wonder if you stop getting your info from CNN/Fox the hateful would you be able to breath the next day? umm hint how is the rest of the world living!!!

It's clear your dumb. If you read a book you might a chance to survive. First it's not 3 times it's 5 times. Just to make sure we are on the right track dummy.

times a day. We are weak and they are strong and unafraid of killing for no other reason than a difference of opinion. They kill each other whole sale, I was there and everywhere you look there is death and plotting of death, women, children, target schools, hospitals, food banks, kid getting candy on the side of the road...blown to pieces...god is great they say... yup, it is a great culture.

Second pee brain if you remain this stupid no one would want you in their religion trust me on that one.

Third the US have had 285 wars in a period of 200 years!!!!!!!! ummm let me guess who loves WAR and killing!!! I know it's hard pee brain but it start with the letter U** and it's missing ONLY two more letters.

And it's clear you - I was there and everywhere you - you with your high morals would never be part of those 285 wars. SICK

I love patriots. They usually have a lot of intellect and smarts. "Patriots" are food FOX the maniacs.

Finally let's look at what you believe in:

In 1 Samuel 15, God says, "Go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."