Who has more international clout, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton or former President Bill Clinton?
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Who has more international clout, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton or former President Bill Clinton?
Who has more international clout, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton or former President Bill Clinton?
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It doesn't matter which Clinton is better, we must reflect on the joy of this moment and the gratitude of the family who has missed these two women very much. I think both Bill and Hillary reflect excellent qualities as diplomats. I have always felt that no matter how difficult and tough the leaders of a country are, we as Americans must use diplomacy. I applaud this great effort on the part of one of our former presidents and we should all say a prayer and be grateful God for this joyous day. The families of these two young women have suffered
deeply and it will be wonderful for them to be together once again.
Bernie, thank you very much for a POSITIVE message!! We need more positive instead of people always pointing fingers!! As I have always said to those who are always whining, it could happen to you too!
You go Bill !!!
I agree. While Hill is a very smart lady and is gainning more clout -- It is Bill who has it more (for the moment)--bases on his experience, personallity, smarts, verbal talents, etc -- and the very fact he was a former US President. He showed the N. K. leadership that this issue was important problem (without it getting all "blown up" and it also showed them any due respect they may think they require-- while also giving them a way end this thing & still save face --
Everybody wins here -- without it becoming a "official /international policy matter" (which it would be if the US Sec of State was the one to deal with this directly --
No matter what some might think of Bill Clinton as a person -- He was the perfect envoy for this situation -- as the postive results prove. Let the NK "spin" this any way they like -- the ladies are free and home now -- Thank you Bill! Good luck and god bless to al!
Just voted for your post, Bernie G and agree that your positive and honest statement is more what we need. Enough of unjustified criticisms and hate mongering.
That's the stupidest question that this venue has put out, so far. Of course, a former president is going to have more clout than a Secretary of State! DUH!!! So what's your point?
The real question should have been...does Bill Clinton have more clout than Obama? Hands down...yes!!!
Hey Nancy
the initials for Secretary of State are SOS not COS. At least you know her position. Many people do not.
The real question should have been...does Bill Clinton have more clout than Obama? Hands down...yes!!!
HMMM
I'll add to the question - Do Bill and Hillary Clinton have more clout than Obama
He11 yeah!
Why would Newsvine attempt to stir up some ill-will about this good news concerning the release of the two journalists by asking such a question???? The Clintons are both very talented individuals, and we are fortunate to have them continuing to do such good work on behalf of our country around the world. I still mark the Clinton Years in the White House as one of the most prosperous and successful times for our democracy. The Clintons could have just retired, but instead they decided to continue to help this country through their endeavors. The Clinton Foundation has been doing very good work in health, environment, etc. around the world for many years now. Please don't stoop to tabloid type journalism Newsvine, it does not become you!
sueca, I totally agree with you. The Clintons have served our country very well in the past and continue to do so. May they continue to do so for a long time in the future.
Great comment both Bill and Hilrey are hard working americans who has this countries best interests at heart. Most of the negotiations were done by others Bill was was the individual selected to convey the final message. We should all thank god that we have so many people here that care and continue to do many things to help others. It would not have been in the best interests of America to have Hilrey directly involved in these final negotiation. GREAT WORK AL AND YOUR STAFF
sueca, I also agree with you. The Clintons have always been the best in our administration. They have been there for us, the Americans, in the past, now at the present, and I believe they will also be there in the future as well. To me, there will never be a couple as loving and caring for our country as the Clintons.
HA HA HA LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL......Said like a true Liberal. I have a few liberal friends that have met these people and their little lackey Gore and they are not nice and caring people. What a joke!! Get your head out of the clouds. Like all politicians they care about POWER.
I am thankful these two journalists were released and I don't care who did it, just that it was done. It cracks me up how people on here are saying, let's not bring politics in it and have hate mongering, but yet, we have to worship at the Clinton altar. Sorry not brainwashed. I remember exactly what they did in their administration and how all libs try to give this putz credit for the economy. Sorry economically flawed humans, it was the 12 years before Clinton that brought a wonderful economy and he started the downfall of our economy, now joining him Bush, Jr and the SAVIOR Obama. Get a clue people.
Honestly!!! Who really cares These young women are on there way home to be with thier families. Bill and Hillary Clinton both have great carisma and intelligence. Lets just make this about these two women and not politics for once please.
You are so right Tammy. If we want to talk about politics, why discuss the Clintons. Why not discuss the fact that Congress has added $200 million to a bill that lets Congress buy 3 Gulf Stream jets to fly our loser Congressional members around the country. Wasn't it just 9 months ago, Congress belittled auto exec for taking a private plane to the Senate Hearings. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE MONEY FOR THIS TRIVIAL SPENDING.
Anyway, sorry I went off on a tangent. No other media outlet will discuss this jet purchase story.
Welcome home ladies. Glad your safe.
Bill Clinton is remembered fondly by the rest of the world because of the contrast between his administration and the one who followed him. Hillary will be remembered as the Secretary of State representing the President who brought the concept of mutual respect back to our foreign office. So far they have taken a very business like approach by creating opportunity's using Obama's popularity to open up dialog closed to us by the last president. When her time in office is done I think she potentially could be known as running the most successful state department we have had in many decades easily out-doing her husband.
If you sold what you're taking to sya and actually believe this, you'd make a fortune.
Bill Clinton is remembered fondly by the rest of the world because of the contrast between his administration and the one who followed him.
Island Jeff
Clinton had a 65% approval rating when he left office. YOU ARE WRONG with the comment above because Clinton left office before we could compare him to Bush.
I LOVED BILL CLINTON and STILL DO for so many reasons.
Bill is the man that Hillary wishes she could be! The two woman didn't get out for free the US had to give something up! Where is AL GORE? Didn't they work for him? Glad the woman got out of the jail.
i so very agree. i would like to know what bill had to do with the nk to get them freed. i said this right from the start when i heard that it was bill and no one else. and yes what about al gore. they were his people. rich sob
As much as I want to not like Bill Clinton, I keep being amazed that he is so likeable. Who really cares about the hidden agendas, the women are free and every one goes home a winner. I don't for a minute believe that Clinton negotiated this on his own, nor do I believe there is a sole entity responsible, but I do think he has clout and a persuasive personality. I am not sure that I appreciated Bill as my president, but as an American diplomat he's not bad. I guess I would rather have him as an ally than a foe.
I agree mostly with what you say, but the hidden agenda could bite us in the arse. We don't know what he had to give in return for this. NK would do nothing for free. He probably gave them another part to the nuclear reactor he gave while president. We will never know until we see the bomb at our door. Thanks Bill.
Both Clintons are very well qualified and thank God that we still have diplomats like them. As for the 2 reporters on their way home, a lot of people worked for their release which, fortunately, came sooner rather than later. Bill Clinton's visit was the icing on the cake. GOD BLESS AMERICA!
I think Bill Clinton is one of todays'most brilliant statesmen....Monica Lewinsky notwithstanding....I would vote for him as president in a heartbeat if that were a possibility. Hilary's qork will also stand on its own.
Again, comparing apples to oranges! Great move with a wonderful outcome. Hillary is Secretary of State and let us not forget it!!
Don't get me wrong, I am very happy that these two women who were most likely wrongly imprisoned, have been released. I am almost certain, however, that they would have been released if anyone would have gone over there, apologizing and begging. I just hope that we have not made promises in return. It really shouldn't be about Bill Clinton. He is the luckiest cat alive and always ends up on his feet.
Oranges are sweet and Apples have a heart, niether of these words come to mind when describing Hillary. Maybe Brussel Sprouts and Artichokes.
I love them both... Hilary SHOULD be president and their power would be about equal
Bill Clinton still has it! It took a lot of guts to do what he did! Very few Republicans and Democrats can match his class & finesse! Nor would they put their lives in danger like he did to help these two women! "GOD BLESS AMERICA" ------we still have a hero!
Political clout in general goes hand in hand with the ability to deliver. President Clinton is a FORMER President, however Mrs. Clinton is our CURRENT Secretary of State, and anything she says, represents the current Administration, its abilities, its might and power in delivering... and to me there is more clout in that.
getting these journalists freed is the best thing bill clinton has ever done even though he had to do his wife's job. my hat's off to mr clinton and i'd buy him dinner.
President Clinton did many great things in his presidency. Unfortunately, he made some personal choices that do not reflect the morality that most Americans care for their president to display. However, amny of those who publically denounced his personal actions have been caught doing even more! What a shame, that some don't remember him as a president who cared so much for the US and it's future, that when he left his presidency, there was a surplus. Bush and his inept job performance has been a legacy that we will all be paying for forever!
Yay!!!, Pres. Clinton. Way to go!
(P.S. to all the "bashers": Bush was not the best, Bush was not the worst. Ditto for Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Obama, oh, hell, just pick one. We have not had a president whose one abiding concern was America, and America only, with no concern for personal celebrity or power, since George Washington. They're all liars, they're all crooks, and to think otherwise is naive. Because not a one of them has protected and defended the Constitution, Obama included. But they love the fact that we're all at each other's throats over which side is best - it allows them to turn this country into a wasteland while nobody's looking. Oh, yeah, they're all good little D's and R's during the campaign, then it's over, and they all crawl into the same snakepit and curl up.)
Has anyone notice, that Obama's sorry ass wasn't there? Also what does that say about his adminstration?
that's not the president's job. That's why he has a sercretary of state and diplomats. Remeber Bill Richardson acted in the 90's for Bill Clinton to release hostages from Korea in the past. Not in the President's job description.
The President of the US is not supposed to go to a country that is our enemy. They could be killed or taken hostage. Not to mention that by sending a President that is no longer in office, our country is not dealing with a terrorist country. He went as an individual person (someone that has political clout because of a position that was held), not to represent our current administration. It would be a dangerous position for anyone that was American to go to that country. I would like to say thank you to our former President. I would love to think that something like that would be done for me or anyone in my family if put in the same situation.
Oh please, give me a break. The President of the U.S. doesn't do this sort of thing. You don't know, in fact only those involved know, what went on before President Clinton got on that plane.
To One Angry Taxpayer: Obama had to stay out of this as anyone who understands the critical situation in North Korea totally understands. This had to be done by an "outside party" - someone outside of the administration. No sitting President would ever have gone to request the release of two prisoners. Clearly you don't understand the fragile nature of the world's relationship with North Korea right now.
I may not have used as strong of language, but with all the media attention Obama tries to get, you would think he could have given more attention to such an important humanitarian situation as this. He didn't show up and barely gave it thirty seconds of his time, but he had plenty of time to give to the Gates arrest which he had no business sticking his nose into....which by the way I believe the arrest was justified. I'm not a Bill Clinton fan but I appreciate what he did and the contribution he made to bringing our fellow Americans home safely.
Hey Angry Taxpayer. Could it be that he was not looking for a photo-op like W did so much of the time-------like swooping in on a carrier deck in a flight uniform declaring victory!! What a hotdog he was (is). Of course, as many have told you in reply, it simply is a matter of the President delegating this type mission to someone with the clout and stature to seal the deal.
Hey Angry Taxpayer. Could it be that he was not looking for a photo-op like W did so much of the time
Huh? you are kidding right? Mr. Media has had more photo-ops in 200 days then Bush had in 8 years!
You libs are soooo funny, naw pathetic is more like it. I can promise you Obama is jealous as hell of this situation. He had to beef up more tv time to make Americans (especially the pathetic women that vote for presidents because they have fantasies about bedroom activity) forget Slick Willy. This guy is the only president to go on Leno/Letterman, forget which because I sure didn't watch it and they are stupid libs anyway so Pater, really? I think you should retract that statement because you show your intelligence level. Silly liberal.
W Goin......part of the situation in NK is thanks to Billy boy Cockton, Clinton. He is the one that gave NK a nuclear reactor while he was president. I am sure he gave something else destructive to the world when he went for the journalists as well.
I absolutely LOVE Bill Clinton and though I do believe that his spouse, our wonderful Secretary of State, Hillary R. Clinton, is highly intelligent and should've been our 44th President of the US, I think that Bill Clinton's presence is very comanding. Unfortunately, in many places in the world, women are not viewed as powerful or intelligent, and many times not having the same rights as their male counterparts. This is why I think that in this instance, Bill had much more political clout with the political ideology of North Korea.
The current administration is impotent, and Bill, much to Hillary's dismay, still has a pair.
Well Bill got the job done now lets see if George W. goes to Iran to get the hikers freed ,,,,
George W. can even take Dick C. along for the ride ,,,,
George W and Dick C with their charm and international reputation would probably end up having the hikers sentenced to........I don't even want to think about it. Let these thugs stay under their rock.
Seriously, you really dont think they were just "hikers". Bill will always have the clout. He is one of the good ole boys and when you run in those circles it will be awhile before a lady can step into that same circle. I wish Hillary had stayed out of the present administration. I would rather have her sitting on the outside giving OB the what for than sitting on the inside asking "when". Obama will not let her light shine too bright. It was much to close for him last year and based on his present direction and little statremnts coming from Hillary , I would guess he is in trouble from her next time unless she has just given up and now playing follow the leader like every other good little dem is doing.
Well I wonder what Bill wants for a reward from these gals. Yee Haw!!!
Larry 314720...what a sexist comment. Why do they have to be gals. They are very intelligent youg women. Have respect. Yee Haw!! yourself.
Dude, Cheyenne, relax! Politics is all about give and take. No way did Kimmy give those chicks up for free and no way did our golden boy Bill go allll the way over there for nothing. And Lord knows little miss Hillary is not putting out these days. How p/o-ed do you think she is that her hubby had to go back there to finish what she tried to accomplish not even a month ago...you the man, Bill! YeeHaw with whoever you want! (Takes two to tango, btw...)
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That's like comparing apples to oranges!