Should the U.S. decriminalize marijuana possession?
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Should the U.S. decriminalize marijuana possession?
Should the U.S. decriminalize marijuana possession?
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This is another case of the pharmarical and alcohol industries lobbying against decriminalization as well as the law enforcement agencies who recieve billions every year to suppress it. Lastly, its the biggest source of income for organized crime in the history of the world. These laws were pasted under racist, imperialistic regrimes. They were and are basically designed to oppress opposition to governmental tyrany. There's an old saying in the south. The only way that alcohol remained illegal until the 70's was that the church's and moonshiners voted together. THE WAR ON DRUGS WILL NEVER BE WON BY CONTINUED CRIMINIZATION.
Addiction is a disease and should be treated as such not as a crime problem. The only crime is that it is a crime.
Well said! Look at how full are prisons are and how much is costs to house these people who are not criminals. Look at possible revenues that could help our economic situation. Look at how many jobs could be created. It goes on and on and on. Its about time this discussion is heating up.
MARIJUANA CAUSES CANCER......
Asking is probably pointless, but do you have a source to back up that claim?
Kate I'll bet you know the answer to that question already! :-)
Safe bet, I'm sure. (The propensity toward CAPS was a clue; checking out the user was a give-away!)
MARIJUANA CAUSES WHAT THE HIPSTERS CALL CHINESE EYES!!! It is very racist to smoke pot!
Ohh sorry, weed cancer took over my brain. =oP
Moonstream1: If what you say is true why would the government patent marijuana? Patent # 6,630,507 on October 7, 2003 an anti oxidant and neuroprotectant. I think you are confusing the Bush torture manual with a figment of you imagination. There were no al-qeada in Iraq until after the CIA put them there so again whose torture manual do you speak of? Jessica Lynch: US military also presented her escape as a heroic feat, ignoring the role of friendly Iraqi medical staff in the rescue. By your writing you are very sadistic and delusional, I think you should get anger management counseling, get medicine for schizophrenia. Once your psychotic condition is stabilized and you recover from being brain washed into hating the majority of members of your own species a little marijuana now and then may help you during your recovery from PTSD caused by prohibition police state tyranny. For some, the sadistic lust of power over others through lies designed to demonize people for using natural herbs that humans have been using for medicinal and spiritual reasons for thousands of years is highly addictive.
Moonstream1
I'd like to know how legalizing pot will put money into the terrorist pockets. The only reason it does right now is because it is forced underground. Marijuana, even though it's illegal is estimated to be the number 1 cash crop in this country. If it were legal there would be no reason to buy it from shady underhanded dealers. It could and woudl be grown right here in our great USA.
Marijuana "MAY" cause cancer. Not defiantly does like we know tobacco does. And aside from that and some respiratory ailments what other harm does it do? It certainly doesn't destroy your liver and permanently destroy other parts of your body. Not to mention all of these can be avoided if you ingest it or use a vaporizer rather than smoking it.
Your arguments are weak, unsupported and you are uninformed.
Smoking pot could curb risk of some cancers @ MSNBC link below
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32566687/ns/health-cancer/ns/health-cancer/
Chemicals in pot may help fight prostate cancer @ MSNBC link below
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32474103/ns/health-cancer/
The entire premise upon which marijuana was criminalized is that it has no medicinal value, whereas subsequent experience and research has shown that it DOES have medicinal value. The treatment of many diseases such as glaucoma, scleroderma, and the symptoms of other diseases or their treatment (e.g. chemotherapy) is benefited by the use of marijuana.
Strangely enough, it isn't even legal for marijuana to be illegal! That violates our 9th amendment rights and more. The government can't just say that they want to make something illegal just because they want to. For example, they can't just say that it's illegal to wear a blue shirt just because they want to do so. There is a legal scope of governmental authority, and saying that someone cannot grow and use a plant is beyond the government's scope of authority! They do not own us, and our lives are not a big game of 'Simon Says' ('Simon Says marijuana is illegal').
There are more arrests each year in the US for simple marijuana possession than there are for all violent crimes (murder, rape, etc.) combined. Think of the drain on our national resources! All for a 'crime' where there is no plaintiff!! If someone possesses and uses marijuana, who is the plaintiff? Who has been harmed? No one. If there was any violence in the trafficking of the marijuana, then that is for the same reason that there used to be violence in the trafficking of liquor: because it's illegal. Let's stop the madness!
Brett,
Nice point about the 9th amendment, but the criminalization of marijuana had little or nothing to do with its medicinal value (it remained in the US Pharmacopoeia for a few years after it became illegal). Instead, the racist Harry Anslinger pushed to make it illegal because--as he testified before Congress--it encouraged white kids to associate with jazz musicians, mainly "Negroes"! Check him out (he promoted the ridiculous film "Reefer Madness").
Dupont also lobbied against hemp because you can make plastics form hemp...they were trying to get their petroleum based plastics off the ground.
LEGALIZE AND REGULATE!!! The billions spent on on this drug war have done little to stem drug abuse.. people who are inclined to use are going to whether it is legal or not. We need to educate and get people better informed of the consequences and let them make their own decisions.
The previous posters are correct. Marijuana was first criminalized (for all intents and purposes) in the 1930s, as a way to detain Mexican laborers. Criminalization was supported by William Randolph Hearst to suppress hemp, which was far superior to the paper on which Hearst had cornered the market. Read up on Harry Anslinger, the main proponent of criminalization in the '30s.
When the Nixon administration instituted the scheduling system, it commissioned a massive study of various drugs' effects, to determine how scheduling should be done. The panel strongly recommended that marijuana NOT be scheduled alongside cocaine and heroin, but rather treated more like alcohol: access restricted by age, not allowed for driving, etc. The administration overruled its own panel's recommendation for purely political reasons. Specifically, Nixon wanted a quick and easy way to round up hippies, just as earlier regimes had wanted a way to round up Mexicans.
In short, prohibition is based on NO pharmacological evidence, and has NO rational public-health benefit. Prohibition results in the business being run by criminals, not the American farmer. It results in questionable purity, and the health problems that that causes. It results in easy access by children (who have a much harder time getting alcohol). It results in little or no research into ways of making ingestion safer (smoking anything bears some risks), and prohibitive economies of scale where possibly safer means of ingestion (e.g. vaporizers, inhalers) are concerned.
There is no good reason to keep pot illegal. Regulate, tax, and free up our scarce law enforcement and criminal justice resources for real criminals!
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Marijuana, aka Hemp, was criminalized by Congress at the behest of the DuPont Corporation when it was discovered that hemp made better, and more long lasting, stockings than nylon which is a petroleum based product. Additionally, hemp allows the skin underneath the stockings to breathe.
The Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights were all drafted on hemp paper, but written on parchment. It can be made into paper of all sorts saving trees for housing. The fibers break down easily and do not need harsh chemicals to do so.
There are so many benevolent uses for hemp especially in the medical field. It definitely helps with glaucoma, but also depression and pain.
Our prisons are filled to overcrowding with individuals that committed no crime against anyone else. They just were caught with marijuana. It is time that we cease this prohibition as we did with alcohol. All we are doing is creating more criminals (according to the "law") and curtailing the availability of a natural medicinal substance that could benefit many.
We're telling kids that pot is as dangerous as meth and heroin, then they try pot and realize "I'm being lied to about this, I'm probably being lied to about meth and heroin too, think I'll give that a try next."
Marijuana, not physically addictive, can't OD on it. Legalize it and then it's affordable enough to eat, taking out the harm due to smoking.
Drink alcohol, and you're likely to get in your car and kill someone. Smoke pot and you're likely to forget where your car keys are.
And that is one of the most poignant points made here or anywhere. The press against marijuana is a lie and if you lie to kids they will not believe you about other things where the truth has a much closer relation.
The best part. Heroin was first made by Bayer. Yes the asprin company. They used it for morphine addiction and guess what......Cough medicin.
Guess what else in in cough medicin.. The main ingrediant to make meth!!!! all you need is some decongestant pseudoephedrine pills.
I have a cough lets all go do METH!!!.. What the hell are the pharmisudical companys doing to us!!!
Michael: you have succinctly defined the entire "gateway" argument. Like virtually every other problem with marijuana, the gateway argument is a direct result of its illegality. Marijuana is only a "gateway" drug, to the extent to which it really is at all, because it is on the wrong side of the gate.
Dave in NM, if people keep on arguing the "gateway drug" theory, all you have to do is tell them to do their research.... if you add up all the hard drug users(non prescription) the number of users is less than 1/4 of the number of marijuana users! This blows the gateway theory right out of the water and when you bring it up with prohibitionists they are either speechless, or they think you are lying. then simply direct them to the DEA's website.
If marijuana were a "gateway" drug (which it isn't, living proof here), why don't we hear the same argument about alcohol? As far as being addictive, it is NOT physically addictive, as legal alcohol and nicotine are and hard drugs such as meth. It is ridiculous that we keep wasting billions on pot when we could be using those resources to concentrate on meth, heroin, ecstasy and crack, not to mention the millions who are becoming addicted to prescription drugs.
Drink alcohol, and you're likely to get in your car and kill someone. Smoke pot and you're likely to forget where your car keys are.
Perfect! So true! And you will think it to be soooo funny! :-)
See how many pharmaceutical lobbyists come out of the woodwork for this. Legalising seems to be on the way. Has anyone noticed how many more busts have come down in the last month. In Columbus, Ohio busts have gone up 75% in the last 30 days for smoking, cultivating and distributing. Think that's an accident? They'll use those statistics and say, "See? There's a major problem". But take a look a violent crime statistics and the only change you'll see is a climb in stats.
Hyper-addictive drugs made by man. Legal. Marijuana made by GOD. Illegal. Why would they allow something that not only has a medicinal value but also is a textile? They don't want anyone to have the ability to grow their own, because they are protecting those who have been greasing their skids.
Regarding the gateway theory, my doctor recently told me that cannabis is NOT a gateway drug and that it should be legalized and taxed.
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Pot, the gateway drug that for 95% of users leads them right back to pot. I've tried just about every drug made. and yet pot is my only liking, same with many people I know
I haven't smoked any in well over a decade, mainly because of the draconian laws.
Pot was the gateway drug for me. It led to eating things that barely qualified as food, like Twinkies and HoHos.
That's funny Man !
Moonlight may need to puff puff pass and hit the twinkies hard to get over the combined delusions he or she's suffering.
I have freinds who self medicate (I live in Cal - so legal... according to the state), and it seems to help them temendously with adult ADD and bipolar, and increases appetite, which is great for those going through radiation treatment, etc. If you can grow it yourself, you should be allowed to smoke it/use it in the privacy of your own confines. I also say allow it to be sold and taxed for those who do not want to grow themselves. The drug smugglers are making all the money right now on the black market. Lets let legitimate business owners make that money, which will get pumped back into our communities, and let it be taxed to help fill the coffers. LEGALIZE!
I have a friend (WA also legal) who uses it for medical reasons for ADHD and bipolar. Since she started she has been able to stop taking her man made medication for both and functions FAR better then when she was taking pills. She also has to have a hip replacement and it has helped tremendously with her horrendous hip pain.
I'm tired of our government and people who have never even tried it lying to every younger generation. I know MANY high achieving professionals that use it to relax. Some have even quit drinking as a result.
Imv77 you identified probably the greatest hurdle for legalization. The alchohol companies would lose business. Why else do you think that the bottled liquor association is one of the largest PAC's in existence in terms of $ contributed to politicians.
Why else do you think that the bottled liquor association is one of the largest PAC's in existence in terms of $ contributed to politicians.
I'm sure phrama is right there with them. Imagine the lost revenue for pain meds and anti-depressants, anti-anxiety meds, etc.
Alcohol KILLS 150,000 Americans every year, and addicts 15% of those who use
Cigarettes KILL 450,000 Americans every year, and addict 30% of those who use.
Cannabis kills ZERO Americans every year, and can cause dependence in 10% of those who use. Additionally, that dependence is SIGNIFICANTLY less powerful than the addicitions caused by alcohol or tobacco.
Furthermore, a 1999 Institute of Medicine study, requested by Barry McCaffrey, the head of the ONDCP at the time (notice this study is never mentioned either as its findings weren't in line with what the ONDCP wanted/expected), found that alcohol and nicotine were TRUE gateway drugs, and cannabis was NOT. While cannabis was the first ILLICIT drug taken (also because it's the most ubiquitous), it was not a true gateway.
There are 25 MILLION Americans who have used cannabis in the last year. We have 3 million (already full) prison beds, if we managed to win the 'War on Drugs' tomorrow, where would we PUT everybody?!
The VAST majority of cannabis aficionados are hard-working, tax-paying, home-owning, child-rearing American CITIZENS, who are supposedly FREE!! Why are so many of us threatened for using a relatively harmless, relatively non-addictive plant? When tobacco smokers run rampant, and decry THEIR RIGHTS being violated, when they can't light up in a bar? (at the SAME TIME they drink alcohol?!)
DON'T TREAD ON ME!!
And use the tax income and law enforcement savings to get everyone (such as my brother, for instance) on a VA type heath insurance.
Excellent Fred. True as can be. The answer to your question, you already know. MONEY
One huge misconception is that marijuana is addictive. 100% completely FALSE!!!! The reason the U.S. states marijuana the most addictive drug is because of how many users. Think about it for a second. When you get caught speeding they sometimes give you options like stop class. Or if a youth offender does something they give them diversion program. When a marijuana user is caught they have to go to court. They judge gives them an option. Jail or Treatment. Which would you chose? They say its addictive because of people in rehab. Well no its because our court system sends them there and or the chose to go to treatment to stay away from jail. Its a no brainer. I would love to see an avid pot smoker say that they need help quiting. There are no side effects to completely stopping smoking marijuana. Never been documented by a medical professional. Nor has any deaths or cancer has ever been documented with marijuana use. We believe this as a society, because that's what were taught. I was against marijuana use till i got hurt badly in the military. Marijuana helps my pain allows my shaking to stop long enough to get comfortable. I gave me my appetite back, I lost 80 lbs after being hurt. And i can say i feel a million times better smoking marijuana than taking synthetic drugs.
I have also the PH and I can use it in place of or as a augment to MS Contin sometimes, and yes, it helps. It isn;t the wonder drug some people say. I would say that it does have some nasty side effects but so does everything else. I heard some guys with nerve damage and phantom limb say it does some good too You should check out Vets for Vets , they are real good. There are no virgin shrinks there bro. Hey if you lost 80lbs what did you weigh before?
Pot is not physically addicting. Those who use it daily have a little memory loss, but don't we all lol.
I haven't used in 30 days and the only problems are the reoccuring symptoms which I was using it for in the first place: ADHD, depression, anxiety, hypertension and anger at the LOSS OF my FREEDOM.
Cannabis is not addictive!!!!!!!
An acquaintance of mine recently got caught growing 5 marijuana plants in his back yard possibly turned in by an Alabama Power Co. meter reader. He is now facing 13 months in a federal prison for this "crime". He told me that the narcotic agents didn't knock the dirt off the roots of the plants because they wanted them to weigh more so the could charge him with a more serious level of cultivation of illegal plants. Remarkable, isn't it? Law enforcement has much more serious things to do than this- think Meth labs.
They didn't knock the dirt off,. because it is easier to replant that way.
Although I voted for decriminalization, I would disagree with that pot is harmless that was part of the statement. Marijuana contains several drugs and ALL drugs are poisons or to paraphrase Paracelsus, "Toxicity is determined by dose." Prohibition has been a cataclysmic failure every time that we impose it on others: the Harrison Act, the 18th Amendment or the most recent focused prohibition of the 21 drinking age. Prohibition never changes the whether of use of a desired good or service, just changes the where and when. I have one relative who will die within a few years, still in his 50's, due to heavy use of tobacco. He's been told to quit, he has been given all kinds of materials on quitting, but he is not interested and he says it is what he wants to do. That's his choice. And so it should be with marijuana and most other drugs: make the facts plain and let the adults make their decisions. If they want to die young, that's their choice.
I have never heard of any statistically significant toxicity in marijuana. Is the evidence to which you refer publicly available? I think it would be very valuable in this discussion. I absolutely advocate for decriminalization, but I don't want to do so blindly. If there are real hazards, we do ourselves a disservice by not dealing with them head-on. I do know, from several-years-old recollection, that 9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is one of the least-toxic drugs in the pharmacopoeia.
9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is one of the least-toxic drugs in the pharmacopoeia.
This is true. But even if you can make THC in a lab setting its not the same. Yea you can have the elements all lined up just like THC but we lack the technology to put the correct spin on the electrons. Even if its made in a lab Its not even close to the natural properties of REAL pot
You go YotaJosh!!! I would love you to prove that lol. Ill even help!
ive tried that yotajosh..... its impossible... you just fall asleep and wake up feeling rested and refreshed..... Marijuana ABUSE is safer than alcohol USE....
This has been a policy rooted in racism in the 1930's and whipped into zeal in the 60's.
End it. Completely end it. A blanket pardon for all offenses related to it. Legalize and tax it.
The greatest harm resultant from Marijuana is the interaction with the Government.
One economic benefit that I never see mentioned is that if legal, the price would go way down, giving each user hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars a year to spend on cars, TV's and homes. That is, of course, after we have saved billions in law enforcement costs. While it wouldn't solve the current economic crisis, it would sure help. Tax it, and there is a whole new source of income for the government. Instead of wasting billions, they would collect billions.
Also, if decriminalized and regulated this would CREATE jobs by creating a new unit to regulate. Also, WestNet, DEA and other anti-drug agencies could use ALL of their resources to go after the real bad guys that traffic, manufacture and sell hard core drugs.
to imv77 and everyone else reading..... DECRIMINALIZATION IS NOT LEGALIZATION.....if it were to be decriminalized that means its still illegal but small amounts are no longer a criminal charge... just a civil charge.... you get a ticket, you lose the weed, and it cannot be legally sold or bought.... we need LEGALIZATION, decriminalization only keeps a small amount of people out of prison but everything else stays the same.....
Over 90% of people on this MSNBC.com poll agree that marijuana should be legalized and regulated, yet our government isn't listening.
If we ever want to make this happen, all we have to do is write to our representatives and senators, and maybe get involved with NORML or MPP.
If everyone wrote just one email, it would be done. I'm going to write one right now, and so should you.
Fred, BANG! Right on the nose, the head of that nail went straight through in one swing, hope they feel it in DC!. You have facts, you have poignancy in these facts, and first and foremost, you tell the truth! Right on brother. The one thing I can add is the fact that this state doesn't exist because of corrupt politicians, and also the fact the jail is a business, a BIG business. I'm surprised it's not on the stock exchange some how.
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
Well, I wouldn't say it's totally harmless, but as compared to alcohol and cigarette smoke and coke and such, it's the least harmful, (from my observations). People shouldn't be in jail over pot, providing that is the only offence.
I grew up smoking pot, was second in my high school in SAT score and at 50 I'm working on my 5th college degree. Never got into trouble with pot, have worked all my life and am now sending my children to college. Did I try other drugs? Yes, and was damn sorry I did. I haven't lied to my kids about my use and none of them have ever blamed their bad decisions on my use of marijuana. I don't glamorize any mind altering substance, but I believe that folks will do what they want with their life and I always just wanted to be left alone to smoke my stone. I don't believe that "addictionology" is science or good medicine, especially in terms of "you never are cured, only in remission". It isn't cancer for god's sake... I have seen War after War: on poverty, drugs, and on people. No one lives in a vacuum and we'll never know why some people can use drugs without destroying their lives and others cannot. Life impacts everyone in different ways, so let us quit waging war on the niggling nonsense and solve our myriad problems from a sane perspective.
LOL look at the corporate world. I worked in a bank head quarts and got stone with the managers :rofl
I am a hard working person, who has smoked for 40 years, I pay my taxes, do good things for the community. I rescue cats and dogs, and have them spayed and neutered at my own expense. Have been married for 40 years, help my mother. And do not use any other drugs. Have lots of friends. And run 4 miles a day, 7 days a week.
Do you think I am a bad person?? I am not a criminal and should not be treated as one.
Thank you cat your comment made me a bit teary eyed. It is because of the cops and jails and judges who look at you like your(my) sub-human with a big bruise on your forehead rings of scabs around your wrists where the picked you off the ground by the handcuff that my life has been ruined, it is NOT THE CANNABIS that is the problem. Genesis 1:29, US Patented MEDICINE #6,630,507 Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants. The only reason now it is not legal is because the powerful lobby of police unions, private prison owners, judges, drug treatment workers, pharmaceutical corporations and all the other industry that does not do one good thing for one person by locking up people for smoking pot. The prohibition of intoxicating liquors required an amendment to the constitution and that was eventually made void by the 19th amendment. If those with a vested interest in cannabis prohibition want to continue their folly I suggest they get together and petition their representatives for a constitutional amendment, to change the constitution just like any other group of citizens would have do to have that much power over each individual's rights . Until then cannabis (also known as marijuana) is legal. Just don't get caught because there is no judge that will go against the hierarchy of the minority which is those with a vested interest in the police state culture of prohibition. We shall over come. merci beaucoup
I'm sorry they are not the 19th Amendment they are the 18th and 21st Amendments:
The 21st Amendment:
So the states can still outlaw alcohol with criminal sanctions if they choose but the federal government has no constitutionally valid law criminalizing intoxication.
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Although not completely harmless, marijuana is safer than both alcohol and tobacco and responsible American adults deserve the choice