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from:msnbc.comA national advocacy group says the number of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people killed in bias-motivated incidents increased by 28 percent in 2008 compared to 2007.
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It doesn't say how many of these perverts were killed by their partners. They forgot to add child molesters to the group. We wouldn't care what these people were or did if they didn't try to rub everybodies face in it.
Sounds to me Dave, is people like you are the problem. You start off with an insult of these people, spewing hate throughout your post.
As for rubbing faces in it, have you watched TV for the last 60 years? It's all about rubbing ta-tas and buns in everyone's face.
I feel sorry for you guy, you must really be an unhappy person to have so much hate inside.
SInce the article discusses hate crimes(if you did not notice Dave ol boy) and does not discuss domestic violence... I think you should cool your hateful jets. and re read the article assuming you read it. On your other point... it is not about child molesters or child abusers so any data regarding that criminal behavior also would not be included. .....No Dave ol boy.. this is about hate crimes... you do understand that don't you?
Child molesters are overwhelmingly heterosexual males. I believe the current rate is 98%. However, I doubt if someone who spews hatred is actually interested in the truth.
What makes them perverts, as opposed to you? Your a straight male, do you enjoy looking at 14-18 year olds in bikinis, and fantasize about them? To some people, that would make you a pervert. So can the whole pervert crap. How can one homosexual kill another, and it be considered a true hate crime, genius? How many woman are killed by their husbands a year? And what do child molesters have to do with homosexuals? Every person I know that was molested, which happens a lot more then you think, was a young female molested by a male relative.
It's ignorant to loop child molesters in with homosexuals.
The majority of hetero offenders outnumbers the gays.
Dave-787408, quit trolling. It's an article about bias killings, not domestic abuse. Not restoring.
This is happening because of the likes of HILTON PEREZ!!!!
You reap what you sow...
Right on!
IS there a full moon???
Who is "Hilton Perez" and how in the world could he or she cause people to commit such horrific acts of violence? Is there any "pervert" worse than a person who torments, beats and kills another human being?
More right wing terrorism, right here in the USA! On with the WAR ON TERROR!
Perez Hilton is a Hollywood gossip blogger and pretty open about his sexuality.
Good for him. Moving on. (seriously folks, don't we have bigger fish to fry?)
JGB
guess you are right since these stats are from 2008..........
This is happening because of the likes of people like you, JGB. It is hatefilled bigots like you that condone such senseless killings and crimes against an entire group of innocent people who pose no threat at all toward you or anyone else. Hitler felt the same way about gays and he also condoned their savage murders.
Kevin-664125; VERY well said, it's too bad that 'BIGOT" killings weren't up 28%, that's the REAL-CANCEROUS-SCUM that ths world could be WITHOUT..!!..!!
Miron, then please tell me how many "Gays'" go around killing bigots??
if a bi assaults a heterophobe is that counted as three hate crimes? the data the article used or said it used has no authority because it is skewed to support their point. moreover, as the number of gladd playmates increases, say from 1999, wouldn't the number of crimes within that sbupopulation increase as well? sexomorphs are just as likely to bash a gladdite for whatever reason as anyone else.
Shame on those who commit violence against LGBT people. I oppose what they stand for but to act out in violence against them is even more wicked and shameful. I do agree with the article's assessment that the violence is backlash against the gay propoganda being shoved down our throats, but in no way does that justify violence.
Really? What, did they come redecorate your house, or something? That the media now presents homosexuals as perfectly normal people is "propoganda?" You "oppose what they stand for?" You oppose the right of people to fall in love with other people?
You can't even condemn the murder of innocent people without implying that homosexuality is "wicked and shameful."
Disgusting.
I think Wooj was saying that the people who killed homosexuals are "wicked and shameful".
Auteur...unfortunately, what wooj said was that those people are MORE wicked and shameful. Meaning that wooj thinks that gays and lesbians are slightly less wicked and shameful than murderers.
Then I misread the quote. Gays are not wicked or shameful, but the people who persecute them are.
No this is being reported so Washington will vote in a bill to protect gay people. They are already protected. When will they grow up? You are not special, you are just like everyone else.
Did you come up with that on your own?
Man you guys put a lot of words in my mouth.
I can't even read the news without coming across some article about gays making a fuss. The propoganda is through the media. "The media represents homosexuals as normal people" but homosexuals are so bent on setting themselves apart as "special" that now, as Believer-699509 said, the laws are in the works to make homosexuals a "protected class" so that anyone who says something against homsexual lifestyle can be convicted of a "hate crime." Don't believe me? (http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/587858.aspx). Oh but it's not illegal for someone to have a dissenting opinion about a NORMAL person.
And don't even pretend that the whole gay movement has such innocent goals as "protecting the right of people to fall in love", the very fact that they intend to make it illegal to hold an essentially Judeo-Christian viewpoint (i.e. Illegal to practically be a Christian) should have clued you in on that. "AW COME ONE GUYS IT"S ALL ABOUT LOVE" and yet anyone who even says something so nonoffensive such as "Look, all I'm saying is that according to my beliefs it's not right to practice homosexuality. I don't hate you or anything, I'm just saying it's not right," that person is met by a torrent of hate. There are much, much deeper things going on than the dross of lovey-dovey words floating on the surface of this thing. It takes an extremely naive and/or ignorant person not to figure out that this is only one facet of an undercurrent of attack on Judeo-Christian values. In fact, the newly forming PC definition of "tolerance" is the toleration of anything that isn't Judeo-Christian in nature while being intolerant of anything Judeo-Christian in nature. Hypocrites? Looks like it's not just "the Christians" after all.
And don't even pretend that the whole gay movement has such innocent goals as "protecting the right of people to fall in love", the very fact that they intend to make it illegal to hold an essentially Judeo-Christian viewpoint (i.e. Illegal to practically be a Christian) should have clued you in on that.
Boy do you have it backwards.
"Look, all I'm saying is that according to my beliefs it's not right to practice homosexuality. I don't hate you or anything, I'm just saying it's not right," that person is met by a torrent of hate.
By saying it's wrong that in a way does mean you hate homosexuals because when you talk like that it "decreases" the gays' existence in society.
Somehow I'm not convinced by your argument.
Haha what? When does telling someone that they're wrong mean that you hate them? Should we make hate-crime laws against a parent telling their child "You're wrong, don't do that," because that in some way means the parent hates their kid? Should we make that a hate crime because it "decreases" misbehaved kids' existence in society?
Or should we make laws against a friend telling another friend "Dude, don't cheat on your girlfriend, that's wrong," because in some way that means that the one friend hates the other? Should we make that a hate crime because it "decreases" players' existence in society?
It's only hate because you want to see it as hate. Sure there are people who call themselves "christians" who go off the deep end and commit violence against gays, but gues what: they aren't living the christian walk when they do that.
And I'm sorry but for as much liberals scream about "equality" for everyone they sure do apply their arguments to people-groups very selectively. I mean come on Auteur, what about a hate-crime bill against people who promote that Christianity is wrong. That sure does "decrease" christians' existence in society (a trend we're already seeing). Why don't you support that bill?
There's a number of good reasons why Christianity is wrong, they keep giving people reasons, but there are no good reasons why homosexuality is wrong.
Again, that's not a very convincing argument. You haven't provided any justification or reasoning behind your words, so that means that this is no longer a discussion. And I won't debase myself to running off at the mouth by making unsupported claims. So unless you actually form an argument with supporting justification this discussion is over.
It's about as convincing as the Christian fanatics claiming legalizing gay marriage means that polygamy and beastiality and pedophilia will have to be legalized as well.
But why not? Don't you see that polygamy, for example, "doesn't hurt anyone", just as homosexual marriage "doesn't hurt anyone"? And besides, if 3 or more people all "LOVE" each other why shouldn't they have a right to get married? I mean according to the gay movement it's all about "the freedom to 'LOVE' who we want," isn't it?
And using these arguments why can't a child and an adult get married? If the adult wants to marry and the child wants to marry then "it doesn't hurt anyone" now does it? Besides, if they both "LOVE" each other then why shouldn't they be allowed to get married and have sex just the same as "everyone else"?
And what about beastiality? I mean crap, if the animal likes having sex with a human and the human having sex with the animal then why shouldn't they? If they both like it then it's "not hurting anyone" now is it? And I don't think you can make the argument about the animal not being able to give consent -- I think we've all heard of the "donkey shows" in mexico, for example. Besides, if it's obvious that the human and his or her pet "LOVE" each other (and we all know a loving pet-owner relationship when we see it), then why should they be able to have sex if they both enjoy it?
The point is that the same arguments for allowing gay marriage can be used to justify other sexual perversions. And if the law is passed because of argument X for group Y, then group Z is going to argue that they should be allowed the same rights as group Y because argument X applies to them as well. WATCH IT HAPPEN.
How many polygamists actually love all of their wives equally? How many polygamists actually love their wives at all? Beastiality is animal rape. Pedophilia is child rape. They are in no way connected to gay marriage and you are an uneducated idiot if you think they are.
Oh but now I get to use another argument used by gays to oppose those who oppose them: Gays say, "Who are you to tell us that two members of the same sex can't fall in love and love each other?" I'm sure you've heard and maybe even used that argument before, haven't you?
But you, Auteur, who are you to say that polygamists can't or don't love all their wives equally? Who are you to say that polygamists are incapable of loving their wives at all or knowing how to love each of them equally? Who are you tell a pet and their owner that they can't love each other and enjoy sex together? Who are you to tell a kid and an adult that they are incapable of love simply because of their age difference? Rape? Gosh it's not rape if both parties are consenting!
You see, the same arguments that gays use to defend gay marriage can be used to defend other perverted lifestyles. Did I say that gay marriage is similar to animal rape or child rape? No, quit trying to put words in my mouth. I said that the arguments are the same -- that the arguments that are used to defend gay marriage can be argued just as validly as if it was beastiality or pedophilia.
You don't like pedophilia? Too bad! Because when the 40yr old men and 10yr old girls who 'love' each other start raising hell and you don't like it they are going to use the same arguments against you that you and homosexuals are using right now to defend gay marriage: "It's not hurting anyone!" "It's all about 'LOVE'." "Who are you to tell us we can't fall in love?" "How does our marriage affect yours? It doesn't, so shutup!"
Again: do I equate gay marriage with beastiality or pedophilia? No, they are different by definition. But the same argument can justify all of them. Therefore, if the courts validate gay marriage on the basis of those arguments, and if those arguments are just as equally valid for other sexual orientations, then why shouldn't the courts validate other sexual orientations as well? Heck, if they don't, then all the liberals will cry "discrimination!" and "inequality!" because one group will get what it wants while another doesn't, even though the reasoning supporting both groups' views are the same.
In light of all this I just can't help but saying again that as much as liberals scream for equality they sure are inconsistent in their application of it.
Religious fanatics and conservatives and republicans are inconsistent. They're arguments are uneducated and based on religious superstition.
Once again you haven't offered any counter-argument and the "argument" that you do offer is really just unjustified statements of your feelings. Once you learn how to actually argue and support your contentions this discussion will continue. Otherwise you're just rambling.
The only one offering unjustified statements is you and all the other homophobes and religious crazies here. Your logic is irrational. You're never straight forward.
do I equate gay marriage with beastiality or pedophilia?
By saying that legalizing gay marriage means that beastiality, pedophilia and polygamy will be legalized as well, you are equating gay marriage with them.
Legalizing gay marriage does not mean that beastiality, pedophilia, and polygamy will be legalized.
Wow you so missed the point. No wonder you say I'm never straight forward -- you can't understand the finer points of my argument. My logic isn't irrational, it's that your intellect is too blunt to understand the finer points of my logic. Seriously, what is so hard to understand about what I'm saying? This is what I'm saying:
Gay marriage, pedophilia, polygamy, and beastiality ARE ALL DIFFERENT. But the arguments that gay marriage proponents are using, those same arguments can be used to justify the other three. The arguments used to justify those different sexual orientations are the same, the sexual orientations themselves are not the same.
Therefore, since the arguments of justification are the same for all of them, it should reasonably follow that, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE DIFFERENT, they should receive equal protection under the law. Because the justification for each of them are the same.
Your arguments are so bass ackwards it's unbelievable. First, you say that my statements are unjustified. But in the second sentence you admit that I used logic! If I was using logic then I must have been trying to justify my statements!
But your "arguments" have been
All statement, no justification. And damn, even if you did try to argue this point it's already a false point to begin with because you made a blanket statement stereotyping millions of people. The chances of your statement being correct are 1 in billions upon billions.
All statement, no justification. You haven't shown any evidence that those millions of people are uneducated and that all of them base their arguments on religious "superstition". Even if you did try to argue that point you'd be trying to argue a false point since there is a damn good chance that at least one of those "religious fanatics, conservatives" or "republicans" is more educated than you.
You haven't provided any justification showing that gay marriage is in no way connected to beastiality and pedophilia. And as a matter of fact, I can prove you wrong right now: Gay marriage involves homosexual acts. Homosexual acts, beastiality, and child rape are all acts of sin according to the Bible. Therefore, sin is a connection between all of them. Therefore, a connection between all of them exists and your statement is disproven.
You say that there are a good number of reasons but state NONE of them. You say that we keep giving people reasons but state NONE of them.
You never justified yourself as to WHY I have it backwards. All statement, no justification. Gosh, if you are so convinced that your view is correct you should have some really good arguments, shouldn't you? But no, instead you give nothing to back your statements up and just keep saying everyone else is wrong, and you don't even say why they're wrong.
I'm not posting here again. You're debate skills are lacking too much to maintain an educated discussion. If you're still in school, please, sincerely, take some debate courses or study some theoretical mathematics. These will go a long way to helping you make better arguments to defend your viewpoints.
Why don't you go take your homophobia somewhere else, like the Middle East where it's legal to kill and torture gays. You'd fit right in there.
Hilton Perez???!!! OMG!! You people are sooo out of touch!
Perez Hilton doensn't represent the gay majority.
Gee, these unprovoked attacks couldn't be openly engineered by the right wing "hatred of the week" campaign, could it?
Of course not. **sarcasm** Republicans are all for everyone's rights as long as it doesn't go against their picture of a "true American".
I don't think so. The rate seems to be higher when the left wing is in charge.
I don't think the GOP would support these kinds of attacks, but these attacks are fueled by hatred from the far right. Individuals feel like the people they hate are getting their "political agendas" furthered because the left is in the White House, so they lash out more.
I didn't think the GOP would send out a racist e-mail depicting our President's race in a racist fashion, but they did. But I agree with the fact that fear is at the root of a lot of hate, and the GOP is definitely intimidated by Obama's presence in the White House.
True.
You know, Obama is about as middle of the road as they come. (No really, he is. Check out records) so if he's "left" to the point of scaring people this badly the "right" SERIOUSLY needs to be tamed.
deporter --
Let's see...the article says the rates when up from 2007 to 2008. When did Obama take office? Oh, right...2009. Care to come up with a new theory on how you can blame this on Obama?
Carianne, who said anything about Obama?
you by implication deporter.. "when the left wing is in charge" Happens to not be true however anyway
deporter -- when you said "left wing is in charge"...who, exactly, did you mean?
Carianne, The democrats took over both houses of Congress in 2006. But, my mine point was how can most of the commenters and the writers of the article blame this on the right wing's reaction to Obama when he wasn't President then. Thank you for making the point for me.
deporter -- Your only point seems to be the one on your head.
Is anyone else getting tired of the "right wing" being blamed for everything in this country. California is one of the most liberal states in the US. Registered Democrats outnumber all other political parties there two to one and they voted against Gay marriage.
I am a republican, I am straight, and I 100% support gay marriage as does most of my Republican friends and family, so please do not paint us all with the same brush stroke. This issue is not just isolated to one party. Please stop being such sheep and think for yourselves. Murder is murder no matter who it is happening to and it is wrong.
rthere -- most of us are well aware that there are moderates in the Republican party...many of them voted for Obama in the last election and believe me, we on the left truly appreciate that. However, you can't deny the fact that nearly all of the hatred and denial of rights for gay people in this country comes from the FAR right side of the aisle. I have many moderate Republican friends who feel the same way you do and I think most of us know that there is a difference. That being said, please forgive us if sometimes we forget to clarify that our views don't reflect on ALL Republicans...I, for one, will try to be better about clarifying my disdain for those on the FAR right...and not for all Republicans.
I am truly shocked at some of the posts I am reading. Every person out there knows, has known or is related to someone who is a member of the GLBT community. You may not have been told of that person's sexual preference, but that doesn't make it any less true. It is not a mental disorder, and the people involved are not any more or less prone to domestic violence than the rest of the community. What have they sown to deserve being beaten or shot, especially a 15-year-old boy?
Holly -- I'm guessing if they haven't been told, it's because those people are too afraid of how these people would react when they found out. I'm not gay and I'd be afraid to have some of the posters on this board living in my neighborhood.
I really wonder what some posters are on a day to day basis in their home town.. maybe they are onr of my nice neighbors... I cannot believe they act in real life as they comment here in anonymity --but what are they really like? DO they sneer at people of color, gays...immigrants?? I wonder
Each killing would have to be investigated to see if they in fact were in some way "biased". I dont think there is to much integrity in the article. Every single killingcannot be described as a "bias" case, thats absurd. We dont know the circumstances of any of them..
When insults and slurs were present at the attacks we can assume hate was involved. But if we didn't have that information I'd agree.
I most certainly oppose violence perpetrated against anyone. That happens to include people whose lifestyles I don't want to understand or like.
My personal motto is a quote by Jimmy Durante: "Why doesn't everybody just leave everyone else the hell alone!"
It's a real shame that it's not enough for people to be ignorant twits, they have to try to use violence as a ploy for everyone to share their ignorance. How insecure in your own sexuality to you have to be to kill somebody just for being gay?
The great irony here is that the ones who get caught for these hate crimes are going to prison, and guess what's gonna happen to them in there? Gay stuff...really gay stuff.
I question this homosexual promoting group who presented this data. I live in a metro area of 3 million and do not recall one incident of a homosexual being attacked. Sounds more like propoganda to me.
You have to listen and be aware of events in order to recall them. You can find the evidence if you want to look, or you can just dismiss it because you don't want to know and don't want to care about gay Americans....
Speaking of which, if it is propaganda, what is being promoted by it? If the violence and discrimination didn't really exist, then there'd be nothing to stop.
mhouse -- I live in a metro area of far less than 3 million and am aware of at least 2 incidents in the last year. So, either you are really lucky, or you aren't paying attention. My guess is that it's the latter.
I guess it just proves that intolerance and ignorance is alive and well in this country. Sad sad sad!!!!
These percentages are inflated to portray bias against individuals,granted there is some bias but some of it is self inflicted,exagerrated,inflated due to duplicating records.The police will not call it a hate crime if it is a domestic,a killing during another felony or a killing of a gay by another gay.Gays are a percentage of the general population,it is only common sense that some gays will die along with the general populace,even gays kill gays,is that a hate crime.The coalitions are just creating statistics to carry their point across,i don't hear the gay coalitions complaining about the increase of homocides of heterosexuals.It is always me,me,me,me.Humans are niether an endangered species or protected species,they are nobody special.They should start thinking about the general populace,not their own damn self.The front of this article has a picture of little Caylee from Florida that was killed by her mother,now who do you think i have any compassion for?????Protect Yourself,nobody protects me,i do.Don't go anywhere where you don't belong,where you're not wanted,where common sense dictates otherwise,ARE YOU STUPID?
It's homicide, Dan, and I think you miss the point of a hate crime. If someone is killed because he is gay, that's a hate crime. If a gay person is killed in a random traffic accident, that is not a hate crime.
Perhaps you can paint a picture of America for us, one that shows where gays "don't belong." I assume we can probably save time by using that same map for blacks and hispanics. and probably liberated women. and the college-educated. and Christians who believe in "love thy neighbor" and "treat others as you would want to be treated." Sounds like all that's left are some creepy, lonely back-woods places....
If that's the case, doug1961, please explain how Jaywalking, Prostitution, or Speeding are "Hate Crimes". LOL
Why, oh why, does someone's LEGAL lifestyle choice offend someone to the point where they are willing to commit murder? It's the height of stupidity. Okay, you don't like the idea of gay sex. SO STOP THINKING ABOUT IT, PERV. Okay, you don't want them to get married. So get the F outta this country because you stand against the priciples this country was founded upon (i.e. equal rights for all). Okay, you don't want your children exposed to homosexuality in the media. Well, show a modicum of strength and restrict what they watch. With a little luck, they'll turn out to be perfect little bigots, too. There! Problem solved. No murder necessary. And as a side note, while you're afraid of Gay Frank down the street and letting your kids around him, don't forget about straight uncle/family friend/teacher.
*principles.
They're just trying to set themselves apart,to be a protected species covered under the law,the Constitution like a religion,a race,a nationality,a creed,a gender,they're not.It's a choice,their choice,if they want to live like that so be it.
So it's a choice Dan? And when did you CHOOSE to be gay?
So basically, you're saying that because they're gay, they should EXPECT people to be violent towards them?? Wow, okay. So how about this one. A lot of people don't like intolerant bigots. But since you have CHOSEN to be that way, you should expect people to punch you in the nuts when they see you?? Right?? I mean, by your logic, that's how the world works.
When did you, Dan, decide to be turned on by girls and not boys? You didn't. It's not a choice. If you look into gender and reproduction, you would quickly find that gender is not as simple as high school biology's XX and XY pairings. Far from it.
lindsay -- can I be first in line?
Dan,
All you are doing is displaying your total ignorance of the subject
Dan, you seem to claim that a) homosexuality is a choice (I assure you, it's not) and b) that, since it's a choice (again, it's actually not), it shouldn't be protected. Honey, religion is a choice (and that's something no one can refute), yet it's protected. So, what say you to that?
Once upon a time there was a fight for civil rights for people with a different skin color. Being gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgendered is not a choice, just like the color of skin you are born with is not a choice. When are people going to understand this? Who in the hell would "choose" to be something that will get them harrassed, chased, beaten, threatened, or potentially killed?? I sure didn't wake up one day and think "Hmm. I think I'll be bisexual today." It is something I have struggled with and hidden for 41 years because of the fear, not of social rejection, but of someone physically hurting me for something I didn't ask to be, besides the fact that it is just one part of who I am and what I contribute to my community. Again, this is a civil rights issue for human beings who deserve it just as much as anyone else in our country who have fought and died for their rights until they finally got them.
I love women and every little hang-up they have,i have gay friends and gay relatives and i love all of them but i don't love their lifestyle and i would resent any attempts to impose that lifestyle or any other lifestyle on me and mine.
My one partner was gay and whenever she got in trouble or got s**tfaced ,she would call me and i went,no matter what i was doing,no matter who i was with,(She was my partner) and i was there for her,unlike her gay friends.She has been dead about 10 years and i still miss her and mourn her.I mourn several of my partners and miss others.Once,i'm your friend,i'm your friend for life,it is you that has to walk away,i never turn my back,it is called loyalty but you probably don't have any conception as to what the term means.
but you probably don't have any conception as to what the term means
Oh please.
i would resent any attempts to impose that lifestyle or any other lifestyle on me and mine
Please tell me what this even means. Serious question.
Dan,
That's like saying a black person wanting equal rights is trying to turn your skin dark brown. My being gay doesn't hurt you. My insisting on equal rights doesn't, either. It's not forcing my "lifestyle" on you. It's insisting you stop infringing on my rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, since I haven't infringed upon yours. And any claims that my taking the equal rights already guaranteed me is somehow infringing on yours are absolutely ridiculous, hold no water, and show just what a convoluted (and wrong) interpretation of our freedoms our oppressors have.
You've been shoving your lifestyle down my throat for years simply by codifying some misguided idea that you're somehow better than I am because you're straight. I, on the other hand, have never denied you any of the rights you enjoy because you're straight, nor have I tried to. So, I'm not forcing anything on you. I'm simply refusing to take your sh*t anymore. If you have a problem with that, perhaps we should engage in a bit of "might is right" settlement of this dispute if you won't listen to reason.
THere is no gay gene,inspite of what you thought,or were led to believe,now people born with both sex organs do need specific help in deciding which way they have to go for their own identity,both psychological and probaly surgery and it probably lingers in their mind afterwards.
THERE IS NO GAY GENE
Just because there isn't a gene for it does not make it voluntary. Do you choose to be stupid? There's no stupid gene. And yet, stupidity abounds.
You Go your way,i go mine,don't impose your thoughts on my family.What's the matter,don't you understand english?
Yes, we can understand English. And for that ability, I thank the U.S military. Ooh wait, some of those soldiers might be gay....better hold back the gratitude until I know for sure.
Dan,
You are only displaying your total ignorance of the subject. Why don't you try to actually learn something, not just what your "heard"!
What i'm saying to you moron (lindsy),be aware of your environment,where you're going,who your with,can you count on them.Evidently damn few people can rely on you.Don't go where you're not wanted,where you don't belong.You being gay,you wouldn't flaunt your wares in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan,we would read about you being executed.It is called using common sense,but you being gaylindsy,you probably don't have any.
Oh come on, Dan, all those gay people you love don't have common sense because they are gay? Is that a choice, too, not having common sense?
Please, Dan, I'd like to hear your response to #20.1. Thanks.
Wow, Dan...I hope all of those gay "friends" of yours don't know you think they are ignorant perverts who choose to be the way they are and, therefore, bring violence upon themselves.
You're disgusting.
I am shocked and sad to hear that crimes against the LGBT community are increasing. I am a member of that community and have been fortunate to come from a loving family that supports me and to surround myself with warm loving friends. I am very proud of the LGBT community and any violence against anyone is a terrifying and worrying situation. That said, I do not believe there should be 'hate crime laws'. EVERY crime is a hate crime. EVERY act of violence is a hate crime. Someone killing a member of my community should be punished as much as a member of any other community. Whether some people want to believe it or not, we are all equal (maybe not under the law, yet) and all have value. I can't say I'm surprised by some of the comments I'm reading on here, there are a lot of ignorant people in the world who use their insecurities to try to act superior to other people. I've heard it all before and I'm sure I will continue to hear it. But I also believe in the basic goodness of humanity, it is a powerful ally and the reason the world hasn't destroyed itself yet. I believe tolerance and understanding towards all should always be a priority and goal for everyone with hate in their heart. And I believe all people will have equal rights under the law very soon.
i was born in the state of washington sixty year ago, as a boy i remember sodomy was twenty years in the in the state prison. the way i see it, to kill should be punishable by death. if a queer rapes and kills a little boy is that any different than some red neck killing a queer,i don,t think so , but if you would like to cut into my freedom, dream on, there is still nothin worse than a lien cheetin queer, if you don,t like weather out side get back inthe closet.
What the hell are you talking about, "cut into my freedom"?
It's too bad that you didn't learn much in those 60 years. Men who rape little boys are pedophiles, who are almost always straight. Normal people--gay and straignt--DO NOT get turned on by pre-pubescent children.
So should men who rape little girls go free? You are an idiot for categorizing homosexuality with pedophilia. I hope you don't have any children, I pity that they had to suffer from your poison.
i was born in the state of washington sixty year ago, as a boy i remember sodomy was twenty years in the in the state prison. the way i see it, to kill should be punishable by death. if a queer rapes and kills a little boy is that any different than some red neck killing a queer,i don,t think so , but if you would like to cut into my freedom, dream on, there is still nothin worse than a lien cheetin queer, if you don,t like weather out side get back inthe closet.
Apparently your grammar hasn't improved in those sixty years and neither has your intelligence. Did you ever even go to school?
jim watson -- sorry to break it to you buddy...but, the weather is changing and if you don't like it, you should probably get back in your trailer.
The people who are commiting these murders should be ashamed and disgusted with themselves. There is absolutely no excuse for what they did. They should all get life in prison.
Thank You Zoe79,what i'm saying is nobody should be on a higher or lower plain than anybody else,no special legislation.I have experienced discrimination because i am white,Italian and Slovenian,Catholic,young,old,married, single,divorced,and one time two weeks after a guy tried to kill me,i saved his life.I ask for no favors,just leave me alone.
I'm glad that you come from a nice loving family,i always teach kids to be respectful of others,that will never change.
It's my opinion that the coalition like any other political group is going to color the issue to lean to their objective,that's how they raise money,how they influence people,how they stir the pot.I would be inclined to believe the FBI and police statistics.Like i said before,just because a gay is killed during a robbery,domestic or any other felony,doesn't make it a hate crime.
lindsay didn't,he didn't learn english until he got his G.E.D.in the military and only lindsay is lacking common sense,but he knows that.